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For the lazy:
Woman ‘tricked into sex’ by penis cream treatment
A Syrian-born airline pilot allegedly tricked a schoolteacher from Haverfordwest into having sex with him by pretending he had to administer ointment on the end of his penis, a jury heard yesterday (Tuesday).
Fadi Sbano, 38, even pretended to know a gynaecologist who advised him on how often to have intercourse with her and whether to thrust "slowly or quickly". And, on the "doctor's advice", he kept a clock on the bedside table to time the sessions.
The teacher put up with the treatment for nine months before telling her doctor.
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Huw Rees, prosecuting, told Swansea crown court: "The allegations here are of rape by deception."
Mr Rees said the pair met while Sbano was based at Gatwick and the teacher was working nearby.
In November, 2000, she discovered a rash of white spots and feared that typhoid, which she contracted on holiday some years before, had returned.
Sbano claimed he was in talks with a gynaecologist who was anxious for a certain cream to be applied, the prosecutor said.
"He (Sbano) suggested he would apply the cream to his penis and apply it inside her.
Mr Rees said the woman found the sessions "Clinical, not at all erotic". She consented only because she believed it was a proper treatment.
"When the insertions took place, and depending on the instructions of his friend, he would thrust slowly or quickly for anything from one to ten minutes,"
Her doctor told her to find out the identity of Sbano's gynaecologist friend but he "became evasive and never gave his name" beyond the word "Ibby".
"It began to dawn on her that he had devised this treatment in order to have sex with her on his terms."
Mr Rees said "Ibby" was traced but said he knew nothing about the treatment.
Sbano was arrested at Heathrow while attending a pilots' training facility.
He claimed the woman had invented the entire story about the "treatment".
Sbano, from Harrow, London, denies nine charges of rape and 11 or obtaining money by deception.
The trial continues.
And this woman's a teacher? Says it all really. >:D
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No wonder some kids are so stupid.
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she should be prosecuted for being stupid and gullible moreso than he for being quite clever.
is this really an act of rape?
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Sounds like a Swedish court to me. Why isn't there a punishment for utter stupidity? A really hard one?
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Sounds like a Swedish court to me. Why isn't there a punishment for utter stupidity? A really hard one?
that's what he gave her-a really hard one, for nine months.
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No wonder some kids are so stupid.
if everyone was smart the world would be a better place. or not
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How the hell can they call that rape by deception? What kind of idiot would believe that any cream had to be applied internally using someone's cock?? What kind of idiot would take treatment advice from a 'friend' for that matter??
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How the hell can they call that rape by deception? What kind of idiot would believe that any cream had to be applied internally using someone's cock?? What kind of idiot would take treatment advice from a 'friend' for that matter??
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This kind of story could very well happen in Sweden, while real rapists, of course are freed due to lack of "technical evidence" and get compensation for being "innocently accused", usually about £10000-20000. Swedish "justice"= :puke:
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How the hell can they call that rape by deception? What kind of idiot would believe that any cream had to be applied internally using someone's cock?? What kind of idiot would take treatment advice from a 'friend' for that matter??
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Either she's mentally deficient or she's a liar, and a very poor one. Either way, she'll come away from this humiliated.
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How the hell can they call that rape by deception? What kind of idiot would believe that any cream had to be applied internally using someone's cock?? What kind of idiot would take treatment advice from a 'friend' for that matter??
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Either she's mentally deficient or she's a liar, and a very poor one. Either way, she'll come away from this humiliated.
i am not so certain.
you realize that you can be charged, and convicted of rape in california if you have sex with a girl who is drunk....
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How the hell can they call that rape by deception? What kind of idiot would believe that any cream had to be applied internally using someone's cock?? What kind of idiot would take treatment advice from a 'friend' for that matter??
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Either she's mentally deficient or she's a liar, and a very poor one. Either way, she'll come away from this humiliated.
To be honest I would assume she's telling the truth simply because it must be so humiliating admitting that you were taken in by something as stupid as that and for so long. But whether its actually rape or not I don't know (I think possibly not).
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How the hell can they call that rape by deception? What kind of idiot would believe that any cream had to be applied internally using someone's cock?? What kind of idiot would take treatment advice from a 'friend' for that matter??
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Either she's mentally deficient or she's a liar, and a very poor one. Either way, she'll come away from this humiliated.
i am not so certain.
you realize that you can be charged, and convicted of rape in california if you have sex with a girl who is drunk....
Even if she gets a conviction, she'll still be the woman who let a man apply ointment to her with his knob for 9 months.
