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Start here => What's your crime? Basic Discussion => Topic started by: jman on October 28, 2007, 03:55:56 PM
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I don't know if any of you are aware yet or not if you are i apologize in advance.
It seems starbuline from WP has passed on. Even though I didn't really know her I am still very saddened to hear this news. Based on her posts she seemed like a beautiful sweet intelligent pasionate young lady who had a lot of potential. She had alot of pain in her life and struggled for a long time with depression and was being emotionally abused at home. Shortly before her death from what I have gathered it seemed she had some conflicts with peoplefrom zomgaspies.com and WP add to that her b/f had comitted suicide two weeks earlier.
Her name was Sophie Borris and may she be at peace as she with God in his Kingdom...
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I was aware, yes. Its very sad.
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Shortly before her death from what I have gathered it seemed she had some conflicts with peoplefrom zomgaspies.com and WP add to that her b/f had comitted suicide two weeks earlier.
False. She was on exceedingly good terms
with the membership of her site. There is
no place more deeply effected by this tragedy,
with the possible exception of her own family.
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I think she was quarreling with a couple of people there.
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I think she was quarreling with a couple of people there.
Nothing serious. And no one really established.
Unlike WP, where she had grievances against
the entire fucking staff. Not that either was
of any importance to her decision.
I mean, ZOMG was her site, for crying out
loud.
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I just took a look at zomg and wow Sopho has taken quite a hit from this considering she was consdering suicide herself.... it seems they were really close
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Yes. They were.
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I feel like I've failed her. I tried to get her to see there was something and somebody out there for her.
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I didn't know her; never talked to her. I only became aware of her existence when she posted a few times here and got banned.
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I tried my damnedest to help. I really thought
she was stabilizing.
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she wasnt starbuline from wp she thought that site was shit after all the crap a few months ago. she didnt have any poroblems with zomg, it was her site. i started the whole site for her in the firsst palce and we ran it together. there was no real conflict until the ana54 shit and graelwyn saying she was insensitive to micahels death. other than that, the flaming on therwe was just for fun, we used to do it together and laugh about it on msn. fuck alex plank. fuck him and everything hes saying. every single thing hes said about her is a fducking lie
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:plus:
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I've already posted my thoughts on this else where. I wasn't close to her and we didn't really agree with each other. But I could have reached out instead of turning my back because of superficial differences.
I have no proof about what happens after you die, but I have my beliefs and have acted on them. I hope she heard me.
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i feel bad about leaving zOMG when Starbuline was still fucked up... i left cuz i was hypersensitive to a stupid av, but i could have installed adblock then... i didn't know it was so easy to do that. anyway i feel bad i wasn't there, i didn't even know her well at all, but i could see she was an amazing person and i wanted to know her. and then she died. :( and i wasn't there. i wanted to help her somehow but i just felt like an outsider and like i didn't know what to say. i PMd her and left it at that to give her space.
i hate suicide. people are so unique, they shouldn't die.
Aaron it really wasn't your fault, there was nothing you could do, she made her choice.
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no one like her should die like theat
she didnt even what it to be like that, she tried to do it another way and it didnt work so she had to die like that. that wasnt how she wante d it. she sent pmme peoictures of people whod killied themselves like that a while back and now she is liket them. she told me she wanted us to kill ourselves together and i ddnt because i would have been able to let her do it. i should have gone to do it with her but i didt i made her do it on her own, she was there on her own for ages, and she didnt even want tot die like that, she would have been scared on her own and i should have been there with her and noiw ill nevwer get to speak to her again or tell her how much i loved her ever again
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:-\
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no one like her should die like theat
she didnt even what it to be like that, she tried to do it another way and it didnt work so she had to die like that. that wasnt how she wante d it. she sent pmme peoictures of people whod killied themselves like that a while back and now she is liket them. she told me she wanted us to kill ourselves together and i ddnt because i would have been able to let her do it. i should have gone to do it with her but i didt i made her do it on her own, she was there on her own for ages, and she didnt even want tot die like that, she would have been scared on her own and i should have been there with her and noiw ill nevwer get to speak to her again or tell her how much i loved her ever again
i'm so sorry Soph. :(
i don't think you could have done anything though.
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i dont think anyone could have stopped her, but i could have given her it how she wanted instead of her all on her own doing it in a way she didnt like. and now everyone is being an asshole. alex said "You didn't know her like I did. You knew her after sopho changed her from the sweet caring person she was. Sopho wasn't her friend even though she thought she was. Sopho is partly to blame for this."
who the fuck is he to say that, she didnt even like him, i didnt make her stop liking him. i was her friend ffs, where was he when she cut herself and ended up in hospital? nowhere. it was me helping her. where was he wehn she got raped? talknig shit about her "losing her vriginity in the sw=ewer" or something. he should fuck off i really hate him right now.
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alex is a psychotic piece of crap. don't let him upset you. :( just ignore him, that's the last thing he wants people to do. he doesn't deserve attention.
you were her real friend, everyone knows that. everyone with any sense anyway. :hug:
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thanks. everyone but him seems to have worked that out anyway. everyones been good to me anyway,
im just fucked in th head right now, i keep gettting mad at stupid things. im either stupidly angry or crying in bed like a twat. im not cut out for this really, i guess its always been pretty clear im weak though lol
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i dunno what weak means. i think we are all cut out for things and not for others. i am really strong when it comes to certain things but if you do something to break my OCD rules i crumble. life is always unpredictable.
i don't think you are weak. i think people just have problems and they get lucky or not with what they have to help them deal with them.
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im bad at handling things when my ocd stuff gets fucked up as well. some days i end up having about 5 showers and go mad if things arent right in my room now or if something gets moved
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yeah i hate when things are moved. mom cleaned today and instead of feeling like it was clean i felt like everything was in chaos and weird. it wasn't bad though, but if she had touched my stuff i would have lost it.
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Hi Soph,
I am really sorry for what you are going through right now, I don't think I can begin to imagine what you are going through. I barely knew sophie yet reading about her suicide and whats she been through brought tears to my eyes. She was only 16 and had a whole life ahead of her.
