This place is what the members make it and if this is the best that can be made of i2, I am far from impressed. I am thinking such poisonous thinking will lead, without being addressed by the membership, in good people leaving.
Have any people been leaving lately?Yeah; looking for one and sent you a pm about that. Oh, on the point of apathy, don't think you're being apathetic over this situation at all. Have always said if I have a major flaw in my character, it's my own apathy.
This place is what the members make it and if this is the best that can be made of i2, I am far from impressed. I am thinking such poisonous thinking will lead, without being addressed by the membership, in good people leaving.
It's already happening. This is a much different place than the forum I joined three and a half years ago.
This place is what the members make it and if this is the best that can be made of i2, I am far from impressed. I am thinking such poisonous thinking will lead, without being addressed by the membership, in good people leaving.
It's already happening. This is a much different place than the forum I joined three and a half years ago.
:agreed:This place is what the members make it and if this is the best that can be made of i2, I am far from impressed. I am thinking such poisonous thinking will lead, without being addressed by the membership, in good people leaving.
It's already happening. This is a much different place than the forum I joined three and a half years ago.
Then maybe it's time to have think about it and ask ourselves if we can do something better. For our own sakes.
And I'm really sad to see you leave MLA. Actually, I'm pretty gutted about the amount of good members who are leaving.
It is a shame that one cannot fully open up here, without having that information used against them at a later point but shit happens, I guess.That's not a special trait of I2; that's people, so really don't mind that part at all because it's expected.
(This isn't supposed to be a criticism, just an acknowledgement that I2 isn't and never was a support site.)Was thinking about this more, and have to disagree. There certainly is support here, and know some also make the close connections hubert mentioned. It is kind of sad if somone seeks that here and doesn't get it at all.
People come and go. It's the very nature of the place and of life in general. You just have to get used to it.
It is a shame that one cannot fully open up here, without having that information used against them at a later point but shit happens, I guess. It's the way this place has always been and to say that this has only arisen now, is a big fat lie. As long as you don't come here with grand expectations of a warm and open community that will embrace your faults and cheer you on when you're down, I don't see the problem ??? (This isn't supposed to be a criticism, just an acknowledgement that I2 isn't and never was a support site.)
I use this place as an escape from daily life and a way to communicate with a bunch of people who know how it feels life to be awkward and spazzy in real life. 'Tis probably one of the few online places where I can freely joke about my lack of a social life and not be met with complete derision :laugh:
Anyway, most of what I'm writing will probably fall on deaf ears so I'll stop now.
/steps off podium
(This isn't supposed to be a criticism, just an acknowledgement that I2 isn't and never was a support site.)Was thinking about this more, and have to disagree. There certainly is support here, and know some also make the close connections hubert mentioned. It is kind of sad if somone seeks that here and doesn't get it at all.
I do agree with you on this, but there seems to be a bit of a pack mentality here as of late.Never really know what to think when the pack mentality thing comes up. Some say pack; some say individuals with the same grief. Did you see the Steve thing as a pack? A couple of the members of that pack have left, so can't help but maybe say no from my own view.
You think there's no real friedships or genuine support here?(This isn't supposed to be a criticism, just an acknowledgement that I2 isn't and never was a support site.)Was thinking about this more, and have to disagree. There certainly is support here, and know some also make the close connections hubert mentioned. It is kind of sad if somone seeks that here and doesn't get it at all.
I politely disagree.
not for everyone :)You think there's no real friedships or genuine support here?(This isn't supposed to be a criticism, just an acknowledgement that I2 isn't and never was a support site.)Was thinking about this more, and have to disagree. There certainly is support here, and know some also make the close connections hubert mentioned. It is kind of sad if somone seeks that here and doesn't get it at all.
I politely disagree.
You think there's no real friedships or genuine support here?(This isn't supposed to be a criticism, just an acknowledgement that I2 isn't and never was a support site.)Was thinking about this more, and have to disagree. There certainly is support here, and know some also make the close connections hubert mentioned. It is kind of sad if somone seeks that here and doesn't get it at all.
I politely disagree.
That's true. Some also don't seek it, which is true of me.not for everyone :)You think there's no real friedships or genuine support here?(This isn't supposed to be a criticism, just an acknowledgement that I2 isn't and never was a support site.)Was thinking about this more, and have to disagree. There certainly is support here, and know some also make the close connections hubert mentioned. It is kind of sad if somone seeks that here and doesn't get it at all.
I politely disagree.
I do agree with you on this, but there seems to be a bit of a pack mentality here as of late.Never really know what to think when the pack mentality thing comes up. Some say pack; some say individuals with the same grief. Did you see the Steve thing as a pack? A couple of the members of that pack have left, so can't help but maybe say no from my own view.
You think there's no real friedships or genuine support here?(This isn't supposed to be a criticism, just an acknowledgement that I2 isn't and never was a support site.)Was thinking about this more, and have to disagree. There certainly is support here, and know some also make the close connections hubert mentioned. It is kind of sad if somone seeks that here and doesn't get it at all.
I politely disagree.
That's true. Some also don't seek it, which is true of me.not for everyone :)You think there's no real friedships or genuine support here?(This isn't supposed to be a criticism, just an acknowledgement that I2 isn't and never was a support site.)Was thinking about this more, and have to disagree. There certainly is support here, and know some also make the close connections hubert mentioned. It is kind of sad if somone seeks that here and doesn't get it at all.
I politely disagree.
There absolutely is, but that isn't the site's purpose. The friendships and support is from people sharing their personal experiences, and that is less likely to happen when people feel those details will be used against them.Yeah, I still don't know the purpose of this place outside of the purpose it serves for me, so just assume it's like that for others. Have to agree with the second sentence of your post though.
Same here, I have a bunch of good friends irl. And my ambulance crew is pretty tight. But, I feel pretty friendly and appreciate the support I got when my ribs got broken. And I can understand when MLA and others called me out for being arrogant. Other then that, I don't expect much here, except to understand myself a little better and to figure out wtf I'm doing. :autism:Don't have any friends, but it's nice to interact. I really suck at it in real life, online too sometimes.
I didn't see it as pack mentality, at least not from my side. I have disliked TCO since 2009 and have been pretty open about it :laugh:I really didn't either, and hope no one views me as part of the steve pack. I feel when I faced steve, I did it on my own and for my own reasons. I chose to believe others have their own reasons to face him too.
I didn't see it as pack mentality, at least not from my side. I have disliked TCO since 2009 and have been pretty open about it :laugh:
Honestly, I did think the Steve thing was pack mentality. Not at first, but it escalated into it.
Wow. This is turning into a soap. Missing people return unexpectedly for shocking revelations while the existing cast does yet another rehash of the same old storyline, kept alive because the writers simply have nothing better to replace it with. And hell, it's worked for the past few episodes, several years in fact, so why not a few more?There has been a deadly illness to strike a beloved member, and for some reason am thinking it was a brain tumor. Hope that wasn't a joke about it. Say what you will, but it may only be a message board, but it's stil real people and people can be affected by it. Am pretty sure I've inadvertantly hurt at least two people online. Will never know for certain, and they're so nice they would likely deny it even if the opportunity came up ask. Am much more careful about these things, though the latest drama has made me realize there might be a third person from something done almost two years ago, and I'm really upset about it.
Fairly soon there will be a deadly illness striking a well-loved figure, maybe it's a brain tumour, while long-standing combatants are revealed to be siblings, lost at birth.
FFS, seriously, people?!? This is a fucking internet message board, an unmoderated one, mostly, and as such more subject to the day-to-day headaches and whims of the so-called aspie elite than most of its cousins out there. It's not something that can replace real life or deliver profoundness on a plate. It's a fucking message board and only ever what those that bother posting there make of it.
Oh, and MLA--there is no such thing. You won't magically find connections online just because you want to, just the opposite. Most boards give back what you give them. Or just some muffled contempt or a ban, if they are moderated. Post. Or don't post. All there is to it.
So why do I support him and his behavior? I do not believe I have.
Oh, and MLA--there is no such thing. You won't magically find connections online just because you want to
This place is what the members make it and if this is the best that can be made of i2, I am far from impressed. I am thinking such poisonous thinking will lead, without being addressed by the membership, in good people leaving.
It's already happening. This is a much different place than the forum I joined three and a half years ago.
Then maybe it's time to have think about it and ask ourselves if we can do something better. For our own sakes.
So why do I support him and his behavior? I do not believe I have.
Fuck you!!! :finger: that's a fucking lie and you know it.
EDIT: I just read your diatribe for the second time now, and it absolutely disgusts me.
How DARE you try to blame anyone here for what is clearly TCO's fault!!! :finger:
We were NOT responsible for knowing that TCO was using Pandora's account. It is the combined fault of Pandora and TCO that that happened, and they are the only ones to blame.
All that you have shown, is what a disgusting, horrible evil EVIL EVIL piece of fucking shit TCO is.
Secondly, you have shown just how dumb Pandora is for sticking around that piece of shit. If these are the kind of manipulations that he is pulling on her on the internet, then I can only imagine how he fucks with her head IRL. I feel sorry for Pandora, but at some point she has to be held responsible for the fact that she doesn't leave him. If she loves him, I can only attribute that to Stockholm Syndrome. How blind can you be to not see TCO is a bad person?
Lastly, you Sir Les, need to see that TCO isn't a good person who does bad things, he's a bad person who plays nice when it suits him. That's the thing with these Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde personalitles, Mr. Hyde is the true person, Dr. Jekyl is the mask that they hide behind. My sister dates and marries people just like TCO. I've had 20+ years of experience with his type. Whether or not TCO has power over these "meltdowns" is a moot point. At the end of the day, it's just a power game that is designed to control people. Pandora is under his spell and he has sucked you into his routine too.
The best thing for Pandora is to leave TCO for good, and not dat anyone like him again. If TCO tries to stalk her, then he needs to have his brains bashed in and his body dumped in a river so the crocks can have their way with his corpse. Come to think of it, that's the best use for TCO.... :chin:
I had never actively encouraged her onto I2 because she is not a good fit here as TCO has proven that he is not and she recognized the same. It is no biggie. Plenty of forums I would not fit and the same could be said of anyone here.Have to say i can't understand why she would get him an account on the FB WP group after what had just gone on over here! Bearing in mind his past performance it seems crazy to encourage him to join another forum if he was still butthurt. I would have thought the ending was a predictable one. The reason i say 'get him an a/c' is because it is not a 'click to join group' You can request to join but until another member 'approves' you, you cannot post. She opened the door for him.
Rod Craven Seems the admins of that site just let the chickens run the coop, and don;t give a monkey;s about what is posted by these bullies. A membership of 459, with at least 10 active bullies and a lot of fence-sitters. IntensitySquared - a site to be avoided by anyone who wants to feel safe.
11 October at 19:28
Rod Cravenand this one really made me want to reply
Now, unfortunately I've been told that unless Texas or Florida law has been broken by anything that is posted on I2, they can do whatever the fuck they like, and the only real TOS violation is to post child porn and threaten to hack or damage the site. And unfortunately, there is not a lot Alex or anyone can do to stop them from posting their rubbish there. But when they cross over to here and start their shenanigans, or try it on in WP itself, that's where they are going to come unstuck. And being the cowards they are, they will stick to posting in their own backyard, or closet as it may be.
While there has been the odd amount of swearing here (I was told by my niece that FB doesn't censor unless it is considerably vulgar) but the swearing and foul language on I2 has become de riguer.I am sorry but i could not let that one go for he has the worst mouth for foul language i have ever come across.
12 October at 08:21
Carmel Anne JonesSo is this Rod or Pandora? He wouldn't have needed to post under her account then? or would he? I am not really expecting an answer but trying to show you that i, personally, couldn't really tell. Yes i suspected there was some made by Rod, but i honestly do not recall being told about this being a habit of his until later on. I think i first cottoned on that maybe he was making some posts under her name when in one thread she said she had known Rod for 12 years and then in another said 14 years.
I've never known Rod to lie about anything. It seems to me as if MLA was blowing off smoke about making a possible attack on WP because he was angry about the troubles he had over there. I don't believe Rod could have been expected to know if MLA was only posturing and had no real intention of making any attack. Rod has had enough of the bullying, taunting, and goading directed his way and I certainly don't blame him.
13 October at 15:56 • Like
So over a posse went to rip well deserved shit out of him…right? Nope. Over you went and ripped shit out of his fucking fiancé. She sees you there and unloading on her and TCO and puts up a rather poor attempt at defence. Anyone attack him? Nope you unload on her.Hand on heart it was not like that at all, and i am speaking on behalf of myself. I went there to reply to Rod's comments. I also went there to prevent ‘V’ from being dragged into defending them without all the facts. I was not part of any posse. I don’t know where you get your view that a posse went in and attacked Pandora. Here are the first interractions i made
Teresa Louise Brown It is a grown up forum. Not a place to throw a tantrum. Majority of people have no problems at all there. A very childish and antagonistic person would probably face a bit of backlash.and
16 October at 01:29 · Like
Teresa Louise Brown Oh dear! are you unable to string together a whole sentence without swearing? Also who are you talking to here?, i am not Butterflies. I put it to you that the reason you seem to have repeated 'problems' on the internet is that you are unable to communicate in a civil manner, and have no real grasp of polite conversation. Or are you just having another 3 week long meltdown?
Lorna Smith Hi. I'm the Butterflies that has been getting discussed here. Carmel, I don't know you, and I'm sorry that you have so much animosity towards me. I suppose it may be understandable, considering what you have heard, but you do not appear to even know half of what's gone on. You are making comments about my personality such as "go on believing what you want to believe but don't be surprised if she turns on you at some stage. She won't right now because you're giving her all she wants - vindication and adulation." and others that I can't be bothered finding. They are simply not true. You are very welcome to message me, and I will be happy to discuss any issues you have with me.and
15 October at 19:55 · Like
Lorna Smith Hi John. Intensity Squared is an aspie forum, a bit like WP, but it is not a support forum, and it is unmoderated. Free speech is promoted, and there are no rules, other than do not do anything that endangers the site. Fights can often occur on Intesity, because unlike WP, there are no mods stepping in to stop fights from happening. Don't get the wrong impression, it is a great site, with many great members, and just like WP, it provides a great service. I would certainly not say it is a site that should be avoided. However, it is not for anybody who is easily offended, or feels the need to be in a moderated environment.I won't put eris and squiddy as they are gone but they were not attacks on Pandora but on Rod. I have no idea why you think that.
15 October at 23:59 · Like
Carmel Anne Jones I hope I am mistaken but he is about the same age as one of my daughters and I was going into my protective mother mode.
16 October at 14:13 · Like
Lloyd Purser Then at least get your facts straight before going into "protective mother mode".
16 October at 14:17 · Like
Carmel Anne Jones Is that a picture of you on your avatar?
16 October at 14:21 · Like
Lloyd Purser Yes.
16 October at 14:25 · Like
Vicente Rios Again Carmel I have a very close friend that has told me to be wary about there and she was told that Im aware of the possible issues and let it go. Your advice is appreciated but I see no issues at the moment and therefore Im not going to stop posting there.
16 October at 14:26 · Like
Teresa Louise Brown i understand the protective mother mode btw, i can mother Vicente at I2 if he needed it...but he doesn't.
16 October at 14:35 · Like
Kristine Kelly I wonder why she cared if that was his real picture ?
16 October at 14:38 · Like
Carmel Anne Jones Teresa, you do look old enough to be his mother.
16 October at 15:15 · Like
Something's foul here.:agreed:
Les, I would encourage you not to leave on account of Butterflies. Don't forget DD did too. Between you two and eris, that's too many. I can't work out how things that happen on other sites by this group of a few people keep reflecting so badly on everybody on I2. There's a lot more to us than those few. When did the rest of us drop right off your radar?
Posting from phone so cant say much, but c'mon Les, get a grip.
I was in a fight with Steve and Pandora. It was justified. Not one word I wrote was for your benefit. I wasnt fighting them whilst thinking of how to insult you.
Im sorry Les, but Im just not interested enough in you to aim digs at you after you appear to have left the site.
You also did not cheer on the incredible wit of using the Rancidora dig at me and i thank you for that too.
Wow. This is turning into a soap. Missing people return unexpectedly for shocking revelations while the existing cast does yet another rehash of the same old storyline, kept alive because the writers simply have nothing better to replace it with. And hell, it's worked for the past few episodes, several years in fact, so why not a few more?There has been a deadly illness to strike a beloved member, and for some reason am thinking it was a brain tumor. Hope that wasn't a joke about it. Say what you will, but it may only be a message board, but it's stil real people and people can be affected by it. Am pretty sure I've inadvertantly hurt at least two people online. Will never know for certain, and they're so nice they would likely deny it even if the opportunity came up ask. Am much more careful about these things, though the latest drama has made me realize there might be a third person from something done almost two years ago, and I'm really upset about it.
Fairly soon there will be a deadly illness striking a well-loved figure, maybe it's a brain tumour, while long-standing combatants are revealed to be siblings, lost at birth.
FFS, seriously, people?!? This is a fucking internet message board, an unmoderated one, mostly, and as such more subject to the day-to-day headaches and whims of the so-called aspie elite than most of its cousins out there. It's not something that can replace real life or deliver profoundness on a plate. It's a fucking message board and only ever what those that bother posting there make of it.
Oh, and MLA--there is no such thing. You won't magically find connections online just because you want to, just the opposite. Most boards give back what you give them. Or just some muffled contempt or a ban, if they are moderated. Post. Or don't post. All there is to it.
