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Title: Proven: Nazi gun law was more liberal than the gun laws in all of Europe today!
Post by: TheoK on April 12, 2010, 11:33:35 AM
 "'---The stabilization of the internal political situation has now allowed a reconsideration of the existing firearms legislation in the direction towards a liberalization, which will benefit the German arms industry without danger to the upholding of public safety. The condition for every relaxation of the applicable weapons law must be that the police authorities might still be in a position to mercilessly prevent elements unreliable and especially enemies of the state from acquiring and keeping weapons. (..)
If the possession of firearms by such persons will be prevented, it is reasonable and appropriate that the citizens faithful to the state should benefit a liberalization of the restrictions that have hitherto existed, as this will not only serve the general public but also the arms industry and its workers and will put them in a better economical situation.'"
'The Reich Weapon Law above all made it easier to purchase guns. A license for purchase was only mandatory for handguns, while long guns could in principle be purchased free.'

http://www.polizei-nrw.de/moenchengladbach/Waffenrecht/article/Historie_des_Waffenrechts.html
Title: Re: Proven: Nazi gun law was more liberal than the gun laws in all of Europe today!
Post by: Parts on April 12, 2010, 12:34:10 PM
Heh but jews can have them now :zoinks:
Title: Re: Proven: Nazi gun law was more liberal than the gun laws in all of Europe today!
Post by: TheoK on April 12, 2010, 12:36:02 PM
Yes, but the thing is that the Nazis trusted the majority of the citizens more than the ones in charge trust the majority today. Says something of how "democratic" Europe is...
Title: Re: Proven: Nazi gun law was more liberal than the gun laws in all of Europe today!
Post by: odeon on April 12, 2010, 01:06:10 PM
Yes, but the thing is that the Nazis trusted the majority of the citizens more than the ones in charge trust the majority today. Says something of how "democratic" Europe is...

Er, no. The basic *philosophy* of the Nazi party was just the opposite--the very idea was to have one leader beyond reproach, beyond question from anyone and certainly the common man, and so the Reich's administrative function was left to the layer below the leader, which usually meant the whims most likely to result in a maximum short-term gain for the decision-maker. The Nazis didn't trust the population at all. Freedom is not measured in guns, never was.
Title: Re: Proven: Nazi gun law was more liberal than the gun laws in all of Europe today!
Post by: TheoK on April 12, 2010, 03:12:18 PM
Guns wouldn't be banned or restricted if the powers-that-be didn't fear them. 100 times more Swedes die from tobacco than from guns, yet anyone who is 18 can buy tobacco without restrictions. Why? Because tobacco is no threat to the powers-that-be.

If our health and security would be their no. 1 objective, they would of course ban things in proportion to what harm they cause, but they don't. They ban or restrict them in proportion to how much tools of power they are.

Freedom isn't measured in guns only, of course.

Title: Re: Proven: Nazi gun law was more liberal than the gun laws in all of Europe today!
Post by: Christopher McCandless on April 12, 2010, 03:22:50 PM
Yes, but the thing is that the Nazis trusted the majority of the citizens more than the ones in charge trust the majority today. Says something of how "democratic" Europe is...

Er, no. The basic *philosophy* of the Nazi party was just the opposite--the very idea was to have one leader beyond reproach, beyond question from anyone and certainly the common man, and so the Reich's administrative function was left to the layer below the leader, which usually meant the whims most likely to result in a maximum short-term gain for the decision-maker. The Nazis didn't trust the population at all. Freedom is not measured in guns, never was.
The majority of Germans were very happy with the system. Little different to Putin's Russia really...
Title: Re: Proven: Nazi gun law was more liberal than the gun laws in all of Europe today!
Post by: TheoK on April 12, 2010, 03:26:22 PM
Yes, but the thing is that the Nazis trusted the majority of the citizens more than the ones in charge trust the majority today. Says something of how "democratic" Europe is...