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How the hell can they call that rape by deception? What kind of idiot would believe that any cream had to be applied internally using someone's cock?? What kind of idiot would take treatment advice from a 'friend' for that matter??
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Either she's mentally deficient or she's a liar, and a very poor one. Either way, she'll come away from this humiliated.
To be honest I would assume she's telling the truth simply because it must be so humiliating admitting that you were taken in by something as stupid as that and for so long. But whether its actually rape or not I don't know (I think possibly not).
A test occurred to me - if someone approaches you in the street and offers to take away all the money in your wallet to be specially cleaned, if you're stupid enough to hand over all your cash have you been mugged? or just taken advantage of by somebody with no scruples and more brains than you? ???
How the hell can they call that rape by deception? What kind of idiot would believe that any cream had to be applied internally using someone's cock?? What kind of idiot would take treatment advice from a 'friend' for that matter??
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Either she's mentally deficient or she's a liar, and a very poor one. Either way, she'll come away from this humiliated.
i am not so certain.
you realize that you can be charged, and convicted of rape in california if you have sex with a girl who is drunk....
Even if she gets a conviction, she'll still be the woman who let a man apply ointment to her with his knob for 9 months.
:LMAO:
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They were actually trying to change the rape laws here to include having sex with a drunk woman- if a woman's judgement can be impaired enough for her to not make a rational decision about having sex because she's been drinking, why doesn't the same go for men? Don't beer goggles fit both sexes?
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A test occurred to me - if someone approaches you in the street and offers to take away all the money in your wallet to be specially cleaned, if you're stupid enough to hand over all your cash have you been mugged? or just taken advantage of by somebody with no scruples and more brains than you?
interesting analysis.
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They were actually trying to change the rape laws here to include having sex with a drunk woman- if a woman's judgement can be impaired enough for her to not make a rational decision about having sex because she's been drinking, why doesn't the same go for men? Don't beer goggles fit both sexes?
how dare that cow masturbate with my cock after i had eight beers.
seriously, some girls talked me into having sex with their fugly friend when i was 16 and drunk.
i felt so dirty the next day.
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They were actually trying to change the rape laws here to include having sex with a drunk woman- if a woman's judgement can be impaired enough for her to not make a rational decision about having sex because she's been drinking, why doesn't the same go for men? Don't beer goggles fit both sexes?
how dare that cow masturbate with my cock after i had eight beers.
seriously, some girls talked me into having sex with their fugly friend when i was 16 and drunk.
i felt so dirty the next day.
Quick. Call victim support. ::)
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They were actually trying to change the rape laws here to include having sex with a drunk woman- if a woman's judgement can be impaired enough for her to not make a rational decision about having sex because she's been drinking, why doesn't the same go for men? Don't beer goggles fit both sexes?
how dare that cow masturbate with my cock after i had eight beers.
seriously, some girls talked me into having sex with their fugly friend when i was 16 and drunk.
i felt so dirty the next day.
Quick. Call victim support. ::)
also, about 6 months later, two 14 year old girls began tickling me and pinning me down. then they started pulling down my pants, till they had their way with me.
i felt so used.
true stories!
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If you don't wanna wake up next to someone you'd never sleep with sober then the answer is don't drink so much next time, not accuse that person of raping you. Its all about personal responsibility- you have a responsibility to not get so pissed you're can't think straight.
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If you don't wanna wake up next to someone you'd never sleep with sober then the answer is don't drink so much next time, not accuse that person of raping you. Its all about personal responsibility- you have a responsibility to not get so pissed you're can't think straight.
i view alcohol as an excuse to do what you are too reserved to do when you are sober....liquid courage.
i really don't think that it really makes a person do what they normally wouldn't. it just gives them a built in excuse as to why they did.
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They were actually trying to change the rape laws here to include having sex with a drunk woman- if a woman's judgement can be impaired enough for her to not make a rational decision about having sex because she's been drinking, why doesn't the same go for men? Don't beer goggles fit both sexes?
A case could even be made that a drunk man is at greater risk than a drunk woman and requires greater legal protections, since a drunk woman who has sex and gets pregnant can abort, while a drunk man who has sex and gets the woman pregnant is all out of options. I'd settle for simple equality though.
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If you don't wanna wake up next to someone you'd never sleep with sober then the answer is don't drink so much next time, not accuse that person of raping you. Its all about personal responsibility- you have a responsibility to not get so pissed you're can't think straight.
i view alcohol as an excuse to do what you are too reserved to do when you are sober....liquid courage.
i really don't think that it really makes a person do what they normally wouldn't. it just gives them a built in excuse as to why they did.
