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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: TheoK on January 21, 2009, 04:04:25 PM
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I found a very good German chemical shop online. There is just one problem. They sell to:
"The Netherlands, Luxemburg, Switzerland, Italy, Czech Republic, Hungary, Belgium, France, Austria, Spain, Slovakia and Poland".
Why don't they sell to Sweden?
1. Because the Germans don't want to do business with Sweden.
2. Because Sweden is a worthless, cowardly piece-of-shit country, that has harsher laws than all above-mentioned countries, of which four even were communist until 1990.
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In Germany itself you just have to fill in a form that you promise not to use the chemicals for illegal purposes.
Fuck Sweden! :finger:
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I'm sure you will find many others. Your country is much more liberal in chemistry than the US
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I'm sure you will find many others. Your country is much more liberal in chemistry than the US
I'll find them, but the mere fact pisses me off.
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In Germany you can also inherit a gun with license - that's impossible in Sweden. If you don't have a license before for a similar gun, you must let the pigs take it and pay you what they think is reasonable (which is too less, of course) and sell or destroy it.
Fuck Sweden2.
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So fucking move and quit whining.
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No. The bureaucrats can move to Russia or North Korea or fucking Iran. They never asked the Swedish people if we wanted these laws.
Even Germany, that is (in)famous for "Ordnung muß sein", has more liberal laws than Sweden.
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Actually they did ask the people. That is how our particular flavour of democracy works.
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Actually they did ask the people. That is how our particular flavour of democracy works.
Stop playing retarded. Did we have a popular vote about the gun law? The legislation about chemicals? The immigration? The drug law?
Why can you buy concentrated mineral acids in all those countries but not here?
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Actually they did ask the people. That is how our particular flavour of democracy works.
Stop playing retarded. Did we have a popular vote about the gun law? The legislation about chemicals? The immigration? The drug law?
Why can you buy concentrated mineral acids in all those countries but not here?
Grow a brain. The Swedish democracy is about electing officials who by that election are granted the power to "speak for us" in the parliamentary process. This includes legislative tasks.
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Actually they did ask the people. That is how our particular flavour of democracy works.
Stop playing retarded. Did we have a popular vote about the gun law? The legislation about chemicals? The immigration? The drug law?
Why can you buy concentrated mineral acids in all those countries but not here?
Grow a brain. The Swedish democracy is about electing officials who by that election are granted the power to "speak for us" in the parliamentary process. This includes legislative tasks.
So they don't have that system in those other countries? Still: why are those acids totally free there? They're even totally free in Denmark.
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Why don't you just admit that Sweden is rigid and fucked up? Look at that melatonin thing: what you can buy totally free in the US and most of Europe needs a special license from a doctor here!
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The Swedish democracy is about electing officials who by that election are granted the power to "speak for us" in the parliamentary process. This includes legislative tasks.
OK. How did they treat Ian Wachtmeister and Bert Karlsson when about 10% of the Swedish people had voted for them to speak for us? The "decent" parties treated them like shit! How do the "decent" parties treat SD and ND in the communes? Like shit. When they do that they show their disrespect for the Swedish people, but, above all: they show that "democracy" is but an empty word to suit their agenda.
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I quote a guy on a Swedish forum on "democracy" btw: "No one has agreed to this system, ever. Johan, Pelle, Karl, Sven, Oskar, Arne, Olof, Niklas and Lisa vote about rape on Lisa between 4 to 6 days a week. Johan, Pelle, Karl, Sven, Oskar, Arne, Olof, Niklas vote for rape on Lisa 6 days a week, while the latter votes against it. In this case "society" is Johan, Pelle, Karl, Sven, Oskar, Arne, Olof, Niklas and Lisa. It's just to grit your teeth, Lisa, because now you have to follow the law. It's dangerous if a group of individuals manage to gain power over a territory and then make the population within it believe that they are both in charge (through democracy) and that the new rulers are moral."
And don't say "Rape is actually illegal" or some bull like that. The principle for "democracy" is exactly the same as above-mentioned.
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And the most shameful of all is that an Aspie pretends not to be aware of the fraud called "democracy".
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Actually they did ask the people. That is how our particular flavour of democracy works.
Stop playing retarded. Did we have a popular vote about the gun law? The legislation about chemicals? The immigration? The drug law?
Why can you buy concentrated mineral acids in all those countries but not here?
Grow a brain. The Swedish democracy is about electing officials who by that election are granted the power to "speak for us" in the parliamentary process. This includes legislative tasks.
So they don't have that system in those other countries? Still: why are those acids totally free there? They're even totally free in Denmark.
I didn't say they don't have that system in other countries, did I? That reading comprehension problem of yours is embarrassing, isn't it?
The elected officials in different countries will mos likely decide differently form each other, depending on their values, political affiliation, etc. Yes, I'm well aware of Sweden usually being more restrictive than others regarding these matters, but that's not what the discussion is about. You want to change it? Vote for someone who shares your views. Try to get others to vote with you. Engage in political discussions, preferably without mentioning how you'd like to kill cops, and DO SOMETHING INSTEAD OF JUST WHINING!
