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Start here => M.O.-Introductions => Topic started by: sg1008 on March 10, 2013, 03:20:26 PM
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Hi all. I am a regular poster on AFF, heard about this place from...a couple of people actually. The main impression I got was not so good, but there were also other opinions so I came to check it out for myself because it kept coming up. About myself: not much to tell. According to gov't I am unemployed, but I know better :mischief: lol, I am very interested in culture and philosophy (particularly indigenous issues) and I like to have productive discussions about these topics.
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I also like games and randomness.
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This place has a reputation, which is all swell and such, I guess. But reality is that the bulk of the members here aren't "trolls" nor do they try to be. Most of the "remarkable" stuff happened in a gone-by age, and the most remarkable thing w the currect forum is it's lack of moderation.
That doesn't mean it's a wild-west site tho.
Think of it like as if murder was suddenly allowed. Most people I know would still not run around commiting murder, because they are decent folk :D
(and those who DID commit it, would suddenly have a lot to fear from reprecussions and street justice :D)
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Ah okay. A real communal effort then?
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Just a forum :D
the tiny demographics creates a more... compact-ness here, it's not a big vast forums with many cliques. But it is just a forum, it has no particular "theme", beyond being somewhere aspies can post as they feel like it.
A problem for aspies on most forums, is our tendency to be misunderstood, to say things that wasn't always recieved very well. Here that is no issue :]
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Welcome.
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According to gov't I am unemployed, but I know better :mischief:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mJ4lc_Q9Q6k/SbqQ2scWIoI/AAAAAAAAcP0/NHNOiAbjmYU/s400/futurama_fry_looking_squint.jpg)
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According to gov't I am unemployed, but I know better :mischief:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mJ4lc_Q9Q6k/SbqQ2scWIoI/AAAAAAAAcP0/NHNOiAbjmYU/s400/futurama_fry_looking_squint.jpg)
Seriously. Either you have a job or you don't.
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I am unemployed, but fully occupied :M
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Yeah I don't know why but thats all I could see in that entire paragraph.
I am unemployed, but fully occupied :M
YEah but you're a nerd Zegh. We all already know and love you.
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:welcome: and all that.
Yeah it's pretty quiet and stable around here anymore, but there's still a vibrant group of people posting. They just already know what will happen if they try to bite each other's heads off.
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Welcome to the Intense Empire. Hold on to your knickers it's going to be a hell of a ride.
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welcome to I^2. ;)
FEAR ME.
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welcome to I^2. ;)
FEAR ME.
:chainsaw:
awww, Look at that SG, you got a welcome from fuckface
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welcome to I^2. ;)
FEAR ME.
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awww, Look at that SG, you got a welcome from fuckface
what can i say, i'm just a naturally nice guy!
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Thank you for the welcomes.
@earthboundmisfit, I am employed by my conscience. I get paid in satisfaction.... don't know how else to put it. I will be returning to school though (once all of my master plans have been laid out). :P
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Thank you for the welcomes.
@earthboundmisfit, I am employed by my conscience. I get paid in satisfaction.... don't know how else to put it. I will be returning to school though (once all of my master plans have been laid out). :P
lolz. how profound. :lolwat:
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Hi sg.
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G'day Sg. Good to have another familiar face here. Hope you enjoy it.
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Welcome to yet another AFFfag.
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Welcome to yet another AFFfag.
It is funny. There was a time this place was almost exclusive WPFags and now it is probably 50/50.
I think I may have been the first AFFfag here?
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I'm not any kind of fag :M
wait
I'm a WP-fag :( I tend to forget that site
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Welcome to yet another AFFfag.
It is funny. There was a time this place was almost exclusive WPFags and now it is probably 50/50.
I think I may have been the first AFFfag here?
It's been down hill ever since. :hahaha: :zoinks:
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Welcome to yet another AFFfag.
It is funny. There was a time this place was almost exclusive WPFags and now it is probably 50/50.
I think I may have been the first AFFfag here?
It's been down hill ever since. :hahaha: :zoinks:
You arsehole :laugh:
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Welcome, etc.
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G'day Sg. Good to have another familiar face here. Hope you enjoy it.
G'day mate,
So far so good.
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G'day Sg. Good to have another familiar face here. Hope you enjoy it.
G'day mate,
So far so good.
So far, but you have no met CouldBeCousin yet. :'(
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Hi all. I am a regular poster on AFF, heard about this place from...a couple of people actually. The main impression I got was not so good, but there were also other opinions so I came to check it out for myself because it kept coming up. About myself: not much to tell. According to gov't I am unemployed, but I know better :mischief: lol, I am very interested in culture and philosophy (particularly indigenous issues) and I like to have productive discussions about these topics.
Welcome and salutations. May Allah smile upon you and may your loins be ever fruitful.
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Hi all. I am a regular poster on AFF, heard about this place from...a couple of people actually. The main impression I got was not so good, but there were also other opinions so I came to check it out for myself because it kept coming up. About myself: not much to tell. According to gov't I am unemployed, but I know better :mischief: lol, I am very interested in culture and philosophy (particularly indigenous issues) and I like to have productive discussions about these topics.
Welcome and salutations. May Allah smile upon you and may your loins be ever fruitful.
Assalamu 'alaikum, you Muslim?
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Here is a bit of a guide for you.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,19595.msg880589.html#msg880589 (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,19595.msg880589.html#msg880589)
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Here is a bit of a guide for you.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,19595.msg880589.html#msg880589 (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,19595.msg880589.html#msg880589)
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Thanks.
