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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: McGiver on October 24, 2006, 09:55:23 AM
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why, all of a sudden are they about one dollar less per gallon than they were about six months ago?
have our european friend seen a radical drop in gas prices?
could it be that we have elections in a couple of weeks....
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One US gallon of gas (3,8 liters) costs about US$6 or more here in Sweden and most of Europe, even more in some countries.
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Yes, it's so bad here that we're now considering selling our car to afford the gas...
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why, all of a sudden are they about one dollar less per gallon than they were about six months ago?
have our european friend seen a radical drop in gas prices?
could it be that we have elections in a couple of weeks....
Elections could be part of the reason. Also gas goes UP in the summer because a lot of people travel and they want to make money off them. I think after the summer's over, gas prices normally go down again. That's the pattern I've noticed out here at least.
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what a radical drop in prices.
my question is:
have our european friends seen the same drop in prices?
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No. But you would probably not win an election in Europe on lower gas prices, despite the fact that the gas is about twice as expensive as in the US. On the contrary, some environmental parties are getting votes by promising to raise the prices. Madness.
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Gas prices? What the fuck do I care for? I don't drive!
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I do. And the prices annoy me. A lot.
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No. But you would probably not win an election in Europe on lower gas prices, despite the fact that the gas is about twice as expensive as in the US. On the contrary, some environmental parties are getting votes by promising to raise the prices. Madness.
its just that the republican party (g.w. bush) has been taking a hammering over the gas prices. and their coddling of the oil companies when it was proved that they have been price gauging.
i suspect a sharp increase after the november elections.
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I do. And the prices annoy me. A lot.
Because, uh, you own a car, so it's blatantly obvious that you would get annoyed?
Me, I just like to walk and jog.
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I do. And the prices annoy me. A lot.
Because, uh, you own a car, so it's blatantly obvious that you would get annoyed?
Me, I just like to walk and jog.
Higher fuel prices affect you even if you never drive. They increase the transportation costs of almost everything you buy as well as your personal transportation costs if you fly or ride public transportation. Even if you personally do not pay more, it still costs more. Where I live the distances are huge, so walking my daughter to school would be nearly impossible, even if she did not have painful bunions on both her feet.
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I do. And the prices annoy me. A lot.
Because, uh, you own a car, so it's blatantly obvious that you would get annoyed?
Me, I just like to walk and jog.
Higher fuel prices affect you even if you never drive. They increase the transportation costs of almost everything you buy as well as your personal transportation costs if you fly or ride public transportation. Even if you personally do not pay more, it still costs more. Where I live the distances are huge, so walking my daughter to school would be nearly impossible, even if she did not have painful bunions on both her feet.
I rarely take a bus to... anywhere.
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No. But you would probably not win an election in Europe on lower gas prices, despite the fact that the gas is about twice as expensive as in the US. On the contrary, some environmental parties are getting votes by promising to raise the prices. Madness.
its just that the republican party (g.w. bush) has been taking a hammering over the gas prices. and their coddling of the oil companies when it was proved that they have been price gauging.
i suspect a sharp increase after the november elections.
I've been thinking the same thing...there will be some excuse for them to jump back up after the ellections.
The story we've been fed is that because the hurricane season is non-existant and suposedly things have cooled off on the middle-east that there is now a great surplus of fuel.
Fuel will go back up here.....it's just a question of when.
Europe......If I'm not mistaken, taxes make up a great majority of the cost of fuel in Europe.....upwards of 50-300% of total consumer cost is tax.
I saw a graph a few years ago (wish I could find it) that showed a few countries in Europe (Germany was one) that actually paid less for raw fuel then the USA did.....but once those counties added their tax into the cost of fuel to pass on to the consumer, the costs jumped way up into the 6, 7, 8 dollar range.
Also, with reguards to the USA, when one looks at the cost of fuel compared to the rate of inflation, fuel is right where it should be........it just stayed way to low for way too long.
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Europe......If I'm not mistaken, taxes make up a great majority of the cost of fuel in Europe.....upwards of 50-300% of total consumer cost is tax.
I saw a graph a few years ago (wish I could find it) that showed a few countries in Europe (Germany was one) that actually paid less for raw fuel then the USA did.....but once those counties added their tax into the cost of fuel to pass on to the consumer, the costs jumped way up into the 6, 7, 8 dollar range.
Correct. It's not the oil companies' prices that are high, at least not compared to the taxes. In Sweden more than 80% of the gas price is tax.
Norway has own oil wells in the North Sea, but there the gas costs even more than in Sweden.
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Fuel prices here in the UK have gone down from a high of almost £1 ($1.85ish/EUR1.40ish) a litre to 85p a litre over the last couple of months. It still isn't cheap, but its back to where it was before the spike at least.
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It's about the same price as in Sweden.
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My understanding is it has something to do with competition from oil production in Russia?
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Maybe. Russia has debts in Western Europe, but since it's a big and powerful country, even if it's weaker than the Soviet Union, the other countries don't dare to dump the prices to much, because in that case Russia might be very angry. So it's more accomodation than competition .
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It's not that easy for small countries. Ever since we lost our status as great European power about 300 years ago, Sweden has kissed either Russias, Germanys or Americas arse. :grrr:
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i'm glad they're high, and i hope they go even higher, because then there might be enough people screaming about price increases to get selfish bastards not to drive their car ten yards down the road, or to get one which is economical, rather than being a status symbol/penis substitute/wankmobile, thus fucking the environment. there is talk of the sharp rise in allergies/asthma/all sorts of common conditions being due to raised pollution and compromised immune systems, which is, obviously, caused in part by car exhaust fumes.
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I have a Volvo, European environmental class 2, the second most environmental friendly, which is just what I can afford. And I live 15 English miles from town. The next bus stop is 2 English miles away. And I don't think a 10 year old Volvo is what I'd call a wankmobile.
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i'm glad they're high, and i hope they go even higher, because then there might be enough people screaming about price increases to get selfish bastards not to drive their car ten yards down the road, or to get one which is economical, rather than being a status symbol/penis substitute/wankmobile, thus fucking the environment. there is talk of the sharp rise in allergies/asthma/all sorts of common conditions being due to raised pollution and compromised immune systems, which is, obviously, caused in part by car exhaust fumes.
i personally did the math last year and:
with the rebates you can get from the government coupled with the offset in gas prices, a hybrid vehicle would pay for itself in about 4 years; for my situation.
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Don't trust them. Here you can rebuild your car and drive it on 85% ethanol and 15% gas. Initially this E85 as it was called was pretty cheap, but then it turned out that:
1. As the E85 consists of 85% ethanol it's less powerful than pure gasoline. Ergo, your car will "drink" more E85 than pure gas.
2. After a lot of people converted their cars or bought new ones, built especially for E85, the companies raised the prices so it didn't pay off to drive on E85 any more.
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the hybrids that i am talking about are mostly batteries that use very little gas.
about 60-70 miles per gallon.
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i'm glad they're high, and i hope they go even higher, because then there might be enough people screaming about price increases to get selfish bastards not to drive their car ten yards down the road, or to get one which is economical, rather than being a status symbol/penis substitute/wankmobile, thus fucking the environment. there is talk of the sharp rise in allergies/asthma/all sorts of common conditions being due to raised pollution and compromised immune systems, which is, obviously, caused in part by car exhaust fumes.
I would so love to see you go at it with Jeremy Clarkson, the guy who claims that he eats environmentalists for breakfast.
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the hybrids that i am talking about are mostly batteries that use very little gas.
about 60-70 miles per gallon.
I've read the hybrids are not getting close to what the manufacturer claims.
VW diesels are where it's at.
Plenty of power and I'm averaging 40 mpg....it'll get 50+ on the highway...even higher if I drove the speedlimit :police:
Almost non-existant green house gass emissions, fuel is less refined which conserves energy and helps the environment, will run on bio-diesel made from used cooking oil.