Oh, and MLA--there is no such thing. You won't magically find connections online just because you want to
Thank you for proving my point.
I have to make one very obvious point.
Yes. Steve is IP banned. There was always a guest viewing, and Steve knew what was being said. It was a fair assumption that he was snooping using a proxy.
"I hope you don't really see the whole site as bad due to this incident"
As I have said. The site is what we as members make it and so in answer, YES. It is sactioned and condoned and celebrated and that is a damn shame. It is justified an dexcused and seen as a righteous exercise and that is disappointing.
Not really the environment i am proud of and happy to support
I have to make one very obvious point.
Yes. Steve is IP banned. There was always a guest viewing, and Steve knew what was being said. It was a fair assumption that he was snooping using a proxy.
A rather obvious reply, then: Steve wasn't IP banned the whole time, far from it. Also, quite a few members use a proxy, all the time.
You were not posting to two people you knew were IP banned and could not see what was written. Credit this board with at least a little bit of common sense and a bit of memory recall.
I have to make one very obvious point.
Yes. Steve is IP banned. There was always a guest viewing, and Steve knew what was being said. It was a fair assumption that he was snooping using a proxy.
A rather obvious reply, then: Steve wasn't IP banned the whole time, far from it. Also, quite a few members use a proxy, all the time.
My post was in reply to Les' comment that:QuoteYou were not posting to two people you knew were IP banned and could not see what was written. Credit this board with at least a little bit of common sense and a bit of memory recall.
He is talking about the time Steve was IP banned, and he appears to be claiming that my comments about Pandora were meant as an insult to him because Steve and Pandora were banned, and therefore had absolutely no idea what was happening on this site.
I have to make one very obvious point.
Yes. Steve is IP banned. There was always a guest viewing, and Steve knew what was being said. It was a fair assumption that he was snooping using a proxy.
A rather obvious reply, then: Steve wasn't IP banned the whole time, far from it. Also, quite a few members use a proxy, all the time.
My post was in reply to Les' comment that:QuoteYou were not posting to two people you knew were IP banned and could not see what was written. Credit this board with at least a little bit of common sense and a bit of memory recall.
He is talking about the time Steve was IP banned, and he appears to be claiming that my comments about Pandora were meant as an insult to him because Steve and Pandora were banned, and therefore had absolutely no idea what was happening on this site.
A lot of misunderstandings seem to circulate over for how long TCO was IP banned (and thus Pandora by proxy), and I've seen people assume that he was when he wasn't. I can't see how any of the above comments can be placed in time to one or the other situation.
Just been thinking about how i would like this site to be? I don't know really, i was sort of happy with it.
I liked it enough to go on facebook and defend it.
I liked enough of you enough to get irked when whole site got slagged!
So, my question is...
Is this site not worth defending?
If you look at Butterflies first post (the one i posted earlier)It is not really very threatening at all. Quite polite really. Truth is i went there with the best intentions, and i believe the other's did too.
@Pyraxis. Thats a strange story about DD. At first it was presented as a fact that he left because of me. Now youre presenting as an observation that DD appears to have left some time after an argument with some people, one of them being me.
:lol:@Pyraxis. Thats a strange story about DD. At first it was presented as a fact that he left because of me. Now youre presenting as an observation that DD appears to have left some time after an argument with some people, one of them being me.
Yup. I'm casting vague aspersions on you in an attempt at ferreting out what's gone wrong.
Pyraxis, I know I keep rehashing the point but this place is what its members make it. I come here to wind down hang out and have fun. This type of shit is simply not doing it for me. I will do things other than what I am not enjoying.
Just been thinking about how i would like this site to be? I don't know really, i was sort of happy with it.
I liked it enough to go on facebook and defend it.
I liked enough of you enough to get irked when whole site got slagged!
So, my question is...
Is this site not worth defending?
Just been thinking about how i would like this site to be? I don't know really, i was sort of happy with it.
I liked it enough to go on facebook and defend it.
I liked enough of you enough to get irked when whole site got slagged!
So, my question is...
Is this site not worth defending?
I'm feeling ambivalent about it right now! :-\
I have to make one very obvious point.
Yes. Steve is IP banned. There was always a guest viewing, and Steve knew what was being said. It was a fair assumption that he was snooping using a proxy.
A rather obvious reply, then: Steve wasn't IP banned the whole time, far from it. Also, quite a few members use a proxy, all the time.
My post was in reply to Les' comment that:QuoteYou were not posting to two people you knew were IP banned and could not see what was written. Credit this board with at least a little bit of common sense and a bit of memory recall.
He is talking about the time Steve was IP banned, and he appears to be claiming that my comments about Pandora were meant as an insult to him because Steve and Pandora were banned, and therefore had absolutely no idea what was happening on this site.
I have to make one very obvious point.
Yes. Steve is IP banned. There was always a guest viewing, and Steve knew what was being said. It was a fair assumption that he was snooping using a proxy.
A rather obvious reply, then: Steve wasn't IP banned the whole time, far from it. Also, quite a few members use a proxy, all the time.
My post was in reply to Les' comment that:QuoteYou were not posting to two people you knew were IP banned and could not see what was written. Credit this board with at least a little bit of common sense and a bit of memory recall.
He is talking about the time Steve was IP banned, and he appears to be claiming that my comments about Pandora were meant as an insult to him because Steve and Pandora were banned, and therefore had absolutely no idea what was happening on this site.
A lot of misunderstandings seem to circulate over for how long TCO was IP banned (and thus Pandora by proxy), and I've seen people assume that he was when he wasn't. I can't see how any of the above comments can be placed in time to one or the other situation.
TBH it doesn't really matter.
Les' point is that I was trying to insult him by saying what I said about Pandora whilst Steve was banned. My point is that, at all times during the argument, I assumed Steve had some kind of access to this site, whether it be full access, or access through a proxy.
@Odeon. Absolutely not. I believed Les and I had made up, and I had no desire at all to get back involved in figjting him. My insults were aimed at Steve and Pandora, as well as to amuse myself and some others.
Just been thinking about how i would like this site to be? I don't know really, i was sort of happy with it.
I liked it enough to go on facebook and defend it.
I liked enough of you enough to get irked when whole site got slagged!
So, my question is...
Is this site not worth defending?
For me, the site is worth defending, and I think if this was anybody other than Les' friend, nobody would have had any issues with what we done
This whole thing has been blown out of all proportion, and I think it shows that if you shout loud enough and stamp your feet hard enough, you will always find some people who will take you seriously.
Pyraxis, I know I keep rehashing the point but this place is what its members make it. I come here to wind down hang out and have fun. This type of shit is simply not doing it for me. I will do things other than what I am not enjoying.
If you do take off then, I hope you come back and say hi sometimes, and check to see if anything's changed for the better.
You, on the other hand, still seem to be squirming out of wrongdoing and trying to erase it, which suggests to me that you know you went too far.
I think I was misunderstanding Butterflies. I didn't know she'd admitted that the stuff with TCO and Pandora was wrong.
I don't know about tame or otherwise without having actually watched it play out. I do know that Les leaving fucking sucks, and points to not tame, and likely highly manipulative. And then there's eris leaving, same with Calavera, same with DD. I don't know if all those are directly related, but there is in fact a trend.
Who was cheering on the "Rancidora" crap?
tbh I agree with butterflies
How does Les leaving indicate that Butterflies was being manipulative? I think that's a pretty big jump to make that assumption
As Butterflies said, DD was only around a little bit and for a short while last time he was here. If he really did leave because of anything Butterflies said and because of the patriotism/gun control threads, then that's kinda sad imo
I know nothing about what happened with eris so won't say anything about that, but what I will say is that I think Butterflies is one of the nicest people on here. She might get into arguments with people and get involved in a lot of the drama/trolling stuff, but she's not manipulative or nasty
@Adam: You and I have different definitions of niceness. I don't even consider it a virtue.
I think there were a lot of reasons that DD left and Butterflies was only one of them. The reason I'm thinking about manipulation is because it seems similar to Les leaving. Not sad, just a thing of alienation. Some people do get on, some people don't, whatever. But I like the older guys and I'm trying to understand what it is about the younger cliques that makes them finally intolerable to be around. DD had a stick up his ass about the USA and Butterflies is British, so maybe a political thing? And Les is Australian and that's a whole other dynamic. What happened to multiculturalism and live-and-let-live?
Why don't you just ask. It's pretty hard for anyone to tell you lies when all the evidence is so easy to find.
Why don't you just ask. It's pretty hard for anyone to tell you lies when all the evidence is so easy to find.
Hm. Because people aren't that trustworthy, and whenever there's a conflict, they end up getting polarized into their own exclusive opinions which contradict the people on the other side of the conflict. So I'd have to ask everyone in order to get a coherent picture. It makes more sense to just stand back and observe.
If you just observe the fallout of it, then how can you REALLY know what teh initial arguments were?
There are people on both sides here, and AFAIK we all pretty much agree on what happened. Where we disagree is "was what we done on FB wrong?" and "how wrong was my bitchy comment about Pandora?"
"Grease Monkey (317) Al Swearengen (1195) - full page of lies In topic Yesterday at 06:33:54 PM "
Who do you think the "younger cliques" are on here?That brings up a point i was going to mention actually, age. I am an oldee too. My opinion of the word 'rancidora' is it is a silly made up word. Probably snigger-worthy to the younger people. Probably would have sniggered myself if i weren't aware of Les's feelings. That is because i am old though, and thoughtful, and had many run ins not unlike this one when i was Butterflies age.
Who do you think the "younger cliques" are on here?That brings up a point i was going to mention actually, age. I am an oldee too. My opinion of the word 'rancidora' is it is a silly made up word. Probably snigger-worthy to the younger people. Probably would have sniggered myself if i weren't aware of Les's feelings. That is because i am old though, and thoughtful, and had many run ins not unlike this one when i was Butterflies age.
I do not think Butterflies is bad or nasty. I don't think she sat and tried to think up the most offensive word just to piss Les off. I think it just came into her head, she used it and it got a few laughs. If you notice she is now referring to her as 'pandora' which leads me to believe what i just said to be true. If she was a nasty little bitch she would be using it now. She isn't.
I think Les implied it was not just Butterflies actions that pissed him off. Maybe now is a good time to look at the other things. I think Butterflies has been hauled over the coals quite a lot now.
Exactly. I don't see how terrible this all is really . btw Is he actually quitting btw or just considering it? Have only skimmed thru his posts in here
For me, the site is worth defending, and I think if this was anybody other than Les' friend, nobody would have had any issues with what we done
Mostly tl:dr, but I do feel that its strange behaviour to claim to be leaving a site because of the drama that has affected your friend, yet return regularly to the site to keep the drama going.
Its never going to die for as long as you keep writing essays on the drama.
QuoteYou, on the other hand, still seem to be squirming out of wrongdoing and trying to erase it, which suggests to me that you know you went too far.
No. Pretty much the opposite in fact. I got involved in an argument with Steve. We both said some bitchy stuff about each others family. Turns out Steves girlfriend is Les' friend.
It was bitchy, and it was wrong. I have never denied that. By the standard of much of what goes on here though, it was pretty tame. I've done far worse here, and I've received far worse. It is a massive over-reation by some people.
Thats bullshit Odeon. There was nowhere near this level of moral outrage when I pulled the stunt with Parakeets wife, and that was a genuinely bad thing.
I didnt see any moral outrage when Les started a thhread of two whales fucking, and claimed it to be CCTV of keet fucking his wife.
This is quickly turning into a site for the easily morally outraged.
Being mean and apologizig are different things. What I said about Pandora way back was wrong, but I wont be apologizing to her.
ok I'm starting to think I have no idea wtf is going on here after all. just to clarify if I've got it right or no, can someone explain what exactly it is that Butterflies did that Les is making this thread aboutSure, although i am not sure anymore if i missed something but AFAIK BF said TCO's fiance was rancid, and that got Les pissed because although BF didn't' know at the time, TCO's fiance is a good friend of Les's.
ok I'm starting to think I have no idea wtf is going on here after all. just to clarify if I've got it right or no, can someone explain what exactly it is that Butterflies did that Les is making this thread about
sorry, no, i said that wrong
that was the original callout.
this is because of the 'rancidora' word
that was used in the recent fb argument?
Maybe Butterflies is taking all the heat for this because nobody else has the balls to step up and talk. Sir Les' posts earlier were about how Butterflies made the "Rancidora" comment and then about how 'everybody' egged her on.
Where is this everybody?
Maybe Butterflies is taking all the heat for this because nobody else has the balls to step up and talk. Sir Les' posts earlier were about how Butterflies made the "Rancidora" comment and then about how 'everybody' egged her on.
Where is this everybody?
Les should first show what he meant by "egging on". I just laughed at the Rancidora comment. Still think it's somewhat amusing :dunno::indeed:
This really isn't as big of a deal as Les is making it out to be. A friend of his was insulted by proxy. Then that insult was made into a joke. Shit happens. If Les is trying to come across as a white knight of sorts, fair enough but this is getting ridiculous now.
So why do I support him and his behavior? I do not believe I have.
Fuck you!!! :finger: that's a fucking lie and you know it.
So go find the lies Scrap. Fucking hopeless.
Why? Because i do not wish to enable TCO's want to start fights around the internet and have me come in and clean it up for him and I have him putting Pandora in the firing line.
It's Sir_Les' fault that you lack the attention span to search through his posts? ::) As I recall one of the things you detest about TCO is his tendency to blame others for his own behavior. Now you are blaming Sir_Les for your own failings in simple research. :hahaha:So why do I support him and his behavior? I do not believe I have.
Fuck you!!! :finger: that's a fucking lie and you know it.
So go find the lies Scrap. Fucking hopeless.Why? Because i do not wish to enable TCO's want to start fights around the internet and have me come in and clean it up for him and I have him putting Pandora in the firing line.
Now I realize that this is a reference to not wanting to do something in the future, but it is a bit of a smoking gun here because really the reason you don't want to do this is because you've done it in the past and you recognize the pattern.
Now, I know that you'll object to be using this post as evidence of anything, but it is the only one that i could find where you summarized your behavior in such concise terms. Really, it's your fault for being so goddamned long-winded and drawn out. I just can't be arsed into searching through miles and miles text where you take a paragraph to say what could be said in a sentence. I'm sure you'll claim victory through fillabuster. That's your tallent, you can't dazzle people with your brilliance, so you bury them in a mountian of bullshit.
Have I ever...yes ever..supported TCO's right to say whatever he wanted unchallenged?
Have I ever denounced people's right to defend against these attacks?
I have certainly on occassion agreed with others against him and him against others and at times even criticised his behaviour. I have even tried to allow him an "out" on ocassion to man up and apologise and stop making things worse for him and the board members. But this is not what I just asked.
The fact is we have seen he has not been able to play well here. He does meltdown and it does not do him, nor the board nor the board members any favours when he does. I do not deny this and I do not recall ever having said anything to the contrary.
I also liken the analogy of the drunk too far gone with drink to control their actions at the time they are drunk to realise what they are doing (and who is both incapable of registering the effect of what they are doing at the time and with which trying to draw accountability is futile) to his actions when in meltdown.
But find where i say that he is not accountable for anything he says. The truth is, regardless of what we say or do, we all are regardless too of how emotional we are at the time. maybe in the heat of the moment or in the throes of a meltdown we are not of a mind to appreciate our actions but that does not excuse our actions.
You suggest I have indicated otherwise?
So no I do not defend his actions and have not. Have I been patient? Like a fucking saint.
Have I tried to avoid driving him to meltdown?
What about my personal views and beliefs on him and who and what he is off-forum? Yup been honest here too. I have volunteered these things freely. That is not as much defending him as making a valued judgment.
I don't give a damn whether you or anyone likes TCO. He has done a lot to make a lot of people dislike him and that is his cross to carry. I do not much care whether people like him or not nor form a poor opinion on him based on the actions they have seen online.
TCO on here attacks members? TCO. No issue with members attacking back and he has to back himself.
Members attack TCO? Members No issue with TCO attacking back and they have to back themselves.
TCO having a meltdown? Unfortunate. I do not believe in this state he can realise what he is doing/saying and addressing this pointless but that he is still accountable for everything he says.
TCO pulling shit over at Facebook? TCO. Poor fucking form and he deserved to be taken to task personally for it.
TCO using Pandora's account? Stupid and poor form and he is responsible for it.
"Posse" going over there? TCO. He bouight that shit on himself. If it was not concerns i had that Pandora would get roped into it and that it was likely to ruin another online community for her, I likely would be part of that too. (I use the word "posse" because i think it best fits. I do not think of it in a negative light. A group of concerned people going as a united group to right a wrong)
No TCO - and the posse starts firing shots at Pandora as next best target? Primarily TCO. He set this up and had his girl taking fire for him. Secondly the posse. Whilst it mayt have been unclear as to what was said or not by Pandora, I had put on the board what and who she was and that he did and does use her account sometimes so where there was a doubt who actually said what and that what was said fitted what i described in her and what you knew of him, I believe there ought to have been some restraint and an acceptance that she was not the person they sought to address, he was.
That said I understood as much as i did not like it and held my tongue.
Celebrating giving my mate a flogging over here and talking up what a bitch she is whilst her friend is in the room? Everyone involved in said celebrating. Fucking poor form.
Still I held my tongue. Did not like it but did not complain.
Trying to get a rancid sly dig at me after me not having reacted - with the "Rancidora" bullshit - and others cheering on that? Fucking pathetic and everyone involved in that is responsible.
So, yes Scrap. TCO is to blame for TCO's actions and other's for their own actions. Don't try to interpret that I was trying to leave him blameless, that would be both dishonest and stupid.
"then I can only imagine how he fucks with her head IRL" Do not let your imagination run away with you Scrap. You may be right and you may not be.
Am i keen to make sure my friend is safe? Yes. Do i have concerns? Yes. Will I look out for her interests? Yes.
At the moment she is with a man who makes her happy
and conversely sucks at these online fora. The two CAN exist mutually. I do not know whether one reflects the other but I will be fucked if I will be judge, jury and executioner based on such loose speculation and fear.
Oh and heads up Scrap. TCO is not your brother in Law. You may know your brother in law and you may read into TCO some specific psychoanalytical online diagnosis but between you, me and the rest of the thinking people here, that means shit and if you are not too self-opinionated or full of yourself, I would say that you probably know that such armchair diagnosises or greater awarenesses mean shit. (Yes...even when i do it myself)
It's Sir_Les' fault that you lack the attention span to search through his posts?
Maybe Butterflies is taking all the heat for this because nobody else has the balls to step up and talk. Sir Les' posts earlier were about how Butterflies made the "Rancidora" comment and then about how 'everybody' egged her on.I can't remember egging anyone on about calling Pandora "Rancidora". The only thing I expressed disagreement about in relation to something Pandora wrote was this:
Where is this everybody?
And then I wrote how I don't like the whole AS/NT who-is-better attitudes. And that was about it I think.What I bolded, why should that be a reason to "watch out"?QuoteCarmel Anne Jones Hey, I wasn't saying don't give her access to the group but if you want to go on believing don't be surprised if it comes back sometime to bite you on the bum. Also, watch out for a person called Bint, because she is not an aspie and she has a history of spoiling relationships and turning on people. Just ask her about a young man called "The Other Window".Well, Pandora just lost any respect I may have had for her.
It is how he posts when he is not in a callout/argument situation.It's Sir_Les' fault that you lack the attention span to search through his posts?
No, it's Sir Les' fault that he packes them so full of useless filler.
It's something called "Proof through Verbosity", i.e. Fillabustering
As this is a members site, maybe we should be looking
at how members treat each other first? Concern is focused on friends of members here, and i think the culture here is that members insult each other every day! it's no surprise then when this extends to friends of members.
Les said he would have been in the posse himself, had it not been for his friend, so how does that reflect on the site?
It is how he posts when he is not in a callout/argument situation.It's Sir_Les' fault that you lack the attention span to search through his posts?
No, it's Sir Les' fault that he packes them so full of useless filler.
It's something called "Proof through Verbosity", i.e. Fillabustering
I have no real strong feelings about changing the site. It is as it was when i joined it. Saying that others have noticed a difference.
Fair enough, i can accept that. Improve it. Enhance it, whatever.
If you really want to make it better you have to look at all the things the whole membership find wrong.
I can not comprehend how or why this is all down to Butterflies and her 'rancid' comment.
I don't see any other people with a major problem with Butterflies. Yes i can see why Les is mad, but it is not fair to make her a scapegoat either.
Surely a more positive step in making improvements will be to look at any other issues, as well as this one. At the moment it seems to be just this one.
Les should first show what he meant by "egging on". I just laughed at the Rancidora comment. Still think it's somewhat amusing :dunno:
This really isn't as big of a deal as Les is making it out to be. A friend of his was insulted by proxy. Then that insult was made into a joke. Shit happens. If Les is trying to come across as a white knight of sorts, fair enough but this is getting ridiculous now.
It's Sir_Les' fault that you lack the attention span to search through his posts?
No, it's Sir Les' fault that he packes them so full of useless filler.
It's something called "Proof through Verbosity", i.e. Fillabustering
It is how he posts when he is not in a callout/argument situation.It's Sir_Les' fault that you lack the attention span to search through his posts?
No, it's Sir Les' fault that he packes them so full of useless filler.
It's something called "Proof through Verbosity", i.e. Fillabustering
It's also how he posts in call-outs. He also throws in a generous amount of weasel words in order to wrigle out of a position, if he has to.
Les should first show what he meant by "egging on". I just laughed at the Rancidora comment. Still think it's somewhat amusing :dunno:
This really isn't as big of a deal as Les is making it out to be. A friend of his was insulted by proxy. Then that insult was made into a joke. Shit happens. If Les is trying to come across as a white knight of sorts, fair enough but this is getting ridiculous now.
By proxy? I would say directly.
Les should first show what he meant by "egging on". I just laughed at the Rancidora comment. Still think it's somewhat amusing :dunno:
This really isn't as big of a deal as Les is making it out to be. A friend of his was insulted by proxy. Then that insult was made into a joke. Shit happens. If Les is trying to come across as a white knight of sorts, fair enough but this is getting ridiculous now.
By proxy? I would say directly.
If you mean the time I called her "rancid," then no. It was not a direct insult. It was aimed at Steve, and AFAIK it was Les who informed her of it.
If you mean the time she was called Rancidora, then yes, it was an insult, but one I have every right to make. She had already been on FB slagging us off. As soon as she done that, we all had every right to fight back, and also to insult her.
This is why ths is such bullshit. I, and everybody else involved, have done no more than mock and insult someone who has attacked us. The fact that she is Les' friend is not our problem.
It's one thing to ask people here not to attack your friend. It's another thing to demand that people here do not retaliate when provoked by your friend.
Nowhere does anyone mention how you started threads about TCO's greatest hits, before "they" attacked you.
Is it not just easier to admit we all have different opinions on this drama and that mud was slung on all sides?
Not trying to be patronising , just cannot see this issue being resolved because of so many contrasting viewpoints.
QuoteNowhere does anyone mention how you started threads about TCO's greatest hits, before "they" attacked you.
wut
???
Is it not just easier to admit we all have different opinions on this drama and that mud was slung on all sides?
Not trying to be patronising , just cannot see this issue being resolved because of so many contrasting viewpoints.
Is it not just easier to admit we all have different opinions on this drama and that mud was slung on all sides?
Not trying to be patronising , just cannot see this issue being resolved because of so many contrasting viewpoints.
Now that depends, because what I'm really interested in here is if what I'm seeing is behaviour that is acceptable. Should you act if you believe that something is wrong, or should you stay silent to not rock the boat because the viewpoints are so contrasting and unlikely to be resolved?
Think about it. This place is not moderated so the kind of behaviour that can get you banned elsewhere can only be addressed here by speaking up.
QuoteNowhere does anyone mention how you started threads about TCO's greatest hits, before "they" attacked you.
wut
???
::)
:jaded: I just wonder how long before this ends. :violin:
:jaded: I just wonder how long before this ends. :violin:
It's a bit like a motorway accident. Yes, there's a lot of glass lying around and there are heaps of twisted metal and possibly body parts, and you wonder if anyone could have survived THAT so you stick around and watch, but as a passer-by, you are perfectly free to continue your journey when the ambulance has arrived.
QuoteNowhere does anyone mention how you started threads about TCO's greatest hits, before "they" attacked you.
wut
???
::)
The greatest hits thread was created on 17th October. It was after the attack on Binty / Butterflies/ Intensity which started on the 11th October on Rod's FB a/c and 13th October on Pandora's.
It was well after.
:jaded: I just wonder how long before this ends. :violin:
It's a bit like a motorway accident. Yes, there's a lot of glass lying around and there are heaps of twisted metal and possibly body parts, and you wonder if anyone could have survived THAT so you stick around and watch, but as a passer-by, you are perfectly free to continue your journey when the ambulance has arrived.
Psychophant is an EMT though , he has to stick around and patch up any possible survivors. :P
:zoinks:
:jaded: I just wonder how long before this ends. :violin:
It's a bit like a motorway accident. Yes, there's a lot of glass lying around and there are heaps of twisted metal and possibly body parts, and you wonder if anyone could have survived THAT so you stick around and watch, but as a passer-by, you are perfectly free to continue your journey when the ambulance has arrived.
Psychophant is an EMT though , he has to stick around and patch up any possible survivors. :P
:zoinks:
Oh, I know. That is why I thought he'd appreciate my angle.
:jaded: I just wonder how long before this ends. :violin:
It's a bit like a motorway accident. Yes, there's a lot of glass lying around and there are heaps of twisted metal and possibly body parts, and you wonder if anyone could have survived THAT so you stick around and watch, but as a passer-by, you are perfectly free to continue your journey when the ambulance has arrived.
:jaded: I just wonder how long before this ends. :violin:
It's a bit like a motorway accident. Yes, there's a lot of glass lying around and there are heaps of twisted metal and possibly body parts, and you wonder if anyone could have survived THAT so you stick around and watch, but as a passer-by, you are perfectly free to continue your journey when the ambulance has arrived.
Psychophant is an EMT though , he has to stick around and patch up any possible survivors. :P
:zoinks:
Oh, I know. That is why I thought he'd appreciate my angle.
Ive never denied attacking Steve long before Pandora was attacked. I made a thread aboutSteve, before Pandora was involved.Im not sure its relevant though.
Isuppose its pointless arguing about the rights and wrongs of the Pandora situation. I feel I had every right to say what I said, and Im unlikely to change mu mind.
I am slightly concerned by your sudden attack of moral responsibilty. Are you just concerned that Les claimed he was leaving, or are you going to start policing the board, inflicting your moral outrage on anyone who you deem to be guilty of insulting someone from offboard who you do not feel deserves to be insulted.
:jaded: I just wonder how long before this ends. :violin:
It's a bit like a motorway accident. Yes, there's a lot of glass lying around and there are heaps of twisted metal and possibly body parts, and you wonder if anyone could have survived THAT so you stick around and watch, but as a passer-by, you are perfectly free to continue your journey when the ambulance has arrived.
Psychophant is an EMT though , he has to stick around and patch up any possible survivors. :P
:zoinks:
Oh, I know. That is why I thought he'd appreciate my angle.
I do appreciate it, this whole controversy has been like a slow motion crash. :trainwreck:
And as Squiddy pointed under the Good Samaritan law and our professional code of ethics, I am required to offer assistance any time I run into that type of situation. The Good Samaritan Law protects me from lawsuits when I do render assistance off duty. The law applies to anybody who does that, professional or non professional. :police:
I dont see the strawman. This site is full of far worse stuff than what I said to Pandora. You happily ignore, or occasionally encourage it.
Now all of a sudden, Les has told you he's leaving over my comment, and now youve decided this is a huge deal.
Ithink youre just pissed because you actually think Les will really leave.
Actually I've been talking to Sir Les as well as reading the old threads and realised that I should have posted more about all this earlier. Instead I was pissed off by what you did and remained mostly silent. Not completely, as you will note if you actually bother to read my older posts, so you are just wrong on this one.Can you please clarify what exactly it is that you think is so wrong that you need to speak out? I am not being funny or facetious i simply am unclear if it is the insult she used, or who she insulted, or the fb thing, or the TCO thing in general that has caused this reaction? I don't intend to start going around getting into fights and slanging matches but would just like to know in case i ever do?
Isolated, a lot of the TCO/Pandora stuff would not have merited a response. Put in context, however, I think this particular drama has developed in directions that I dislike enough to speak out. I have said more than once that I'm not always consistent--very few are--but I try to learn from my mistakes and not do the same ones more than once. So yes, I'm pretty sure there are times in the past when I should have reacted but for various reasons didn't.
But that's not how I would like to excuse myself if I stay silent or look the other way when I see something I think is wrong. Would you?
All I know is that Odeon was great with me throughout the Steve incident. Was clearly sad to be seeing Steve cop so much flack, but made clear he could see my point. I even non-seriously suggested that Steve would be trying to get some of us arrestef for cyber bullying.I can't see how just the Pandora comments alone equate to such animosity. If it is the other things as well, like what went on over at fb, and the mammoth meltdown TCO had before he left, then i really think it is unfair that you alone are facing the music.
Odoen said "he'll have to explain his own behaviour first"
I think Odeons comment about speaking to Les and now becoming morally outraged is very telling.
All I know is that Odeon was great with me throughout the Steve incident. Was clearly sad to be seeing Steve cop so much flack, but made clear he could see my point. I even non-seriously suggested that Steve would be trying to get some of us arrestef for cyber bullying.I can't see how just the Pandora comments alone equate to such animosity. If it is the other things as well, like what went on over at fb, and the mammoth meltdown TCO had before he left, then i really think it is unfair that you alone are facing the music.
Odoen said "he'll have to explain his own behaviour first"
I think Odeons comment about speaking to Les and now becoming morally outraged is very telling.
Perhaps there's a reason for that. Your innocent little me routine is getting really old. :eh::lol:
Indeed, I am quickly developing dislike for you, and I'm not the only one. This is what it feels like to be hit with the clue wagon, Butterflies. You're making a lot of enemies in this whole drama, and some of us won't just leave the site.
Butterflies isn't innocent. It was a nasty thing to say.
A moral 'low' if you like. It is not the worst behaviour i have seen on here. And as far as insults go, she endured a lot from TCO, threatening to punch her, wishing death and cancer on her and her family. etc.
I have seen lots of members throwing worse insults and i just don't understand why Butterflies is being made an example of? I understand why her and Les might have animosity.
And I've never said it wasn't wrong to say she was rancid.
And I've never said it wasn't wrong to say she was rancid.
I don't see why calling her rancid was such a big deal. :dunno:
Hey Butterflies! you're RANCID!!! :razz: :moon:
All of this is getting really fucking ridiculous.
What strikes me as odd, is that when Les was attacking Adam and I in a really disgusting and low manner, simply because we called him a dumbass in a silly argument over Shleed, odeon didn't day a word. I know it escalated and I said awful things myself but at the start, we were just using playground insults like dumbass and old man etc. Les, however, wrote paragraphs of poisonous essays about Adam being trans and about his OCD - trying to trigger it. Yet odeon was completely fine with this. Before you mention us calling him a paedophile and me attacking his kids, that was bad yes but it only happened when things started to escalate.
Now suddenly, Butterflies calls Pandora "rancid" by proxy and she's the devil.
Something is clearly wrong here. Or maybe it's just that older people back older people here and vice versa with us young ones. It was something I noticed a while ago.
Yeah I really don't get what's so bad about the Rancid insult
Way worse things are said on this site
Also I don't think Butterflies ever plays the innocent little me thing - hasn't she said plenty of times herself that she;s acted badly
I am at a family 'do' now until Sun evening. ??? So probably won't be online til mon morning so i am not gonna see how all this plays out :(
So, pretty much the same thing for me really- that is more arguing! :hahaha:
I dare say this drama will be over and a new one probably be in full swing :zoinks:
QuoteActually I've been talking to Sir Les as well as reading the old threads and realised that I should have posted more about all this earlier. Instead I was pissed off by what you did and remained mostly silent. Not completely, as you will note if you actually bother to read my older posts, so you are just wrong on this one.Can you please clarify what exactly it is that you think is so wrong that you need to speak out? I am not being funny or facetious i simply am unclear if it is the insult she used, or who she insulted, or the fb thing, or the TCO thing in general that has caused this reaction? I don't intend to start going around getting into fights and slanging matches but would just like to know in case i ever do?
Isolated, a lot of the TCO/Pandora stuff would not have merited a response. Put in context, however, I think this particular drama has developed in directions that I dislike enough to speak out. I have said more than once that I'm not always consistent--very few are--but I try to learn from my mistakes and not do the same ones more than once. So yes, I'm pretty sure there are times in the past when I should have reacted but for various reasons didn't.
But that's not how I would like to excuse myself if I stay silent or look the other way when I see something I think is wrong. Would you?
All I know is that Odeon was great with me throughout the Steve incident. Was clearly sad to be seeing Steve cop so much flack, but made clear he could see my point. I even non-seriously suggested that Steve would be trying to get some of us arrestef for cyber bullying.
Odoen said "he'll have to explain his own behaviour first"
I think Odeons comment about speaking to Les and now becoming morally outraged is very telling.
All of this is getting really fucking ridiculous.
What strikes me as odd, is that when Les was attacking Adam and I in a really disgusting and low manner, simply because we called him a dumbass in a silly argument over Shleed, odeon didn't day a word. I know it escalated and I said awful things myself but at the start, we were just using playground insults like dumbass and old man etc. Les, however, wrote paragraphs of poisonous essays about Adam being trans and about his OCD - trying to trigger it. Yet odeon was completely fine with this. Before you mention us calling him a paedophile and me attacking his kids, that was bad yes but it only happened when things started to escalate.
Now suddenly, Butterflies calls Pandora "rancid" by proxy and she's the devil.
Something is clearly wrong here. Or maybe it's just that older people back older people here and vice versa with us young ones. It was something I noticed a while ago.
Yup.
I'm in three minds about Odeons behaviour.
I think he's either trying to show Les how morally outraged he is, in an attempt to win Les' favour and get him to return to the site.
Or, he really is a sanctimonious old windbag, who has only appeared cool because he doesn't have a clue about the insults that are really flying about this site. If he did, he'd probably shut the site.
Or, he's actually very easily suggestable, and Les has managed to convince him that he really is morally outraged.
Yeah I really don't get what's so bad about the Rancid insult
Way worse things are said on this site
Also I don't think Butterflies ever plays the innocent little me thing - hasn't she said plenty of times herself that she;s acted badly
Yes. I'm the first to admit that I'm not a well behaved person, either here, or in RL.
