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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Adam on September 21, 2009, 01:27:55 PM
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What do you guys think about this?
I just saw something about it on the news, and at first i thought they meant these kids had actually started hormones or something, but it turns out it was just a 9 yr old and a 12 yr old who'd gone back to school as girls (uniform, longer hair)
i don't see why that's such a problem. obviously age is important with hormone therapy and surgery, but why make a big deal out of them simply living as a girl/boy?
obviously they're gonna experience bullying on some level, but they're gonna get that eventually anyway, and you can say that about alsorts of things. it's no reason to live miserably though
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There are lots of them in Sweden, though here they're usually categorized as emos.
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It's gonna be quite hard for them without hormones though cause they're on the brink of puberty and their bodies will start changing. Are they from the UK?
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yeah it will be difficult, and they almost definitely won't pass as girls. but if they feel more comfrtable that way (and i think the 12 year old is at least definitely old enough to decide that themselves), then I think it's fine. takes a lot of courage though. I wish I'd had the guts to be myself in high school. but at the same time, it would been hell, even worse than it was at the time probably :laugh:
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oh and yeah they are in the UK i think
it was on ch4 news. i will post a link when i can be arsed
my tortoise just peed on my bed :thumbdn:
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You should have toilet trained him :zoinks:
I think it's easier to start being yourself earlier on in life because that way you can build up a strong enough shield whilst still fairly young. I'm still quite worried about how those boys (girls?) will react though when their voices start deepening and such. It might be quite distressing for them. Not to mention kids at that age (12) are fucking immature and will bully them horribly. Still, kudos I guess.
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I think it's okay. As a really small kid I prefered to dress up in women's clothes and I liked to pretend I was a woman, but I grew away from it and instead became a femme guy, sort of. I feel male but not all the way. My brain is definitely female though.
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trans people usually react very badly to those changes in puberty anyway, so i think accepting their gender as they feel it is, could actually make it easier to cope with. especially if they have sensible and supportive parents who can try toprepare them
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trans people usually react very badly to those changes in puberty anyway, so i think accepting their gender as they feel it is, could actually make it easier to cope with. especially if they have sensible and supportive parents who can try toprepare them
What I don't get is that trance for many seem to equal over the top ugly drag. Trance kids are cute. In Thailand it's so common that trance boys have their own toilets in some schools.
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trans people usually react very badly to those changes in puberty anyway, so i think accepting their gender as they feel it is, could actually make it easier to cope with. especially if they have sensible and supportive parents who can try toprepare them
What I don't get is that trance for many seem to equal over the top ugly drag. Trance kids are cute. In Thailand it's so common that trance boys have their own toilets in some schools.
youd like paul okenfold, hes a trance kid.
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trans people usually react very badly to those changes in puberty anyway, so i think accepting their gender as they feel it is, could actually make it easier to cope with. especially if they have sensible and supportive parents who can try toprepare them
What I don't get is that trance for many seem to equal over the top ugly drag. Trance kids are cute. In Thailand it's so common that trance boys have their own toilets in some schools.
youd like paul okenfold, hes a trance kid.
I misspell some words, but I don't care. It's cute to do that.
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trans people usually react very badly to those changes in puberty anyway, so i think accepting their gender as they feel it is, could actually make it easier to cope with. especially if they have sensible and supportive parents who can try toprepare them
What I don't get is that trance for many seem to equal over the top ugly drag. Trance kids are cute. In Thailand it's so common that trance boys have their own toilets in some schools.
youd like paul okenfold, hes a trance kid.
I misspell some words, but I don't care. It's cute to do that.
yeah, you are cute!
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trans people usually react very badly to those changes in puberty anyway, so i think accepting their gender as they feel it is, could actually make it easier to cope with. especially if they have sensible and supportive parents who can try toprepare them
What I don't get is that trance for many seem to equal over the top ugly drag. Trance kids are cute. In Thailand it's so common that trance boys have their own toilets in some schools.
youd like paul okenfold, hes a trance kid.
I misspell some words, but I don't care. It's cute to do that.
Your poor spelling is proof of your inferior genetics and poor upbringing by your failure parents. They couldn't parent you properly and raped you as a child.
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I think his English is good considering he never finished school.
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I think his English is good considering he never finished school.
at first i thought soreiyu was your sidekick
then i thought he was your sockpuppet
now its become apparent that YOU are HIS sidekick. :wanker:
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i think his english is good as well
most people who speak english as their first language don't know any other language
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Who gives a fuck, I'm giving him a taste of his own :laugh:
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What do you guys think about this?
I just saw something about it on the news, and at first i thought they meant these kids had actually started hormones or something, but it turns out it was just a 9 yr old and a 12 yr old who'd gone back to school as girls (uniform, longer hair)
i don't see why that's such a problem. obviously age is important with hormone therapy and surgery, but why make a big deal out of them simply living as a girl/boy?
obviously they're gonna experience bullying on some level, but they're gonna get that eventually anyway, and you can say that about alsorts of things. it's no reason to live miserably though
I did remember seeing a program on television about a transgendered kid, who was born a boy, however identified as a girl. During the school they showed how the kid was starting to live as a girl. We as a society are breaking new ground here by having transgendered childern as opposed to adults.
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What percentage of these kids regret it later in life and then live the life of the gender they were born?
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Happening more here, and it makes sense. Since so many transgender kids already feel not at home in the gender they are born with from very early on. Trans kids can get meds now, to postpone physical puberty. And thus the transformation when they are adult will be easier.
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trans people usually react very badly to those changes in puberty anyway, so i think accepting their gender as they feel it is, could actually make it easier to cope with. especially if they have sensible and supportive parents who can try toprepare them
What I don't get is that trance for many seem to equal over the top ugly drag. Trance kids are cute. In Thailand it's so common that trance boys have their own toilets in some schools.
Isn't that mainly the difference between transsexual and transvestite? With the latter you do see a lot of drag dressing.
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Happening more here, and it makes sense. Since so many transgender kids already feel not at home in the gender they are born with from very early on. Trans kids can get meds now, to postpone physical puberty. And thus the transformation when they are adult will be easier.
That's awesome for them. If I was trans I would feel purified by avoiding puberty and not not getting deep voice, sperm production and body/facial hair which would need to be removed later.
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What percentage of these kids regret it later in life and then live the life of the gender they were born?
i don't have any figures but probably not as many as you'd think. and if they do, then they do. they're not taking hormones or having surgery, so it's not a problem
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I think the parents need shooting. There's no real evidence yet, to say thats why people want to change their gender "cause they were born in the wrong body" Although its probably true. Then again, it could be cause they're mentally ill. Or bullied so much, that they think if they were to change gender, it would be like having a fresh start. He should have to wait till at least 16, maybe 18.
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What percentage of these kids regret it later in life and then live the life of the gender they were born?
i don't have any figures but probably not as many as you'd think. and if they do, then they do. they're not taking hormones or having surgery, so it's not a problem
The problem is that the parents are too weak - they should say no and get them out of fantasy land.
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What percentage of these kids regret it later in life and then live the life of the gender they were born?
i don't have any figures but probably not as many as you'd think. and if they do, then they do. they're not taking hormones or having surgery, so it's not a problem
The problem is that the parents are too weak - they should say no and get them out of fantasy land.
Something we agree on. I think they should only be allowed once they turn 18. Beforehand they should still seek appropriate counselling.
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Your gender is all in your mind. It is something created by society, so it isn't really that important to me. Worrying about what gender role box you fit into isn't really a productive thing to be concerned with... there are a lot of things that are more important in life. I don't understand why people can't be content with what they are born with, as far as genitals go.
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Maybe he just has a tiny penis. But someone should tell him, it will grow for a few more years yet.
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Your gender is all in your mind. It is something created by society, so it isn't really that important to me. Worrying about what gender role box you fit into isn't really a productive thing to be concerned with... there are a lot of things that are more important in life. I don't understand why people can't be content with what they are born with, as far as genitals go.
Thats the thing, why is it mostly about genitals. Why aren't people upset about not having 4 arms or something?
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Your gender is all in your mind. It is something created by society, so it isn't really that important to me. Worrying about what gender role box you fit into isn't really a productive thing to be concerned with... there are a lot of things that are more important in life. I don't understand why people can't be content with what they are born with, as far as genitals go.
Thats the thing, why is it mostly about genitals. Why aren't people upset about not having 4 arms or something?
I want four arms. Would be good for winning any punch up...
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Your gender is all in your mind. It is something created by society, so it isn't really that important to me. Worrying about what gender role box you fit into isn't really a productive thing to be concerned with... there are a lot of things that are more important in life. I don't understand why people can't be content with what they are born with, as far as genitals go.
Thats the thing, why is it mostly about genitals. Why aren't people upset about not having 4 arms or something?
I want four arms. Would be good for winning any punch up...
Doing anything with four arms would be better.
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wow. you should have to wait till you're 18 to dress a certain way or look a certain way? they're doing nothing that can harm their body id done during puberty (hormones etc). and a lot of trans people don't get surgery. it's not all about penis/vagina.
phlexor i hope none of your kids are trans, for there sake.
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wow. you should have to wait till you're 18 to dress a certain way or look a certain way? they're doing nothing that can harm their body id done during puberty (hormones etc). and a lot of trans people don't get surgery. it's not all about penis/vagina.
phlexor i hope none of your kids are trans, for there sake.
No, but they can get emotionally damaged if they really arent trans and they can get a lot of shit from other kids. I don't understand how any parent could allow this.
Kids already have a ton of rules to follow, so who cares about one more.
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and kids sometimes get confused and experiment with their sexuality, if they dont turn out gey though then it's not the end of the world
obviously this is bigger than that, but if they feel this way at the time, let them be themselves
this isn't just one more rule to follow, and especially not once they're 15, 16, 17
you're really saying that if your teenage kid told you they were trans, you'd force them to dress like a boy (if they were physically male) and prevent them doing anything "female"?
adding this "rule" is likely to cause more damage than allowing a kid to be themselves and then finding that they realise they're not trans after all
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and kids sometimes get confused and experiment with their sexuality, if they dont turn out gey though then it's not the end of the world
obviously this is bigger than that, but if they feel this way at the time, let them be themselves
this isn't just one more rule to follow, and especially not once they're 15, 16, 17
you're really saying that if your teenage kid told you they were trans, you'd force them to dress like a boy (if they were physically male) and prevent them doing anything "female"?
adding this "rule" is likely to cause more damage than allowing a kid to be themselves and then finding that they realise they're not trans after all
No, you are just assuming.
One of my kids still wets the bed, do you think he should advertise this to other kids in his school? He already gets bullied enough as it is.
If one of my kids was trans, I'd make them were gender appropriate clothes where needed like school. Any other time they can wear gender neutral clothes. And if they needed to see a therapist because of trans issues, then so be it.
What I wouldn't do it set them up for teasing and bullying. At a young age kids perhaps do not understand the consequences of their decisions, and as their parent, I'm in charge of looking after them in many ways.
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wow. you should have to wait till you're 18 to dress a certain way or look a certain way? they're doing nothing that can harm their body id done during puberty (hormones etc). and a lot of trans people don't get surgery. it's not all about penis/vagina.
phlexor i hope none of your kids are trans, for there sake.
No, but they can get emotionally damaged if they really arent trans and they can get a lot of shit from other kids. I don't understand how any parent could allow this.
Kids already have a ton of rules to follow, so who cares about one more.
Its called being middle class - some middle class parents let their kids do anything. Hence why we get things like anorexia nervosa and a whole host of other psychological conditions which correlate heavily with being middle class. Rather sickening too.
As for making kids dress a certain way, I think there is something called school uniform. Typically used for discipline and maintaining order in the classroom.
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and kids sometimes get confused and experiment with their sexuality, if they dont turn out gey though then it's not the end of the world
obviously this is bigger than that, but if they feel this way at the time, let them be themselves
this isn't just one more rule to follow, and especially not once they're 15, 16, 17
you're really saying that if your teenage kid told you they were trans, you'd force them to dress like a boy (if they were physically male) and prevent them doing anything "female"?
adding this "rule" is likely to cause more damage than allowing a kid to be themselves and then finding that they realise they're not trans after all
Being "trans" is yet another excuse for someone who can't handle life to avoid a few social rules and expectations. Like religion or any other lifestyle choice, if you can get enough gullable morons to agree with you, then it becomes socially acceptable.
There is no evidence whatsoever that being "trans" is a real psychological condition.
