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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Parts on February 19, 2010, 07:55:51 PM
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What happened to the take care of your self you can do anything aptitude. Instead of individuates rights and responsibilities we have come to the point when we blame everyone else. Then they want some sort of compensation. Worse yet we give it to them encouraging others to do the same. If you do something stupid and get hurt it's your fault not whom ever"s product you were using at the time or whose property you were on. Everybody worried about risk and safty all the time is killing us
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What happened to the take care of your self you can do anything aptitude. Instead of individuates rights and responsibilities we have come to the point when we blame everyone else. Then they want some sort of compensation. Worse yet we give it to them encouraging others to do the same. If you do something stupid and get hurt it's your fault not whom ever"s product you were using at the time or whose property you were on. Everybody worried about risk and safty all the time is killing us
i think this is a world wide problem.
politicians have learned that if you take care of society and do their thinking for them then they can maintain control over them.
the problem began when they began writing legislation to protect the the individual, for example: the hanicapped, minorities, single mothers. society becomes stronger if we subscrtibe to an evolutionary view of things. sink or swim....survival of the fittest.
also, when they continue to legislate common sense it makes it so people do not have to think for themselves so they don't. example: seat belt law. no fucking shit. give me the facts and show me the statistics which show me that wearing a seatbelt will likely save my life and i will wear one. why? because i am capable of making common sense decisions. but, when they tell you you have to and then punish you when you don't then you have completly taken away my rational thought on a certain subject. then, when they write a million similar laws then i wonder why i have to even think at all. and this is what they want.
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What happened to the take care of your self you can do anything aptitude. Instead of individuates rights and responsibilities we have come to the point when we blame everyone else. Then they want some sort of compensation. Worse yet we give it to them encouraging others to do the same. If you do something stupid and get hurt it's your fault not whom ever"s product you were using at the time or whose property you were on. Everybody worried about risk and safty all the time is killing us
i think this is a world wide problem.
politicians have learned that if you take care of society and do their thinking for them then they can maintain control over them.
the problem began when they began writing legislation to protect the the individual, for example: the hanicapped, minorities, single mothers. society becomes stronger if we subscrtibe to an evolutionary view of things. sink or swim....survival of the fittest.
also, when they continue to legislate common sense it makes it so people do not have to think for themselves so they don't. example: seat belt law. no fucking shit. give me the facts and show me the statistics which show me that wearing a seatbelt will likely save my life and i will wear one. why? because i am capable of making common sense decisions. but, when they tell you you have to and then punish you when you don't then you have completly taken away my rational thought on a certain subject. then, when they write a million similar laws then i wonder why i have to even think at all. and this is what they want.
Then the world must change at whatever costs. The legislating common sense is out of control look at some of the shit OSHA does here watch the demo of her Osha 10 course WTF I am supposed to have this to work in some companies what a joke what them demo http://www.osha10.com/osha10-demo.asp I am not a child what does everything be brought to that level are there really that many stupid people out there?
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i didn't mention any of the common sense legislation that pertains to contractors on purpose. i knew you would have some passion about those issues since it pertains to your own field.
i read that about 20 years ago that mother theresa was trying to utilize a vacant building in newyork as a place to help homeless people get off the streets. because they had to renovate it and use it for new prposes then they were required to put in an elevator. guess what? they couldn't afford this costly renovation so the idea was scrapped.
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btw- there is an interesting read that i devoured about 15 years ago titled: the death of common sense.
find it and read it.
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It is a mere example of what has been stuck in my face lately. The Mother Tresa thing what in NYC i remember it well and we get the NYC news on TV here. But everything begin legislated is there goal it keeps them and the government machine going. They want to outlaw smoking out doors in some park in New Jersey :-\ I am dealing with my own little Nazi strong hold in our towns government. Telling everyone how they can do things in there own yards and home
btw- there is an interesting read that i devoured about 15 years ago titled: the death of common sense.
find it and read it.
I;ll look thanks
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many of the common sense legislation comes from pressure on politicians from major corporations.