I'm guilty of many things, but pretending I'm an angel isn't one of them.
I really don't want to start this all up again, just as it seems to be dying, but everyone, including me, agrees that what I said to Steve about Pandora, before she became involved was wrong. It appears to be over though. In fact, it happened a couple of months ago, and everyone other than you, appears to have moved on. Les has moved on from there.QuoteActually I've been talking to Sir Les as well as reading the old threads and realised that I should have posted more about all this earlier. Instead I was pissed off by what you did and remained mostly silent. Not completely, as you will note if you actually bother to read my older posts, so you are just wrong on this one.Can you please clarify what exactly it is that you think is so wrong that you need to speak out? I am not being funny or facetious i simply am unclear if it is the insult she used, or who she insulted, or the fb thing, or the TCO thing in general that has caused this reaction? I don't intend to start going around getting into fights and slanging matches but would just like to know in case i ever do?
Isolated, a lot of the TCO/Pandora stuff would not have merited a response. Put in context, however, I think this particular drama has developed in directions that I dislike enough to speak out. I have said more than once that I'm not always consistent--very few are--but I try to learn from my mistakes and not do the same ones more than once. So yes, I'm pretty sure there are times in the past when I should have reacted but for various reasons didn't.
But that's not how I would like to excuse myself if I stay silent or look the other way when I see something I think is wrong. Would you?
I don't think it's OK when people who have never been members here (Pandora, in this case) and have until then not been involved with the site get hurt and are seen as some kind of collateral damage and nothing to be particularly sorry about. Admit it was mean, sure, apologies, hell no.
There was something nasty about the whole thing that set it apart from most previous dramas. Personally found the rather merciless riling up of TCO when he returned after his self-imposed ban cruel and unnecessary and something that could have been avoided if the will had been there.
I'm all for backing up your shit and have flamed and been flamed on more than one occasion in the past but when people's actual real lives are being thrown into the fire for nothing more than some lulz over internet butthurt (because frankly, why else would anyone bother?), there is something wrong.
All of this is getting really fucking ridiculous.
What strikes me as odd, is that when Les was attacking Adam and I in a really disgusting and low manner, simply because we called him a dumbass in a silly argument over Shleed, odeon didn't day a word. I know it escalated and I said awful things myself but at the start, we were just using playground insults like dumbass and old man etc. Les, however, wrote paragraphs of poisonous essays about Adam being trans and about his OCD - trying to trigger it. Yet odeon was completely fine with this. Before you mention us calling him a paedophile and me attacking his kids, that was bad yes but it only happened when things started to escalate.
Now suddenly, Butterflies calls Pandora "rancid" by proxy and she's the devil.
Something is clearly wrong here. Or maybe it's just that older people back older people here and vice versa with us young ones. It was something I noticed a while ago.
Yeah I really don't get what's so bad about the Rancid insult
Way worse things are said on this site
Also I don't think Butterflies ever plays the innocent little me thing - hasn't she said plenty of times herself that she;s acted badly
Yes. I'm the first to admit that I'm not a well behaved person, either here, or in RL.
I'm guilty of many things, but pretending I'm an angel isn't one of them.
You have said you behaved badly, but, you are quick in adding a but (he did .......)
Even when all added after the but is true, when added after a but, in many cases, it comes across as making what was said before the but less important, or even less true.
All I know is that Odeon was great with me throughout the Steve incident. Was clearly sad to be seeing Steve cop so much flack, but made clear he could see my point. I even non-seriously suggested that Steve would be trying to get some of us arrestef for cyber bullying.
Odoen said "he'll have to explain his own behaviour first"
I think Odeons comment about speaking to Les and now becoming morally outraged is very telling.
It might have, had it not been for the fact that I posted about this BEFORE I heard from Les. What pisses me off about how you've handled this, more than anything else, is that you don't see any reason to apologise. Most others involved have examined their actions but you, well, you act like that soldier from my previous post.
Your gut reaction throughout this whole mess has been to constantly shift blame and move goalposts, never to examine if there might have been something YOU could have done better or differently.
I kept out of this discussion mostly, for various reasons.
Think this discussion needs to be broader than just the TCO thing, if it needs to be discussed wider.
To find topics to include, one could search the posts of EBM. He is a very good observer, and he acts on it. He has made posts with the gist of "Not Cool" more than once. That would be a good way to find things to broaden this discussion.
I really don't want to start this all up again, just as it seems to be dying, but everyone, including me, agrees that what I said to Steve about Pandora, before she became involved was wrong. It appears to be over though. In fact, it happened a couple of months ago, and everyone other than you, appears to have moved on. Les has moved on from there.QuoteActually I've been talking to Sir Les as well as reading the old threads and realised that I should have posted more about all this earlier. Instead I was pissed off by what you did and remained mostly silent. Not completely, as you will note if you actually bother to read my older posts, so you are just wrong on this one.Can you please clarify what exactly it is that you think is so wrong that you need to speak out? I am not being funny or facetious i simply am unclear if it is the insult she used, or who she insulted, or the fb thing, or the TCO thing in general that has caused this reaction? I don't intend to start going around getting into fights and slanging matches but would just like to know in case i ever do?
Isolated, a lot of the TCO/Pandora stuff would not have merited a response. Put in context, however, I think this particular drama has developed in directions that I dislike enough to speak out. I have said more than once that I'm not always consistent--very few are--but I try to learn from my mistakes and not do the same ones more than once. So yes, I'm pretty sure there are times in the past when I should have reacted but for various reasons didn't.
But that's not how I would like to excuse myself if I stay silent or look the other way when I see something I think is wrong. Would you?
I don't think it's OK when people who have never been members here (Pandora, in this case) and have until then not been involved with the site get hurt and are seen as some kind of collateral damage and nothing to be particularly sorry about. Admit it was mean, sure, apologies, hell no.
There was something nasty about the whole thing that set it apart from most previous dramas. Personally found the rather merciless riling up of TCO when he returned after his self-imposed ban cruel and unnecessary and something that could have been avoided if the will had been there.
I'm all for backing up your shit and have flamed and been flamed on more than one occasion in the past but when people's actual real lives are being thrown into the fire for nothing more than some lulz over internet butthurt (because frankly, why else would anyone bother?), there is something wrong.
Why would I want to apologize to her now? I dislike her, and we ended up getting involved in a fight.
I've seen some real nasty shit be said about Pentys family, far worse than anything that has been said about Pandora, some of it probably by me, but I don't see anyone being expected to apologize to him over it.
You should because unless you think you are without fault, it's the decent thing to do. You were not without blame
People seem to be reading what butterflies is saying in two different ways. Some of u are seeing her being cowardly and shifting blame. Me and some others are seeing her admitting blame and accepting it was wrong .
Tbh I don't really see anyone being "better" than the other , to say so is ridiculous.Thanks Squiddy, and I fully agree.
Butterflies is not innocent and she has admitted this herself.
She made a remark about pandora to piss off Steve-O after he had told her he hopes she gets cancer and wishes death on her family.
"Rancid" was not a particularly nice thing of Butterflies to say , no but it was FAR less disgusting than what TCO said yet I didn't exactly see people tell him to stop what he was saying to her.
As for Butterflies pushing blame on to others , if she was doing that she would be claiming she was innocent not saying that she was as bad , the "but" thing is a mere fact, yes we did go over to facebook snd tried to discuss things civilly but none of us started mud slinging until Pandora flung insults at Bodie , THAT is when insults were aimed at Pandora and when the "Rancidora" name started being used.
Now can this finally be dropped? , there was shit on both sides and no one is better than the other.
Also Odeon , if you are so against non-members of this forum being targeted in such a way , where exactly were you complaining in the thread where Skyblue , Pikajedi and Farnsworth were threatening to use real-life info against Tambo-man?
Where were you complaining in the thread where Butterflies , Soph and I were targetting Parakeet whilst he was only a member of WP?
Please correct me if I am wrong but right now I am seeing a distinct double standard in a lot of people.
Buterly I agree, that is hOw i am seein this whole hint too. I hunk I am. Issuing what the main issue is
Sorry, ipod
I think that was meant to be that I was missing what the main issue was. Dunno what hunk was meant to be. think?
Sorry, ipod
I think that was meant to be that I was missing what the main issue was. Dunno what hunk was meant to be. think?
Sorry, ipod
I think that was meant to be that I was missing what the main issue was. Dunno what hunk was meant to be. think?
I honestly thought you were pissed. :laugh:
Odeon and Les have different issues.
Les believes that I called her Rancidora as a direct insult to him. Of course it wasn't directed at Les.
Odeon still seems to be going on about the fact that I said she was rancid 6 weeks ago, although he now just seems to want to prove that I'm a bad girl, and that I need disciplined :squiddy:.
Odeon and Les have different issues.
Les believes that I called her Rancidora as a direct insult to him. Of course it wasn't directed at Les.
Odeon still seems to be going on about the fact that I said she was rancid 6 weeks ago, although he now just seems to want to prove that I'm a bad girl, and that I need disciplined :squiddy:.
Way to put words in everybody's mouths. I don't think you have any idea what the issues are.
If Odeon isn't looking to prove to the site that I'm a bad girl, then I'll be happy to stand corrected.
If Odeon isn't looking to prove to the site that I'm a bad girl, then I'll be happy to stand corrected.
If Odeon doesn't prove to the site that you're a bad girl, then I'd be disappointed. ;) :eyebrows: :laugh:
If Odeon isn't looking to prove to the site that I'm a bad girl, then I'll be happy to stand corrected.
If Odeon doesn't prove to the site that you're a bad girl, then I'd be disappointed. ;) :eyebrows: :laugh:
Don't say that. I wouldn't be surprised to see him search for all the bad things I've said, and then present them to the site as evidence that I'm evil. :facepalm2:
Yeah I really don't get what's so bad about the Rancid insult
Way worse things are said on this site
Also I don't think Butterflies ever plays the innocent little me thing - hasn't she said plenty of times herself that she;s acted badly
Yes. I'm the first to admit that I'm not a well behaved person, either here, or in RL.
I'm guilty of many things, but pretending I'm an angel isn't one of them.
You have said you behaved badly, but, you are quick in adding a but (he did .......)
Even when all added after the but is true, when added after a but, in many cases, it comes across as making what was said before the but less important, or even less true.
It's a clever technique, isn't it?
I think it needs to be broadened, because, this seems to lead nowhere.I kept out of this discussion mostly, for various reasons.
Think this discussion needs to be broader than just the TCO thing, if it needs to be discussed wider.
To find topics to include, one could search the posts of EBM. He is a very good observer, and he acts on it. He has made posts with the gist of "Not Cool" more than once. That would be a good way to find things to broaden this discussion.
And why do you feel this discussion needs to be broadened?
But, I bet my but is bigger than yours. (Not going to back up my shit on this one :booty: )
But, I bet my but is bigger than yours. (Not going to back up my shit on this one :booty: )
MY butt is bigger than either of YOUR butts; if you don't believe me, call me out! :M :P
But, I bet my but is bigger than yours. (Not going to back up my shit on this one :booty: )
MY butt is bigger than either of YOUR butts; if you don't believe me, call me out! :M :P
Well at least your butt is bigger in spelling.
Will you back up your shit, if I call you out on this?
Or should we just meet somewhere around where Bodi lives, and decide there and then, whose arse is champion?
But, I bet my but is bigger than yours. (Not going to back up my shit on this one :booty: )
MY butt is bigger than either of YOUR butts; if you don't believe me, call me out! :M :P
Well at least your butt is bigger in spelling.
Will you back up your shit, if I call you out on this?
Or should we just meet somewhere around where Bodi lives, and decide there and then, whose arse is champion?
We probably need to meet in person somewhere, maybe next year. :2thumbsup:
What happend to the days when we could rip on eachother and it was all in good fun, and no one got butthurt over it and there weren't half a dozen call-outs over petty, stupid shit?? :'( :tantrum:
I think it needs to be broadened, because, this seems to lead nowhere.
If this discussion is about what the site should be about, then I'd like more examples, and more cases to think on. And then Squiddy is right in bringing TM into the discussion.
... I think what is part of the discussion here is how far are we "allowed" to go, to get our fun, and our confrontation. And, if it is about that, then this discussion needs to be a lot wider than focussing around Pandora.
Think it is time to move on beyond the discussion about Butterflies, to the discussion about the site. If we don't, this thread may go on till kingdom come, or December 21 2012, without leading anywhere.
I don't think it's OK when people who have never been members here (Pandora, in this case) and have until then not been involved with the site get hurt and are seen as some kind of collateral damage and nothing to be particularly sorry about. Admit it was mean, sure, apologies, hell no.
There was something nasty about the whole thing that set it apart from most previous dramas. Personally found the rather merciless riling up of TCO when he returned after his self-imposed ban cruel and unnecessary and something that could have been avoided if the will had been there.I thought so too. I cringe a bit thinking about it. I know a few people were involved in this and the one i remember distinctly is not Butterflies but MLA! So how come he is smelling of roses? well TCO said something about his kids...is that not justification! well Butterflies had a similar one so why doesn't his shit stink then? we can go on and on...
QuoteYou should because unless you think you are without fault, it's the decent thing to do. You were not without blame
Have never suggested I'm without blame. I don't think I'm without blame at all.
You are mistaking my apathy with believing I'm innocent.
People seem to be reading what butterflies is saying in two different ways. Some of u are seeing her being cowardly and shifting blame. Me and some others are seeing her admitting blame and accepting it was wrong .
Tbh I don't really see anyone being "better" than the other , to say so is ridiculous.
Butterflies is not innocent and she has admitted this herself.
She made a remark about pandora to piss off Steve-O after he had told her he hopes she gets cancer and wishes death on her family.
"Rancid" was not a particularly nice thing of Butterflies to say , no but it was FAR less disgusting than what TCO said yet I didn't exactly see people tell him to stop what he was saying to her.
As for Butterflies pushing blame on to others , if she was doing that she would be claiming she was innocent not saying that she was as bad , the "but" thing is a mere fact, yes we did go over to facebook snd tried to discuss things civilly but none of us started mud slinging until Pandora flung insults at Bodie , THAT is when insults were aimed at Pandora and when the "Rancidora" name started being used.
Now can this finally be dropped? , there was shit on both sides and no one is better than the other.
Also Odeon , if you are so against non-members of this forum being targeted in such a way , where exactly were you complaining in the thread where Skyblue , Pikajedi and Farnsworth were threatening to use real-life info against Tambo-man?
Where were you complaining in the thread where Butterflies , Soph and I were targetting Parakeet whilst he was only a member of WP?
Please correct me if I am wrong but right now I am seeing a distinct double standard in a lot of people.
If Odeon isn't looking to prove to the site that I'm a bad girl, then I'll be happy to stand corrected.
If Odeon doesn't prove to the site that you're a bad girl, then I'd be disappointed. ;) :eyebrows: :laugh:
Don't say that. I wouldn't be surprised to see him search for all the bad things I've said, and then present them to the site as evidence that I'm evil. :facepalm2:
What happend to the days when we could rip on eachother and it was all in good fun, and no one got butthurt over it and there weren't half a dozen call-outs over petty, stupid shit?? :'( :tantrum:
If Odeon isn't looking to prove to the site that I'm a bad girl, then I'll be happy to stand corrected.
If Odeon doesn't prove to the site that you're a bad girl, then I'd be disappointed. ;) :eyebrows: :laugh:
Don't say that. I wouldn't be surprised to see him search for all the bad things I've said, and then present them to the site as evidence that I'm evil. :facepalm2:
But, I bet my but is bigger than yours. (Not going to back up my shit on this one :booty: )
MY butt is bigger than either of YOUR butts; if you don't believe me, call me out! :M :P
I think it needs to be broadened, because, this seems to lead nowhere.
it's perfectly OK if it leads nowhereQuoteIf this discussion is about what the site should be about, then I'd like more examples, and more cases to think on. And then Squiddy is right in bringing TM into the discussion.
... I think what is part of the discussion here is how far are we "allowed" to go, to get our fun, and our confrontation. And, if it is about that, then this discussion needs to be a lot wider than focussing around Pandora.
Think it is time to move on beyond the discussion about Butterflies, to the discussion about the site. If we don't, this thread may go on till kingdom come, or December 21 2012, without leading anywhere.
No, no and no.
We don't need to discuss what this site is about because that's the beginning of censorship/moderation.
We are "allowed" to say and do anything within Hostgator's TOS, that's a settled issue IMO and one that odeon has repeatedly said.
If this site changes because of the TCO shit, then he has won. He had been trying all along to control peoples behavior and if we change because of him, he has succeeded. >:(
QuoteI don't think it's OK when people who have never been members here (Pandora, in this case) and have until then not been involved with the site get hurt and are seen as some kind of collateral damage and nothing to be particularly sorry about. Admit it was mean, sure, apologies, hell no.
I agree totally. Woody was another one you might say was collateral damage. Let's face it, there are a few we could bring up. Is it ok to mock and ridicule Woody because he plays a trumpet, has religious beliefs and because it seems his elevator does not go straight to the top? Do you not think he was also 'hurt' when he realised (if he has yet i don't know) that he was made a fool of? That poor sod didn't even have anyone to stand up and say 'oi' on his behalf!
Butterflies doesn't habitually go around insulting members friends. I don't see her making unprovoked attacks on innocent people in the near future either. She has already stated she has learned from all this and in hindsight would have played it differently.