I really don't know what else to say here, except I don;t really believe in the karma system here in at I2 but I'll send some your way anyway, you need all the support and love you can get even if it's superficial.
:hug:
Justin
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thanks
i know a lot of people never know what to say with stuff like this, i never do when it happenes to other people either, so i appreciate everythnig everyone has said on here or zomg or wherever. i even had one of the police people from where she leaved give me his number, i dunno why but it helps knowing people actually give a shit
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yeah i hate when things are moved. mom cleaned today and instead of feeling like it was clean i felt like everything was in chaos and weird. it wasn't bad though, but if she had touched my stuff i would have lost it.
when my mum cleans my room and i get back from uni it drives me mad. everything is in the wrong place or in the right place but not at the right angle or ridiculous things like that. sophie had ocd as well, i havent been diagnosed with it, but im pretty sure i do have it and sophie said that i do in her opinion. if it's not ocd, then im fucked in one way or another anyway :P
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you sound like you have OCD. pretty easy to recognize. it's been the most destructive and disabling thing in my life ever. i never needed a diagnosis, when i learned of it i was just so happy i wasn't the only one with it, i thought i was a freak for a long time, someone god hated the most for giving me this horrible disease. i thought god hated me most of all because i had it. now i know better of course. some amazing people have been OCD and it makes me feel like i'm not so terrible for having it.
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My shrink tried to lay that one on me.
I doubt it though.
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i think ive had it since i was 8, but its got really bad this year for some reason, especially over the summer. someone told me it can get more severe with stress though and ive had a pretty depressing fewe months so that couple be it. i understand how disabling it is though if thats is what ive got. it screws me up in so many ways.
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I just figure that what I have is executive dysfunction.
But, complex things really freak me out.
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i honestly don't know of anything as bad as OCD. it's what's fucked me up in so many ways... and yes, stress makes it worse. it's anxiety related, though even on valium i still obey the core OCD rules. lately it's been letting up a little, which feels great. it's been so stressful.
try to take it easy Soph.
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I'l sometimes walk into a convienient and have this intrusive thought of robbing the place, and I usually have to blink or making another weird facial movement to counteract it because that is not something I would ever do, it;s not my character, I;ve had to do it for other violent I won;t even mention. Is that a part of OCD?
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I just figure that what I have is executive dysfunction.
But, complex things really freak me out.
explain.
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I'l sometimes walk into a convienient and have this intrusive thought of robbing the place, and I usually have to blink or making another weird facial movement to counteract it because that is not something I would ever do, it;s not my character, I;ve had to do it for other violent I won;t even mention. Is that a part of OCD?
Often, I have similar thoughts. Just random things.
Like throwing my glasses off a bridge.
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I just figure that what I have is executive dysfunction.
But, complex things really freak me out.
explain.
Well, like making a phone call.
I have to sit and psych myself up
to it, for quite some time.
Really, a lot of things. Anything outside
of my routine is difficult for me. But, I
figured that it was all just AS.
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I'l sometimes walk into a convienient and have this intrusive thought of robbing the place, and I usually have to blink or making another weird facial movement to counteract it because that is not something I would ever do, it;s not my character, I;ve had to do it for other violent I won;t even mention. Is that a part of OCD?
it can be.
sometimes i get thoughts in my head that tell me to do something destructive, and if i don't come up with a countering OCD fast i have to do it. i usually have to do something that i'd rather not do to balance it. it's like my brain wants to make me miserable. like it wants to protect me from life's misery by creating misery before life can think of some other misery... misery that i create myself is easier to handle than surprises thrown at me... that kind of deal. also boredom, whenever i have time to think it starts to create these miseries for me, these things to do so i don't think of worse things... or something. fuck i hate how my brain works. i'm good at analogies because my brain is so good at thinking about something nice and then jumping to some horrid thought from that by way of analogy and association. it's why i can be good at art and bad at life.
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I get visions of hurting and killing people sometimes. They just pop into my head.
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i got diagnosed with dysexecutive syndrome when i got my AS diagnosis. im fucked if i know whtat that is but i think it mgiht be the same thing as executive dysfuntion. when i tried looking it up all i got was about being with brain damage :-\
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I get visions of hurting and killing people sometimes. They just pop into my head.
im having a few violent images in my head right now
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Bright yellow shoes shoved up someone's ass?
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i got diagnosed with dysexecutive syndrome when i got my AS diagnosis. im fucked if i know whtat that is but i think it mgiht be the same thing as executive dysfuntion. when i tried looking it up all i got was about being with brain damage :-\
i dunno what that is. ??? sounds like something i have. :P
im having a few violent images in my head right now
prolly about Alex. :P
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bright yellow shoes up the ass sounds like a good idea.
when i told someone i had dysexecutive syndrome once they thought it meant i was half male half female. but then anubis used to think i was a transexual :laugh:
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The penis gives you away. :laugh:
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Wow this is fucked
up.
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She was great but the world was so mean to her.
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I don't want to get into too much detail, but how did she do it?
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I don't want to get into too much detail, but how did she do it?
She tried to CO2 herself, but it didn't work so she hanged herself. It's terrible.
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I cried myself to sleep the night I found out she was gone. She shouldn't be gone. She deserved more than this.
Sopho didn't changr her. She was just the same person all along imo. And that's just from intuition and observation. Alex needs to be flung in the face with his own shit, he honestly doesn't see the world how it is.
I agree.
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boo hoo.
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boo hoo.
:finger:
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boo hoo.
:finger:
eat me. people who kill themselves are selfish fucking bastards. period.
this isn't romeo and juliet, for fuck's sakes. it is LIFE.
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boo hoo.
:finger:
eat me. people who kill themselves are selfish fucking bastards. period.
this isn't romeo and juliet, for fuck's sakes. it is LIFE.
:finger:
stupid bitch
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boo hoo.
:finger:
eat me. people who kill themselves are selfish fucking bastards. period.
this isn't romeo and juliet, for fuck's sakes. it is LIFE.