I wonder if I would get along with Bodie. I consider the Roman empire one of the worst things to happen to this planet. Julius Cesar was a tyrant and genocidal madman (much like Hitler...except successful; speaking of which, if europeans weren't complete hypocrits they'd tear down all his memorializing statues.) But one can't expect the ripple effects of a massive city rape to be good. Afterall, that is how they empowered themselves to start...
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Here is a bit of a guide for you.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,19595.msg880589.html#msg880589 (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,19595.msg880589.html#msg880589)
:thumbup:
Thanks.
I wonder if I would get along with Bodie. I consider the Roman empire one of the worst things to happen to this planet. Julius Cesar was a tyrant and genocidal madman (much like Hitler...except successful; speaking of which, if europeans weren't complete hypocrits they'd tear down all his memorializing statues.) But one can't expect the ripple effects of a massive city rape to be good. Afterall, that is how they empowered themselves to start...
She is probably would like him FOR that reason. She is pretty hardcore. :)
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Welcome and all.
Are you the sensitive type?
Are you :viking:
Have you ever tried to bite someone's head off?
Where is CBC?
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Here is a bit of a guide for you.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,19595.msg880589.html#msg880589 (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,19595.msg880589.html#msg880589)
:thumbup:
Thanks.
I wonder if I would get along with Bodie. I consider the Roman empire one of the worst things to happen to this planet. Julius Cesar was a tyrant and genocidal madman (much like Hitler...except successful; speaking of which, if europeans weren't complete hypocrits they'd tear down all his memorializing statues.) But one can't expect the ripple effects of a massive city rape to be good. Afterall, that is how they empowered themselves to start...
Every last society on earth is there, because at some point or other it conquered and expanded.
The main difference between Hitler and Caesar were gas chambers, and the distinct goal of annihilation.
Out of a European population of about 75 million during the Roman empire, any given war would rarely exceed death tolls of over tens of thousands, only in extremely rare cases exceeding 100K, never in the millions, and entire ethnicities were never wiped out.
The gauls did not disappear, they were assimilated. French ethnicity still comprises of a lot of celtic heritage (As with most of western Europe).
You are suggesting we are hypocrites merely for existing. Norway was never part of the Roman empire, and we don't sport any statues of it, and Norway is also created out of independent kingdoms conquering each others. None of these independent kingdoms thought of themselves as broken pieces of a larger nation. They were only out for conquest and greed, thus creating an arbitrary conglomeration of their nearest neighbors, today called "Norway".
Every single latinamerican country exists through bloodshed, both before and after Spanish colonization. USA exists thanks to invasion and bloodshed. Australia exists thanks to invasion and bloodshed. Every last Asian nation is founded on the invasion of others, and massive bloodshed. Japan today exists thanks to independent kingdoms invading each others. China was built, destroyed and rebuilt again repeatedly, each time on invasions and more invasions.
You get a "minus" in the book for attempting a provocative remark about "hypocrite Europeans", while clearly not having thought it through. Let this be a lesson for the future :M
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Hi all. I am a regular poster on AFF, heard about this place from...a couple of people actually. The main impression I got was not so good, but there were also other opinions so I came to check it out for myself because it kept coming up. About myself: not much to tell. According to gov't I am unemployed, but I know better :mischief: lol, I am very interested in culture and philosophy (particularly indigenous issues) and I like to have productive discussions about these topics.
Welcome and salutations. May Allah smile upon you and may your loins be ever fruitful.
Assalamu 'alaikum, you Muslim?
I am what I am.
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Welcome and all.
Are you the sensitive type?
Are you :viking:
Have you ever tried to bite someone's head off?
Where is CBC?
Here I am! :cbc: Have sg1008 and I met before?
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Do you have an opinion of the Chumash Indians??
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Do you have an opinion of the Chumash Indians??
Is this an attempt to appear a scholar? Or did you just do a random wikipedia page search?
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Welcome and all.
Thanks
Are you the sensitive type?
Depends on the situation and circumstance...
Are you :viking:
Am I viking? Or do you mean warrior? or brave?
Have you ever tried to bite someone's head off?
Not really, unless chocolate santas and gummy bears count.
Where is CBC?
In Canada. Wait, did you mean CBC the news station, or CBC short for couldbecousin?
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Here is a bit of a guide for you.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,19595.msg880589.html#msg880589 (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,19595.msg880589.html#msg880589)
:thumbup:
Thanks.
I wonder if I would get along with Bodie. I consider the Roman empire one of the worst things to happen to this planet. Julius Cesar was a tyrant and genocidal madman (much like Hitler...except successful; speaking of which, if europeans weren't complete hypocrits they'd tear down all his memorializing statues.) But one can't expect the ripple effects of a massive city rape to be good. Afterall, that is how they empowered themselves to start...
Every last society on earth is there, because at some point or other it conquered and expanded.
The main difference between Hitler and Caesar were gas chambers, and the distinct goal of annihilation.
Out of a European population of about 75 million during the Roman empire, any given war would rarely exceed death tolls of over tens of thousands, only in extremely rare cases exceeding 100K, never in the millions, and entire ethnicities were never wiped out.
The gauls did not disappear, they were assimilated. French ethnicity still comprises of a lot of celtic heritage (As with most of western Europe).
You are suggesting we are hypocrites merely for existing. Norway was never part of the Roman empire, and we don't sport any statues of it, and Norway is also created out of independent kingdoms conquering each others. None of these independent kingdoms thought of themselves as broken pieces of a larger nation. They were only out for conquest and greed, thus creating an arbitrary conglomeration of their nearest neighbors, today called "Norway".