I am still not sure of the goals behind this call out. I don't think an apology was requested and i don't see one on the horizon so what is to be gained by repeatedly conducting an autopsy?
We already know TCO behaves like a cunt. does that mean that others have to? Does it make it OK? Desirable, even?
you might want to look up the threads and study the order in which the drama unfolded.
Not sure I read it at the time, only when the drama spread and eris brought it up. When I was made aware of it, the main focus was already on eris's case. I do believe I did address it, though.
Parakeet, AFAIK, was never collateral damage like Pandora was, but quite active elsewhere. I never read the WP threads but as I understood it at the time, you had legitimate issues to settle and that sort of thing was part of the concept behind I2, as Pyraxis and others will confirm. Do you see the difference between someone like Parakeet and Pandora?
If you don't, please tell me why.
I'm not saying I can't be inconsistent--I believe I pointed it out in a previous post. Quite the contrary. In this case I fail to see a double standard, however.
QuoteYou should because unless you think you are without fault, it's the decent thing to do. You were not without blame
Have never suggested I'm without blame. I don't think I'm without blame at all.
You are mistaking my apathy with believing I'm innocent.
If you'd been apathetic I would have seen the difference.
So. Instead of just bitching about me, why don't you start your little discussion on the future of the site.
Seems pointless just going over and over like this when both of us have made our views clear, and are unlikely to change.
You think my behaviour was rancid and reprehensible. I think you're just butthurt because Les claims to have left.
How much longer do you want us to keep this pathetic drama going for? When other people are involved in drama, you're often one of the first to say it's getting old. Now you seem determined to drag this out as long as possible.
Butterflies doesn't habitually go around insulting members friends. I don't see her making unprovoked attacks on innocent people in the near future either. She has already stated she has learned from all this and in hindsight would have played it differently.
I am still not sure of the goals behind this call out. I don't think an apology was requested and i don't see one on the horizon so what is to be gained by repeatedly conducting an autopsy?
It's not a callout, really, just a little learning experience for Butterflies. I doubt Sir Les is interested in continuing his thread.
We already know TCO behaves like a cunt. does that mean that others have to? Does it make it OK? Desirable, even?
It is not desirable but why should anyone not act like a cunt to TCO?
My point was a very big fuss was made of frankly a very small remark , something which is miniscule in comparison to what TCO said and yet he did not get the shit Butterflies did.
you might want to look up the threads and study the order in which the drama unfolded.
I have.
Butterflies did not start with attacks on his family members she retaliated.
but none of us started mud slinging until Pandora flung insults at Bodie , THAT is when insults were aimed at Pandora and when the "Rancidora" name started being used.
In fact I seem to remember TCO was sending PM's to Butterflies at first about her family , so Butterflies may not be any better in a sense , but at least she had the balls to say it in the open.
Not sure I read it at the time, only when the drama spread and eris brought it up. When I was made aware of it, the main focus was already on eris's case. I do believe I did address it, though.
Right ok , I take that back then.Parakeet, AFAIK, was never collateral damage like Pandora was, but quite active elsewhere. I never read the WP threads but as I understood it at the time, you had legitimate issues to settle and that sort of thing was part of the concept behind I2, as Pyraxis and others will confirm. Do you see the difference between someone like Parakeet and Pandora?
If you don't, please tell me why.
Parakeet made comments towards Soph and threatened legal action.
Pandora made comments about Butterflies and Binty.
There is a lot of similarities so I don't see how you can say Parakeet was justified and Pandora wasn't.
I'm not saying I can't be inconsistent--I believe I pointed it out in a previous post. Quite the contrary. In this case I fail to see a double standard, however.
Read above.
QuoteYou should because unless you think you are without fault, it's the decent thing to do. You were not without blame
Have never suggested I'm without blame. I don't think I'm without blame at all.
You are mistaking my apathy with believing I'm innocent.
If you'd been apathetic I would have seen the difference.
Because you always know better, right?
The truth is out there :zoinks:
It's not a callout, really, just a little learning experience for Butterflies. I doubt Sir Les is interested in continuing his thread.
Was that spot, behind the shed, in your backyard, a good place to hide his body?? :orly:
I wonder what she has learned? ???
Well Odeon. If the only reason you're keeping this drama going is to try and show the members that Im bad, then Im going to try and do the sensible thing and try and keep out of it.
You seem to be the only person involved, so I will try and just ignore your bullshit, and leave you to speak to yourself.
That's what I meant indeed. Not in favour of implementing any rules that go beyond the ones of the TOS. Never was, and never will be I think. Moderation and I2 will wreck the thing.I think it needs to be broadened, because, this seems to lead nowhere.
it's perfectly OK if it leads nowhereQuoteIf this discussion is about what the site should be about, then I'd like more examples, and more cases to think on. And then Squiddy is right in bringing TM into the discussion.
... I think what is part of the discussion here is how far are we "allowed" to go, to get our fun, and our confrontation. And, if it is about that, then this discussion needs to be a lot wider than focussing around Pandora.
Think it is time to move on beyond the discussion about Butterflies, to the discussion about the site. If we don't, this thread may go on till kingdom come, or December 21 2012, without leading anywhere.
No, no and no.
We don't need to discuss what this site is about because that's the beginning of censorship/moderation.
We are "allowed" to say and do anything within Hostgator's TOS, that's a settled issue IMO and one that odeon has repeatedly said.
If this site changes because of the TCO shit, then he has won. He had been trying all along to control peoples behavior and if we change because of him, he has succeeded. >:(
:plus:
I understand what you are saying and wouldn't dream of introducing moderation or rules here. A discussion in this case is just that, a discussion. IF people choose to listen and do something differently, it's their choice, just as it is their choice to tell the posters to fuck off.
Free speech is not just a right but a responsibility. In that responsibility should be included other people's right to be heard.
So are you saying two wrongs do make a right?Well Odeon. If the only reason you're keeping this drama going is to try and show the members that Im bad, then Im going to try and do the sensible thing and try and keep out of it.
You seem to be the only person involved, so I will try and just ignore your bullshit, and leave you to speak to yourself.
Isn't as much fun to be on the receiving end, is it?
So are you saying two wrongs do make a right?Well Odeon. If the only reason you're keeping this drama going is to try and show the members that Im bad, then Im going to try and do the sensible thing and try and keep out of it.
You seem to be the only person involved, so I will try and just ignore your bullshit, and leave you to speak to yourself.
Isn't as much fun to be on the receiving end, is it?
not as long as its done in a constructive waySo are you saying two wrongs do make a right?Well Odeon. If the only reason you're keeping this drama going is to try and show the members that Im bad, then Im going to try and do the sensible thing and try and keep out of it.
You seem to be the only person involved, so I will try and just ignore your bullshit, and leave you to speak to yourself.
Isn't as much fun to be on the receiving end, is it?
Am I wrong in pointing out the errors in her ways?
I think it needs to be broadened, because, this seems to lead nowhere.
it's perfectly OK if it leads nowhere
That's the thing, really. If her behaviour was to become the norm, I think we would all lose.Are you working your way through a list of people?
It's not the remark, it never was, it's the viciousness displayed and the total lack of remorse, later thinly disguised. It's that an innocent person was caught in the crossfire in her eagerness to flame what was an exceptionally easy target. It's the cold calculation when planning and the gloat when recapitulating perceived victories, and the willingness to always take it a little bit further.
And the fuss I create now is nothing in comparison, but important, nevertheless. I think it's necessary for her to find out about how things are on the receiving end for a change.
You didn't start the mud-slinging at FB first, you started it here.
The two wrongs does make a right argument, with a twist. I have already commented on those.
Parakeet was a participant. Pandora hadn't said a word when she was forced into this. You are confusing the timeline again, unless you support pre-emptive strikes.
It keeps going and going and going and going and going and going and going :wanker:
It keeps going and going and going and going and going and going and going :wanker:
:indeed:
One day hopefully everyone will get over it.
But, I bet my but is bigger than yours. (Not going to back up my shit on this one :booty: )
MY butt is bigger than either of YOUR butts; if you don't believe me, call me out! :M :P
This matter is very easily settled by you both posting pictures and letting the members judge for themselves. :M
You know what the fucking problem is?
Butterflies is acting like an NT.
It keeps going and going and going and going and going and going and going :wanker:
I'd just like to point out.Arguing about various things went on before TCO ever joined I2, some arguments even involved anger. :o Doing, or not doing, something based on what we might infer about TCOs desires seems like a piss poor way to decide what to post, or not post, IMO. Of course you are free to consider WWTCOD in all your future decisions if it suits you.
You do realise carrying on this frankly beyond decaying drama , is probably exactly what TCO would have wanted?
To continue creating arguments and anger between people even after he had left?
Not necessarily. Why are you so concerned about a minor dust up between odeon and Butterflies? You have frequently jumped in to arguments with both feet and now appear to be greatly disturbed that arguments happen here. :dunno:You know what the fucking problem is?
Butterflies is acting like an NT.
And with that line you instantly discredited your argument.
Good job.
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It will take a bit of typing to outdo Meadow's threads. What a toxic bitch. I miss her sometimes. :'((http://adage.com/century/graphics/icon_bunny.jpg)
Hey, don't knock it, we're going for the record. :hamsterwheel: :pirate:
It will take a bit of typing to outdo Meadow's threads. What a toxic bitch. I miss her sometimes. :'((http://adage.com/century/graphics/icon_bunny.jpg)
Hey, don't knock it, we're going for the record. :hamsterwheel: :pirate:
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Hey, don't knock it, we're going for the record. :hamsterwheel: :pirate:
:lol: :plus:It will take a bit of typing to outdo Meadow's threads. What a toxic bitch. I miss her sometimes. :'((http://adage.com/century/graphics/icon_bunny.jpg)
Hey, don't knock it, we're going for the record. :hamsterwheel: :pirate:
I miss labor pains, but I wouldn't want to go through them again. :zombiefuck:
Why thank you. Glad to hear you've still got your head in the sand.
:calodeon:
*takes a bow*
I'd just like to point out.Arguing about various things went on before TCO ever joined I2, some arguments even involved anger. :o Doing, or not doing, something based on what we might infer about TCOs desires seems like a piss poor way to decide what to post, or not post, IMO. Of course you are free to consider WWTCOD in all your future decisions if it suits you.
You do realise carrying on this frankly beyond decaying drama , is probably exactly what TCO would have wanted?
To continue creating arguments and anger between people even after he had left?Not necessarily. Why are you so concerned about a minor dust up between odeon and Butterflies? You have frequently jumped in to arguments with both feet and now appear to be greatly disturbed that arguments happen here. :dunno:You know what the fucking problem is?
Butterflies is acting like an NT.
And with that line you instantly discredited your argument.
Good job.
You know what the fucking problem is?:fp: :emb: :tinfoil:
Butterflies is acting like an NT.
Yes, I'm going to be a raging bigot here. Bear with me.
She successfully got a posse together and hounded down a spazztastic fucktard and made his life miserable to the point of epic meltdown. Now she's back on her own territory, her friends are all patting her on the back while she further talks shit about him and anyone who objects to the whole mess. When she thinks she's going to get in trouble she makes excuses for her behavior. When she thinks she'll get more social credit for owning up, she owns up. If that's not NT social chameleon bullshit, I never went to middle school.
Go on, Butterflies. You've graduated. You are successfully able to bully an autistic man and his possibly battered wife. Yay for you. Asperger's or not, you've graduated Intensity.
Now turn around, if you're a decent human being, and think about what it would mean to use that ability well.
There's a reason the kids here keep insisting you're fine and the big guns got outraged. This community is about enabling the spazzes. Who are you enabling? Yourself? That's great, if you're still young and learning. That's just fine, self-empowerment and all that. But once you get adept at it, then further grinding the point home - and doing your utmost to minimize it and erase it when people call you on it - crosses the line into cruelty.
Sure, we can tolerate it. We all want to get by in the NT world, right? Learning more and more NT behavior is only an advantage.
But I for one don't think it makes for a good community. It only repeats the bullshit that created a need for an Intensity in the first place.
I don't think Butterflies is evil. I do think she needs to grow up.
You know what the fucking problem is?:fp: :emb: :tinfoil:
Butterflies is acting like an NT.
Yes, I'm going to be a raging bigot here. Bear with me.
She successfully got a posse together and hounded down a spazztastic fucktard and made his life miserable to the point of epic meltdown. Now she's back on her own territory, her friends are all patting her on the back while she further talks shit about him and anyone who objects to the whole mess. When she thinks she's going to get in trouble she makes excuses for her behavior. When she thinks she'll get more social credit for owning up, she owns up. If that's not NT social chameleon bullshit, I never went to middle school.
Go on, Butterflies. You've graduated. You are successfully able to bully an autistic man and his possibly battered wife. Yay for you. Asperger's or not, you've graduated Intensity.
Now turn around, if you're a decent human being, and think about what it would mean to use that ability well.
There's a reason the kids here keep insisting you're fine and the big guns got outraged. This community is about enabling the spazzes. Who are you enabling? Yourself? That's great, if you're still young and learning. That's just fine, self-empowerment and all that. But once you get adept at it, then further grinding the point home - and doing your utmost to minimize it and erase it when people call you on it - crosses the line into cruelty.
Sure, we can tolerate it. We all want to get by in the NT world, right? Learning more and more NT behavior is only an advantage.
But I for one don't think it makes for a good community. It only repeats the bullshit that created a need for an Intensity in the first place.
I don't think Butterflies is evil. I do think she needs to grow up.
You know what the fucking problem is?:fp: :emb: :tinfoil:
Butterflies is acting like an NT.
Yes, I'm going to be a raging bigot here. Bear with me.
She successfully got a posse together and hounded down a spazztastic fucktard and made his life miserable to the point of epic meltdown. Now she's back on her own territory, her friends are all patting her on the back while she further talks shit about him and anyone who objects to the whole mess. When she thinks she's going to get in trouble she makes excuses for her behavior. When she thinks she'll get more social credit for owning up, she owns up. If that's not NT social chameleon bullshit, I never went to middle school.
Go on, Butterflies. You've graduated. You are successfully able to bully an autistic man and his possibly battered wife. Yay for you. Asperger's or not, you've graduated Intensity.
Now turn around, if you're a decent human being, and think about what it would mean to use that ability well.
There's a reason the kids here keep insisting you're fine and the big guns got outraged. This community is about enabling the spazzes. Who are you enabling? Yourself? That's great, if you're still young and learning. That's just fine, self-empowerment and all that. But once you get adept at it, then further grinding the point home - and doing your utmost to minimize it and erase it when people call you on it - crosses the line into cruelty.
Sure, we can tolerate it. We all want to get by in the NT world, right? Learning more and more NT behavior is only an advantage.
But I for one don't think it makes for a good community. It only repeats the bullshit that created a need for an Intensity in the first place.
I don't think Butterflies is evil. I do think she needs to grow up.
You need to grow up you big evil bad bully. >:( :bigcry:
You know what the fucking problem is?:fp: :emb: :tinfoil:
Butterflies is acting like an NT.
Yes, I'm going to be a raging bigot here. Bear with me.
She successfully got a posse together and hounded down a spazztastic fucktard and made his life miserable to the point of epic meltdown. Now she's back on her own territory, her friends are all patting her on the back while she further talks shit about him and anyone who objects to the whole mess. When she thinks she's going to get in trouble she makes excuses for her behavior. When she thinks she'll get more social credit for owning up, she owns up. If that's not NT social chameleon bullshit, I never went to middle school.
Go on, Butterflies. You've graduated. You are successfully able to bully an autistic man and his possibly battered wife. Yay for you. Asperger's or not, you've graduated Intensity.
Now turn around, if you're a decent human being, and think about what it would mean to use that ability well.
There's a reason the kids here keep insisting you're fine and the big guns got outraged. This community is about enabling the spazzes. Who are you enabling? Yourself? That's great, if you're still young and learning. That's just fine, self-empowerment and all that. But once you get adept at it, then further grinding the point home - and doing your utmost to minimize it and erase it when people call you on it - crosses the line into cruelty.
Sure, we can tolerate it. We all want to get by in the NT world, right? Learning more and more NT behavior is only an advantage.
But I for one don't think it makes for a good community. It only repeats the bullshit that created a need for an Intensity in the first place.
I don't think Butterflies is evil. I do think she needs to grow up.
You need to grow up you big evil bad bully. >:( :bigcry:
I know. I am soooooooo bad >:D
:shamone: :shamone:
I'm not sure what you're referring to , I meant the argument over the rancid insult etc etc , IMO I think TCO would have wanted trouble to stir up over this.I don't base my decisions on what to post based on WWTCOD. He is not here, aside from an occasional passing thought of him falling off a pier I don't invest much time in wondering what he wants or doesn't want. Trying to dissuade odeon from posting his opinion on Butterflies by throwing TCO's perceived wants and desires out there is ridiculous argumentation.
I'm not disturbed arguments happen here , I just really cannot see why this argument is still going on and why there is a need for it to continue, I'm not demanding it stop of course but I still fail to see the point in all this. :dunno:While you are not blatantly demanding that it stop you appear to be uncomfortable about it. Does Butterflies need your help? Is there any reason that she cannot handle odeon on her own?
An amazing stroke of luck that ButterfliesShould odeon be censured for having the temerity to disagree with Butterflies bodie? Maybe she should be immune from having others disagree with her http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,14881.0.html (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,14881.0.html) she is wearing big girl panties. I don't get why you and squid appear to be of a mind that she needs protected from odeon. What's up with that?
was bad here...