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I voted for Ny Demokrati in 1991. The "decent" parties blocked everything the party stood for. Then the stupid Swedes voted for the same old parties again. It's OK when the "Social Democrats" fuck everything up for 100 years, but a new party trying to change something and failing because of the other parties sabotaging for them gets no second chance. Very intelligent. ::)
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Why don't you just admit that Sweden is rigid and fucked up? Look at that melatonin thing: what you can buy totally free in the US and most of Europe needs a special license from a doctor here!
Because I don't agree that it's fucked up. There are things that aren't right here--I agree with you on melatonin, for example--but that could be said about most countries. We have a reasonably peaceful, civilised country where the likes of you aren't left on the street to die and where we actually do try that concept called democracy. We don't have a gigantic national budget deficit that grows larger for each year passing, and we have been spared wars in modern times. In my book that isn't so bad.
Of course it could be better. Most countries can improve in one area or another. I prefer to work from within the system to effect change, however.
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Why don't you just admit that Sweden is rigid and fucked up? Look at that melatonin thing: what you can buy totally free in the US and most of Europe needs a special license from a doctor here!
Because I don't agree that it's fucked up. There are things that aren't right here--I agree with you on melatonin, for example--but that could be said about most countries. We have a reasonably peaceful, civilised country where the likes of you aren't left on the street to die and where we actually do try that concept called democracy. We don't have a gigantic national budget deficit that grows larger for each year passing, and we have been spared wars in modern times. In my book that isn't so bad.
Of course it could be better. Most countries can improve in one area or another. I prefer to work from within the system to effect change, however.
Like the guy I quoted also said: "You don't reform something fundamentally corrupt; you destroy it".
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The Swedish democracy is about electing officials who by that election are granted the power to "speak for us" in the parliamentary process. This includes legislative tasks.
OK. How did they treat Ian Wachtmeister and Bert Karlsson when about 10% of the Swedish people had voted for them to speak for us? The "decent" parties treated them like shit! How do the "decent" parties treat SD and ND in the communes? Like shit. When they do that they show their disrespect for the Swedish people, but, above all: they show that "democracy" is but an empty word to suit their agenda.
Ny demokrati was treated the way they treated others, pretty much, and pretty much like any other party. As for SD, etc: they are treated far better than they deserve. You'd do well not to lie here; most politicians have treated them with kid gloves instead of arguing against their ideas.
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where the likes of you aren't left on the street to die
What does having disability have to do with dying on the streets? There are several reasons for having disability. Ad hom as usual.
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I quote a guy on a Swedish forum on "democracy" btw: "No one has agreed to this system, ever. Johan, Pelle, Karl, Sven, Oskar, Arne, Olof, Niklas and Lisa vote about rape on Lisa between 4 to 6 days a week. Johan, Pelle, Karl, Sven, Oskar, Arne, Olof, Niklas vote for rape on Lisa 6 days a week, while the latter votes against it. In this case "society" is Johan, Pelle, Karl, Sven, Oskar, Arne, Olof, Niklas and Lisa. It's just to grit your teeth, Lisa, because now you have to follow the law. It's dangerous if a group of individuals manage to gain power over a territory and then make the population within it believe that they are both in charge (through democracy) and that the new rulers are moral."
And don't say "Rape is actually illegal" or some bull like that. The principle for "democracy" is exactly the same as above-mentioned.
Why not? If you are allowed to go off in some Nazi pipe dream, why should I indulge you by playing according to your rules? Rape *is* against the law. There are enough laws to protect us from something like that ever happening. Which you probably know but choose not to acknowledge.
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Ny demokrati was treated the way they treated others, pretty much, and pretty much like any other party. As for SD, etc: they are treated far better than they deserve. You'd do well not to lie here; most politicians have treated them with kid gloves instead of arguing against their ideas.
Ny Demokrati, SD and ND say the truth; the others lie, so what do you mean "better than they deserved"? They are not the liers destroying Sweden by dragging niggers and Arabs here.
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And the most shameful of all is that an Aspie pretends not to be aware of the fraud called "democracy".
I'd explain but obviously there's little point in doing so. ::)
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I voted for Ny Demokrati in 1991. The "decent" parties blocked everything the party stood for. Then the stupid Swedes voted for the same old parties again. It's OK when the "Social Democrats" fuck everything up for 100 years, but a new party trying to change something and failing because of the other parties sabotaging for them gets no second chance. Very intelligent. ::)
I can see why you voted for them, though. You, like them, are quick to blame your shortcomings on anything and everything else.
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Why don't you just admit that Sweden is rigid and fucked up? Look at that melatonin thing: what you can buy totally free in the US and most of Europe needs a special license from a doctor here!
Because I don't agree that it's fucked up. There are things that aren't right here--I agree with you on melatonin, for example--but that could be said about most countries. We have a reasonably peaceful, civilised country where the likes of you aren't left on the street to die and where we actually do try that concept called democracy. We don't have a gigantic national budget deficit that grows larger for each year passing, and we have been spared wars in modern times. In my book that isn't so bad.
Of course it could be better. Most countries can improve in one area or another. I prefer to work from within the system to effect change, however.
Like the guy I quoted also said: "You don't reform something fundamentally corrupt; you destroy it".
He was wrong. He was the corrupt one, though.
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Why not? If you are allowed to go off in some Nazi pipe dream, why should I indulge you by playing according to your rules? Rape *is* against the law. There are enough laws to protect us from something like that ever happening. Which you probably know but choose not to acknowledge.
Oh yes? Rape within the marriage was legal in Sweden until 1965. Check that out if you don't believe me.
And "society" is a constant system for "raping" everyone constantly except the swines on top.
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where the likes of you aren't left on the street to die
What does having disability have to do with dying on the streets? There are several reasons for having disability. Ad hom as usual.
What would you do without disability, lit? Actually work for a living? Participate in society?
You choose to disregard my point. Doesn't mean it isn't valid. But please, prove me wrong and do something useful, for a change.
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Ny demokrati was treated the way they treated others, pretty much, and pretty much like any other party. As for SD, etc: they are treated far better than they deserve. You'd do well not to lie here; most politicians have treated them with kid gloves instead of arguing against their ideas.
Ny Demokrati, SD and ND say the truth; the others lie, so what do you mean "better than they deserved"? They are not the liers destroying Sweden by dragging niggers and Arabs here.
They all contribute to hate and mistrust instead. A society built on fear cannot survive. Have a look at your beloved Nazi Germany.
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where the likes of you aren't left on the street to die
What does having disability have to do with dying on the streets? There are several reasons for having disability. Ad hom as usual.
What would you do without disability, lit? Actually work for a living? Participate in society?
You choose to disregard my point. Doesn't mean it isn't valid. But please, prove me wrong and do something useful, for a change.
Why should I work? To pay for dragging Muslims here and paying the swines ruining our country?
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Ny demokrati was treated the way they treated others, pretty much, and pretty much like any other party. As for SD, etc: they are treated far better than they deserve. You'd do well not to lie here; most politicians have treated them with kid gloves instead of arguing against their ideas.
Ny Demokrati, SD and ND say the truth; the others lie, so what do you mean "better than they deserved"? They are not the liers destroying Sweden by dragging niggers and Arabs here.
They all contribute to hate and mistrust instead. A society built on fear cannot survive. Have a look at your beloved Nazi Germany.
Idiot. The established parties contribute to hate and mistrust by dragging those Somalis, Arabs and Balkan subhumans here. The majority of the people is still stupid enough to think that voting the way they always did will make a change.
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He was wrong. He was the corrupt one, though.
OK. So when did the people give away their right to rule themselves to a government for the first time? Because that's the only way a state could ever be anything but corrupt. Self-deceiving hypocrite.
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And for that Nazi bullshit that you drag up all the time: all states are fascist/communist one way or the other; that's what's makes them states in the first place.
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And - don't talk about being on the side of the weak, when you voted for this government.
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where the likes of you aren't left on the street to die
What does having disability have to do with dying on the streets? There are several reasons for having disability. Ad hom as usual.
What would you do without disability, lit? Actually work for a living? Participate in society?
You choose to disregard my point. Doesn't mean it isn't valid. But please, prove me wrong and do something useful, for a change.
Why should I work? To pay for dragging Muslims here and paying the swines ruining our country?
Because instead of supporting losers such as yourself I'd prefer my money went to those that actually need it.
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Ny demokrati was treated the way they treated others, pretty much, and pretty much like any other party. As for SD, etc: they are treated far better than they deserve. You'd do well not to lie here; most politicians have treated them with kid gloves instead of arguing against their ideas.
Ny Demokrati, SD and ND say the truth; the others lie, so what do you mean "better than they deserved"? They are not the liers destroying Sweden by dragging niggers and Arabs here.
They all contribute to hate and mistrust instead. A society built on fear cannot survive. Have a look at your beloved Nazi Germany.
Idiot. The established parties contribute to hate and mistrust by dragging those Somalis, Arabs and Balkan subhumans here. The majority of the people is still stupid enough to think that voting the way they always did will make a change.
Your beloved Nazi Germany was built on fear and didn't survive. QED. You lose. :hahaha:
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He was wrong. He was the corrupt one, though.
OK. So when did the people give away their right to rule themselves to a government for the first time? Because that's the only way a state could ever be anything but corrupt. Self-deceiving hypocrite.
You did when you accepted the money form the state. Hypocrite. If you don't want anything to do with the state, don't accept their money.
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And for that Nazi bullshit that you drag up all the time: all states are fascist/communist one way or the other; that's what's makes them states in the first place.
You might want to read up on those ideologies. ::)
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where the likes of you aren't left on the street to die
What does having disability have to do with dying on the streets? There are several reasons for having disability. Ad hom as usual.
What would you do without disability, lit? Actually work for a living? Participate in society?
You choose to disregard my point. Doesn't mean it isn't valid. But please, prove me wrong and do something useful, for a change.
Why should I work? To pay for dragging Muslims here and paying the swines ruining our country?
Because instead of supporting losers such as yourself I'd prefer my money went to those that actually need it.
Hahaha, stop paying for fucking Muslims to start with. They cost a hell of a lot more than all Aspies in Sweden together.
And you're the loser, who have so high thoughts about yourself that you can't even admit something you know it's true just because you hates the messenger.
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And - don't talk about being on the side of the weak, when you voted for this government.
Oooh, I'm soooooooo scared now. Would you hold my hand? :hide:
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He was wrong. He was the corrupt one, though.
OK. So when did the people give away their right to rule themselves to a government for the first time? Because that's the only way a state could ever be anything but corrupt. Self-deceiving hypocrite.
You did when you accepted the money form the state. Hypocrite. If you don't want anything to do with the state, don't accept their money.
Idiot. When in history did the people give away their freedoms to the "state"? Never, and you know it.
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And for that Nazi bullshit that you drag up all the time: all states are fascist/communist one way or the other; that's what's makes them states in the first place.
You might want to read up on those ideologies. ::)
All states force their citizen to obey by threats and violence. That's fascist. The individual should also obey majority decisions. That's communist.
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And for that Nazi bullshit that you drag up all the time: all states are fascist/communist one way or the other; that's what's makes them states in the first place.
You might want to read up on those ideologies. ::)
All states force their citizen to obey by threats and violence. That's fascist. The individual can't should also obey majority decisions. That's communist.
Er, no, mainly.
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He was wrong. He was the corrupt one, though.
OK. So when did the people give away their right to rule themselves to a government for the first time? Because that's the only way a state could ever be anything but corrupt. Self-deceiving hypocrite.
You did when you accepted the money form the state. Hypocrite. If you don't want anything to do with the state, don't accept their money.
Idiot. When in history did the people give away their freedoms to the "state"? Never, and you know it.
You did, just as I said. Hypocrite.
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And for that Nazi bullshit that you drag up all the time: all states are fascist/communist one way or the other; that's what's makes them states in the first place.
You might want to read up on those ideologies. ::)
All states force their citizen to obey by threats and violence. That's fascist. The individual can't should also obey majority decisions. That's communist.
Er, no, mainly.
What "no"? What happens if you refuse to obey laws that you never gave your consent to?
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He was wrong. He was the corrupt one, though.
OK. So when did the people give away their right to rule themselves to a government for the first time? Because that's the only way a state could ever be anything but corrupt. Self-deceiving hypocrite.
You did when you accepted the money form the state. Hypocrite. If you don't want anything to do with the state, don't accept their money.
Idiot. When in history did the people give away their freedoms to the "state"? Never, and you know it.
You did, just as I said. Hypocrite.
So the state was founded when I got disability?
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He was wrong. He was the corrupt one, though.
OK. So when did the people give away their right to rule themselves to a government for the first time? Because that's the only way a state could ever be anything but corrupt. Self-deceiving hypocrite.
You did when you accepted the money form the state. Hypocrite. If you don't want anything to do with the state, don't accept their money.
Idiot. When in history did the people give away their freedoms to the "state"? Never, and you know it.
You did, just as I said. Hypocrite.
So the state was founded when I got disability?
Let me know when you are brave enough to say no to disability.
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He was wrong. He was the corrupt one, though.
OK. So when did the people give away their right to rule themselves to a government for the first time? Because that's the only way a state could ever be anything but corrupt. Self-deceiving hypocrite.
You did when you accepted the money form the state. Hypocrite. If you don't want anything to do with the state, don't accept their money.
Idiot. When in history did the people give away their freedoms to the "state"? Never, and you know it.
You did, just as I said. Hypocrite.
So the state was founded when I got disability?
Let me know when you are brave enough to say no to disability.
They owe me that anyway. 1000 kronor for every day I was bullied for 6 years in school makes 1000x200x6=1.2 millions. And that is a low demand for compensation.
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He was wrong. He was the corrupt one, though.
OK. So when did the people give away their right to rule themselves to a government for the first time? Because that's the only way a state could ever be anything but corrupt. Self-deceiving hypocrite.
You did when you accepted the money form the state. Hypocrite. If you don't want anything to do with the state, don't accept their money.
Idiot. When in history did the people give away their freedoms to the "state"? Never, and you know it.
You did, just as I said. Hypocrite.
So the state was founded when I got disability?
Let me know when you are brave enough to say no to disability.
They owe me that anyway. 1000 kronor for every day I was bullied for 6 years in school makes 1000x200x6=1.2 millions. And that is a low demand for compensation.
You owe me more for the bs you store on my server space.
Hypocrite.
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Why don't you just admit that Sweden is rigid and fucked up? Look at that melatonin thing: what you can buy totally free in the US and most of Europe needs a special license from a doctor here!
In the UK, you can import most prescription drugs provided that they're not scheduled (so no Vallium, amphetamine, pure opiates etc) and they're only for your personal use, but melatonin and Viagra are exceptions to that rule, and will be confiscated by customs unless you can produce a prescription; it seems they were singled out largely due to their popularity. That said, I was able to buy melatonin and viagra online without problems; it's just a matter of chance whether the package gets examined or not.
It's also very difficult here, as far as I'm aware, to get hold of a wide range of dangerous and interesting chemicals unless they're part of a product marketed for a specific purpose like drain cleaner, pool treatments, car batteries etc. UK pharmacies sell paracetamol and baby formula, not concentrated mineral acids. The difficulty of obtaining concentrated mineral acids in Sweden and the UK does at least have the benefit of protecting women, since some cultures have a bit of a sweet spot for acid attacks on women when those acids are easy to get hold of.
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He was wrong. He was the corrupt one, though.
OK. So when did the people give away their right to rule themselves to a government for the first time? Because that's the only way a state could ever be anything but corrupt. Self-deceiving hypocrite.
You did when you accepted the money form the state. Hypocrite. If you don't want anything to do with the state, don't accept their money.
Idiot. When in history did the people give away their freedoms to the "state"? Never, and you know it.
You did, just as I said. Hypocrite.
So the state was founded when I got disability?
Let me know when you are brave enough to say no to disability.
Why would be that foolish?
If the state wants us all to work, they should find us good jobs and give them to us. Its not like most of us are refusing.
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Why don't you just admit that Sweden is rigid and fucked up? Look at that melatonin thing: what you can buy totally free in the US and most of Europe needs a special license from a doctor here!
In the UK, you can import most prescription drugs provided that they're not scheduled (so no Vallium, amphetamine, pure opiates etc) and they're only for your personal use, but melatonin and Viagra are exceptions to that rule, and will be confiscated by customs unless you can produce a prescription; it seems they were singled out largely due to their popularity. That said, I was able to buy melatonin and viagra online without problems; it's just a matter of chance whether the package gets examined or not.
It's also very difficult here, as far as I'm aware, to get hold of a wide range of dangerous and interesting chemicals unless they're part of a product marketed for a specific purpose like drain cleaner, pool treatments, car batteries etc. UK pharmacies sell paracetamol and baby formula, not concentrated mineral acids. The difficulty of obtaining concentrated mineral acids in Sweden and the UK does at least have the benefit of protecting women, since some cultures have a bit of a sweet spot for acid attacks on women when those acids are easy to get hold of.
I can tell you a funny story about that. Both nitric and sulphuric acids are free in Denmark, but then some Gypsies bought several litres at a time, so now many stores have a book where the customers have to write down their names. But that wouldn't be possible in Sweden of course.
You can buy hydrochloric acid here, though, so the women aren't safe for acid attacks anyway.
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He was wrong. He was the corrupt one, though.
OK. So when did the people give away their right to rule themselves to a government for the first time? Because that's the only way a state could ever be anything but corrupt. Self-deceiving hypocrite.
You did when you accepted the money form the state. Hypocrite. If you don't want anything to do with the state, don't accept their money.
Idiot. When in history did the people give away their freedoms to the "state"? Never, and you know it.
You did, just as I said. Hypocrite.
So the state was founded when I got disability?
Let me know when you are brave enough to say no to disability.
Why would be that foolish?
If the state wants us all to work, they should find us good jobs and give them to us. Its not like most of us are refusing.
Ahh, you want the state to be your nanny. Well, yes, carry on.
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:thumbdn:
Shutup.
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Who? Me?
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He was wrong. He was the corrupt one, though.
OK. So when did the people give away their right to rule themselves to a government for the first time? Because that's the only way a state could ever be anything but corrupt. Self-deceiving hypocrite.
You did when you accepted the money form the state. Hypocrite. If you don't want anything to do with the state, don't accept their money.
Idiot. When in history did the people give away their freedoms to the "state"? Never, and you know it.
You did, just as I said. Hypocrite.
So the state was founded when I got disability?
Let me know when you are brave enough to say no to disability.
Why would be that foolish?
If the state wants us all to work, they should find us good jobs and give them to us. Its not like most of us are refusing.
Ahh, you want the state to be your nanny. Well, yes, carry on.
No, I want the state to be set up in such a manner that opportunities go to the best and brightest, rather than whose cock someone has sucked. I also want participation in the system to be as voluntary as possible. In short, we should not have to play the NT's silly little games, they can play them and we should be allowed to bypass them.
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:agreed:
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He was wrong. He was the corrupt one, though.
OK. So when did the people give away their right to rule themselves to a government for the first time? Because that's the only way a state could ever be anything but corrupt. Self-deceiving hypocrite.
You did when you accepted the money form the state. Hypocrite. If you don't want anything to do with the state, don't accept their money.
Idiot. When in history did the people give away their freedoms to the "state"? Never, and you know it.
You did, just as I said. Hypocrite.
So the state was founded when I got disability?
Let me know when you are brave enough to say no to disability.
Why would be that foolish?
If the state wants us all to work, they should find us good jobs and give them to us. Its not like most of us are refusing.
Ahh, you want the state to be your nanny. Well, yes, carry on.
No, I want the state to be set up in such a manner that opportunities go to the best and brightest, rather than whose cock someone has sucked. I also want participation in the system to be as voluntary as possible. In short, we should not have to play the NT's silly little games, they can play them and we should be allowed to bypass them.
What makes you think you'd be picked?
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He has the right spirit, at least, while you have the typical Swedish spirit: "It's no idea trying, because it won't succeed anyway." That attitude makes it 100% sure it won't succeed.
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What makes you think I reason like that?
If I want something done, I try to make it happen rather than waiting for others to do it for me. Beats whining about it.
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Why do you say to a young person that you think he has no chance? It's better that he at least tries and maybe fails than that he never tries.
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Why do you say to a young person that you think he has no chance? It's better that he at least tries and maybe fails than that he never tries.
:agreed:
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Why do you say to a young person that you think he has no chance? It's better that he at least tries and maybe fails than that he never tries.
I'm not saying he doesn't have a chance. I'm saying that his ideas are so sweeping that he can't possibly try them as they stand. I'm saying that he needs to have some actual ideas instead of something more akin to "we'll take over the world". Huge difference.
And if you think I'm harsh, it's nothing when compared to the real world out there.
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He was wrong. He was the corrupt one, though.
OK. So when did the people give away their right to rule themselves to a government for the first time? Because that's the only way a state could ever be anything but corrupt. Self-deceiving hypocrite.
You did when you accepted the money form the state. Hypocrite. If you don't want anything to do with the state, don't accept their money.
Idiot. When in history did the people give away their freedoms to the "state"? Never, and you know it.
You did, just as I said. Hypocrite.
So the state was founded when I got disability?
Let me know when you are brave enough to say no to disability.
Why would be that foolish?
If the state wants us all to work, they should find us good jobs and give them to us. Its not like most of us are refusing.
Ahh, you want the state to be your nanny. Well, yes, carry on.
No, I want the state to be set up in such a manner that opportunities go to the best and brightest, rather than whose cock someone has sucked. I also want participation in the system to be as voluntary as possible. In short, we should not have to play the NT's silly little games, they can play them and we should be allowed to bypass them.
What makes you think you'd be picked?
Intellectual meritocracy. I have had the basic state education (no private tuition) and still got top grades in my exams. On paper I would do very well, and any bypassing of the NT's nepotic nonsense is a paper-based system.
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What makes you think you'd be picked?
Intellectual meritocracy. I have had the basic state education (no private tuition) and still got top grades in my exams. On paper I would do very well, and any bypassing of the NT's nepotic nonsense is a paper-based system.
Fair enough, but the "nonsense" is what the majority prefers.
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What makes you think you'd be picked?
Intellectual meritocracy. I have had the basic state education (no private tuition) and still got top grades in my exams. On paper I would do very well, and any bypassing of the NT's nepotic nonsense is a paper-based system.
Fair enough, but the "nonsense" is what the majority prefers.
They have the system in some countries to an extent, its a shame they dislike Foreigners in them. Otherwise I would be seriously looking at becoming a Japanese citizen.
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Why do you say to a young person that you think he has no chance? It's better that he at least tries and maybe fails than that he never tries.
I'm not saying he doesn't have a chance. I'm saying that his ideas are so sweeping that he can't possibly try them as they stand. I'm saying that he needs to have some actual ideas instead of something more akin to "we'll take over the world". Huge difference.
And if you think I'm harsh, it's nothing when compared to the real world out there.
Going any further than being sweeping at this stage would be foolishness. It is very difficult (and pointless) to have concrete plans when there is no movement organised out there that we can use. Once we know what resources we have, then we can actually come up with a full plan, or shall I say strategy.
At the moment there are two objectives really, getting together an ideology together and then getting people to commit to it. Maybe objective number 3 could be partially done at the same time, that is the raising of funds. Though as previously mentioned, I have ideas as to how to do just that.
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Why do you say to a young person that you think he has no chance? It's better that he at least tries and maybe fails than that he never tries.
I'm not saying he doesn't have a chance. I'm saying that his ideas are so sweeping that he can't possibly try them as they stand. I'm saying that he needs to have some actual ideas instead of something more akin to "we'll take over the world". Huge difference.
And if you think I'm harsh, it's nothing when compared to the real world out there.
Going any further than being sweeping at this stage would be foolishness. It is very difficult (and pointless) to have concrete plans when there is no movement organised out there that we can use. Once we know what resources we have, then we can actually come up with a full plan, or shall I say strategy.
At the moment there are two objectives really, getting together an ideology together and then getting people to commit to it. Maybe objective number 3 could be partially done at the same time, that is the raising of funds. Though as previously mentioned, I have ideas as to how to do just that.
The point *here* was for you to regain some of the credibility you might once have had. BUt I guess not, then.
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Going any further than being sweeping at this stage would be foolishness.
No. It really wouldn't. Sweeping plans without substance are just as useless as misdirected details.
It is very difficult (and pointless) to have concrete plans when there is no movement organised out there that we can use.
That's why you fucking make one.
At the moment there are two objectives really, getting together an ideology together and then getting people to commit to it.
And it's working so well for you. Dude, one nutcase as a follower does not a revolution make. You've got all this misdirected energy - better to use it for developing your skills. Or is that what you're doing with all these endless tail-chasing arguments with Odeon etc.? Because the progress is awfully slow - can't you step up the pace?
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Dude, one nutcase as a follower does not a revolution make.