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and kids sometimes get confused and experiment with their sexuality, if they dont turn out gey though then it's not the end of the world
obviously this is bigger than that, but if they feel this way at the time, let them be themselves
this isn't just one more rule to follow, and especially not once they're 15, 16, 17
you're really saying that if your teenage kid told you they were trans, you'd force them to dress like a boy (if they were physically male) and prevent them doing anything "female"?
adding this "rule" is likely to cause more damage than allowing a kid to be themselves and then finding that they realise they're not trans after all
Being "trans" is yet another excuse for someone who can't handle life to avoid a few social rules and expectations. Like religion or any other lifestyle choice, if you can get enough gullable morons to agree with you, then it becomes socially acceptable.
There is no evidence whatsoever that being "trans" is a real psychological condition.
What exactly is your onedimensional definition of "life"? Please excuse the irony but "get a haircut and get a job" people like you belong as slaves or in concentration camps. That's all you're good for.
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16 and 17 year olds often don't need to wear uniforms anyway
and uniforms are usually gender-specific, which is worse than bullying for a lot of trans people. forcing 16 year old guy into a skirt just because his birth certificate says Female can cause more problems emotionally than getting teased or bullied (which a lot of kids experience anyway - shall we dye the hair of ginger kids or make our geeky kids hide their interests/abilities?)
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Being "trans" is yet another excuse for someone who can't handle life to avoid a few social rules and expectations.
Example? if anything, you need to handle even more to be yourself when trans, not use it as an excuse to hide from things
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wow. you should have to wait till you're 18 to dress a certain way or look a certain way? they're doing nothing that can harm their body id done during puberty (hormones etc). and a lot of trans people don't get surgery. it's not all about penis/vagina.
phlexor i hope none of your kids are trans, for there sake.
No, but they can get emotionally damaged if they really arent trans and they can get a lot of shit from other kids. I don't understand how any parent could allow this.
Kids already have a ton of rules to follow, so who cares about one more.
Its called being middle class - some middle class parents let their kids do anything. Hence why we get things like anorexia nervosa and a whole host of other psychological conditions which correlate heavily with being middle class. Rather sickening too.
As for making kids dress a certain way, I think there is something called school uniform. Typically used for discipline and maintaining order in the classroom.
I agree that anorexia is just a fake "disorder" for attention seeking spoiled kids, but transgender is different. Some people really feel like they're born the wrong sex.
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16 and 17 year olds often don't need to wear uniforms anyway
and uniforms are usually gender-specific, which is worse than bullying for a lot of trans people. forcing 16 year old guy into a skirt just because his birth certificate says Female can cause more problems emotionally than getting teased or bullied (which a lot of kids experience anyway - shall we dye the hair of ginger kids or make our geeky kids hide their interests/abilities?)
Did you have to wear a skirt in secondary school?
Phlexor that way you're teaching them to be ashamed of themselves and that they must hide who they truly are.
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16 and 17 year olds often don't need to wear uniforms anyway
and uniforms are usually gender-specific, which is worse than bullying for a lot of trans people. forcing 16 year old guy into a skirt just because his birth certificate says Female can cause more problems emotionally than getting teased or bullied (which a lot of kids experience anyway - shall we dye the hair of ginger kids or make our geeky kids hide their interests/abilities?)
Did you have to wear a skirt in secondary school?
Phlexor that way you're teaching them to be ashamed of themselves and that they must hide who they truly are.
agreed. giving in to bullies isn't the way forward. there are other ways of dealing with bullying than just hiding who you are. doing that just turns it into a big dirty secret and is almost like treating them as if they're just a transvestite, rather than accepting them as your son/daughter
and yeah my school had very strict uniform rules and was very old-fashioned about it. we couldn't even wear shorts for PE, had to wear a skirt for that too
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and kids sometimes get confused and experiment with their sexuality, if they dont turn out gey though then it's not the end of the world
obviously this is bigger than that, but if they feel this way at the time, let them be themselves
this isn't just one more rule to follow, and especially not once they're 15, 16, 17
you're really saying that if your teenage kid told you they were trans, you'd force them to dress like a boy (if they were physically male) and prevent them doing anything "female"?
adding this "rule" is likely to cause more damage than allowing a kid to be themselves and then finding that they realise they're not trans after all
Being "trans" is yet another excuse for someone who can't handle life to avoid a few social rules and expectations. Like religion or any other lifestyle choice, if you can get enough gullable morons to agree with you, then it becomes socially acceptable.
There is no evidence whatsoever that being "trans" is a real psychological condition.
What exactly is your onedimensional definition of "life"? Please excuse the irony but "get a haircut and get a job" people like you belong as slaves or in concentration camps. That's all you're good for.
Hang on, I am supposed to spend all my day wanking away, like you do? Give me a break.
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16 and 17 year olds often don't need to wear uniforms anyway
and uniforms are usually gender-specific, which is worse than bullying for a lot of trans people. forcing 16 year old guy into a skirt just because his birth certificate says Female can cause more problems emotionally than getting teased or bullied (which a lot of kids experience anyway - shall we dye the hair of ginger kids or make our geeky kids hide their interests/abilities?)
Perhaps in your country, but here is a different story. Most kids wear school uniforms from primary school (6yo average) to year 12 in high school (18yo average).
And their trans state is undecided until they are mature enough to make a rational decision about it. Plus I never said I'd outright deny any possibility of it towards them. They would just have to understand how the real world works.
And you have to remember that this is all based on me not having to deal with it reality-wise at the moment in my life if ever.
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Being "trans" is yet another excuse for someone who can't handle life to avoid a few social rules and expectations.
Example? if anything, you need to handle even more to be yourself when trans, not use it as an excuse to hide from things
Check out how many people on the spectrum have decided not to have a gender and insist on being "xe". Its like reveling in being a misfit for no good reason, if anything just like anorexia, it is another form of attention seeking.
Asides, I think you should look up Dr Money to see the damage that this nonsense eventually causes.
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16 and 17 year olds often don't need to wear uniforms anyway
and uniforms are usually gender-specific, which is worse than bullying for a lot of trans people. forcing 16 year old guy into a skirt just because his birth certificate says Female can cause more problems emotionally than getting teased or bullied (which a lot of kids experience anyway - shall we dye the hair of ginger kids or make our geeky kids hide their interests/abilities?)
Perhaps in your country, but here is a different story. Most kids wear school uniforms from primary school (6yo average) to year 12 in high school (18yo average).
And their trans state is undecided until they are mature enough to make a rational decision about it. Plus I never said I'd outright deny any possibility of it towards them. They would just have to understand how the real world works.
And you have to remember that this is all based on me not having to deal with it reality-wise at the moment in my life if ever.
That's bollocks though. Almost like the argument against homosexuality "wait till you're older so you can know for sure, it's probably just a stupid phase".
In the UK people have to wear a uniform till they are 16, although some sixth forms also insist on them.
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16 and 17 year olds often don't need to wear uniforms anyway
and uniforms are usually gender-specific, which is worse than bullying for a lot of trans people. forcing 16 year old guy into a skirt just because his birth certificate says Female can cause more problems emotionally than getting teased or bullied (which a lot of kids experience anyway - shall we dye the hair of ginger kids or make our geeky kids hide their interests/abilities?)
Did you have to wear a skirt in secondary school?
Phlexor that way you're teaching them to be ashamed of themselves and that they must hide who they truly are.
No, I'm teaching them that there is no good reason to open yourself up to attack.
As a parent, I set certain rules that my kids have to follow. At least I explain why to them. A lot of parents just say "just do as I say and don't question it".
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16 and 17 year olds often don't need to wear uniforms anyway
and uniforms are usually gender-specific, which is worse than bullying for a lot of trans people. forcing 16 year old guy into a skirt just because his birth certificate says Female can cause more problems emotionally than getting teased or bullied (which a lot of kids experience anyway - shall we dye the hair of ginger kids or make our geeky kids hide their interests/abilities?)
Did you have to wear a skirt in secondary school?
Phlexor that way you're teaching them to be ashamed of themselves and that they must hide who they truly are.
agreed. giving in to bullies isn't the way forward. there are other ways of dealing with bullying than just hiding who you are. doing that just turns it into a big dirty secret and is almost like treating them as if they're just a transvestite, rather than accepting them as your son/daughter
and yeah my school had very strict uniform rules and was very old-fashioned about it. we couldn't even wear shorts for PE, had to wear a skirt for that too
It's healthy to keep certain parts of your life private. You don't always have to be an open book.
I'm not against it.
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It's not like they are hiding a kinky fetish ::) By not allowing them to express themselves fully and stifling an important part of their personality, you would be crippling them really.
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"keep certain parts of yourself private" is not the same as "pretend to be something you're not in every aspect of your life except when you're alone"
and being trans is not about attention-seeking. transvestites might sometimes do it for attention, like some drag queens. but actually being transgendered isn't. what trans people want 99% of the time is just to be able to blend into society as whatever gender they are. yeah i get a lot of dumb comments when people can't tell what sex i am, but i definitely don't ask for that and while i'm not offended by it, i also don't want it
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16 and 17 year olds often don't need to wear uniforms anyway
and uniforms are usually gender-specific, which is worse than bullying for a lot of trans people. forcing 16 year old guy into a skirt just because his birth certificate says Female can cause more problems emotionally than getting teased or bullied (which a lot of kids experience anyway - shall we dye the hair of ginger kids or make our geeky kids hide their interests/abilities?)
Perhaps in your country, but here is a different story. Most kids wear school uniforms from primary school (6yo average) to year 12 in high school (18yo average).
And their trans state is undecided until they are mature enough to make a rational decision about it. Plus I never said I'd outright deny any possibility of it towards them. They would just have to understand how the real world works.
And you have to remember that this is all based on me not having to deal with it reality-wise at the moment in my life if ever.
That's bollocks though. Almost like the argument against homosexuality "wait till you're older so you can know for sure, it's probably just a stupid phase".
In the UK people have to wear a uniform till they are 16, although some sixth forms also insist on them.
Mainly because that can be true, it can be just a normal phase of teenage self discovery and experimentation. I'm not ashamed to admit that I had homosexual sex as a teenager. I know now as an adult that I'm not homosexual.
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16 and 17 year olds often don't need to wear uniforms anyway
and uniforms are usually gender-specific, which is worse than bullying for a lot of trans people. forcing 16 year old guy into a skirt just because his birth certificate says Female can cause more problems emotionally than getting teased or bullied (which a lot of kids experience anyway - shall we dye the hair of ginger kids or make our geeky kids hide their interests/abilities?)
Perhaps in your country, but here is a different story. Most kids wear school uniforms from primary school (6yo average) to year 12 in high school (18yo average).
And their trans state is undecided until they are mature enough to make a rational decision about it. Plus I never said I'd outright deny any possibility of it towards them. They would just have to understand how the real world works.
And you have to remember that this is all based on me not having to deal with it reality-wise at the moment in my life if ever.
That's bollocks though. Almost like the argument against homosexuality "wait till you're older so you can know for sure, it's probably just a stupid phase".
In the UK people have to wear a uniform till they are 16, although some sixth forms also insist on them.
Mainly because that can be true, it can be just a normal phase of teenage self discovery and experimentation. I'm not ashamed to admit that I had homosexual sex as a teenager. I know now as an adult that I'm not homosexual.
so is it really that terrible that you fucked a guy but now realise you're straight?
and being attracted to someone of the same sex is normal for a straight person when they're still growing up. it's rare that a non-trans person will feel this strongly that they're transgendered though, to the point where they'll start living their life as another gender. so the chances of them suddenly thinking "hey, i'm a man after all!" aren't that big
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I'm not changing my mind on this. And as a parent, I never said I would never accept them.
Before having kids, I might have had the same opinion as you, but after, everything is different.
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16 and 17 year olds often don't need to wear uniforms anyway
and uniforms are usually gender-specific, which is worse than bullying for a lot of trans people. forcing 16 year old guy into a skirt just because his birth certificate says Female can cause more problems emotionally than getting teased or bullied (which a lot of kids experience anyway - shall we dye the hair of ginger kids or make our geeky kids hide their interests/abilities?)
Perhaps in your country, but here is a different story. Most kids wear school uniforms from primary school (6yo average) to year 12 in high school (18yo average).
And their trans state is undecided until they are mature enough to make a rational decision about it. Plus I never said I'd outright deny any possibility of it towards them. They would just have to understand how the real world works.
And you have to remember that this is all based on me not having to deal with it reality-wise at the moment in my life if ever.
That's bollocks though. Almost like the argument against homosexuality "wait till you're older so you can know for sure, it's probably just a stupid phase".
In the UK people have to wear a uniform till they are 16, although some sixth forms also insist on them.