Every single latinamerican country exists through bloodshed, both before and after Spanish colonization. USA exists thanks to invasion and bloodshed. Australia exists thanks to invasion and bloodshed. Every last Asian nation is founded on the invasion of others, and massive bloodshed. Japan today exists thanks to independent kingdoms invading each others. China was built, destroyed and rebuilt again repeatedly, each time on invasions and more invasions.
You get a "minus" in the book for attempting a provocative remark about "hypocrite Europeans", while clearly not having thought it through. Let this be a lesson for the future :M
That is your presumption. No hard feelings though. History written and research by conquerers tends to have a bias towards conquering peoples: either to demonstrate their superiority, or to justify their actions, or something along those lines. Don't assume you know the history of every last society, people, and culture on earth, and don't assume the history you know is accurate.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say you are of the female persuasion, based on your posts.
I'm going to go out on a different limb and say you are of the male persuasion, based on your posts.
Am I right?
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say you are of the female persuasion, based on your posts.
I'm going to go out on a different limb and say you are of the male persuasion, based on your posts.
Am I right?
LMFAO!!!! :)
Yes you are right. Technically transgender, but the term two spirit is probably more accurate. Living the role of a male btw, so the preferred pronoun would be "he".
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Do you have an opinion of the Chumash Indians??
No. But if you have any information you'd like to share about them, I would be interested :) Are you Chumash?
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Welcome and all.
Are you the sensitive type?
Are you :viking:
Have you ever tried to bite someone's head off?
Where is CBC?
Here I am! :cbc: Have sg1008 and I met before?
I am not sure...probably not, unless you've been around AFF in the past 6 months.
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Welcome. :thumbup:
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say you are of the female persuasion, based on your posts.
I'm going to go out on a different limb and say you are of the male persuasion, based on your posts.
Am I right?
LMFAO!!!! :)
Yes you are right. Technically transgender, but the term two spirit is probably more accurate. Living the role of a male btw, so the preferred pronoun would be "he".
I shall remember this when I address you. May heaven smile upon your masculine role :hyke: :)
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In Canada. Wait, did you mean CBC the news station, or CBC short for couldbecousin?
There is only one CBC on I2. THE CBC, the magnificient weeble. :cbc:
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say you are of the female persuasion, based on your posts.
I'm going to go out on a different limb and say you are of the male persuasion, based on your posts.
Am I right?
LMFAO!!!! :)
Yes you are right. Technically transgender, but the term two spirit is probably more accurate. Living the role of a male btw, so the preferred pronoun would be "he".
I shall remember this when I address you. May heaven smile upon your masculine role :hyke: :)
Thanks, shukran.
+1 karma for that
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In Canada. Wait, did you mean CBC the news station, or CBC short for couldbecousin?
There is only one CBC on I2. THE CBC, the magnificient weeble. :cbc:
Cool cow btw.
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That is your presumption. No hard feelings though. History written and research by conquerers tends to have a bias towards conquering peoples: either to demonstrate their superiority, or to justify their actions, or something along those lines. Don't assume you know the history of every last society, people, and culture on earth, and don't assume the history you know is accurate.
I think I am safe to assume the Roman empire never attempted gassing of peoples, and the extermination of entire ethnicities through the means of swords, well... I'd like to see anybody try that on a large scale.
One thing is to have the capacity to stab a couple of thousand opponents through the means of a battle
another is the logistical challenge to stab and decapitate millions and millions of people. How do you even make them stand still for decapitation?
Genetic heritage is traceable.
Celtic genes in Europe:
(http://www.shef.ac.uk/polopoly_fs/1.193153!/image/European-genetic-map.jpg)
Two options, either all of Europe is swamped by the Irish - OR... These are actual, detectable and even significant remnants of the mainland celtic populations - that the Romans never wiped out but instead assimilated.
For a population to change their language, you need to use a bit of force. I'm not saying it was comfortable.
My other assumption was that human history is ripe with war.
Which one of these assumptions were too unlikely for you? :D
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That is your presumption. No hard feelings though. History written and research by conquerers tends to have a bias towards conquering peoples: either to demonstrate their superiority, or to justify their actions, or something along those lines. Don't assume you know the history of every last society, people, and culture on earth, and don't assume the history you know is accurate.
I think I am safe to assume the Roman empire never attempted gassing of peoples, and the extermination of entire ethnicities through the means of swords, well... I'd like to see anybody try that on a large scale.
One thing is to have the capacity to stab a couple of thousand opponents through the means of a battle
another is the logistical challenge to stab and decapitate millions and millions of people. How do you even make them stand still for decapitation?
Genetic heritage is traceable.
Celtic genes in Europe:
(http://www.shef.ac.uk/polopoly_fs/1.193153!/image/European-genetic-map.jpg)
Two options, either all of Europe is swamped by the Irish - OR... These are actual, detectable and even significant remnants of the mainland celtic populations - that the Romans never wiped out but instead assimilated.
For a population to change their language, you need to use a bit of force. I'm not saying it was comfortable.
My other assumption was that human history is ripe with war.
Which one of these assumptions were too unlikely for you? :D
Cesar committed genocide when he conquered the Gauls. He decimated entire towns and millions of people, then came back and rewrote history to reflect glorious victories over a barbarous people. Thats a genocide. I am sure if he had poison gas he would have used it.
Other people were assimilated, but not without resistance. It was more like: assimilate or die, and after a generation of brainwashing the sons of chiefs, the ppl began to like their conquerers...any rebels were killed off and given a bad rep (such as the Druids who were law keepers and knew the roman system was BS).