Er, no. The basic *philosophy* of the Nazi party was just the opposite--the very idea was to have one leader beyond reproach, beyond question from anyone and certainly the common man, and so the Reich's administrative function was left to the layer below the leader, which usually meant the whims most likely to result in a maximum short-term gain for the decision-maker. The Nazis didn't trust the population at all. Freedom is not measured in guns, never was.
The majority of Germans were very happy with the system. Little different to Putin's Russia really...

Yup. The Nazis didn't fear the "average German".  :agreed:
Title: Re: Proven: Nazi gun law was more liberal than the gun laws in all of Europe today!
Post by: odeon on April 12, 2010, 03:49:08 PM
Yes, but the thing is that the Nazis trusted the majority of the citizens more than the ones in charge trust the majority today. Says something of how "democratic" Europe is...

Er, no. The basic *philosophy* of the Nazi party was just the opposite--the very idea was to have one leader beyond reproach, beyond question from anyone and certainly the common man, and so the Reich's administrative function was left to the layer below the leader, which usually meant the whims most likely to result in a maximum short-term gain for the decision-maker. The Nazis didn't trust the population at all. Freedom is not measured in guns, never was.
The majority of Germans were very happy with the system. Little different to Putin's Russia really...

Not with the system. They were happy with their leader. Hitler was clever because he was able to remain above petty national politics and the inevitable blame game. Also, you'd have to remember where they came from. The Weimar Republic was blamed for pretty much everything but the fact is that the (relative) economic upturn that occurred around the time the Nazis came to power would have happened anyway. Hitler never had much to do with it.

Yes, but the thing is that the Nazis trusted the majority of the citizens more than the ones in charge trust the majority today. Says something of how "democratic" Europe is...

Er, no. The basic *philosophy* of the Nazi party was just the opposite--the very idea was to have one leader beyond reproach, beyond question from anyone and certainly the common man, and so the Reich's administrative function was left to the layer below the leader, which usually meant the whims most likely to result in a maximum short-term gain for the decision-maker. The Nazis didn't trust the population at all. Freedom is not measured in guns, never was.
The majority of Germans were very happy with the system. Little different to Putin's Russia really...

Yup. The Nazis didn't fear the "average German".  :agreed:

They made sure they didn't have to. But the average German worried about their thugs.
Title: Re: Proven: Nazi gun law was more liberal than the gun laws in all of Europe today!
Post by: Christopher McCandless on April 12, 2010, 04:21:44 PM
Yes, but the thing is that the Nazis trusted the majority of the citizens more than the ones in charge trust the majority today. Says something of how "democratic" Europe is...

Er, no. The basic *philosophy* of the Nazi party was just the opposite--the very idea was to have one leader beyond reproach, beyond question from anyone and certainly the common man, and so the Reich's administrative function was left to the layer below the leader, which usually meant the whims most likely to result in a maximum short-term gain for the decision-maker. The Nazis didn't trust the population at all. Freedom is not measured in guns, never was.
The majority of Germans were very happy with the system. Little different to Putin's Russia really...

Not with the system. They were happy with their leader. Hitler was clever because he was able to remain above petty national politics and the inevitable blame game. Also, you'd have to remember where they came from. The Weimar Republic was blamed for pretty much everything but the fact is that the (relative) economic upturn that occurred around the time the Nazis came to power would have happened anyway. Hitler never had much to do with it.
Hitler basically built that system though. Asides, I think you don't give him as much credit as he deserves economically, he did manage to employ pretty much everyone.

Putin is more effective though...
Title: Re: Proven: Nazi gun law was more liberal than the gun laws in all of Europe today!
Post by: TheoK on April 12, 2010, 04:27:46 PM
In Russia economic system runs YOU! :bint:
Title: Re: Proven: Nazi gun law was more liberal than the gun laws in all of Europe today!
Post by: Parts on April 12, 2010, 04:37:55 PM
Yes, but the thing is that the Nazis trusted the majority of the citizens more than the ones in charge trust the majority today. Says something of how "democratic" Europe is...