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Insurance companies push this nanny state so they don't have to pay out as much
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Insurance companies push this nanny state so they don't have to pay out as much
and banks. and major contractors, and any other player who want to eliminate the start up competition.
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All the new environmental laws and ohsa shit really are discouraging for people like me. Small owners who would possibly expand but can't deal or keep up with so many rules without help and lots of fancy equipment they require
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would you consider osha to be a bureacracy of american politics or corporation?
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They take the worst of both. Holding themselves free of the government when handy to do so but using the unending resources of it to suit them. I have met them on jobs I wear a respirator all the time at work and let them think I am Bosnian or Croatian mumbling the few words I know in those languages though the mask and walking away
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also, when they continue to legislate common sense it makes it so people do not have to think for themselves so they don't. example: seat belt law. no fucking shit. give me the facts and show me the statistics which show me that wearing a seatbelt will likely save my life and i will wear one. why? because i am capable of making common sense decisions. but, when they tell you you have to and then punish you when you don't then you have completly taken away my rational thought on a certain subject. then, when they write a million similar laws then i wonder why i have to even think at all. and this is what they want.
The seat belt is likely to save your live - though in a situation where you would have been killed without it, you'd most probably survive as an invalid.
The seat belt law is there for two reasons:
1. The state needs its slaves. Saving lives is a self-purpose for the state. In Sweden you can be held in a nut house for several months if you're suicidal, despite the fact that suicide has been legal since 1856 here.
2. You are supposed to obey the state without thinking. In dictatorships they use parades, salutations etc for that purpose, in "democracies" they legislate common sense or even things that make no sense, like the seat belt law or environmentalism ad absurdum.
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also, when they continue to legislate common sense it makes it so people do not have to think for themselves so they don't. example: seat belt law. no fucking shit. give me the facts and show me the statistics which show me that wearing a seatbelt will likely save my life and i will wear one. why? because i am capable of making common sense decisions. but, when they tell you you have to and then punish you when you don't then you have completly taken away my rational thought on a certain subject. then, when they write a million similar laws then i wonder why i have to even think at all. and this is what they want.
The seat belt is likely to save your live - though in a situation where you would have been killed without it, you'd most probably survive as an invalid.
The seat belt law is there for two reasons:
1. The state needs its slaves. Saving lives is a self-purpose for the state. In Sweden you can be held in a nut house for several months if you're suicidal, despite the fact that suicide has been legal since 1856 here.
2. You are supposed to obey the state without thinking. In dictatorships they use parades, salutations etc for that purpose, in "democracies" they legislate common sense or even things that make no sense, like the seat belt law or environmentalism ad absurdum.
I wonder how they can hold you in a nut house if you're suicidal if suicide is legal?
I thought the reason suicide was against the law here was so they could lock you up if you wanted to do it.
Otherwise laws against suicide make no sense. What are they going to do to you if you commit suicide, give you the death penalty?
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I wonder how they can hold you in a nut house if you're suicidal if suicide is legal?
Because there is another law that says that they can put you in a nut house if you are a threat "against yourself or others".
Being a threat to others is understandable as a reason, since it's a crime to attack other people, of course. Being a threat to yourself is absolutely nonsense, since it's not a crime.
We have something called "administrative courts" in Sweden. They have nothing to do with crime cases but handle such cases as when you're suicidal, appeal an authority decision etc. You can't appeal most authority decisions in Sweden to an ordinary court.
I thought the reason suicide was against the law here was so they could lock you up if you wanted to do it.
Otherwise laws against suicide make no sense. What are they going to do to you if you commit suicide, give you the death penalty?
Is suicide illegal in the US, then? Here it was illegal for religious reasons, and the punishment before 1856 was that you'd be buried in a distant corner of the cemetary or even outside it.
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I wonder how they can hold you in a nut house if you're suicidal if suicide is legal?
Because there is another law that says that they can put you in a nut house if you are a threat "against yourself or others".
Being a threat to others is understandable as a reason, since it's a crime to attack other people, of course. Being a threat to yourself is absolutely nonsense, since it's not a crime.
We have something called "administrative courts" in Sweden. They have nothing to do with crime cases but handle such cases as when you're suicidal, appeal an authority decision etc. You can't appeal most authority decisions in Sweden to an ordinary court.
I thought the reason suicide was against the law here was so they could lock you up if you wanted to do it.
Otherwise laws against suicide make no sense. What are they going to do to you if you commit suicide, give you the death penalty?
Is suicide illegal in the US, then? Here it was illegal for religious reasons, and the punishment before 1856 was that you'd be buried in a distant corner of the cemetary or even outside it.
I think it's a stupid law, but yes, I believe that it is.
Also, I believe that health insurance does not pay for medical treatment for suicide attempts.
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I think it's a stupid law, but yes, I believe that it is.
Also, I believe that health insurance does not pay for medical treatment for suicide attempts.
The state pays the health care for suicidal people in Sweden, though ironcally you pay a nominal hospital fee for being involuntarily in a nut house. It's about $150 or so a month. The real cost for being in a nut house here is like $200 a day, but the state obviously doesn't care. They can always raise the taxes a bit more. ::)
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also, when they continue to legislate common sense it makes it so people do not have to think for themselves so they don't. example: seat belt law. no fucking shit. give me the facts and show me the statistics which show me that wearing a seatbelt will likely save my life and i will wear one. why? because i am capable of making common sense decisions. but, when they tell you you have to and then punish you when you don't then you have completly taken away my rational thought on a certain subject. then, when they write a million similar laws then i wonder why i have to even think at all. and this is what they want.
The seat belt is likely to save your live - though in a situation where you would have been killed without it, you'd most probably survive as an invalid.
The seat belt law is there for two reasons:
1. The state needs its slaves. Saving lives is a self-purpose for the state. In Sweden you can be held in a nut house for several months if you're suicidal, despite the fact that suicide has been legal since 1856 here.
2. You are supposed to obey the state without thinking. In dictatorships they use parades, salutations etc for that purpose, in "democracies" they legislate common sense or even things that make no sense, like the seat belt law or environmentalism ad absurdum.
you make a great point by quoting me! 8)
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Seat belts and a lot of the other nanny state laws are pushed by the insurance companies to reduce claims and add to profits
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Seat belts and a lot of the other nanny state laws are pushed by the insurance companies to reduce claims and add to profits
Maybe in America but not here. The state is behind all nanny-ing here.
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Seat belts and a lot of the other nanny state laws are pushed by the insurance companies to reduce claims and add to profits
Maybe in America but not here. The state is behind all nanny-ing here.
Not saying the state has nothing to do with it but the insurance companies spend big bucks in Washington getting things they want
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Who the fuck doesn't wear seat belts?
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Who the fuck doesn't wear seat belts?
Idiots that want to be thrown through the windshield.
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It shouldn't be compulsory. It's an insult to people's intelligence making things like that compulsory.
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People who don't want to wear seatbelts don't have much intelligence to insult as it is.
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Where do you draw the line? Compulsory bicycle helmet for adults? Compulsory helmet when walking? Compulsory cushions around your body when walking?
We already have compulsory bicycle helmets for kids under 15 here.
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compulsary auto insurance?
seat belt, helmet and insurance laws went into effect and i haven't seen a drop in my premiums, yet the insurance companies are raking it in.
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We have compulsory bicycle helmets for adults here.
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compulsary auto insurance?
seat belt, helmet and insurance laws went into effect and i haven't seen a drop in my premiums, yet the insurance companies are raking it in.
Insurance companies are in the business of making money, not saving you money.
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compulsary auto insurance?
seat belt, helmet and insurance laws went into effect and i haven't seen a drop in my premiums, yet the insurance companies are raking it in.
It reminds me...a great deal of Sweden's power plants are hydro-electric. The state electric power company is even called Vattenfall -"Waterfall". Although its has rained and snowed more than normal for several years now, the electricity prices are going up constantly, despite the fact that the reservoirs should be more than full.