:finger:
stupid bitch
that is quite the arguement. I bow to your superiority.
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boo hoo.
:finger:
eat me. people who kill themselves are selfish fucking bastards. period.
this isn't romeo and juliet, for fuck's sakes. it is LIFE.
:finger:
stupid bitch
The only ones who are stupid are those who are so young yet kill themselves and leave behind mourning loved ones. Suicide is very selfish, I know just as much as anyone that fact. I feel 10 times more sorry for the people that are still alive dealing with the mess those two kids left behind. They couldn't bear to handle life and adversity any longer, so they took the easy way out and avoided future pain and anguish. There are people that are in exponentially worse situations that persevere and overcome. Suicide is never really an answer, just a big cop out.
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boo hoo.
:finger:
eat me. people who kill themselves are selfish fucking bastards. period.
this isn't romeo and juliet, for fuck's sakes. it is LIFE.
:finger:
stupid bitch
that is quite the arguement. I bow to your superiority.
Being a bit insensitive are we? Normally I usually think the same, but as far as I can see, Starbuline was far from a selfish person. Having your boyfriend die beforehand would never have a good effect on anybody.
I personally thought Starbuline was a decent person. We didn't talk much, but the times we did were quite pleasant. It's quite saddening to see someone like her die.
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She did nothing wrong. I wish she would have given people a chance to help her though. She was in too much pain to be responsible for what she did.
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I had a friend commit suicide when I was 17 and then tried it myself a couple of years ago. A single comment will never cover it, different circumstances for everyone.
I liked Starbuline, she really had me thinking she was from Russia! I will never forget that.
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Whatever you think of people who commit suicide is it really too much to ask that you keep your fucking mouth shut if you don't have anything nice to say to the people who cared for her and are grieving her death? Do you really feel that your need to exercise your free speech on this issue is reason enough to further upset the people who have lost someone they cared about? Is a little basic respect really too much to ask for?
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Who here think willow should kill herself say aye!
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I think Willow has a point though.
It's very hard on the people that love you. The thought of putting my family through that breaks my heart.
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shut up willow, ive only ever been nice to you, sophie liked you she used to say she liked your hair and stuff. yeah people leave people behind, but she didnt want that, she told me she didnt want to do it because she didnt want to leave me behind. she wrote in the suicide letters how sorry she was. she was 16 ffs, she was just a kid and she'd gone through more shit than anyone else even knows. its obvious people leave others behind when they do that, but why say something like that now in a thread about her? just leave it.
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actuakly fuck it, don't reply to that i dont want to get into this now.
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I think Willow has a point though.
It's very hard on the people that love you. The thought of putting my family through that breaks my heart.
Whether she has a point or not isn't the issue- the point is that those who are suffering with the loss right now probably don't need to hear their upset mocked with crap like 'boo hoo'. Why is it ok for her to mock their grieve?
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its not ok
i can put up with shit from alex now but starbuline actually liked you willow. she never once said anything bad about you and asked me to ask you to join the first zomg site. i accept people can have their opinions on this but mocking me and other people who love her is just low
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shut up willow, ive only ever been nice to you, sophie liked you she used to say she liked your hair and stuff. yeah people leave people behind, but she didnt want that, she told me she didnt want to do it because she didnt want to leave me behind. she wrote in the suicide letters how sorry she was. she was 16 ffs, she was just a kid and she'd gone through more shit than anyone else even knows. its obvious people leave others behind when they do that, but why say something like that now in a thread about her? just leave it.
I don't think that Willow means to disrespect Sophie, Soph.
From the point of view of someone who has lost loved ones who were struggling to hold onto their lives because they didn't want to hurt their loved ones they are leaving behind, it's very sad that someone can be in so much pain that they feel like they have no other choice. Life is such a precious gift that it seems like such a shame to waste it like that.
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Who here think willow should kill herself say aye!
aye
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shut up willow, ive only ever been nice to you, sophie liked you she used to say she liked your hair and stuff. yeah people leave people behind, but she didnt want that, she told me she didnt want to do it because she didnt want to leave me behind. she wrote in the suicide letters how sorry she was. she was 16 ffs, she was just a kid and she'd gone through more shit than anyone else even knows. its obvious people leave others behind when they do that, but why say something like that now in a thread about her? just leave it.
I don't think that Willow means to disrespect Sophie, Soph.
From the point of view of someone who has lost loved ones who were struggling to hold onto their lives because they didn't want to hurt their loved ones they are leaving behind, it's very sad that someone can be in so much pain that they feel like they have no other choice. Life is such a precious gift that it seems like such a shame to waste it like that.
yeah, that is true.
she knew she'd hurt people and that hurt her even more to know that and she tried for so long, shes been depressed for years and suicidal for ages, she stayed alive when she was in so much pain, BECAUSE she didn't want to hurt other people. she wasn't a selfish person, she was just hurting too much to carry on.
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The only ones who are stupid are those who are so young yet kill themselves and leave behind mourning loved ones. Suicide is very selfish, I know just as much as anyone that fact. I feel 10 times more sorry for the people that are still alive dealing with the mess those two kids left behind. They couldn't bear to handle life and adversity any longer, so they took the easy way out and avoided future pain and anguish. There are people that are in exponentially worse situations that persevere and overcome. Suicide is never really an answer, just a big cop out.
I was hoping to avoid all the vitriol out here, but
'twould seem that some just MUST reopen this
crap.
1. There is nothing stupid about it. You're going to have
to prove that point.
2. Selfish? This one was done out of love. :finger:
3. You do? Have you looked at what's on the other side?
Living with sorrow here is NOTHING like being dead.
4. Again, don't think this is the easy way. Star had a pretty
damned good clue what she would face, and did it anyhow.
It was an act of fucking courage.
5. What does situation have to do with this? You could put
me in a gulag, and I'd probably be happier (whatever the
fuck that means) than I am in my fairly comfortable life.
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its not ok
i can put up with shit from alex now but starbuline actually liked you willow. she never once said anything bad about you and asked me to ask you to join the first zomg site. i accept people can have their opinions on this but mocking me and other people who love her is just low
I think recent events in her own life may
have changed willow. She's not been what
she was.
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Who here think willow should kill herself say aye!
aye
OMGZ.....I think I shall...goodbye, cold, cruel evil world!!
<hangs self>
fuck off. everyone has a right to their opinion.
I never said people shouldn't feel sad...I said it was a fucking selfish act.
you can cry...and I can think it is a shitty thing to do.
funny thing, free speech.
(pssst...want a tissue?)
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I don't think that Willow means to disrespect Sophie, Soph.
She's got a damned funny way to show that, then.
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Whatever you think of people who commit suicide is it really too much to ask that you keep your fucking mouth shut if you don't have anything nice to say to the people who cared for her and are grieving her death? Do you really feel that your need to exercise your free speech on this issue is reason enough to further upset the people who have lost someone they cared about? Is a little basic respect really too much to ask for?
exactly.
i know you're dealing with your own stuff Willow but it's just low to come here and insult grieving people, that makes *you* acting selfishly. you're kicking people when they are down.
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When Willow is cynical, she's a horrible person. When I do it, it's comical.
Double-standards all round.
I've been thinking of calling out Alex Plank on YouTube for lying over this Starbuline business. Shall I, people?
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The only ones I can feel sorry for are the ones who are left behind.
Cal: 1. Stupid? Things can change and get better in your life. If you work hard to improve, so can the situation and circumstances around you. Suicide is giving up and not trying to change. Something great could be just around the corner if one is walking in the right direction.
2. Done out of love for some person she probably knew for less than a couple years. She left behind family members who knew her for her entire life. My parents would be in horrible shape if I succeeded in killing myself. To not think of what it would do to the people who still live, is selfish.
3. My life has been pretty fucked up before and I have contemplated suicide many times. The other side could actually be worse than what it is here. The pain and suffering of life can be appreciated after a while. If you are saying that you know what it is like to be dead, then you are full of shit.
4. Nobody really has a clue of what they will face when they die. The may claim otherwise, but that is up to faith which is basically delusion. People who kill themselves are missing out on the rest of their life, who knows what great things would have been in store if they just held on for a bit longer?
5. Situation has everything to do with it. My friend's father will have to eat out of a tube for the rest of his life, can't talk and is barely strong enough to even walk. If he can stay strong and live, then some spoiled ass teenagers sure as hell can. I would wager my father was raised in 10 times worse a situation and he survived and now thrives. They were just weak, and their end suits them in that regard.
Tired of being nice about this kind of shit. She wasted potential, just like many of stupid people do all the time. My cousin killed himself 8 years ago, and he wasted his potential as well. He was facing a 30 year prison sentence though, something these fucking kids have no clue about.
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she didn't nkow what potential she has. she thought it was all over for her. she couldn't get any of what she needed or wanted out of life. she was only just 16 and she'd already been through more shit than msot people ever have to go through. she wasn't thinking properly by the end. she was so consumed by everything she felt after michael had gone and because of her depression, that she didn't think in terms of what could happen, what potential she had. she wasn't thinking rationally. she was depressed - she couldn't see over the depression.
edit - fixed the age. my '6' key is dodgy. she wasnt only just 1, she was only jsut 16
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When Willow is cynical, she's a horrible person. When I do it, it's comical.
Double-standards all round.
I've been thinking of calling out Alex Plank on YouTube for lying over this Starbuline business. Shall I, people?
he's so full of shit. everything he said about her was complete bullshit.
his thread he started is sickening; he's using her to boost his reputation or get sympahty or popularity or whatever.
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I don't doubt she went through some serious shit (but she lived through it), then its too bad someone didn't get to talk her out of it in time. This happens far too often. I do rash things while I am depressed too. Too bad she didn't kill some people who really deserve to die when she took herself out.
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When Willow is cynical, she's a horrible person. When I do it, it's comical.
Double-standards all round.
Nah. You're pretty awful too.
I've been thinking of calling out Alex Plank on YouTube for lying over this Starbuline business. Shall I, people?
Have fun.
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I don't doubt she went through some serious shit (but she lived through it), then its too bad someone didn't get to talk her out of it in time. This happens far too often. I do rash things while I am depressed too. Too bad she didn't kill some people who really deserve to die when she took herself out.
there are too many bastards she should have took out insteead. she was desperate though. if she hadn't been then there's no way she would have done it that way, she always said she didn't want her family finding her like that when she saw pictures f people who'd hanged themselves. she's not a selfish person at all. her suicide notes were all full of apologies , she never wanted to hurt any of the people who loved her
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I had a friend commit suicide when I was 17 and then tried it myself a couple of years ago. A single comment will never cover it, different circumstances for everyone.
I liked Starbuline, she really had me thinking she was from Russia! I will never forget that.
She wasn't Russian?
Who here think willow should kill herself say aye!
aye
OMGZ.....I think I shall...goodbye, cold, cruel evil world!!
<hangs self>
fuck off. everyone has a right to their opinion.
I never said people shouldn't feel sad...I said it was a fucking selfish act.
you can cry...and I can think it is a shitty thing to do.
funny thing, free speech.
(pssst...want a tissue?)
You're right. You do have the right to say whatever you want and have your opinion. I also have the right to call you a bitch for saying all that.
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The only ones I can feel sorry for are the ones who are left behind.
Cal: 1. Stupid? Things can change and get better in your life. If you work hard to improve, so can the situation and circumstances around you. Suicide is giving up and not trying to change. Something great could be just around the corner if one is walking in the right direction.
You're considering this from your own reasons for suicide only.
Let's take Star's reasons: she wanted to be with Michael. How
the fuck else is she going to be with a dead person? Or, my
uncle: he killed himself to keep from being financially ruined,
and having his family suffer.
2. Done out of love for some person she probably knew for less than a couple years. She left behind family members who knew her for her entire life. My parents would be in horrible shape if I succeeded in killing myself. To not think of what it would do to the people who still live, is selfish.
To leave someone suffering alone in the afterlife may
be as well. It's all a matter of intentions. If her family is
like you, they'll get over it. ;)
3. My life has been pretty fucked up before and I have contemplated suicide many times. The other side could actually be worse than what it is here. The pain and suffering of life can be appreciated after a while. If you are saying that you know what it is like to be dead, then you are full of shit.
I don't know what it's like to be alive then either. Perceptions
are all that we have. I'm fairly convinced that I've peeked over.
A bit more (but not entirely by any mind), that there is some
truth to the 'reality' that we experience in our daily lives. I do
have to crap though.
4. Nobody really has a clue of what they will face when they die. The may claim otherwise, but that is up to faith which is basically delusion. People who kill themselves are missing out on the rest of their life, who knows what great things would have been in store if they just held on for a bit longer?
ALL of our perceptions are faith. What I've seen
I've seen. And I trust them with the same essential
type of trust (though slightly weaker) as I do the cars
I see on the road.
5. Situation has everything to do with it. My friend's father will have to eat out of a tube for the rest of his life, can't talk and is barely strong enough to even walk. If he can stay strong and live, then some spoiled ass teenagers sure as hell can. I would wager my father was raised in 10 times worse a situation and he survived and now thrives. They were just weak, and their end suits them in that regard.
Since you seem devoted to the whole suffering
issue, I'll address it here. WHY should one person
suffer some small horror, just because someone else
is foolish enough to choose a greater one? Though,
frankly, I think this is exactly where she was foolish.
But, I'm helping her as much as I can.
Tired of being nice about this kind of shit. She wasted potential, just like many of stupid people do all the time. My cousin killed himself 8 years ago, and he wasted his potential as well. He was facing a 30 year prison sentence though, something these fucking kids have no clue about.
Again, this is all on your limited (as are everyone's) perceptions.
Be open that others see other things - delusions or not.
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I had a friend commit suicide when I was 17 and then tried it myself a couple of years ago. A single comment will never cover it, different circumstances for everyone.
I liked Starbuline, she really had me thinking she was from Russia! I will never forget that.
She wasn't Russian?
her dad was russian, but she grew up mostly in america. she lived in denmark when she was a kid though for a while.
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I don't doubt she went through some serious shit (but she lived through it), then its too bad someone didn't get to talk her out of it in time. This happens far too often. I do rash things while I am depressed too. Too bad she didn't kill some people who really deserve to die when she took herself out.
We tried. Trust me, I used things that I wouldn't have,
for someone I didn't love. It hurts like hell that she's gone.
But, I honor her decision, just as she honored Michael's.
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When Willow is cynical, she's a horrible person. When I do it, it's comical.
Double-standards all round.
I've been thinking of calling out Alex Plank on YouTube for lying over this Starbuline business. Shall I, people?
Actually peaguy its all about context- something which may be funny when not applied to someone in particular or when things aren't so raw for people is just callous when you do it in a thread where the people posting include those who are grieving.
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Have fun.
I'll only do it if I have Soph's blessing. I'm not friends with her, sure, but I don't like it when people use others to garner attention and sympathy for themselves. It's disgusting.
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:plus:
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Have fun.
I'll only do it if I have Soph's blessing. I'm not friends with her, sure, but I don't like when people use others to garner attention and sympathy for themselves. It's disgusting.
thanks
it's fine with me if you want to. what he said was revolting.
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Have fun.
I'll only do it if I have Soph's blessing. I'm not friends with her, sure, but I don't like when people use others to garner attention and sympathy for themselves. It's disgusting.
thanks
it's fine with me if you want to. what he said was revolting.
Alright. Please PM some material regarding Alex and I'll see what I can do.
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Have fun.
I'll only do it if I have Soph's blessing. I'm not friends with her, sure, but I don't like when people use others to garner attention and sympathy for themselves. It's disgusting.
thanks
it's fine with me if you want to. what he said was revolting.
Alright. Please PM some material regarding Alex and I'll see what I can do.
P, why dont you finish with Planky boys contact details, so people have somewhere to send there complaints when he refuses to respond.... :evillaugh:
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Have fun.
I'll only do it if I have Soph's blessing. I'm not friends with her, sure, but I don't like when people use others to garner attention and sympathy for themselves. It's disgusting.
thanks
it's fine with me if you want to. what he said was revolting.
Alright. Please PM some material regarding Alex and I'll see what I can do.
P, why dont you finish with Planky boys contact details, so people have somewhere to send there complaints when he refuses to respond.... :evillaugh:
Tell me what they are in private and I will.
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Have fun.
I'll only do it if I have Soph's blessing. I'm not friends with her, sure, but I don't like when people use others to garner attention and sympathy for themselves. It's disgusting.
thanks
it's fine with me if you want to. what he said was revolting.
Alright. Please PM some material regarding Alex and I'll see what I can do.
ok, what kind of thing can i send?
i have quotes from chatlogs that prove it wasnt me making her do anything - she wanted to flame wp, she wanted us to join here etc. so i can quote what she's said to back up anything i've said myself, and i've seen what he's said about me in PMs as well
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Have fun.
I'll only do it if I have Soph's blessing. I'm not friends with her, sure, but I don't like when people use others to garner attention and sympathy for themselves. It's disgusting.
thanks
it's fine with me if you want to. what he said was revolting.
Alright. Please PM some material regarding Alex and I'll see what I can do.
ok, what kind of thing can i send?
i have quotes from chatlogs that prove it wasnt me making her do anything - she wanted to flame wp, she wanted us to join here etc. so i can quote what she's said to back up anything i've said myself, and i've seen what he's said about me in PMs as well
Actually, would you send them all to me on MSN, please? Be much easier.
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i can only get on web messenger atm because IE is fucked and i cant be arsed trying to fix it anymore. so i cant send files, but i can copy and paste stuff or email
sopho_soph@hotmail.co.uk if you want
actually i screencapped some of them out of my chatlogs yesterxday and posted it on zomg, i could just send that and then see if i need to copy anything else?
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Send whatever you can to me at thepeaguy@gmail.com.
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I think Willow has a point though.
It's very hard on the people that love you. The thought of putting my family through that breaks my heart.
Whether she has a point or not isn't the issue- the point is that those who are suffering with the loss right now probably don't need to hear their upset mocked with crap like 'boo hoo'. Why is it ok for her to mock their grieve?
I didn't come here to start an argument with you. I'm not condoning what she said at all. Just the point behind it.
To leave someone suffering alone in the afterlife may
be as well. It's all a matter of intentions. If her family is
like you, they'll get over it.
Thats the stupidest thing i've ever heard in my life. It makes me sick that you think they'll get over it. Also My opinion of the afterlife differs to yours, I believe that all the superficial outer layers are shed when the soul leaves it's body. It is Energy and it is pure. People don't feel emotions after they die.
Of course, it's just a matter of opinion and belief. Thats why I think your post sounded lame. It may not to others. But people just don't get over it. A special person dying isn't getting flamed by some loser on an internet forum or liking some boy that isn't interested. It's so much more. They learn to live with it.
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yes they learn to live with it. but posting crap insulting the person we have lost is not fucking cool. get that? just leave it. you can be mad at the dead person but kicking people who are left behind and grieving is not helping. FFS.
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Send whatever you can to me at thepeaguy@gmail.com.
just sent a couple more things
one of them mentions something bad alex said about a couple of people on here though, one of whom might be hurt by it though, so you might want to edit it down it if you post it or anything, i dont know. shows better what she did think of him though, and she usually brought it up herself, so it wasn't that i poisoned her against him or anything, when we first met i still thought he was a decent guy because i hadn't been on wp long and had no reason to think otherwise yet. so if he tried pulling that shit, i can find quotes i made and even posted on wp probably that will prove i had nothing against him back then
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and as for sophie and the people left behind, everyone who loves her knows the pain she was in and understands why she has done it. i've spoken to her sister one of her teachers and peopple who knew her family and yeah they will never get over it, but they understand why. she was a kid and she was suffering things that no one should suffer that young. she's not in pain anymore and that is why she did it. people respect and understand that, however much it hurts us not to be with her anymore
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Thats the stupidest thing i've ever heard in my life. It makes me sick that you think they'll get over it. Also My opinion of the afterlife differs to yours, I believe that all the superficial outer layers are shed when the soul leaves it's body. It is Energy and it is pure. People don't feel emotions after they die.
Of course, it's just a matter of opinion and belief. Thats why I think your post sounded lame. It may not to others. But people just don't get over it. A special person dying isn't getting flamed by some loser on an internet forum or liking some boy that isn't interested. It's so much more. They learn to live with it.
HER opinion is what matters,
since we're trying to fathom
whether her intentions were
selfish or not.
Anyhow, the point that I was making
was that the person I was responding to
was claiming that whatever was wrong,
SHE'D get over it. Well, if that's the case,
then her family would as well. Those that
I've lost, I've never gotten over. So, if they
think as he does, they would indeed. I'm in no
way implying that her family are also cold hearted
bastards.
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Uploaded the video. Give it five to ten minutes.
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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IlK9g2i2Bsg
Post it on WP. Now.
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:plus: pea.
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:plus:
cheers for that
i want to see him squirm
he knows damn well what hes doing is bullshit, i can pass off what he says about me, but using sophie to boost his own popularity/sympathy/reputation/whatever the fuck it is, is just sickening and he should be ashamed
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is it on wp yet?
i'd post it on the zomg homepage but some people who knew sophie's family etc go on there so i dont want to drag them into this if i can help it
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is it on wp yet?
i'd post it on the zomg homepage but some people who knew sophie's family etc go on there so i dont want to drag them into this if i can help it
It's posted on the general autism discussion. No responses so far. Maybe I should change that.
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yeah fodderstompf just put it up there, at least because its a few minutes long, a lot of people will click on it before whoever inevitably deletes it gets through the whole video
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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IlK9g2i2Bsg
Post it on WP. Now.
Excellent P. Can you enable the comments, it would finish him off.
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Yeah, comments would be good.
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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IlK9g2i2Bsg
Post it on WP. Now.
Excellent P. Can you enable the comments, it would finish him off.
I don't really care for text comments, but I'll make an exception this time.
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Thread's been killed. It should go up again though,
when no one's on.
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It's already been deleted! :o Alex sure is serious about not having anyone criticize him. :wanker:
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It's already been deleted! :o Alex sure is serious about not having anyone criticize him. :wanker:
And there you have your proof.
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its because he knows its true
and we have screencaps from star to prove it
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Banned Fodderstomp too.
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Someone get on WP chat and help me redirect the conversation in there.
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will do
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Banned Fodderstomp too.
Didn't ban me, luckily.
On Starbuline's tribute I saw this post. I didn't know Starbuline all that well, but I still knew her as well as I knew anyone else on WP and I'm very sad to hear that she's gone. I think I knew her well enough to know that she would be disgusted to see this.
lucy1
Tufted Titmouse
Joined: Aug 17, 2007
Posts: 29
Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:57 am Post subject:
I read somewhere on the net - where starbuline stated she loved Wrongplanet. I can't find this message now.
But Alex - you provided a place where Starbuline was able to feel safe and happy.
Well done to you!!!!!!!!!!!
Either alex has a sockpuppet, or his propaganda is working on some of the newer members.
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Banned Fodderstomp too.
Didn't ban me, luckily.
On Starbuline's tribute I saw this post. I didn't know Starbuline all that well, but I still knew her as well as I knew anyone else on WP and I'm very sad to hear that she's gone. I think I knew her well enough to know that she would be disgusted to see this.
lucy1
Tufted Titmouse
Joined: Aug 17, 2007
Posts: 29
Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:57 am Post subject:
I read somewhere on the net - where starbuline stated she loved Wrongplanet. I can't find this message now.
But Alex - you provided a place where Starbuline was able to feel safe and happy.
Well done to you!!!!!!!!!!!
Either alex has a sockpuppet, or his propaganda is working on some of the newer members.
yeah i jsut saw that m, stupid fucking bitch. who the fuck is she to say that? she only joined in august ffs!
im just going to repeat what i said on zomg,
because she doesnt know what the fuck shes talknig about if it is. to hell with her. yeah, sophie USED to like wp, im not denying that. im fucking glad she had it from sept06-may07
but after that it all fell to shit and alex did NOTHING for her
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What crap.
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What crap.
Chat is heating up, people are watching the video.
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I'll give it another shot, but
I really hate chat there.
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i think i should stay away for now, but i'll go on if there needs to be m0ore
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i think i should stay away for now, but i'll go on if there needs to be m0ore
I will keep the convo going until i get banned
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who does the banning in the chatroom?
i remember being calandales guineapig in there ages ago, so i thought mods couldnt, but alex is probably still on
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who does the banning in the chatroom?
i remember being calandales guineapig in there ages ago, so i thought mods couldnt, but alex is probably still on
I forgot that was you. :laugh:
yeah, there are OPs there, but the mods can't.
And the OPs have their own little world. I don't
think Alex deals much with them.
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who does the banning in the chatroom?
i remember being calandales guineapig in there ages ago, so i thought mods couldnt, but alex is probably still on
You only get kicked on there. I got kicked for changing myscreen name to alexplankisghey
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Fucking Alex Wank. I never liked the prick, and what he's doing now is basically taking the piss.
Let's make him learn the hard way. ;D
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Thats the stupidest thing i've ever heard in my life. It makes me sick that you think they'll get over it. Also My opinion of the afterlife differs to yours, I believe that all the superficial outer layers are shed when the soul leaves it's body. It is Energy and it is pure. People don't feel emotions after they die.
Of course, it's just a matter of opinion and belief. Thats why I think your post sounded lame. It may not to others. But people just don't get over it. A special person dying isn't getting flamed by some loser on an internet forum or liking some boy that isn't interested. It's so much more. They learn to live with it.
HER opinion is what matters,
since we're trying to fathom
whether her intentions were
selfish or not.
Anyhow, the point that I was making
was that the person I was responding to
was claiming that whatever was wrong,
SHE'D get over it. Well, if that's the case,
then her family would as well. Those that
I've lost, I've never gotten over. So, if they
think as he does, they would indeed. I'm in no
way implying that her family are also cold hearted
bastards.
I don't think what she did was selfish at all. You'd have to be in a terrible state to commit suicide. To actually kill yourself that way proves how awful life must have been, if that was better.
What you said just seemed stupid to me. It probbaly isn't, don't worry about it.
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she was in a lot of pain. she only stayed alive for weeks because of her family and me, and she managed it for a hell of a lot longer than most people would be able to. she tried for ages but she just couldnt do it anymore
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she was in a lot of pain. she only stayed alive for weeks because of her family and me, and she managed it for a hell of a lot longer than most people would be able to. she tried for ages but she just couldnt do it anymore
I do understand where she's coming from, I've been suicidal in the past. I just want you to know that in no way was I critisising what Sophie did. The point I was expressing was not meant to be critisising her.
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she was in a lot of pain. she only stayed alive for weeks because of her family and me, and she managed it for a hell of a lot longer than most people would be able to. she tried for ages but she just couldnt do it anymore
I do understand where she's coming from, I've been suicidal in the past. I just want you to know that in no way was I critisising what Sophie did. The point I was expressing was not meant to be critisising her.
yeah i know that
ims orry if i said anything bad to you or anyone else who was being nice (i dont want to read through to check if i have because i'll just embararass myself probablly lol). ive said some pretty bad things to people the last few days but i dont mean it if i have, apart from alex, i mean everything i say to him.
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she was in a lot of pain. she only stayed alive for weeks because of her family and me, and she managed it for a hell of a lot longer than most people would be able to. she tried for ages but she just couldnt do it anymore
I do understand where she's coming from, I've been suicidal in the past. I just want you to know that in no way was I critisising what Sophie did. The point I was expressing was not meant to be critisising her.
yeah i know that
ims orry if i said anything bad to you or anyone else who was being nice (i dont want to read through to check if i have because i'll just embararass myself probablly lol). ive said some pretty bad things to people the last few days but i dont mean it if i have, apart from alex, i mean everything i say to him.
I've never really been friends with the two of you and i've been intollerant of your behaviour in the past, but this has really affected me. (Not as much as a lot of people, but enough to make me try and reach out) If you want to talk to anyone, you can add me to MSN.
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she was in a lot of pain. she only stayed alive for weeks because of her family and me, and she managed it for a hell of a lot longer than most people would be able to. she tried for ages but she just couldnt do it anymore
I do understand where she's coming from, I've been suicidal in the past. I just want you to know that in no way was I critisising what Sophie did. The point I was expressing was not meant to be critisising her.
yeah i know that
ims orry if i said anything bad to you or anyone else who was being nice (i dont want to read through to check if i have because i'll just embararass myself probablly lol). ive said some pretty bad things to people the last few days but i dont mean it if i have, apart from alex, i mean everything i say to him.
I've never really been friends with the two of you and i've been intollerant of your behaviour in the past, but this has really affected me. (Not as much as a lot of people, but enough to make me try and reach out) If you want to talk to anyone, you can add me to MSN.
thanks
i know we pissed off a lot of people before so i understan that 8)
ive only been on msn once since this happened and thtat was just to try and get someones email. i dont think ill be going on there again now, 95% of the time i spent talking on there was with sophie so i think it would hurt too much, and also its broken anyway and web messenger gets annoying.
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I was just looking in the tribute thread and found this:
I read somewhere on the net - where starbuline stated she loved Wrongplanet. I can't find this message now.
But Alex - you provided a place where Starbuline was able to feel safe and happy.
Well done to you!!!!!!!!!!!
i think this may be what you're talking about:
I am obsessed with Russia. That's why I say I am from Russia. I'm also obsessed with Wrong Planet, and a few members on there.
I mean it's an obvious lie Starbuline wouldn't have spammed WP if she loved it. He's using old quotes to make the site look better. It's kinda insulting advertising something she didn't even think anymore.
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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IlK9g2i2Bsg
Post it on WP. Now.
Nice.
I spammed it around the place this morning.
Hope you don't mind. Cool T-Shirt too.
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I miss her :(
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:hug:
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Yeah. She would have loved all this ass fairy shit. :-\
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i miss her too
i wish i was in california
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"Sylvia Plath is an interesting poetress whose tragic suicide was misinterpreted as romantic, by the college girl mentality"
-- Woody Allen in "Annie Hall"
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poor girl :-[
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she is safe now at least. and not hurting anymore.
i just wish i had gone there when i had that chance
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she is safe now at least. and not hurting anymore.
i just wish i had gone there when i had that chance
I wouldn't be hard on yourself for not dying too. It will be very hard for you with that feeling of guilt. I don't know how spiritual you are, but she is probably in great peace. I would babble on about my spiritual beliefs but it probably won't make anyone feel easier about this. The rest of us just need to support each other, and you've got our support if you feel you need it. :hug:
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thanks :)
everyone's been really supportive this week. they've even put up with my random outbursts and constant threads about her. i've been able to speak to her family as well which helped a lot. i don't believe in anything spiritual really, although i hope there is something. i know if there is though then she is in a good place
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How is her family dealing with everything?
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ive emailed her sister and one of her brothers quite a bit, the service is on friday. i know theyre coping, but i dont know how her parents are right not. her mom gave me her name so i can send my letter to her and i know they had a few problems with what was written in the news article and elsewhere, rumours and stuff, but that seems to be cleared up now. her sister says it helped talking to me so i think shes doing ok, as ok as can be expected i mean. i hope her parents are alright, i havent spoken to them directly yet.
i still dont know what i want my bit to be at the service. i dont know how to sum it all up in just a few lines.
maybe if i take some of what i said in my thread about her or on the zomg homepage and just put it into something short?
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the thing that worries me about her family is that theyll see some of the bad things from wp on zomg, like the alex shit. im trying to keep it out of where they will be looking, but it still is a concern.
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the thing that worries me about her family is that theyll see some of the bad things from wp on zomg, like the alex shit. im trying to keep it out of where they will be looking, but it still is a concern.
Yeah, that would make anyone uneasy. I'm sure they won't judge from it though, I mean the internet is where shit goes down. If it was up to me I would probably move stuff that she wouldn't want them to see out of respect. But asking that of Alex is probably too much.
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Most of the stuff actually on WP
probably won't hurt them. Gwen
(at least) is doing a job to keep that
respectful.
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yeah i know a couple of people PMed him , ive seen the replies, he just blamed me for her getting suicidal and claimed he was the one she looked up to and all this self righteous bullshit that knocks me sick. having a special forum for her on zomg helps i think, because anyone who knows her irl is likely to mainly look in there, so i can keep anything about alex out of there.
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Though, we couldn't keep bathing practices out. :P
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boo hoo.
:finger:
eat me. people who kill themselves are selfish fucking bastards. period.
this isn't romeo and juliet, for fuck's sakes. it is LIFE.
shut up you stupid fucking cunt. she was only 16 & i doubt she was in a right frame of mind. how old you? with that fucking fruity hair of yours, middle aged fuckin teenager yourself probably.
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Cut Willow some slack. She's going through some shit of her own right now.
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i cut her some slack by not ripping her head out for what she was saying because i know she has problems. but those problems are no excuse for coming to a thread dedicated to someone who just died and the people mourning her and saying all that bullshit. it's no excuse. if she's as tough as she says she is, she should be able to have some self restraint and show some respect for people in pain, other than her. it's not just her that's hurting in this world.
that said, i don't think we should be bashing willow for what she said some pages ago cuz then it'll just perpetuate the whole crap and cause another fight. none of us needs that.
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Especially since she seems to be gone from here.
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im not cutting anyone slack. first of all i'm shure we have all been through hell. not just willow
second. this thread was to remember someone, when you come in a thread and act like an ass guess what?
you get the same treatment.
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if you wanna fight take it elsewhere. that was my point. this thread is about remembering someone, it's not about petty fights.
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i just rwrote a few lines for the service. i dont know why its so hard just to right a few lineds when ive written loads for her this week already
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i just rwrote a few lines for the service. i dont know why its so hard just to right a few lineds when ive written loads for her this week already
Probably because you want this to be perfect. Try not to stress too much about it its the feeling behind it that really matters.
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yeah, i think she would like it however it is. i managed to get in what i wanted i think. i doubt i'd be 100% happy with it however it was.
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if you wanna fight take it elsewhere.
i am not fighting, but saying the truth
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yeah, i think she would like it however it is.
exactly. if it was the other way around and she had written something for you, you wouldn't care about "perfection," you'd just care it came from her, right? :) whatever you say will be just perfect. it's what you intend to say, it's how you feel that matters.
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... but she would have said the same thing no matter what, anyway.
Perhaps not in quite the same manner.
We don't know.
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:( aww I was very angry at the way she treated me on the zomg forum (I was a noob on there so yeah) but that does'nt mean I hate her.
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I don't think anyone was particularly
mean to you there, BH.
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Holy shit, she killed herself? That's a fucking tragedy. :-\
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i miss her
i will dedicate my 666th post to her
she won't be here for flo's birthday
i want to give her a hug :(
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i hear they come around in light bubbles. to visit.
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i want sophie to come and visit
it's her daughter-in-law's birthday on thursday and schmoo wanted a clown
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you could try taking bubble pictures. i knew someone once who took pictures with bubbles, she always had bubbles in her pictures and it was not a dirty lens. :P
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i take lots of pictures now. i will take pictures of bubles when i see them. i just take pictures of leaves and trees now. i need to go to some interesting places.
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the bubbles only show up in pictures, other than that they are invisible.