Also in that area, the romans weren't the first to suffer at the hands of colonialism, they learned it and embellished it. So there was already a culture of combat in the area, thats why the romans could convince others to not resist them because if they were under roman rule they would be "protected". Then think about people such as the Gauls, they didn't need protection and were actually formidable enemies, so the romans hated them and just about wiped them out.
Roman expansion can come down to one thing: Gloria. A culture of gaining power based on a conquering/battle victorious/wealth obtaining reputation. They had no real vision or dream for what they were doing other than greed and power.
Take the Inca on the other hand: yes they went about conquering people, but they had a vision about what they were doing. They included people in an economy (mountain ppl provide jerky and potatoes, valley people provide corn, ocean people fish). They had extensive road systems to enable this, far better than romans roads.
Independent of the Inca, peoples who live in the amazon forests could self sustain with the diverse horticulture available to them. They were practically vegetarians too. They had no need for roads, and temples and farms because one permaculture "garden" was easy enough and could sustain an entire family unit.
There are others...I don't know enough to go into detail though. I won't say there were never battles, especially in the north, but battles tend to look different. For instance in the plains they have a concept of counting coup: where a battle would be one based on who could touch more people. It was a demonstration of power and respect of that power. Maybe one or two people would die. They would regularly "war" like this, but when europeans came over and started slaughtering hundreds in one battle they were shocked and appalled. That type of bloodshed was foreign and barbarous to them.
Once you wrap your head around that you have to wonder what other cultural "battles" and conquering stories cannot be truly translated to our english culture who thinks of warriors as people who kill or defend brutal interference.
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The romans slaughtered a lot, yes, I agree, but the pragmatist I am, I don't think it is in any way comparable to WW2 and Nazi Germany's very eager destruction-of-peoples. Jews in Europe are completely decimated, many countries lost ALL jewish population - ALL of it.
That is - if not very very morbid - an achievement. And very few, if not none, can compare to that. 60% of Peruvian genetics is still quechua, this is not the sign of an annihilated population.
I think we're in danger of quarreling semantics now, so... let's agree that the Romans were brutal, but that very little can compare to the brutality and the focus of Hitler's Germany.
Even Japanese random slaughter of Chinese is not comparable, even if the number of Chinese victims is higher than Jewish deaths, because the method, tenacity and focus was not comparable to the nazis.
Btw, concerning amazonian tribes, it is likely that the pre-colonial amazonian populations were considerably lower than they are now, and that many of the extant tribes there are descendants of refugees from the carribean and eastern Brazilian coasts.
Anyway, as I made sure to make sure in my original reply to you, I considered your statement rash and un-thought-through, I did not doubt your personal knowledge about the matters ;] My point stands, a nation isn't hypocritical simply for looking back at its history.
I mean, what do you expect, for a French person to renounce his Latin heritage!? :D What about me!? My dad is Peruvian, my grandpa is Mestizo, and my grandma Spanish. Whom of these must I resent the most, so not to be a hypocrite? :D
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The romans slaughtered a lot, yes, I agree, but the pragmatist I am, I don't think it is in any way comparable to WW2 and Nazi Germany's very eager destruction-of-peoples. Jews in Europe are completely decimated, many countries lost ALL jewish population - ALL of it.
That is - if not very very morbid - an achievement. And very few, if not none, can compare to that. 60% of Peruvian genetics is still quechua, this is not the sign of an annihilated population.
I think we're in danger of quarreling semantics now, so... let's agree that the Romans were brutal, but that very little can compare to the brutality and the focus of Hitler's Germany.
Even Japanese random slaughter of Chinese is not comparable, even if the number of Chinese victims is higher than Jewish deaths, because the method, tenacity and focus was not comparable to the nazis.
Btw, concerning amazonian tribes, it is likely that the pre-colonial amazonian populations were considerably lower than they are now, and that many of the extant tribes there are descendants of refugees from the carribean and eastern Brazilian coasts.
Anyway, as I made sure to make sure in my original reply to you, I considered your statement rash and un-thought-through, I did not doubt your personal knowledge about the matters ;] My point stands, a nation isn't hypocritical simply for looking back at its history.
I mean, what do you expect, for a French person to renounce his Latin heritage!? :D What about me!? My dad is Peruvian, my grandpa is Mestizo, and my grandma Spanish. Whom of these must I resent the most, so not to be a hypocrite? :D
No, I never said I thought they should renounce or whatnot. I was making the point that Germans were so beat up about Hitler, it wasn't fair to point the finger at them in such a way without doing the same to themselves and their own history (and ongoing genocides...such as the genocide going on simultaneously in North America, Australia, etc).
Also, I am fascinated by the roman impact on europeans not because one should feel ashamed, but because, psychologically speaking, patterns of abuse repeat generation after generation and rarely if ever go away on their own. It tends to take some effort to STOP the pattern...without that effort the instinct will be to continue. In those terms, I think it would be healthier to recognize that your ancestors had an abusive past, and this continued to affect them generations afterwards. It still does today, though things are changing. Cultures are not static: sometimes once warring people, realize the misery they are in and change their ways. This has happened all over the world, there is one notable example among the north american woodland and plains indians... Usually a Jesus type figure comes about to affect massive change...
Also [just to insert something, I generally do this not directed at you] the jews weren't the only ppl who died by the millions. We forget the Gypsies, or Roma people. They were in the same boat. By the millions. What I find interesting is that they are rarely remembered, and even today face probably the most discrimination of all people in europe and america. They never got a homeland or anything like that (mostly because they didn't speak up like european jews, they are more of a private people, and simply migrated away). When people talk about Hitler and genocide, the gypsies should be mentioned along with the jews.