Er, no. The basic *philosophy* of the Nazi party was just the opposite--the very idea was to have one leader beyond reproach, beyond question from anyone and certainly the common man, and so the Reich's administrative function was left to the layer below the leader, which usually meant the whims most likely to result in a maximum short-term gain for the decision-maker. The Nazis didn't trust the population at all. Freedom is not measured in guns, never was.
The majority of Germans were very happy with the system. Little different to Putin's Russia really...

Not with the system. They were happy with their leader. Hitler was clever because he was able to remain above petty national politics and the inevitable blame game. Also, you'd have to remember where they came from. The Weimar Republic was blamed for pretty much everything but the fact is that the (relative) economic upturn that occurred around the time the Nazis came to power would have happened anyway. Hitler never had much to do with it.
Hitler basically built that system though. Asides, I think you don't give him as much credit as he deserves economically, he did manage to employ pretty much everyone.

Putin is more effective though...

That wasn't so much fun when the bombs started raining down on the factories 
Title: Re: Proven: Nazi gun law was more liberal than the gun laws in all of Europe today!
Post by: Christopher McCandless on April 12, 2010, 04:40:49 PM
Yes, but the thing is that the Nazis trusted the majority of the citizens more than the ones in charge trust the majority today. Says something of how "democratic" Europe is...

Er, no. The basic *philosophy* of the Nazi party was just the opposite--the very idea was to have one leader beyond reproach, beyond question from anyone and certainly the common man, and so the Reich's administrative function was left to the layer below the leader, which usually meant the whims most likely to result in a maximum short-term gain for the decision-maker. The Nazis didn't trust the population at all. Freedom is not measured in guns, never was.
The majority of Germans were very happy with the system. Little different to Putin's Russia really...

Not with the system. They were happy with their leader. Hitler was clever because he was able to remain above petty national politics and the inevitable blame game. Also, you'd have to remember where they came from. The Weimar Republic was blamed for pretty much everything but the fact is that the (relative) economic upturn that occurred around the time the Nazis came to power would have happened anyway. Hitler never had much to do with it.
Hitler basically built that system though. Asides, I think you don't give him as much credit as he deserves economically, he did manage to employ pretty much everyone.

Putin is more effective though...

That wasn't so much fun when the bombs started raining down on the factories 
Thats kind of why I think Putin is better. He gets Poles to rain down on the airport instead...
Title: Re: Proven: Nazi gun law was more liberal than the gun laws in all of Europe today!
Post by: Parts on April 12, 2010, 04:51:25 PM
Yes, but the thing is that the Nazis trusted the majority of the citizens more than the ones in charge trust the majority today. Says something of how "democratic" Europe is...

Er, no. The basic *philosophy* of the Nazi party was just the opposite--the very idea was to have one leader beyond reproach, beyond question from anyone and certainly the common man, and so the Reich's administrative function was left to the layer below the leader, which usually meant the whims most likely to result in a maximum short-term gain for the decision-maker. The Nazis didn't trust the population at all. Freedom is not measured in guns, never was.
The majority of Germans were very happy with the system. Little different to Putin's Russia really...

Not with the system. They were happy with their leader. Hitler was clever because he was able to remain above petty national politics and the inevitable blame game. Also, you'd have to remember where they came from. The Weimar Republic was blamed for pretty much everything but the fact is that the (relative) economic upturn that occurred around the time the Nazis came to power would have happened anyway. Hitler never had much to do with it.
Hitler basically built that system though. Asides, I think you don't give him as much credit as he deserves economically, he did manage to employ pretty much everyone.

Putin is more effective though...

That wasn't so much fun when the bombs started raining down on the factories 
Thats kind of why I think Putin is better. He gets Poles to rain down on the airport instead...