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Personally I can't wait for gas to go down. My dually barely gets 10 mile to the gallon, and I'd like to get a class 3 RV as a tow vehicle for my race car. The motor home would likely get 6-8 mpg. At $3 per gallon, that would cost me over $200 just to tow my car To Las Vegas and back. Add in race entry fees, food, entertainment and misc. That could easily be a $800 weekend!!
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I don't see gas going down to $1.00 anymore though.
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I don't see gas going down to $1.00 anymore though.
Yeah i know, that sucks. Id be happy to see it a $2 a gallon though.
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I don't see gas going down to $1.00 anymore though.
Yeah i know, that sucks. Id be happy to see it a $2 a gallon though.
Yeah that would better than $3.00 a gallon gas for sure in the end.
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the lack of foresight, the ignorance, the selfishness and the irresponsbility continue to astonish me.
i fucking well give up with some people. part of me thinks they deserve everything that happens to them.
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Don't give up just yet.
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there's a march in london on saturday the 4th of november. i shall be going. here's some info about it:
http://www.campaigncc.org/
there's also info on the global campaign.
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Interesting... Thanks for the link.
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the lack of foresight, the ignorance, the selfishness and the irresponsbility continue to astonish me.
i fucking well give up with some people. part of me thinks they deserve everything that happens to them.
You must remember what happens to them effects all of Us in the end.
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you might want to remember that when all the low-lying cities on the eastern seaboard are under 20 feet of water, kevv. YOU must remember that events like the tsunami of 2004 and hurricane katrina last year are the end of a process which starts (in part) with your "$1 a gallon" petrol.
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hy-brid.
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Actually the tsunami happened for different reasons entirely, and the jury's still out on Katrina.
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seeing as he's american, i didn't think he'd be particularly interested in what was happening in places such as the eastern coast of the UK, and in bangladesh.
i used the examples above as i thought there might be a vague chance an american may know where they are. and this is going by all the things i'm informed about the media not covering much that happens outside of the US, and not a personal go at kevv.
thanks for the support...
as i said...
the lack of foresight, the ignorance, the selfishness and the irresponsbility continue to astonish me.
i fucking well give up with some people. part of me thinks they deserve everything that happens to them.
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I can understand that, but don't use examples that have nothing to do with gas prices. That's not helping the cause at all.
If you want a truly scary one, consider the report from a week or two ago that said that in 70 years, a third or so of the globe will be barren, with about as much water as the Gobi desert.
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you might want to remember that when all the low-lying cities on the eastern seaboard are under 20 feet of water, kevv. YOU must remember that events like the tsunami of 2004 and hurricane katrina last year are the end of a process which starts (in part) with your "$1 a gallon" petrol.
As I said $1.00 gas is a thing of the past I believe and will not come back if ever in the end. I don't even drive anymore either walk or use public transportation or cab here and there.
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seeing as he's american, i didn't think he'd be particularly interested in what was happening in places such as the eastern coast of the UK, and in bangladesh.
i used the examples above as i thought there might be a vague chance an american may know where they are. and this is going by all the things i'm informed about the media not covering much that happens outside of the US, and not a personal go at kevv.
thanks for the support...
as i said...
the lack of foresight, the ignorance, the selfishness and the irresponsbility continue to astonish me.
i fucking well give up with some people. part of me thinks they deserve everything that happens to them.
The part in bold comes across to me as a personal go at Kevv, even if you did not intend it that way, Lucifer.
The underlined part comes across to me as a dig at all Americans in general.
What some Europeans do not seem to understand is how huge the distances are here in the US and some of them seem to think that it would be practical for us to walk everywhere rather than driving, and if we don't we are ignorant, selfish and irresponsible, which I think is a bit snobbish of them.
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the hybrids that i am talking about are mostly batteries that use very little gas.
about 60-70 miles per gallon.
I've read the hybrids are not getting close to what the manufacturer claims.
VW diesels are where it's at.
Plenty of power and I'm averaging 40 mpg....it'll get 50+ on the highway...even higher if I drove the speedlimit :police:
Almost non-existant green house gass emissions, fuel is less refined which conserves energy and helps the environment, will run on bio-diesel made from used cooking oil.
Diesels pump out a lot of particulates, which particularly affects cyclists, since they share lanes with diesel buses and taxis. Being stuck behind an old bus as it pulls out from the bus stop and ejects a billowing cloud of black soot is hardly a pleasant experience, and leaves my lungs feeling like they've been coated in filth (which, incidentally, they have).
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seeing as he's american, i didn't think he'd be particularly interested in what was happening in places such as the eastern coast of the UK, and in bangladesh.
i used the examples above as i thought there might be a vague chance an american may know where they are. and this is going by all the things i'm informed about the media not covering much that happens outside of the US, and not a personal go at kevv.
thanks for the support...
as i said...
the lack of foresight, the ignorance, the selfishness and the irresponsbility continue to astonish me.
i fucking well give up with some people. part of me thinks they deserve everything that happens to them.
The part in bold comes across to me as a personal go at Kevv, even if you did not intend it that way, Lucifer.
The underlined part comes across to me as a dig at all Americans in general.
What some Europeans do not seem to understand is how huge the distances are here in the US and some of them seem to think that it would be practical for us to walk everywhere rather than driving, and if we don't we are ignorant, selfish and irresponsible, which I think is a bit snobbish of them.
I don't be a bit snobbish gas price here in the U.S. will never though go below $1.00 a gallon in the U.S. either anymore. If it was a personsonal dig at Me Lucifer You are wrong I believe for I look beyond it all in the end. It will all effect Us in the in end too. For that is how this worlds works does it not. We have gas cheaper here than Europe always have too. But China and India have stopped that and now consume more oil and gas today Russia has become a bigger producer of oil Than Saudi Arabia today too. We can maybe blame the Russians for lower oil prices in the U.S.. Not the political climate here in the U.S. in the end. It is matter prospective Lucifer is it not. To Me it not matters Who is right or wrong it how it is in the end. Nothing more than that. Prices could have gone down here in the U.S. because of demand or supply here in the U.S.. China and India have become the newest consumers of oil today in this world. So $1.00 a gallon gas here in the U.S. will never be seen any that is how I see it. Europe has done it differently right or wrong it is done differently. That is what matters here in America not in Europe in the end. Read what I say carefully all.
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You are right Peter when it comes to diesel. Even in America they are as will in Europe working on them. Diesel those is less polluted than gas cars even tho diesel smells worse than gas cars do and they do in the end do they. No matter how big or small they maybe in the end. Diesel smells badly.
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We need to work away from gas and oil the sooner the better for Us All In the End.
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I don't think this is a simple enough issue that we can say one view point is completely right and one point is completely wrong. I think its wrong to assume that the reason all people use their cars is because they are too lazy too walk, because in some cases its just not possible. Since they keep cutting back public transport here in the UK it isn't always possible to walk. As an example, there is one bus an hour here that we could use to take our kids to school (its too far to walk) and even if we were able to get them ready to set off 45 minutes earlier (and then hang around in the rain, etc till it was time for school) it wouldn't do much good since they've stopped the buses at school times (oh and they've also stopped them from town at the time when a lot of people are finishing work). Yes, we could change our kids school to one that was within walking distance- but the nearest one isn't one that anyone would chose to send theirs kids to if they had a choice.
However, I agree that there are too many people making unneccessary car journeys- when we lived in the same village as their school, people who lived a 3-5 minute walk away from the school were still driving their kids to school everyday. People nipping to the local shop, at the most a 5 minute walk away (and for some who did it only 2 minutes) were still going in their cars. To me, that is just wrong and is lazy.
But to say that people are selfish for wanting fuel prices to come down is completely unfair. When its a struggle to make ends meet and you have times regularly when using your car is the only real option open to you of course you're going to be glad when fuel prices fall slightly. It doesn't mean that you don't care about environmental issues, it just means that you realise that we don't live in a pefect world and sometimes the 'better' option isn't open to you.