Mainly because that can be true, it can be just a normal phase of teenage self discovery and experimentation. I'm not ashamed to admit that I had homosexual sex as a teenager. I know now as an adult that I'm not homosexual.
so is it really that terrible that you fucked a guy but now realise you're straight?
and being attracted to someone of the same sex is normal for a straight person when they're still growing up. it's rare that a non-trans person will feel this strongly that they're transgendered though, to the point where they'll start living their life as another gender. so the chances of them suddenly thinking "hey, i'm a man after all!" aren't that big
I never said it was a terrible thing. If I had of broadcast that fact while in highschool, it would have been a big mistake. It was a private matter. Now as an adult there is no harm or risk in revealing it.
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"keep certain parts of yourself private" is not the same as "pretend to be something you're not in every aspect of your life except when you're alone"
and being trans is not about attention-seeking. transvestites might sometimes do it for attention, like some drag queens. but actually being transgendered isn't. what trans people want 99% of the time is just to be able to blend into society as whatever gender they are. yeah i get a lot of dumb comments when people can't tell what sex i am, but i definitely don't ask for that and while i'm not offended by it, i also don't want it
No, what they want is to change the social contract for themselves, like any other grouping which has decided they are special. Its ridiculous.
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^Maybe you would accept them but you wouldn't let them accept themselves.
16 and 17 year olds often don't need to wear uniforms anyway
and uniforms are usually gender-specific, which is worse than bullying for a lot of trans people. forcing 16 year old guy into a skirt just because his birth certificate says Female can cause more problems emotionally than getting teased or bullied (which a lot of kids experience anyway - shall we dye the hair of ginger kids or make our geeky kids hide their interests/abilities?)
Perhaps in your country, but here is a different story. Most kids wear school uniforms from primary school (6yo average) to year 12 in high school (18yo average).
And their trans state is undecided until they are mature enough to make a rational decision about it. Plus I never said I'd outright deny any possibility of it towards them. They would just have to understand how the real world works.
And you have to remember that this is all based on me not having to deal with it reality-wise at the moment in my life if ever.
That's bollocks though. Almost like the argument against homosexuality "wait till you're older so you can know for sure, it's probably just a stupid phase".
In the UK people have to wear a uniform till they are 16, although some sixth forms also insist on them.
Mainly because that can be true, it can be just a normal phase of teenage self discovery and experimentation. I'm not ashamed to admit that I had homosexual sex as a teenager. I know now as an adult that I'm not homosexual.
Don't you understand though how degrading almost it can be for someone to dismiss such an important part of someone's self-discovery as a "stupid phase"? I doubt most people who are transgender or gay just suddenly wake up one morning and decide to be either for the fun of it.
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"keep certain parts of yourself private" is not the same as "pretend to be something you're not in every aspect of your life except when you're alone"
and being trans is not about attention-seeking. transvestites might sometimes do it for attention, like some drag queens. but actually being transgendered isn't. what trans people want 99% of the time is just to be able to blend into society as whatever gender they are. yeah i get a lot of dumb comments when people can't tell what sex i am, but i definitely don't ask for that and while i'm not offended by it, i also don't want it
No, what they want is to change the social contract for themselves, like any other grouping which has decided they are special. Its ridiculous.
hmm... wrong. you think you know what transgendered people want more than someone who is trans themselves? we don't want to be special. we want the opposite, if anything. it's everyone else that treats me differently, not myself. i just see myself as any other person and would rather be treated as such.
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^Maybe you would accept them but you wouldn't let them accept themselves.
16 and 17 year olds often don't need to wear uniforms anyway
and uniforms are usually gender-specific, which is worse than bullying for a lot of trans people. forcing 16 year old guy into a skirt just because his birth certificate says Female can cause more problems emotionally than getting teased or bullied (which a lot of kids experience anyway - shall we dye the hair of ginger kids or make our geeky kids hide their interests/abilities?)
Perhaps in your country, but here is a different story. Most kids wear school uniforms from primary school (6yo average) to year 12 in high school (18yo average).
And their trans state is undecided until they are mature enough to make a rational decision about it. Plus I never said I'd outright deny any possibility of it towards them. They would just have to understand how the real world works.
And you have to remember that this is all based on me not having to deal with it reality-wise at the moment in my life if ever.
That's bollocks though. Almost like the argument against homosexuality "wait till you're older so you can know for sure, it's probably just a stupid phase".
In the UK people have to wear a uniform till they are 16, although some sixth forms also insist on them.
Mainly because that can be true, it can be just a normal phase of teenage self discovery and experimentation. I'm not ashamed to admit that I had homosexual sex as a teenager. I know now as an adult that I'm not homosexual.
Don't you understand though how degrading almost it can be for someone to dismiss such an important part of someone's self-discovery as a "stupid phase"? I doubt most people who are transgender or gay just suddenly wake up one morning and decide to be either for the fun of it.
You're putting words into my mouth again. I never referred to it as a stupid phase.
This whole thing is typical of people who don't have any kids of their own.
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i might not have my own children, but i am transgendered and hav experienced this myself
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Oh yeah cause as a parent you know much better than anyone else right? Maybe you should try being a kid again.
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"keep certain parts of yourself private" is not the same as "pretend to be something you're not in every aspect of your life except when you're alone"
and being trans is not about attention-seeking. transvestites might sometimes do it for attention, like some drag queens. but actually being transgendered isn't. what trans people want 99% of the time is just to be able to blend into society as whatever gender they are. yeah i get a lot of dumb comments when people can't tell what sex i am, but i definitely don't ask for that and while i'm not offended by it, i also don't want it
No, what they want is to change the social contract for themselves, like any other grouping which has decided they are special. Its ridiculous.
hmm... wrong. you think you know what transgendered people want more than someone who is trans themselves? we don't want to be special. we want the opposite, if anything. it's everyone else that treats me differently, not myself. i just see myself as any other person and would rather be treated as such.
In the same way someone who isn't anorexic knows they should eat food. Most men accept the fact they have a dick, most women accept they have boobs. Of course, some have to be awkward and buck the trend for no good reason. Its not like you are Caster Semenya.
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Oh yeah cause as a parent you know much better than anyone else right? Maybe you should try being a kid again.
As someone with AS, part of my personality is mature and other parts arn't. I haven't forget what It's like to be a kid. But as a parent, I've realised that some thing I hated as a child were for my own good and I take the time to explain that to my kids. I also tell them that I know they feel it unfair.
Being a parent full time is never over. I'm going to be raising kids under the age of 18 for 32 years if we don't have any more. The buck stops with me. It's not like baby sitting where you get to hand them back.
But one thing, I do know better than anyone else how to raise MY kids.
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"keep certain parts of yourself private" is not the same as "pretend to be something you're not in every aspect of your life except when you're alone"
and being trans is not about attention-seeking. transvestites might sometimes do it for attention, like some drag queens. but actually being transgendered isn't. what trans people want 99% of the time is just to be able to blend into society as whatever gender they are. yeah i get a lot of dumb comments when people can't tell what sex i am, but i definitely don't ask for that and while i'm not offended by it, i also don't want it
No, what they want is to change the social contract for themselves, like any other grouping which has decided they are special. Its ridiculous.
hmm... wrong. you think you know what transgendered people want more than someone who is trans themselves? we don't want to be special. we want the opposite, if anything. it's everyone else that treats me differently, not myself. i just see myself as any other person and would rather be treated as such.
In the same way someone who isn't anorexic knows they should eat food. Most men accept the fact they have a dick, most women accept they have boobs. Of course, some have to be awkward and buck the trend for no good reason. Its not like you are Caster Semenya.
what? I don't think you really understand what being transgendered is. And you make a lot of assumptions about me. You don't know the first thing about me here, other than that I'm trans
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But one thing, I do know better than anyone else how to raise MY kids.
A lot of parents say that and look how many of them end up fucking their kids up. Not suggesting you will though.
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"keep certain parts of yourself private" is not the same as "pretend to be something you're not in every aspect of your life except when you're alone"
and being trans is not about attention-seeking. transvestites might sometimes do it for attention, like some drag queens. but actually being transgendered isn't. what trans people want 99% of the time is just to be able to blend into society as whatever gender they are. yeah i get a lot of dumb comments when people can't tell what sex i am, but i definitely don't ask for that and while i'm not offended by it, i also don't want it
No, what they want is to change the social contract for themselves, like any other grouping which has decided they are special. Its ridiculous.
hmm... wrong. you think you know what transgendered people want more than someone who is trans themselves? we don't want to be special. we want the opposite, if anything. it's everyone else that treats me differently, not myself. i just see myself as any other person and would rather be treated as such.
In the same way someone who isn't anorexic knows they should eat food. Most men accept the fact they have a dick, most women accept they have boobs. Of course, some have to be awkward and buck the trend for no good reason. Its not like you are Caster Semenya.
what? I don't think you really understand what being transgendered is. And you make a lot of assumptions about me. You don't know the first thing about me here, other than that I'm trans
You have posted enough, its not that difficult to figure it out. Asides, being transgendered is another thing people have invented and letting 9 yo's do it is just disgusting tbh. FFS, they still believe in the tooth fairy and santa in most cases at that age.
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also there's no perfect way to raise your kids. even good parents will get things wrong, especially regarding things they don't fully understand
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FFS, they still believe in the tooth fairy and santa in most cases at that age.
why do you have such a problem with people being trans/gay/bi?
i'm pretty sure you've been asked this numerous times on here, but you've never actually demonstrated HOW exactly they affect you at all
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and kids sometimes get confused and experiment with their sexuality, if they dont turn out gey though then it's not the end of the world
obviously this is bigger than that, but if they feel this way at the time, let them be themselves
this isn't just one more rule to follow, and especially not once they're 15, 16, 17
you're really saying that if your teenage kid told you they were trans, you'd force them to dress like a boy (if they were physically male) and prevent them doing anything "female"?
adding this "rule" is likely to cause more damage than allowing a kid to be themselves and then finding that they realise they're not trans after all
Being "trans" is yet another excuse for someone who can't handle life to avoid a few social rules and expectations. Like religion or any other lifestyle choice, if you can get enough gullable morons to agree with you, then it becomes socially acceptable.
There is no evidence whatsoever that being "trans" is a real psychological condition.
What exactly is your onedimensional definition of "life"? Please excuse the irony but "get a haircut and get a job" people like you belong as slaves or in concentration camps. That's all you're good for.
Hang on, I am supposed to spend all my day wanking away, like you do? Give me a break.
That didn't answer anything. You lash out against trans people and others, but you still haven't given your definition on "life".
You are NT right?
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:lol:
That should be Soleiyu's custom title, "Are you NT?"
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FFS, they still believe in the tooth fairy and santa in most cases at that age.
why do you have such a problem with people being trans/gay/bi?
i'm pretty sure you've been asked this numerous times on here, but you've never actually demonstrated HOW exactly they affect you at all
I have a problem with all lifestyle choices getting special priveleges, whilst people on the spectrum are getting fucked over big time over things actually out of our control. I think I have been pretty clear about this in the past.
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FFS, they still believe in the tooth fairy and santa in most cases at that age.
why do you have such a problem with people being trans/gay/bi?
i'm pretty sure you've been asked this numerous times on here, but you've never actually demonstrated HOW exactly they affect you at all
I have a problem with all lifestyle choices getting special priveleges, whilst people on the spectrum are getting fucked over big time over things actually out of our control. I think I have been pretty clear about this in the past.
You are among the ones who fuck people on the spectrum over with your narrow-minded view on lifestyle and work. Everyone with AS can't work, for example. It's completely individual and depends on how your life situation looks. Everyone can't change their situation, so everyone can't work.
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Does anyone else find it equally hilarious to see Soleiyu preach to someone about being narrow-minded? :orly:
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FFS, they still believe in the tooth fairy and santa in most cases at that age.
why do you have such a problem with people being trans/gay/bi?
i'm pretty sure you've been asked this numerous times on here, but you've never actually demonstrated HOW exactly they affect you at all
I have a problem with all lifestyle choices getting special priveleges, whilst people on the spectrum are getting fucked over big time over things actually out of our control. I think I have been pretty clear about this in the past.
You are among the ones who fuck people on the spectrum over with your narrow-minded view on lifestyle and work. Everyone with AS can't work, for example. It's completely individual and depends on how your life situation looks. Everyone can't change their situation, so everyone can't work.
Erm, lets check out some statistics:
- 15% of HFA / AS people are in full time employment
- Most people on the spectrum when asked what would make a biggest improvement in their lives, said "a job"
- The next thing they wanted was proper support.
What I advocate is that we get a fair set of opportunities and treatment, like the vast majority of people on the spectrum want. Though of course you have to be a rebel and be Pete Burns, dont you?