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Also, I am fascinated by the roman impact on europeans not because one should feel ashamed, but because, psychologically speaking, patterns of abuse repeat generation after generation and rarely if ever go away on their own. It tends to take some effort to STOP the pattern...without that effort the instinct will be to continue. In those terms, I think it would be healthier to recognize that your ancestors had an abusive past, and this continued to affect them generations afterwards. It still does today, though things are changing. Cultures are not static: sometimes once warring people, realize the misery they are in and change their ways. This has happened all over the world, there is one notable example among the north american woodland and plains indians... Usually a Jesus type figure comes about to affect massive change...
That is actually quite an intriguing point. I have often tried to explain to people that an individual human - and a population of people - often follow the same kind of psychology and reaction. An abused individual is likely to become an abuser. An abused population consists of abused individuals.
Also [just to insert something, I generally do this not directed at you] the jews weren't the only ppl who died by the millions. We forget the Gypsies, or Roma people. They were in the same boat. By the millions. What I find interesting is that they are rarely remembered, and even today face probably the most discrimination of all people in europe and america. They never got a homeland or anything like that (mostly because they didn't speak up like european jews, they are more of a private people, and simply migrated away). When people talk about Hitler and genocide, the gypsies should be mentioned along with the jews.
This is very true. Another forgotten fact is that while upto 6 million Jews died, around 10 million Germans died. The Jews have long since been avenged. *looks at Israel*
The gypsies are a sad people. Norway sent almost all of them to Germany. The original Norwegian gypsies, the so called "Tater" are completely indistinguishable from "ordinary" Norwegians by now, while a new wave of gypsies have arrived from southern Europe, and naturally people are reacting poorly to it - to the point of sheer racism. They were naturally upset that gypsies took home in city parks in Oslo, but the gypsies didn't like it in the park either, nor did they feel good about the resentment, so they moved to the forest. Yes... the forest.
But guess what!? Somebody turned out to own the forest, and didn't want the gypsies in the forest either. "Um, yes, they... eh... clutter the forest :M"
People still perpetuate the myth that "gypsies have travel in their blood", no, they have being hounded away "in their blood". What a horrible thing to say about someone... that's like claiming "negroes have lynching in their blood"
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Also, I am fascinated by the roman impact on europeans not because one should feel ashamed, but because, psychologically speaking, patterns of abuse repeat generation after generation and rarely if ever go away on their own. It tends to take some effort to STOP the pattern...without that effort the instinct will be to continue. In those terms, I think it would be healthier to recognize that your ancestors had an abusive past, and this continued to affect them generations afterwards. It still does today, though things are changing. Cultures are not static: sometimes once warring people, realize the misery they are in and change their ways. This has happened all over the world, there is one notable example among the north american woodland and plains indians... Usually a Jesus type figure comes about to affect massive change...
That is actually quite an intriguing point. I have often tried to explain to people that an individual human - and a population of people - often follow the same kind of psychology and reaction. An abused individual is likely to become an abuser. An abused population consists of abused individuals.
Also [just to insert something, I generally do this not directed at you] the jews weren't the only ppl who died by the millions. We forget the Gypsies, or Roma people. They were in the same boat. By the millions. What I find interesting is that they are rarely remembered, and even today face probably the most discrimination of all people in europe and america. They never got a homeland or anything like that (mostly because they didn't speak up like european jews, they are more of a private people, and simply migrated away). When people talk about Hitler and genocide, the gypsies should be mentioned along with the jews.
This is very true. Another forgotten fact is that while upto 6 million Jews died, around 10 million Germans died. The Jews have long since been avenged. *looks at Israel*
The gypsies are a sad people. Norway sent almost all of them to Germany. The original Norwegian gypsies, the so called "Tater" are completely indistinguishable from "ordinary" Norwegians by now, while a new wave of gypsies have arrived from southern Europe, and naturally people are reacting poorly to it - to the point of sheer racism. They were naturally upset that gypsies took home in city parks in Oslo, but the gypsies didn't like it in the park either, nor did they feel good about the resentment, so they moved to the forest. Yes... the forest.
But guess what!? Somebody turned out to own the forest, and didn't want the gypsies in the forest either. "Um, yes, they... eh... clutter the forest :M"
People still perpetuate the myth that "gypsies have travel in their blood", no, they have being hounded away "in their blood". What a horrible thing to say about someone... that's like claiming "negroes have lynching in their blood"
Ooh, I just had a thought. The Roma people are the only example I know of (off the top of my head) who are a people with a loooooong history of oppression, slavery, genocide, (the whole kit and kaboodle) and yet, do not repeat those cycles within their community. They never really got assimilated...sure they assimilate as well as aspies act NT to blend in and get a job, but beyond that they keep their own culture and language alive and well. There are many Roma who still speak Roma and yet some live in Poland, some live in New York, etc.
They are among the most victimized and yet among the most innocent (non violent) people on earth. Hows that?
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They are among the most victimized and yet among the most innocent (non violent) people on earth. Hows that?
Hmmm, I can only think of their lack of stationary organization. Manpower could also be an issue, in order to gather manpower and be organized, you cannot be chased from place to place. Many a tiny minority is capable of great retribution against its opressor, precisely because they are stationary and organized as a unit, such as the Basques. By being organized, they are capable of amassing wealth in another way. Although one can never truly claim the Basque nation to be super-wealthy, at least it has more of a centralized and unified wealth than the gypsies have, scattered all over the world as they are.