That's the way I always used it- as a way of shutting off my shyness so I could have some fun.
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They were actually trying to change the rape laws here to include having sex with a drunk woman- if a woman's judgement can be impaired enough for her to not make a rational decision about having sex because she's been drinking, why doesn't the same go for men? Don't beer goggles fit both sexes?
A case could even be made that a drunk man is at greater risk than a drunk woman and requires greater legal protections, since a drunk woman who has sex and gets pregnant can abort, while a drunk man who has sex and gets the woman pregnant is all out of options. I'd settle for simple equality though.
Yes, but as I said on another thread this week- the inequalities often come down to the way society thinks women are supposed to view sex- the men are supposed to be the ones that want it more and will do anything to get it (including lying or taking advantage of a drunk woman), whilst women are supposed to just do as a means to getting a long term relationship. ::)
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They were actually trying to change the rape laws here to include having sex with a drunk woman- if a woman's judgement can be impaired enough for her to not make a rational decision about having sex because she's been drinking, why doesn't the same go for men? Don't beer goggles fit both sexes?
other things can be "impaired" on a man who's drunk too much being harassed by someone he considers unattractive that can reduce the likelihood of this situation
on a separate note:
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It's better (referring to the cartoon), if you claim
it's the cops, a hot penis, and you sell it to her
cheaply.
Great thread though. My reactions have pretty much
been covered. But gods - how could anyone be
THIS stupid?
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They were actually trying to change the rape laws here to include having sex with a drunk woman- if a woman's judgement can be impaired enough for her to not make a rational decision about having sex because she's been drinking, why doesn't the same go for men? Don't beer goggles fit both sexes?
other things can be "impaired" on a man who's drunk too much being harassed by someone he considers unattractive that can reduce the likelihood of this situation
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Yes- but the fact is both male and female rape victims report feeling arousal despite the fact there were being raped. But we're not taking about actual rape here- we talking about the suggested change to the law that would have meant that if a woman was consider to have been too drunk to give reasoned consent it could be considered rape. Its not a case of being so drunk that you couldn't stop someone you didn't want to have sex with from having sex with you (if you didn't want it to happen or were passed out so weren't aware it was happening that is rape imo) , its about the murky issue of how drunk do you have to be for yes to not really mean yes. If you're going to say that a woman could be too drunk to know what she was doing when she consented to sex than how can you not claim the same thing about men?
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just noticed there's follow up articles:
http://www.westerntelegraph.co.uk/mostpopular.var.1358239.0.teacher_sobs_as_she_tells_court_she_was_tricked_into_sex.php?s=s
http://www.westerntelegraph.co.uk/mostpopular.var.1367301.0.penis_cream_pilot_walks_free.php?s=s
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And if a pair of drunks "hooks up" should they both
be charged?
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The woman sobbed as she told the jury how the deception began.
"It was a cream to be placed on to a stainless steel, tubular instrument, something quite similar to a penis," she said.
"It was to be inserted into me. He (Sbano) said a BUPA nurse would have to insert it inside me but the cost of this nurse would be a lot.
"Fadi said that his method of application would have benefits because it would not be costly and would be softer than a blunt metal instrument."
She said before each session Sbano would telephone Ibby for instructions and depending on how deep the application needed to be, sex would take place in different positions.
lol
thing is, unless he wore a condom, which isn't stated, wouldn't he be worried he'd get herpes?
During the trial, the prosecution had alleged that Sbano, from Harrow, fooled the woman into believing he could cure her herpes by having sexual intercourse with cream applied on the end of his penis.
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They were actually trying to change the rape laws here to include having sex with a drunk woman- if a woman's judgement can be impaired enough for her to not make a rational decision about having sex because she's been drinking, why doesn't the same go for men? Don't beer goggles fit both sexes?
other things can be "impaired" on a man who's drunk too much being harassed by someone he considers unattractive that can reduce the likelihood of this situation
on a separate note:
Yes- but the fact is both male and female rape victims report feeling arousal despite the fact there were being raped. But we're not taking about actual rape here- we talking about the suggested change to the law that would have meant that if a woman was consider to have been too drunk to give reasoned consent it could be considered rape. Its not a case of being so drunk that you couldn't stop someone you didn't want to have sex with from having sex with you (if you didn't want it to happen or were passed out so weren't aware it was happening that is rape imo) , its about the murky issue of how drunk do you have to be for yes to not really mean yes. If you're going to say that a woman could be too drunk to know what she was doing when she consented to sex than how can you not claim the same thing about men?
I agree, it's a ridiculous law.
Wouldn't it be the case that, even if you agree to sex you might not agree to sober, the actual sex also happens while you're drunk. it's not like you agree to it drunk, then have to go through with it while sober
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It's also not like a person doesn't
know (by a fairly early age) that
alcohol changes their views on
things. By CHOOSING to drink,
one might well be choosing to
circumvent their inhibitions.
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It's also not like a person doesn't
know (by a fairly early age) that
alcohol changes their views on
things. By CHOOSING to drink,
one might well be choosing to
circumvent their inhibitions.
Exactly- personal responsibility. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that getting wasted might mean you make some bad choices, People have to accept the bad choices they make when pissed and perhaps even accept that they got pissed so they could feel free to make those bad choices.
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true. but i suppose there's some circumstances where it would makes sense. say if there's like some almost unconscious girl at a party and a bloke woke her up and said come on upstairs and she drunkenly followed him and he shagged her without her really knowing what she was doing, she'd be within her rights to be pretty pissed off, and the bloke saying "well you shouldn't have got pissed then love" doesn't sound to me like it justifies it.
but if in a more typical situation where she's not as drunk then i agree it's a ridiculous rule. i think it's pretty hard to get the law on this right to be honest
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Okay, let's take your situation, but assume that
the male is somewhat inebriated, as well. In this
case, he's probably not fully in control of his faculties
either. It all becomes pretty damned tricky to judge.
Anyway, one thing which really bugs the crap out of
me, is that this kind of behavior is treated pretty much
the same as a violent rape, by some people. There is
a world of difference. I'm not sure that the penalty
should necessarily differ, but date-rape seems likely
to be a matter of sexual pressuring, whilst what I
would call rape proper is more of an act of pure
violence.
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[cartman] I know how to get free seemen, this guy who hangs out at the mini-mart gives it to you for free. You just close your eyes and suck it out of a straw[/cartman]
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Okay, let's take your situation, but assume that
the male is somewhat inebriated, as well. In this
case, he's probably not fully in control of his faculties
either. It all becomes pretty damned tricky to judge.
Anyway, one thing which really bugs the crap out of
me, is that this kind of behavior is treated pretty much
the same as a violent rape, by some people. There is
a world of difference. I'm not sure that the penalty
should necessarily differ, but date-rape seems likely
to be a matter of sexual pressuring, whilst what I
would call rape proper is more of an act of pure
violence.
yeah but in my situation that would be irrelevant because he's the one taking the initiative and taking her upstairs. He can't say "well - i was drunk, don't blame me".
If on the other hand it was completely the other way round and a girl took a semi unconscious man, ripped his clothes off etc then yeah the law should in theory be equal.
and that has happened - see this report:
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1027927.ece
Woman convicted of rape
In a landmark case a 23-year-old woman has been convicted by a Bergen court for the rape of a 31-year-old man.
The woman was sentenced to nine months in prison and ordered to pay NOK 40,000 (USD 6,385) to the man.
The incident occurred on Jan. 4 last year in a Bergen apartment. The man testified that he fell asleep on a sofa and woke up to find the woman performing oral sex on him.
The woman eventually admitted sexual contact but claimed that it was voluntary and that the man was willing and smiled.
The case has attracted attention and is the first time a Norwegian woman has been charged with raping a man.
thing is a case like this kind of makes you laugh doesn't it? she must have been pretty fugly for him to sue like this
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true. but i suppose there's some circumstances where it would makes sense. say if there's like some almost unconscious girl at a party and a bloke woke her up and said come on upstairs and she drunkenly followed him and he shagged her without her really knowing what she was doing, she'd be within her rights to be pretty pissed off, and the bloke saying "well you shouldn't have got pissed then love" doesn't sound to me like it justifies it.
but if in a more typical situation where she's not as drunk then i agree it's a ridiculous rule. i think it's pretty hard to get the law on this right to be honest
Sure she'd have a right to be pissed off, but is it really rape? If she agreed to it at the time, despite being in a state, how is he to know that when sober she's going to have changed her mind? Even if he went for her because of the state she was in is it actually rape when she drunkenly consented? I'm not taking about someone not being in a fit state to say 'no' here, but someone agreeing to sex.
The question is really is there a difference between someone fucking someone who's in such a state because they chose to drink so much and fucking someone who's drink you've spiked without their consent?
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The question is really is there a difference between someone fucking someone who's in such a state because they chose to drink so much and fucking someone who's drink you've spiked without their consent?
Of course. But there's also the difference between taking
advantage of someone who is drunk, and plying them with
more drink, in the hopes of getting them so smashed that
they'll consent. And this is really where the problem comes.
I'd say the first is definitely a violation of the person's rights,
but the second is a MUCH fuzzier area.
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The question is really is there a difference between someone fucking someone who's in such a state because they chose to drink so much and fucking someone who's drink you've spiked without their consent?
Of course. But there's also the difference between taking
advantage of someone who is drunk, and plying them with
more drink, in the hopes of getting them so smashed that
they'll consent. And this is really where the problem comes.
I'd say the first is definitely a violation of the person's rights,
but the second is a MUCH fuzzier area.
Reality rarely comes in black and white.
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Okay, let's take your situation, but assume that
the male is somewhat inebriated, as well. In this
case, he's probably not fully in control of his faculties
either. It all becomes pretty damned tricky to judge.
Anyway, one thing which really bugs the crap out of
me, is that this kind of behavior is treated pretty much
the same as a violent rape, by some people. There is
a world of difference. I'm not sure that the penalty
should necessarily differ, but date-rape seems likely
to be a matter of sexual pressuring, whilst what I
would call rape proper is more of an act of pure
violence.
yeah but in my situation that would be irrelevant because he's the one taking the initiative and taking her upstairs. He can't say "well - i was drunk, don't blame me".
If on the other hand it was completely the other way round and a girl took a semi unconscious man, ripped his clothes off etc then yeah the law should in theory be equal.
and that has happened - see this report:
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1027927.ece
Woman convicted of rape
In a landmark case a 23-year-old woman has been convicted by a Bergen court for the rape of a 31-year-old man.
The woman was sentenced to nine months in prison and ordered to pay NOK 40,000 (USD 6,385) to the man.
The incident occurred on Jan. 4 last year in a Bergen apartment. The man testified that he fell asleep on a sofa and woke up to find the woman performing oral sex on him.
The woman eventually admitted sexual contact but claimed that it was voluntary and that the man was willing and smiled.
The case has attracted attention and is the first time a Norwegian woman has been charged with raping a man.
thing is a case like this kind of makes you laugh doesn't it? she must have been pretty fugly for him to sue like this
interesting that this even has to be a landmark decision.
how long and how many men have been falsely accused of rape. and finally a women gets convicted of this.
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what i mean is....do i lose my ability to make the general claim that only men are accused and convicted of rape?
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this is just one thing that happened in norway a couple of years ago so i guess you still can.
there might be a few others but not many.
but i don't really think it's a cause worth getting het up about. tbh there's not enough women trying to sexually harass me
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this is just one thing that happened in norway a couple of years ago so i guess you still can.
there might be a few others but not many.
but i don't really think it's a cause worth getting het up about. tbh there's not enough women trying to sexually harass me
i believe that by the definition of sex that i was raped several times.
but it doesn't count because i was aroused.
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this is just one thing that happened in norway a couple of years ago so i guess you still can.
there might be a few others but not many.
but i don't really think it's a cause worth getting het up about. tbh there's not enough women trying to sexually harass me
i believe that by the definition of sex that i was raped several times.
but it doesn't count because i was aroused.
I think that I've probably managed to rape myself then.
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I've got raped last wednesday...
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look.
a man says that he was raped and then it becomes a joke.
what if i was graelwyn who said that she had been raped?
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Some of it's context, McJ. It's unlikely (though not impossible) that an actual rape victim would admit to it in the open/joking way Sir Spamalot just did.
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Some of it's context, McJ. It's unlikely (though not impossible) that an actual rape victim would admit to it in the open/joking way Sir Spamalot just did.
i have admitted to it.
but the difference is that i got an erection.
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Technically, I don't think an erection should matter. It's possibly for the body to get physiologically aroused even if the person is trapped and scared out of their mind. That's part of how it works with child abuse - the abuser will arouse the kid and then use that as "proof" that the kid enjoys it and was "asking for it".
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Technically, I don't think an erection should matter. It's possibly for the body to get physiologically aroused even if the person is trapped and scared out of their mind. That's part of how it works with child abuse - the abuser will arouse the kid and then use that as "proof" that the kid enjoys it and was "asking for it".
THANK YOU! That needed pointing out. It's like cutting someone's arm and saying they chose to bleed. The human body responds certain ways to certain stimuli even when we don't want it to.
As to the question of drunkness: How about someone who didn't know what alcohol would do to them/wasn't used to knowing how to pace themselves? I have a friend who got shitfaced beyond belief when she turned 21 because with the first little bit of alcohol she forgot that different alcohol has different potency and someone at the party kept sneaking her shapps (however it's spelled).
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Also, in response to the original topic: The woman was an idiot. I'm just not sure if she was also a liar. And on the one hand, It seems unfortunate that the guy spent 7 months in jail for this, on the other hand, if she really was stupid enough to buy it, I do feel bad for her. She's a teacher though, so, all jokes aside, she would have to be functionally intelligent (i.e. not so stupid she couldn't do basic self-care/fending for herself).
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Technically, I don't think an erection should matter. It's possibly for the body to get physiologically aroused even if the person is trapped and scared out of their mind. That's part of how it works with child abuse - the abuser will arouse the kid and then use that as "proof" that the kid enjoys it and was "asking for it".
THANK YOU! That needed pointing out. It's like cutting someone's arm and saying they chose to bleed. The human body responds certain ways to certain stimuli even when we don't want it to.
As to the question of drunkness: How about someone who didn't know what alcohol would do to them/wasn't used to knowing how to pace themselves? I have a friend who got shitfaced beyond belief when she turned 21 because with the first little bit of alcohol she forgot that different alcohol has different potency and someone at the party kept sneaking her shapps (however it's spelled).
and she was 21 and she forgot.
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Technically, I don't think an erection should matter. It's possibly for the body to get physiologically aroused even if the person is trapped and scared out of their mind. That's part of how it works with child abuse - the abuser will arouse the kid and then use that as "proof" that the kid enjoys it and was "asking for it".
THANK YOU! That needed pointing out. It's like cutting someone's arm and saying they chose to bleed. The human body responds certain ways to certain stimuli even when we don't want it to.
As to the question of drunkness: How about someone who didn't know what alcohol would do to them/wasn't used to knowing how to pace themselves? I have a friend who got shitfaced beyond belief when she turned 21 because with the first little bit of alcohol she forgot that different alcohol has different potency and someone at the party kept sneaking her shapps (however it's spelled).
and she was 21 and she forgot.
I told her once when we were both 18 (it was news) and she kind of forgot about it till we told her again closer to her birthday. She's lead a bizarrely sheltered life. Beofre she was 21 she'd never been drunk though she'd had alcohol a couple of times, with friends.
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friends are very good in these situations.
friends should look out.
unless she says no, i don't view it as rape. and i believe that there are different levels of rape.
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look.
a man says that he was raped and then it becomes a joke.
what if i was graelwyn who said that she had been raped?
If a woman said that she was raped in the joking way that you did they would probably get the same response you did. And if you'd have seriously posted about being raped people would have been unlikely to have made a joke about it.
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Technically, I don't think an erection should matter. It's possibly for the body to get physiologically aroused even if the person is trapped and scared out of their mind. That's part of how it works with child abuse - the abuser will arouse the kid and then use that as "proof" that the kid enjoys it and was "asking for it".
THANK YOU! That needed pointing out. It's like cutting someone's arm and saying they chose to bleed. The human body responds certain ways to certain stimuli even when we don't want it to.
As to the question of drunkness: How about someone who didn't know what alcohol would do to them/wasn't used to knowing how to pace themselves? I have a friend who got shitfaced beyond belief when she turned 21 because with the first little bit of alcohol she forgot that different alcohol has different potency and someone at the party kept sneaking her shapps (however it's spelled).
I already did point that out.
Its not like being completely smashed sneaks up on you though- you start to feel the effects of alcohol long before you're in the kind of state that you couldn't make a rational decision. Even someone who has lead a sheltered live must know the potential effects alcohol can have on a person. If they said yes to sex being in such a state is it really rape though or just a series of bad decisions?
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look.
a man says that he was raped and then it becomes a joke.
what if i was graelwyn who said that she had been raped?
If a woman said that she was raped in the joking way that you did they would probably get the same response you did. And if you'd have seriously posted about being raped people would have been unlikely to have made a joke about it.
thanks to societal pressures, if i was raped then i am only allowed to mention it in passing or a joke.
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I never took you for one that would give into societal pressures.
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Technically, I don't think an erection should matter. It's possibly for the body to get physiologically aroused even if the person is trapped and scared out of their mind. That's part of how it works with child abuse - the abuser will arouse the kid and then use that as "proof" that the kid enjoys it and was "asking for it".
THANK YOU! That needed pointing out. It's like cutting someone's arm and saying they chose to bleed. The human body responds certain ways to certain stimuli even when we don't want it to.
As to the question of drunkness: How about someone who didn't know what alcohol would do to them/wasn't used to knowing how to pace themselves? I have a friend who got shitfaced beyond belief when she turned 21 because with the first little bit of alcohol she forgot that different alcohol has different potency and someone at the party kept sneaking her shapps (however it's spelled).
I already did point that out.
Its not like being completely smashed sneaks up on you though- you start to feel the effects of alcohol long before you're in the kind of state that you couldn't make a rational decision. Even someone who has lead a sheltered live must know the potential effects alcohol can have on a person. If they said yes to sex being in such a state is it really rape though or just a series of bad decisions?
In this case, apparently her knowledge of when to say no to alcohol was the first thing to go. Someone who did know better was getting her to drink very potent alcohol. She remembered almost nothing later. If she had had sex while drunk at that party, I would have considered it rape, because she honestly didn't know what the effects of the alcohol would be.
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at 21?
i hope she knew better than to run into the street without looking both ways.
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at 21?
i hope she knew better than to run into the street without looking both ways.
Hey, I don't know yet what alcohol would do to me, as far as potency and unique effects. I never intend to find out, either. I'd probably get drunk very very easily though; that much is a fair guess given my general metabolism of medications.
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at 21?
i hope she knew better than to run into the street without looking both ways.
Hey, I don't know yet what alcohol would do to me. I never intend to find out, either.
it'll make you horny.
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it'll make you horny.
Naah; benzos work in similar receptors and they don't make me horny in the least. I'm just not sure if the fact that it was alcohol I drank would make me start either feeling remorseful, or getting a flood of memories from my childhood. Either way, a drunk me would probably just be rocking in the corner, crying. I might have a good experience and just be disinhibited like with benzos, though. 50/50.
I probably would clean out my refirgerator in a half-hour long binge.
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I think there is a difference between a woman drinking enough to lower her inhibitions and saying yes to sex in that condition and being too drunk to reasonably give consent. At any rate, although the laws vary from state to state, a person who has sex with a woman too drunk to give consent and who did not administer the intoxicating substance to her is guilty of simple rape as opposed to forcible rape and I believe the penalties are different.`If the perpetrator administered the intoxicating substance without the victim's consent and then has sex with her, the penalties are much harsher.
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It seems unfortunate that the guy spent 7 months in jail for this,
The time was served as a matter of contempt of court. Anyone who resists
the Computer God's will must be punished, even if otherwise innocent.
She's a teacher though, so, all jokes aside, she would have to be functionally intelligent
Seems like she really wasn't. There are a lot of idiots out there though.
Hell, they let me drive - so there is proof that there are dangerous
people making decisions.
and she was 21 and she forgot.
I forget even now - especially once I start drinking.
unless she says no, i don't view it as rape. and i believe that there are different levels of rape.
This statement almost seems like a contradiction. If someone is
drugged, and used, they never were given a chance to say no -
it seems like some form of rape - though perhaps there's
another word for forcing sex without consent which you find
more appropriate. But there has to be (and is legally) a difference
between types of rape. The word is so loaded with the violent
image however, that many don't really consider date rape to
be all that bad; they are definitely different creatures though.
it'll make you horny.
Either way, a drunk me would probably just be rocking in the corner, crying.
That's McJ's idea of horny. >:D
I think there is a difference between a woman drinking enough to lower her inhibitions and saying yes to sex in that condition and being too drunk to reasonably give consent. At any rate, although the laws vary from state to state, a person who has sex with a woman too drunk to give consent and who did not administer the intoxicating substance to her is guilty of simple rape as opposed to forcible rape and I believe the penalties are different.`If the perpetrator administered the intoxicating substance without the victim's consent and then has sex with her, the penalties are much harsher.
Yeah. It's also pretty damned hard to prove the issue when drugs are
involved. But I wouldn't be one bit surprised if there were women
who went to parties, and got themselves drunk enough to pass
out, in the hopes of waking up, and being used in some sort of
Frat gang-bang. Still, it seems like anyone climbing aboard someone
who's incapable of reacting probably deserve some sort of rape
charge.
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The time was served as a matter of contempt of court. Anyone who resists
the Computer God's will must be punished, even if otherwise innocent.
It was a Gangster Court with Parroting Puppet district attorneys and judges. :tantrum:
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Quote from: McJagger on Today at 06:22:46 AM
unless she says no, i don't view it as rape. and i believe that there are different levels of rape.
This statement almost seems like a contradiction. If someone is
drugged, and used, they never were given a chance to say no -
it seems like some form of rape - though perhaps there's
another word for forcing sex without consent which you find
more appropriate. But there has to be (and is legally) a difference
between types of rape. The word is so loaded with the violent
image however, that many don't really consider date rape to
be all that bad; they are definitely different creatures though.
not sure where i said anything about being drugged in the quoted statement that you argued against.
also, not sure if i ever argued that someone who was given drugs or alcohol against their will was not rape.
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If drugged, she can't say no, perhaps.
Probably just picking more nits, but
I honestly thought that you meant
that.
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If drugged, she can't say no, perhaps.
Probably just picking more nits, but
I honestly thought that you meant
that.
when she chooses to drink or drug, you must wonder why.
i think that mainly it is to give yourself a built in excuse to do the things that you want to do when you are sober, but maybe to shy to do.
liquid courage.
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when she chooses to drink or drug, you must wonder why.
i think that mainly it is to give yourself a built in excuse to do the things that you want to do when you are sober, but maybe to shy to do.
liquid courage.
Which was one of my recurring points. But, just not saying
no, seemed to allow for slipping her a mickey. One might
also get drunk (or perhaps be in a coma) under 'safe'
circumstances, and simply be happened upon, and used.
I think that people should probably refrain from having
sex with the unconscious, unless they know that it
won't be unwanted.
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when she chooses to drink or drug, you must wonder why.
i think that mainly it is to give yourself a built in excuse to do the things that you want to do when you are sober, but maybe to shy to do.
liquid courage.
Which was one of my recurring points. But, just not saying
no, seemed to allow for slipping her a mickey. One might
also get drunk (or perhaps be in a coma) under 'safe'
circumstances, and simply be happened upon, and used.
I think that people should probably refrain from having
sex with the unconscious, unless they know that it
won't be unwanted.
who would want to have sex with the unconscious anyways?
might as well jerk off.
i mean, i like to get fucked.
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who would want to have sex with the unconscious anyways?
might as well jerk off.
i mean, i like to get fucked.
Perhaps some frat boy, who can't get it any other way?
We're not talking about you, here.
To be fair though, it's not like a sleeping body doesn't
still respond. No idea with a drugged or comatose one.
My wife actually moved better when sleeping (at least
inside); telling her that - and agreeing with one of her
ex'es, was one of the great pains that I inflicted on
her, accidentally.
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I still can't figure out how anyone can sleep through sex unless they're drugged. Fall asleep during, maybe. Sleeping that soundly seems almost pathological. :O_o:
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I still can't figure out how anyone can sleep through sex unless they're drugged. Fall asleep during, maybe. Sleeping that soundly seems almost pathological. :O_o:
Well, I'd move VERY slowly, so as not to wake her fully.
Sometimes, it worked. She was never unhappy about it.
Perhaps it was just the concentration of trying not to
awaken her, that made her seem like she was moving
better.
Though, she passed out during an RPG, and was kinda
moving around pretty well - much to the rest of the
players' amusement. She had very little trouble falling
asleep.
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I still can't figure out how anyone can sleep through sex unless they're drugged. Fall asleep during, maybe. Sleeping that soundly seems almost pathological. :O_o:
Well, I'd move VERY slowly, so as not to wake her fully.
Sometimes, it worked. She was never unhappy about it.
Perhaps it was just the concentration of trying not to
awaken her, that made her seem like she was moving
better.
Though, she passed out during an RPG, and was kinda
moving around pretty well - much to the rest of the
players' amusement. She had very little trouble falling
asleep.
RPG? You incorporated dice into a kinky sex orgy?
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No. Though sometimes sex did come
into it (when my psycho ex's boyfriend
wasn't present :evillaugh:). She just
fell asleep, and started moving in a
rather enticing manner. We all got
a nice laugh out of it.
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No. Though sometimes sex did come
into it (when my psycho ex's boyfriend
wasn't present :evillaugh:). She just
fell asleep, and started moving in a
rather enticing manner. We all got
a nice laugh out of it.
Sleepwalking?
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More sleep-squirming. We were sitting on the floor.
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Ohhh. Makes more sense now.
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More sleep-squirming. We were sitting on the floor.
Narcolepsy ??
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More sleep-squirming. We were sitting on the floor.
Narcolepsy ??
I think she was just tired, and things weren't much
involving her. Still, she definitely moved well while
asleep.