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FFS, they still believe in the tooth fairy and santa in most cases at that age.
why do you have such a problem with people being trans/gay/bi?
i'm pretty sure you've been asked this numerous times on here, but you've never actually demonstrated HOW exactly they affect you at all
I have a problem with all lifestyle choices getting special priveleges, whilst people on the spectrum are getting fucked over big time over things actually out of our control. I think I have been pretty clear about this in the past.
You are among the ones who fuck people on the spectrum over with your narrow-minded view on lifestyle and work. Everyone with AS can't work, for example. It's completely individual and depends on how your life situation looks. Everyone can't change their situation, so everyone can't work.
Erm, lets check out some statistics:
- 15% of HFA / AS people are in full time employment
- Most people on the spectrum when asked what would make a biggest improvement in their lives, said "a job"
- The next thing they wanted was proper support.
What I advocate is that we get a fair set of opportunities and treatment, like the vast majority of people on the spectrum want. Though of course you have to be a rebel and be Pete Burns, dont you?
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I would like to just disappear into a fantasy world forever, that would make the biggest change to my life. Even if I had a job it would just serve as an excuse to daydream. Wherever I go, whatever I do, I daydream. A job for me would just be about finding the little moments and achieving a meditative state of mind, just like school was. I drifted off into my fantasies while waiting for the bus, I dreamed myself away in the late afternoon or the setting sun, on a rainy day I could be alone in the library imagining things etc... That's what reality is to me.
A job would just be a way of doing something actively while daydreaming. I can never be "there" the way others are, I'm too introverted.
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"keep certain parts of yourself private" is not the same as "pretend to be something you're not in every aspect of your life except when you're alone"
and being trans is not about attention-seeking. transvestites might sometimes do it for attention, like some drag queens. but actually being transgendered isn't. what trans people want 99% of the time is just to be able to blend into society as whatever gender they are. yeah i get a lot of dumb comments when people can't tell what sex i am, but i definitely don't ask for that and while i'm not offended by it, i also don't want it
No, what they want is to change the social contract for themselves, like any other grouping which has decided they are special. Its ridiculous.
Hadron, I get the idea that you think that anything that you cannot see as a true diversity is not true, except AS.
There are so many ways in which people end up different than the 'normal' order. And often from childhood on, ingrained in the brain.
With gay people, there is often a difference in the brain. That is not social, it's there.
And there is research about transgender and brains too.
It is not only AS that has a basis in a different make-up.
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yeah, i can look back on when i was a kid (very young, not like 12 or something) and see now that it was because i'm trans. obviously i didn't think that at the time, because i didn't even know what "transgendered" was, but it's been there as long as i can remember.
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And you were probably bullied for not being the girl you ought to be, despite the skirts.
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And you were probably bullied for not being the girl you ought to be, despite the skirts.
lol yeah
although I can't tell how much of the shit I got in school was for the AS though, as I did try and hide my gender a hell of a lot. probably one of the main reasons I got depressed. again, it's difficult to tell when you have more than one big problem. which was the main cause: undiagnosed AS or hiding being trans?
maybe I should just stop thinking about high school altogether? I just get myself in a bad mood :lol:
btw, I do get quite a bit of crap now that I'm just being myself (awkward situations can arise as I'm technically on the records as female etc etc), but none of that is half as bad as the stuff you'd have to go through knowing and accepting you're trans, but still having to force yourself to live as a guy/girl. that's probably way worse than being in denial about it like i was. which is one reason I'd never want to force a trans teenager to hide it. I'd want to support them in every other way I could obviously, but not encourage them to hide it.
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"keep certain parts of yourself private" is not the same as "pretend to be something you're not in every aspect of your life except when you're alone"
and being trans is not about attention-seeking. transvestites might sometimes do it for attention, like some drag queens. but actually being transgendered isn't. what trans people want 99% of the time is just to be able to blend into society as whatever gender they are. yeah i get a lot of dumb comments when people can't tell what sex i am, but i definitely don't ask for that and while i'm not offended by it, i also don't want it
No, what they want is to change the social contract for themselves, like any other grouping which has decided they are special. Its ridiculous.
Hadron, I get the idea that you think that anything that you cannot see as a true diversity is not true, except AS.
Not at all true - I object to people demanding frivolities at our expense. Gay rights essentially is about the right to dress up silly, as is religion (+ the additional silly rituals we are supposed to accept). In any case, its not difficult at all for either group to conform, there is no meaningful scientific evidence beyond either case being a lifestyle case.
Whilst in the meantime, basically for the above rights, we are being denied the most basic of rights. How is that fair?
There are so many ways in which people end up different than the 'normal' order. And often from childhood on, ingrained in the brain.
With gay people, there is often a difference in the brain. That is not social, it's there.
And there is research about transgender and brains too.
It is not only AS that has a basis in a different make-up.
AS has a clearly proven basis in make-up. On the other hand, gay + transgender issues have no scientific basis whatsoever, along with religious nonsense.
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wow you are a fucking idiot (not that I didn't already know this)
Gay right about dressing up silly? doesn't everybody already have the right to dress up silly?
Gay rights is about marriage/adoption/not getting fired for being gay etc. Most of these thigns have been sorted out over the last decade or so in this country yes (down t the Labour govt I might add, fuck all the conservatives ever did for gay/trans people, surprise surprise), but homophobia is still a massive problem in this society, and in plenty of american states, gay people are still denied a lot of rights
and (again, I've asked you this before but you've consistently failed to give a proper answer), how does gay rights affect autistic rights? what rights are we denied as aspies? (at least, that gay rights is to blame for)
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wow you are a fucking idiot (not that I didn't already know this)
Oh - so anyone who disagrees with your Stonewall card-carrying nonsense is an idiot now. LOL.
Gay right about dressing up silly? doesn't everybody already have the right to dress up silly?
Gay rights is about marriage/adoption/not getting fired for being gay etc. Most of these thigns have been sorted out over the last decade or so in this country yes (down t the Labour govt I might add, fuck all the conservatives ever did for gay/trans people, surprise surprise), but homophobia is still a massive problem in this society, and in plenty of american states, gay people are still denied a lot of rights
People can only discriminate if they know about it - its pretty easy to hide tbh. As for home life, most employers don't give a shit. Asides, you have gotten all that you have wanted and need + extra from the Labour government, now it would be really nice if you could quit whining. But no, you now want to delude 9-yo's into thinking they are transgendered and screw them up.
and (again, I've asked you this before but you've consistently failed to give a proper answer), how does gay rights affect autistic rights? what rights are we denied as aspies? (at least, that gay rights is to blame for)
As I have explained endless times, the airtime given to this gay rights nonsense (which is what the list of demands now adds up to - what is it, blood transfusions and semantics they are now after) is damaging more legitmate causes. Not to mention thedamage that lots of people on the spectrum deciding they think that they are gay does to the cause. Its not difficult to see.
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http://etransgender.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=510
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wow you are a fucking idiot (not that I didn't already know this)
Oh - so anyone who disagrees with your Stonewall card-carrying nonsense is an idiot now. LOL.
Gay right about dressing up silly? doesn't everybody already have the right to dress up silly?
Gay rights is about marriage/adoption/not getting fired for being gay etc. Most of these thigns have been sorted out over the last decade or so in this country yes (down t the Labour govt I might add, fuck all the conservatives ever did for gay/trans people, surprise surprise), but homophobia is still a massive problem in this society, and in plenty of american states, gay people are still denied a lot of rights
People can only discriminate if they know about it - its pretty easy to hide tbh. As for home life, most employers don't give a shit. Asides, you have gotten all that you have wanted and need + extra from the Labour government, now it would be really nice if you could quit whining. But no, you now want to delude 9-yo's into thinking they are transgendered and screw them up.
and (again, I've asked you this before but you've consistently failed to give a proper answer), how does gay rights affect autistic rights? what rights are we denied as aspies? (at least, that gay rights is to blame for)
As I have explained endless times, the airtime given to this gay rights nonsense (which is what the list of demands now adds up to - what is it, blood transfusions and semantics they are now after) is damaging more legitmate causes. Not to mention thedamage that lots of people on the spectrum deciding they think that they are gay does to the cause. Its not difficult to see.
You really are a dry, boring, uncharismatic, onedimensional fucktard. Gay rights is first and foremost about not having to hide things without risking being disciminated against or subject to violence. If people can have open straight relationships and bring their wife/man to the business parties, the same should go for gay people.
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http://etransgender.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=510
In addition, the study remains to be replicated by other researchers, which will not be easy. It was performed by dissecting the autopsied brains of transsexuals, homosexual men, heterosexual men and heterosexual women. Because transsexuality is rare, it took the scientists 11 years to collect six transsexual brains.
Hardly conclusive evidence, far from it in fact.
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wow you are a fucking idiot (not that I didn't already know this)
Oh - so anyone who disagrees with your Stonewall card-carrying nonsense is an idiot now. LOL.
Gay right about dressing up silly? doesn't everybody already have the right to dress up silly?
Gay rights is about marriage/adoption/not getting fired for being gay etc. Most of these thigns have been sorted out over the last decade or so in this country yes (down t the Labour govt I might add, fuck all the conservatives ever did for gay/trans people, surprise surprise), but homophobia is still a massive problem in this society, and in plenty of american states, gay people are still denied a lot of rights
People can only discriminate if they know about it - its pretty easy to hide tbh. As for home life, most employers don't give a shit. Asides, you have gotten all that you have wanted and need + extra from the Labour government, now it would be really nice if you could quit whining. But no, you now want to delude 9-yo's into thinking they are transgendered and screw them up.
and (again, I've asked you this before but you've consistently failed to give a proper answer), how does gay rights affect autistic rights? what rights are we denied as aspies? (at least, that gay rights is to blame for)
As I have explained endless times, the airtime given to this gay rights nonsense (which is what the list of demands now adds up to - what is it, blood transfusions and semantics they are now after) is damaging more legitmate causes. Not to mention thedamage that lots of people on the spectrum deciding they think that they are gay does to the cause. Its not difficult to see.
You really are a dry, boring, uncharismatic, onedimensional fucktard. Gay rights is first and foremost about not having to hide things without risking being disciminated against or subject to violence. If people can have open straight relationships and bring their wife/man to the business parties, the same should go for gay people.
Our needs greatly outrank theirs - its a pretty obvious fact. While we are being continually fucked over, Scotland Yard are busy ensuring that the Queen has some transexual bodyguards. Its ridiculous and has gone way too far.
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wait, now i want to brainwash nine yr olds into thinking they're transgendered? :LMAO:
hadron, either grow the fuck up or just go and shoot up your school already
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http://etransgender.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=510
In addition, the study remains to be replicated by other researchers, which will not be easy. It was performed by dissecting the autopsied brains of transsexuals, homosexual men, heterosexual men and heterosexual women. Because transsexuality is rare, it took the scientists 11 years to collect six transsexual brains.
Hardly conclusive evidence, far from it in fact.
True, but to say that it is untrue what he finds is impossible too based on this research. You cannot dismiss it. Asking for further research is another thing. But I guess you'll find that a waste of money.
This same Swaab is also working with aspies btw.
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wow you are a fucking idiot (not that I didn't already know this)
Oh - so anyone who disagrees with your Stonewall card-carrying nonsense is an idiot now. LOL.
Gay right about dressing up silly? doesn't everybody already have the right to dress up silly?
Gay rights is about marriage/adoption/not getting fired for being gay etc. Most of these thigns have been sorted out over the last decade or so in this country yes (down t the Labour govt I might add, fuck all the conservatives ever did for gay/trans people, surprise surprise), but homophobia is still a massive problem in this society, and in plenty of american states, gay people are still denied a lot of rights
People can only discriminate if they know about it - its pretty easy to hide tbh. As for home life, most employers don't give a shit. Asides, you have gotten all that you have wanted and need + extra from the Labour government, now it would be really nice if you could quit whining. But no, you now want to delude 9-yo's into thinking they are transgendered and screw them up.
and (again, I've asked you this before but you've consistently failed to give a proper answer), how does gay rights affect autistic rights? what rights are we denied as aspies? (at least, that gay rights is to blame for)
As I have explained endless times, the airtime given to this gay rights nonsense (which is what the list of demands now adds up to - what is it, blood transfusions and semantics they are now after) is damaging more legitmate causes. Not to mention thedamage that lots of people on the spectrum deciding they think that they are gay does to the cause. Its not difficult to see.
You really are a dry, boring, uncharismatic, onedimensional fucktard. Gay rights is first and foremost about not having to hide things without risking being disciminated against or subject to violence. If people can have open straight relationships and bring their wife/man to the business parties, the same should go for gay people.
Our needs greatly outrank theirs - its a pretty obvious fact. While we are being continually fucked over, Scotland Yard are busy ensuring that the Queen has some transexual bodyguards. Its ridiculous and has gone way too far.