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The US Founding Fathers were probably seen as "nutcases" by the Loyalists, and they'd be hanged if the revolution had failed. We risk nothing as long as we act legally. All you, odeon etc. want to do (at the very most) is to start "support" sites on how to "adapt" ourselves to the jerks in majority.
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Going any further than being sweeping at this stage would be foolishness.
No. It really wouldn't. Sweeping plans without substance are just as useless as misdirected details.
Obviously you have no idea how to play the game then.
It is very difficult (and pointless) to have concrete plans when there is no movement organised out there that we can use.
That's why you fucking make one.
Age tends to be a problem. Though I do have accesss to people, whom I might encourage.
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At the moment there are two objectives really, getting together an ideology together and then getting people to commit to it.
And it's working so well for you. Dude, one nutcase as a follower does not a revolution make. You've got all this misdirected energy - better to use it for developing your skills. Or is that what you're doing with all these endless tail-chasing arguments with Odeon etc.? Because the progress is awfully slow - can't you step up the pace?
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Planning takes a lot of time, I was hoping you would appreciate that. Though I do have more than one person backing me, along with some threatening me.
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The US Founding Fathers were probably seen as "nutcases" by the Loyalists, and they'd be hanged if the revolution had failed. We risk nothing as long as we act legally. All you, odeon etc. want to do (at the very most) is to start "support" sites on how to "adapt" ourselves to the jerks in majority.
It depends on what you want from life, and where your skills lie.
I am not content to fester under the chain of governmental charity while snapping at the hand that feeds me.
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Obviously you have no idea how to play the game then.
Don't even bother with the clumsy sniping.
Planning takes a lot of time, I was hoping you would appreciate that. Though I do have more than one person backing me, along with some threatening me.
It does take a lot of time. But desperation and desire can bring clarity of vision that let you leapfrog over that. All I know is I see a lot of hot air coming from your direction, presented as fact. It's arrogance, pure and simple, and it turns people off, pure and simple, and you either don't seem to see that or don't seem to give a fuck. I don't know what image you have of yourself, but this mad flight into a contradictory facade causes a lot of harm for any good it does you.
(BTW, I wouldn't even engage with you like this if I didn't like you for your drive.)
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The US Founding Fathers were probably seen as "nutcases" by the Loyalists, and they'd be hanged if the revolution had failed. We risk nothing as long as we act legally. All you, odeon etc. want to do (at the very most) is to start "support" sites on how to "adapt" ourselves to the jerks in majority.
It depends on what you want from life, and where your skills lie.
I am not content to fester under the chain of governmental charity while snapping at the hand that feeds me.
We have every right to bite the hand that - reluctantly - feeds us. More than 50% of all Swedish Aspies are unemployed and certainly not due to lack of intelligence. One of my friends has two Master degrees, one from Chalmers technical college, where odeon got his; one of the most prestigious colleges in Sweden, and he still has no job.
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We have every right to bite the hand that - reluctantly - feeds us.
True. But to continually whine about it, while refusing to learn to make something of yourself within the system because it feels like too much of a moral compromise, is cowardice in my opinion.
If you were actually participating in a revolution, I would shut my mouth. But you're sitting on your ass at home and bragging about how you've done nothing for the past ten years.
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We have every right to bite the hand that - reluctantly - feeds us.
True. But to continually whine about it, while refusing to learn to make something of yourself within the system because it feels like too much of a moral compromise, is cowardice in my opinion.
If you were actually participating in a revolution, I would shut my mouth. But you're sitting on your ass at home and bragging about how you've done nothing for the past ten years.
Well, that's not really true, but I've done nothing to help the Aspie cause more than complaining, that's true. I can't make it on my own, and people like odeon would never support a revolution. 1000 Aspies like Hadron and me, with the right equipment, could make a revolution, though.
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What kind of revolution would 1000 aspies make?
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What kind of revolution would 1000 aspies make?
Have you ever seen the, "SOMEBODY, LEAD, FOLLOW OR GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY" duckling poster, with every single ducking facing a different directiond?
I am thinking it would be similalar
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Obviously you have no idea how to play the game then.
Don't even bother with the clumsy sniping.
Sorry I was a bit lacking in sobriety last night. Actually scratch that, I was very lacking.
Planning takes a lot of time, I was hoping you would appreciate that. Though I do have more than one person backing me, along with some threatening me.
It does take a lot of time. But desperation and desire can bring clarity of vision that let you leapfrog over that. All I know is I see a lot of hot air coming from your direction, presented as fact. It's arrogance, pure and simple, and it turns people off, pure and simple, and you either don't seem to see that or don't seem to give a fuck. I don't know what image you have of yourself, but this mad flight into a contradictory facade causes a lot of harm for any good it does you.
(BTW, I wouldn't even engage with you like this if I didn't like you for your drive.)
I certainly have the desire, though desperation is going to take some time yet. One thing is for sure, I don't particularly like the lifestyles that my aspie relatives have. I don't fancy sitting on my deathbed, looking back, and wondering about the life I could have had. Certainly I am prepared to fight as hard as I can to make sure that I get a happy life and if I can't do that, then at least I can have a shot at making sure the next generation of us do.