Also, the Basques have a much easyer goal, they have one main "enemy" to direct their effort on, while the gypsies would gain very little by perpetrating terrorism or any other kind of violent opposition in those places they are scattered.
(http://nigeldickinson.com/albums/slovakiaroma/001_lunik_ix_kosice.jpg)
Gypsi neighborhood in Kosice, Slovakia
(http://www.dmc-rtaspain.com/wp-content/gallery/norte-bilbao/bilbao-punte-2.jpg)
Bilbao
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A bit of an exaggeration of my point, but I think that's a major factor. Gypsies simply are not organized "as one", and as scattered groups they haven't got anywhere near the actual physical resources to put up any efficient resistance.
I feel very sorry for the gypsies. I've had strongly anti-racist people talk about gypsies as non-humans, as an "exception" to their otherwise humanist attitudes, it is very sad they are seen like this.
A Japanese historian commenting on WW2 said something interesting (and quite obvious) about human psychology: We are so much more prone to sadism and cruelty against someone who appears pitiful.
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Are you going to upload an avatar? You're encroaching on Calavera's uniqueness.
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A Japanese historian commenting on WW2 said something interesting (and quite obvious) about human psychology: We are so much more prone to sadism and cruelty against someone who appears pitiful.
Easy targets....
Although, I thinks its an aspect of the abuse cycle...when you're caught in it, its easiest, and safest, to let your rage out on the dog (so to speak). There are cultures that do not exhibit the same bullying feature of the human psyche we are all too familiar with...they simply know how to respect others and share what they have.
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Are you going to upload an avatar? You're encroaching on Calavera's uniqueness.
Well, since I've had such an awesome welcoming here, I'll upload something...
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A Japanese historian commenting on WW2 said something interesting (and quite obvious) about human psychology: We are so much more prone to sadism and cruelty against someone who appears pitiful.
Easy targets....
Although, I thinks its an aspect of the abuse cycle...when you're caught in it, its easiest, and safest, to let your rage out on the dog (so to speak). There are cultures that do not exhibit the same bullying feature of the human psyche we are all too familiar with...they simply know how to respect others and share what they have.
Yes, it is something I often have to remind myself, and I find it interesting you brought it up. Humans are very adaptable, and not at all as locked in patterns as we often claim to be.
Like I said, societies reflect individuals. Some societies are indeed much more prone to peace and compassion.
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Are you going to upload an avatar? You're encroaching on Calavera's uniqueness.
Well, since I've had such an awesome welcoming here, I'll upload something...
thats because you are the first noob in a while that hasnt been up to something
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A Japanese historian commenting on WW2 said something interesting (and quite obvious) about human psychology: We are so much more prone to sadism and cruelty against someone who appears pitiful.
Easy targets....
Although, I thinks its an aspect of the abuse cycle...when you're caught in it, its easiest, and safest, to let your rage out on the dog (so to speak). There are cultures that do not exhibit the same bullying feature of the human psyche we are all too familiar with...they simply know how to respect others and share what they have.
Yes, it is something I often have to remind myself, and I find it interesting you brought it up. Humans are very adaptable, and not at all as locked in patterns as we often claim to be.
Like I said, societies reflect individuals. Some societies are indeed much more prone to peace and compassion.
The human psyche can orchestrate several different realities, and all societies (on avg) are prone to each reality equally. We have control over what we make of ourselves its just a matter of knowing how to affect that reality....it also comes down to what our priorities (as a community) are. If we agree on certain things and can go about bringing it into reality. Usually it only takes a generation or two when everyone agrees on something.
Now, zooming out into the world of philosophy, if people were more united in their vision for life and the future, we could bring about really good things. But we have to be wise about it, and not short change ourselves for quick results...take the who global warming fiasco...we will have to change a lot, including our attitude about life, diversity, nature, and human expansion. Otherwise we won't live to see our realities of space travel, peace, and health come to light.
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Are you going to upload an avatar? You're encroaching on Calavera's uniqueness.
Well, since I've had such an awesome welcoming here, I'll upload something...
thats because you are the first noob in a while that hasnt been up to something
Hi skyblue1, are you the same skyblue1 from AFF?
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Now, zooming out into the world of philosophy, if people were more united in their vision for life and the future, we could bring about really good things. But we have to be wise about it, and not short change ourselves for quick results...take the who global warming fiasco...we will have to change a lot, including our attitude about life, diversity, nature, and human expansion. Otherwise we won't live to see our realities of space travel, peace, and health come to light.
I find myself very pessimistic about such prospects, as I believe continued population growth will only fragment peoples more and more. Unity is often associated with conquest and opression, and will inevitably create minorities - simply from the fact that some populations are bigger than others.
If the EU was a country, it would consist of Germans as the most populous nation - while everyone else would technically be minorities and would inevitably begin to yearn for independence.
As I often tell people - humanity is "untested", we do not know what we get ourselves into. Take the internet generation for example. It is often joked about, but I find it no joking matter :D Are researchers 100 years from now, going to abide by the standards of "I fucking love science"?
Humanity is risky, and our civilization has only existed for a short moment in a biological timescale. We need to really snap the hell out of our lull, if we plan to exist for a truly considerable time, and not just be a "moment" in the lifespan of our planet :I
Awesome avatar btw, I love birds - and dinosaurs - and eagles fighting just evoke "raptors" like nothing else. In evolution there is no "border" between species, and technically living birds are living dinosaurs, and I love to relish in that fact: Eagles fighting are living, breathing dinosaurs. That is what they look like, in case anybody wonders! And that is how they fight :D At least - that kind of dinosaur. The cuddly little passerine dinosaurs have other methods :D
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Are you going to upload an avatar? You're encroaching on Calavera's uniqueness.