I don't get it,
Are you jealous, is it envy? Or do you have a problem with the pc approach of it all?
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FFS, they still believe in the tooth fairy and santa in most cases at that age.
why do you have such a problem with people being trans/gay/bi?
i'm pretty sure you've been asked this numerous times on here, but you've never actually demonstrated HOW exactly they affect you at all
I have a problem with all lifestyle choices getting special priveleges, whilst people on the spectrum are getting fucked over big time over things actually out of our control. I think I have been pretty clear about this in the past.
You are among the ones who fuck people on the spectrum over with your narrow-minded view on lifestyle and work. Everyone with AS can't work, for example. It's completely individual and depends on how your life situation looks. Everyone can't change their situation, so everyone can't work.
Erm, lets check out some statistics:
- 15% of HFA / AS people are in full time employment
- Most people on the spectrum when asked what would make a biggest improvement in their lives, said "a job"
- The next thing they wanted was proper support.
What I advocate is that we get a fair set of opportunities and treatment, like the vast majority of people on the spectrum want. Though of course you have to be a rebel and be Pete Burns, dont you?
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I would like to just disappear into a fantasy world forever, that would make the biggest change to my life. Even if I had a job it would just serve as an excuse to daydream. Wherever I go, whatever I do, I daydream. A job for me would just be about finding the little moments and achieving a meditative state of mind, just like school was. I drifted off into my fantasies while waiting for the bus, I dreamed myself away in the late afternoon or the setting sun, on a rainy day I could be alone in the library imagining things etc... That's what reality is to me.
A job would just be a way of doing something actively while daydreaming. I can never be "there" the way others are, I'm too introverted.
Duh, we all do that, difference is, your just a fucking coward.
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wow you are a fucking idiot (not that I didn't already know this)
Oh - so anyone who disagrees with your Stonewall card-carrying nonsense is an idiot now. LOL.
Gay right about dressing up silly? doesn't everybody already have the right to dress up silly?
Gay rights is about marriage/adoption/not getting fired for being gay etc. Most of these thigns have been sorted out over the last decade or so in this country yes (down t the Labour govt I might add, fuck all the conservatives ever did for gay/trans people, surprise surprise), but homophobia is still a massive problem in this society, and in plenty of american states, gay people are still denied a lot of rights
People can only discriminate if they know about it - its pretty easy to hide tbh. As for home life, most employers don't give a shit. Asides, you have gotten all that you have wanted and need + extra from the Labour government, now it would be really nice if you could quit whining. But no, you now want to delude 9-yo's into thinking they are transgendered and screw them up.
and (again, I've asked you this before but you've consistently failed to give a proper answer), how does gay rights affect autistic rights? what rights are we denied as aspies? (at least, that gay rights is to blame for)
As I have explained endless times, the airtime given to this gay rights nonsense (which is what the list of demands now adds up to - what is it, blood transfusions and semantics they are now after) is damaging more legitmate causes. Not to mention thedamage that lots of people on the spectrum deciding they think that they are gay does to the cause. Its not difficult to see.
You really are a dry, boring, uncharismatic, onedimensional fucktard. Gay rights is first and foremost about not having to hide things without risking being disciminated against or subject to violence. If people can have open straight relationships and bring their wife/man to the business parties, the same should go for gay people.
Our needs greatly outrank theirs - its a pretty obvious fact. While we are being continually fucked over, Scotland Yard are busy ensuring that the Queen has some transexual bodyguards. Its ridiculous and has gone way too far.
I don't get it,
Are you jealous, is it envy? Or do you have a problem with the pc approach of it all?
It is not jealousy. It is about the state doing what is right and in the right order. But just to show the misguided priorities, here are two articles from todays paper:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1215286/Scotland-Yard-advertises-gay-lesbian-transgender-armed-officers-guard-Queen.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1215288/Problem-family-terrorised-mother-disabled-daughter-died-burning-car--menace.html
Meanwhile Peter Tachell et al want to campaign for semantic changes in our laws and the rights for gays to give blood transfusions. Apparently the burning issue of the day.
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You read the Daily Mail Hadron? :toporly:
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wait, now i want to brainwash nine yr olds into thinking they're transgendered? :LMAO:
You said earlier on that it was completely fine. Don't try and weasel out of it.
hadron, either grow the fuck up or just go and shoot up your school already
LMAO - your telling me to grow up. Rather than sort your life out, you are busy running around trying to pretend to be a boy. You and Soleiyu need to get a room.
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You read the Daily Mail Hadron? :toporly:
Normally as a comic, yes. But those two articles lining up conviently I couldn't resist copying over.
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wow, an example of stupidity, probably thought up by someone who's not even gay/trans themselves, but what the hell, let's make a big Daily Mail fiasco about it
and while we're here, why not complain about them fucking african american's, seeing as some white people thought positive discrimination would be a good idea there too at one point?
gay and trans people are not asking for this. again, i do not want to be treated differently than any other guy. same can be said of practically any other trans person
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McAndless is right. Political correctness has gone way too far. If people wanna be gay thats fair enough, or have the chop etc. But I don't want it shoved in my face. Gay marriage? Hang on a sec, at least wait till its proven that being gay is actually down to a gene. And It shows how fucked up things have got, when a 12 year old boy is allowed to dress like a girl. Some places are too extreme, yes. Like in redneck ville, its not right to kill someone just cause they're gay or black. There needs to be a balance, but its never gonna happen.
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wait, now i want to brainwash nine yr olds into thinking they're transgendered? :LMAO:
You said earlier on that it was completely fine. Don't try and weasel out of it.
woah. I'm definitely not goaa "weasle out of it". I stand by everything I've said previously in this thread. I'm not brainwashing kids into thinking they're trans though. But if they are, I want them to have the support they deserve so they don't have to go through the shit I did, or worse
hadron, either grow the fuck up or just go and shoot up your school already
LMAO - your telling me to grow up. Rather than sort your life out, you are busy running around trying to pretend to be a boy. You and Soleiyu need to get a room.
what, because I also happen to be transgendered, that means I'm not sorting my life out? I'm actually doing a hell of a lot to sort my life out. Being transgendered doesn't exactly take up a lot of time for me - I mean, it's not someithng I have to do. Oh and I'm not pretending to be anything.
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wait, now i want to brainwash nine yr olds into thinking they're transgendered? :LMAO:
You said earlier on that it was completely fine. Don't try and weasel out of it.
How on Earth did you manage to get into Durham if you cannot even differentiate approving from brainwashing? He doesn't even know the kids in question :lol:
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do you have a :penis: yet numa?
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But I don't want it shoved in my face.
Most people don't. I don't go round telling people I'm trans.
Gay marriage? Hang on a sec, at least wait till its proven that being gay is actually down to a gene.
It probably isn't down to 'a gene'. But it almost definitely is biological. If not, then it's something determined at a very young age, so might as well be for all the difference it makes. Although even if people did choose to be gay (lol), what's so wrong with that? I'd quite like to choose to be gay myself actually.
And It shows how fucked up things have got, when a 12 year old boy is allowed to dress like a girl.
God yes, terrible. Never mind the kids that get beaten up and bullied for years for being gay. The worst thing about our society is that trnasgendered teenagers and kids are able to be themselves.
There are examples of political correctness that has gone way too far, yes. But the moaning about it that goes on among conservatives and Daily Mail-types blows it way out of proportion. It's usually just a few isolated cases of idiocy, and is rarely supported by the "minorities" it's designed for, so don't give us shit for it
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McAndless is right. Political correctness has gone way too far. If people wanna be gay thats fair enough, or have the chop etc. But I don't want it shoved in my face. Gay marriage? Hang on a sec, at least wait till its proven that being gay is actually down to a gene. And It shows how fucked up things have got, when a 12 year old boy is allowed to dress like a girl. Some places are too extreme, yes. Like in redneck ville, its not right to kill someone just cause they're gay or black. There needs to be a balance, but its never gonna happen.
(http://www.planetclimax.com/pics/freesites/gay-sex-pics+-82-6.jpg)
:zoinks:
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Oh and (not that my particular situation has much to do with this), but I have no intention of ever getting sex surgery. I'm not even on hormones or anything. I just live my life how I am most comfortable. In fact, I go out of my way to make it easier for other people to deal with - even without OCD, I would never dream of going into either a male or female public toilet for example
edit: which is funny, as if I did go into a women's toilet, I'd likely get in some trouble. Fucked if you do, fucked if you don't, eh? :zoinks:
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Your moaning for more rights though. You should be satisfied. Try living in Alabama.
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http://etransgender.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=510
In addition, the study remains to be replicated by other researchers, which will not be easy. It was performed by dissecting the autopsied brains of transsexuals, homosexual men, heterosexual men and heterosexual women. Because transsexuality is rare, it took the scientists 11 years to collect six transsexual brains.
Hardly conclusive evidence, far from it in fact.
Twenty years ago, there was no diagnosis for Aspergers, does that mean I wasn't an Aspie then?
That now you may find the evidence of differences in people, beside NT/AS differences are inconclusive, does not mean these differences do not exist.
In some cultures transgender is not a problem at all. And has not been for ages.
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FFS, they still believe in the tooth fairy and santa in most cases at that age.
why do you have such a problem with people being trans/gay/bi?
i'm pretty sure you've been asked this numerous times on here, but you've never actually demonstrated HOW exactly they affect you at all
I have a problem with all lifestyle choices getting special priveleges, whilst people on the spectrum are getting fucked over big time over things actually out of our control. I think I have been pretty clear about this in the past.
You are among the ones who fuck people on the spectrum over with your narrow-minded view on lifestyle and work. Everyone with AS can't work, for example. It's completely individual and depends on how your life situation looks. Everyone can't change their situation, so everyone can't work.
Erm, lets check out some statistics:
- 15% of HFA / AS people are in full time employment
- Most people on the spectrum when asked what would make a biggest improvement in their lives, said "a job"
- The next thing they wanted was proper support.
What I advocate is that we get a fair set of opportunities and treatment, like the vast majority of people on the spectrum want. Though of course you have to be a rebel and be Pete Burns, dont you?
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I would like to just disappear into a fantasy world forever, that would make the biggest change to my life. Even if I had a job it would just serve as an excuse to daydream. Wherever I go, whatever I do, I daydream. A job for me would just be about finding the little moments and achieving a meditative state of mind, just like school was. I drifted off into my fantasies while waiting for the bus, I dreamed myself away in the late afternoon or the setting sun, on a rainy day I could be alone in the library imagining things etc... That's what reality is to me.
A job would just be a way of doing something actively while daydreaming. I can never be "there" the way others are, I'm too introverted.
Duh, we all do that, difference is, your just a fucking coward.
Not working is a blessing. I don't see things your way, accept it.
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Your moaning for more rights though. You should be satisfied. Try living in Alabama.
lol, Great attitude to have
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I dunno what that means blimp
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Your moaning for more rights though. You should be satisfied. Try living in Alabama.
Not more rights, equal status.
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So when when I put on a pink wig, i'm a girl?
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Your moaning for more rights though. You should be satisfied. Try living in Alabama.
Not more rights, equal status.
lol, they've got more then equal.
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Your moaning for more rights though. You should be satisfied. Try living in Alabama.
Not more rights, equal status.
Good point, I shoulda pointed that out.
This is another thing that irritates me about the anti-GLBT people: they often seem to get it into their head that gay/trans people want more rights, or "special" status. When in actually, what we want is the same as what everyone else has
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So when when I put on a pink wig, i'm a girl?
no. if you dress like a woman, you're just a transvestite, drag queen, dude dressed like a woman.
If you identify as female, live your life as female, then you're a woman IMO
Your moaning for more rights though. You should be satisfied. Try living in Alabama.
Not more rights, equal status.
lol, they've got more then equal.
one example of a right that trans people have which is denied to non-trans people, please.
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So when when I put on a pink wig, i'm a girl?
no. if you dress like a woman, you're just a transvestite, drag queen, dude dressed like a woman.
If you identify as female, live your life as female, then you're a woman IMO
Your moaning for more rights though. You should be satisfied. Try living in Alabama.
Not more rights, equal status.
lol, they've got more then equal.
one example of a right that trans people have which is denied to non-trans people, please.
:evillaugh: Must be the possibility of having both boobs and a penis. [/sarcasm]
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Irrelevant to the discussion but relevant to the topic, has anyone seen the film XXY? It's awesome, I recommend it :thumbup:
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Well no, with political correctness going too far, a lot of places, you'll get extra rights. Like WP. One of the reasons I got banned was for telling nicknackattack I didn't wanna hear such lurid details about his sex life. If I said that to a straight person, would I have been warned for being heterephobic? No.
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wow, an example of stupidity, probably thought up by someone who's not even gay/trans themselves, but what the hell, let's make a big Daily Mail fiasco about it
Actually they legally have to do it, thanks to Stonewall's lobbying.
and while we're here, why not complain about them fucking african american's, seeing as some white people thought positive discrimination would be a good idea there too at one point?
People don't choose to be black - nor is it easy to hide. On the other hand, as we have had to tell you umpteen times, you are demanding a lifestyle choice.
gay and trans people are not asking for this. again, i do not want to be treated differently than any other guy. same can be said of practically any other trans person
Apart from you want the right to choose your gender and the social role that goes with it - that is an extra privelege in itself.
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Your moaning for more rights though. You should be satisfied. Try living in Alabama.
Not more rights, equal status.
Good point, I shoulda pointed that out.
This is another thing that irritates me about the anti-GLBT people: they often seem to get it into their head that gay/trans people want more rights, or "special" status. When in actually, what we want is the same as what everyone else has
In which case shut up then and stop blabbing on 24/7 about how you are so hard done by. Legally you have that already.
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wow, an example of stupidity, probably thought up by someone who's not even gay/trans themselves, but what the hell, let's make a big Daily Mail fiasco about it
Actually they legally have to do it, thanks to Stonewall's lobbying.
and while we're here, why not complain about them fucking african american's, seeing as some white people thought positive discrimination would be a good idea there too at one point?
People don't choose to be black - nor is it easy to hide. On the other hand, as we have had to tell you umpteen times, you are demanding a lifestyle choice.
gay and trans people are not asking for this. again, i do not want to be treated differently than any other guy. same can be said of practically any other trans person
Apart from you want the right to choose your gender and the social role that goes with it - that is an extra privelege in itself.
Yep, got it in one
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wow, an example of stupidity, probably thought up by someone who's not even gay/trans themselves, but what the hell, let's make a big Daily Mail fiasco about it
Actually they legally have to do it, thanks to Stonewall's lobbying.
Does it really matter who the person guarding the Queen fucks, is attracted to or identifies as? I mean, as long as he/she doesn't go and rape her in a bush somewhere in the garden, then do we really fucking care?
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Apart from you want the right to choose your gender and the social role that goes with it - that is an extra privelege in itself.
well, no. I don't want the right to "choose my gender." but even if that was the case, you have that right too. You can live as a man or woman just as much as I can.
And to whoever said that thing about wp. That's hardly an intelligent example. There are alsorts of retarded things that are "rules" on wp. Not my fault. I run zomg and you can be as homophobic/transphobic as you like on there.
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http://etransgender.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=510
In addition, the study remains to be replicated by other researchers, which will not be easy. It was performed by dissecting the autopsied brains of transsexuals, homosexual men, heterosexual men and heterosexual women. Because transsexuality is rare, it took the scientists 11 years to collect six transsexual brains.
Hardly conclusive evidence, far from it in fact.
True, but to say that it is untrue what he finds is impossible too based on this research. You cannot dismiss it. Asking for further research is another thing. But I guess you'll find that a waste of money.
This same Swaab is also working with aspies btw.
I would be happy for more research to be done, though the fact it took 11 years to find 6 brains kind of shows that transexuals are bullshitting for the most part. Looks like a result of the operation rather than anything else.
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bejiman and Hadron - you are both perfectly within your rights to "choose" to be a different gender, if you can and want to.
It's hardly a special right I have (not that I did choose my gender, but I guess that concept is too much for guys like you to comprehend)
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WP is just an extreme example. In real life its much the same, and will only get worse. In your lifetime, you'll never be accepted by every single person as a tranny.
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wow, an example of stupidity, probably thought up by someone who's not even gay/trans themselves, but what the hell, let's make a big Daily Mail fiasco about it
Actually they legally have to do it, thanks to Stonewall's lobbying.
Does it really matter who the person guarding the Queen fucks, is attracted to or identifies as? I mean, as long as he/she doesn't go and rape her in a bush somewhere in the garden, then do we really fucking care?
No. But according to Stonewall et al, it really matters. Despite there being no real evidence that gay people are significantly disadvantaged in seeking employment, its harder even today for black people by miles. For one, the interviewer knows. Same with disabled people.
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http://etransgender.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=510
In addition, the study remains to be replicated by other researchers, which will not be easy. It was performed by dissecting the autopsied brains of transsexuals, homosexual men, heterosexual men and heterosexual women. Because transsexuality is rare, it took the scientists 11 years to collect six transsexual brains.
Hardly conclusive evidence, far from it in fact.
True, but to say that it is untrue what he finds is impossible too based on this research. You cannot dismiss it. Asking for further research is another thing. But I guess you'll find that a waste of money.
This same Swaab is also working with aspies btw.
I would be happy for more research to be done, though the fact it took 11 years to find 6 brains kind of shows that transexuals are bullshitting for the most part. Looks like a result of the operation rather than anything else.
how? you have to wait for the transsexual to die, and then have their consent (and possibly their next of kin's) before you can get their brain. Not all transgendered people (hell not all transsexuals) get the sex change, and I'm guessing the trans people they want for this experiment are those who have at least been on hormones. For them to have died in hte last decade or so,they'd have had to have been trans in a time when it was even worse for a trans person to come out and be themselves, so obviously there are gonna be few
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Yes real life is EXACTLY like WP ::)
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I'm not a darkage tosspot, who wants you all burnt at the steak. I just think a lot of things have gone way too far now. This 12 year old with derranged parents is the prefect example.
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wow, an example of stupidity, probably thought up by someone who's not even gay/trans themselves, but what the hell, let's make a big Daily Mail fiasco about it
Actually they legally have to do it, thanks to Stonewall's lobbying.
Does it really matter who the person guarding the Queen fucks, is attracted to or identifies as? I mean, as long as he/she doesn't go and rape her in a bush somewhere in the garden, then do we really fucking care?
No. But according to Stonewall et al, it really matters. Despite there being no real evidence that gay people are significantly disadvantaged in seeking employment, its harder even today for black people by miles. For one, the interviewer knows. Same with disabled people.
It does matter if a person is not being hired because of their sexuality or gender identity. That is discrimination.
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Apart from you want the right to choose your gender and the social role that goes with it - that is an extra privelege in itself.
well, no. I don't want the right to "choose my gender." but even if that was the case, you have that right too. You can live as a man or woman just as much as I can.
Quite blatently you do want that right. As I have said umpteen times, I would rather the government spent its time and money guaranteeing my rights in the first place, rather than your right to lead a certain lifestyle choice.
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I really cannot understand how some people can be so fucking stupid.
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Apart from you want the right to choose your gender and the social role that goes with it - that is an extra privelege in itself.
well, no. I don't want the right to "choose my gender." but even if that was the case, you have that right too. You can live as a man or woman just as much as I can.
Quite blatently you do want that right. As I have said umpteen times, I would rather the government spent its time and money guaranteeing my rights in the first place, rather than your right to lead a certain lifestyle choice.
I'm glad you've admited it at least. It's all ME ME ME with hadron. Fuck everyone else and their problems :zoinks:
Seriously dude, what the fuck are trans people taking away from autistic people by trying to make society more accepting and tolerant? (which incidentally is the same thing every group that's been discriminated does, and continues to do even after they have all their rights on paper - women, black people, gay people)
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wow, an example of stupidity, probably thought up by someone who's not even gay/trans themselves, but what the hell, let's make a big Daily Mail fiasco about it
Actually they legally have to do it, thanks to Stonewall's lobbying.
Does it really matter who the person guarding the Queen fucks, is attracted to or identifies as? I mean, as long as he/she doesn't go and rape her in a bush somewhere in the garden, then do we really fucking care?
No. But according to Stonewall et al, it really matters. Despite there being no real evidence that gay people are significantly disadvantaged in seeking employment, its harder even today for black people by miles. For one, the interviewer knows. Same with disabled people.
It does matter if a person is not being hired because of their sexuality or gender identity. That is discrimination.
Well you just don't tell the employer at interview, its not rocket science. If they sack you for it, then its easy to screw them over at an employment tribunal anyway.
Actively going out to delibrately hire someone because they are gay is outrageous imo. Give that treatment to disabled people instead, its a far fairer use of it.
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wow, an example of stupidity, probably thought up by someone who's not even gay/trans themselves, but what the hell, let's make a big Daily Mail fiasco about it
Actually they legally have to do it, thanks to Stonewall's lobbying.
Does it really matter who the person guarding the Queen fucks, is attracted to or identifies as? I mean, as long as he/she doesn't go and rape her in a bush somewhere in the garden, then do we really fucking care?
No. But according to Stonewall et al, it really matters. Despite there being no real evidence that gay people are significantly disadvantaged in seeking employment, its harder even today for black people by miles. For one, the interviewer knows. Same with disabled people.
It does matter if a person is not being hired because of their sexuality or gender identity. That is discrimination.
Well you just don't tell the employer at interview, its not rocket science. If they sack you for it, then its easy to screw them over at an employment tribunal anyway.
Actively going out to delibrately hire someone because they are gay is outrageous imo. Give that treatment to disabled people instead, its a far fairer use of it.
NO. Positive discrimination is retarded altogether. Not just when it doesn't suit you. Hiring me becuase I'm aspie would be just as bad as hiring me because I'm trans, and I w0uldn't want either. And with facebook etc, it's quite easy for employers to find out someone's gay. Having a wedding picture of you and your husband on your desk, talking to colleagues about your life at breeak etc
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Apart from you want the right to choose your gender and the social role that goes with it - that is an extra privelege in itself.
well, no. I don't want the right to "choose my gender." but even if that was the case, you have that right too. You can live as a man or woman just as much as I can.
Quite blatently you do want that right. As I have said umpteen times, I would rather the government spent its time and money guaranteeing my rights in the first place, rather than your right to lead a certain lifestyle choice.
I'm glad you've admited it at least. It's all ME ME ME with hadron. Fuck everyone else and their problems :zoinks:
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Seriously dude, what the fuck are trans people taking away from autistic people by trying to make society more accepting and tolerant? (which incidentally is the same thing every group that's been discriminated does, and continues to do even after they have all their rights on paper - women, black people, gay people)
They are only trying to make society more tolerant towards them - they don't actually give a shit about other groups. As ever, the less vocal groups get left by the wayside.
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wow, an example of stupidity, probably thought up by someone who's not even gay/trans themselves, but what the hell, let's make a big Daily Mail fiasco about it
Actually they legally have to do it, thanks to Stonewall's lobbying.
Does it really matter who the person guarding the Queen fucks, is attracted to or identifies as? I mean, as long as he/she doesn't go and rape her in a bush somewhere in the garden, then do we really fucking care?
No. But according to Stonewall et al, it really matters. Despite there being no real evidence that gay people are significantly disadvantaged in seeking employment, its harder even today for black people by miles. For one, the interviewer knows. Same with disabled people.
It does matter if a person is not being hired because of their sexuality or gender identity. That is discrimination.
Well you just don't tell the employer at interview, its not rocket science. If they sack you for it, then its easy to screw them over at an employment tribunal anyway.
Actively going out to delibrately hire someone because they are gay is outrageous imo. Give that treatment to disabled people instead, its a far fairer use of it.
NO. Positive discrimination is retarded altogether. Not just when it doesn't suit you. Hiring me becuase I'm aspie would be just as bad as hiring me because I'm trans, and I w0uldn't want either. And with facebook etc, it's quite easy for employers to find out someone's gay. Having a wedding picture of you and your husband on your desk, talking to colleagues about your life at breeak etc
Being disabled seriously cuts down the list of jobs you can do or apply for, especially at the lower levels. So in order to get started in a career it takes a lot longer and is actually more competative. As for being gay, no need to bring personal effects into work and if the employer finds out once they have hired you, there is shit all they can do about it. It costs them a lot to get rid once they have hired you, for one.
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Apart from you want the right to choose your gender and the social role that goes with it - that is an extra privelege in itself.
well, no. I don't want the right to "choose my gender." but even if that was the case, you have that right too. You can live as a man or woman just as much as I can.
Quite blatently you do want that right. As I have said umpteen times, I would rather the government spent its time and money guaranteeing my rights in the first place, rather than your right to lead a certain lifestyle choice.
I'm glad you've admited it at least. It's all ME ME ME with hadron. Fuck everyone else and their problems :zoinks:
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Seriously dude, what the fuck are trans people taking away from autistic people by trying to make society more accepting and tolerant? (which incidentally is the same thing every group that's been discriminated does, and continues to do even after they have all their rights on paper - women, black people, gay people)
They are only trying to make society more tolerant towards them - they don't actually give a shit about other groups. As ever, the less vocal groups get left by the wayside.
Is that bolded part about you Hadron?
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Apart from you want the right to choose your gender and the social role that goes with it - that is an extra privelege in itself.
well, no. I don't want the right to "choose my gender." but even if that was the case, you have that right too. You can live as a man or woman just as much as I can.
Quite blatently you do want that right. As I have said umpteen times, I would rather the government spent its time and money guaranteeing my rights in the first place, rather than your right to lead a certain lifestyle choice.
I'm glad you've admited it at least. It's all ME ME ME with hadron. Fuck everyone else and their problems :zoinks:
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Seriously dude, what the fuck are trans people taking away from autistic people by trying to make society more accepting and tolerant? (which incidentally is the same thing every group that's been discriminated does, and continues to do even after they have all their rights on paper - women, black people, gay people)
They are only trying to make society more tolerant towards them - they don't actually give a shit about other groups. As ever, the less vocal groups get left by the wayside.
Is that bolded part about you Hadron?
Actually, what I suggest improves society for everyone. They actually don't lose out from fixing society for disabled people - it saves them a lot of money for one.
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Apart from you want the right to choose your gender and the social role that goes with it - that is an extra privelege in itself.
well, no. I don't want the right to "choose my gender." but even if that was the case, you have that right too. You can live as a man or woman just as much as I can.
Quite blatently you do want that right. As I have said umpteen times, I would rather the government spent its time and money guaranteeing my rights in the first place, rather than your right to lead a certain lifestyle choice.
I'm glad you've admited it at least. It's all ME ME ME with hadron. Fuck everyone else and their problems :zoinks:
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Seriously dude, what the fuck are trans people taking away from autistic people by trying to make society more accepting and tolerant? (which incidentally is the same thing every group that's been discriminated does, and continues to do even after they have all their rights on paper - women, black people, gay people)
They are only trying to make society more tolerant towards them - they don't actually give a shit about other groups. As ever, the less vocal groups get left by the wayside.
Is that bolded part about you Hadron?
Actually, what I suggest improves society for everyone. They actually don't lose out from fixing society for disabled people - it saves them a lot of money for one.
It's the lifestyle word you use that I have a problem with.
I've heard it being used for ADHD
And lately hear it about autism. How it is all a fashion, just a lifestyle. And with tougher, firmer parents, all this ADHD and autism crap will be gone in no time.
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Apart from you want the right to choose your gender and the social role that goes with it - that is an extra privelege in itself.
well, no. I don't want the right to "choose my gender." but even if that was the case, you have that right too. You can live as a man or woman just as much as I can.
Quite blatently you do want that right. As I have said umpteen times, I would rather the government spent its time and money guaranteeing my rights in the first place, rather than your right to lead a certain lifestyle choice.
I'm glad you've admited it at least. It's all ME ME ME with hadron. Fuck everyone else and their problems :zoinks:
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Seriously dude, what the fuck are trans people taking away from autistic people by trying to make society more accepting and tolerant? (which incidentally is the same thing every group that's been discriminated does, and continues to do even after they have all their rights on paper - women, black people, gay people)
They are only trying to make society more tolerant towards them - they don't actually give a shit about other groups. As ever, the less vocal groups get left by the wayside.
Is that bolded part about you Hadron?
Actually, what I suggest improves society for everyone. They actually don't lose out from fixing society for disabled people - it saves them a lot of money for one.
It's the lifestyle word you use that I have a problem with.
I've heard it being used for ADHD
And lately hear it about autism. How it is all a fashion, just a lifestyle. And with tougher, firmer parents, all this ADHD and autism crap will be gone in no time.
I wonder where they got that idea from...
Maybe, if other groups were not so blatently running around promoting their lifestyles as things they were born to do, we might be a lot more believable. Of course, we are not helped by many people who say they are on the spectrum (they very well be so in some cases) who also subscribe to those lifestyle choices.
Though I shouild point out there is a lot of evidence for ASD's being a real condition. The problem is, other groups lie about having that kind of evidence for their cause, which damages our own.
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I really cannot understand how some people can be so fucking stupid.
Thats cause you are naive and stupid yourself.
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The employer would only know if the person was gay, if they were talking like a complete cunt, which is all an act, being that camp. In that case, then its their own fault if they get discriminated against.
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Apart from you want the right to choose your gender and the social role that goes with it - that is an extra privelege in itself.
well, no. I don't want the right to "choose my gender." but even if that was the case, you have that right too. You can live as a man or woman just as much as I can.
Quite blatently you do want that right. As I have said umpteen times, I would rather the government spent its time and money guaranteeing my rights in the first place, rather than your right to lead a certain lifestyle choice.
I'm glad you've admited it at least. It's all ME ME ME with hadron. Fuck everyone else and their problems :zoinks:
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Seriously dude, what the fuck are trans people taking away from autistic people by trying to make society more accepting and tolerant? (which incidentally is the same thing every group that's been discriminated does, and continues to do even after they have all their rights on paper - women, black people, gay people)
They are only trying to make society more tolerant towards them - they don't actually give a shit about other groups. As ever, the less vocal groups get left by the wayside.
Is that bolded part about you Hadron?
Actually, what I suggest improves society for everyone. They actually don't lose out from fixing society for disabled people - it saves them a lot of money for one.
It's the lifestyle word you use that I have a problem with.
I've heard it being used for ADHD
And lately hear it about autism. How it is all a fashion, just a lifestyle. And with tougher, firmer parents, all this ADHD and autism crap will be gone in no time.
I wonder where they got that idea from...
Maybe, if other groups were not so blatently running around promoting their lifestyles as things they were born to do, we might be a lot more believable. Of course, we are not helped by many people who say they are on the spectrum (they very well be so in some cases) who also subscribe to those lifestyle choices.
Though I shouild point out there is a lot of evidence for ASD's being a real condition. The problem is, other groups lie about having that kind of evidence for their cause, which damages our own.
I think your vision is damaging our cause btw. There is an analogy between how GBLT and neurodiverse people are being viewed by society. Society does not like diversity. But it is there. And the more society is confronted with that, the more there may change.
Most of us Aspies seclude ourselves from society. No need to do that too when it is about trying to get our right to be who we are. There are others, claiming the same right, because they are ostracised too for who they are.
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Apart from you want the right to choose your gender and the social role that goes with it - that is an extra privelege in itself.
well, no. I don't want the right to "choose my gender." but even if that was the case, you have that right too. You can live as a man or woman just as much as I can.
Quite blatently you do want that right. As I have said umpteen times, I would rather the government spent its time and money guaranteeing my rights in the first place, rather than your right to lead a certain lifestyle choice.
I'm glad you've admited it at least. It's all ME ME ME with hadron. Fuck everyone else and their problems :zoinks:
::)
Seriously dude, what the fuck are trans people taking away from autistic people by trying to make society more accepting and tolerant? (which incidentally is the same thing every group that's been discriminated does, and continues to do even after they have all their rights on paper - women, black people, gay people)
They are only trying to make society more tolerant towards them - they don't actually give a shit about other groups. As ever, the less vocal groups get left by the wayside.
Is that bolded part about you Hadron?
Actually, what I suggest improves society for everyone. They actually don't lose out from fixing society for disabled people - it saves them a lot of money for one.
It's the lifestyle word you use that I have a problem with.
I've heard it being used for ADHD
And lately hear it about autism. How it is all a fashion, just a lifestyle. And with tougher, firmer parents, all this ADHD and autism crap will be gone in no time.
I wonder where they got that idea from...
Maybe, if other groups were not so blatently running around promoting their lifestyles as things they were born to do, we might be a lot more believable. Of course, we are not helped by many people who say they are on the spectrum (they very well be so in some cases) who also subscribe to those lifestyle choices.
Though I shouild point out there is a lot of evidence for ASD's being a real condition. The problem is, other groups lie about having that kind of evidence for their cause, which damages our own.
I think your vision is damaging our cause btw. There is an analogy between how GBLT and neurodiverse people are being viewed by society. Society does not like diversity. But it is there. And the more society is confronted with that, the more there may change.
Most of us Aspies seclude ourselves from society. No need to do that too when it is about trying to get our right to be who we are. There are others, claiming the same right, because they are ostracised too for who they are.
Actually, I would say diversity and all the PC bs which goes with it makes things harder for us, not easier. 40 years ago, to fit in, the social rules we would have to follow were pretty simple. Now they are growing exponentially, along with the social bullshit and stress which goes along with it. Of course, other things are causing the change, but many nonsense causes seriously add to the problem.
Other people should not be claiming that right, its disgraceful that time and time again illegitmate claims are being put ahead of others. The key distinction you miss is choice, we don't have it, other groups do. Those other groups should be gagged and told to fuck off, quite frankly.
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a lot of social rules which were completely pointless and mostly based on lame tradition have actually started to disappear now. sure it was more obvious what was "right" and what was "wrong" back then, but people are more free to make mistakes and look 'weird' these days. a lot of aspies can hide their difficulties or just come across as slightly geeky/eccentric. i frequently give myself a headache (literally) trying to fit in and hide my autism. but it's often possible to an extent. should aspies also be made to hide who they are then, just like a trans woman could just dress like a guy and cut her hair if she wanted?
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Apart from you want the right to choose your gender and the social role that goes with it - that is an extra privelege in itself.
well, no. I don't want the right to "choose my gender." but even if that was the case, you have that right too. You can live as a man or woman just as much as I can.
Quite blatently you do want that right. As I have said umpteen times, I would rather the government spent its time and money guaranteeing my rights in the first place, rather than your right to lead a certain lifestyle choice.
I'm glad you've admited it at least. It's all ME ME ME with hadron. Fuck everyone else and their problems :zoinks:
::)
Seriously dude, what the fuck are trans people taking away from autistic people by trying to make society more accepting and tolerant? (which incidentally is the same thing every group that's been discriminated does, and continues to do even after they have all their rights on paper - women, black people, gay people)
They are only trying to make society more tolerant towards them - they don't actually give a shit about other groups. As ever, the less vocal groups get left by the wayside.
Is that bolded part about you Hadron?
Actually, what I suggest improves society for everyone. They actually don't lose out from fixing society for disabled people - it saves them a lot of money for one.
It's the lifestyle word you use that I have a problem with.
I've heard it being used for ADHD
And lately hear it about autism. How it is all a fashion, just a lifestyle. And with tougher, firmer parents, all this ADHD and autism crap will be gone in no time.
I wonder where they got that idea from...
Maybe, if other groups were not so blatently running around promoting their lifestyles as things they were born to do, we might be a lot more believable. Of course, we are not helped by many people who say they are on the spectrum (they very well be so in some cases) who also subscribe to those lifestyle choices.
Though I shouild point out there is a lot of evidence for ASD's being a real condition. The problem is, other groups lie about having that kind of evidence for their cause, which damages our own.
I think your vision is damaging our cause btw. There is an analogy between how GBLT and neurodiverse people are being viewed by society. Society does not like diversity. But it is there. And the more society is confronted with that, the more there may change.
Most of us Aspies seclude ourselves from society. No need to do that too when it is about trying to get our right to be who we are. There are others, claiming the same right, because they are ostracised too for who they are.
Actually, I would say diversity and all the PC bs which goes with it makes things harder for us, not easier. 40 years ago, to fit in, the social rules we would have to follow were pretty simple. Now they are growing exponentially, along with the social bullshit and stress which goes along with it. Of course, other things are causing the change, but many nonsense causes seriously add to the problem.
Other people should not be claiming that right, its disgraceful that time and time again illegitmate claims are being put ahead of others. The key distinction you miss is choice, we don't have it, other groups do. Those other groups should be gagged and told to fuck off, quite frankly.
That's where we will keep disagreeing. The others have no choice either.
And the pattern of discrimination is the same.
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a lot of social rules which were completely pointless and mostly based on lame tradition have actually started to disappear now.
To be replaced with even more ones. The number of those rules has increased, not decreased.
sure it was more obvious what was "right" and what was "wrong" back then, but people are more free to make mistakes and look 'weird' these days.
Society is more judgemental, not less. They are busy judging for different things.
a lot of aspies can hide their difficulties or just come across as slightly geeky/eccentric. i frequently give myself a headache (literally) trying to fit in and hide my autism. but it's often possible to an extent. should aspies also be made to hide who they are then, just like a trans woman could just dress like a guy and cut her hair if she wanted?
The latter case is very easy to do, in our case its a lot of effort and stress to do so and even then we only fit in on the boundary in most cases. And as I said, there is an evidence condition.
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Apart from you want the right to choose your gender and the social role that goes with it - that is an extra privelege in itself.
well, no. I don't want the right to "choose my gender." but even if that was the case, you have that right too. You can live as a man or woman just as much as I can.
Quite blatently you do want that right. As I have said umpteen times, I would rather the government spent its time and money guaranteeing my rights in the first place, rather than your right to lead a certain lifestyle choice.
I'm glad you've admited it at least. It's all ME ME ME with hadron. Fuck everyone else and their problems :zoinks:
::)
Seriously dude, what the fuck are trans people taking away from autistic people by trying to make society more accepting and tolerant? (which incidentally is the same thing every group that's been discriminated does, and continues to do even after they have all their rights on paper - women, black people, gay people)
They are only trying to make society more tolerant towards them - they don't actually give a shit about other groups. As ever, the less vocal groups get left by the wayside.
Is that bolded part about you Hadron?
Actually, what I suggest improves society for everyone. They actually don't lose out from fixing society for disabled people - it saves them a lot of money for one.
It's the lifestyle word you use that I have a problem with.
I've heard it being used for ADHD
And lately hear it about autism. How it is all a fashion, just a lifestyle. And with tougher, firmer parents, all this ADHD and autism crap will be gone in no time.
I wonder where they got that idea from...
Maybe, if other groups were not so blatently running around promoting their lifestyles as things they were born to do, we might be a lot more believable. Of course, we are not helped by many people who say they are on the spectrum (they very well be so in some cases) who also subscribe to those lifestyle choices.
Though I shouild point out there is a lot of evidence for ASD's being a real condition. The problem is, other groups lie about having that kind of evidence for their cause, which damages our own.
I think your vision is damaging our cause btw. There is an analogy between how GBLT and neurodiverse people are being viewed by society. Society does not like diversity. But it is there. And the more society is confronted with that, the more there may change.
Most of us Aspies seclude ourselves from society. No need to do that too when it is about trying to get our right to be who we are. There are others, claiming the same right, because they are ostracised too for who they are.
Actually, I would say diversity and all the PC bs which goes with it makes things harder for us, not easier. 40 years ago, to fit in, the social rules we would have to follow were pretty simple. Now they are growing exponentially, along with the social bullshit and stress which goes along with it. Of course, other things are causing the change, but many nonsense causes seriously add to the problem.
Other people should not be claiming that right, its disgraceful that time and time again illegitmate claims are being put ahead of others. The key distinction you miss is choice, we don't have it, other groups do. Those other groups should be gagged and told to fuck off, quite frankly.
That's where we will keep disagreeing. The others have no choice either.
And the pattern of discrimination is the same.
That is the lie they keep repeating to get their own way, yes. At our expense.
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The latter case is very easy to do, in our case its a lot of effort and stress to do so and even then we only fit in on the boundary in most cases.
Would you find it easy to live your life as a girl? No stress at all?
And as I said, there is an evidence condition.
???
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What would you do if they discovered being a tran or gay was a mental illness?
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The latter case is very easy to do, in our case its a lot of effort and stress to do so and even then we only fit in on the boundary in most cases.
Would you find it easy to live your life as a girl? No stress at all?
Women get a better deal under the social contract. Of course I would have the small difficulty of learning all the social bullshit that goes with it, but most of the particular problematic expectations would have gone.
And as I said, there is an evidence condition.
???
You have to prove beyond reasonable doubt its not a lifestyle choice.
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What would you do if they discovered being a tran or gay was a mental illness?
lol, transsexuality is still technically classed as a mental illness. or was last time i checked. being gay was at one point as well. i would strongly disagree if it was claimed the latter was a mental illness again, but what do you mean what would I do? would I no longer think they deserve equal rights? of course not, I would still support gay rights.
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Your gender is all in your mind. It is something created by society, so it isn't really that important to me. Worrying about what gender role box you fit into isn't really a productive thing to be concerned with... there are a lot of things that are more important in life. I don't understand why people can't be content with what they are born with, as far as genitals go.
You look at brain scans which have been done of Male to Female transsexuals; it shows their brain structure is like that of a woman's as opposed to a man's.
Anybody knows of the case of David Reimer, who after a botched circumcision the doctors decided wanted to raise as a girl. These medical doctors preformed gender reassignment surgeries, hormone treatment and various psychological treatments to order to make this guy into a girl.
It was a total failure although, because when 'Brenda' as he was called grew up, decided to indentify as a male instead.
The transcript of the program I watched about this whole subject. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/2813gender.html
It is all convincing to me that gender identity is in the brain and this gender indentity is set, when we are still in our mother’s womb.
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Erm, lets check out some statistics:
- 15% of HFA / AS people are in full time employment
- Most people on the spectrum when asked what would make a biggest improvement in their lives, said "a job"
- The next thing they wanted was proper support.
What I advocate is that we get a fair set of opportunities and treatment, like the vast majority of people on the spectrum want. Though of course you have to be a rebel and be Pete Burns, dont you?
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Where are those stats from?
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Erm, lets check out some statistics:
- 15% of HFA / AS people are in full time employment
- Most people on the spectrum when asked what would make a biggest improvement in their lives, said "a job"
- The next thing they wanted was proper support.
What I advocate is that we get a fair set of opportunities and treatment, like the vast majority of people on the spectrum want. Though of course you have to be a rebel and be Pete Burns, dont you?
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Where are those stats from?
I've seen those statistics before. 85-90% of spectrum people are outside of work.
The only job I want is as Führer or superstar.
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Erm, lets check out some statistics:
- 15% of HFA / AS people are in full time employment
- Most people on the spectrum when asked what would make a biggest improvement in their lives, said "a job"
- The next thing they wanted was proper support.
What I advocate is that we get a fair set of opportunities and treatment, like the vast majority of people on the spectrum want. Though of course you have to be a rebel and be Pete Burns, dont you?
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Where are those stats from?
I've seen those statistics before. 85-90% of spectrum people are outside of work.
The only job I want is as Führer or superstar.
Very good, Soleiyu. You have added immesurably to my faith in those statistics. *pats Soleiyu on the head and gives him a cookie*
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Erm, lets check out some statistics:
- 15% of HFA / AS people are in full time employment
- Most people on the spectrum when asked what would make a biggest improvement in their lives, said "a job"
- The next thing they wanted was proper support.
What I advocate is that we get a fair set of opportunities and treatment, like the vast majority of people on the spectrum want. Though of course you have to be a rebel and be Pete Burns, dont you?
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Where are those stats from?
I've seen those statistics before. 85-90% of spectrum people are outside of work.
The only job I want is as Führer or superstar.
Very good, Soleiyu. You have added immesurably to my faith in those statistics. *pats Soleiyu on the head and gives him a cookie*
I just commented on it, little american whore.
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Your gender is all in your mind. It is something created by society, so it isn't really that important to me. Worrying about what gender role box you fit into isn't really a productive thing to be concerned with... there are a lot of things that are more important in life. I don't understand why people can't be content with what they are born with, as far as genitals go.
You look at brain scans which have been done of Male to Female transsexuals; it shows their brain structure is like that of a woman's as opposed to a man's.
Anybody knows of the case of David Reimer, who after a botched circumcision the doctors decided wanted to raise as a girl. These medical doctors preformed gender reassignment surgeries, hormone treatment and various psychological treatments to order to make this guy into a girl.
It was a total failure although, because when 'Brenda' as he was called grew up, decided to indentify as a male instead.
The transcript of the program I watched about this whole subject. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/2813gender.html
It is all convincing to me that gender identity is in the brain and this gender indentity is set, when we are still in our mother’s womb.
The concept of gender identity is in the human brain. Animals don't worry about it at all. There are homosexual and bisexual animals, but they don't give a shit about their "gender". Of course it is set, because people have these things called personalities, and that is all gender identity is. People just choose to invent the gender ROLE system that gives people their gender identity. It is sad that people define themselves by their gender. A lot of male to female transsexuals take hormones so they of course would have similar brain patterns to a woman in that case. They don't have to change their gender or their sex. A person's gender doesn't have to match their sex imo. It would be easier if they could find a way to be content with what they were born with regardless of gender.
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it's easier to give hormones/surgery then to change an entire person's brain.
And I don't think many people define themselves by their gender. It just becomes a huge part of what they are because they've had to suffer a lot because of it. Society places a HUGE emphasis on gender (more so than any other of the main identity bollocks IMO), it's just that most of it is very subtle and isn't noticed by most non-trans people, because it has no effect on them. Also a lot of transgendered people aren't transsexual and have no desire to change their body in any way
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Just to be clear, I don't believe in hadrons wacky ideas even though I agree that parents shouldn't let their kids act out their trans in society until they are of legal ago to make their own choices about said subject.
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Erm, lets check out some statistics:
- 15% of HFA / AS people are in full time employment
- Most people on the spectrum when asked what would make a biggest improvement in their lives, said "a job"
- The next thing they wanted was proper support.
What I advocate is that we get a fair set of opportunities and treatment, like the vast majority of people on the spectrum want. Though of course you have to be a rebel and be Pete Burns, dont you?
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Where are those stats from?
The UK National Autistic Society.
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Of course, some have to be awkward and buck the trend for no good reason.
It's so obvious, Haddy! They [we] exult in their [our] strangeness because it confuses and annoys you and violates your sense of decency and order. Inconsiderate bastards. :lol:
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Now this is a good example of PC bollocks:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8276255.stm
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Now this is a good example of PC bollocks:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8276255.stm
Sounds a lot like what you do actually.
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Hi benjina, you big faggot :ghey:
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Now this is a good example of PC bollocks:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8276255.stm
LOL, that brings back memories.
Years ago a picture of me and a fellow student appeared on the cover of a gay magazine.
The picture had been taken on a conference about feminism and gay issues in religion.
The friend got mad, because she did not want to be seen as gay.
And the magazine got mad, when they found out they had a cover with two women who both were in a straight relation.
The photographer and I had a great laugh about it.
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That's hilarious :lol:
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Erm, lets check out some statistics:
- 15% of HFA / AS people are in full time employment
- Most people on the spectrum when asked what would make a biggest improvement in their lives, said "a job"
- The next thing they wanted was proper support.
What I advocate is that we get a fair set of opportunities and treatment, like the vast majority of people on the spectrum want. Though of course you have to be a rebel and be Pete Burns, dont you?
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Where are those stats from?
The UK National Autistic Society.
TY. =)
I just commented on it, little american whore.
You use the quaintest terms of endearment sometimes, little swedish weaboo.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8301791.stm
impatient bastards :laugh:
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Good on them.
Obama should carry through his promise now, that way he'd deserve the Nobel Prize at least slightly.
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Oh yeah!
This is the thing TheOtherWindow went to as well :laugh:
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Missed this before, glad I saw it tonight.
When I've ever asked someone who was gay or trans, when did you know?
The answer I've always gotten 90% of the time was "always".
Personally I never thought of it as really a "choice", but a genetic thing, and I've always felt you should just be who you are inside.
This said, my son apparently has a transgendered kid in his grade this year. My son is in 4th grade, he's 10 going on 11, we held him back a year so most of the kids in his grade are actually 9 going on 10. He told me the one kid had dressed as a boy since he entered school, but this year he came to school in girl's clothes and with his hair dyed.
We live in a rural coal mining area, he said the other kids are quote: "totally ruthless mom" in their teasing, and a day doesn't go by without this kid getting teased, mocked, and picked on. If this was my child I think I would rather have him pretend to maybe be something he felt he wasn't until he was older than to watch him go through this hell on a daily basis, because I don't know how someone can cope with that every day and come out of it without some scars, kids can be nastier then adults. :(
I guess I'm left questioning the parents logic on this one, if it where myself, I guess I would, a. move to an area where there was some hope of acceptance, b. homeschool, or c. pretend until I felt they were old enough to cope better with the crap.
My son thinks he's cool though, he says he/she's a walking dictionary on horror films. My kid's been on a horror/zombie kick for a couple of month's now. :zombiefuck:
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Edit: :facepalm2:
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Is TOW gay/transgender?
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TOW is ts and pansexual. He has a boyfriend :)
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just saw an ad for a program about an 8 yr old trans kid on c4 on monday, if anyone's interested
looked like the kid was actually getting shots of something :zombiefuck:
(i don't think that is medically safe, so i dn't agree with that, for the record)
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Oh yeah!
This is the thing TheOtherWindow went to as well :laugh:
Pics he took:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2513/4002690909_179f304b4f.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2639/4002690973_e144803489.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2569/4002691709_bcd5f5aaa2.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3492/4002692421_9dedc9cb93.jpg)
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I haven't interacted with TOW much, but he seems cool.
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He's awesomer than awesome
My 7000th post :lol: