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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Adam on June 08, 2011, 12:15:28 PM
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What a whore
This is the kind of person who should never reproduce
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2000871/Human-Barbie-Sarah-Burge-gives-daughter-boob-job-voucher-seventh-birthday.html
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Soph, if you're to convince people that you're a guy, you're not legaly allowed to object to boobs. :dunno:
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1. I'm not trying to "convince people I'm a guy"
2. Plenty of men are gay
3. Even if I were objecting to boob jobs (which I'm not), that does not mean objecting to boobs, as these women would still have boobs regardless
4. I have no interest in the subject of boobs when it involves 7 year old girls
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Fucking freaks
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What a whore
This is the kind of person who should never reproduce
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2000871/Human-Barbie-Sarah-Burge-gives-daughter-boob-job-voucher-seventh-birthday.html
Agreed
This is not a gift for a little girl. Seven year old's should spend their birthday having fun and playing games like musical chairs etc,
well definately not like this:
Poppy and seven friends had manicures, pedicures and makeovers. They dressed up with fake tattoos, drank pretend champagne in the back of a pink pamper bus and ate a designer cake costing £250.
Poppy wore a £300 dress for the party, adding nail varnish, eyeshadow and hair extensions.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2000871/Human-Barbie-Sarah-Burge-gives-daughter-boob-job-voucher-seventh-birthday.html#ixzz1OiJIf22D
I hope the girl rebel's as she get's older and turns into a mechanic or something :zoinks:
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I do too, but the sad thing that she is almost certainly gonna end up just like her mother unfortrunately
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I do too, but the sad thing that she is almost certainly gonna end up just like her mother unfortrunately
You are probably right there. Although she may be influenced at school, if everyone thought it was uncool.
Thinking about it though, other girls her age will probably think it is cool.
Her mother is a stupid and vain bitch.
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I agree. It makes me fucking angry that there are parents out there who are actually this fucking selfish
She obviously just wants her own perfect little princess
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They are setting her up for oh so many issues when she gets older
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She'll just be looked upon as a slag by the time she's a teenager. if not evven earlier :-\
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:facepalm2:
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That kid should be taken away.
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She'll just be looked upon as a slag by the time she's a teenager. if not evven earlier :-\
And they will be crying about how unfair it is that they look at her that way and demanding something be done
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What a whore
This is the kind of person who should never reproduce
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2000871/Human-Barbie-Sarah-Burge-gives-daughter-boob-job-voucher-seventh-birthday.html
Why are you reading the Daily Mail? :P
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What a whore
This is the kind of person who should never reproduce
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2000871/Human-Barbie-Sarah-Burge-gives-daughter-boob-job-voucher-seventh-birthday.html
Why are you reading the Daily Mail? :P
It cleanses the palate after a long day of arduous intellectual activity here on I2. :autism:
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4. I have no interest in the subject of boobs when it involves 7 year old girls
Encouraging little girls to get cosmetic surgery sucks. :thumbdn:
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I actually like reading more conservative or religious sites a lot of the time BECAUSE I disagree with them so much
and the Daily Mail one is good as I like the way its site is set out
I still think it is full of shit though
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I actually like reading more conservative or religious sites a lot of the time BECAUSE I disagree with them so much
and the Daily Mail one is good as I like the way its site is set out
I still think it is full of shit though
I do the same thing only reading stuff that you agree with gets boring fast
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I actually like reading more conservative or religious sites a lot of the time BECAUSE I disagree with them so much
and the Daily Mail one is good as I like the way its site is set out
I still think it is full of shit though
I do the same thing only reading stuff that you agree with gets boring fast
This is why Soph's threads get so many replies. :P
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1. I'm not trying to "convince people I'm a guy"
2. Plenty of men are gay
3. Even if I were objecting to boob jobs (which I'm not), that does not mean objecting to boobs, as these women would still have boobs regardless
4. I have no interest in the subject of boobs when it involves 7 year old girls
I didn't write that rule, I'm just pointing it out. As wrong as it is for this woman to push her daughter into plastic surgery, it's boobs were talking about here and heterosexual males must recuse themselves on this issue.
Objecting to bigger boobs just isn't allowed. :police:
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Eh I'm not that fussed about size really as long as they're there :P
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1. I'm not trying to "convince people I'm a guy"
2. Plenty of men are gay
3. Even if I were objecting to boob jobs (which I'm not), that does not mean objecting to boobs, as these women would still have boobs regardless
4. I have no interest in the subject of boobs when it involves 7 year old girls
I didn't write that rule, I'm just pointing it out. As wrong as it is for this woman to push her daughter into plastic surgery, it's boobs were talking about here and heterosexual males must recuse themselves on this issue.
Objecting to bigger boobs just isn't allowed. :police:
Am I going to be kicked out of the man-club then?
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1. I'm not trying to "convince people I'm a guy"
2. Plenty of men are gay
3. Even if I were objecting to boob jobs (which I'm not), that does not mean objecting to boobs, as these women would still have boobs regardless
4. I have no interest in the subject of boobs when it involves 7 year old girls
I didn't write that rule, I'm just pointing it out. As wrong as it is for this woman to push her daughter into plastic surgery, it's boobs were talking about here and heterosexual males must recuse themselves on this issue.
Objecting to bigger boobs just isn't allowed. :police:
But she's a 7 year old girl?
Are you saying that boobs are hot no matter the age? , if you are then there is something seriously wrong with you Scrap.
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He's just insecure about his masculinity :M
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1. I'm not trying to "convince people I'm a guy"
2. Plenty of men are gay
3. Even if I were objecting to boob jobs (which I'm not), that does not mean objecting to boobs, as these women would still have boobs regardless
4. I have no interest in the subject of boobs when it involves 7 year old girls
I didn't write that rule, I'm just pointing it out. As wrong as it is for this woman to push her daughter into plastic surgery, it's boobs were talking about here and heterosexual males must recuse themselves on this issue.
Objecting to bigger boobs just isn't allowed. :police:
But she's a 7 year old girl?
Are you saying that boobs are hot no matter the age? , if you are then there is something seriously wrong with you Scrap.
Did you even bother reading the article you spineless invertabrate? She got a gift certificate to get a boob job when she's 18. ::)
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16 actually
and that's not the point. I don't think anyone's arguing against adults being able to have boob jobs. it's about brainwashing a child into thinking she wants one
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1. I'm not trying to "convince people I'm a guy"
2. Plenty of men are gay
3. Even if I were objecting to boob jobs (which I'm not), that does not mean objecting to boobs, as these women would still have boobs regardless
4. I have no interest in the subject of boobs when it involves 7 year old girls
I didn't write that rule, I'm just pointing it out. As wrong as it is for this woman to push her daughter into plastic surgery, it's boobs were talking about here and heterosexual males must recuse themselves on this issue.
Objecting to bigger boobs just isn't allowed. :police:
But she's a 7 year old girl?
Are you saying that boobs are hot no matter the age? , if you are then there is something seriously wrong with you Scrap.
Did you even bother reading the article you spineless invertabrate? She got a gift certificate to get a boob job when she's 18. ::)
Are you too busy focusing on your boner to realise what is actually the issue here?
It was given to a 7 year old girl, brainwashing a little girl into believing they need to please pigs with child nourishers is beyond wrong.
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So all hetero men are pigs??
That is a fucked up, beyond wrong, bigoted thing to say.
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So all hetero men are pigs??
That is a fucked up, beyond wrong, bigoted thing to say.
Not all hetero men sexualize a 7 year old child. For instance, I don't. :zoinks:
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So all hetero men are pigs??
That is a fucked up, beyond wrong, bigoted thing to say.
Nice try at twisting my words.
Not all men are so shallow that they believe bigger boobs are the most important thing about a woman.
And as MLA said , sexualise 7 year old girls.
If you do those things then yes you are a pig.
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So all hetero men are pigs??
That is a fucked up, beyond wrong, bigoted thing to say.
Nice try at twisting my words.
Not all men are so shallow that they believe bigger boobs are the most important thing about a woman.
And as MLA said , sexualise 7 year old girls.
If you do those things then yes you are a pig.
Where the fuck did this "sexualizing a 7 year old" shit come from??
She wont be able to use the certificate untill she's 16. AND SHE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO USE IT FOR A BOOB JOB!! It's simply a gift certificate to a pastic surgeon. She can use it or not use it as she pleases.
You really excell at making a mountain out of a molehill.
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So all hetero men are pigs??
That is a fucked up, beyond wrong, bigoted thing to say.
Nice try at twisting my words.
Not all men are so shallow that they believe bigger boobs are the most important thing about a woman.
And as MLA said , sexualise 7 year old girls.
If you do those things then yes you are a pig.
Where the fuck did this "sexualizing a 7 year old" shit come from??
She wont be able to use the certificate untill she's 16. AND SHE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO USE IT FOR A BOOB JOB!! It's simply a gift certificate to a pastic surgeon. She can use it or not use it as she pleases.
You really excell at making a mountain out of a molehill.
From the fact she was given it , you seem to appluad that it's ok to give a 7 year old girl that thing so she can use it when she is older.
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From the fact she was given it , you seem to appluad that it's ok to give a 7 year old girl that thing so she can use it when she is older.
Both the mother and daughter are free to make their own decisions, without self righteous twunts telling them what to think.
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She is being ENCOURAGED to look forward to using it for a boob job
She's quoted as saying how she can't wait to get big boobs like her mum
and her mum is quoted as saying that if she gets naturally big boobs she can use it on something else
she's clearly bringing the girl up to be a slag like herself
THAT is the point of the thread
whether or not me or you or MLA like WOMEN with big boobs or not is irrelevant
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From the fact she was given it , you seem to appluad that it's ok to give a 7 year old girl that thing so she can use it when she is older.
Both the mother and daughter are free to make their own decisions, without self righteous twunts telling them what to think.
er, for herself yes
Raising your daughter to want a boob job is bad parenting though
someone's right to do whatever they want without question automatically ends when that right starts affecting others, especially children
and seeing this woman as a terrible parent is not self righteous. she IS a terrible parent
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From the fact she was given it , you seem to appluad that it's ok to give a 7 year old girl that thing so she can use it when she is older.
Both the mother and daughter are free to make their own decisions, without self righteous twunts telling them what to think.
er, for herself yes
Raising your daughter to want a boob job is bad parenting though
someone's right to do whatever they want without question automatically ends when that right starts affecting others, especially children
and seeing this woman as a terrible parent is not self righteous. she IS a terrible parent
Stupid? yes, terrible? no.
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From the fact she was given it , you seem to appluad that it's ok to give a 7 year old girl that thing so she can use it when she is older.
Both the mother and daughter are free to make their own decisions, without self righteous twunts telling them what to think.
Hardly telling people what to think.
It's about being able to distinguish what is decent for little girls and what is plain sick.
If you are unable to realise what is wrong with this , you need help.
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From the fact she was given it , you seem to appluad that it's ok to give a 7 year old girl that thing so she can use it when she is older.
Both the mother and daughter are free to make their own decisions, without self righteous twunts telling them what to think.
Hardly telling people what to think.
It's about being able to distinguish what is decent for little girls and what is plain sick.
If you are unable to realise what is wrong with this , you need help.
So anyone who disagrees with your opinions needs help. How objective you are. ::)
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From the fact she was given it , you seem to appluad that it's ok to give a 7 year old girl that thing so she can use it when she is older.
Both the mother and daughter are free to make their own decisions, without self righteous twunts telling them what to think.
Hardly telling people what to think.
It's about being able to distinguish what is decent for little girls and what is plain sick.
If you are unable to realise what is wrong with this , you need help.
So anyone who disagrees with your opinions needs help. How objective you are. ::)
No , anyone who sexualises little girls needs help or has no problem with the sexualisation of children needs help.
Twisting my words won't help you. :wanker:
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No , anyone who sexualises little girls needs help or has no problem with the sexualisation of children needs help.
Twisting my words won't help you. :wanker:
We're not talking about a little girl here, we're talking about a 16 year old.
Twisting my words won't help you. :wanker:
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No , anyone who sexualises little girls needs help or has no problem with the sexualisation of children needs help.
Twisting my words won't help you. :wanker:
We're not talking about a little girl here, we're talking about a 16 year old.
Twisting my words won't help you. :wanker:
No we are talking about a little girl , pay attention.
A 7 year old girl was given a coupon for a boob job , therefore from a young age she is having plastic surgery rammed down her throat , Of course it is fine for those of legal ages to get boob jobs , but to have it offered to them when 7 is wrong.
You however think it's ok to give a 7 year old girl a boob job coupon , regardless of it only being able to be used when she is older (although 16 is WAY too young imo) that seriously IS wrong.
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The kid should be taken away, and the mom given to Scrap for his entertainment. I think we can all agree on that much.
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The kid should be taken away, and the mom given to Scrap for his entertainment. I think we can all agree on that much.
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Yep. I'm not sure why social services don't get involved with cases like this. You saw what happened to Michael Jackson when he missed out on his childhood :o
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Yep. I'm not sure why social services don't get involved with cases like this. You saw what happened to Michael Jackson when he missed out on his childhood :o
:lol:
Tbh I really doubt MJ did anything to those kids, considering how willingly those people settled for money payment , I mean think about it , if your child was molested - would you settle for a cash payment?
But thats another argument. :P
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I don't think he did either, I used to be in love with MJ lol. It wasn't my point really, I meant look how messed up he was. That dumb whore mother is making her already have worries about her body and stuff. Why not give her a voucher for fucking toys r us.
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No we are talking about a little girl , pay attention.
A 7 year old girl was given a coupon for a boob job , therefore from a young age she is having plastic surgery rammed down her throat , Of course it is fine for those of legal ages to get boob jobs , but to have it offered to them when 7 is wrong.
How many times do I have to point out that: 1) nothing can be acted upon until this girl is of legal age in the first place. and 2) She can choose when she's 16 to NOT have plastic surgery! this coupon doesn't force her to do anything!
No one's free-will has been infringed upon here. You are on a moral high-horse for no reason at all other than to be a self-righteous fuckwit.
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No we are talking about a little girl , pay attention.
A 7 year old girl was given a coupon for a boob job , therefore from a young age she is having plastic surgery rammed down her throat , Of course it is fine for those of legal ages to get boob jobs , but to have it offered to them when 7 is wrong.
How many times do I have to point out that: 1) nothing can be acted upon until this girl is of legal age in the first place. and 2) She can choose when she's 16 to NOT have plastic surgery! this coupon doesn't force her to do anything!
No one's free-will has been infringed upon here. You are on a moral high-horse for no reason at all other than to be a self-righteous fuckwit.
She is being ENCOURAGED to look forward to using it for a boob job
She's quoted as saying how she can't wait to get big boobs like her mum
and her mum is quoted as saying that if she gets naturally big boobs she can use it on something else
she's clearly bringing the girl up to be a slag like herself
THAT is the point of the thread
whether or not me or you or MLA like WOMEN with big boobs or not is irrelevant
I see Scrapheap's point. You are claiming to argue one issue while you actually argue two. If this mother was a world-renowned doctor, and the birthday party had been a medicine-themed party, and the gift certificate had been for a prestigious medical school instead of plastic surgery, I don't think that you would argue that the mother is brainwashing her daughter. I think that you are arguing against the appropriateness of exposing children to sexualized body images. Instead of backing up your position on this point when it comes up, Squiddy, you are launching ad hominem attacks on Scrapheap whenever he brings up the idea that there might be a point of view other than yours.
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Ok imagine the scene
a dimly lit room, 'nasty girls' is playing in the background
a figure is gyrating up and down a purposely positioned pole
- you look closer
OH WTF ???
it's a little girl! a fucking six year old girl!!!
Yes this delightful woman taught her daughter how to pole dance at six years old!!
Not really surprised then when i see she has given her a boob job voucher at aged 7yrs!
She has a history of giving innapropriate presents to her child... wonder what she will
do for her eighth birthday... maybe a ticket to rehab (just in case)
What possible reason does she have to give this child the voucher now, i mean why not
simply wait til she is 16 years old - only reason i can see is that she will have it constantly
out on display (i bet this doesn't end up in the back of a drawer) so the little girl will
look up to it, and want to use it.
It is sick.
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http://www.odditycentral.com/news/mother-gives-8-year-old-daughter-regular-botox-shots.html
http://www.tmz.com/2011/05/16/botox-daughter-kerry-campbell-britney-san-francisco-human-services-agency/
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I see Scrapheap's point. You are claiming to argue one issue while you actually argue two. If this mother was a world-renowned doctor, and the birthday party had been a medicine-themed party, and the gift certificate had been for a prestigious medical school instead of plastic surgery, I don't think that you would argue that the mother is brainwashing her daughter. I think that you are arguing against the appropriateness of exposing children to sexualized body images. Instead of backing up your position on this point when it comes up, Squiddy, you are launching ad hominem attacks on Scrapheap whenever he brings up the idea that there might be a point of view other than yours.
I think what we're arguing is pretty clear actually.