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We have compulsory bicycle helmets for adults here.
I will never wear one, never.
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compulsary auto insurance?
seat belt, helmet and insurance laws went into effect and i haven't seen a drop in my premiums, yet the insurance companies are raking it in.
Insurance companies are in the business of making money, not saving you money.
Reminds me of this song. It's a commie song but very true:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5vvrUrBuQQ
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We have compulsory bicycle helmets for adults here.
I will never wear one, never.
That's fine, doesn't mean they can make you wear a helmet. Just don't get caught, and when you do, pay the fine, or not.
Laws don't control people, they just spell out consequences.
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There are no pigs where I go biking.
But if I get caught, I will do something similar to when I got that speed ticket.
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There are no pigs where I go biking.
But if I get caught, I will do something similar to when I got that speed ticket.
What? Give the cop a blow job?
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::) Blew up a road sign. 8)
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::) Blew up a road sign. 8)
Did you tell the police that you did that? Or are you not brave enough?
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compulsary auto insurance?
seat belt, helmet and insurance laws went into effect and i haven't seen a drop in my premiums, yet the insurance companies are raking it in.
Insurance companies are in the business of making money, not saving you money.
it would be nice if they were a business where we had a choice to buy their product.
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::) Blew up a road sign. 8)
Did you tell the police that you did that? Or are you not brave enough?
I'm not a complete idiot. But anyway, the state lost about four times what they gained.
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compulsary auto insurance?
seat belt, helmet and insurance laws went into effect and i haven't seen a drop in my premiums, yet the insurance companies are raking it in.
Insurance companies are in the business of making money, not saving you money.
it would be nice if they were a business where we had a choice to buy their product.
So really it's more like a tax then.
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We have compulsory bicycle helmets for adults here.
Where I live, there are no helmet laws for adults on motorcycles but they are proposing bicycle helmet laws for children.
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We have compulsory bicycle helmets for adults here.
Where I live, there are no helmet laws for adults on motorcycles but they are proposing bicycle helmet laws for children.
We've got seatbelt laws, helmet laws for bicycles/motorcycles, and laws against using mobile/cell phones in cars (hands free kits are okay I think).
Plus we have brutal road safety tv ads here.
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We have compulsory bicycle helmets for adults here.
Where I live, there are no helmet laws for adults on motorcycles but they are proposing bicycle helmet laws for children.
We've got seatbelt laws, helmet laws for bicycles/motorcycles, and laws against using mobile/cell phones in cars (hands free kits are okay I think).
Plus we have brutal road safety tv ads here.
Like Sweden, except that people over 14 don't have to wear bicycle helmets and that it's actually legal to use the mobile/cell phone while driving.
They show brutal car accident movies in the schools here, when the kids are in their lower teens.
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http://www.youtube.com/TAC
Those are the ads we have/had on TV over here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Accident_Commission
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compulsary auto insurance?
seat belt, helmet and insurance laws went into effect and i haven't seen a drop in my premiums, yet the insurance companies are raking it in.
Insurance companies are in the business of making money, not saving you money.
a tax given to a private company. sounds like anti trust.
it would be nice if they were a business where we had a choice to buy their product.
So really it's more like a tax then.
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We have compulsory bicycle helmets for adults here.
Where I live, there are no helmet laws for adults on motorcycles but they are proposing bicycle helmet laws for children.
Same here but they don't enforce it
As per seat beat most here grew up with the law when I was young anything when even riding in the back of pick ups
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http://www.youtube.com/TAC
Those are the ads we have/had on TV over here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Accident_Commission
TAC is metal. :headbang2: I'm partial to those "No one thinks big of you" ads as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2nvAFOk7x0
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btw- there is an interesting read that i devoured about 15 years ago titled: the death of common sense.
find it and read it.
This is one of the few books out there that is recommended by both Rush Limbaugh and John Stewart. :nerdy: