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Start here => What's your crime? Basic Discussion => Topic started by: The_P on July 18, 2007, 07:35:09 AM
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Is anyone else going through this? I can't seem to get myself to be engrossed in topics like I used to, nor am I inclined to deliver any worthwhile input. My flaming techniques have suffered drastically as well.
It's a shame because this place is like a second home to me, rather than just another message board I go to.
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Is anyone else going through this? I can't seem to get myself to be engrossed in topics like I used to, nor am I inclined to deliver any worthwhile input. My flaming techniques have suffered drastically as well.
It's a shame because this place is like a second home to me, rather than another message board I go to.
Everyone seems to be relatively nice to each other.
Maybe if I start talking about how scum sucking guys can be, we can start an argument?
But wouldn't you rather just huggle me?
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I've been feeling a bit of that too- since I've been away (and before when I was too busy to spend much time on here) I feel lost sometimes- whether that's down to there being a lot of people I don't know here now or me being emo I don't know. Any other message board and I would have just stopped logging in by now, but like you this place feels like a second home so I can't tear myself away.
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I've been feeling a bit of that too- since I've been away (and before when I was too busy to spend much time on here) I feel lost sometimes- whether that's down to there being a lot of people I don't know here now or me being emo I don't know. Any other message board and I would have just stopped logging in by now, but like you this place feels like a second home so I can't tear myself away.
Maybe the demise of Lit was a shame in some way too? His comments seemed to always get a rise up.
And I suppose the boys have gone a bit soft lately now there are a few girls around. Maybe that's it.
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I don't think its just the lack of drama- I think in some ways we seem to have gone back to when we first started with all the bitching about WP (which I understand serves a purpose for those newly shafted by Alex), but with out the big fights we used to have. Maybe we respect each other too much to go picking fights now?
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I don't think its just the lack of drama- I think in some ways we seem to have gone back to when we first started with all the bitching about WP (which I understand serves a purpose for those newly shafted by Alex), but with out the big fights we used to have. Maybe we respect each other too much to go picking fits now?
Actually, the people who do piss me off, I couldn't be assed to pick a fight with to be honest.
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I don't think its just the lack of drama- I think in some ways we seem to have gone back to when we first started with all the bitching about WP (which I understand serves a purpose for those newly shafted by Alex), but with out the big fights we used to have. Maybe we respect each other too much to go picking fits now?
Actually, the people who do piss me off, I couldn't be assed to pick a fight with to be honest.
Yeah there's that as well :laugh:
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Well I've been thinking of submitting review topics based on the video games I've played, but I can't be arsed to do that either. It's probably because of my lack of confidence with writing reviews.
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Well I've been thinking of submitting review topics based on the video games I've played, but I can't be arsed to do that either. It's probably because of my lack of confidence with writing reviews.
But you were a cheeky little bastard when I first came here, now you seem like a different person altogether.
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Well I've been thinking of submitting review topics based on the video games I've played, but I can't be arsed to do that either. It's probably because of my lack of confidence with writing reviews.
Do it anyway- no-one here is going to judge you for not writing professional standard reviews.
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Well I've been thinking of submitting review topics based on the video games I've played, but I can't be arsed to do that either. It's probably because of my lack of confidence with writing reviews.
But you were a cheeky little bastard when I first came here, now you seem like a different person altogether.
Outward appearances can be deceptive.
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Well I've been thinking of submitting review topics based on the video games I've played, but I can't be arsed to do that either. It's probably because of my lack of confidence with writing reviews.
But you were a cheeky little bastard when I first came here, now you seem like a different person altogether.
I'm very surprised that you have recently caught onto the notion that I do indeed wear a mask when I act like a cocky bastard online. I've admitted this here god-knows how many times.
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Well I've been thinking of submitting review topics based on the video games I've played, but I can't be arsed to do that either. It's probably because of my lack of confidence with writing reviews.
But you were a cheeky little bastard when I first came here, now you seem like a different person altogether.
I'm very surprised that you have recently caught onto the notion that I do indeed wear a mask when I act like a cocky bastard online. I've admitted this here god-knows how many times.
Possibly, but it took me a while to realise some people changed their names regularly. When I started here, you were Islam's Comedy Flamer....so never related any Pea references to you whatsoever - probably for at least a month or two even I never realised.
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i've been feeling a little like that myself, with all the WP stuff, etc. having said which , i've also had some stonking times rampaging round the board team tagging with various people.
must... cure... I2... addiction...
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Well I've been thinking of submitting review topics based on the video games I've played, but I can't be arsed to do that either. It's probably because of my lack of confidence with writing reviews.
Do it anyway- no-one here is going to judge you for not writing professional standard reviews.
I'd like to get some feedback over how my reviews are written, though.
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Well I've been thinking of submitting review topics based on the video games I've played, but I can't be arsed to do that either. It's probably because of my lack of confidence with writing reviews.
Do it anyway- no-one here is going to judge you for not writing professional standard reviews.
I'd like to get some feedback over how my reviews are written, though.
Yeah I can understand that- do you worry that any criticism about them you might get might knock your confidence too much (cos that's one of the fears I have about stuff like that)?
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Well I've been thinking of submitting review topics based on the video games I've played, but I can't be arsed to do that either. It's probably because of my lack of confidence with writing reviews.
Do it anyway- no-one here is going to judge you for not writing professional standard reviews.
I'd like to get some feedback over how my reviews are written, though.
Yeah I can understand that- do you worry that any criticism about them you might get might knock your confidence too much (cos that's one of the fears I have about stuff like that)?
As long as the criticism doesn't come with personal attacks based on my intelligence, I don't mind the feedback.
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I've been feeling some of that posting apathy lately, too. I read the threads but reply less than I used to. Sometimes I write a complete post before deleting it and moving on to the next topic.
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can't imagine why... :angel:
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Me too, but I think thats partly cos its too fucking warm - I'm too tired to be arsed. Plus I'm currently sharing out my tiny attention span between here and zOMG so my posting rate is even lower than usual. I've also started skipping any thread in which calandale is the last poster cos almost everything he says annoys the piss out of me lately.
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can't imagine why... :laugh:
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I've been feeling some of that posting apathy lately, too. I read the threads but reply less than I used to. Sometimes I write a complete post before deleting it and moving on to the next topic.
Gawd, I have done that dozens of times in the last month. Not sure why.
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can't imagine why... :angel:
and neither can i... :P
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can't imagine why... :angel:
and neither can i... :P
don't be clever, or i'll remind you. :P
:evillaugh:
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I'm in the middle of a posting apathy time right now. Unless something "grabs" me or my attention, I have a real hard time thinking of things to say. Plus, I'm having a lot of things going on IRL and the stuff that occasionally pops into my head that some people like, isn't popping in at the moment.
Pea, you should do reviews of games and your interests. I'd be happy to critique, but, except for computer card games, I wouldn't have a clue about what you were writing about. So I'd be no help there!
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Me too, actually. It seems like I have to keep up with the WP bullshit to be able to interact with the core group here, which is kind of sucky because IDGARA, really, and anyway there's nothing new or useful to be said about WP. To make a very obvious observation (and to state a good part of why it's especially frustrating): People seem to need to be burned by Alex personally to "get" what those of us who have experienced it already know and have been saying all along, which is frustrating on more levels than I want to bother making note of. ::)
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Isn't that the way of humanity, you can tell, advise, till your blue in the face. But, most people don't get it until they're "burned" or hurt in the process. Since my daughter turned into a teen and a bit before that, she does the same thing. So I continue to speak my piece and if she still does it with bad results. I stifle, the urge to say, "I told you so" and just make sure she's ok in the end. Now, I just let her talk her way thru the experience in as supportive manner as I can muster. Being protective is one thing, it's a struggle for me to NOT be over protective.
The people who get burned by his royal nibs and his gestapo chief, obviously have to learn it the hard way. And then vent it out of their system......................eventually.
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I've been feeling a bit of that too- since I've been away (and before when I was too busy to spend much time on here) I feel lost sometimes- whether that's down to there being a lot of people I don't know here now or me being emo I don't know. Any other message board and I would have just stopped logging in by now, but like you this place feels like a second home so I can't tear myself away.
Maybe the demise of Lit was a shame in some way too? His comments seemed to always get a rise up.
And I suppose the boys have gone a bit soft lately now there are a few girls around. Maybe that's it.
who you calling soft. i show you a high hard one.
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Pea, write the game reviews and I am sure most of us will give you constructive criticism.
Yeah these forums haven't been too confrontational lately (well Richard was trying for a bit). That makes things less interesting obviously and drama gives people a reason to post. I am sure we all will find things in the future worth disagreeing about.
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I've been feeling a bit of that too- since I've been away (and before when I was too busy to spend much time on here) I feel lost sometimes- whether that's down to there being a lot of people I don't know here now or me being emo I don't know. Any other message board and I would have just stopped logging in by now, but like you this place feels like a second home so I can't tear myself away.
Maybe the demise of Lit was a shame in some way too? His comments seemed to always get a rise up.
And I suppose the boys have gone a bit soft lately now there are a few girls around. Maybe that's it.
who you calling soft. i show you a high hard one.
No, you have gone soft too....who'd have thought it?
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Pea, you should post your reviews, and any comments try to understand that sometimes when you write something you get so caught up in the idea of what you want to say it's hard to step back and read it objectively. Please think about it.
God, I fuck up my own two sentence posts sometimes!
I agree with Dunc re Cal, Cal's posts have just been uber irritating to me...consistently.
I think the veiled attempts to pretend like he gives a fuck to interact properly have shit me to tears also.
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I've been feeling a bit of that too- since I've been away (and before when I was too busy to spend much time on here) I feel lost sometimes- whether that's down to there being a lot of people I don't know here now or me being emo I don't know. Any other message board and I would have just stopped logging in by now, but like you this place feels like a second home so I can't tear myself away.
Maybe the demise of Lit was a shame in some way too? His comments seemed to always get a rise up.
And I suppose the boys have gone a bit soft lately now there are a few girls around. Maybe that's it.
who you calling soft. i show you a high hard one.
No, you have gone soft too....who'd have thought it?
fuck that lip service. why don't you put your mouth where my money is.
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I've been feeling a bit of that too- since I've been away (and before when I was too busy to spend much time on here) I feel lost sometimes- whether that's down to there being a lot of people I don't know here now or me being emo I don't know. Any other message board and I would have just stopped logging in by now, but like you this place feels like a second home so I can't tear myself away.
Maybe the demise of Lit was a shame in some way too? His comments seemed to always get a rise up.
And I suppose the boys have gone a bit soft lately now there are a few girls around. Maybe that's it.
who you calling soft. i show you a high hard one.
No, you have gone soft too....who'd have thought it?
I'm not so sure about the softy description.
Since we are metaphorically talking about an erect penis, let's expand the metaphor and include that of a compass, as well. I, for one, am extremely distracted in another direction, right now. I have been looking for work and spending a lot of time away and I have a rough time catching up when I do return. If you see me lurking, it is often my efforts to catch up on the day that you see. All I have left sometimes is a dickslap, but it's still hard.
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blimey. where does that leave me and the other women?
i don't want a penis !!!
well, not, in the sense... sort of... erm... oh, you know what i mean. >:(
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Pea, you should post your reviews, and any comments try to understand that sometimes when you write something you get so caught up in the idea of what you want to say it's hard to step back and read it objectively. Please think about it.
This is true.
Pea, I know that you have rejected every attempt I have made to support you, but once again and still, I believe you have a lot to offer. You should just do it and see what happens. Post your reviews!
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blimey. where does that leave me and the other women?
i don't want a penis !!!
well, not, in the sense... sort of... erm... oh, you know what i mean. >:(
Oh, please, you have any number of anatomical pointing devices you can use, which would be gender specific if the metaphor is inapplicable.
Oooh, that was my post number 6969.
8)
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:P
better get the ice cubes out, then. :P
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I've been feeling a bit of that too- since I've been away (and before when I was too busy to spend much time on here) I feel lost sometimes- whether that's down to there being a lot of people I don't know here now or me being emo I don't know. Any other message board and I would have just stopped logging in by now, but like you this place feels like a second home so I can't tear myself away.
Maybe the demise of Lit was a shame in some way too? His comments seemed to always get a rise up.
And I suppose the boys have gone a bit soft lately now there are a few girls around. Maybe that's it.
who you calling soft. i show you a high hard one.
No, you have gone soft too....who'd have thought it?
fuck that lip service. why don't you put your mouth where my money is.
Strangely, I find wallets unattractive to suck dry.
Although guys ass cracks showing at the top of their pants are called coin slots here...
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I've been feeling a bit of that too- since I've been away (and before when I was too busy to spend much time on here) I feel lost sometimes- whether that's down to there being a lot of people I don't know here now or me being emo I don't know. Any other message board and I would have just stopped logging in by now, but like you this place feels like a second home so I can't tear myself away.
Maybe the demise of Lit was a shame in some way too? His comments seemed to always get a rise up.
And I suppose the boys have gone a bit soft lately now there are a few girls around. Maybe that's it.
who you calling soft. i show you a high hard one.
No, you have gone soft too....who'd have thought it?
fuck that lip service. why don't you put your mouth where my money is.
Strangely, I find wallets unattractive to suck dry.
Although guys ass cracks showing at the top of their pants are called coin slots here...
feeling lucky?
why don't you put a coin in and pull on my lever!
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/notices the apathy seems to have lifted, for at least some of us. :laugh:
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I was going to reply to this thread earlier, but.... eh. <shrugs>
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/notices the apathy seems to have lifted, for at least some of us. :laugh:
i just don't appreciate being called soft. somehow, i always rise to the occasion.
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I was going to reply to this thread earlier, but.... eh. <shrugs>
LOL !
:plus:
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I was going to reply to this thread earlier, but.... eh. <shrugs>
The scary thing is that this is how I felt just now.
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feeling better now then? something's cheered you up? :eyelash:
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I've been experiencing posting apathy, but then, I've been experiencing extreme apathy in general, as a side-effect of these meds.
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I've had a case of who gives a fuck for a while now. Things were better when forum politics were still fascinating, when I'd only heard Cal once, when I thought more people wanted to use this place to fight, when Lucifer posted more of substance than sex banter (or maybe that was my imagination), when people found me more interesting (it's all about meeee :-P ), and when less of the cool people were apathetic.
The new influx of people is good though.
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I was going to reply to this thread earlier, but.... eh. <shrugs>
The scary thing is that this is how I felt just now.
Yeah, I skipped it several times, this morning. I gotta plus Telsabitch for making the words happen.
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I've had a case of who gives a fuck for a while now. Things were better when forum politics were still fascinating, when I'd only heard Cal once, when I thought more people wanted to use this place to fight, when Lucifer posted more of substance than sex banter (or maybe that was my imagination), when people found me more interesting (it's all about meeee :-P ), and when less of the cool people were apathetic.
yep, mea culpa, and all that. i used to post things of substance, i dare say, but i come on here to play now - i have enough stress everywhere else in my life, so this is where i come to entertain myself.
sorry if that doesn't suit - you can always engage me in debate on my thread.
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Yeah, all these newbies are good to come on board! It gives an alternative to all these mid life crises happenings/sexual banteringsgoingons yadda yadda yadda. My wife does find them amusing looking over my shoulder, however, sooooooo............carry on! :laugh:
I still don't know what I want to be when I grow up, so I haven't hit my midlife crisis yet. :P
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yep, mea culpa, and all that. i used to post things of substance, i dare say, but i come on here to play now - i have enough stress everywhere else in my life, so this is where i come to entertain myself.
Actually I'm surprised that you hang out here at all, since I thought you were originally against this place. Or did the promise of attention overcome your inhibitions?
sorry if that doesn't suit
:laugh: I seriously doubt that.
you can always engage me in debate on my thread.
Invitation noted :) though I'm hopeless at starting new interesting topics, much better at throwing my two cents into somebody else's argument.
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yep, mea culpa, and all that. i used to post things of substance, i dare say, but i come on here to play now - i have enough stress everywhere else in my life, so this is where i come to entertain myself.
Actually I'm surprised that you hang out here at all, since I thought you were originally against this place. Or did the promise of attention overcome your inhibitions?
nah. like i said, i wanted somewhere to play, and show another side of me.
sorry if that doesn't suit
:laugh: I seriously doubt that.
;)
you can always engage me in debate on my thread.
Invitation noted :) though I'm hopeless at starting new interesting topics, much better at throwing my two cents into somebody else's argument.
fair shout. i'll see what i can come up with... :eyebrows:
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I suspect that some of it has
to do with the quantity of posts.
It's far easier to skim when there
are a lot. Harder to give a shit.
It will come to the point where one
might even want some order, to help
group the threads that one is most interested
in.
But, growth is like that.
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I have already mentioned this. I don't know if it is feasible, but some software allows a member to create a custom homepage view of your favorite articles or areas. I don't know if this set-up could be adapted or not.
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I have already mentioned this. I don't know if it is feasible, but some software allows a member to create a custom homepage view of your favorite articles or areas. I don't know if this set-up could be adapted or not.
There are mods to SMF (http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/) that could probably make browsing here easier. Some might be worth a look if we continue to grow.
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I have already mentioned this. I don't know if it is feasible, but some software allows a member to create a custom homepage view of your favorite articles or areas. I don't know if this set-up could be adapted or not.
There are mods to SMF (http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/) that could probably make browsing here easier. Some might be worth a look if we continue to grow.
grow?
we are still waiting for our testicles to drop.
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Most of the mods work when the testicles have dropped. :P
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i'm not waiting for mine to drop.
::)
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I've had a case of who gives a fuck for a while now. Things were better when forum politics were still fascinating, when I'd only heard Cal once, when I thought more people wanted to use this place to fight, when Lucifer posted more of substance than sex banter (or maybe that was my imagination), when people found me more interesting (it's all about meeee :-P ), and when less of the cool people were apathetic.
yep, mea culpa, and all that. i used to post things of substance, i dare say, but i come on here to play now - i have enough stress everywhere else in my life, so this is where i come to entertain myself.sorry if that doesn't suit - you can always engage me in debate on my thread.
I have to agree. When I first came here in May I think it was, I was working from home on short projects and I had the luxury of spending lots of time here and was really engaged. Now work is full throttle, I come here really to relax.
In addition, I've noticed that a lot of people have been 'off' lately.
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I've noticed that a lot of people have been 'off' lately.
What are you implying???
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I have already mentioned this. I don't know if it is feasible, but some software allows a member to create a custom homepage view of your favorite articles or areas. I don't know if this set-up could be adapted or not.
There are mods to SMF (http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/) that could probably make browsing here easier. Some might be worth a look if we continue to grow.
I saw the "Bookmarks" add-on and I wonder if that would work similarly to a custom view. I also wonder if it has to be global.
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Haven't tried it. :-\
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Haven't tried it. :-\
I'm scared to, without you holding my hand.
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*ahem*
you'll have to see me about the rates for hand-holding, DD. you can't borrow him for free, you know. :police:
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I see his as a solitary agent status has been co-opted ...
Anyway, it was my hand I was talking about having him hold and only through some new terrain.
I will still have one hand free to take up the slack.
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choose me! ooh, ooh, choose me!
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Hey! >:(
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well, you're holding the other hand. don't start. anyway, we can play behind his back. :eyebrows:
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you're just saying it to cheer me up :'(
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::) sighs...
do. not. start.
or i'll 'ave you. :P
er...
no, wait!
or i won't 'ave you.
( :eyebrows: )
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:o
I won't! Promise! I won't!
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:-*
so, who's holding what now, then? ???
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I see very little posting apathy in this thread.
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I think I lost my posting apathy. :green:
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so, who's holding what now, then? ???
I'm holding on. :P
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I've noticed that a lot of people have been 'off' lately.
What are you implying???
I meant as in not their usual selves, bit of apathy, basically just what we are talking about here. That's all.
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I think I lost my posting apathy. :green:
Wish I could ...
::)
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I think I lost my posting apathy. :green:
Wish I could ...
::)
Me too- I like your posts.
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I'm not quite apathetic yet, but I was gone for a day or so and am trying to read the minimum amount of threads necesary to not be lost on the i2 political bullshit.
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I'm not quite apathetic yet, but I was gone for a day or so and am trying to read the minimum amount of threads necesary to not be lost on the i2 political bullshit.
There's political bullshit?? :o
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I'm not quite apathetic yet, but I was gone for a day or so and am trying to read the minimum amount of threads necesary to not be lost on the i2 political bullshit.
There's political bullshit?? :o
Dunno. I haven't read through enough yet to be sure.
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Couldn't be bothered?? :laugh:
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I'm not quite apathetic yet, but I was gone for a day or so and am trying to read the minimum amount of threads necesary to not be lost on the i2 political bullshit.
There's political bullshit?? :o
Dunno. I haven't read through enough yet to be sure.
Wake me up, if there is.
But I don't think ANYONE
gives a shit enough for it to
be the case.
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I appear to still have some apathy. But The Legend II was on telly and was surprisingly ace. Nobody spoil it by telling me it wasnt supposed to be a comedy.
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Couldn't be bothered?? :laugh:
:laugh:
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Couldn't be bothered?? :laugh:
:laugh:
:laugh: no, i was working my way down the board.
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Couldn't be bothered?? :laugh:
:laugh:
:laugh: no, i was working my way through the members.
fixed. :-*
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Meh
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Meh
:'( :-*
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i'm milla and i have posting apathy.
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i'm milla and i have posting apathy.
I wonder if its spreading like a virus? :'(
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I think I lost my posting apathy. :green:
and you found your posting whoring?
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I think I lost my posting apathy. :green:
and you found your posting whoring?
Yeah- I wonder if that's an STD?? :laugh:
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i'm milla and i have posting apathy.
chorus:
hello milla
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:LMAO:
wait! what were you doing on here and i didn't know!?
:bigcry:
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:LMAO:
wait! what were you doing on here and i didn't know!?
:bigcry:
He found an open wifi, but it probably didn't last long.
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:'(
still, mustn't complain, i s'pose...
hang on a sec...
actually, yeah - i MUST!!! :bigcry:
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My posting apathy is back. There's nothing here that is worthwhile for to me to partake in an intellectual discussion -- hence the constant one-liners.
Not saying "Intensity is teh sux00rs10101" or anything like that.
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I see very little posting apathy in this thread.
Oxymoron, go figure.
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I wonder if I should wish for my posting apathy back? I'm becoming an addict again. :laugh:
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I have to admit that I am getting some apathy towards posting here and elsewhere as well. It isn't just the intelligent discussion factor either. I will most likely be on the internet during work and that is it, nighttime I will be doing different stuff for the most part. The weird thing is I am feeling apathetic towards almost everything, so I am not sure what I will enjoy doing. Maybe I should just sleep a lot.
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I'm hoping my apathy will improve when I come off these meds.
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I see very little posting apathy in this thread.
Oxymoron, go figure.
Truly, a work of modern art.
:clap:
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i'm hoping you come off those meds soon, Peter.
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I see very little posting apathy in this thread.
Oxymoron, go figure.
Truly, a work of modern art.
:clap:
Patronising pillock.
"Just you wait until I become mayor." - Jeffrey Archer
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Irritating, is it?
I am indeed a carrier ...
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Irritating, is it?
I am indeed a carrier ...
No; you're about as irritating as a block of wood.
A carrier of what? Why they find your cryptic behaviour funny as fuck, I don't know.
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Irritating, is it?
I am indeed a carrier ...
No; you're about as irritating as a block of wood.
A carrier of what? Why they find your cryptic behaviour funny as fuck, I don't know.
Because we're all in a secret club you don't know about: The Lobotomy Buddies.
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Irritating, is it?
I am indeed a carrier ...
No; you're about as irritating as a block of wood.
A carrier of what? Why they find your cryptic behaviour funny as fuck, I don't know.
Because we're all in a secret club you don't know about: The Lobotomy Buddies.
Didn't laugh -- not once.
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Irritating, is it?
I am indeed a carrier ...
No; you're about as irritating as a block of wood.
A carrier of what? Why they find your cryptic behaviour funny as fuck, I don't know.
Because we're all in a secret club you don't know about: The Lobotomy Buddies.
Didn't laugh -- not once.
Of course not. Your prefrontal cortext is still intact.
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My knowledge on the human body sucks ass.
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I'm imaging your knowledge in a personified way, and your metaphor as literal, but I can't think of a way to make it sound funny, because I have been lobotomized.
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"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, then a frontal lobotomy!"
Something I remember from college part one. :P
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I'm imaging your knowledge in a personified way, and your metaphor as literal, but I can't think of a way to make it sound funny, because I have been lobotomized.
My head hurts from all this cryptic bullshit. :'(
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aren't you supposed to lose your sense of humor with lobotomy?
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aren't you supposed to lose your sense of humor with lobotomy?
My guess is that she's being sarcastic about being lobotomized because I don't find MarkingDawg funny. That, or her way to inspire me to concoct the notion that I'm slow on the uptake -- a reference to being lobotomized.
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maybe you are lobotomized. :P
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No, I'm just not nearly at top form, is all.
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Lobotomies are scary. I'd hate for anything bad to happen to my brain.
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you should'nt take strattera. :P
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you should take strattera. :P
:P I take straterra every day. You trying to say that I get lobotomized by it? I know some of my meds hold me back creatively that much is for sure. I am pretty sure Peter took a form of straterra and it didn't work so well haha.
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dammit. i meant you shouldn't take strattera. :P i drank wine.
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i fixed it sort of.
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dammit. i meant you shouldn't take strattera. :P i drank wine.
suuure blame teh booze :P j/k
too bad I quoted it for posterity haha.
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you should take strattera. :P
:P I take straterra every day. You trying to say that I get lobotomized by it? I know some of my meds hold me back creatively that much is for sure. I am pretty sure Peter took a form of straterra and it didn't work so well haha.
I'm conducting a little experiment with my Straterra. Here's a copy and paste from my journal:
I've also come to suspect that atomoxetine only works for about 7% of the caucasian population; the 7% identified as 'slow metabolisers' in the double-blind trials. For these slow metabolisers, not only is the drug's half-life is increased from 5 hours to 24 hours, but there's also a 5-fold increase in peak plasma concentration.
"Atomoxetine is well-absorbed after oral administration and is minimally affected by food. It is eliminated primarily by oxidative metabolism through the cytochrome P450 2D6 (CYP2D6) enzymatic pathway and subsequent glucuronidation. Atomoxetine has a half-life of about 5 hours. A fraction of the population (about 7% of Caucasians and 2% of African Americans) are poor metabolizers (PMs) of CYP2D6 metabolized drugs. These individuals have reduced activity in this pathway resulting in 10-fold higher AUCs, 5-fold higher peak plasma concentrations, and slower elimination (plasma half-life of about 24 hours) of atomoxetine compared with people with normal activity [extensive metabolizers (EMs)]. Drugs that inhibit CYP2D6, such as fluoxetine, paroxetine, and quinidine, cause similar increases in exposure."
Also, the published literature on atomoxetine only claims a 'statistically significant' benefit, rather than providing even minimally detailed quantative data on the benefits, and if only 7% of patients responded favourably to the drug, it would still be a statistically significant result, assuming a reasonable sample size.
My suspicion is reinforced by the anecdotal reports of people on the ADHD site; the ones who found that atomoxetine worked well for them experienced an intense euphoria soon after taking it, and the euphoria reportedly lasts all day long for them, with them describing the drug as being 'always on'; something that should not occur if the drug had a 5 hour half-life in their systems, but which would occur with a 24 hour half-life. There are other reports on other sites, of people experiencing constant euphoria for 3 months on atomoxetine. For me, the fatigue and other mental side-effects of atomoxetine only last for 8 hours after taking it, which is consistent with a 5 hour half-life. Also, the only time I experienced euphoria was when I switched from 40mg to 80mg, and then it was only for a few hours on the day of the switch, further leading me to believe that it's only effective in poor metabolisers, or individuals who're taking CYP2D6 inhibitors.
This raises the possiblity of an intriguing experiment. I have some paroxetine (a CYP2D6 inhibitor) left over from my unsuccessful trial with it, so taking it together with atomoxetine could replicate the effects of being a slow metaboliser, and provide evidence for or against my theory. It's presumably fairly safe to do (according to my standards of safety, at least), since people who're naturally poor metabolisers come to no harm.
Actually, upon looking online, it seems someone's already studied the issue:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20040176466.html. I've already taken the paroxetine and atomoxetine though.
Some excerpts from the study:
"Atomoxetine is primarily metabolized in humans by cytochrome P450 2D6 (CYP2D6). Cytochrome P450s generally comprise the major enzymes responsible for oxidative metabolism of drugs (Eichelbaum and Gross, Pharmacol. Ther., 46, 377 (1990)). The CYP2D6 enzyme specifically has a wide range of activity within human populations, with inter-individual rates of metabolism differing by more than 10,000 fold (McElroy, et al., AAPS Pharmsci. 2000, 2(4), Article 33 (http://www.pharmsci.org)). Most individuals are extensive metabolizers, able to metabolize CYP2D6 substrates extensively, whereas 7-10% of Caucasian individuals are poor metabolizers, producing no functional CYP2D6 enzyme. Poor metabolizers across all populations, including Asians and African Americans, comprise 2-10% (DeVane, The American Journal of Medicine, 97(Suppl. 6A), 6A-19S (1994)). A human pharmacokinetic study of atomoxetine revealed two distinct classes of kinetic disposition (Farid, et al., The Journal of Clinical Pharmacology, 25(4), 296-301 (1985)). In a majority of patients, atomoxetine exhibited a mean half-life of 4.5.+-.1.1 hours, whereas atomoxetine had a half-life of 17.1 and 21 hours in two patients."
"Inter-individual variability in drug metabolism poses a challenge in predicting dosing, safety, and efficacy of a drug. Pharmacokinetic factors, as well as substantial intersubject pharmacodynamic variability, have been proposed as a factor in cases of therapeutic failure of methylphenidate (DeVane, et al., Journal of Clinical Psychopharmacology, 20(3), 347 (2000)). In a recent study, atomoxetine was demonstrated to be robustly better than placebo in the treatment of ADHD, regardless of whether the patients' CYP2D6 status was as an extensive or poor metabolizer. Surprisingly, poor metabolizer ADHD patients demonstrated a greater response to atomoxetine treatment, most improving to the point of being clinically asymptomatic."
I wonder here if observed 'improvement' of extensive metaboliser patients came from reduced hyperactivity and anxiety through the sedating and apathy-inducing effects on those individuals.
It's about 30 minutes on now, and all I feel is the heartburn of the atomoxetine and the fatigue I get from both atomoxetine and paroxetine. I wonder how long it takes for the paroxetine to inhibit the CYP2D6 pathway. It may take until my next dose of atomoxetine to notice any effects.
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So you are trying to make yourself a slow metaboliser so the drug actually effects you in a more efficient manner? Sounds interesting. I wouldn't mind hearing more, since they doulbed my straterra dosage I noticed no difference whatsoever.
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So you are trying to make yourself a slow metaboliser so the drug actually effects you in a more efficient manner? Sounds interesting. I wouldn't mind hearing more, since they doulbed my straterra dosage I noticed no difference whatsoever.
I noticed no difference when I doubled my dosage from 40mg to 80mg, except for the first day, when I was a bit high for a few hours. Taking the paroxetine with it could be equivalent to a 5-fold increase in the dosage; possibly substantially more. I'm definitely feeling something now; there's fatigue there, but also a focused feeling, and a tingling sensation at the back of my head. The results will be complicated a bit by the effects of the paroxetine, which I find induces a lot of fatigue on it's own, so presumably I'll feel more fatigued than a natural poor metaboliser would.
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I would hate to see how much I slept if I was more fatigued lol. I already sleep too much at every opportunity I get.
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Most meds I've taken have made me very tired. Fluoxetine, paroxetine, sertraline, venlafaxine, lofepramine, mirtazapine, cetirizine and atomoxetine have all made me feel tired. Mirtazapine's ok though, since it's a more pleasant, stoned sort of tired, and is quite mild now that I'm used to it, whereas the other ones all gave me horrible urgh kinds of tiredness.
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Every antidepressant I have taken has made me tired. Zoloft mainly, but Effexor did also. I did not take Prozac for long. Lamictal and Depakote when I first started taking them did make me drowsy somewhat. Zoloft just had the mother of all withdrawal effects.