Encouraging your daughter to be a doctor when they're older isn't the same, no. But I WOULD say you shouldn't be booking them into medical school when they're too young to know what they want to do themselves.
We're saying a "mother" should not be raising her child to want a boob job. That shouldn't even be something a 7 year old girl should be thinking about. For any decent mother it wouldnt even cross their mind to buy their kid a voucher for a boob job at that age.
What#'s not clear about that?
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When it comes to children, not actually physically forcing them into something doesn't mean that what you're doing is ok
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No we are talking about a little girl , pay attention.
A 7 year old girl was given a coupon for a boob job , therefore from a young age she is having plastic surgery rammed down her throat , Of course it is fine for those of legal ages to get boob jobs , but to have it offered to them when 7 is wrong.
How many times do I have to point out that: 1) nothing can be acted upon until this girl is of legal age in the first place. and 2) She can choose when she's 16 to NOT have plastic surgery! this coupon doesn't force her to do anything!
No one's free-will has been infringed upon here. You are on a moral high-horse for no reason at all other than to be a self-righteous fuckwit.
I'm a self-righteous fuckwit because I think it's wrong to give a seven year old girl a coupon for a boob job?
It doesn't matter that she can use it when she is 16 , she IS brainwashing her daughter , if thats the case , then do you apply your point to size zero models?
Why is promotion of size zero models banned? is it not because it influences little girls into starving themselves for a "perfect" figure?
The copuon doesn't force anything and it's not about free will being enforced , it's a terrible mother brainwashing her child with plastic surgery , if you can't see this then you are fucking deluded.
You are claiming to argue one issue while you actually argue two. If this mother was a world-renowned doctor, and the birthday party had been a medicine-themed party, and the gift certificate had been for a prestigious medical school instead of plastic surgery, I don't think that you would argue that the mother is brainwashing her daughter.
There is a difference , promoting plastic surgery as a good thing to a girl of 7 is potentially damaging , a medicine themed party is less likely to damage the child , I don't agree with influencing your child to follow a career , but that over a plastic surgery coupon is FAR better.
Instead of backing up your position on this point when it comes up, Squiddy, you are launching ad hominem attacks on Scrapheap whenever he brings up the idea that there might be a point of view other than yours.
Wrong , very very wrong.
I have backed myself up , read my posts again , and also look at scraps , instead of backing himself up he has twisted words.
Way to ride in on a high horse Semi :thumbup:
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If a little kid is bought up to believe that she's destined to get a boob job at 16, she probably will. Its silly to say that its her own choice, at the moment, its still down to her mother to bring her up the right way.
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No we are talking about a little girl , pay attention.
A 7 year old girl was given a coupon for a boob job , therefore from a young age she is having plastic surgery rammed down her throat , Of course it is fine for those of legal ages to get boob jobs , but to have it offered to them when 7 is wrong.
How many times do I have to point out that: 1) nothing can be acted upon until this girl is of legal age in the first place. and 2) She can choose when she's 16 to NOT have plastic surgery! this coupon doesn't force her to do anything!
No one's free-will has been infringed upon here. You are on a moral high-horse for no reason at all other than to be a self-righteous fuckwit.
I'm a self-righteous fuckwit because I think it's wrong to give a seven year old girl a coupon for a boob job?
It doesn't matter that she can use it when she is 16 , she IS brainwashing her daughter , if thats the case , then do you apply your point to size zero models?
Why is promotion of size zero models banned? is it not because it influences little girls into starving themselves for a "perfect" figure?
The copuon doesn't force anything and it's not about free will being enforced , it's a terrible mother brainwashing her child with plastic surgery , if you can't see this then you are fucking deluded.
You are claiming to argue one issue while you actually argue two. If this mother was a world-renowned doctor, and the birthday party had been a medicine-themed party, and the gift certificate had been for a prestigious medical school instead of plastic surgery, I don't think that you would argue that the mother is brainwashing her daughter.
There is a difference , promoting plastic surgery as a good thing to a girl of 7 is potentially damaging , a medicine themed party is less likely to damage the child , I don't agree with influencing your child to follow a career , but that over a plastic surgery coupon is FAR better.
Instead of backing up your position on this point when it comes up, Squiddy, you are launching ad hominem attacks on Scrapheap whenever he brings up the idea that there might be a point of view other than yours.
Wrong , very very wrong.
I have backed myself up , read my posts again , and also look at scraps , instead of backing himself up he has twisted words.
Way to ride in on a high horse Semi :thumbup:
Where have you backed yourself up? I have reread the thread, and all of the posts I have found from you are blanket moral judgments that this is wrong. I haven't seen any ethical reasoning, or even an appeal to religion. You've just repeated your bare assertion that anyone who disagrees with you on this issue is sick, because no normal person could possibly believe anything other than what you believe. Even if that were true, no one on this site is in a position to throw stones at anyone for mental illness. If you have provided logical reasoning somewhere, where is it?
No , anyone who sexualises little girls needs help or has no problem with the sexualisation of children needs help.
Twisting my words won't help you. :wanker:
We're not talking about a little girl here, we're talking about a 16 year old.
Twisting my words won't help you. :wanker:
No we are talking about a little girl , pay attention.
A 7 year old girl was given a coupon for a boob job , therefore from a young age she is having plastic surgery rammed down her throat , Of course it is fine for those of legal ages to get boob jobs , but to have it offered to them when 7 is wrong.
You however think it's ok to give a 7 year old girl a boob job coupon , regardless of it only being able to be used when she is older (although 16 is WAY too young imo) that seriously IS wrong.
From the fact she was given it , you seem to appluad that it's ok to give a 7 year old girl that thing so she can use it when she is older.
Both the mother and daughter are free to make their own decisions, without self righteous twunts telling them what to think.
Hardly telling people what to think.
It's about being able to distinguish what is decent for little girls and what is plain sick.
If you are unable to realise what is wrong with this , you need help.
So anyone who disagrees with your opinions needs help. How objective you are. ::)
No , anyone who sexualises little girls needs help or has no problem with the sexualisation of children needs help.
Twisting my words won't help you. :wanker:
From the fact she was given it , you seem to appluad that it's ok to give a 7 year old girl that thing so she can use it when she is older.
Both the mother and daughter are free to make their own decisions, without self righteous twunts telling them what to think.
Hardly telling people what to think.
It's about being able to distinguish what is decent for little girls and what is plain sick.
If you are unable to realise what is wrong with this , you need help.
So all hetero men are pigs??
That is a fucked up, beyond wrong, bigoted thing to say.
Nice try at twisting my words.
Not all men are so shallow that they believe bigger boobs are the most important thing about a woman.
And as MLA said , sexualise 7 year old girls.
If you do those things then yes you are a pig.
1. I'm not trying to "convince people I'm a guy"
2. Plenty of men are gay
3. Even if I were objecting to boob jobs (which I'm not), that does not mean objecting to boobs, as these women would still have boobs regardless
4. I have no interest in the subject of boobs when it involves 7 year old girls
I didn't write that rule, I'm just pointing it out. As wrong as it is for this woman to push her daughter into plastic surgery, it's boobs were talking about here and heterosexual males must recuse themselves on this issue.
Objecting to bigger boobs just isn't allowed. :police:
But she's a 7 year old girl?
Are you saying that boobs are hot no matter the age? , if you are then there is something seriously wrong with you Scrap.
Did you even bother reading the article you spineless invertabrate? She got a gift certificate to get a boob job when she's 18. ::)
Are you too busy focusing on your boner to realise what is actually the issue here?
It was given to a 7 year old girl, brainwashing a little girl into believing they need to please pigs with child nourishers is beyond wrong.
1. I'm not trying to "convince people I'm a guy"
2. Plenty of men are gay
3. Even if I were objecting to boob jobs (which I'm not), that does not mean objecting to boobs, as these women would still have boobs regardless
4. I have no interest in the subject of boobs when it involves 7 year old girls
I didn't write that rule, I'm just pointing it out. As wrong as it is for this woman to push her daughter into plastic surgery, it's boobs were talking about here and heterosexual males must recuse themselves on this issue.
Objecting to bigger boobs just isn't allowed. :police:
But she's a 7 year old girl?
Are you saying that boobs are hot no matter the age? , if you are then there is something seriously wrong with you Scrap.
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Er, where is he attacking anyone for mental illness?
I think he's attacking the woman for being a fucking pathetic excuse for a mother.
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Er, where is he attacking anyone for mental illness?
I think he's attacking the woman for being a fucking pathetic excuse for a mother.