...very lucky for her she was in a place of righteous correction! and now is on the right path.
:borg:
While you are not blatantly demanding that it stop you appear to be uncomfortable about it. Does Butterflies need your help? Is there any reason that she cannot handle odeon on her own?
What am I, chopped liver? :LOL: :bigcry:
It is not a vendetta, it is a disagreement and bodie and squid both appear to me to be aghast at the idea that anyone would have a disagreement with you. That is why I posted the link to my poll about protected classes. Throwing red herrings about how I2 1. will be moderated 2. is a place of righteous correction or 3. WWTCOD is just providing distractions as covering fire instead of addressing what odeon has said. If they were actually addressing what odeon said rather than burying the thread in bullshit I would just continue spectating.QuoteWhile you are not blatantly demanding that it stop you appear to be uncomfortable about it. Does Butterflies need your help? Is there any reason that she cannot handle odeon on her own?
TBH PPK, I can use all the help I can get here.
Odeon has admitted "I think it's necessary for her to find out about how things are on the receiving end for a change". So yes. I'm very appreciative of anyone who offers support here.
If this was a real callout, then I'd agree with you, but this is just a vedetta from Odeon.
I will greatfully accept any help they offer.So fucking what! I don't weigh in on every fucking topic here.
You didnt criticize Odeon when he was trying to get people to lay off Steve.
You're way too nice to possibly have a vendetta
I think you really like me, but are just too shy to say, so you bitch at me :eyelash:
Don't worry. I used to be the same.
You're way too nice to possibly have a vendetta
I think you really like me, but are just too shy to say, so you bitch at me :eyelash:
Don't worry. I used to be the same.
You've got to be kidding me. :zombiefuck:
Quoting this for posterity, because it's going to matter.
I will greatfully accept any help they offer.So fucking what! I don't weigh in on every fucking topic here.
You didnt criticize Odeon when he was trying to get people to lay off Steve.
You're way too nice to possibly have a vendetta
I think you really like me, but are just too shy to say, so you bitch at me :eyelash:
Don't worry. I used to be the same.
You've got to be kidding me. :zombiefuck:
Quoting this for posterity, because it's going to matter.
Aww. It's OK. Please don't feel embarrassed :hug:
I'm sure you're really nice, but I just dont think we'd be compatable.
I am sorry.
Throwing red herrings into a discussion about I2 being moderated, I2 being a place of righteous correction, WWTCOD or whether or not I posted to protest odeon sticking up for TCO is not criticizing odeon's behavior. It is simply throwing bullshit into a fan :shitfan: as a distraction.I will greatfully accept any help they offer.So fucking what! I don't weigh in on every fucking topic here.
You didnt criticize Odeon when he was trying to get people to lay off Steve.
If Odeon has the right to behave in whatever way he wants, which I fully agree he does, then others have the right to act how they want, and if that involves criticizing Odeons behaviour, then that is fine.
You're way too nice to possibly have a vendetta
I think you really like me, but are just too shy to say, so you bitch at me :eyelash:
Don't worry. I used to be the same.
You've got to be kidding me. :zombiefuck:
Quoting this for posterity, because it's going to matter.
Aww. It's OK. Please don't feel embarrassed :hug:
I'm sure you're really nice, but I just dont think we'd be compatable.
I am sorry.
Exhibit one: Manipulation to provoke.
Determine your target's desired self-image. Respond to them as if they were the opposite.
Throwing red herrings into a discussion about I2 being moderated, I2 being a place of righteous correction, WWTCOD or whether or not I posted to protest odeon sticking up for TCO is not criticizing odeon's behavior. It is simply throwing bullshit into a fan :shitfan: as a distraction.I will greatfully accept any help they offer.So fucking what! I don't weigh in on every fucking topic here.
You didnt criticize Odeon when he was trying to get people to lay off Steve.
If Odeon has the right to behave in whatever way he wants, which I fully agree he does, then others have the right to act how they want, and if that involves criticizing Odeons behaviour, then that is fine.
OK, but I appreciate their comments, and you are in no more of a position to tell them what they can and can't post, as I am to tell Odeon what he can and can't post.Well there goes the odeon has an opinion = moderation theory out the window. :clap: I can call bullshit when I see it, whether it involves bodie claiming that odeon disagrees with you = I2 is a place of righteous correction or you responding to my post with the non sequitur that I didn't criticize odeon at a particular time.
They can, and they will post what they want. Just as you will, and just as Odeon will.
I've filled 17 pages all by myself? I never knew I had it in me.
I am just posting whatever is in my head. If odeon wants to do a call out with Butterflies then it is fine with me. I don't have a history of butting in on call outs. This was not a call out. Odeon said it was a lesson. It's surely up to me if i dislike the teaching methods. I really don't. It is no big deal. Yes i agree Butterflies really doesn't need my input.An amazing stroke of luck that ButterfliesShould odeon be censured for having the temerity to disagree with Butterflies bodie? Maybe she should be immune from having others disagree with her http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,14881.0.html (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,14881.0.html) she is wearing big girl panties. I don't get why you and squid appear to be of a mind that she needs protected from odeon. What's up with that?
was bad here...
...very lucky for her she was in a place of righteous correction! and now is on the right path.
:borg:
QuoteYou should because unless you think you are without fault, it's the decent thing to do. You were not without blame
Have never suggested I'm without blame. I don't think I'm without blame at all.
You are mistaking my apathy with believing I'm innocent.
If you'd been apathetic I would have seen the difference.
Because you always know better, right?
No, but her actions re this had nothing to do with apathy. It's an interesting line of defence, though. I'd love to hear the reasoning behind it.
I am just disappointed. I was expecting the punchline to be something more profound. Maybe something that would make me think 'ah now i see what the point is to all of this'. When you said "Isn't as much fun to be on the receiving end, is it?" and "It's not a callout, really, just a little learning experience for Butterflies. I doubt Sir Les is interested in continuing his thread. " then it made me think of how you addressed squids argument with "The two wrongs does make a right argument, with a twist."So are you saying two wrongs do make a right?Well Odeon. If the only reason you're keeping this drama going is to try and show the members that Im bad, then Im going to try and do the sensible thing and try and keep out of it.
You seem to be the only person involved, so I will try and just ignore your bullshit, and leave you to speak to yourself.
Isn't as much fun to be on the receiving end, is it?
Am I wrong in pointing out the errors in her ways?
QuoteI don't think it's OK when people who have never been members here (Pandora, in this case) and have until then not been involved with the site get hurt and are seen as some kind of collateral damage and nothing to be particularly sorry about. Admit it was mean, sure, apologies, hell no.
I agree totally. Woody was another one you might say was collateral damage. Let's face it, there are a few we could bring up. Is it ok to mock and ridicule Woody because he plays a trumpet, has religious beliefs and because it seems his elevator does not go straight to the top? Do you not think he was also 'hurt' when he realised (if he has yet i don't know) that he was made a fool of? That poor sod didn't even have anyone to stand up and say 'oi' on his behalf!
It's not the remark, it never was, it's the viciousness displayed and the total lack of remorse, later thinly disguised. It's that an innocent person was caught in the crossfire in her eagerness to flame what was an exceptionally easy target. It's the cold calculation when planning and the gloat when recapitulating perceived victories, and the willingness to always take it a little bit further.
"innocent" , no one is innocent in that drama.
Not Bodie , not TCO , not me , Not Butterflies and not Pandora.
Yes Tco may be controlling but Pandora is an adult and fully capable of making her own decisions , Pandora made the decision to make poisonous remarks about Binty's relationships and paint Butterflies as some extremely evil person.
You go on about Butterflies seeing the consequences of her behaviour but at the same time advocate that another is an "innocent person" and the response to the insults and lies they decided to sling were "cruel"?
Now do you see the double standard?And the fuss I create now is nothing in comparison, but important, nevertheless. I think it's necessary for her to find out about how things are on the receiving end for a change.
Hardly a fuss , more like Les running in making a few posts then running off again , you going on for some reason and Hyke and Pyraxis interjecting here and there.You didn't start the mud-slinging at FB first, you started it here.
I really did not , maybe MLA or others did but I tried to be reasonable on FB.The two wrongs does make a right argument, with a twist. I have already commented on those.
Not two wrongs make a right at all.
I said that Butterflies was not right to retaliate in a similar method to what TCO did , I merely noted that she said it in the open and it was nohere near as bad IMO as what he had said.Parakeet was a participant. Pandora hadn't said a word when she was forced into this. You are confusing the timeline again, unless you support pre-emptive strikes.
I believe you are confusing the timelines.
Yes Pandora was forced into this but not by butterflies, remember TCO claiming that if he hit Pandora it would have been butterflies's fault?
This is going in circles. :facepalm2:
That's the thing, really. If her behaviour was to become the norm, I think we would all lose.Are you working your way through a list of people?
Squid I did not run in and make a few posts and run out again. Any particular reason you would choose to say this about me? I am not on the run over this. I simply came onto I2 after much thought whether i would bother and posted. Is that running in? It is not is it? Why would you say so? I did not run off. I answered a few posts and thought "Fuck it have already started repeating myself over and over and i doubt anyone gets it and i don't know whether i care enough to continually go over and over. Not sure I want to be here because I don't actually like the environment and i would rather be doing something I enjoy. Then I left. You know this though too.
What is more of a concern is this little piece
Pandora made the decision to make poisonous remarks about Binty's relationships and paint Butterflies as some extremely evil person.
Considering that I not only said that TCO made these remarks (from Pandora's account) about Bint, I also PM'ed you the actual quote he wrote from an email to me that said this explicitly, why say this?
You KNOW it is blatantly untrue but you put it out there anyway?
THAT I don't get.
Py is right about something. The social subtleties of conversations are not my strong point. I am aspie. Most here are. Most here will not get the clever miswordings or misrepresentations or whatever. Py was not using NT as a dirty word and so no Squiddy, she did not discredit herself by saying so regardless of whether you see what she sees.
She is using it to say that Butterflies seems to be very clever with using subtle nuances and changing meaning. It is something my mother was particularly good at. It is deceptive and manipulating in the same way that misrepresenting someone's position and then arguing against the misrepsented falsity is clever and deceptive...if you don''t get caught.
Works like this Squid.
A argues X
B claims that A's argument is Y and then defends against Y.
Unless A can address Y then B skirts around having to make account of themselves for X.
I don't base my decisions on what to post based on WWTCOD. He is not here, aside from an occasional passing thought of him falling off a pier I don't invest much time in wondering what he wants or doesn't want. Trying to dissuade odeon from posting his opinion on Butterflies by throwing TCO's perceived wants and desires out there is ridiculous argumentation.
While you are not blatantly demanding that it stop you appear to be uncomfortable about it. Does Butterflies need your help? Is there any reason that she cannot handle odeon on her own?
I am just disappointed. I was expecting the punchline to be something more profound. Maybe something that would make me think 'ah now i see what the point is to all of this'. When you said "Isn't as much fun to be on the receiving end, is it?" and "It's not a callout, really, just a little learning experience for Butterflies. I doubt Sir Les is interested in continuing his thread. " then it made me think of how you addressed squids argument with "The two wrongs does make a right argument, with a twist."So are you saying two wrongs do make a right?Well Odeon. If the only reason you're keeping this drama going is to try and show the members that Im bad, then Im going to try and do the sensible thing and try and keep out of it.
You seem to be the only person involved, so I will try and just ignore your bullshit, and leave you to speak to yourself.
Isn't as much fun to be on the receiving end, is it?
Am I wrong in pointing out the errors in her ways?
A double twist i think! Reminds me of 'do as i say and not as i do'. Maybe this tactic has worked for you before and you got the result.
Has she seen the errors of her ways? I think in teaching her a lesson like this, and the fact that she hasn't run off crying, you may have inadvertently assisted in giving her a 'bad girl reputation' that she may or may not wish to live up to.
I am just disappointed. I was expecting the punchline to be something more profound. Maybe something that would make me think 'ah now i see what the point is to all of this'. When you said "Isn't as much fun to be on the receiving end, is it?" and "It's not a callout, really, just a little learning experience for Butterflies. I doubt Sir Les is interested in continuing his thread. " then it made me think of how you addressed squids argument with "The two wrongs does make a right argument, with a twist."So are you saying two wrongs do make a right?Well Odeon. If the only reason you're keeping this drama going is to try and show the members that Im bad, then Im going to try and do the sensible thing and try and keep out of it.
You seem to be the only person involved, so I will try and just ignore your bullshit, and leave you to speak to yourself.
Isn't as much fun to be on the receiving end, is it?
Am I wrong in pointing out the errors in her ways?
A double twist i think! Reminds me of 'do as i say and not as i do'. Maybe this tactic has worked for you before and you got the result.
Has she seen the errors of her ways? I think in teaching her a lesson like this, and the fact that she hasn't run off crying, you may have inadvertently assisted in giving her a 'bad girl reputation' that she may or may not wish to live up to.
I think I've explained the reasons behind my posts enough times; whether or not they are in the form of a callout is neither here nor there.
As for profoundness, do YOU think the viciousness displayed by Butterflies when hunting down TCO and Pandora was warranted? TCO was hardly a worthy opponent and causing him another meltdown isn't enough stuff for Flaming 101. Do you think it's something I2 members should engage in more?
I don't think we should. Not just because we can, and certainly not when one of the targets this time wasn't even part of the original flamewar.
There's a reason for the word "posse", in this context. How else would you describe it? Just a couple of mates strolling by to offer a few opinions? You do know what posses do, right?
You know Odeon. It's really sad. You seem desperate to get people to join you on your little witchhunt.
It shows that you are a nasty little person. You show all the signs of of a wannabe demagogue, attempting to whip the masses up into a little lynch mob.
At least when I choose to fight someone, I try to do it myself.
Imagine getting so morally outraged by my behaviour, thay you deal with your butthurt by behaving at least as bad as I've ever behaved.
^ Not sure if you're grouping me into the "posse" or not there.
can't speak for the others but will say I went onto FB originally because Pandora (or TCO as it seems to be) was saying things I disagreed with.
As for TCO , I just gave my opinion on him , did bait him by creating the BIG FUCKING PETER and BIG FUCKING PETERS smilies I guess after seeing him spazz and spout off at a few undeserving people I.e Jack I don't feel bad for that however.
Of course you and Pyraxis are free to see this as just me shirking responsibility and can claim I am part of some "posse" , but all I cany say is I react on what I think is right / wrong , what others do is up to them.
What butthurt? For what reason?That's obvious. You think Les has left the site. He has blamed me, so you blame me.
Moral outrage? Really? Well, if pointing out that what you did was over the top is moral outrage, I can live with that. Beats the alternative.You had adequately pointed out your opinion 20 pages ago, I think we all get the point.
I sort of like your lynch mob insinuation. Tells me that you somehow need to reverse the tables; instead of you and the posse it's now me and the lynch mob. Amusing but painfully far off the mark.Not really. You aren't a lynch mob, just as I wasn't part of a lynch mob on FB. If you read the drama on FB, you'll see that it was no lynching. In fact, I was perfectly civil to her.
Just to take one example, are you aware of the fact that Pyraxis and I will usually disagree on mostly everything? That she has been and still is one of my more vocal critics?Yes, but at the moment her hatred for me is clearly greater than her dislike of you. TBH she doesn't seem to have any idea what really went on anyway.
^ Not sure if you're grouping me into the "posse" or not there.
can't speak for the others but will say I went onto FB originally because Pandora (or TCO as it seems to be) was saying things I disagreed with.
As for TCO , I just gave my opinion on him , did bait him by creating the BIG FUCKING PETER and BIG FUCKING PETERS smilies I guess after seeing him spazz and spout off at a few undeserving people I.e Jack I don't feel bad for that however.
Of course you and Pyraxis are free to see this as just me shirking responsibility and can claim I am part of some "posse" , but all I cany say is I react on what I think is right / wrong , what others do is up to them.
In that you were one of the people who went over there, yes, you were part of that posse. But I think there is a difference between Butterflies and the others, tbh. Every single one of you has examined their involvement, I think. She has not, other than to try to silence the accusations. Those she frequently qualified with a "but".
It's not just the what. It's the how.
Apathy doesn't keep responding to every post.
QuoteThere's a reason for the word "posse", in this context. How else would you describe it? Just a couple of mates strolling by to offer a few opinions? You do know what posses do, right?
If I was part of a posse, then what are you, Les, Pyraxis, and Hyke?
There was no posse on FB. There was no lynching.QuoteThere's a reason for the word "posse", in this context. How else would you describe it? Just a couple of mates strolling by to offer a few opinions? You do know what posses do, right?
If I was part of a posse, then what are you, Les, Pyraxis, and Hyke?
I feel sorry for you if you really don't see a difference.
QuoteWhat butthurt? For what reason?That's obvious. You think Les has left the site. He has blamed me, so you blame me.
QuoteMoral outrage? Really? Well, if pointing out that what you did was over the top is moral outrage, I can live with that. Beats the alternative.You had adequately pointed out your opinion 20 pages ago, I think we all get the point.
QuoteI sort of like your lynch mob insinuation. Tells me that you somehow need to reverse the tables; instead of you and the posse it's now me and the lynch mob. Amusing but painfully far off the mark.Not really. You aren't a lynch mob, just as I wasn't part of a lynch mob on FB. If you read the drama on FB, you'll see that it was no lynching. In fact, I was perfectly civil to her.
QuoteJust to take one example, are you aware of the fact that Pyraxis and I will usually disagree on mostly everything? That she has been and still is one of my more vocal critics?Yes, but at the moment her hatred for me is clearly greater than her dislike of you. TBH she doesn't seem to have any idea what really went on anyway.
Apathy doesn't keep responding to every post.
Apathy isn't contained in purely one thread.
Apathy doesn't keep responding to every post.
Apathy isn't contained in purely one thread.
Must be a very active form of apathy.
Apathy doesn't keep responding to every post.
Apathy isn't contained in purely one thread.
Must be a very active form of apathy.
It is if you misconstrue it that way.
Do you even believe this yourself? Honestly?
Apathy doesn't keep responding to every post.
Apathy isn't contained in purely one thread.
Must be a very active form of apathy.
It is if you misconstrue it that way.
Maybe I just don't buy it.
TCO was hardly a worthy opponent and causing him another meltdown isn't enough stuff for Flaming 101.
What is more of a concern is this little piece
Pandora made the decision to make poisonous remarks about Binty's relationships and paint Butterflies as some extremely evil person.
Considering that I not only said that TCO made these remarks (from Pandora's account) about Bint, I also PM'ed you the actual quote he wrote from an email to me that said this explicitly, why say this?
You KNOW it is blatantly untrue but you put it out there anyway?
THAT I don't get.
QuoteDo you even believe this yourself? Honestly?
Yes. I think your butthurt is immense right now. I can only assume it's because you think Les has left.
You are trying to attack my behaviour, by behaving worse than I have ever done. All whilst preaching from your soapbox that two wrongs don't make a right.
You're just a nasty little hypocrite.
TCO was hardly a worthy opponent and causing him another meltdown isn't enough stuff for Flaming 101.
Whether or not TCO was a "worthy opponent" in niether here nor there.
TCO was an antagonistic asshole who went asking for all this shit.
If this incident didn't "cause a meltdown" then something else would've.
As Rosanna Rosanna Danna used to say "If it isn't one thing, it's another. It's always something."
What is more of a concern is this little piece
Pandora made the decision to make poisonous remarks about Binty's relationships and paint Butterflies as some extremely evil person.
Considering that I not only said that TCO made these remarks (from Pandora's account) about Bint, I also PM'ed you the actual quote he wrote from an email to me that said this explicitly, why say this?
You KNOW it is blatantly untrue but you put it out there anyway?
THAT I don't get.
I've made this point before and I'll make it again.
Because Pandora allowed TCO to use her account, then she accepts full responsibility for what was posted.
It was a colossal mistake on her behalf to allow someone else to post in her name.
QuoteDo you even believe this yourself? Honestly?
Yes. I think your butthurt is immense right now. I can only assume it's because you think Les has left.
You are trying to attack my behaviour, by behaving worse than I have ever done. All whilst preaching from your soapbox that two wrongs don't make a right.
You're just a nasty little hypocrite.
So, how many innocent people have I attacked as part of this?
You know what I think? I think you are the butthurt one here. You were called out on your behaviour and your usual shifting doesn't work. You've been exposed and that just gotta hurt.
TCO was hardly a worthy opponent and causing him another meltdown isn't enough stuff for Flaming 101.
Whether or not TCO was a "worthy opponent" in niether here nor there.
TCO was an antagonistic asshole who went asking for all this shit.
If this incident didn't "cause a meltdown" then something else would've.
As Rosanna Rosanna Danna used to say "If it isn't one thing, it's another. It's always something."
TCO did ask for it, yes. But riling him up is easier than stealing candy from a 5-yo and hardly warrants the attention.
TCO was hardly a worthy opponent and causing him another meltdown isn't enough stuff for Flaming 101.
Whether or not TCO was a "worthy opponent" in niether here nor there.
TCO was an antagonistic asshole who went asking for all this shit.
If this incident didn't "cause a meltdown" then something else would've.
As Rosanna Rosanna Danna used to say "If it isn't one thing, it's another. It's always something."
TCO did ask for it, yes. But riling him up is easier than stealing candy from a 5-yo and hardly warrants the attention.
As is winding up Pentagram and Razor yet I've not seen you speak against riling either of them up.
TCO was hardly a worthy opponent and causing him another meltdown isn't enough stuff for Flaming 101.
Whether or not TCO was a "worthy opponent" in niether here nor there.
TCO was an antagonistic asshole who went asking for all this shit.
If this incident didn't "cause a meltdown" then something else would've.
As Rosanna Rosanna Danna used to say "If it isn't one thing, it's another. It's always something."
TCO did ask for it, yes. But riling him up is easier than stealing candy from a 5-yo and hardly warrants the attention.
As is winding up Pentagram and Razor yet I've not seen you speak against riling either of them up.
QFT.
It only counts if the person in question is at least over 35 ::)
TCO was hardly a worthy opponent and causing him another meltdown isn't enough stuff for Flaming 101.
Whether or not TCO was a "worthy opponent" in niether here nor there.
TCO was an antagonistic asshole who went asking for all this shit.
If this incident didn't "cause a meltdown" then something else would've.
As Rosanna Rosanna Danna used to say "If it isn't one thing, it's another. It's always something."
TCO did ask for it, yes. But riling him up is easier than stealing candy from a 5-yo and hardly warrants the attention.
What is more of a concern is this little piece
Pandora made the decision to make poisonous remarks about Binty's relationships and paint Butterflies as some extremely evil person.
Considering that I not only said that TCO made these remarks (from Pandora's account) about Bint, I also PM'ed you the actual quote he wrote from an email to me that said this explicitly, why say this?
You KNOW it is blatantly untrue but you put it out there anyway?
THAT I don't get.
I've made this point before and I'll make it again.
Because Pandora allowed TCO to use her account, then she accepts full responsibility for what was posted.
It was a colossal mistake on her behalf to allow someone else to post in her name.
And the 5-yo is just asking for that candy to be stolen.
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How many pages this will be before people stop posting in it ::)
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How many pages this will be before people stop posting in it ::)
I would also like to see this stop. All it takes however, is one obsessed poster to keep it dragging on
Wait! Is this the "Last person to post wins" game?? :zoinks:yes....tag, you`re it
I would also like to see this stop. All it takes however, is one obsessed poster to keep it dragging on
I would also like to see this stop. All it takes however, is one obsessed poster to keep it dragging on
:poke: :poke: :poke: :poke: :poke: :poke: :poke: :poke:
Have never suggested I'm without blame. I don't think I'm without blame at all.
Nobody who went on FB done anything wrong. They engaged in an argument with someone who attacked them.
At least when I choose to fight someone, I try to do it myself.
TBH PPK, I can use all the help I can get here.
Odeon has admitted "I think it's necessary for her to find out about how things are on the receiving end for a change". So yes. I'm very appreciative of anyone who offers support here.
Well Odeon. If the only reason you're keeping this drama going is to try and show the members that Im bad, then Im going to try and do the sensible thing and try and keep out of it.
I am soooooooo bad >:D
There was no posse on FB. There was no lynching.
I was civil to her throughout, and only really defended myself from the accusations she made.
I'm the first to admit that I'm not a well behaved person, either here, or in RL.
I'm guilty of many things, but pretending I'm an angel isn't one of them.
I'm not sure if you are suggesting that I have been manipulative, but if you are you would be wrong. I did not want to get into any argument with Les, and I have certainly never been knowingly manipulative in our argument.
Yes. You should have seen some of the excuses I made up to convince people I didn't have a crush on them :hug:
You aren't a lynch mob, just as I wasn't part of a lynch mob on FB. If you read the drama on FB, you'll see that it was no lynching. In fact, I was perfectly civil to her.
If you mean the time I called her "rancid," then no. It was not a direct insult. It was aimed at Steve, and AFAIK it was Les who informed her of it.
If you mean the time she was called Rancidora, then yes, it was an insult, but one I have every right to make.
I think you really like me, but are just too shy to say, so you bitch at me :eyelash:
Yes, but at the moment her hatred for me is clearly greater than her dislike of you.
Let's underline the hypocrisy.Have never suggested I'm without blame. I don't think I'm without blame at all.Nobody who went on FB done anything wrong. They engaged in an argument with someone who attacked them.At least when I choose to fight someone, I try to do it myself.TBH PPK, I can use all the help I can get here.
Odeon has admitted "I think it's necessary for her to find out about how things are on the receiving end for a change". So yes. I'm very appreciative of anyone who offers support here.Well Odeon. If the only reason you're keeping this drama going is to try and show the members that Im bad, then Im going to try and do the sensible thing and try and keep out of it.I am soooooooo bad >:DThere was no posse on FB. There was no lynching.
I was civil to her throughout, and only really defended myself from the accusations she made.I'm the first to admit that I'm not a well behaved person, either here, or in RL.
I'm guilty of many things, but pretending I'm an angel isn't one of them.I'm not sure if you are suggesting that I have been manipulative, but if you are you would be wrong. I did not want to get into any argument with Les, and I have certainly never been knowingly manipulative in our argument.Yes. You should have seen some of the excuses I made up to convince people I didn't have a crush on them :hug:You aren't a lynch mob, just as I wasn't part of a lynch mob on FB. If you read the drama on FB, you'll see that it was no lynching. In fact, I was perfectly civil to her.If you mean the time I called her "rancid," then no. It was not a direct insult. It was aimed at Steve, and AFAIK it was Les who informed her of it.
If you mean the time she was called Rancidora, then yes, it was an insult, but one I have every right to make.
And, just for fun:I think you really like me, but are just too shy to say, so you bitch at me :eyelash:Yes, but at the moment her hatred for me is clearly greater than her dislike of you.
OR
we could turn it into a boobs, cats and cheezburgers thread
coz everyone likes those except cunts and vegetarians
OR
we could turn it into a boobs, cats and cheezburgers thread
coz everyone likes those except cunts and vegetarians
Hmmmm.....
the term "Quote Mining" comes to mind. ::)
I've been watching this one closely while dealing with my own crap and waiting for my time to run out. This thread to me seems to have run astray. I sympathize with butterflies here, but will admit I have a bias for youth, and might not feel the same way if it were someone more mature. I also relate to Odeon. Sometimes when the children of I2 are naughty, I've had a compulsion to lecture.I missed this. Gonna miss Jack, and her observational skills. :thumbdn:
My perspective: Sir Les distancing himself from this place may not really be about the place, but maybe his own behavior in the past toward others, or even his own sense of involvement in this particular happening. I really don't know. However, Sir Les' main point to be made was that someone was hurt. I found it interesting, early in the thread, the question was raised about if it was worth it. Of course it was intended as a question about if it was was worth it to defend the site. I think that's a very important question, was it worth it, and one people can only as of their self.
I'm not trying to stop Odeon posting his opinion on Butterflies , if I wanted to do things like that why would I have joined I^2 in the first place?You do appear to be protective of her and bothered that odeon would argue with her.
Not uncomfortable , I just really do not see why Odeon desperately needs to continue this argument which is really never going to be resolved?Why do you seem to desperately want odeon to not continue this train of thought?
Butterflies is a friend , and I disagree about what is being said about her if you don't like me saying so , don't read my posts. :thumbup:I would rather read it and call you for blatantly running interference by posting WWTCOD instead of responding to what you believe odeon is wrong about. WWTCOD is just distraction, it has nothing to do with the matter at hand. As I stated before acrimonious arguments @ I2 predated TCO's membership here, there is no valid reason arguments should stop happening here because TCO is no longer a member.
Did either of us say she needs to be protected by Odeon?Your posts and her reply that she feels like she needs all the help she can get lead me to the conclusion that that is exactly what you are doing. Needing protection from big bad odeon is a ludicrous concept IMO.
Nope, first off stop reading things that aren't there , second why should we be censured by you because we disagree with what Odeon says about Butterflies?I am inferring what appears to me to be very clearly there. I asked bodie if she desired a censure for odeon, me disagreeing with you is not censure. This is http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censure (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censure)
I don't mean to be rude, but is Pyraxis mentally ill? :tinfoil:That ^^^ is a very weak attempt at misdirection.
She seems a bit obsessed, which is sweet, but I'm not sure I want to be her girlfriend if she's as much of a bunny boiler as she seems to be here.
@PPK. This has turned into a bit of a free for all. Nobody is telling Pyraxis that she can't come into this conversation to help Odeon. Why try and just chase away the people who are sticking up for me?Calling squid on red herring bullshit (WWTCOD) is clearly not chasing him off as he appears to still be posting here. Since his main function here appears to be protecting you from big bad odeon's questions rather than addressing any of I called him on it. I have to go get Sprint phone service, back later.
:o My psychiatrist's name is Chris Carter.The truth is out there :zoinks:
"wait... worry... who cares?"
(Another Chris Carter tagline)
I don't mean to be rude, but is Pyraxis mentally ill? :tinfoil:Lol, Pyraxis is not mentally ill. She just had the time to point out various things she noticed. Bunny boiler? I don't know what that is.
She seems a bit obsessed, which is sweet, but I'm not sure I want to be her girlfriend if she's as much of a bunny boiler as she seems to be here.
I don't mean to be rude, but is Pyraxis mentally ill? :tinfoil:Lol, Pyraxis is not mentally ill. She just had the time to point out various things she noticed. Bunny boiler? I don't know what that is.
She seems a bit obsessed, which is sweet, but I'm not sure I want to be her girlfriend if she's as much of a bunny boiler as she seems to be here.
:o My psychiatrist's name is Chris Carter.The truth is out there :zoinks:
"wait... worry... who cares?"
(Another Chris Carter tagline)
Now I do. :P Am not often aware of who creates shows I watch, although I haven't seen any of Millennium.You do know that this particular Chris Carter created X-Files and later Millenium?:o My psychiatrist's name is Chris Carter.The truth is out there :zoinks:"wait... worry... who cares?"
(Another Chris Carter tagline)
BTW, I'm going to stop posting in this thread. While I doubt I'll agree with Butterflies any time soon, I also doubt she will agree with me, and so a truce is probably wise. The time spent posting here is more useful elsewhere, anyway. For example, I can't help noticing that Binty hasn't updated the boobs thread lately.
Yes i agree, otherwise why would she not have simply just changed her password? If someone posted something i did not endorse on one of my accounts i would do that and make a statement explaining what had occurred. Can only think of two reasons why i wouldn't 1) i was in full agreement of the insult or 2) i was forced/ manipulated. Also, there is no real proof he did it anyway. An email from TCO saying that he did means fuck all when you look at his other lies and bullshit. It is not a fact it actually was him. I would be more inclined to believe an email from Pandora than TCO.BTW, I'm going to stop posting in this thread. While I doubt I'll agree with Butterflies any time soon, I also doubt she will agree with me, and so a truce is probably wise. The time spent posting here is more useful elsewhere, anyway. For example, I can't help noticing that Binty hasn't updated the boobs thread lately.
:agreed:
For what it's worth, I see both your point and hers.
I don't think that she went to FB with the intention of hurting Pandora as her initial posts there were quite reasonable, but once TCO posted the insults to Bodaccea and Binty from Pandora's account and she believed that Pandora did it, I think all bets were off.
I agree with Scrapheap that Pandora shouldn't let TCO have access to her passwords, but he strikes me as a controlling sort of person so I'm not surprised that he is that way IRL as well.
I don't think that she went to FB with the intention of hurting Pandora as her initial posts there were quite reasonable, but once TCO posted the insults to Bodaccea and Binty from Pandora's account and she believed that Pandora did it, I think all bets were off.
And boobs
(http://www.iseekgirls.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/pure_dee_big_tits.jpg)
Huh, I think if people want to say something here, then let them. If you think it is old, then don't look at the thread. This reminds me of what Rage did on some threads and is an attempt at controlling what other people post imo.
Huh, I think if people want to say something here, then let them. If you think it is old, then don't look at the thread. This reminds me of what Rage did on some threads and is an attempt at controlling what other people post imo.
the place is better without them. losers
Hi Al :zoinks:
You have inspired me to post something as well. It won't be nearly so well put, and will probably fail at making sense to anyone, but I am posting it for myself, not for anyone else.
Al is the one who brought me here. Not that he asked me to come join, but I got to know him a little while in the process of banning him from WP. What little I knew of him intrigued me so I followed him over here. This is important because it describes what I was looking for when I came here. I was looking for genuine connections with people whom I respected, and I was hoping they would also have some of the same problems I have. I wanted this badly enough when I joined that I convinced myself for some time that I had actually found this. When Al left I stepped back and took a look at everything and realized my errors.
I am a socially retarded autistic, and a complete noob to forums. I joined my first online forum, marijuana.com, in 1999 and ended up moderator and then besides, my ass hurts within a couple of months. I burned out quickly and quit within a year. During this time I was a kid and I learned little from the experience. I joined my second online forum last October, and that was WP. I told myself before I joined that I would not accept a moderator position if one was offered because I didn't want the responsibility or extra work, nor did I want to lose what little support I was actually getting from the place. I had only learned about my AS the month before and am still dealing with this new information today. I took the damn position and am glad I did as I learned about what the place really was about much quicker than I would have otherwise, but as soon as I took the position I lost everything that I had joined to get. I lost personal connections. I then found this place and thought maybe I could find that here. I even convinced myself that I had.
This place isn't about personal connections. It isn't about making friends. I thought I had done so several times, and there are still a few people I consider myself "friendly" with, but I recently figured out that this place is really about conflict and drama. People are friendly with each other until they find a weakness, a mistake, or an opening and then it is about tearing each other apart. I participated in this as much as anyone else and might even be responsible for the increase lately. I enjoy verbal sparring. I love taking down twits like Benji and Praetor. I want to have my cake and eat it too. What I want doesn't exist and I am just embarrassing myself here. I am indulging parts of myself that I keep under control for a reason. I am indulging my opposite nature and then wondering why I am not getting what I really want in the process.
I have a 50 hour a week job, a wife, a special needs toddler, an infant daughter due in 6 weeks, an online MBA program that is completely unfulfilling, and a pending law school application. My life is full. My AS doesn't cause me to fail at life, so I will simply learn how to incorporate this without an online community to assist, as assistance is not what this place is about. This place is a thinly veiled competition for who can be Brave or Hard or Insensitive. Guess what? I am sensitive. I am very sensitive. I have this thing called AS and it makes me much more sensitive than most. This sensitivity makes me a great husband and a better-than-average father. This sensitivity is something that I should be embracing. This place is about "enabling the spazzes" and "teaching them to harden up". I think I disagree with the philosophy at the very core of the place. I don't want an emo cry-fest where everyone talks about their problems, but I do want a place where I can be myself, and open myself up a little bit without fear of retaliation or having it used against me by the very people who I trusted enough to crack open the shell. This place is not that place. This place is dysfunctional at the core. It's a "community" that eschews the idea of community. I don't think the place I am looking for exists, and I am too busy to try and find it. So instead I will lurk. I am emotionally invested in many of you and want to see how things turn out. I am Facebooked to some of you and will keep up that way. I have some of you on the Drivel, though that place is a dead snore-fest at the moment.
Al, I hope we can keep in touch in some way or another.
Hi Al :zoinks:
You have inspired me to post something as well. It won't be nearly so well put, and will probably fail at making sense to anyone, but I am posting it for myself, not for anyone else.
Al is the one who brought me here. Not that he asked me to come join, but I got to know him a little while in the process of banning him from WP. What little I knew of him intrigued me so I followed him over here. This is important because it describes what I was looking for when I came here. I was looking for genuine connections with people whom I respected, and I was hoping they would also have some of the same problems I have. I wanted this badly enough when I joined that I convinced myself for some time that I had actually found this. When Al left I stepped back and took a look at everything and realized my errors.
I am a socially retarded autistic, and a complete noob to forums. I joined my first online forum, marijuana.com, in 1999 and ended up moderator and then besides, my ass hurts within a couple of months. I burned out quickly and quit within a year. During this time I was a kid and I learned little from the experience. I joined my second online forum last October, and that was WP. I told myself before I joined that I would not accept a moderator position if one was offered because I didn't want the responsibility or extra work, nor did I want to lose what little support I was actually getting from the place. I had only learned about my AS the month before and am still dealing with this new information today. I took the damn position and am glad I did as I learned about what the place really was about much quicker than I would have otherwise, but as soon as I took the position I lost everything that I had joined to get. I lost personal connections. I then found this place and thought maybe I could find that here. I even convinced myself that I had.
This place isn't about personal connections. It isn't about making friends. I thought I had done so several times, and there are still a few people I consider myself "friendly" with, but I recently figured out that this place is really about conflict and drama. People are friendly with each other until they find a weakness, a mistake, or an opening and then it is about tearing each other apart. I participated in this as much as anyone else and might even be responsible for the increase lately. I enjoy verbal sparring. I love taking down twits like Benji and Praetor. I want to have my cake and eat it too. What I want doesn't exist and I am just embarrassing myself here. I am indulging parts of myself that I keep under control for a reason. I am indulging my opposite nature and then wondering why I am not getting what I really want in the process.
I have a 50 hour a week job, a wife, a special needs toddler, an infant daughter due in 6 weeks, an online MBA program that is completely unfulfilling, and a pending law school application. My life is full. My AS doesn't cause me to fail at life, so I will simply learn how to incorporate this without an online community to assist, as assistance is not what this place is about. This place is a thinly veiled competition for who can be Brave or Hard or Insensitive. Guess what? I am sensitive. I am very sensitive. I have this thing called AS and it makes me much more sensitive than most. This sensitivity makes me a great husband and a better-than-average father. This sensitivity is something that I should be embracing. This place is about "enabling the spazzes" and "teaching them to harden up". I think I disagree with the philosophy at the very core of the place. I don't want an emo cry-fest where everyone talks about their problems, but I do want a place where I can be myself, and open myself up a little bit without fear of retaliation or having it used against me by the very people who I trusted enough to crack open the shell. This place is not that place. This place is dysfunctional at the core. It's a "community" that eschews the idea of community. I don't think the place I am looking for exists, and I am too busy to try and find it. So instead I will lurk. I am emotionally invested in many of you and want to see how things turn out. I am Facebooked to some of you and will keep up that way. I have some of you on the Drivel, though that place is a dead snore-fest at the moment.
Al, I hope we can keep in touch in some way or another.
Quoted for posterity.
Rather than looking for community, I now use the place for entertainment. God knows certain folks provide plenty of it.
I'm pretty sure that every member who pays attention to the posts of other people remember when I left around the time my daughter was born. They also know that I came back with completely different expectations of what to achieve here, and what purpose this place serves. Rather than looking for community, I now use the place for entertainment. God knows certain folks provide plenty of it.
Hi Al :zoinks:
You have inspired me to post something as well. It won't be nearly so well put, and will probably fail at making sense to anyone, but I am posting it for myself, not for anyone else.
Al is the one who brought me here. Not that he asked me to come join, but I got to know him a little while in the process of banning him from WP. What little I knew of him intrigued me so I followed him over here. This is important because it describes what I was looking for when I came here. I was looking for genuine connections with people whom I respected, and I was hoping they would also have some of the same problems I have. I wanted this badly enough when I joined that I convinced myself for some time that I had actually found this. When Al left I stepped back and took a look at everything and realized my errors.
I am a socially retarded autistic, and a complete noob to forums. I joined my first online forum, marijuana.com, in 1999 and ended up moderator and then besides, my ass hurts within a couple of months. I burned out quickly and quit within a year. During this time I was a kid and I learned little from the experience. I joined my second online forum last October, and that was WP. I told myself before I joined that I would not accept a moderator position if one was offered because I didn't want the responsibility or extra work, nor did I want to lose what little support I was actually getting from the place. I had only learned about my AS the month before and am still dealing with this new information today. I took the damn position and am glad I did as I learned about what the place really was about much quicker than I would have otherwise, but as soon as I took the position I lost everything that I had joined to get. I lost personal connections. I then found this place and thought maybe I could find that here. I even convinced myself that I had.
This place isn't about personal connections. It isn't about making friends. I thought I had done so several times, and there are still a few people I consider myself "friendly" with, but I recently figured out that this place is really about conflict and drama. People are friendly with each other until they find a weakness, a mistake, or an opening and then it is about tearing each other apart. I participated in this as much as anyone else and might even be responsible for the increase lately. I enjoy verbal sparring. I love taking down twits like Benji and Praetor. I want to have my cake and eat it too. What I want doesn't exist and I am just embarrassing myself here. I am indulging parts of myself that I keep under control for a reason. I am indulging my opposite nature and then wondering why I am not getting what I really want in the process.
I have a 50 hour a week job, a wife, a special needs toddler, an infant daughter due in 6 weeks, an online MBA program that is completely unfulfilling, and a pending law school application. My life is full. My AS doesn't cause me to fail at life, so I will simply learn how to incorporate this without an online community to assist, as assistance is not what this place is about. This place is a thinly veiled competition for who can be Brave or Hard or Insensitive. Guess what? I am sensitive. I am very sensitive. I have this thing called AS and it makes me much more sensitive than most. This sensitivity makes me a great husband and a better-than-average father. This sensitivity is something that I should be embracing. This place is about "enabling the spazzes" and "teaching them to harden up". I think I disagree with the philosophy at the very core of the place. I don't want an emo cry-fest where everyone talks about their problems, but I do want a place where I can be myself, and open myself up a little bit without fear of retaliation or having it used against me by the very people who I trusted enough to crack open the shell. This place is not that place. This place is dysfunctional at the core. It's a "community" that eschews the idea of community. I don't think the place I am looking for exists, and I am too busy to try and find it. So instead I will lurk. I am emotionally invested in many of you and want to see how things turn out. I am Facebooked to some of you and will keep up that way. I have some of you on the Drivel, though that place is a dead snore-fest at the moment.
Al, I hope we can keep in touch in some way or another.
Quoted for posterity.
I'm pretty sure that every member who pays attention to the posts of other people remember when I left around the time my daughter was born. They also know that I came back with completely different expectations of what to achieve here, and what purpose this place serves. Rather than looking for community, I now use the place for entertainment. God knows certain folks provide plenty of it.
I'm pretty sure that every member who pays attention to the posts of other people remember when I left around the time my daughter was born. They also know that I came back with completely different expectations of what to achieve here, and what purpose this place serves. Rather than looking for community, I now use the place for entertainment. God knows certain folks provide plenty of it.
It was still a really good post.
Hi Al :zoinks:
You have inspired me to post something as well. It won't be nearly so well put, and will probably fail at making sense to anyone, but I am posting it for myself, not for anyone else.
Al is the one who brought me here. Not that he asked me to come join, but I got to know him a little while in the process of banning him from WP. What little I knew of him intrigued me so I followed him over here. This is important because it describes what I was looking for when I came here. I was looking for genuine connections with people whom I respected, and I was hoping they would also have some of the same problems I have. I wanted this badly enough when I joined that I convinced myself for some time that I had actually found this. When Al left I stepped back and took a look at everything and realized my errors.
I am a socially retarded autistic, and a complete noob to forums. I joined my first online forum, marijuana.com, in 1999 and ended up moderator and then besides, my ass hurts within a couple of months. I burned out quickly and quit within a year. During this time I was a kid and I learned little from the experience. I joined my second online forum last October, and that was WP. I told myself before I joined that I would not accept a moderator position if one was offered because I didn't want the responsibility or extra work, nor did I want to lose what little support I was actually getting from the place. I had only learned about my AS the month before and am still dealing with this new information today. I took the damn position and am glad I did as I learned about what the place really was about much quicker than I would have otherwise, but as soon as I took the position I lost everything that I had joined to get. I lost personal connections. I then found this place and thought maybe I could find that here. I even convinced myself that I had.
This place isn't about personal connections. It isn't about making friends. I thought I had done so several times, and there are still a few people I consider myself "friendly" with, but I recently figured out that this place is really about conflict and drama. People are friendly with each other until they find a weakness, a mistake, or an opening and then it is about tearing each other apart. I participated in this as much as anyone else and might even be responsible for the increase lately. I enjoy verbal sparring. I love taking down twits like Benji and Praetor. I want to have my cake and eat it too. What I want doesn't exist and I am just embarrassing myself here. I am indulging parts of myself that I keep under control for a reason. I am indulging my opposite nature and then wondering why I am not getting what I really want in the process.
I have a 50 hour a week job, a wife, a special needs toddler, an infant daughter due in 6 weeks, an online MBA program that is completely unfulfilling, and a pending law school application. My life is full. My AS doesn't cause me to fail at life, so I will simply learn how to incorporate this without an online community to assist, as assistance is not what this place is about. This place is a thinly veiled competition for who can be Brave or Hard or Insensitive. Guess what? I am sensitive. I am very sensitive. I have this thing called AS and it makes me much more sensitive than most. This sensitivity makes me a great husband and a better-than-average father. This sensitivity is something that I should be embracing. This place is about "enabling the spazzes" and "teaching them to harden up". I think I disagree with the philosophy at the very core of the place. I don't want an emo cry-fest where everyone talks about their problems, but I do want a place where I can be myself, and open myself up a little bit without fear of retaliation or having it used against me by the very people who I trusted enough to crack open the shell. This place is not that place. This place is dysfunctional at the core. It's a "community" that eschews the idea of community. I don't think the place I am looking for exists, and I am too busy to try and find it. So instead I will lurk. I am emotionally invested in many of you and want to see how things turn out. I am Facebooked to some of you and will keep up that way. I have some of you on the Drivel, though that place is a dead snore-fest at the moment.
Al, I hope we can keep in touch in some way or another.
Quoted for posterity.
I'm pretty sure that every member who pays attention to the posts of other people remember when I left around the time my daughter was born. They also know that I came back with completely different expectations of what to achieve here, and what purpose this place serves. Rather than looking for community, I now use the place for entertainment. God knows certain folks provide plenty of it.
Don't place a different standard on others that you place on them, big guy. "quoted for posterity" Is something from your own vocabulary. Yeah.
Hi Al :zoinks:
You have inspired me to post something as well. It won't be nearly so well put, and will probably fail at making sense to anyone, but I am posting it for myself, not for anyone else.
Al is the one who brought me here. Not that he asked me to come join, but I got to know him a little while in the process of banning him from WP. What little I knew of him intrigued me so I followed him over here. This is important because it describes what I was looking for when I came here. I was looking for genuine connections with people whom I respected, and I was hoping they would also have some of the same problems I have. I wanted this badly enough when I joined that I convinced myself for some time that I had actually found this. When Al left I stepped back and took a look at everything and realized my errors.
I am a socially retarded autistic, and a complete noob to forums. I joined my first online forum, marijuana.com, in 1999 and ended up moderator and then besides, my ass hurts within a couple of months. I burned out quickly and quit within a year. During this time I was a kid and I learned little from the experience. I joined my second online forum last October, and that was WP. I told myself before I joined that I would not accept a moderator position if one was offered because I didn't want the responsibility or extra work, nor did I want to lose what little support I was actually getting from the place. I had only learned about my AS the month before and am still dealing with this new information today. I took the damn position and am glad I did as I learned about what the place really was about much quicker than I would have otherwise, but as soon as I took the position I lost everything that I had joined to get. I lost personal connections. I then found this place and thought maybe I could find that here. I even convinced myself that I had.
This place isn't about personal connections. It isn't about making friends. I thought I had done so several times, and there are still a few people I consider myself "friendly" with, but I recently figured out that this place is really about conflict and drama. People are friendly with each other until they find a weakness, a mistake, or an opening and then it is about tearing each other apart. I participated in this as much as anyone else and might even be responsible for the increase lately. I enjoy verbal sparring. I love taking down twits like Benji and Praetor. I want to have my cake and eat it too. What I want doesn't exist and I am just embarrassing myself here. I am indulging parts of myself that I keep under control for a reason. I am indulging my opposite nature and then wondering why I am not getting what I really want in the process.
I have a 50 hour a week job, a wife, a special needs toddler, an infant daughter due in 6 weeks, an online MBA program that is completely unfulfilling, and a pending law school application. My life is full. My AS doesn't cause me to fail at life, so I will simply learn how to incorporate this without an online community to assist, as assistance is not what this place is about. This place is a thinly veiled competition for who can be Brave or Hard or Insensitive. Guess what? I am sensitive. I am very sensitive. I have this thing called AS and it makes me much more sensitive than most. This sensitivity makes me a great husband and a better-than-average father. This sensitivity is something that I should be embracing. This place is about "enabling the spazzes" and "teaching them to harden up". I think I disagree with the philosophy at the very core of the place. I don't want an emo cry-fest where everyone talks about their problems, but I do want a place where I can be myself, and open myself up a little bit without fear of retaliation or having it used against me by the very people who I trusted enough to crack open the shell. This place is not that place. This place is dysfunctional at the core. It's a "community" that eschews the idea of community. I don't think the place I am looking for exists, and I am too busy to try and find it. So instead I will lurk. I am emotionally invested in many of you and want to see how things turn out. I am Facebooked to some of you and will keep up that way. I have some of you on the Drivel, though that place is a dead snore-fest at the moment.
Al, I hope we can keep in touch in some way or another.
Quoted for posterity.
I'm pretty sure that every member who pays attention to the posts of other people remember when I left around the time my daughter was born. They also know that I came back with completely different expectations of what to achieve here, and what purpose this place serves. Rather than looking for community, I now use the place for entertainment. God knows certain folks provide plenty of it.
Don't place a different standard on others that you place on them, big guy. "quoted for posterity" Is something from your own vocabulary. Yeah.
Huh? :autism:
It was a good post but one I partly disagree with. I still think the concept of this place is sound. I still think that here, it is possible to discuss things honestly. I still think I2 does enable the spazzes. Yes, there are people who will watch for an opening, any opening, and then go for the kill, but I don't find that to be the norm.
Unlike the other places, I2 is what you make it to be.
It was a good post but one I partly disagree with. I still think the concept of this place is sound. I still think that here, it is possible to discuss things honestly. I still think I2 does enable the spazzes. Yes, there are people who will watch for an opening, any opening, and then go for the kill, but I don't find that to be the norm.
Unlike the other places, I2 is what you make it to be.
Yeah, when I first heard about it and also when I first got here, I thought this place was mainly to fight and troll others and test your sensitivity and all that. And while there is that stuff here in this forum, I've come to realize this is more a community for a select group of somewhat like-minded Aspies unhindered by rules that a common forum would have.
Very true. It is a big part of this place. A necessary and good part of this place . There is other good stuff I like about this place too.
They are teh awesome.
But I've made some very good friends here too. That's what I think is the best thing about I2.
There has to be something seriously wrong with Pandora if she's still with TCO. :nerdy:
Just read through this whole thing. I don't see why it should be reopened.