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We need to work away from gas and oil the sooner the better for Us All In the End.
Agreed, which is why I think the real villians in all this aren't the people who use their cars, its the fuel companies who refuse to help with or even try to hinder research into alternative fuels. We live in a world where people are expected to be able to drop their kids off at school or day care at a fixed time and then rush off to work. We live in a world where public transport is poor and more expensive in many cases than travelling by car. To call those people who use their cars the bad guys is just wrong and helpfully deflects the blame away from those who really need the finger pointing at them.
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It is how We all do it together that matters to Me. How We can learn together as a World Community to work together to Me. In this endeavour for Us all here on this Earth that We all Live on in the end. Together no matter what are differences maybe. That what matters to Us All does it not. I Like to be Green like the other but realisticity like the other too. Europe has never seen it as Americans have they not it is the problem We all have is it not in the end. Together We have this problem do We not. How can We All come together to a understanding that is what matters to Me in the end.
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What some Europeans do not seem to understand is how huge the distances are here in the US and some of them seem to think that it would be practical for us to walk everywhere rather than driving, and if we don't we are ignorant, selfish and irresponsible, which I think is a bit snobbish of them.
Even if Sweden is just a little bit bigger than California, the distances here are pretty huge outside the cities too. So the Swedes at least should understand it. I, for example, live 15 English miles from the nearest town, and I live pretty down south. In northern Sweden houses can be situated tens of English miles from each other! And our gas hasn't costed $1/ liter for over 10 years. One US gallon is 3.8 liters...
But then again, I disagree with other Europeans on most things. They're naïve suckers, who think gun "control" is something that's supposed to keep people from hurting and killing each other, when it in fact is to make people obedient, helpless cowards vs Big Brother. They think that gas prices are for the sake of environment and not out of the greed of the state or the oil companies. And they think muslims can be talked with in a reasonable, logic way... ::)
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But You are less in population Litigouis than California in Sweden that's not fair is it not.
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Considered that we are fewer than in California, the gas prices here should be lower than those in California, since the distances are huger, don't you think? But even European countries with their own oil fields, like Norway, have higher prices on gas then the US have ever had.
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We need to work away from gas and oil the sooner the better for Us All In the End.
Agreed, which is why I think the real villians in all this aren't the people who use their cars, its the fuel companies who refuse to help with or even try to hinder research into alternative fuels. We live in a world where people are expected to be able to drop their kids off at school or day care at a fixed time and then rush off to work. We live in a world where public transport is poor and more expensive in many cases than travelling by car. To call those people who use their cars the bad guys is just wrong and helpfully deflects the blame away from those who really need the finger pointing at them.
and the politicians (ie:gw bush) who are in the feul companies back pockets.
and the was that feul IS a necessity in everyday life and the fact that they fluctuate feul prices so radically as to cut into a regular persons savings, or disposable income.
its simplyt an excess tax to the multitudes that we already pay.
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But then again, I disagree with other Europeans on most things. They're naïve suckers, who think gun "control" is something that's supposed to keep people from hurting and killing each other, when it in fact is to make people obedient, helpless cowards vs Big Brother... And they think muslims can be talked with in a reasonable, logic way... ::)
i take it this is completely tongue in cheek? and i agree with the bit i excised, although with the qualification that it isn't an "either/or" thing, but both.
i'm not suggesting that people who really need cars should be penalised by higher fuel prices. it's the same as usual - the situation (and, hence, the solution) has to be taken as a whole, which means non-reliance on oil, AND ensuring decent public transport systems, fair wages and salaries, proper support for parents and children (and single people), etc., etc., etc. looking at things piecemeal just means no-one will do anything, cos there's always a reason not to (and i mean "reason", not "excuse").
as for the alleged dig at americans, as callaway and kevv mentioned above - perhaps, then, someone could explain why it is i have the understanding that the media in the US concentrates almost exclusively on the US. i believe someone even posted somethig to that effect on here, somewhere.
Read what I say carefully all.
i did, and i can't understand most of it. al i got from it is that you want to blame russia and india and china for stuff. that's still not taking responsiblity for one's own behaviour, in my book.
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i take it this is completely tongue in cheek? and i agree with the bit i excised, although with the qualification that it isn't an "either/or" thing, but both.
I meant literally what I said. The average American may be dumb and ignorant about anything outside his own country, compared with the European, but the Europeans are over-civilized jerks, who believe that one can talk sense to a criminal or a terrorist and that it isn't a human right to defend oneself with which means that are ever necessary.
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as for the alleged dig at americans, as callaway and kevv mentioned above - perhaps, then, someone could explain why it is i have the understanding that the media in the US concentrates almost exclusively on the US. i believe someone even posted somethig to that effect on here, somewhere.
I'll try to explain, since I am the one who said it. Kevv did not. You said this:
i used the examples above as i thought there might be a vague chance an american may know where they are.
I said that statement came across to me as a dig at Americans because I thought you were saying that Americans were too ignorant of geography to even know where Bangladesh and the Eastern coast of the UK are and there was only a vague chance we would know where the Eastern Seaboard of the US is, where New Orleans, Louisiana and the US Gulf Coast are, or where Indonesia, Sri Lanka, India, Thailand and South Africa are (the areas most strongly affected by the Tsunami of 2004, which was caused by an earthquake of magnitude 9.0 which happened in the Indian Ocean and has nothing at all to do with fossil fuel consumption or global warming, by the way). Just how ignorant do you think we are to believe we would accept such a fallacious argument? Some of us may be just as intelligent as you are, even if we were born in the US.
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Read what I say carefully all.
i did, and i can't understand most of it. al i got from it is that you want to blame russia and india and china for stuff. that's still not taking responsiblity for one's own behaviour, in my book.
The world is consuming more oil China and India have become consumers too. China will yet surpass even America one day. Russia is producing more oil everyday. Even China has become the biggest polluter in this world today not America. Facts are facts. Blame $1.00 gas I think is going to far in the end.
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And [the Europeans] think muslims can be talked with in a reasonable, logic way... ::)
They can. The majority of muslims are just as peaceful as the majority of Christians, atheists, ... And just as logical. Or illogical.
Are you buying the bs from Bush, Blair, and "allies" to justify a war agains a fucking noun, or do you claim some originality regarding your statement?
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ladies and gentlemen....
the swedish alpha male showdown begins.
stay tuned.
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Actually he's pretty much pwned already... :P
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Are you buying the bs from Bush, Blair, and "allies" to justify a war
I though Bush and Blair where the good guys. ;) :eyebrows:
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They think so too, every now and then.
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They think so too, every now and then.
Yeah I know they do. :LOL:
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They can. The majority of muslims are just as peaceful as the majority of Christians, atheists, ... And just as logical. Or illogical.
Are you buying the bs from Bush, Blair, and "allies" to justify a war agains a fucking noun, or do you claim some originality regarding your statement?
I mean that religious people in general can't be reasoned with that much and fundamentalists at the least. And even if most muslims are peaceful, they're not protesting much against the minority of violent, more or less insane muslims. Millions of people in Europe and America are protesting against Bush and Blair. Are millions of muslims protesting against Usama bin Laden or Saddam?
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Millions of people in Europe and America are protesting against Bush and Blair. Are millions of muslims protesting against Usama bin Laden or Saddam?
Wow, good point.
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They can. The majority of muslims are just as peaceful as the majority of Christians, atheists, ... And just as logical. Or illogical.
Are you buying the bs from Bush, Blair, and "allies" to justify a war agains a fucking noun, or do you claim some originality regarding your statement?
I mean that religious people in general can't be reasoned with that much and fundamentalists at the least. And even if most muslims are peaceful, they're not protesting much against the minority of violent, more or less insane muslims. Millions of people in Europe and America are protesting against Bush and Blair. Are millions of muslims protesting against Usama bin Laden or Saddam?
Those are some very good points Litigious I agree 100% too.
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They can. The majority of muslims are just as peaceful as the majority of Christians, atheists, ... And just as logical. Or illogical.
Are you buying the bs from Bush, Blair, and "allies" to justify a war agains a fucking noun, or do you claim some originality regarding your statement?
I mean that religious people in general can't be reasoned with that much and fundamentalists at the least. And even if most muslims are peaceful, they're not protesting much against the minority of violent, more or less insane muslims. Millions of people in Europe and America are protesting against Bush and Blair. Are millions of muslims protesting against Usama bin Laden or Saddam?
While Saddam was in power, it was hard to say anything about him without being arrested. Iraqi muslims outside Iraq did protest, and it was mentioned in the news. Not enough, but that's probably because nobody listened to them. Bush and Blair are more visible because they have a lot more firepower.
Also, after 9/11, most muslims thought it was wise to just shut up--Bush and Blair both used the media to paint a picture of muslims as evil fundamentalists. And you bought it, apparently.
If you had followed the alternative news reporting, you would have seen a whole different picture. Did you read John Pilger's articles, for example?
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Also, after 9/11, most muslims thought it was wise to just shut up--Bush and Blair both used the media to paint a picture of muslims as evil fundamentalists. And you bought it, apparently.
No, that idea I already had. There is a small clique of really crazy fundamentalists but most of the "modest" muslims seem to be quiet followers.
If you had followed the alternative news reporting, you would have seen a whole different picture. Did you read John Pilger's articles, for example?
I've seen that as well, but I don't know what to believe. I think any religious maniacs are just maniacs. On the other hand, I don't think that Bush and Blair are doing anything for anyone else but for themselves. But however, I can't sympatize with islam.
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How about http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/?
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Yes, war is always, brutal, dirty and has very few, if any, noble purposes.
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Are millions of muslims protesting against Usama bin Laden or Saddam?
for saddam hussein - well, of course they weren't. not live ones, anyway. and as for bin laden: some were, yes. the popular media weren't too keen on highlighting theose people, though, of course. i heard plenty who were. i believe it depends on which news reports you listen to/watch/read.
i agree that all fundamentals - religious, cultural, political, ideological - are well-named: they're mental. and, thereby, dangerous. by that, i do mean the leaders, as most of the followers tend to be easily-influenced sheep, rather than psychotic maniacs.
there are several things about islam i have problems with, but then there isn't a belief/lifestyle system in the world i don't have a problem with, for one reason or another. no need to paint everyone the same, though, just cos the nutters are the loudest and most explosive (literally). after all, if we judge everyone by the actions of a few, then all we people with AS are likely to be will freunds (which is exactly a year ago today, by the way).
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That guy on WP? Only heard a little about it.
If I'd been an American, it could have been me. As a teenager I probably wouldn't have hesitated to buy guns and use them against the bullies that made my life a living hell if it'd been so easy as in the US. I really think bullies deserve to die or, even better, get crippled for life. They're trying to kill their victims, if even not directly, and are often successful, at least by killing them mentally. But the US system of "justice" would have had even less understanding for an AS vengeancing on his bullies than the Swedish.
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Ask why gas companies are making record profits every quarter (http://finance.google.com/finance?q=XOM check out the income statements of the related companies, as well) and I think you'll have your answer.
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Ask why gas companies are making record profits every quarter (http://finance.google.com/finance?q=XOM check out the income statements of the related companies, as well) and I think you'll have your answer.
pikkachoo.
forgive me, i had to sneeze while reading this thread.
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Ok, gas prices are just about going down. The went down US$.02 in the US average a couple days ago and has held steady. Election day is tomorrow and that will bring prices up. As well, with the dip in prices came a 40% increase (on average; Ford saw an 18% increase while Toyota saw a 74% increase, etc.) in SUV sales for the quarter so as demand for gas increases thanks to these jackasses, so will price.
On a related note, hybrid sales went down 8%. Apparently the American public is incapable of thinking ahead.
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Apparently the American public is incapable of thinking ahead.
Very, very true.
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locally, gas prices have gone up 14 cents per gallon since tuesdays elections.
i just heard a snippet on the news saying gas prices are rising.
no shit. they must be pissed that the republicans got their asses handed to them. fucking price gaugers.
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locally, gas prices have gone up 14 cents per gallon since tuesdays elections.
i just heard a snippet on the news saying gas prices are rising.
no shit. they must be pissed that the republicans got their asses handed to them. fucking price gaugers.
Word up niggah!!
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locally, gas prices have gone up 14 cents per gallon since tuesdays elections.
i just heard a snippet on the news saying gas prices are rising.
no shit. they must be pissed that the republicans got their asses handed to them. fucking price gaugers.
Nah, this shit happens every election year... politicians do what they can to lower gas prices to put people in a good state of mind in regard to whoever is in power then prices go right back up again by the end of the month. Expect that it will get higher than before with the increase in gas-guzzler sales and the Texas oil driller explosion.
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locally, gas prices have gone up 14 cents per gallon since tuesdays elections.
i just heard a snippet on the news saying gas prices are rising.
no shit. they must be pissed that the republicans got their asses handed to them. fucking price gaugers.
Nah, this shit happens every election year... politicians do what they can to lower gas prices to put people in a good state of mind in regard to whoever is in power then prices go right back up again by the end of the month. Expect that it will get higher than before with the increase in gas-guzzler sales and the Texas oil driller explosion.
wrong!
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Gas is gas and We all need it don't We.
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Gas is gas and We all need it don't We.
yes, now may i please have a second helping of refried beans.
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locally, gas prices have gone up 14 cents per gallon since tuesdays elections.
i just heard a snippet on the news saying gas prices are rising.
no shit. they must be pissed that the republicans got their asses handed to them. fucking price gaugers.
Nah, this shit happens every election year... politicians do what they can to lower gas prices to put people in a good state of mind in regard to whoever is in power then prices go right back up again by the end of the month. Expect that it will get higher than before with the increase in gas-guzzler sales and the Texas oil driller explosion.
wrong!
Well, I can prove my statements beyond the shadow of a doubt but just for the sake of argument, care to elaborate?
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i did in my original post.
the republicans have been taking a beating in the press over coddling the oil companies and their price gauging. also, they have recieved a fair bit of jack for their campains from the oil companies.
it was obvious that the reason the gas prices were going down was because they were trying to make that a non voting issue against the republicans.
you said that this always happens. i disagree. the fact that gas prices went down locally about $1.10 a gallon versus six months ago is unusual.
also, gas prices do tend to go down after summer due to supply and demand; but not at this rate. and the 14 cents rise in two days since the elections is BS. also, the threat that they will rise again.
the facts add up. if you can provide me with concrete stats that are comparable, then i will take back my position. however, i tend to believe polls, since they are skewed generally towards those that they advantage.
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Not a problem. I'll look em up in a little while but I've been around long enough to notice how gas prices just happen to drop suddenly every other November. If you honestly think that democrats don't have their paws in the corporate cookie jar then you're seriously naive.
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Good point Cryono. The lobbyists for the oil companies like to hedge their bets. I would not be at all surprised if they gave large campaign contributions to both candidates in the same election.
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Not a problem. I'll look em up in a little while but I've been around long enough to notice how gas prices just happen to drop suddenly every other November. If you honestly think that democrats don't have their paws in the corporate cookie jar then you're seriously naive.
oh, you have the wrong person if you think i am naive.
the drop in gas prices prior to this election is unprecedented. over $1.00 per gallon. even if you ar interested in sheer percentage numbers it remains true.
also, the hot topic around the country is Bush and oil interests (prior to the election)
finally, i am predicting an unusual spike as well in gas prices.
yes, each politician has their hand in the cookie jar, however G. Bush has an unhealthy interest in oil. and, i believe that a vote for a democrat this past election, was in fact, a vote against george w. bush.