It's disgusting. That's an opinion. I can have opinions without evidence. :police:
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Where have you backed yourself up? I have reread the thread, and all of the posts I have found from you are blanket moral judgments that this is wrong. I haven't seen any ethical reasoning, or even an appeal to religion. You've just repeated your bare assertion that anyone who disagrees with you on this issue is sick, because no normal person could possibly believe anything other than what you believe. Even if that were true, no one on this site is in a position to throw stones at anyone for mental illness. If you have provided logical reasoning somewhere, where is it?
As I said , way to ride in on a high horse Semi. :thumbup:
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Er, where is he attacking anyone for mental illness?
I think he's attacking the woman for being a fucking pathetic excuse for a mother.
He's saying that Scrap is mentally ill because he doesn't support Squiddy's position. Here are two examples.
From the fact she was given it , you seem to appluad that it's ok to give a 7 year old girl that thing so she can use it when she is older.
Both the mother and daughter are free to make their own decisions, without self righteous twunts telling them what to think.
Hardly telling people what to think.
It's about being able to distinguish what is decent for little girls and what is plain sick.
If you are unable to realise what is wrong with this , you need help.
So anyone who disagrees with your opinions needs help. How objective you are. ::)
No , anyone who sexualises little girls needs help or has no problem with the sexualisation of children needs help.
Twisting my words won't help you. :wanker:
From the fact she was given it , you seem to appluad that it's ok to give a 7 year old girl that thing so she can use it when she is older.
Both the mother and daughter are free to make their own decisions, without self righteous twunts telling them what to think.
Hardly telling people what to think.
It's about being able to distinguish what is decent for little girls and what is plain sick.
If you are unable to realise what is wrong with this , you need help.
Squiddy's position is that this is wrong, and, implicitly, that anyone who thinks that this is acceptable is impaired and cannot possibly be rational. There are other examples of this. My argument is that Squiddy is countering Scrap's argument with ad hominem attacks and insults against Scrap, and Squiddy has not provided any logical, moral or religious evidence anywhere that I've seen to back himself up, other than bare assertions.
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Er, where is he attacking anyone for mental illness?
I think he's attacking the woman for being a fucking pathetic excuse for a mother.
He's saying that Scrap is mentally ill because he doesn't support Squiddy's position. Here are two examples.
From the fact she was given it , you seem to appluad that it's ok to give a 7 year old girl that thing so she can use it when she is older.
Both the mother and daughter are free to make their own decisions, without self righteous twunts telling them what to think.
Hardly telling people what to think.
It's about being able to distinguish what is decent for little girls and what is plain sick.
If you are unable to realise what is wrong with this , you need help.
So anyone who disagrees with your opinions needs help. How objective you are. ::)
No , anyone who sexualises little girls needs help or has no problem with the sexualisation of children needs help.
Twisting my words won't help you. :wanker:
From the fact she was given it , you seem to appluad that it's ok to give a 7 year old girl that thing so she can use it when she is older.
Both the mother and daughter are free to make their own decisions, without self righteous twunts telling them what to think.
Hardly telling people what to think.
It's about being able to distinguish what is decent for little girls and what is plain sick.
If you are unable to realise what is wrong with this , you need help.
Squiddy's position is that this is wrong, and, implicitly, that anyone who thinks that this is acceptable is impaired and cannot possibly be rational. There are other examples of this. My argument is that Squiddy is countering Scrap's argument with ad hominem attacks and insults against Scrap, and Squiddy has not provided any logical, moral or religious evidence anywhere that I've seen to back himself up, other than bare assertions.
:lol:
Sure thing Semi.
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My argument is that Squiddy is countering Scrap's argument with ad hominem attacks and insults against Scrap, and Squiddy has not provided any logical, moral or religious evidence anywhere that I've seen to back himself up, other than bare assertions.
Why do you care? Just bored? This isn't a callout, or anything "important".
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My argument is that Squiddy is countering Scrap's argument with ad hominem attacks and insults against Scrap, and Squiddy has not provided any logical, moral or religious evidence anywhere that I've seen to back himself up, other than bare assertions.
Why do you care? Just bored? This isn't a callout, or anything "important".
Because Semi feels the need to correct everyone on matters that don't fit with his thinking.
Oops wasn't this what he accused me of? :zoinks:
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Jesus Christ :facepalm2:
What does he need to back up?
It's fucking sick and, yes, WRONG to raise your daughter to be a little slag like yourself
Children do not understand the implications of things like this
And even without the sexual aspect of it, putting this kind of emphasis on looks is wrong imo (when raising children I mean). I also view child beauty pageants as pretty fucking disgusting too, although not on the same level as this woman who teaches her daughter to pole dance ffs
Children are children. Not mini adults
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Jesus Christ :facepalm2:
What does he need to back up?
It's fucking sick and, yes, WRONG to raise your daughter to be a little slag like yourself
Children do not understand the implications of things like this
And even without the sexual aspect of it, putting this kind of emphasis on looks is wrong imo (when raising children I mean). I also view child beauty pageants as pretty fucking disgusting too, although not on the same level as this woman who teaches her daughter to pole dance ffs
Children are children. Not mini adults
It's because I'm insulting Scrap by infringing on his freedom of speech by telling him how wrong sexualisation of children and giving boob job coupons (regardless of age when used) to 7 year old girls is. :violin:
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Jesus Christ :facepalm2:
What does he need to back up?
It's fucking sick and, yes, WRONG to raise your daughter to be a little slag like yourself
Children do not understand the implications of things like this
And even without the sexual aspect of it, putting this kind of emphasis on looks is wrong imo (when raising children I mean). I also view child beauty pageants as pretty fucking disgusting too, although not on the same level as this woman who teaches her daughter to pole dance ffs
Children are children. Not mini adults
just want to add that i personally think it is wrong to give a seven year old a present worth several thousand pounds. Even if you are wealthy. How much was it - £6k ? I mean that is a lot
of money, and i would say there is a risk of her turning into Verucca Salt!
(http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/128858429000869218.jpg)
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Yeah I agree. Although I think many good parents are guilty of that. Whereas this woman is actually a BAD parent
the kid does seem very spoiled. she is likely gonna grow up to be a real bitch who'll marry some rich pushover and expect everything she wants straight away or she'll throw a tantrum
either that or she'll end up in a strip club
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I think what we're arguing is pretty clear actually.
Encouraging your daughter to be a doctor when they're older isn't the same, no. But I WOULD say you shouldn't be booking them into medical school when they're too young to know what they want to do themselves.
Her mother can't force her to walk into the doctor's office.
We're saying a "mother" should not be raising her child to want a boob job. That shouldn't even be something a 7 year old girl should be thinking about. For any decent mother it wouldnt even cross their mind to buy their kid a voucher for a boob job at that age.
What#'s not clear about that?
Can you do better than a bare assertion fallacy of logic??
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The copuon doesn't force anything and it's not about free will being enforced , it's a terrible mother brainwashing her child with plastic surgery , if you can't see this then you are fucking deluded.
Of course I can see that she's brain washing her kid. Find me a mother that DOESN'T brainwash their kid in order to form them in their own image.
Good fucking luck with that one. :hahaha:
Once again, you fail at thinking.
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Jesus Christ :facepalm2:
What does he need to back up?
It's fucking sick and, yes, WRONG to raise your daughter to be a little slag like yourself
Children do not understand the implications of things like this
And even without the sexual aspect of it, putting this kind of emphasis on looks is wrong imo (when raising children I mean). I also view child beauty pageants as pretty fucking disgusting too, although not on the same level as this woman who teaches her daughter to pole dance ffs
Children are children. Not mini adults
Another post full of bare assertions.
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Because Semi feels the need to correct everyone on matters that don't fit with his thinking.
Oops wasn't this what he accused me of? :zoinks:
Semi is pointing to facts, you are asserting opinions AS fact. Minor difference there. ::)
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The copuon doesn't force anything and it's not about free will being enforced , it's a terrible mother brainwashing her child with plastic surgery , if you can't see this then you are fucking deluded.
Of course I can see that she's brain washing her kid. Find me a mother that DOESN'T brainwash their kid in order to form them in their own image.
Good fucking luck with that one. :hahaha:
Once again, you fail at thinking.
I can't say that every mother brainwashes her child and I can't say that no mothers do , I haven't met every single mother on this planet.
I love how you make stupid little statements like that then pretend you've pwned someone. :hahaha:
Because Semi feels the need to correct everyone on matters that don't fit with his thinking.
Oops wasn't this what he accused me of? :zoinks:
Semi is pointing to facts, you are asserting opinions AS fact. Minor difference there. ::)
So it's not fact that it's wrong to sexualise chidren?
