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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: duncvis on July 19, 2007, 03:20:43 AM
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Fundie retards get what was coming to them:
THREE men were each sentenced to six years in jail yesterday for soliciting murder during a demonstration against an anti-Islamic cartoon.
Mizanur Rahman, 24, Umran Javed, 27, and Abdul Muhid, 25, were convicted during separate Old Bailey trials.
Judge Brian Barker, the Common Serjeant of London, said that their words had been designed to encourage murder and terrorism.
Abdul Saleem, 32, was cleared of soliciting murder at his trial, but convicted of inciting race hate. He was jailed for four years.
They were arrested after 300 protesters marched to the Danish embassy in central London in February last year.
The police made video recordings of speeches and slogans during the demonstration against a controversial cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad, which was first published in Denmark.
Rahman called for soldiers to be brought back from Iraq in body-bags. Muhid led a crowd in chanting "Bomb, bomb the UK".
http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=1122532007
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yay! :clap:
tossers. :grrr:
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How long did it take to convict them. If the BNP had done a similar thing i reckon the response would have been slightly different...
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How long did it take to convict them.
No idea. Google is your friend.
If the BNP had done a similar thing i reckon the response would have been slightly different...
In what respect?
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How long did it take to convict them.
No idea. Google is your friend.
If the BNP had done a similar thing i reckon the response would have been slightly different...
In what respect?
As in the police would have arrested almost everyone there on the spot. Maybe the army would have been even sent. Seriously Muslims get away with so much, why cant they fucking assimulate rather than just merely be made to pretend to integrate. It isnt like we Aspies are not expected to assimulate every fucking NT monkey gesture, and most of us Aspies were born here, FFS! Sorry just needed to vent...
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Sadly, I don't share your conviction that the police/army would have arrested everyone on the spot, any more than they did with these wankers.
The answer obviously is PC. Hate is hate, regardless of skin colour, and it DOES irritate the piss out of me to see authorities pandering to the religious sensibilities of one group. This should rightly be a secular country, and fuck christians AND muslims who can't seperate their right to peacefullly practice their own beliefs without insisting others adhere to their cultural code. Having said which, I live in a heavily muslim area, and most of em live and let live like most indigenous brits do. its the gobshite minority that cause all the bother.
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Sadly, I don't share your conviction that the police/army would have arrested everyone on the spot, any more than they did with these wankers.
The answer obviously is PC. Hate is hate, regardless of skin colour, and it DOES irritate the piss out of me to see authorities pandering to the religious sensibilities of one group. This should rightly be a secular country, and fuck christians AND muslims who can't seperate their right to peacefullly practice their own beliefs without insisting others adhere to their cultural code. Having said which, I live in a heavily muslim area, and most of em live and let live like most indigenous brits do. its the gobshite minority that cause all the bother.
Oh dont get me wrong there are some very nice muslims, there are just a very significant minority (at least 25%) who want to shit on us and make us live under Sharia. On the army thing, you at least agree that most people there will be arrested if the BNP try half the muslims stunt. The other thing is that the cops should have made every veiled muslim remove them, any that didnt they could have nicked them straight off for removing masks, makes it nice and easy to nick them and charge them...
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[there are just a very significant minority (at least 25%) who want to shit on us and make us live under Sharia.
where did this come from?
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[there are just a very significant minority (at least 25%) who want to shit on us and make us live under Sharia.
where did this come from?
Dispatches last summer, actually its 50% that want to live under sharia, but i bet half of them dont realise the implications...
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The other thing is that the cops should have made every veiled muslim remove them, any that didnt they could have nicked them straight off for removing masks, makes it nice and easy to nick them and charge them...
So you don't think that a Muslim woman should be allowed to practice her religion in public? Isn't a woman wearing a veil in public a sort of requirement of their religion?
I don't think Muslims or any other group should come into a country that is tolerant of them and then abuse their host's hospitality and tolerance by changing it into a country that is intolerant of its original citizens by adopting Sharia law, but forbidding them the right to practice their own religion goes too far.
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The other thing is that the cops should have made every veiled muslim remove them, any that didnt they could have nicked them straight off for removing masks, makes it nice and easy to nick them and charge them...
So you don't think that a Muslim woman should be allowed to practice her religion in public? Isn't a woman wearing a veil in public a sort of requirement of their religion?
I don't think Muslims or any other group should come into a country that is tolerant of them and then abuse their host's hospitality and tolerance by changing it into a country that is intolerant of its original citizens by adopting Sharia law, but forbidding them the right to practice their own religion goes too far.
No, if you were in the UK and knew about the protest you would understand why everyone is pissed at them. As for the veil, its nothing to do with the religion, and there is no reference whatsoever to it in the Koran. Dressing up as a cross between a Klansmen and something out of batcave is simply designed to stir up trouble, nothing else. The real reason for the veil that is stated relates to Arab deserts from what I remember, I must have missed them in all these years I have been in the UK!
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The other thing is that the cops should have made every veiled muslim remove them, any that didnt they could have nicked them straight off for removing masks, makes it nice and easy to nick them and charge them...
So you don't think that a Muslim woman should be allowed to practice her religion in public? Isn't a woman wearing a veil in public a sort of requirement of their religion?
I don't think Muslims or any other group should come into a country that is tolerant of them and then abuse their host's hospitality and tolerance by changing it into a country that is intolerant of its original citizens by adopting Sharia law, but forbidding them the right to practice their own religion goes too far.
No, if you were in the UK and knew about the protest you would understand why everyone is pissed at them. As for the veil, its nothing to do with the religion, and there is no reference whatsoever to it in the Koran. Dressing up as a cross between a Klansmen and something out of batcave is simply designed to stir up trouble, nothing else. The real reason for the veil that is stated relates to Arab deserts from what I remember, I must have missed them in all these years I have been in the UK!
I'm not from the UK, but I do know that some Muslim women wear veils as part of their religion. I think that they should be free to practice their religion except when it infringes on other people's rights, like for example driver's license photos.
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The other thing is that the cops should have made every veiled muslim remove them, any that didnt they could have nicked them straight off for removing masks, makes it nice and easy to nick them and charge them...
So you don't think that a Muslim woman should be allowed to practice her religion in public? Isn't a woman wearing a veil in public a sort of requirement of their religion?
I don't think Muslims or any other group should come into a country that is tolerant of them and then abuse their host's hospitality and tolerance by changing it into a country that is intolerant of its original citizens by adopting Sharia law, but forbidding them the right to practice their own religion goes too far.
No, if you were in the UK and knew about the protest you would understand why everyone is pissed at them. As for the veil, its nothing to do with the religion, and there is no reference whatsoever to it in the Koran. Dressing up as a cross between a Klansmen and something out of batcave is simply designed to stir up trouble, nothing else. The real reason for the veil that is stated relates to Arab deserts from what I remember, I must have missed them in all these years I have been in the UK!
I'm not from the UK, but I do know that some Muslim women wear veils as part of their religion. I think that they should be free to practice their religion except when it infringes on other people's rights, like for example driver's license photos.
The veil is not part of Islam, regardless what certain "Muslims" say. It is a part of arab culture, which if they love it so much why live in Britain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burqa If you look at that, you will see it was created by an Afghani guy...
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I live in a heavily muslim area, and most of em live and let live like most indigenous brits do. its the gobshite minority that cause all the bother.
Yeah. People are people.
Most are concerned with the
things which intimately effect
their life, and not bothering with
ANYTHING else.
But, the vocal minorities are important.
They are good indications of the direction
in which things will go, if no positive changes
are implemented.
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The veil is not part of Islam, regardless what certain "Muslims" say. It is a part of arab culture, which if they love it so much why live in Britain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burqa If you look at that, you will see it was created by an Afghani guy...
This is like arguing that the Pope is not part of
Christianity. For those who do hold differently,
their beliefs should not be infringed upon, EVEN
though you can find no justification within their
holy texts. Sharia law is fundamentally religious
in nature.
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The veil is not part of Islam, regardless what certain "Muslims" say. It is a part of arab culture, which if they love it so much why live in Britain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burqa If you look at that, you will see it was created by an Afghani guy...
This is like arguing that the Pope is not part of
Christianity. For those who do hold differently,
their beliefs should not be infringed upon, EVEN
though you can find no justification within their
holy texts. Sharia law is fundamentally religious
in nature.
Erm, so if i have some weird interpretaion of a religion, and then apply it, does that mean its acceptable because its called a religion? Personally, just because someone has written some bullshit, doesnt mean that the people who follow it should get special attention. We have got to the point that muslims have a different set of rules to everyone else because they whine louder...
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Erm, so if i have some weird interpretaion of a religion, and then apply it, does that mean its acceptable because its called a religion? Personally, just because someone has written some bullshit, doesnt mean that the people who follow it should get special attention. We have got to the point that muslims have a different set of rules to everyone else because they whine louder...
Yes and no. I get special treatment due to
my faith, which is pretty crackpot, and AFAIK
no one else believes it. But, I doubt that I could
push it to, say, make people accept that I HAD to
wear a ski mask everywhere.
On the other hand, there are a goodly number of
followers of Sharia law, and like any reasonably large
religious sect, it would be due more respect - as long
as it's practices aren't too outrageous. Wearing a veil
seems reasonable.
Of course, I don't live in a country for which the
monarch is also the religious leader, so it may well
be different where you are. I wouldn't expect the
same freedoms in Saudi Arabia, or the Vatican, that
I do here, so I don't see why I should in the UK.
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Erm, so if i have some weird interpretaion of a religion, and then apply it, does that mean its acceptable because its called a religion? Personally, just because someone has written some bullshit, doesnt mean that the people who follow it should get special attention. We have got to the point that muslims have a different set of rules to everyone else because they whine louder...
Yes and no. I get special treatment due to
my faith, which is pretty crackpot, and AFAIK
no one else believes it. But, I doubt that I could
push it to, say, make people accept that I HAD to
wear a ski mask everywhere.
On the other hand, there are a goodly number of
followers of Sharia law, and like any reasonably large
religious sect, it would be due more respect - as long
as it's practices aren't too outrageous. Wearing a veil
seems reasonable.
Of course, I don't live in a country for which the
monarch is also the religious leader, so it may well
be different where you are. I wouldn't expect the
same freedoms in Saudi Arabia, or the Vatican, that
I do here, so I don't see why I should in the UK.
If you decided to wear a ski mask/ balaclava everywhere then the police would stop you every 10 minutes over here (someone tried it as a protest), where as the muslims just get away with everything because they believe total bull. Personally i cant see why the sharia loving ones cant live in the wonderful Saudi Arabia...
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Personally i cant see why the sharia loving ones cant live in the wonderful Saudi Arabia...
It's too hot to wear such outfits? :laugh:
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Personally i cant see why the sharia loving ones cant live in the wonderful Saudi Arabia...
It's too hot to wear such outfits? :laugh:
You find them hot did you say Calandale?
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Personally i cant see why the sharia loving ones cant live in the wonderful Saudi Arabia...
It's too hot to wear such outfits? :laugh:
It is very hot there.
My sister-in-law's cousin married a Muslim man, so she converted to Islam and when they went to Saudi Arabia she had to wear the veil. I think it is called a hijab. The woman has to wear it there whenever she goes out in public to show respect for her husband and her father-in-law, because they would be shamed if she didn't.
She was just miserable in the heat. They could go to the beach for some relief from it. Even though she could not really get into the water, her seven children could.
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Personally i cant see why the sharia loving ones cant live in the wonderful Saudi Arabia...
It's too hot to wear such outfits? :laugh:
It is very hot there.
My sister-in-law's cousin married a Muslim man, so she converted to Islam and when they went to Saudi Arabia she had to wear the veil. I think it is called a hijab. The woman has to wear it there whenever she goes out in public to show respect for her husband and her father-in-law, because they would be shamed if she didn't.
She was just miserable in the heat. They could go to the beach for some relief from it. Even though she could not really get into the water, her seven children could.
The head scarf is the hijab. The veil is either the niqub or the burka i think. Seriously though why would she want to live anywhere like saudi arabia... way too hot and barbaric a place from what I can see.
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Personally i cant see why the sharia loving ones cant live in the wonderful Saudi Arabia...
It's too hot to wear such outfits? :laugh:
It is very hot there.
My sister-in-law's cousin married a Muslim man, so she converted to Islam and when they went to Saudi Arabia she had to wear the veil. I think it is called a hijab. The woman has to wear it there whenever she goes out in public to show respect for her husband and her father-in-law, because they would be shamed if she didn't.
She was just miserable in the heat. They could go to the beach for some relief from it. Even though she could not really get into the water, her seven children could.
The head scarf is the hijab. The veil is either the niqub or the burka i think. Seriously though why would she want to live anywhere like saudi arabia... way too hot and barbaric a place from what I can see.
It definitely wasn't a burqa. I'm not sure what it was, but I thought it was a hijab.
She went there because her husband got very homesick. They lived there for a while, even though her father-in-law never approved of his son marrying an American. One day, her father-in-law decided to send just her to America without the rest of her family, but she and her husband knew that she would not be able to re-enter Saudi Arabia without her father-in-law's permission, and he didn't like her. Unfortunately they could not leave Saudi Arabia without his permission either. They decided to trick him. With his permission, they went to visit another Middle Eastern country, then they left from there for the US.
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She was just miserable in the heat. They could go to the beach for some relief from it. Even though she could not really get into the water, her seven children could.
How does sitting in the blazing sun on the scorching sand in what would be considered good winter gear here constitute getting relief?
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She was just miserable in the heat. They could go to the beach for some relief from it. Even though she could not really get into the water, her seven children could.
How does sitting in the blazing sun on the scorching sand in what would be considered good winter gear here constitute getting relief?
There was an ocean breeze and the seven children had fun playing in the water. She could barely get her toes wet.
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It definitely wasn't a burqa. I'm not sure what it was, but I thought it was a hijab.
the scarf/veil (amounts to the same thing) is called a hijab, in common parlance, callaway, although "hijab" actually means "to veil", and refers to covering, and acting or dressing modestly, for both men and women (in the qur'an, that is). the burqa is the covering for the whole body, icluding the face.
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It definitely wasn't a burqa. I'm not sure what it was, but I thought it was a hijab.
the scarf/veil (amounts to the same thing) is called a hijab, in common parlance, callaway, although "hijab" actually means "to veil", and refers to covering, and acting or dressing modestly, for both men and women (in the qur'an, that is). the burqa is the covering for the whole body, icluding the face.
Thanks, Lucifer.
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Personally i cant see why the sharia loving ones cant live in the wonderful Saudi Arabia...
It's too hot to wear such outfits? :laugh:
You find them hot did you say Calandale?
I just wanna slip under them burkhas.
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Personally i cant see why the sharia loving ones cant live in the wonderful Saudi Arabia...
It's too hot to wear such outfits? :laugh:
You find them hot did you say Calandale?
I just wanna slip under them burkhas.
I wouldnt want to myself, there must be something pretty nasty they are hiding under there...
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Personally i cant see why the sharia loving ones cant live in the wonderful Saudi Arabia...
It's too hot to wear such outfits? :laugh:
You find them hot did you say Calandale?
I just wanna slip under them burkhas.
I wouldnt want to myself, there must be something pretty nasty they are hiding under there...
All the MORE reason to.
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Personally i cant see why the sharia loving ones cant live in the wonderful Saudi Arabia...
It's too hot to wear such outfits? :laugh:
You find them hot did you say Calandale?
I just wanna slip under them burkhas.
I wouldnt want to myself, there must be something pretty nasty they are hiding under there...
All the MORE reason to.
It would probably blow you head off. Literally.