Well, since I've had such an awesome welcoming here, I'll upload something...
thats because you are the first noob in a while that hasnt been up to something
Hi skyblue1, are you the same skyblue1 from AFF?
yep, I hope there is not another one
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Awesome avatar btw, I love birds - and dinosaurs - and eagles fighting just evoke "raptors" like nothing else. In evolution there is no "border" between species, and technically living birds are living dinosaurs, and I love to relish in that fact: Eagles fighting are living, breathing dinosaurs. That is what they look like, in case anybody wonders! And that is how they fight :D At least - that kind of dinosaur. The cuddly little passerine dinosaurs have other methods :D
I plan to reply to your other statement at a later time. Maybe a different thread.
As for the avatar: it is a picture of an adult bald eagle stealing a fish from a juvenile bald eagle. I also like it because eagles tend to hang out in pairs, and when they "play" they will zoom across the sky towards each other, then at the last moment link talons and whirl around in the air before letting go.
You may find this interesting (its only about 8 min): http://youtu.be/Reag3fn-JNA (http://youtu.be/Reag3fn-JNA)
Ah in the video the photographer call it cart-wheeling when they lock talons and spin around.
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Nice vid. I liked the close-up of that photogenic eagle :D
A reason I like eagles is that they also help break the "fragile" image people have of birds (usually due to their feathers), birds are just as tough as any mammal, even tougher because of the way their torso is structured (as a solid box).
Allready when I was little, I was fascinated with a big color panel in a nature book my grandpa had, showing a big Norwegian "sea-eagle" (technically the same as the bald eagle, only with a less bright head) ripping open and eating a fox. I loved the notion that birds could "pwn" mammals, just as easily as any kind of predator that knows what its doing
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Nice vid. I liked the close-up of that photogenic eagle :D
A reason I like eagles is that they also help break the "fragile" image people have of birds (usually due to their feathers), birds are just as tough as any mammal, even tougher because of the way their torso is structured (as a solid box).
Allready when I was little, I was fascinated with a big color panel in a nature book my grandpa had, showing a big Norwegian "sea-eagle" (technically the same as the bald eagle, only with a less bright head) ripping open and eating a fox. I loved the notion that birds could "pwn" mammals, just as easily as any kind of predator that knows what its doing
This is one of my favourite vids, as the eagle owl comes closer (and into focus) check out its talons: http://youtu.be/SAz1L8DlvBM (http://youtu.be/SAz1L8DlvBM)
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I made a new thread for such videos:
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,20510.0.html (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,20510.0.html)
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Nice vid. I liked the close-up of that photogenic eagle :D
A reason I like eagles is that they also help break the "fragile" image people have of birds (usually due to their feathers), birds are just as tough as any mammal, even tougher because of the way their torso is structured (as a solid box).
Allready when I was little, I was fascinated with a big color panel in a nature book my grandpa had, showing a big Norwegian "sea-eagle" (technically the same as the bald eagle, only with a less bright head) ripping open and eating a fox. I loved the notion that birds could "pwn" mammals, just as easily as any kind of predator that knows what its doing
This is one of my favourite vids, as the eagle owl comes closer (and into focus) check out its talons: http://youtu.be/SAz1L8DlvBM (http://youtu.be/SAz1L8DlvBM)
When I restore dinosaurs, birds are an obvious source of inspiration. Many artists take it far, and make dinosaurs into existing birds, to make some point, but I am refering more to the texture of the skin on its feet, the flexibility of the toes, the function of the talons, etc.
Harpy eagles are able to squeeze their talons clean through protective gloves, into someones flesh, and scrape bone.
Cute birdies
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Are you going to upload an avatar? You're encroaching on Calavera's uniqueness.
Well, since I've had such an awesome welcoming here, I'll upload something...
Much more gooder.
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Are you going to upload an avatar? You're encroaching on Calavera's uniqueness.
Well, since I've had such an awesome welcoming here, I'll upload something...
thats because you are the first noob in a while that hasnt been up to something
El Presidente is another, actually. Arguably he won't suffer fools easily, but I think it safe to assume he isn't here to troll.
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Do you have an opinion of the Chumash Indians??
No. But if you have any information you'd like to share about them, I would be interested :) Are you Chumash?
No, I just live in (former) Chumash territory.
Did you know that the name/word Malibu is Chumash? Present day Malibu is at the southern end of their territory, San Luis Obispo is at their northern border.
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Are you going to upload an avatar? You're encroaching on Calavera's uniqueness.
Well, since I've had such an awesome welcoming here, I'll upload something...
thats because you are the first noob in a while that hasnt been up to something
El Presidente is another, actually. Arguably he won't suffer fools easily, but I think it safe to assume he isn't here to troll.
Yup. I agree with your assessment
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:mischief:Are you going to upload an avatar? You're encroaching on Calavera's uniqueness.
Well, since I've had such an awesome welcoming here, I'll upload something...
thats because you are the first noob in a while that hasnt been up to something
El Presidente is another, actually. Arguably he won't suffer fools easily, but I think it safe to assume he isn't here to troll.
Yup. I agree with your assessment
not here to troll, just to stroll
Do persians stroll?
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:mischief:Are you going to upload an avatar? You're encroaching on Calavera's uniqueness.
Well, since I've had such an awesome welcoming here, I'll upload something...
thats because you are the first noob in a while that hasnt been up to something
El Presidente is another, actually. Arguably he won't suffer fools easily, but I think it safe to assume he isn't here to troll.
Yup. I agree with your assessment
not here to troll, just to stroll
Do persians stroll?
(http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/05/pop4.jpg)
A stroll under a Persian city?
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:mischief:Are you going to upload an avatar? You're encroaching on Calavera's uniqueness.
Well, since I've had such an awesome welcoming here, I'll upload something...
thats because you are the first noob in a while that hasnt been up to something
El Presidente is another, actually. Arguably he won't suffer fools easily, but I think it safe to assume he isn't here to troll.
Yup. I agree with your assessment
not here to troll, just to stroll
Do persians stroll?
(http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/05/pop4.jpg)
A stroll under a Persian city?
That armour looks very unprotective...
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But it shows off his biceps and that's all that matters. :P
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But it shows off his biceps and that's all that matters. :P
His biceps, shoulders, and most importantly, his flowy hair!
Who needs adequate protection when you have flowy hair!?
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LOL, I wonder what the failtroll is posting for it to be removed?
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:mischief:Are you going to upload an avatar? You're encroaching on Calavera's uniqueness.
Well, since I've had such an awesome welcoming here, I'll upload something...
thats because you are the first noob in a while that hasnt been up to something
El Presidente is another, actually. Arguably he won't suffer fools easily, but I think it safe to assume he isn't here to troll.
Yup. I agree with your assessment
not here to troll, just to stroll
Do persians stroll?
(http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/05/pop4.jpg)
A stroll under a Persian city?
A most Princely stroll indeed!
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:mischief:Are you going to upload an avatar? You're encroaching on Calavera's uniqueness.
Well, since I've had such an awesome welcoming here, I'll upload something...
thats because you are the first noob in a while that hasnt been up to something
El Presidente is another, actually. Arguably he won't suffer fools easily, but I think it safe to assume he isn't here to troll.
Yup. I agree with your assessment
not here to troll, just to stroll
Do persians stroll?
(http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/05/pop4.jpg)
A stroll under a Persian city?
A most Princely stroll indeed!
to bad he is a white guy, huh? definitely not persian
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Here is a bit of a guide for you.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,19595.msg880589.html#msg880589 (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,19595.msg880589.html#msg880589)
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Thanks.
I wonder if I would get along with Bodie. I consider the Roman empire one of the worst things to happen to this planet. Julius Cesar was a tyrant and genocidal madman (much like Hitler...except successful; speaking of which, if europeans weren't complete hypocrits they'd tear down all his memorializing statues.) But one can't expect the ripple effects of a massive city rape to be good. Afterall, that is how they empowered themselves to start...
I missed your arrival. My Apologies.
Welcome. We will get along just fine, especially if the 'sg' in your name is short for Sargent :P
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Here is a bit of a guide for you.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,19595.msg880589.html#msg880589 (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,19595.msg880589.html#msg880589)
:thumbup:
Thanks.
I wonder if I would get along with Bodie. I consider the Roman empire one of the worst things to happen to this planet. Julius Cesar was a tyrant and genocidal madman (much like Hitler...except successful; speaking of which, if europeans weren't complete hypocrits they'd tear down all his memorializing statues.) But one can't expect the ripple effects of a massive city rape to be good. Afterall, that is how they empowered themselves to start...
I missed your arrival. My Apologies.
Welcome. We will get along just fine, especially if the 'sg' in your name is short for Sargent :P
I think it stands for: seriously grumpy
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Here is a bit of a guide for you.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,19595.msg880589.html#msg880589 (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,19595.msg880589.html#msg880589)
:thumbup:
Thanks.
I wonder if I would get along with Bodie. I consider the Roman empire one of the worst things to happen to this planet. Julius Cesar was a tyrant and genocidal madman (much like Hitler...except successful; speaking of which, if europeans weren't complete hypocrits they'd tear down all his memorializing statues.) But one can't expect the ripple effects of a massive city rape to be good. Afterall, that is how they empowered themselves to start...
I missed your arrival. My Apologies.
Welcome. We will get along just fine, especially if the 'sg' in your name is short for Sargent :P
:hyke: Nice to meet you. Ha, I like the sound of Sargent. It could also mean Super Greatness...
I think it stands for: seriously grumpy
:apondering: I could try and pull that off, I might not be successful though.
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Hello sg1008. What does the 1008 mean?
What is your avatar about? It looks like a bird all twisted about in mid-air. I don't know if I am seeing it right.
Edit: Never mind, I just read in another thread what it is.
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Hello sg1008. What does the 1008 mean?
What is your avatar about? It looks like a bird all twisted about in mid-air. I don't know if I am seeing it right.
Edit: Never mind, I just read in another thread what it is.
Hi renaeden, 1008 is an auspicious number in hinduism...a lot of gods list 1008 names together. The digits also add up to 9 which is an awesome number in general. :nerdy:
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LOL, I wonder what the failtroll is posting for it to be removed?
Very large lettering.
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LOL, I wonder what the failtroll is posting for it to be removed?
Very large lettering in italics.
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Welcome and all.
Thanks
Are you the sensitive type?
Depends on the situation and circumstance...
Are you :viking:
Am I viking? Or do you mean warrior? or brave?
Have you ever tried to bite someone's head off?
Not really, unless chocolate santas and gummy bears count.
Where is CBC?
In Canada. Wait, did you mean CBC the news station, or CBC short for couldbecousin?
Now that I know what "Are you :viking:" means...I am....both brave and sensitive. :green:
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Lol Goku goes straight to third base at eight years old or some shit, doesn't give it a second thought. That's manly.
Dragonball - Funny Perverted Bulma Moments - Pilaf Saga (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20w7EBAfUIQ#ws)