Despite there being legal age requirements for sexual intercourse and having sex with a minor is also illegal?
Both opinion and fact , once again scrappy you fail. ;)
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Because Semi feels the need to correct everyone on matters that don't fit with his thinking.
Oops wasn't this what he accused me of? :zoinks:
Semi is pointing to facts, you are asserting opinions AS fact. Minor difference there. ::)
So it's not fact that it's wrong to sexualise chidren?
Despite there being legal age requirements for sexual intercourse and having sex with a minor is also illegal?
Both opinion and fact , once again scrappy you fail. ;)
No, that's not a fact.
fact
noun \ˈfakt\
1: a thing done: as a obsolete : feat b : crime <accessory after the fact> c archaic : action
2 archaic : performance, doing
3: the quality of being actual : actuality <a question of fact hinges on evidence>
4 a : something that has actual existence <space exploration is now a fact> b : an actual occurrence <prove the fact of damage>
5: a piece of information presented as having objective reality
Source (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fact)
"It's wrong to sexualize children" is a moral judgment, not an objective representation of reality. If someone declared that the opposite is true, you would have no objective way to disprove that assertion. Also, resorting to legal arguments is weak. That argument is an appeal to authority: basically, "It's wrong to sexualize children because the law says so", which is as persuasive as "It's wrong to eat shellfish because the Bible says so", or "It's wrong to be gay because God says so". You'll probably see that last example as me equivocating sexualizing children with being gay. I just used that example to point out the logical fallacy; don't read too much into it.
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Because Semi feels the need to correct everyone on matters that don't fit with his thinking.
Oops wasn't this what he accused me of? :zoinks:
Semi is pointing to facts, you are asserting opinions AS fact. Minor difference there. ::)
So it's not fact that it's wrong to sexualise chidren?
Despite there being legal age requirements for sexual intercourse and having sex with a minor is also illegal?
Both opinion and fact , once again scrappy you fail. ;)
No, that's not a fact.
fact
noun \ˈfakt\
1: a thing done: as a obsolete : feat b : crime <accessory after the fact> c archaic : action
2 archaic : performance, doing
3: the quality of being actual : actuality <a question of fact hinges on evidence>
4 a : something that has actual existence <space exploration is now a fact> b : an actual occurrence <prove the fact of damage>
5: a piece of information presented as having objective reality
Source (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fact)
"It's wrong to sexualize children" is a moral judgment, not an objective representation of reality. If someone declared that the opposite is true, you would have no objective way to disprove that assertion. Also, resorting to legal arguments is weak. That argument is an appeal to authority: basically, "It's wrong to sexualize children because the law says so", which is as persuasive as "It's wrong to eat shellfish because the Bible says so", or "It's wrong to be gay because God says so". You'll probably see that last example as me equivocating sexualizing children with being gay. I just used that example to point out the logical fallacy; don't read too much into it.
Thats fantastic , I'll read this again when I actually give a shit :2thumbsup:.
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Because Semi feels the need to correct everyone on matters that don't fit with his thinking.
Oops wasn't this what he accused me of? :zoinks:
Semi is pointing to facts, you are asserting opinions AS fact. Minor difference there. ::)
So it's not fact that it's wrong to sexualise chidren?
Despite there being legal age requirements for sexual intercourse and having sex with a minor is also illegal?
Both opinion and fact , once again scrappy you fail. ;)
No, that's not a fact.
fact
noun \ˈfakt\
1: a thing done: as a obsolete : feat b : crime <accessory after the fact> c archaic : action
2 archaic : performance, doing
3: the quality of being actual : actuality <a question of fact hinges on evidence>
4 a : something that has actual existence <space exploration is now a fact> b : an actual occurrence <prove the fact of damage>
5: a piece of information presented as having objective reality
Source (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fact)
"It's wrong to sexualize children" is a moral judgment, not an objective representation of reality. If someone declared that the opposite is true, you would have no objective way to disprove that assertion. Also, resorting to legal arguments is weak. That argument is an appeal to authority: basically, "It's wrong to sexualize children because the law says so", which is as persuasive as "It's wrong to eat shellfish because the Bible says so", or "It's wrong to be gay because God says so". You'll probably see that last example as me equivocating sexualizing children with being gay. I just used that example to point out the logical fallacy; don't read too much into it.
Can you make a factual argument for your side? That it is right to sexualize 7 year old girls?
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I can't say that every mother brainwashes her child and I can't say that no mothers do , I haven't met every single mother on this planet.
It isn't necessary to meet every mother. Brainwashing is how our whole species operates, we're designed for it. There's some good youtube vids done by scientists, that show the learning diffeences between 6 year old humans and 6 year old chimps. The human children believe almost everything the adults tell them, whereas the chimps easily see through the scientists tricks. Everyone has been brainwashed by their parents and by authority.
So it's not fact that it's wrong to sexualise chidren?
No, it's not a fact, just an opinion.
Despite there being legal age requirements for sexual intercourse and having sex with a minor is also illegal?
The law doesn't determine what's right and wrong, the law is one thing and one thing only, force.
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Can you make a factual argument for your side? That it is right to sexualize 7 year old girls?
I don't think that either of us is making that point. We have simply stated that neither Squiddy nor Soph have provided any evidence to prove their point. This kind of "sexualization" of a 7 year old, may not in fact, have any harmful effects on the kids mental development.
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It isn't necessary to meet every mother. .
Generlisations do not work , fact.
No, it's not a fact, just an opinion.
Again , if sexualisation of children is "just an opinion" why is it illegal to go and have sex with a 7 year old?
Law relies on fact , the Law is a fact , it is wrong to sexualise children , simple.
The law doesn't determine what's right and wrong, the law is one thing and one thing only, force.
I think you'll find it does in most cases , on the current issue it does determine what is right and wrong.
Can you make a factual argument for your side? That it is right to sexualize 7 year old girls?
I don't think that either of us is making that point. We have simply stated that neither Squiddy nor Soph have provided any evidence to prove their point. This kind of "sexualization" of a 7 year old, may not in fact, have any harmful effects on the kids mental development.
So what kind of evidence do you require?
All Semi has done is link to wikipedia articles and go on off on a self-important rampage claiming I am some kind of opinion-restricting nazi , and all you have done is claim I am a "PC idiot"
Where have the pair of you backed yourselves up?
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Many kids are exposed violent images too early too.
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Many kids are exposed violent images too early too.
:agreed:
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Can you make a factual argument for your side? That it is right to sexualize 7 year old girls?
I don't think that either of us is making that point. We have simply stated that neither Squiddy nor Soph have provided any evidence to prove their point. This kind of "sexualization" of a 7 year old, may not in fact, have any harmful effects on the kids mental development.
:indeed:
I see two sides to this debate: a mother has the right to raise her child how she wishes without interference, and the gift of a plastic surgery gift certificate outweighs this right by sexualizing the child at a young age and harming the child. I don't think that anyone here sees the gift as definitely good; I just don't think that Squiddy and Soph have proven their points that it's inherently a bad thing, or that it deserves intervention.
I can make a logical argument for my position. The right of a parent to choose how to raise a child is a fundamental one. (Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troxel_v._Granville) is a link to an article about a US Supreme Court case that dealt with the issue.) A child cannot make decisions for himself/herself, so someone must make those decisions. The two logical choices are the government and the child's parents (both have an interest in the welfare of the child). The government must act in the interests of everyone; it cannot give individual attention to the needs of each child (citizens must be equal in the eyes of the law). In addition, parents can be presumed to act in the child's best interests, and the government should stay out of citizens' private lives as much as possible. Thus, parents have a fundamental right to act for their children. I believe that this right should be overridden if the child is significantly harmed by the decision of a parent. Soph and Squiddy have not provided any evidence, other than bare assertions, that the gift of a plastic surgery gift certificate harms this girl enough to override her mother's right to raise her as she wishes.
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Ok then you want evidence.
Here is an article on the affect of Airbrushing on Women: http://www.helium.com/items/1703323-airbrushing-and-body-image
http://ap.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/30/3/257
That is about eating disorders and ir particular:
At the same time, rates of some eating disorders in women, such as anorexia nervosa and bulimia nervosa, are rising (3), and increasing numbers of men are seeking treatment as well (4). Patients are being referred at progressively younger ages (5). There is a significant dichotomy between society’s idealized rail-thin figure and the more typical American body. The reasons for this are complex and likely involve the interplay of media pressure to be thin, family eating and exercise patterns, and a relative surplus of non-nutritious food. Dietary restriction leads to a repetitive pattern of self-deprivation, which can result in bingeing, weight gain, and worsening self-image.
Although it is tempting to blame today’s media for perpetuating and glorifying unrealistic standards of physical beauty, the truth is far more complicated. Throughout history, the dominant political climate and cultural ideals always have shaped the public’s perception of the ideal female body type. However, today’s culture is unique in that the media (including television, Internet, movies, and print) is a far more powerful presence than ever before. This article gives examples of changing ideals over time, explores possible explanations for the relationship between obesity rates and the prevalence of eating disorders (including anorexia nervosa, bulimia nervosa, and binge eating) and identifies possible avenues for prevention and change.
Effects of Plastic Surgery on society: http://www.slideshare.net/MrG/plastic-surgery-facts-statistics-and-effects-on-society
http://www.drfpalmer.com/teenagers_and_plastic_surgery.html
Yes, I have noticed a rather disturbing trend in the past several years where teens are asking for more radical, body-altering types of Plastic and Cosmetic Surgery Procedures. Not only are there more teens seeking surgery but the teens seem to be younger and younger. In the past several years, we have been contacted, on numerous occasions, by 13 year-old’s asking for Breast Augmentation, Liposuction and major bone reshaping surgery of the face. Many of these teens have indicated that their parents approved of the surgery because they had a similar procedure at the same age.
Basically , if you brainwash a child with thinking plastic surgery is ok , there is a very high possibilty they will develop Anorexia , Bulemia etc etc , oh and are more likely to develop an addiction to plastic surgery.
I don't know why I had to point this out as due to the many news reports I would have thought both of you would have picked up on this.
Semi are you done with your self-important little tirade? ::)
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If you look how this thread started i think Soph
saw something in the paper and thought 'WTF'
so he posted the article and gave his opinion.
There is no fact of actual damage to this girl as she hasn't
grown up yet! I think you are arguing for the sake of
it (or whatever reason i am too naive, or still too new
to understand) Why are you demanding such
accuracies in facts when the OP has not indicated
replies need to be ?
Sorry but i thought this was an interesting post, and
now i don't really want to bother reading anymore
due to nit picking... i just don't get it!
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Have always had the impression Heinrich likes debating, so view debate as the point of his threads like this; sometimes I play, sometimes not.
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Semi we don't care about the US Supreme Court cases. Neither of us are american anyway
A parent should be able to raise their child as they see fit TOO AN EXTENT
A child is not an object or a toy. They are people themselves and in some extreme cases they do need protection from their own parents
Of course the kid might turn out fine. A child who's been physically abused might turn out fine as an adult too. Doesn't make it right
I don't really see what evidence we need to provide. it is wrong to try and mold your 7 year old daughter into a fucking whore
And no I am not saying getting a boob job makes you a whore, before Scrap jumps on me for that
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bodaccea - yeah that is pretty much it. Obviously there is no proof that the girl will be fucked up by this, and I really hope that she won;t be
Jack - that is the reason for a lot of my threads yeah, but this one actually wasn't intended to spark debate as I genuinely didn't think many people would disagree with me about it being terrible. that's not to say I am bothered by debate in this thread though. Just wasn't my intention
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If you look how this thread started i think Soph
saw something in the paper and thought 'WTF'
so he posted the article and gave his opinion.
There is no fact of actual damage to this girl as she hasn't
grown up yet! I think you are arguing for the sake of
it (or whatever reason i am too naive, or still too new
to understand) Why are you demanding such
accuracies in facts when the OP has not indicated
replies need to be ?
Sorry but i thought this was an interesting post, and
now i don't really want to bother reading anymore
due to nit picking... i just don't get it!
I'll just point out , it started with Scrap saying Soph was wrong because he was against this:
Soph, if you're to convince people that you're a guy, you're not legaly allowed to object to boobs. :dunno:
I didn't write that rule, I'm just pointing it out. As wrong as it is for this woman to push her daughter into plastic surgery, it's boobs were talking about here and heterosexual males must recuse themselves on this issue.
Objecting to bigger boobs just isn't allowed. :police:
My point was his ethics are severely fucked up , and Semi came in for some reason and started screaming about me making ad hominem attackss or w.e.
Hopefully this clears things up Bodie.Semi we don't care about the US Supreme Court cases. Neither of us are american anyway
A parent should be able to raise their child as they see fit TOO AN EXTENT
A child is not an object or a toy. They are people themselves and in some extreme cases they do need protection from their own parents
Of course the kid might turn out fine. A child who's been physically abused might turn out fine as an adult too. Doesn't make it right
I don't really see what evidence we need to provide. it is wrong to try and mold your 7 year old daughter into a fucking whore
And no I am not saying getting a boob job makes you a whore, before Scrap jumps on me for that
:agreed: :indeed:
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Yeah Scrap was hardly making a brilliantly backed-up argument by saying no real guys can "object to big boobs", which nobody was actually doing
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Yeah Scrap was hardly making a brilliantly backed-up argument by saying no real guys can "object to big boobs", which nobody was actually doing
So by his argument that makes me a woman because I am not attracted to boobs or anything remotely female.
:zoinks: :vibrator: :bounce: :vibe: :nerdy:
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Jack - that is the reason for a lot of my threads yeah, but this one actually wasn't intended to spark debate as I genuinely didn't think many people would disagree with me about it being terrible. that's not to say I am bothered by debate in this thread though. Just wasn't my intention
Maybe not intended to spark debate but to be expected. There's no shortage of devil's advocates here who like debate as well and your PPR related threads usually hook at least one. Then the advocates lure in the others who also like to debate though share the other point of view. Then sometimes someone throws a sucker punch and things get rowdy.
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Jack - that is the reason for a lot of my threads yeah, but this one actually wasn't intended to spark debate as I genuinely didn't think many people would disagree with me about it being terrible. that's not to say I am bothered by debate in this thread though. Just wasn't my intention
Maybe not intended to spark debate but to be expected. There's no shortage of devil's advocates here who like debate as well and your PPR related threads usually hook at least one. Then the advocates lure in the others who also like to debate though share the other point of view. Then sometimes someone throws a sucker punch and things get rowdy.
Although to be fair , threads about the most random and non-controversial of things have sparked callouts :laugh:
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Jack - that is the reason for a lot of my threads yeah, but this one actually wasn't intended to spark debate as I genuinely didn't think many people would disagree with me about it being terrible. that's not to say I am bothered by debate in this thread though. Just wasn't my intention
Maybe not intended to spark debate but to be expected. There's no shortage of devil's advocates here who like debate as well and your PPR related threads usually hook at least one. Then the advocates lure in the others who also like to debate though share the other point of view. Then sometimes someone throws a sucker punch and things get rowdy.
Although to be fair , threads about the most random and non-controversial of things have sparked callouts :laugh:
Yes. Wasn't intending to sound unfair about Heinrich. Debate and sucker punches can happen anywhere here, hence the expected part. That last sentence of mine could/should have ended in a :zoinks: or :viking: or :thumbup:, but didn't because that's the way I roll.
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Jack - that is the reason for a lot of my threads yeah, but this one actually wasn't intended to spark debate as I genuinely didn't think many people would disagree with me about it being terrible. that's not to say I am bothered by debate in this thread though. Just wasn't my intention
Maybe not intended to spark debate but to be expected. There's no shortage of devil's advocates here who like debate as well and your PPR related threads usually hook at least one. Then the advocates lure in the others who also like to debate though share the other point of view. Then sometimes someone throws a sucker punch and things get rowdy.
Although to be fair , threads about the most random and non-controversial of things have sparked callouts :laugh:
Yes. Wasn't intending to sound unfair about Heinrich. Debate and sucker punches can happen anywhere here, hence the expected part. That last sentence of mine could/should have ended in a :zoinks: or :viking: or :thumbup:, but didn't because that's the way I roll.
I got what you meant , don't worry. :laugh:
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just want to add that i personally think it is wrong to give a seven year old a present worth several thousand pounds. Even if you are wealthy. How much was it - £6k ? I mean that is a lot
of money, and i would say there is a risk of her turning into Verucca Salt!
...
What bothers me more than the value of the gift or even that the gift is intended to pay for a boob job when Poppy is older is that by giving a seven year a gift certificate that can be used only for cosmetic surgery when she turns 16 this implies to Poppy that she won't be good enough unless she has some sort of cosmetic surgery to fix herself. If it had been a Certificate of Deposit for £6k that could have also been spent for a car or college tuition or something else when Poppy turns 16, I don't think people would be nearly as upset by it.
I don't think that the concept of her daughter being just fine the way God made her ever dawned on someone called "the human Barbie doll" though. I think that she must feel that she's worth less if she doesn't look "perfect," at least in her mind. I must say that I think she does look pretty good to be 50 years old even if she does look too plastic.
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Soph, she seems like a saint compared to this mother and I do not mean maternal mother. At least the boy seems like he's going to have a good shot at a good life. Caution, this is not for the weak.
(http://www.chron.com/photos/2011/06/01/26694644/260xStory.jpg)The boy, Holden Gothia, lobs the baseball about 25 feet, then taunts the older boy.
"You need some lessons, young man," Holden says. "You need some lessons!"
"He's got a pretty decent arm for a little kid," another teenage brother says absent-mindedly.
The older boys have watched over Holden for so long, they have forgotten how much he has overcome since his tragic beginning.
His story, which shocked Houston four years ago, seems far behind him as he played with two of his "bubbas" on a rainy afternoon in Deer Park earlier this week.
"No rain or anything will hurt me," the untiring prekindergartener says as a brief spring storm blows through. "It can't get me; I'm tough."
His baby-sitting grandmother, Linda Gothia, agrees.
"You are tough," she says.
Watching Holden play makes it is easy to forget that this is the same child whose mother, in a drug-induced haze, severed his genitals completely on March 13, 2007. Katherine Nadal was sentenced to 99 years in prison for mutilating her son.
Holden's grandmother cautions him to stay out of the rain because of the lightning.
A camera flash goes off, capturing the boy's Cheshire grin as he plots.
He looks to the sky and looks at his Nanna. He's not afraid of the lightning.
"That was just flashes from God's camera," he pleads.
His grandmother's eyes well up when she talks about how Holden almost died when he was 5 weeks old. She wipes her eyes as she talks about the daylong musical benefit held earlier this month to raise money for his medical expenses.
"It's like a shower-bath," he says, edging toward the puddles forming in the backyard, unafraid.
The boy's brown hair, straight but for a cowlick, frames dark brown eyes. Holden is still flush with the excitement of the concert in his honor. He took the stage to play his drum kit for the crowd at the coliseum in Lake Charles, La.
The 4-year-old did not understand that hundreds of people were working to raise money toward the half-million-dollar reconstructive surgery he will undergo when he turns 8.
In a blue shirt and blue plaid shorts, he steps deliberately from the protection of the porch into the puddle, rain drizzling on his head.
He starts kicking the water, splashing it up on himself as he works to not hear his grandmother's admonitions. He puts his hands to his sides and shuffles, imitating the penguins in Happy Feet, a favorite animated film.
"It's too late," his grandmother says, resigned to watching the boy soak himself as he makes endless laps through the puddle.
"Wheeee!" he shouts, celebrating a burst of water streaming off the roof.
He hands his glasses to his grandmother and goes straight for the deluge overflowing the gutter.
"It's a waterfall!" he exclaims to his adoptive siblings in the backyard of their red-brick house, nestled in a quiet cul-de-sac.
"Come on, Stinky-bones," he says, taunting his 17-year-old brother, Parker DeShazo, to join him in the rain.
"I love him," the teen says as he abandons his shoes to tickle the little boy in the rain.
Holden was adopted by his aunt, Patches DeShazo, and her husband, Kent, after the assault. The boy has lived with his three cousins as brothers since he was an infant.
Patches' brother, Camden Gothia, is Holden's father, and he still sees the boy regularly.
Holden will have hormone treatments for the rest of his life, but his family hopes the reconstructive surgery will give him a chance at a more normal life.
They also are working to see that his past does not define him.
"Our perspective is that if we treat it as something to be ashamed of, he will be ashamed - no matter what words we use otherwise," DeShazo explained. "We're treating it as an injury he got, clearly through no fault of his own, like losing a hand or a foot."
She points out that Holden's name and story can easily be found online - his anonymity is gone. DeShazo wants people who remember the tragedy to know how well Holden is doing.
"I'd rather have something positive in those searches," she said. "Make the most recent stories the good stories."
DeShazo also hopes the tragedy will help others.
"His story is his story, and, as horrible as it is, I truly believe it will be hugely important to other people," she said. "He's an inspiration. It's an inspirational story."
His family created a charitable foundation to raise money for the boy. They hope Heroes for Holden will grow into an organization that helps cover medical expenses for other children.
Before deciding to make Holden the poster child for the foundation or to field questions from reporters, they consulted several mental health professionals about his future. They still struggle with some of those dilemmas.
"We're just feeling our way through trying to do what's best for Holden," she said. "There isn't anybody to pick up the phone and call and ask what they did in this situation."
Treating Holden has meant myriad surgeries, including one recently to help him walk. His femoral artery was severed in the assault. He continues to have problems with the leg and probably will wear a leg brace until he stops growing.
On this rainy day, the brace is getting a workout.
Holden is intent on his brothers lifting him high enough so he can dunk a basketball. "Let me. Let me. Let me," he says. "Please?"
He has played sports with them since he was a toddler.
"He thinks that whatever they can do, he can do," his grandmother says. "And he tries."
After the storm passes, the little boy rallies his team.
"I'm ready to go play basketball, Bubbas," he calls over his shoulder as he flies out the back door.
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@ Callaway.
I agree. Also yeah the mom does look good for her
age. Read somewhere she has spent £500k on plastic
surgery...i would want to look good if i spent that kinda money too!
@QV
That is a terrible story. It didn't say why? why did she do that?
Sounds like a gutsy little boy - i hope his treatment works out for him.
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@ Callaway.
I agree. Also yeah the mom does look good for her
age. Read somewhere she has spent £500k on plastic
surgery...i would want to look good if i spent that kinda money too!
@QV
That is a terrible story. It didn't say why? why did she do that?
Sounds like a gutsy little boy - i hope his treatment works out for him.
It says "a drug induced haze" which is the nicest way I guess they could put it.
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@ Callaway.
I agree. Also yeah the mom does look good for her
age. Read somewhere she has spent £500k on plastic
surgery...i would want to look good if i spent that kinda money too!
@QV
That is a terrible story. It didn't say why? why did she do that?
Sounds like a gutsy little boy - i hope his treatment works out for him.
I Googled her and apparently she blamed it on the dog, saying that the miniature dachschund bit the baby's genitals off.
It also said that she had been arguing with the baby's dad about whether or not to have the baby circumcised.
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@ Callaway.
I agree. Also yeah the mom does look good for her
age. Read somewhere she has spent £500k on plastic
surgery...i would want to look good if i spent that kinda money too!
@QV
That is a terrible story. It didn't say why? why did she do that?
Sounds like a gutsy little boy - i hope his treatment works out for him.
I Googled her and apparently she blamed it on the dog, saying that the miniature dachschund bit the baby's genitals off.
It also said that she had been arguing with the baby's dad about whether or not to have the baby circumcised.
Not to be flippant, but I hope she's wasn't planning a career as a mohel.
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Babies shouldn't be circumcised
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Babies shouldn't be circumcised
Why? Should just leave the umbilical cord on too? :thumbup:
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Generlisations do not work , fact.
I wasn't making a generalization, I was stating a fact of how human infants are raised by their mothers. ALL of us have been brainwashed with no exceptions.
Again , if sexualisation of children is "just an opinion" why is it illegal to go and have sex with a 7 year old?
Because people with guns and badges say you can't do it. Once again, law is only force.
Law relies on fact , the Law is a fact , it is wrong to sexualise children , simple.
You mean the "fact" that it's OK to own people, the "fact" that a womans word is only worth 1/3 of a mans?? Laws are based on often stupid social constructs.
So what kind of evidence do you require?
Anything that would help prove that some kind of physical or psychological damage has actualy occured in this case.
Where have the pair of you backed yourselves up?
Neither of us has made a positive claim, therefore there's nothing to back up. All that I'm saying is that you've failed to meet YOUR burden of proof.
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Ok then you want evidence.
Here is an article on the affect of Airbrushing on Women: http://www.helium.com/items/1703323-airbrushing-and-body-image
http://ap.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/30/3/257
That is about eating disorders and ir particular:
At the same time, rates of some eating disorders in women, such as anorexia nervosa and bulimia nervosa, are rising (3), and increasing numbers of men are seeking treatment as well (4). Patients are being referred at progressively younger ages (5). There is a significant dichotomy between society’s idealized rail-thin figure and the more typical American body. The reasons for this are complex and likely involve the interplay of media pressure to be thin, family eating and exercise patterns, and a relative surplus of non-nutritious food. Dietary restriction leads to a repetitive pattern of self-deprivation, which can result in bingeing, weight gain, and worsening self-image.
Although it is tempting to blame today’s media for perpetuating and glorifying unrealistic standards of physical beauty, the truth is far more complicated. Throughout history, the dominant political climate and cultural ideals always have shaped the public’s perception of the ideal female body type. However, today’s culture is unique in that the media (including television, Internet, movies, and print) is a far more powerful presence than ever before. This article gives examples of changing ideals over time, explores possible explanations for the relationship between obesity rates and the prevalence of eating disorders (including anorexia nervosa, bulimia nervosa, and binge eating) and identifies possible avenues for prevention and change.
Effects of Plastic Surgery on society: http://www.slideshare.net/MrG/plastic-surgery-facts-statistics-and-effects-on-society
http://www.drfpalmer.com/teenagers_and_plastic_surgery.html
Yes, I have noticed a rather disturbing trend in the past several years where teens are asking for more radical, body-altering types of Plastic and Cosmetic Surgery Procedures. Not only are there more teens seeking surgery but the teens seem to be younger and younger. In the past several years, we have been contacted, on numerous occasions, by 13 year-old’s asking for Breast Augmentation, Liposuction and major bone reshaping surgery of the face. Many of these teens have indicated that their parents approved of the surgery because they had a similar procedure at the same age.
Basically , if you brainwash a child with thinking plastic surgery is ok , there is a very high possibilty they will develop Anorexia , Bulemia etc etc , oh and are more likely to develop an addiction to plastic surgery.
I don't know why I had to point this out as due to the many news reports I would have thought both of you would have picked up on this.
This is the first thing you've said that resembles a logical argument. Congratulations Mollusk! :clap:
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Yeah Scrap was hardly making a brilliantly backed-up argument by saying no real guys can "object to big boobs", which nobody was actually doing
So by his argument that makes me a woman because I am not attracted to boobs or anything remotely female.
:zoinks: :vibrator: :bounce: :vibe: :nerdy:
I was taking the piss. Excuse me for thinking you'd be smart enough to pick up on that. ::)
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Once again , late to the party , wrong as always. :thumbup:
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Once again , late to the party , wrong as always. :thumbup:
More opinion stated as fact. :wanker:
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Once again , late to the party , wrong as always. :thumbup:
More opinion stated as fact. :wanker:
I'm annoying you I see. :lol:
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Once again , late to the party , wrong as always. :thumbup:
More opinion stated as fact. :wanker:
I'm annoying you I see. :lol:
No, you fail at that too. :hahaha:
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Once again , late to the party , wrong as always. :thumbup:
More opinion stated as fact. :wanker:
I'm annoying you I see. :lol:
No, you fail at that too. :hahaha:
I would be failing if that was what I was trying to do.
But given your current responses to me , it is obvious you are getting annoyed. :thumbup:
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Once again , late to the party , wrong as always. :thumbup:
More opinion stated as fact. :wanker:
I'm annoying you I see. :lol:
No, you fail at that too. :hahaha:
I would be failing if that was what I was trying to do.
But given your current responses to me , it is obvious you are getting annoyed. :thumbup:
Asphinctersayswhat??
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Once again , late to the party , wrong as always. :thumbup:
More opinion stated as fact. :wanker:
I'm annoying you I see. :lol:
No, you fail at that too. :hahaha:
I would be failing if that was what I was trying to do.
But given your current responses to me , it is obvious you are getting annoyed. :thumbup:
Asphinctersayswhat??
:lol: thanks for proving my point Scrap , on more than one occasion.
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Once again , late to the party , wrong as always. :thumbup:
More opinion stated as fact. :wanker:
I'm annoying you I see. :lol:
No, you fail at that too. :hahaha:
I would be failing if that was what I was trying to do.
But given your current responses to me , it is obvious you are getting annoyed. :thumbup:
Asphinctersayswhat??
:lol: thanks for proving my point Scrap , on more than one occasion.
:yawn:
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Once again , late to the party , wrong as always. :thumbup:
More opinion stated as fact. :wanker:
I'm annoying you I see. :lol:
No, you fail at that too. :hahaha:
I would be failing if that was what I was trying to do.
But given your current responses to me , it is obvious you are getting annoyed. :thumbup:
Asphinctersayswhat??
:lol: thanks for proving my point Scrap , on more than one occasion.
:yawn:
:2thumbsup:
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are you two gonna do the sex or something?
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are you two gonna do the sex or something?
I would but evidently I should have gotten a boob job when I was 16 to make me fuckable. :(
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it's not too late! go and ask your mum for the money! NOW!!!
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Babies shouldn't be circumcised
Why not?
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it's not too late! go and ask your mum for the money! NOW!!!
But my mother isn't addicted to plastic surgery and is aware of the damaging effects of promoting plastic surgery to children. :(
I wish I had an awesome mother like this girls :zoinks:
(Admittedly I wouldn't mind the nail painting part :orly:)
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it's not too late! go and ask your mum for the money! NOW!!!
But my mother isn't addicted to plastic surgery and is aware of the damaging effects of promoting plastic surgery to children. :(
I wish I had an awesome mother like this girls :zoinks:
(Admittedly I wouldn't mind the nail painting part :orly:)
I took my daughter to get a manicure before and I have also done them at home with her. She likes unusual colors of nail polish and I also bought her a kit with many colors for painting designs on her nails.
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it's not too late! go and ask your mum for the money! NOW!!!
But my mother isn't addicted to plastic surgery and is aware of the damaging effects of promoting plastic surgery to children. :(
I wish I had an awesome mother like this girls :zoinks:
(Admittedly I wouldn't mind the nail painting part :orly:)
I took my daughter to get a manicure before and I have also done them at home with her. She likes unusual colors of nail polish and I also bought her a kit with many colors for painting designs on her nails.
Nail painting is fine , and I believe studies have proven that mother and daughter time is usually spent learning make-up and that this is actually helpful to their development.
I like unusual shades of Nail Varnish too :laugh: , my oddest one is this colour:
(http://eastlondonfashionista.blogg.se/images/2010/barry-m-nail-paint-spring-green_77195248.jpg)
Alas I cannot use any of my varnishes , as I went OTT on using all of them and now my nails are yellow and brittle and I need to wait for them to grow out before I can continue :(
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it's not too late! go and ask your mum for the money! NOW!!!
But my mother isn't addicted to plastic surgery and is aware of the damaging effects of promoting plastic surgery to children. :(
I wish I had an awesome mother like this girls :zoinks:
(Admittedly I wouldn't mind the nail painting part :orly:)
I took my daughter to get a manicure before and I have also done them at home with her. She likes unusual colors of nail polish and I also bought her a kit with many colors for painting designs on her nails.
Nail painting is fine , and I believe studies have proven that mother and daughter time is usually spent learning make-up and that this is actually helpful to their development.
I like unusual shades of Nail Varnish too :laugh: , my oddest one is this colour:
(http://eastlondonfashionista.blogg.se/images/2010/barry-m-nail-paint-spring-green_77195248.jpg)
Alas I cannot use any of my varnishes , as I went OTT on using all of them and now my nails are yellow and brittle and I need to wait for them to grow out before I can continue :(
My daughter would absolutely love that color.
I guess her oddest color is close to this shade of blue.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_hPXoIwUPbpM/TNpK_iBE5wI/AAAAAAAACvw/xeNiu2ssw4w/s1600/DSC01180.JPG)
Did you use a base coat under your polish? Did you use a nail polish remover with acetone?
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it's not too late! go and ask your mum for the money! NOW!!!
But my mother isn't addicted to plastic surgery and is aware of the damaging effects of promoting plastic surgery to children. :(
I wish I had an awesome mother like this girls :zoinks:
(Admittedly I wouldn't mind the nail painting part :orly:)
I took my daughter to get a manicure before and I have also done them at home with her. She likes unusual colors of nail polish and I also bought her a kit with many colors for painting designs on her nails.
Nail painting is fine , and I believe studies have proven that mother and daughter time is usually spent learning make-up and that this is actually helpful to their development.
I like unusual shades of Nail Varnish too :laugh: , my oddest one is this colour:
(http://eastlondonfashionista.blogg.se/images/2010/barry-m-nail-paint-spring-green_77195248.jpg)
Alas I cannot use any of my varnishes , as I went OTT on using all of them and now my nails are yellow and brittle and I need to wait for them to grow out before I can continue :(
My daughter would absolutely love that color.
I guess her oddest color is close to this shade of blue.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_hPXoIwUPbpM/TNpK_iBE5wI/AAAAAAAACvw/xeNiu2ssw4w/s1600/DSC01180.JPG)
Did you use a base coat under your polish? Did you use a nail polish remover with acetone?
Always use a base coat and my remover is acetone free.
It's simply that I've just suffocated my nails :laugh: