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Title: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: Adam on November 20, 2011, 03:30:07 PM
in a restaurant, are you meant to still leave a tip somehow?
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: 'Butterflies' on November 20, 2011, 03:36:17 PM
I just pay the right ammount with my card, and leave a cash tip on the table.

Im sure you can pay it with your card, but that might be awkward for the person youre trying to tip.
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: Queen Victoria on November 20, 2011, 03:37:16 PM
Yes.  Just because you don't pay in cash, doesn't mean the server didn't work.  It's possible it can be added to the amount debited amount by the cashier.

You wrote restaurant, not fast food place.  If it's a FFP, then no.
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: 'Butterflies' on November 20, 2011, 03:47:26 PM
I dont think anyone tips fast food takeaways here. Never seen or heard of someone tipping in McDonalds.
Pizza Hut seems to be in the middle, and people tip the workers there though.
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: 'andersom' on November 20, 2011, 03:51:01 PM
@ QV, I'm not sure, but I think tipping in the UK is a token of appreciation, not a part of the income of the waiter. Not sure about that.
Here, in the Netherlands, all costs of preparing and serving are included in the price of what you eat. When enjoying the food, or the waiting, one can tip on top of that, as a bonus. It is not rude, or robbing someone from a proper income, to not tip.
Some places collect all the tips, to do something nice for all of the workers now and then. USA idea of tipping is very different from that, if I understand correctly.

@ Adam, I think the tip is best in physical money.
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: Adam on November 20, 2011, 03:52:56 PM
um I wrote restaurant yes, because I meant restaurant

I wouldn't leave a tip in McDonalds or something, except pizza hut yeh
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: Adam on November 20, 2011, 03:59:35 PM
and yeh afaik tipping is totally different in the US, so I meant in British restaurants
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: Parts on November 20, 2011, 04:08:55 PM
Here there is a place on the servers ticket to put the amount of the tip.
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: Psychophant on November 20, 2011, 04:33:39 PM
Here there is a place on the servers ticket to put the amount of the tip.

Yes.
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: Scrapheap on November 20, 2011, 04:43:14 PM
I just pay the right ammount with my card, and leave a cash tip on the table.


I've done that too, and been burned. The restaurant added 15% on top of my cash tip. :tantrum:
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: 'Butterflies' on November 20, 2011, 06:27:22 PM
I just pay the right ammount with my card, and leave a cash tip on the table.


I've done that too, and been burned. The restaurant added 15% on top of my cash tip. :tantrum:

I wouldn't eat there again if they tipped themselves without telling me
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: Scrapheap on November 20, 2011, 07:40:49 PM
I just pay the right ammount with my card, and leave a cash tip on the table.


I've done that too, and been burned. The restaurant added 15% on top of my cash tip. :tantrum:

I wouldn't eat there again if they tipped themselves without telling me

I did eat there again, but i paid cash.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: Parts on November 20, 2011, 07:46:56 PM
I just pay the right ammount with my card, and leave a cash tip on the table.


I've done that too, and been burned. The restaurant added 15% on top of my cash tip. :tantrum:

I always wonder if those automatic tips are reflected in what the waitress actually earns or is it another way to suck more money from the customers
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: Psychophant on November 20, 2011, 07:59:26 PM
I just pay the right ammount with my card, and leave a cash tip on the table.


I've done that too, and been burned. The restaurant added 15% on top of my cash tip. :tantrum:

I always wonder if those automatic tips are reflected in what the waitress actually earns or is it another way to suck more money from the customers

The latter, waitresses are terribly underpaid. 
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: Parts on November 20, 2011, 08:03:17 PM
I just pay the right ammount with my card, and leave a cash tip on the table.


I've done that too, and been burned. The restaurant added 15% on top of my cash tip. :tantrum:

I always wonder if those automatic tips are reflected in what the waitress actually earns or is it another way to suck more money from the customers

The latter, waitresses are terribly underpaid.

Yeah I know it was what my wife did while in college but never at a place that tacked on a 15% tip automatically just at diners. On thing about credit/debit card tips they are automatically reported as income on your taxes :thumbdn:
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: P7PSP on November 20, 2011, 09:22:23 PM
I put the tip on the card unless I have cash for the tip.
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: Scrapheap on November 20, 2011, 10:17:24 PM
Hey, did you hear the one about the leper who got a BJ from a prostitute??

He said when he paid her...  keep the tip!!!  :autism:

:oneliner:
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: 'Butterflies' on November 20, 2011, 11:03:46 PM
Hey, did you hear the one about the leper who got a BJ from a prostitute??

He said when he paid her...  keep the tip!!!  :autism:

:oneliner:
:puke:
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: renaeden on November 21, 2011, 01:51:50 AM
^ Yeah that is gross.

In Australia we don't have to tip in restaurants but they usually have a tip jar next to where you pay after the meal. If I happen to have cash and really liked the food and service, then I will leave some money there.
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: El on November 21, 2011, 05:46:10 AM
In the US tips are assumed to be the major part of a waiter's income, I believe.  The upside is that's income that *can* be untaxed (dunno what they have to declare but I'm sure it's by and large underreported if reported at all).  The downside is it isn't' regular, they're underpaid, and also that it's untaxed (which creates issues in and of itself including doing nothing to contribute to future social security income).
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: P7PSP on November 21, 2011, 07:43:21 AM
In the US tips are assumed to be the major part of a waiter's income, I believe.  The upside is that's income that *can* be untaxed (dunno what they have to declare but I'm sure it's by and large underreported if reported at all).  The downside is it isn't' regular, they're underpaid, and also that it's untaxed (which creates issues in and of itself including doing nothing to contribute to future social security income).
Good point, some people don't have any other retirement than SSI.
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: Adam on November 21, 2011, 04:22:36 PM
That makes no sense to me. Isn't it the employer's duty to pay their wages?
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: 'andersom' on November 21, 2011, 05:46:02 PM
That makes no sense to me. Isn't it the employer's duty to pay their wages?

The US system really is different. I don't get it either. Almost looks as if the waiter is a kind of franchise holder in this arrangement.

's lands wijs, 's lands eer I guess. (Every country has it's own wisdom, and it's own sense of honour)
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: Parts on November 21, 2011, 06:07:55 PM
In Ct minimum wage for waitresses is some where between half and three quarters regular minimum,  tips are supposed to be reported on a weekly basis and that amount determines how much tax they take out of your check.  Of course they are under reported but if you are audited they look at your gross sales receipts so if you cheat really bad they can catch you in a way or at least know enough to look harder at everything else.  I do not miss the time when my wife was a waitress at all the pay was dependent on too many factors.  I would prefer a system where they were paid a reasonable wage and got tips mostly for exceptional service that said I myself have a tenancy to tip very well knowing how hard the job is and how little they can make at times.
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: Callaway on November 21, 2011, 08:22:19 PM
In Alabama, they pay servers $2.13 an hour and the servers are supposed to make up the difference between that and the minimum wage in tips, but that isn't always the case.  I think that they are supposed to report every cent of tips they make as taxable income and if it adds up to less than minimum wage in a pay period, the employer is supposed to make up the difference, but I don't think they always do.
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: Adam on November 21, 2011, 09:35:59 PM
wow. what a bullshit system
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: Callaway on November 21, 2011, 09:54:38 PM
 :agreed:

The $2.13 hourly wage plus tips is the federally mandated minimum wage for servers, but some states like Colorado have their own higher minimum wage.  Colorado's minimum wage for servers is $4.34 plus tips.
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: Zippo on November 22, 2011, 12:33:51 AM
here on my small little island i know 90% of the waiters at the resteraunts so when i go have a burger or chinese food or something i ask them "how much do you want for a tip" most of them know im horrible with math so they give me a number and i add it to the debit or pay for it myself... one of my old support workers said allways tip double the tax but i dont like tipping a tonne of money for a plate of frys from a burger joint... i try to tip at least tax though. [12%]
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: "couldbecousin" on November 22, 2011, 12:53:43 AM
 Waiting tables sucks and the pay system sucks worse.  I'm happy to tip.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: El on November 22, 2011, 06:00:00 AM
wow. what a bullshit system
Just one more thing that the U.S. does fucktardedly wrong.   :thumbup:
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: Parts on November 22, 2011, 06:58:06 AM
In theory it would work well but like many things that look good on paper it never does.
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: Phallacy on November 22, 2011, 02:51:11 PM
I don't see how it looks good on paper, either. :dunno:
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: Parts on November 22, 2011, 04:34:11 PM
I don't see how it looks good on paper, either. :dunno:
If the server does a good job and everyone tips appropriately you make pretty good money 
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: Adam on November 22, 2011, 07:16:57 PM
Either way, it is wrong that their EMPLOYERS aren't paying them at least minimum wage

Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: Scrapheap on November 22, 2011, 07:55:22 PM
here on my small little island i know 90% of the waiters at the resteraunts so when i go have a burger or chinese food or something i ask them "how much do you want for a tip" most of them know im horrible with math so they give me a number and i add it to the debit or pay for it myself... one of my old support workers said allways tip double the tax but i dont like tipping a tonne of money for a plate of frys from a burger joint... i try to tip at least tax though. [12%]

15% is usually plenty.
Title: Re: when you pay with a debit card in a
Post by: renaeden on November 22, 2011, 11:45:34 PM
I don't see how it looks good on paper, either. :dunno:
If the server does a good job and everyone tips appropriately you make pretty good money
But essentially it means the public is paying for most of the server's wages. In Australia, the employer does that. Any tips are a bonus.