I think when it all comes down to it he will be behind that proof of no proof he was KGB and the polish prez was proamerican
Title: Re: Proven: Nazi gun law was more liberal than the gun laws in all of Europe today!
Post by: TheoK on April 12, 2010, 04:57:57 PM
Not sure about that. It looks incredibly suspicious, though.
Title: Re: Proven: Nazi gun law was more liberal than the gun laws in all of Europe today!
Post by: Parts on April 12, 2010, 04:59:48 PM
It was the first thing I thought about
Title: Re: Proven: Nazi gun law was more liberal than the gun laws in all of Europe today!
Post by: Osensitive1 on April 12, 2010, 05:25:37 PM
Employing everyone is made even more effective when the unemployable are deemed as dispensable.
Title: Re: Proven: Nazi gun law was more liberal than the gun laws in all of Europe today!
Post by: punkdrew on April 12, 2010, 11:47:37 PM
The French would have disagreed with you. Esp. after the Nazis went to all the police stations, looked up all the gun owners, and then went and shot them. Not very BRAVE of ze Third Reich!
Title: Re: Proven: Nazi gun law was more liberal than the gun laws in all of Europe today!
Post by: odeon on April 13, 2010, 12:35:58 AM
Yes, but the thing is that the Nazis trusted the majority of the citizens more than the ones in charge trust the majority today. Says something of how "democratic" Europe is...

Er, no. The basic *philosophy* of the Nazi party was just the opposite--the very idea was to have one leader beyond reproach, beyond question from anyone and certainly the common man, and so the Reich's administrative function was left to the layer below the leader, which usually meant the whims most likely to result in a maximum short-term gain for the decision-maker. The Nazis didn't trust the population at all. Freedom is not measured in guns, never was.
The majority of Germans were very happy with the system. Little different to Putin's Russia really...

Not with the system. They were happy with their leader. Hitler was clever because he was able to remain above petty national politics and the inevitable blame game. Also, you'd have to remember where they came from. The Weimar Republic was blamed for pretty much everything but the fact is that the (relative) economic upturn that occurred around the time the Nazis came to power would have happened anyway. Hitler never had much to do with it.
Hitler basically built that system though. Asides, I think you don't give him as much credit as he deserves economically, he did manage to employ pretty much everyone.

Putin is more effective though...

I think you need to check your sources. Hitler's main function was that of an ideologist, not that of a hands-on guy or economist or anything like that. He did not have the background, the education or the interest to be able to change the economy of the country, and he did not participate much in the day-to-day tasks of running it after the Nazis came to power. The party was leader-driven almost from the start but soon after Hitler was appointed chancellor, his position was made absolute, both in the party and in the Reich, and as a consequence, The Third Reich pretty much lacked a long-term plan for its economy, other than to build up the armed forces again. Göring  came to be the man mostly responsible for what plan there was but this lack of a sustainable plan was a source for concern for many in Hitler's original cabinet (most of whom they got rid of, eventually).

The little upturn there was would have happened anyway, in the opinion of quite a few economists familiar with the period, but by the time WW2 started, the country was on its way downhill again, a fact that was recognised by many around Hitler. His one-track mind insisted that the Jews and the bolsheviks were to blame, however, but if he could get rid of them and find Germany some lebensraum everything would somehow magically be all right.

Considering how big a part of Germany's economy the Jews were, once upon a time, it's a bloody miracle he lasted as long as he did.
Title: Re: Proven: Nazi gun law was more liberal than the gun laws in all of Europe today!
Post by: TheoK on April 13, 2010, 01:34:39 AM
The French would have disagreed with you. Esp. after the Nazis went to all the police stations, looked up all the gun owners, and then went and shot them. Not very BRAVE of ze Third Reich!

They did the same in Norway, took the guns that is. Guess what: they couldn't have done it if Norway hadn't had a gun register since about 15 years back.
Title: Re: Proven: Nazi gun law was more liberal than the gun laws in all of Europe today!
Post by: punkdrew on April 13, 2010, 01:58:35 AM
 :yawn: