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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Natalia Evans on April 11, 2010, 04:44:26 AM
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/09/american-torryann-hansen-_n_531477.html
She had him for six months and then decided to return him.
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Trash shouldn't be allowed to adopt. :thumbdn:
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Wonder what they'd do with a biological kid that's not behaving well. Where can you send them back to?
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Wonder what they'd do with a biological kid that's not behaving well. Where can you send them back to?
Usually it involves a bathtub, and a pair of hands...
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I saw that one. Those kids go threw a lot at those orphanages before they come here and the parents should know that before they even get involved. There are many deserving older kids here they could choose from
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I know a couple of people who adopted kids from Russia. Sometimes it works out well but sometimes the kids have lots of problems even before they go into orphanages.
Here is a case of another kid who was adopted from a Russian orphanage who wound up bringing a gun to school:
http://www.startribune.com/local/east/90319512.html?elr=KArks:DCiU1PciUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU
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There are many deserving older kids here they could choose from
Yes. The why of the matter does come into questions when people leave the country to adopt.
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Rather they send him back than abuse him or worse I guess. But I think they handled this really poorly, you don't put a 7 year old kid by himself on a plane to another country because you can't handle him anymore.
The woman's mother (adoptive grandmother) is the one who stuck him on the plane. WTF you would have thought one of them would have had better sense.
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Rather they send him back than abuse him or worse I guess. But I think they handled this really poorly, you don't put a 7 year old kid by himself on a plane to another country because you can't handle him anymore.
The woman's mother (adoptive grandmother) is the one who stuck him on the plane. WTF you would have thought one of them would have had better sense.
Whatever psychological problems he had before, can you imagine how much worse they'll be now? I wonder what professional help, if any, the adoptive parents sought on his behalf.
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How could the stupid fucks think that an orphan from Russia would act "normal" in the first place? ::)
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Why wouldn't they act "normal"? Because they're from Russia or because they're orphans? ::) My aunt looked after two orphan girls from Russia and they were fine.
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How could the stupid fucks think that an orphan from Russia would act "normal" in the first place? ::)
Perhaps they had reason to believe the boy suffered from this condition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactive_attachment_disorder
and concluded that there was no hope for him. :(
Nevertheless, to give it only 6 months and then send him back to Russia alone... :facepalm2:
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Nothing is "normal" in Russia.
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I know a couple of people who adopted kids from Russia. Sometimes it works out well but sometimes the kids have lots of problems even before they go into orphanages.
Here is a case of another kid who was adopted from a Russian orphanage who wound up bringing a gun to school:
http://www.startribune.com/local/east/90319512.html?elr=KArks:DCiU1PciUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU
This is also a major problem with kids adopted from Romanian orphanages. Many of these kids have been socially isolated since birth and are incurable sociopathic by the time they're 7.
I saw a case of one such kid on 60 Minutes who was adopted as a 5 year old. He spat at, kicked, punched and even tried to stab his adoptive parents. He also did the same thing to other kids that tried to befriend him. It took 2 years and $100,000 worth of intensive psychological therapy to set him straight. Barring that though, the only way to fix these kids is with a bullet to the head.
The book Freakonomics deals with this very subject. You are looking at the reason why abortion reduces violent crime. 90% of violent crime is done by repeat offenders. Abortion prevents these criminals from being born in the first place.
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Why wouldn't they act "normal"? Because they're from Russia or because they're orphans? ::) My aunt looked after two orphan girls from Russia and they were fine.
Yes Binty, it's because they're Russians, and you're just another piece of proof that the whole Slavic race is fucked up. :rofl:
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Though the Russian mafia is :viking:
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Though the Russian mafia is :viking:
any mafia is :viking:
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Though the Russian mafia is :viking:
any mafia is :viking:
I read about some mafia leader in the US. He had four cops beaten to death with a baseball bat in a mall with hundreds of people watching in the 1980s. No one dared to witness, though. That's BRAVE! Talking to the state in a way it understands. :viking:
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Though the Russian mafia is :viking:
any mafia is :viking:
I read about some mafia leader in the US. He had four cops beaten to death with a baseball bat in a mall with hundreds of people watching in the 1980s. No one dared to witness, though. That's BRAVE! Talking to the state in a way it understands. :viking:
Cool!!! do you have a link to the story??
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Though the Russian mafia is :viking:
any mafia is :viking:
I read about some mafia leader in the US. He had four cops beaten to death with a baseball bat in a mall with hundreds of people watching in the 1980s. No one dared to witness, though. That's BRAVE! Talking to the state in a way it understands. :viking:
Cool!!! do you have a link to the story??
I think it was on Wiki, but I have no link. :-\ It was some sub-article. Though he got 1000 years of imprisonment many years later, but I still think he was cool. :viking:
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Wonder what they'd do with a biological kid that's not behaving well. Where can you send them back to?
You hand them to the state. :zoinks:
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Everyone should know that when you adopt an older child, they usually have problems. Lot of people know that so that's why lot of people want a baby to adopt. They don't want a child that has already been screwed up, they want a baby where they can screw up on their own. But when you adopt a baby, parents sometimes find out later their baby has health problems or other mental problems. Sometimes parents find out the bio mother did drugs while she was pregnant. But do they send them back? No.
I have noticed that it seems like most adopted kids have issues. My mom worked in special ed as an ed and she had students in there who were adopted and they had problems with their memory. They were unable to do things like do their homework and return it to school because they were unable to remember. They also couldn't remember other simple things we can remember so my mom had to help them by helping them find a way to remember. They had that problem because their bio moms did drugs while pregnant. I also knew someone who had problems with her memory as well but yet she was able to remember to clean the house and take care of her child but she was unable to work because of her memory. Something that never made sense. She was also adopted too and her bio mom did drugs also when she was pregnant with her and her twin sister. Her sister also had memory issues too.
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After 5 you're usually screwed up for good without the right upbringing.
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After 5 you're usually screwed up for good without the right upbringing.
I'd hate to think nothing could be healed or improved after age 5. I think there are a lot of :viking: people in the world who have overcome horrific circumstances.
*raises the cup of Simply Apple to toast their courage*
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After 5 you're usually screwed up for good without the right upbringing.
I'd hate to think nothing could be healed or improved after age 5. I think there are a lot of :viking: people in the world who have overcome horrific circumstances.
*raises the cup of Simply Apple to toast their courage*
I think you could still save them but it takes lots of work and many are just the quick gratification type
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After 5 you're usually screwed up for good without the right upbringing.
I'd hate to think nothing could be healed or improved after age 5. I think there are a lot of :viking: people in the world who have overcome horrific circumstances.
*raises the cup of Simply Apple to toast their courage*
I think you could still save them but it takes lots of work and many are just the quick gratification type
Yeah...it takes a lot of commitment from adoptive parents, which I wish this woman had thought about beforehand. :-\
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If you are american , what is wrong with adopting american kids.
As for the russian child , why did the airlines allow him to fly overseas , without asking questions.
They will probably charge the mother with child endangerment,
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If you are american , what is wrong with adopting american kids.
As for the russian child , why did the airlines allow him to fly overseas , without asking questions.
They will probably charge the mother with child endangerment,
He, same here. Swedes who can't get children of their own "import" them from foreign countries instead of taking care of Swedish orphans. ::)
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It's not like there is a shortage of kids here who need a home.,. I even have one though I knew him before he moved in he turned 18 the other day and is even is cooking tonight
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whats fer dinner
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whats fer dinner
Mac and Cheese and some other stuff
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The mother was a coward. Couldn't face the child services there.
Some people like to adopt foreign kids but it's more expensive than adopting kids in the USA. Adopting foster kids are the cheapest.
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After 5 you're usually screwed up for good without the right upbringing.
As they like to say in the Catholic Church, "Give us your kids until they're six and they're ours forever."
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The mother was a coward. Couldn't face the child services there.
Some people like to adopt foreign kids but it's more expensive than adopting kids in the USA. Adopting foster kids are the cheapest.
I think it is also because people suspect that kids given up for adoption in their own country will have a fucked up history with drugs and meds, or something else, that makes them not perfect. With kids from abroad they can hope it was 'only' extreme poverty leading to giving the kid up for adoption. And you don't have to worry about biological family turning up all of a sudden.
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The mother was a coward. Couldn't face the child services there.
Some people like to adopt foreign kids but it's more expensive than adopting kids in the USA. Adopting foster kids are the cheapest.
I think it is also because people suspect that kids given up for adoption in their own country will have a fucked up history with drugs and meds, or something else, that makes them not perfect. With kids from abroad they can hope it was 'only' extreme poverty leading to giving the kid up for adoption. And you don't have to worry about biological family turning up all of a sudden.
I get the impression that there is also less hoops to jump through when you adopt from overseas.
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The mother was a coward. Couldn't face the child services there.
Some people like to adopt foreign kids but it's more expensive than adopting kids in the USA. Adopting foster kids are the cheapest.
I think it is also because people suspect that kids given up for adoption in their own country will have a fucked up history with drugs and meds, or something else, that makes them not perfect. With kids from abroad they can hope it was 'only' extreme poverty leading to giving the kid up for adoption. And you don't have to worry about biological family turning up all of a sudden.
I get the impression that there is also less hoops to jump through when you adopt from overseas.
True, in most cases. But the poorer the country or less regard for human life, the easier it is. Not that I'm bagging Russia, I don't really know much about it.... just have visions of those orphanages they have over there that I've seen on TV, some are pretty horrid.
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*Sigh*
Maybe I shouldn't judge parents who give up their adoptive kids because I saw this on the local news a couple days ago. These people who adopted the boy was really dangerous. He threatened to kill them and hurt them, wanted to burn down the house so the parents had to hide everything that were weapons. Put them where he couldn't get to them. The story I heard on the local news was different than what I read in the article. They said they did try and get him help. The news also talked about a ranch in Montana for adoptive kids with psychological issues. Parents send them there and pay $3,500 a month for their help. But some parents don't even want their kids back so they basically pay them money to keep them there.
Perhaps these parents could have sent their boy there than back to Russia or maybe they couldn't afford it.
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*Sigh*
Maybe I shouldn't judge parents who give up their adoptive kids because I saw this on the local news a couple days ago. These people who adopted the boy was really dangerous. He threatened to kill them and hurt them, wanted to burn down the house so the parents had to hide everything that were weapons. Put them where he couldn't get to them. The story I heard on the local news was different than what I read in the article. They said they did try and get him help. The news also talked about a ranch in Montana for adoptive kids with psychological issues. Parents send them there and pay $3,500 a month for their help. But some parents don't even want their kids back so they basically pay them money to keep them there.
Perhaps these parents could have sent their boy there than back to Russia or maybe they couldn't afford it.
How long could the parents afford to pay $3500 per month for their kid to stay at the ranch for kids in Montana? Maybe they didn't have $42,000 a year to pay for him to stay there.
The adoptive parents of the other Russian kid I linked earlier in the thread who wound up bringing a gun to school went there, then he tried to poison his prospective father. Then the adoptive parents took him back into their home, but when their insurance wouldn't pay for him to stay any longer in a residential treatment facility, they asked the county for help and were turned down. So they gave up their parental rights and made him a ward of the state hoping he would get the treatment they could no longer afford to pay for because they had already spent their entire life savings trying to get him help.
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A friend of mine's brother adopted twins from Russia but they were very young about one year everything went well for them
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I have friends who adopted a young girl from Russia and she has ADHD but is doing pretty well.
I know someone else who adopted a 14 year old boy from Ukraine and it seems to be going reasonably well, too.
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*Sigh*
Maybe I shouldn't judge parents who give up their adoptive kids because I saw this on the local news a couple days ago. These people who adopted the boy was really dangerous. He threatened to kill them and hurt them, wanted to burn down the house so the parents had to hide everything that were weapons. Put them where he couldn't get to them. The story I heard on the local news was different than what I read in the article. They said they did try and get him help. The news also talked about a ranch in Montana for adoptive kids with psychological issues. Parents send them there and pay $3,500 a month for their help. But some parents don't even want their kids back so they basically pay them money to keep them there.
Perhaps these parents could have sent their boy there than back to Russia or maybe they couldn't afford it.
How long could the parents afford to pay $3500 per month for their kid to stay at the ranch for kids in Montana? Maybe they didn't have $42,000 a year to pay for him to stay there.
The adoptive parents of the other Russian kid I linked earlier in the thread who wound up bringing a gun to school went there, then he tried to poison his prospective father. Then the adoptive parents took him back into their home, but when their insurance wouldn't pay for him to stay any longer in a residential treatment facility, they asked the county for help and were turned down. So they gave up their parental rights and made him a ward of the state hoping he would get the treatment they could no longer afford to pay for because they had already spent their entire life savings trying to get him help.
And the parents were shunned. That's another example why we shouldn't judge people when they give up their kids.
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In Russia ADHD has you! :yikes: :bint:
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I have friends who adopted a young girl from Russia and she has ADHD but is doing pretty well.
I know someone else who adopted a 14 year old boy from Ukraine and it seems to be going reasonably well, too.
Is that an exception, or does it happen more, adopting a child of that age?
If I'm right there are age-limits here, to prevent too big problems in adapting. Only on special occasions exceptions are made. (Like when parents are schooled in educating and training kids, and are also adopting a younger sibbling)
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I took in a sixteen year old almost two years ago he can be trouble but no more than my kids
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I have friends who adopted a young girl from Russia and she has ADHD but is doing pretty well.
I know someone else who adopted a 14 year old boy from Ukraine and it seems to be going reasonably well, too.
Is that an exception, or does it happen more, adopting a child of that age?
If I'm right there are age-limits here, to prevent too big problems in adapting. Only on special occasions exceptions are made. (Like when parents are schooled in educating and training kids, and are also adopting a younger sibbling)
I think one can adopt an older child if one wants to. I think that many adoption agencies are more reluctant to give an infant to a couple who is over 45, but there are lots of older childen who really need good homes even more badly. This couple lost a son who had even more severe issues than the child they adopted, so at least they know how to handle a child with severe issues.
I think it would be very sad to be a child in an orphanage who is considered too old to be adopted where you live.
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I have friends who adopted a young girl from Russia and she has ADHD but is doing pretty well.
I know someone else who adopted a 14 year old boy from Ukraine and it seems to be going reasonably well, too.
Is that an exception, or does it happen more, adopting a child of that age?
If I'm right there are age-limits here, to prevent too big problems in adapting. Only on special occasions exceptions are made. (Like when parents are schooled in educating and training kids, and are also adopting a younger sibbling)
I think one can adopt an older child if one wants to. I think that many adoption agencies are more reluctant to give an infant to a couple who is over 45, but there are lots of older childen who really need good homes even more badly. This couple lost a son who had even more severe issues than the child they adopted, so at least they know how to handle a child with severe issues.
I think it would be very sad to be a child in an orphanage who is considered too old to be adopted where you live.
They will make exceptions, but not that easily. It's different from adopting a foster-kid, or a kid you already know. Then these age-limits are not there as far as I know. But when it comes to adopting unknown kids, they do tend to go for younger kids, because older kids have much more problems in adapting, and might be better off in their own country.
The people I know who adopted from abroad are supporting the orphanages the kids came from too. Not only helping their own kids, also those who stay there.