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aren't you supposed to lose your sense of humor with lobotomy?
My guess is that she's being sarcastic about being lobotomized because I don't find MarkingDawg funny. That, or her way to inspire me to concoct the notion that I'm slow on the uptake -- a reference to being lobotomized.
Nah, you just seem to have a slightly lower measure of compassion for some of the lower functioning, like myself. Case in point: my response to your telling me this thread was an oxymoron. I somehow missed that that was a spank. Most people recognize that my education is lacking and I am in over my head most of the time, but someone here usually throws me a rope every time I get into trouble. I may not be able to interpret as well as some and it is easy to tell when I miss the point, so the collective of sympathy shows itself, each time. I am a baby bird in a nest protected from the cuckoo.
Either that or maybe some of us have lost our youthfully exuberant, bright-eyed idealism, which you seem to be capable of replenishing constantly in yourself. I am in awe.
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Lower-functioning? Are you taking the piss? You may be currently unemployed, but you have a family, some talents that I don't have, and earned the respect some people I know of here on Intensity.
Refrain from the bullshit. I know I'm a tool at times, but I'm not that big of a tool.
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You should know peaguy that you can't judge people by appearances.
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Refrain from the bullshit. I know I'm a tool at times, but I'm not that big of a tool.
I'd say 'tis a fairly large tool
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Refrain from the bullshit. I know I'm a tool at times, but I'm not that big of a tool.
I'd say 'tis a fairly large tool
Oh, hush up. No-one asked a non-sensical bird.
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Lower-functioning? Are you taking the piss?
Hell, no.
I don't expect you or anyone to understand, but I recognize that there are many who are having similar times.
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it is the summer and it is guilt.
many of our australian friends have more free time on their hands due to the weather.
we feel guilty for not taking advantage of this beautiful weather....not me, but you do.
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What beautiful weather? :laugh:
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it is the summer and it is guilt.
many of our australian friends have more free time on their hands due to the weather.
we feel guilty for not taking advantage of this beautiful weather....not me, but you do.
Shit, you think I haven't drawn my garden back from the grave of winter a bit and worn myself to a nub throwing the kids in the pool?
(I have pecks, instead of moobs, again!)
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:'(
still, mustn't complain, i s'pose...
hang on a sec...
actually, yeah - i MUST!!! :bigcry:
:-*
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:'(
still, mustn't complain, i s'pose...
hang on a sec...
actually, yeah - i MUST!!! :bigcry:
:-*
:-*
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you should'nt take strattera. :P
Or zyprexa.
Every antidepressant I have taken has made me tired. Zoloft mainly, but Effexor did also. I did not take Prozac for long. Lamictal and Depakote when I first started taking them did make me drowsy somewhat. Zoloft just had the mother of all withdrawal effects.
I'm feeling competitive. Let's hear about this withdrawal.
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Well I didn't mean to be competitive, just it made me want to kill myself more than I had wanted to in several years prior. Basically I was overcome with depression that was not related to anything specific in my life. I locked myself in my room for 4 days while living in a fraternity house, sleeping and crying hysterically mostly (I almost never cry at all). Keeping yourself locked in your room in a frat house is very hard to do with fraternity brothers knocking on your door asking you to come do shit with them and party. Finally my big brother Dante (fraternity) called my parents and had them come down to UCF to see if they could get me out of my room.
I have had bouts of depresssion before that were very intense, but I would at least let people talk to me. At the very worst I don't answer my door and phone for one or two days normally. I would have kept inside my room for much longer probably but I had to go to the bathroom and they were outside waiting for me. Tried to be very strategic about when I would leave my room to go to the bathroom and get food, but I failed in the end and people intervened. I was more depressed when I tried to kill myself years later, but that was motivated by actual reasons and not just total chemical depression.
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Well I didn't mean to be competitive, .....
It's always a competition ...
I feel worse than you do. In fact, I can't feel you at all from here. :smarty:
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Well I didn't mean to be competitive, .....
It's always a competition ...
I feel worse than you do. In fact, I can't feel you at all from here. :smarty:
Why do you think so? Sharing common experiences is a way people can help eachother sometimes. If anything that should warn people to not take themselves off of Zoloft without a doctor's advice. I know two other people who had eerily similar experiences with Zoloft withdrawal.
I am sorry you feel bad, even though I know you are joking. :P
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I'm glad you recognize that I was joking. I actually feel great today! Spinning some tunes, rough-housing with my daughter ...
Yesterday, at this time, I was in my thirty sixth hour of a migraine.
:violin:
It's completely gone, now.
I had a terrible time with Zoloft from the beginning to the end of the withdrawals and I was only on it for less than a year.
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zoloft did shitsquiddle for me in the end, it might have improved my mood, i dunno. i never had trouble with withdrawal, actually i've never had trouble with withdrawal with any med. not prozac, not zoloft, not cipramil... i had trouble remembering to take them shit pills that they were, no effects whatsoever except cipramil gave me a GREAT coupla weeks feeling like i was high all the time, totally stoned. i loved that shit. but then i started to feel groggy and crappy.
i never get physically addicted to anything. they say speed and valium's supposed to be addictive, not really. neither is booze. it's just they're so good you take them as long as the good effects overpower the bad. i don't classify that as addiction.
i guess that didn't make any sense.
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shitsquiddle ? :plus:
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zoloft did shitsquiddle for me in the end, it might have improved my mood, i dunno. i never had trouble with withdrawal, actually i've never had trouble with withdrawal with any med. not prozac, not zoloft, not cipramil... i had trouble remembering to take them shit pills that they were, no effects whatsoever except cipramil gave me a GREAT coupla weeks feeling like i was high all the time, totally stoned. i loved that shit. but then i started to feel groggy and crappy.
i never get physically addicted to anything. they say speed and valium's supposed to be addictive, not really. neither is booze. it's just they're so good you take them as long as the good effects overpower the bad. i don't classify that as addiction.
i guess that didn't make any sense.
Actually, it does make sense, but I think a lot of people would say that when the good or high effects from most things stop or decrease is when the addiction begins. That would be particularly true if you increased your dosage to offset the acquired tolerance, instead of stopping them completely.
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shitsquiddle ? :plus:
:laugh:
:agreed:
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Yeah, I plussed you for that one, too.
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Milla's magical.
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Milla's magical.
Sometimes, I wish she knew how magical, but the fact that she does not know is part of her magic. I wouldn't want to fuck that up.
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Oh joy, I'v been made an Admin. ahead of time because of some fucking little retard, fucktwit, douchebag (my apologies to all douche bags), shithead, twunt, poseur, hoser, idiot (Hey, atomicsicko, your village called they want their idiot back.), loser, gutterdweller, basement bombadier, asshole, legend in his own mind, homo stupidians, blah, blah blah.
I dearly, want to find out the name, address and picture of this neoturdball and smash his computer with a sledge hammer, while his hands are still on the keyboards.
<END RANT>
I'll do my best and Callaway, this wasn't aimed at you! :-* :plus:
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You'll do fine, Ozy. :flame:
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We'll see, we'll see........................
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You'll do fine, Ozy. :flame:
:agreed:
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Actually, it does make sense, but I think a lot of people would say that when the good or high effects from most things stop or decrease is when the addiction begins. That would be particularly true if you increased your dosage to offset the acquired tolerance, instead of stopping them completely.
yeah true dat. addiction starts when you have more to lose than gain from it, imo.
Milla's magical.
Sometimes, I wish she knew how magical, but the fact that she does not know is part of her magic. I wouldn't want to fuck that up.
lol, thanks for the plusses, guys. i feel my magic leaving my body already... head is swelling... (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/sehrgrosse/large-smiley-012.gif)
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Looks more like it's spinning.
Don't worry. You'll forget whatever
conceit you may feel soon enough.
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neoturdball
now that's a word. (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/lachen/laughing-smiley-018.gif)
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Looks more like it's spinning.
Don't worry. You'll forget whatever
conceit you may feel soon enough.
that's good to know. :P
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You'll do fine, Ozy. :flame:
:agreed:
Oh gawd, yes!
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Well I didn't mean to be competitive, just it made me want to kill myself more than I had wanted to in several years prior. Basically I was overcome with depression that was not related to anything specific in my life. I locked myself in my room for 4 days while living in a fraternity house, sleeping and crying hysterically mostly (I almost never cry at all). Keeping yourself locked in your room in a frat house is very hard to do with fraternity brothers knocking on your door asking you to come do shit with them and party. Finally my big brother Dante (fraternity) called my parents and had them come down to UCF to see if they could get me out of my room.
I have had bouts of depresssion before that were very intense, but I would at least let people talk to me. At the very worst I don't answer my door and phone for one or two days normally. I would have kept inside my room for much longer probably but I had to go to the bathroom and they were outside waiting for me. Tried to be very strategic about when I would leave my room to go to the bathroom and get food, but I failed in the end and people intervened. I was more depressed when I tried to kill myself years later, but that was motivated by actual reasons and not just total chemical depression.
This really scares me. My daughter is taking Zoloft and she seems to be doing well on it, but when she eventually needs to stop taking it this could happen to her.
Did you slowly taper the dosage, or did you just stop taking it cold turkey?
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i think it's best to go off it slowly.
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I just went off of it totallly cold turkey. That is a side effect of me having a manic episode from what I understand. I think not only is everything fine, but there is nothing wrong with me at all. Then I take myself off of all of my meds cold turkey. I have done this many times before I was DXd with Bipolar and gotten meds for it. I have also taken myself off of Depakote cold turkey as well, no withdrawal effects there fortunately. Getting a doctor to help you taper off of it slowly is the best solution as Milla/Bjork said.
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i always cold turkey it too. i'm too impatient to taper off. :P but i never get withdrawal. so i'm speshial. :P
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Well I didn't mean to be competitive, just it made me want to kill myself more than I had wanted to in several years prior. Basically I was overcome with depression that was not related to anything specific in my life. I locked myself in my room for 4 days while living in a fraternity house, sleeping and crying hysterically mostly (I almost never cry at all). Keeping yourself locked in your room in a frat house is very hard to do with fraternity brothers knocking on your door asking you to come do shit with them and party. Finally my big brother Dante (fraternity) called my parents and had them come down to UCF to see if they could get me out of my room.
I have had bouts of depresssion before that were very intense, but I would at least let people talk to me. At the very worst I don't answer my door and phone for one or two days normally. I would have kept inside my room for much longer probably but I had to go to the bathroom and they were outside waiting for me. Tried to be very strategic about when I would leave my room to go to the bathroom and get food, but I failed in the end and people intervened. I was more depressed when I tried to kill myself years later, but that was motivated by actual reasons and not just total chemical depression.
:/ You win. I thought I was going to die from my zyprexa withdrawal (I honestly did at a couple points) but I never wanted to. I tapered pretty slowly, though.
I know you weren't being competitive. I've been a bit of an asshole the past month or so (well, OK, all my life, but more so the past month.)