Yes, I may come across as arrogant on here, I am not even going to deny that. However its the only strategy that I have ever seen work for Aspies in this society. Well success as they measure it anyway.
Frankly I would rather avoid being in charge of such a movement anyway, I would only take the role if there is no-one else. I am hoping that someone else would be driven enough to see past the contradictions and arrogance, then actually set up a movement.
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We have every right to bite the hand that - reluctantly - feeds us.
True. But to continually whine about it, while refusing to learn to make something of yourself within the system because it feels like too much of a moral compromise, is cowardice in my opinion.
If you were actually participating in a revolution, I would shut my mouth. But you're sitting on your ass at home and bragging about how you've done nothing for the past ten years.
Well, that's not really true, but I've done nothing to help the Aspie cause more than complaining, that's true. I can't make it on my own, and people like odeon would never support a revolution. 1000 Aspies like Hadron and me, with the right equipment, could make a revolution, though.
If they respected some sort of authority, then we could do a good job. But as DirtDawg says, it would be problematic. Its kind of why I favour the decentralised approach based around an ideology and play book.
That said, if 1000 of us could work together, we could bring somewhere like Britain to its knees, provided most of the people are committed enough.
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We have every right to bite the hand that - reluctantly - feeds us.
True. But to continually whine about it, while refusing to learn to make something of yourself within the system because it feels like too much of a moral compromise, is cowardice in my opinion.
If you were actually participating in a revolution, I would shut my mouth. But you're sitting on your ass at home and bragging about how you've done nothing for the past ten years.
Well, that's not really true, but I've done nothing to help the Aspie cause more than complaining, that's true. I can't make it on my own, and people like odeon would never support a revolution. 1000 Aspies like Hadron and me, with the right equipment, could make a revolution, though.
I wouldn't support a revolution that promises a bleaker outlook than the one offered by the sitting government.
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Yes, I may come across as arrogant on here, I am not even going to deny that. However its the only strategy that I have ever seen work for Aspies in this society. Well success as they measure it anyway.
But (and I've argued this before) an online aspie forum is a very different society to a bunch of posturing NT's. You keep talking about how well your tactics succeed IRL, whenever they don't work online. But they're different venues; they take different approaches.
Frankly I would rather avoid being in charge of such a movement anyway, I would only take the role if there is no-one else.
:-\ I've taken that approach too. I'm not convinced it was a good idea. I see all these opportunities where I could have changed stuff if I'd been a bit more motivated. But changing things wasn't what I was really interested in doing, I was too caught up in emotional crap.
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Yes, I may come across as arrogant on here, I am not even going to deny that. However its the only strategy that I have ever seen work for Aspies in this society. Well success as they measure it anyway.
But (and I've argued this before) an online aspie forum is a very different society to a bunch of posturing NT's. You keep talking about how well your tactics succeed IRL, whenever they don't work online. But they're different venues; they take different approaches.
The point is that we are not going to run any kind of social revolution over the internet, it has to be done in real life in their world.
Frankly I would rather avoid being in charge of such a movement anyway, I would only take the role if there is no-one else.
:-\ I've taken that approach too. I'm not convinced it was a good idea. I see all these opportunities where I could have changed stuff if I'd been a bit more motivated. But changing things wasn't what I was really interested in doing, I was too caught up in emotional crap.
If no one shows up to run the movement then I will do so myself, reluctantly. Though obviously I would go for a decentralised structure. I do stuff as and when I can, for example I had a lot of fun with NT's bullying a suspected Aspie (it was kind of painfully obvious what they were doing).
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We have every right to bite the hand that - reluctantly - feeds us.
True. But to continually whine about it, while refusing to learn to make something of yourself within the system because it feels like too much of a moral compromise, is cowardice in my opinion.
If you were actually participating in a revolution, I would shut my mouth. But you're sitting on your ass at home and bragging about how you've done nothing for the past ten years.
Well, that's not really true, but I've done nothing to help the Aspie cause more than complaining, that's true. I can't make it on my own, and people like odeon would never support a revolution. 1000 Aspies like Hadron and me, with the right equipment, could make a revolution, though.
I wouldn't support a revolution that promises a bleaker outlook than the one offered by the sitting government.
Neither would I - which is why I would do the job properly. Nor have we decided which country to have our revolution in.
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That's kind of basic, don't you think?
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That's kind of basic, don't you think?
Getting the organisation and revolutionary machine together has to be the first thing. We would then have to figure out which countries situation to take advantage of. Its probably going to be a western nation though...
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That's kind of basic, don't you think?
Getting the organisation and revolutionary machine together has to be the first thing. We would then have to figure out which countries situation to take advantage of. Its probably going to be a western nation though...
You'll just transport the necessary goods to the right country, then?
I wonder if Fidel ever thought of that. :-\
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That's kind of basic, don't you think?
Getting the organisation and revolutionary machine together has to be the first thing. We would then have to figure out which countries situation to take advantage of. Its probably going to be a western nation though...
You'll just transport the necessary goods to the right country, then?
I wonder if Fidel ever thought of that. :-\
Wire Transfer :)