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Title: How many here are believers?
Post by: Calavera on February 24, 2011, 06:31:13 AM
Judging from the tone of this forum, I doubt there are religious people here .. although I could be wrong on that. But how many here are not atheists and actually believe there is some god out there?
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: "couldbecousin" on February 24, 2011, 06:32:06 AM
I'm an agnostic rather than an atheist, if that's helpful.   :dunno:
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: RageBeoulve on February 24, 2011, 06:32:29 AM
Goddamn. No.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: PuppetSockPenguin on February 24, 2011, 06:55:19 AM
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I'm an agnostic
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: bodie on February 24, 2011, 06:59:13 AM
I'm an agnostic rather than an atheist, if that's helpful.   :dunno:

what is the difference between agnostic and athiest?

i sometimes envy people with a 'faith'  it must be comforting at times, especially if someone dies, to believe in God and heaven and all that -  but no i dont believe
in anything.  
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: "couldbecousin" on February 24, 2011, 07:01:26 AM
I'm an agnostic rather than an atheist, if that's helpful.   :dunno:

what is the difference between agnostic and athiest?

i sometimes envy people with a 'faith'  it must be comforting at times, especially if someone dies, to believe in God and heaven and all that -  but no i dont believe
in anything.  

If I were *sure* there was no god, I'd be an atheist. I'm an agnostic because I don't believe we can know for sure one way or the other.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: RageBeoulve on February 24, 2011, 07:11:13 AM
Faith is primitive.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: 'Butterflies' on February 24, 2011, 08:07:50 AM
I'm absolutely athiest.

There are several non-athiests on the site.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: RageBeoulve on February 24, 2011, 08:11:52 AM
I'm struggling not to rant about what a waste of time religion is.  >:(

Mmmmgh!
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Squidusa on February 24, 2011, 08:12:33 AM
I'm struggling not to rant about what a waste of time religion is.  >:(

Mmmmgh!

*Duct tapes Rages mouth shut*

There we go , no need to struggle now  :zoinks:
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: on February 24, 2011, 08:40:58 AM
One day, your parents will tell you the truth about the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus.

And on that day, I want you to remember everything they told you about God and Jesus.

Also, lolimaginaryfriends.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: bodie on February 24, 2011, 08:44:58 AM
One day, your parents will tell you the truth about the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus.

And on that day, I want you to remember everything they told you about God and Jesus.

Also, lolimaginaryfriends.


But,   the TOOTH FAIRY is real,  right???? :zoinks:
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: RageBeoulve on February 24, 2011, 08:46:25 AM
At least santa and the easter bunny are harmless figments. There have been murders, wars, and even genocide over stupid deities. Makes me puke in my mouth a little every time I think about it.

People are retarded.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: lutra on February 24, 2011, 08:48:10 AM
Pretty sure man created god in 'his' own image and not the other way around. Quite delusional stuff, imo..
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: RageBeoulve on February 24, 2011, 08:49:48 AM
Honestly, when you get right down to the knitty gritty, religion is just an excuse to be an asshole.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Frolic_Fun on February 24, 2011, 08:52:03 AM
Agnostic, but I firmly think there isn't a "god" out there. It's more what happens after you die and such. I don't believe there's a heaven or hell and I'll accept it may be just blackness, but there could be something. :dunno:
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: bodie on February 24, 2011, 08:52:36 AM
At least santa and the easter bunny are harmless figments. There have been murders, wars, and even genocide over stupid deities. Makes me puke in my mouth a little every time I think about it.

People are retarded.
:agreed:

many a vile act been committed in the name of religion

pathetic people need a 'faith' as they have none in themselves,  then use it to hide behind because they sat on their arse all their life and not done the things
they really wanted to

like as if they will get karma in their other life
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: RageBeoulve on February 24, 2011, 08:54:07 AM
At least santa and the easter bunny are harmless figments. There have been murders, wars, and even genocide over stupid deities. Makes me puke in my mouth a little every time I think about it.

People are retarded.
:agreed:

many a vile act been committed in the name of religion

pathetic people need a 'faith' as they have none in themselves,  then use it to hide behind because they sat on their arse all their life and not done the things
they really wanted to

like as if they will get karma in their other life

Thats what I always say. People should try standing on their own feet, rather than making up some magic daddy to depend on.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: bodie on February 24, 2011, 08:55:52 AM
ok will someone show 'god willing'  and get me off this 69 karma crap

perleeeease
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: RageBeoulve on February 24, 2011, 09:00:53 AM
ok will someone show 'god willing'  and get me off this 69 karma crap

perleeeease

No prob. Now you can experience it all over again!  :minusevil:

Baaaahahahaha
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: bodie on February 24, 2011, 09:04:15 AM
ok will someone show 'god willing'  and get me off this 69 karma crap

perleeeease

No prob. Now you can experience it all over again!  :minusevil:

Baaaahahahaha

haha  and may the good lord strike you down.... :lol:
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: RageBeoulve on February 24, 2011, 09:06:25 AM
I AM the lord.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZGMfZju2EOE/SWWUghx4kmI/AAAAAAAAAHs/-_kg7AAk2HM/s400/religslogic.jpg)
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: RageBeoulve on February 24, 2011, 09:21:29 AM
Moar.

(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTo4lUOmYGTNTnWknh6AACu30RLizm-F_tjP3uKLwIhDWsHjHqQxA&t=1)(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YqNdVQsH0IM/TUmA7HSvNKI/AAAAAAAANLg/zBPJwsBgviY/s1600/imagine-no-religion-towers.jpg)(http://kirstyne.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/addis-religion-war-cartoon.jpg)(http://www.bant-shirts.com/images/photos/my-religion-595.jpg)(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2687/religionmotivational.jpg)(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT4mrE6OEKaSiR09ZDFhrTMBtfGJqVHTgQj0nF1isNRH8aARnAa&t=1)(http://imgsrv.itm-6011.com/image/wtmt/UserFiles/Image/religion.jpg)
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: bodie on February 24, 2011, 09:31:23 AM
that was a big un :thumbup:
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: on February 24, 2011, 09:37:29 AM
One day, your parents will tell you the truth about the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus.

And on that day, I want you to remember everything they told you about God and Jesus.

Also, lolimaginaryfriends.


But,   the TOOTH FAIRY is real,  right???? :zoinks:

Yeah, she's about as real as Silicon Heaven.

Afterall, where else would all the calculators go?
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: RageBeoulve on February 24, 2011, 09:42:11 AM
I know what happens when you die, anyway.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: on February 24, 2011, 09:44:50 AM
I know what happens when you die, anyway.

Worms; OMNOMNOM
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: RageBeoulve on February 24, 2011, 09:55:20 AM
I know what happens when you die, anyway.

Worms; OMNOMNOM

I mean "where you go". There is a temporary awareness, but it sort of fades out.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: ProfessorFarnsworth on February 24, 2011, 09:58:40 AM
One day, your parents will tell you the truth about the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus.

And on that day, I want you to remember everything they told you about God and Jesus.

Also, lolimaginaryfriends.


But,   the TOOTH FAIRY is real,  right???? :zoinks:

Yeah, she's about as real as Silicon Heaven.

Afterall, where else would all the calculators go?

They, just... Die.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Semicolon on February 24, 2011, 10:09:11 AM
I'm struggling not to rant about what a waste of time religion is.  >:(

Mmmmgh!

*Duct tapes Rages mouth shut*

There we go , no need to struggle now  :zoinks:

If you tape Rage's mouth shut, he can't use it for other activities. ;)
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: RageBeoulve on February 24, 2011, 10:18:29 AM
I'm struggling not to rant about what a waste of time religion is.  >:(

Mmmmgh!

*Duct tapes Rages mouth shut*

There we go , no need to struggle now  :zoinks:

If you tape Rage's mouth shut, he can't use it for other activities. ;)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/threejane/derp.jpg)
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Squidusa on February 24, 2011, 11:07:47 AM
If you tape Rage's mouth shut, he can't use it for other activities. ;)

Who says it's his mouth that'll be in use?  ;) :eyelash:

I'm struggling not to rant about what a waste of time religion is.  >:(

Mmmmgh!

*Duct tapes Rages mouth shut*

There we go , no need to struggle now  :zoinks:

If you tape Rage's mouth shut, he can't use it for other activities. ;)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/threejane/derp.jpg)

:rofl:
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Adam on February 24, 2011, 11:13:45 AM
I am definitely atheist. I don't understand how anyone can be religious in the 21st century
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: eris on February 24, 2011, 01:00:16 PM
I am certainly Atheist.

In fact, I'm not too sure of the validity of tangible reality, period.


I was raised Catholic, but never believed and was kinda blasphemous as a young person. Then in college I studies philosophy, meaning I studied religion profusely. I even studied Crowley a bit, just out of curiosity  (underneath all the spooky ghost nonsense it is all about communicating with your higher self, but it is really all a load of shit. I can convince myself of things in better ways )


I think that lots of good people really really try hard, and they were raised with something they could trust in. As long as they mean no harm to others I cant blame someone for wanting to believe in something.

Ive read about people going into "trances" , though. Sometimes though self injury, sometimes though transcendental meditation. And the "speaking in tongues" phenomenon always fascinated me.... I kinda think that is how animals communicate, but that is another topic.

what is that ? I think that it is not experiencing "god" , I think they are experiencing "Self"

Hopefully when I die, It'll be warm :) But, no I am not religious ...
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: 'Butterflies' on February 24, 2011, 01:01:34 PM
I'm struggling not to rant about what a waste of time religion is.  >:(

Mmmmgh!

*Duct tapes Rages mouth shut*

There we go , no need to struggle now  :zoinks:

If you tape Rage's mouth shut, he can't use it for other activities. ;)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/threejane/derp.jpg)

Is it just me, or does that guy look like an even more retarded version of Simon Cowall?
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Adam on February 24, 2011, 01:26:14 PM
haha that's what I thought too
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Icequeen on February 24, 2011, 01:30:06 PM
Organized religion to me is just a bunch of people fighting over who's imaginary friend has the best perks.

Do it my way and you'll get to heaven, do it his way and you'll burn in hell.

I don't believe in god (not the way they portray one anyways), I don't believe in heaven or hell.



Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: renaeden on February 24, 2011, 10:38:44 PM
If you speak to god, you are praying. If god speaks to you, you are schizophrenic.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Scrapheap on February 24, 2011, 11:01:49 PM
If you speak to god, you are praying. If god speaks to you, you are schizophrenic.

:LMAO:
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: ProfessorFarnsworth on February 24, 2011, 11:54:27 PM
If you speak to god, you are praying. If god speaks to you, you are schizophrenic.

 :plus:

Very true.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Calavera on February 25, 2011, 02:33:19 AM
Honestly, when you get right down to the knitty gritty, religion is just an excuse to be an asshole.

Just like Asperger's ;)

But seriously, you're right. Religion is a big waste of time. As an agnostic deist, I personally choose to believe that there is a God out there, but I wouldn't know if he truly exists.

No heaven/hell for me, though. Just God.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Calavera on February 25, 2011, 02:42:17 AM
In fact, I'm not too sure of the validity of tangible reality, period.

We could never be too sure about anything. That's why we should always take the most reasonable approaches. Believing that you don't exist would be as reasonable as believing that you won't die at all if you were to stand in a dreamy manner in the middle of the train track while a train approaches you speedily and runs you over into several pieces.

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I think that lots of good people really really try hard, and they were raised with something they could trust in. As long as they mean no harm to others I cant blame someone for wanting to believe in something.

True.

And as the "speaking in tongues" bit, I believe it's just people speaking plain gibberish. Easy for me to understand.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Calavera on February 25, 2011, 02:44:39 AM
If you speak to god, you are praying. If god speaks to you, you are schizophrenic.

Nice one. I've always thought Moses, Jesus, and the other prophets either had schizophrenia or they had narcissistic personality disorders.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Squidusa on February 25, 2011, 07:11:31 AM
If you speak to god, you are praying. If god speaks to you, you are schizophrenic.


:rofl:  :plus:

I'm sigging that  :zoinks:
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: renaeden on February 25, 2011, 07:34:23 AM
^You are welcome to. :)


Oh I forgot to answer the original question. No, I am not a believer. I like to see things to believe them.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: eris on February 25, 2011, 11:20:02 PM
In fact, I'm not too sure of the validity of tangible reality, period.

We could never be too sure about anything. That's why we should always take the most reasonable approaches. Believing that you don't exist would be as reasonable as believing that you won't die at all if you were to stand in a dreamy manner in the middle of the train track while a train approaches you speedily and runs you over into several pieces.

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I think that lots of good people really really try hard, and they were raised with something they could trust in. As long as they mean no harm to others I cant blame someone for wanting to believe in something.

True.

And as the "speaking in tongues" bit, I believe it's just people speaking plain gibberish. Easy for me to understand.



no, it's not reasonable, but I don't think anything about "faith" is reasonable. I just like to think about stuff.


but with the speaking in tongues bit ... I actually talked to someone who had the experience. They just make noises, but it is like a direct connection or something. It is like speaking without words.

idk, to "believe" in something, seems unreasonable to me too :)
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: RageBeoulve on February 25, 2011, 11:23:20 PM
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In fact, I'm not too sure of the validity of tangible reality, period.

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no, it's not reasonable, but I don't think anything about "faith" is reasonable. I just like to think about stuff.

Agreed, eris. You're on to something, i'll tell you that much. Its all too interconnected, and there are too many layers. Reality doesn't make any sense in the slightest.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Osensitive1 on February 25, 2011, 11:31:30 PM
Those who speak in tongues believe it to be a holy language. There are the speakers and the interpreters.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: RageBeoulve on February 25, 2011, 11:32:57 PM
Those who speak in tongues believe it to be a holy language. There are the speakers and the interpreters.

The speakers and interpeters are both full of shit. They WANT to believe that if they just make a bunch of random noises that it is a holy language. It isn't.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Osensitive1 on February 25, 2011, 11:39:35 PM
My post lent no statement to credibility; just adding to eris' explanation of the topic of tongues.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: RageBeoulve on February 25, 2011, 11:41:05 PM
My post lent no statement to credibility; just adding to eris' explanation of the topic of tongues.

Me too.  ;)
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Diesel on February 26, 2011, 06:10:35 PM
Agnostic, but I firmly think there isn't a "god" out there. It's more what happens after you die and such. I don't believe there's a heaven or hell and I'll accept it may be just blackness, but there could be something. :dunno:


^
^
^

This
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: ZEGH8578 on March 01, 2011, 01:06:14 PM
atheist.

you shoulda made this a poll.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Calavera on March 25, 2011, 06:04:30 AM
You're right. I shoulda done that.

But anyway, just as I thought, most here are atheists/agnostics/deists. Must be very lonely here without the fundamentalist Christians and Muslims. :angel:
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: on March 25, 2011, 06:56:07 AM
You're right. I shoulda done that.

But anyway, just as I thought, most here are atheists/agnostics/deists. Must be very lonely here without the fundamentalist Christians and Muslims. :angel:

Andnothingofvaluewaslost

Seriously, I run a forum that is several times the size of this one. My least favourite members, right after spammers (banned 1788 of them today, yayness  :yawn:) are the fundies. They bring their backwardsass beliefs into EVERYTHING. Worse yet, I can't ban them just for being fundies, I have to wait for them to slip up and attack someone.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Squidusa on March 25, 2011, 11:58:13 AM
You're right. I shoulda done that.

But anyway, just as I thought, most here are atheists/agnostics/deists. Must be very lonely here without the fundamentalist Christians and Muslims. :angel:

Andnothingofvaluewaslost

Seriously, I run a forum that is several times the size of this one. My least favourite members, right after spammers (banned 1788 of them today, yayness  :yawn:) are the fundies. They bring their backwardsass beliefs into EVERYTHING. Worse yet, I can't ban them just for being fundies, I have to wait for them to slip up and attack someone.

I'll pray for you tonight  :zoinks:
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: midlifeaspie on March 25, 2011, 01:31:42 PM
You're right. I shoulda done that.

Still can.

<------ not a "believer"
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: eris on March 25, 2011, 02:02:23 PM

I'll pray for you tonight  :zoinks:



lol :rofl:
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Icequeen on March 25, 2011, 02:18:41 PM
This deserves a repost.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3mDLsyn6ns
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: "couldbecousin" on March 25, 2011, 05:31:40 PM
You're right. I shoulda done that.

But anyway, just as I thought, most here are atheists/agnostics/deists. Must be very lonely here without the fundamentalist Christians and Muslims. :angel:

Andnothingofvaluewaslost

Seriously, I run a forum that is several times the size of this one. My least favourite members, right after spammers (banned 1788 of them today, yayness  :yawn:) are the fundies. They bring their backwardsass beliefs into EVERYTHING. Worse yet, I can't ban them just for being fundies, I have to wait for them to slip up and attack someone.

1788 spammers?! Why so many? What an awful day.  :zombiefuck:
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Semicolon on March 25, 2011, 08:30:37 PM
You're right. I shoulda done that.

But anyway, just as I thought, most here are atheists/agnostics/deists. Must be very lonely here without the fundamentalist Christians and Muslims. :angel:

Andnothingofvaluewaslost

Seriously, I run a forum that is several times the size of this one. My least favourite members, right after spammers (banned 1788 of them today, yayness  :yawn:) are the fundies. They bring their backwardsass beliefs into EVERYTHING. Worse yet, I can't ban them just for being fundies, I have to wait for them to slip up and attack someone.

1788 spammers?! Why so many? What an awful day.  :zombiefuck:

Indeed. I2 only has 467 spammers. ;)
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: midlifeaspie on March 25, 2011, 08:35:37 PM
You're right. I shoulda done that.

But anyway, just as I thought, most here are atheists/agnostics/deists. Must be very lonely here without the fundamentalist Christians and Muslims. :angel:

Andnothingofvaluewaslost

Seriously, I run a forum that is several times the size of this one. My least favourite members, right after spammers (banned 1788 of them today, yayness  :yawn:) are the fundies. They bring their backwardsass beliefs into EVERYTHING. Worse yet, I can't ban them just for being fundies, I have to wait for them to slip up and attack someone.

1788 spammers?! Why so many? What an awful day.  :zombiefuck:

Indeed. I2 only has 467 spammers. ;)

20 is a bad day for me.  1788 would take me literally all day.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Calavera on March 25, 2011, 10:13:41 PM
You're right. I shoulda done that.

Still can.

<------ not a "believer"

Are you sure that I still can with this thread? I tried the Modify bit but I see no option for polls.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: P7PSP on March 25, 2011, 10:37:15 PM
This deserves a repost.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3mDLsyn6ns
The dumb bitch on that video is really annoying. I need to get one of those Hellraiser puzzle boxes and a black candle to greet door to door hucksters with. When Hopewell Baptist Church put their shit on my door I called them up and told them to stay the hell away from my place I don't want their salvation.  >:D
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: midlifeaspie on March 25, 2011, 11:21:12 PM
You're right. I shoulda done that.

Still can.

<------ not a "believer"

Are you sure that I still can with this thread? I tried the Modify bit but I see no option for polls.

I'm not positive, no.  I did add a poll about 7 pages into my callout thread, and then changed one of the answers a few pages after that.  I assume it is the same across forums, but am very new here still and that may not be the case.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Queen Victoria on March 25, 2011, 11:48:40 PM
Yes, I believe in G_d, both in real life and here as QV since I am the Supreme Governor of the Church of England.  Which is really weird since I'm a Pete Fountain Jew in real life.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Callaway on March 26, 2011, 01:08:48 AM
You're right. I shoulda done that.

Still can.

<------ not a "believer"

Are you sure that I still can with this thread? I tried the Modify bit but I see no option for polls.

Do you have an add poll button at the bottom right side of the page?
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Calavera on March 26, 2011, 04:45:50 AM
Poll added. Thanks, Callaway. :2thumbsup:

Start voting!
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: P7PSP on March 26, 2011, 08:54:54 AM
Poll added. Thanks, Callaway. :2thumbsup:

Start voting!
:plus: For despazzing long enough to make a poll.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Leto729 on March 27, 2011, 09:11:56 PM
Proving or disproving something hard to do.

Is there a God or not.

Ask this what caused a singularity that caused the Big Bang then.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Calavera on March 28, 2011, 12:45:06 AM
That's actually a good question. Makes you think.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Calavera on March 28, 2011, 12:46:50 AM
Just as I'm thinking. Most of the members here happen to be atheists. That also makes you wonder.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: bodie on March 28, 2011, 09:31:46 AM
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/missteresabrown/jokes/sausage.jpg?t=1301325913)
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: 'andersom' on March 28, 2011, 10:36:51 AM
I'm a member of a church. Paper member in this village. There has been a town where I was really active too. I belong to a mainstream church. Country wise the variety of members and congregations within this church is huge. Fundies, sure. Atheist vicar, and not hiding that, yeah, that too. The range of members of the church I belong to is that big. I'm not a fundie. Never was. Was the kid that got into arguments with the old-fashioned rigid vicar of the congregation all the time. The vicar even told my parents it would not be a bad thing if I missed the church classes.  :asthing: Doubt is a core thing in my being religious. I think he was afraid I would infect the other kids too.

But, christianity is the language I am raised in to talk about hope, about resistance, about acceptance. And I have seen others crush hope, oppress and hate, using the same basic christian words. It's what people do with a religion that matters.

Can't change the language I am raised in. It is part of my culture. I'm not the average christian, never will be. For me, a dogma only has importance, seen from the questions people had when they thought up that dogma. The dogma itself is not important at all.


When I see things about religion on a forum, I am amazed on how much it differs per country.
A documentary on Madalyn Murray O'Hair I saw a couple of years ago really shocked me. I could not imagine a hate against atheists like that. Makes no sense.
But, after seeing that documentary, I did get a bit more why some debates on religion were that heated.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: RageBeoulve on March 28, 2011, 10:41:34 AM
Dogma holds no meaning in my eyes. ;)
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Adam on March 28, 2011, 11:16:13 AM

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lie5rwzdOX1qzq81yo1_500.jpg)
  :)
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: 'Butterflies' on March 28, 2011, 12:46:17 PM


When I see things about religion on a forum, I am amazed on how much it differs per country.


Me too. A lot of the American Christians are very fundie. A lot of them believe the earth is less than 10000 years old, and have other crazy views. Attending church in America seems common for Christians.

I've only known 1 person like that, and everyone agreed he was a total freak. Most of the Scottish Christians are very liberal. I grew up around a lot of Catholics and it was rare to meet any that regularly attended church, or had any interest in religion at all.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: on March 28, 2011, 12:48:41 PM
You're right. I shoulda done that.

But anyway, just as I thought, most here are atheists/agnostics/deists. Must be very lonely here without the fundamentalist Christians and Muslims. :angel:

Andnothingofvaluewaslost

Seriously, I run a forum that is several times the size of this one. My least favourite members, right after spammers (banned 1788 of them today, yayness  :yawn:) are the fundies. They bring their backwardsass beliefs into EVERYTHING. Worse yet, I can't ban them just for being fundies, I have to wait for them to slip up and attack someone.

1788 spammers?! Why so many? What an awful day.  :zombiefuck:

Indeed. I2 only has 467 spammers. ;)

20 is a bad day for me.  1788 would take me literally all day.

I just banned the ISPs (Indian, Chinese, Philipino and one from Singapore) and had Gareth do a batch operation - if posts = 0 then remove signature and blank profile.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Adam on March 28, 2011, 12:51:05 PM

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lie5rwzdOX1qzq81yo1_500.jpg)
  :)
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: 'andersom' on March 28, 2011, 03:04:31 PM


When I see things about religion on a forum, I am amazed on how much it differs per country.


Me too. A lot of the American Christians are very fundie. A lot of them believe the earth is less than 10000 years old, and have other crazy views. Attending church in America seems common for Christians.

I've only known 1 person like that, and everyone agreed he was a total freak. Most of the Scottish Christians are very liberal. I grew up around a lot of Catholics and it was rare to meet any that regularly attended church, or had any interest in religion at all.

Atheists in the US seem to be more fundie in general too. But when you see how they have been prosecuted, that makes sense. The believers are/were the enemy that can/could make you lose a job or things like that.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Adam on March 28, 2011, 03:58:55 PM
no such thing as a fundie atheist  :M
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Adam on March 28, 2011, 03:59:54 PM
lol who were the two  cunts who voted "Christian: Yes, I believe in God and His Son, Jesus Christ." ??
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: 'andersom' on March 28, 2011, 04:04:09 PM
no such thing as a fundie atheist  :M

As soon as someone thinks there is no truth to be found outside the truth her or she is holding on to, that is a fundie. No matter if it is religious or not.  :P
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Adam on March 28, 2011, 04:10:39 PM
Well what truth is there to be found in religion?
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: earthboundmisfit on March 28, 2011, 07:20:26 PM


Religion was created to control people.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: midlifeaspie on March 28, 2011, 09:03:10 PM
no such thing as a fundie atheist  :M

Sure there are.  People who can't stop telling everyone about how they are atheist, and how religious people are idiots/wrong/dumb (take your pick).
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Adam on March 29, 2011, 02:05:00 AM
but religious people ARE idiots/wrong/dumb (take your pick)  :M
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: P7PSP on March 29, 2011, 02:11:51 AM
but religious people ARE idiots/wrong/dumb (take your pick)  :M
Smugness of piety afflicts evangelical atheists as well as some religious people.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Callaway on March 29, 2011, 02:13:50 AM
but religious people ARE idiots/wrong/dumb (take your pick)  :M

I don't believe that.  There are parts of religions that seem pretty unbelieveable, but that doesn't make religious people idiots, wrong or dumb.

People who constantly insist that all people who belong to a certain group share some stereotyped characteristic seem ignorant and fundamentalist to me, no matter what side they take about religion.

It would be like someone insisting that all trans people are gay, no matter what evidence there is to the contrary.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Adam on March 29, 2011, 02:21:12 AM
That's totally different. That would be similar if I was saying all christians are muslim
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: P7PSP on March 29, 2011, 02:24:04 AM
It would be like someone insisting that all trans people are gay, no matter what evidence there is to the contrary.
That's totally different. That would be similar if I was saying all christians are muslim
So trans and gay are mutually exclusive?
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Adam on March 29, 2011, 02:26:15 AM
Of course not
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: ProfessorFarnsworth on March 29, 2011, 02:57:17 AM
Deist, because that's the closest option. However I believe it's the other way round, where a universe could naturally create a god-like entity over time.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: 'andersom' on March 29, 2011, 02:58:32 AM
Deist, because that's the closest option. However I believe it's the other way round, where a universe could naturally create a god-like entity over time.

I think something like that happens indeed, but not as a real entity.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Calavera on March 29, 2011, 07:09:58 AM

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lie5rwzdOX1qzq81yo1_500.jpg)
  :)

Oh, baby!

That's one reason why I can't but believe God MUST exist!
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Calavera on March 29, 2011, 07:13:56 AM
A documentary on Madalyn Murray O'Hair I saw a couple of years ago really shocked me. I could not imagine a hate against atheists like that. Makes no sense. But, after seeing that documentary, I did get a bit more why some debates on religion were that heated.

Honestly, I can see why they didn't like her much. She was quite offensive to them. But then again, it's understandable. Religion really is a joke.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Semicolon on March 29, 2011, 08:18:45 AM
but religious people ARE idiots/wrong/dumb (take your pick)  :M

It takes the same level of faith to conclude that God does not exist as it does to conclude that God does exist.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: midlifeaspie on March 29, 2011, 11:52:02 AM
but religious people ARE idiots/wrong/dumb (take your pick)  :M

The difference is between thinking it, and being unable to stop yourself from saying it every time the opportunity presents itself.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Adam on March 29, 2011, 01:17:01 PM
but religious people ARE idiots/wrong/dumb (take your pick)  :M

It takes the same level of faith to conclude that God does not exist as it does to conclude that God does exist.

So someone who doesn't believe in the tooth fairy is as crazy as someone who genuinely seriously believes in the tooth fairy and leaves their teeth under the pillow for it if they get knocked out?
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Semicolon on March 29, 2011, 01:22:30 PM
but religious people ARE idiots/wrong/dumb (take your pick)  :M

It takes the same level of faith to conclude that God does not exist as it does to conclude that God does exist.

So someone who doesn't believe in the tooth fairy is as crazy as someone who genuinely seriously believes in the tooth fairy and leaves their teeth under the pillow for it if they get knocked out?

I am not referring to behavior. I am saying that there is the same amount of proof for the existence of the tooth fairy as there is against the existence of the tooth fairy.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Adam on March 29, 2011, 01:24:33 PM
Technically yes. But if I told you there was an invisible naked woman orbiting the moon would you be "agnostic" about that? Sure, TECHNICALLY you have to be, but seriously?
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: eris on March 29, 2011, 01:25:06 PM
but religious people ARE idiots/wrong/dumb (take your pick)  :M

It takes the same level of faith to conclude that God does not exist as it does to conclude that God does exist.

So someone who doesn't believe in the tooth fairy is as crazy as someone who genuinely seriously believes in the tooth fairy and leaves their teeth under the pillow for it if they get knocked out?

I am not referring to behavior. I am saying that there is the same amount of proof for the existence of the tooth fairy as there is against the existence of the tooth fairy.





are you sure it is exactly the same ? Does it delicately balance itself out ?


There is an argument that non-existence wins, because there are many many more things that do not exist than DO exist.

So, I think there may be more reasons that god does not exist.



Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Semicolon on March 29, 2011, 01:26:26 PM
but religious people ARE idiots/wrong/dumb (take your pick)  :M

It takes the same level of faith to conclude that God does not exist as it does to conclude that God does exist.

So someone who doesn't believe in the tooth fairy is as crazy as someone who genuinely seriously believes in the tooth fairy and leaves their teeth under the pillow for it if they get knocked out?

I am not referring to behavior. I am saying that there is the same amount of proof for the existence of the tooth fairy as there is against the existence of the tooth fairy.





are you sure it is exactly the same ? Does it delicately balance itself out ?


There is an argument that non-existence wins, because there are many many more things that do not exist than DO exist.

So, I think there may be more reasons that god does not exist.





That is not self-evident.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: eris on March 29, 2011, 01:27:57 PM
there is infinite possibility in the nothingness
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Callaway on March 29, 2011, 01:30:13 PM
but religious people ARE idiots/wrong/dumb (take your pick)  :M

It takes the same level of faith to conclude that God does not exist as it does to conclude that God does exist.

So someone who doesn't believe in the tooth fairy is as crazy as someone who genuinely seriously believes in the tooth fairy and leaves their teeth under the pillow for it if they get knocked out?

I am not referring to behavior. I am saying that there is the same amount of proof for the existence of the tooth fairy as there is against the existence of the tooth fairy.





are you sure it is exactly the same ? Does it delicately balance itself out ?


There is an argument that non-existence wins, because there are many many more things that do not exist than DO exist.

So, I think there may be more reasons that god does not exist.





But there is no way to rationally prove the existence or non-existence of God, so in the end, it comes down to a question of faith.

Some people have faith in the existence of God and others have faith in God's non-existence, but neither have rational proof.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Adam on March 29, 2011, 01:31:33 PM
Obviously no one can technically PROVE there is no god. But would you take someone seriously if they believed in Santa when they were 45?
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: eris on March 29, 2011, 01:34:04 PM
I dont think everyone has "faith" that god does not exist. I don't, I just find it useless to consider. Most people in their hearts are confused about it I think.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Adam on March 29, 2011, 01:35:00 PM
I dont claim to know there is no god. Technically if you get down to it, I am agnostic. But I wouldn't seriously call myself agnostic in the same way I wouldn't seriously call myself agnostic about the flying spaghetti monster or santa
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Semicolon on March 29, 2011, 01:36:05 PM
Obviously no one can technically PROVE there is no god. But would you take someone seriously if they believed in Santa when they were 45?

Santa Claus is a cultural construct, and it is socially expected that adults will disbelieve the existence of Santa. Santa is not an appropriate analogy, because actions are attributed to Santa that were clearly done by normal humans (such as delivering presents). However, there is still as much evidence for the existence of an abstract Santa Claus as there is against the existence of an abstract Santa Claus.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: 'andersom' on March 29, 2011, 02:39:01 PM
Technically yes. But if I told you there was an invisible naked woman orbiting the moon would you be "agnostic" about that? Sure, TECHNICALLY you have to be, but seriously?

If you told me that, while being that naked invisible woman, orbiting the moon, I would not worship you if it had no meaning. Even if I was sure you existed.  :P

If it had meaning for me that this naked invisible woman, orbiting the moon, had spoken to me, I would get locked up, or at least be put on medication. Whether you existed or not.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Callaway on March 29, 2011, 03:50:56 PM
Obviously no one can technically PROVE there is no god. But would you take someone seriously if they believed in Santa when they were 45?

Santa Claus is a cultural construct, and it is socially expected that adults will disbelieve the existence of Santa. Santa is not an appropriate analogy, because actions are attributed to Santa that were clearly done by normal humans (such as delivering presents). However, there is still as much evidence for the existence of an abstract Santa Claus as there is against the existence of an abstract Santa Claus.

My husband and I told our daughter about Santa Claus some time ago.

We have a dairy here that delivers milk to an insulated box on our front porch every week and our daughter said, "There's no such thing as a milkman.  I have never seen the milkman.  Come on, admit that you and dad really buy the milk and sneak outside at night to put it in that box for me."

Does her lack of belief in the milkman imply that he doesn't really exist?

Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Adam on March 29, 2011, 04:02:56 PM
???
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: bodie on March 29, 2011, 06:15:33 PM
My perspective is a little odd, but i have always looked at it like this:


Say you are a bit of a gambler,  and down at your local bookies the regulars are taking  bets on which religion is right, and what God (if any) exists?

the odds  -  oh man they are not favourable!!
 :-\
(http://www.adherents.com/images/rel_pie.gif)
 :o
this is a very simplified chart of the major ones.  but there are hundreds, maybe thousands of religions.

so what are the odds of you being correct??  how likely is your religion to be the one representing God??

how much would you like to bet???  -  well not fookin much!

moving on... just say you placed your bet and kiss my fat ass you were right!!! the bookies got the confirmation -
your god is admitting he is a protestant/catholic/jew etc   great  :2thumbsup:

Can you then ask him please (first Q for God) what is the crack with all this praying, and going to a place of worship every day? 
it seems a bit odd to me...  the 'almighty' put us here to spend huge parts of our lives worshipping him in one way or another :screwy:  one word
comes to mind 'ego'

its a bit like me saying to you i am going to send you on an all expenses paid holiday to the maldives,  here is some sun cream, a knotted hankie for your
head...flip flops......oh..but...by the way...the catch is i want you to phone me every hour just to thank me!  and if you could spare a few words at the
dinner table...and just before bed...not to mention the ten rules i am about to send :screwy:

I think in the unlikely event that there is a god,  is he going to be concerned if i prayed every day, or if i went to a certain building to worship him in - if he is
concerned then there is going to be a hell of a big queue at the gates of hell.  Because a hell of a lot of people will have got it wrong. 
 :screwy: :screwy: :screwy:

If he does exist,  what is he thinking when he looks down at us,  all these different 'religions'  all the wars, bloodshed, murder,
all the hate, torture and vile acts in his name - all going on for years and years - all over religion...hmmm is he going to be pleased? ? ?
methinks not.     

Ask him also please (second Q for God) why doesn't he do something to stop it!! ?  could it be he is powerless, the almighty
has used all his strength impregnating josephs wife at long distance (yay an admirable feat)....
...so he has either lost his mojo, or he doesn't give a fuck!!!   

Iif i was consumed with alcohol,  or smoked off my face i might think like this

- he does exist and all those religious people are going to hell for associating with evil religious institutions,  while little old me
who has just lived without the membership, but lived a relatively decent life, trying not to harm others,  well little old me is waiting
in the smaller queue for the stairway to heaven!!!  Ha!!

Well i am not consumed with anything.  Just a straight head.  The theory abovee seems no more ridiculous to me than all those religions...
...at times i really have tried to believe,  'to have faith'  but it just never worked on me. 
I hate a lot of religions, but that doesnt mean i hate religous people - i envy them at times....
at bad times....it must be a comfort to believe in God.

All i can do is just live my life,  and make the most of it,  and try to do this without affecting others too much.  I will take my chances on my theory
above,  and if there is 'something after' and i am refused entry because i neglected to get the right 'membership' then ...hey life is a bummer!!!


"
I SURE HOPE THEY FUCK IN HELL
"


Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: "couldbecousin" on March 29, 2011, 06:18:49 PM
Obviously no one can technically PROVE there is no god. But would you take someone seriously if they believed in Santa when they were 45?

Hey, don't knock it. I'm getting awesome presents again this Christmas, what are YOU getting?   :santa:
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: midlifeaspie on March 29, 2011, 06:24:28 PM
 :plus:

That post was perfection.  I may come back in an hour and  :plus: you again :)
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: P7PSP on March 29, 2011, 06:42:32 PM
but religious people ARE idiots/wrong/dumb (take your pick)  :M

It takes the same level of faith to conclude that God does not exist as it does to conclude that God does exist.
It takes no more faith on my part to conclude there is no Yahweh/Allah/Mazda Ahura et al than it does for me to conclude that Pegasus, Cerberus, the River Styx and the Ferryman don't exist. I perceive no evidence what so ever to indicate that the Earth was built in 6 days, that the Earth had a giant flood that drowned all but less than a dozen people before Yahweh pulled the bathtub drain plug or that people used to routinely live over 800 years. The fact that millions, or billions, choose to share a common delusion does not give that delusion credibility IMO. I really like Lady Charlotte Guest's translation of The Mabinogin for entertainment but I don't believe for one minute that Rhiannon talked to the birds and directed them to bring her brothers over to avenge her honor. The idea that all stories/theories are equally credible doesn't fly with me.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: bodie on March 30, 2011, 01:07:17 AM
:plus:

That post was perfection.  I may come back in an hour and  :plus: you again :)


...so you didn't then  :lol:
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: on March 30, 2011, 02:01:14 AM
Obviously no one can technically PROVE there is no god. But would you take someone seriously if they believed in Santa when they were 45?

Santa Claus is a cultural construct, and it is socially expected that adults will disbelieve the existence of Santa. Santa is not an appropriate analogy, because actions are attributed to Santa that were clearly done by normal humans (such as delivering presents). However, there is still as much evidence for the existence of an abstract Santa Claus as there is against the existence of an abstract Santa Claus.

Religion is an equally cultural construct.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Semicolon on March 30, 2011, 06:36:22 AM
Obviously no one can technically PROVE there is no god. But would you take someone seriously if they believed in Santa when they were 45?

Santa Claus is a cultural construct, and it is socially expected that adults will disbelieve the existence of Santa. Santa is not an appropriate analogy, because actions are attributed to Santa that were clearly done by normal humans (such as delivering presents). However, there is still as much evidence for the existence of an abstract Santa Claus as there is against the existence of an abstract Santa Claus.

Religion is an equally cultural construct.

Santa Claus is often credited with events that were clearly performed by other humans (such as delivering presents). If you remove all events attributed to Santa that were actually performed by normal humans, then the abstract entity that is left has (approximately) the same amount of evidence for and against its existence.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: midlifeaspie on March 30, 2011, 09:10:14 AM
:plus:

That post was perfection.  I may come back in an hour and  :plus: you again :)


...so you didn't then  :lol:
:plus:
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: bodie on March 30, 2011, 11:52:32 AM
:plus:

That post was perfection.  I may come back in an hour and  :plus: you again :)


...so you didn't then  :lol:
:plus:

:lol: i was just being facetious
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: midlifeaspie on March 30, 2011, 12:16:23 PM
:plus:

That post was perfection.  I may come back in an hour and  :plus: you again :)


...so you didn't then  :lol:
:plus:

:lol: i was just being facetious

:plus:
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Adam on March 30, 2011, 01:15:32 PM
Santa Claus is often credited with events that were clearly performed by other humans (such as delivering presents).


God is often credited with events that were clearly performed by other humans (such as impregnating women).
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Semicolon on March 30, 2011, 01:22:06 PM
Santa Claus is often credited with events that were clearly performed by other humans (such as delivering presents).


God is often credited with events that were clearly performed by other humans (such as impregnating women).

And, as with the Santa Claus example, all such events should be excluded from consideration.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Adam on March 30, 2011, 01:34:24 PM
so if all such events are excluded from consideration with God, why not Santa?
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Semicolon on March 30, 2011, 01:35:30 PM
Obviously no one can technically PROVE there is no god. But would you take someone seriously if they believed in Santa when they were 45?

Santa Claus is a cultural construct, and it is socially expected that adults will disbelieve the existence of Santa. Santa is not an appropriate analogy, because actions are attributed to Santa that were clearly done by normal humans (such as delivering presents). However, there is still as much evidence for the existence of an abstract Santa Claus as there is against the existence of an abstract Santa Claus.

Religion is an equally cultural construct.

Santa Claus is often credited with events that were clearly performed by other humans (such as delivering presents). If you remove all events attributed to Santa that were actually performed by normal humans, then the abstract entity that is left has (approximately) the same amount of evidence for and against its existence.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Adam on March 30, 2011, 01:38:52 PM
So then that whole part of the conversation was pointless. What I said earlier still stands - believing/not believing in God is the same as believing/not beliving in Santa
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: midlifeaspie on March 30, 2011, 02:12:58 PM
So then that whole part of the conversation was pointless. What I said earlier still stands - believing/not believing in God is the same as believing/not beliving in Santa

You ignore what is probably the most important issue when it comes to religion.  Many people take great comfort from their religion, and in the end they face death without fear because of their religion.  They believe their deceased loved ones are watching over them because of their religion.  They do not mourn in the same way the non-believers do, there is no finality, there is no end.

Santa does not provide this.

I envy them sometimes.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: 'andersom' on March 30, 2011, 02:26:57 PM
So then that whole part of the conversation was pointless. What I said earlier still stands - believing/not believing in God is the same as believing/not beliving in Santa

So, what have you told your little brothers about Santa?
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Adam on March 30, 2011, 02:33:12 PM
Nothing. They'll grow out of it when they realise it's bullshit (if they haven't already)
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: bodie on March 30, 2011, 02:55:02 PM
So then that whole part of the conversation was pointless. What I said earlier still stands - believing/not believing in God is the same as believing/not beliving in Santa

You ignore what is probably the most important issue when it comes to religion.  Many people take great comfort from their religion, and in the end they face death without fear because of their religion.  They believe their deceased loved ones are watching over them because of their religion.  They do not mourn in the same way the non-believers do, there is no finality, there is no end.

Santa does not provide this.

I envy them sometimes.

I envy them too.  They have all the answers.  I guess it doesn't matter in a lot of situations - if the answers are truth or not as a lot of people get comfort from just having an answer.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: bodie on March 30, 2011, 02:57:04 PM
HOLD ON.......what are you saying???

Santa's not real!! :santa:
 :screwy:


i spose you will be telling me the tooth fairy is made up next,  huh
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: 'andersom' on March 30, 2011, 03:04:45 PM
LOL, I had told my kids St Nic was a dressed up guy. And that it was all about the game of giving eachother presents and pranks, while being unknown. It was not about a real St Nic. He clearly is not real. Told them that at a very young age. It never interfered with them believing in the game of St Nic. That was a firm belief till they were 10 or 8.
I had told them similar things about other traditions. But, had never said that specifically about the toothfairy. Thought it was obvious. Since they had expressed similar thoughts about God too.

So, one day I had kids over for lunch, and they started telling the toothfairy wasn't real. My kids were shocked, so I told them it was similar to St Nic, and that I had thought they had realised that.

At that moment the kids I had over for lunch started to cry, because I had made them realise st Nic wasn't real.  :facepalm2: :asthing:
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: bodie on March 30, 2011, 03:20:29 PM
LOL, I had told my kids St Nic was a dressed up guy. And that it was all about the game of giving eachother presents and pranks, while being unknown. It was not about a real St Nic. He clearly is not real. Told them that at a very young age. It never interfered with them believing in the game of St Nic. That was a firm belief till they were 10 or 8.
I had told them similar things about other traditions. But, had never said that specifically about the toothfairy. Thought it was obvious. Since they had expressed similar thoughts about God too.

So, one day I had kids over for lunch, and they started telling the toothfairy wasn't real. My kids were shocked, so I told them it was similar to St Nic, and that I had thought they had realised that.

At that moment the kids I had over for lunch started to cry, because I had made them realise st Nic wasn't real.  :facepalm2: :asthing:

oh no Hyke - you must have felt like the grim reaper  -  killing off santa :lol:

i sussed on about the tooth fairy when walkers crisps costs 7p in the shops -  i recall the 7p left under my pillow and they were copper coins - so i queried my mum 'why didn't the tooth fairy leave me silver, tracey next door had a ten pence yesterday'  and the look on her face just said it all.

Make believe is great for kids.  I am gonna do magic, and fairy's, and wizards, goblins, elve's and pixies right up til the urchin is at least 15 lol
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Callaway on March 30, 2011, 03:24:52 PM
LOL, I had told my kids St Nic was a dressed up guy. And that it was all about the game of giving eachother presents and pranks, while being unknown. It was not about a real St Nic. He clearly is not real. Told them that at a very young age. It never interfered with them believing in the game of St Nic. That was a firm belief till they were 10 or 8.
I had told them similar things about other traditions. But, had never said that specifically about the toothfairy. Thought it was obvious. Since they had expressed similar thoughts about God too.

So, one day I had kids over for lunch, and they started telling the toothfairy wasn't real. My kids were shocked, so I told them it was similar to St Nic, and that I had thought they had realised that.

At that moment the kids I had over for lunch started to cry, because I had made them realise st Nic wasn't real.  :facepalm2: :asthing:

oh no Hyke - you must have felt like the grim reaper  -  killing off santa :lol:

i sussed on about the tooth fairy when walkers crisps costs 7p in the shops -  i recall the 7p left under my pillow and they were copper coins - so i queried my mum 'why didn't the tooth fairy leave me silver, tracey next door had a ten pence yesterday'  and the look on her face just said it all.

Make believe is great for kids.  I am gonna do magic, and fairy's, and wizards, goblins, elve's and pixies right up til the urchin is at least 15 lol

The tooth fairy left my daughter a dollar when she lost her first tooth and she was upset she didn't get a dime.

So, I traded her ten dimes for her dollar.

 :lol:
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: 'andersom' on March 30, 2011, 03:36:17 PM
LOL, I had told my kids St Nic was a dressed up guy. And that it was all about the game of giving eachother presents and pranks, while being unknown. It was not about a real St Nic. He clearly is not real. Told them that at a very young age. It never interfered with them believing in the game of St Nic. That was a firm belief till they were 10 or 8.
I had told them similar things about other traditions. But, had never said that specifically about the toothfairy. Thought it was obvious. Since they had expressed similar thoughts about God too.

So, one day I had kids over for lunch, and they started telling the toothfairy wasn't real. My kids were shocked, so I told them it was similar to St Nic, and that I had thought they had realised that.

At that moment the kids I had over for lunch started to cry, because I had made them realise st Nic wasn't real.  :facepalm2: :asthing:

oh no Hyke - you must have felt like the grim reaper  -  killing off santa :lol:

i sussed on about the tooth fairy when walkers crisps costs 7p in the shops -  i recall the 7p left under my pillow and they were copper coins - so i queried my mum 'why didn't the tooth fairy leave me silver, tracey next door had a ten pence yesterday'  and the look on her face just said it all.

Make believe is great for kids.  I am gonna do magic, and fairy's, and wizards, goblins, elve's and pixies right up til the urchin is at least 15 lol
That's the funny thing. My kids believed 100% in St Nic, yet they knew it was all a game. My oldest believed it till she was 10. The youngest is less a make-believe girl, so at age 8 she gave up on really believing it. They still love the game. And my oldest will go for all elves, pixies, vampires and what not. And she'll believe, what ever she wants to believe, and will believe it really.

The two girls I broke the news to were easily sussed into believing again btw.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Dexter Morgan on April 24, 2011, 03:43:31 PM
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Not looking good for the Jews.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Squidusa on April 24, 2011, 06:49:10 PM
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Not looking good for the Jews.

I didn't see the extra "i" in "Shiite" at first.  :lol:
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Osensitive1 on April 24, 2011, 07:00:00 PM
It's not an extra i.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: "couldbecousin" on April 24, 2011, 07:01:16 PM
It's not an extra i.

Not extra in the sense of being a misspelling, but extra in the sense of being one more "i" than there is in the word "shite."  :laugh:
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Osensitive1 on April 24, 2011, 07:01:54 PM
:laugh:
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Rissy on April 27, 2011, 04:25:39 AM
I'm maybe agnostic. But really my philosophy is complicated. I don't really like militant atheism because that can be quite annoying too. I guess I'm kind of spiritual. But that's mostly because I doubt the validity of anything so I believe anything could be true. Spirituality is kinda fun and interesting anyway and it's passive. I live the way that feels right to me.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Graelwyn on February 21, 2015, 12:04:40 AM
I used to consider myself to be spiritual, but these days I seem to not have belief in much of anything. I have never followed a religion, as such. I have no interest in it, beyond the beauty of some of the buildings associated with it. When I took some online test, my innate beliefs seemed to most fit those of Buddhism.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: DirtDawg on February 21, 2015, 01:05:30 AM
I used to consider myself to be spiritual, but these days I seem to not have belief in much of anything. I have never followed a religion, as such. I have no interest in it, beyond the beauty of some of the buildings associated with it. When I took some online test, my innate beliefs seemed to most fit those of Buddhism.

Maybe you should take some time in the woods, sleep under the stars, build a fire and listen to a stream.
Can not tell you what religion this is. You have to work that out on your own.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Graelwyn on February 21, 2015, 10:44:16 AM
I used to consider myself to be spiritual, but these days I seem to not have belief in much of anything. I have never followed a religion, as such. I have no interest in it, beyond the beauty of some of the buildings associated with it. When I took some online test, my innate beliefs seemed to most fit those of Buddhism.

Maybe you should take some time in the woods, sleep under the stars, build a fire and listen to a stream.
Can not tell you what religion this is. You have to work that out on your own.

Yes, I must admit, I have spent too much time holed up in my flat lately, and barely seen daylight, let alone nature. I have always felt at my best when I have had a good amount of time out in the countryside, away from the city and the noise. Incidentally, I have actually never slept under the stars. I have never even camped actually, it is something I have on my bucket list to do really. Thanks for the reminder.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: 'andersom' on February 21, 2015, 10:55:37 AM
I used to consider myself to be spiritual, but these days I seem to not have belief in much of anything. I have never followed a religion, as such. I have no interest in it, beyond the beauty of some of the buildings associated with it. When I took some online test, my innate beliefs seemed to most fit those of Buddhism.

Maybe you should take some time in the woods, sleep under the stars, build a fire and listen to a stream.
Can not tell you what religion this is. You have to work that out on your own.

Yes, I must admit, I have spent too much time holed up in my flat lately, and barely seen daylight, let alone nature. I have always felt at my best when I have had a good amount of time out in the countryside, away from the city and the noise. Incidentally, I have actually never slept under the stars. I have never even camped actually, it is something I have on my bucket list to do really. Thanks for the reminder.

That, and true solitude.

Could do with it a lot more.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Walkie on February 21, 2015, 01:57:08 PM
I used to consider myself to be spiritual, but these days I seem to not have belief in much of anything. I have never followed a religion, as such. I have no interest in it, beyond the beauty of some of the buildings associated with it. When I took some online test, my innate beliefs seemed to most fit those of Buddhism.

Maybe you should take some time in the woods, sleep under the stars, build a fire and listen to a stream.
Can not tell you what religion this is. You have to work that out on your own.

Nice idea; not sure how you would go about that in England (that's where graelwyn is too) . It's probably illegal to build a fire, almost everywhere you might go. You probably have no idea how tame this country is. And how just about every square inch of it is owned by somebody-or-other.

My only attempt to sleep beneath the stars was a little bit rash, you might say.

I felt a burning need to get away , so I packed a few basics in a small backpack, caught a random train, and got off at a more-or-less random station (Great Malvern in the Cotswolds, actually. I'd pased through there a few times in the past, on my way to somewhere else,  and always fancied getting off at that stop. So not very random, as you see)

It was sometime after I got there, potterered around on the hills for a bit,  and realised that it was way too late  to get cheap lodgings, that I had the bright idea of sleeping under the stars.  Given that it was a pretty chilly Spring night, and I'm cold intolerant, it didn't work out very well at all. In fact, by 2.00 am-ish I gave up and sheepinshly ambled back into the town and  booked in to a 4-star hotel for the rest of the night (nothing less than that had a night porter) .

I was living on the last of my meagre credit at the time, so I really had to make that expense worthwhile. So I hung around the hotel for a good few hours the next day, and had fun playing the " mysterious lady" (No that didn't entail doing anything out of character  :LOL:; and it got me into one or two pleasant conversations).

Then I played the tourist for a bit, then  went home. :)

Do i regret it? Well, actually not in the least .

But any tips re. going about it  more sensibly would be appreciated  :LOL:

-Walkie

Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Walkie on February 21, 2015, 02:06:24 PM
Oh! P.S. I'm more-or-less Buddhist , btw

If an option of Buddhism or gnosticism had appeared (not Christian gnosticism, which is what most people think of,  but general non-specific gnosticism, which would include buddhism) ; then I would have checked that box. But no half-way suitable option was up there. So I didn't vote.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Graelwyn on February 21, 2015, 02:33:45 PM
I used to consider myself to be spiritual, but these days I seem to not have belief in much of anything. I have never followed a religion, as such. I have no interest in it, beyond the beauty of some of the buildings associated with it. When I took some online test, my innate beliefs seemed to most fit those of Buddhism.

Maybe you should take some time in the woods, sleep under the stars, build a fire and listen to a stream.
Can not tell you what religion this is. You have to work that out on your own.

Yes, I must admit, I have spent too much time holed up in my flat lately, and barely seen daylight, let alone nature. I have always felt at my best when I have had a good amount of time out in the countryside, away from the city and the noise. Incidentally, I have actually never slept under the stars. I have never even camped actually, it is something I have on my bucket list to do really. Thanks for the reminder.

That, and true solitude.

Could do with it a lot more.

I get a lot of solitude, some might say too much.
Before I started my own meetup group, I pretty much didn't talk to anyone face to face for weeks on end.
Now I am alone other than a few hours a week. Not always a good thing if, like me, you tend to get stuck too much inside negative thinking patterns.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Gopher Gary on February 21, 2015, 06:36:37 PM
I get a lot of solitude, some might say too much.
Before I started my own meetup group, I pretty much didn't talk to anyone face to face for weeks on end.
Now I am alone other than a few hours a week. Not always a good thing if, like me, you tend to get stuck too much inside negative thinking patterns.

Then I'm doubly glad you're back here with so many people to talk to.  :2thumbsup:
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Graelwyn on February 21, 2015, 08:22:31 PM
I get a lot of solitude, some might say too much.
Before I started my own meetup group, I pretty much didn't talk to anyone face to face for weeks on end.
Now I am alone other than a few hours a week. Not always a good thing if, like me, you tend to get stuck too much inside negative thinking patterns.

Then I'm doubly glad you're back here with so many people to talk to.  :2thumbsup:

Yah, not sure how long for. I have a habit of just retreating for long periods of time, but I shall strive to keep checking in, barring my demise  :lol1:
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Graelwyn on February 21, 2015, 08:29:49 PM
I used to consider myself to be spiritual, but these days I seem to not have belief in much of anything. I have never followed a religion, as such. I have no interest in it, beyond the beauty of some of the buildings associated with it. When I took some online test, my innate beliefs seemed to most fit those of Buddhism.

Maybe you should take some time in the woods, sleep under the stars, build a fire and listen to a stream.
Can not tell you what religion this is. You have to work that out on your own.

Nice idea; not sure how you would go about that in England (that's where graelwyn is too) . It's probably illegal to build a fire, almost everywhere you might go. You probably have no idea how tame this country is. And how just about every square inch of it is owned by somebody-or-other.

My only attempt to sleep beneath the stars was a little bit rash, you might say.

I felt a burning need to get away , so I packed a few basics in a small backpack, caught a random train, and got off at a more-or-less random station (Great Malvern in the Cotswolds, actually. I'd pased through there a few times in the past, on my way to somewhere else,  and always fancied getting off at that stop. So not very random, as you see)

It was sometime after I got there, potterered around on the hills for a bit,  and realised that it was way too late  to get cheap lodgings, that I had the bright idea of sleeping under the stars.  Given that it was a pretty chilly Spring night, and I'm cold intolerant, it didn't work out very well at all. In fact, by 2.00 am-ish I gave up and sheepinshly ambled back into the town and  booked in to a 4-star hotel for the rest of the night (nothing less than that had a night porter) .

I was living on the last of my meagre credit at the time, so I really had to make that expense worthwhile. So I hung around the hotel for a good few hours the next day, and had fun playing the " mysterious lady" (No that didn't entail doing anything out of character  :LOL:; and it got me into one or two pleasant conversations).

Then I played the tourist for a bit, then  went home. :)

Do i regret it? Well, actually not in the least .

But any tips re. going about it  more sensibly would be appreciated  :LOL:

-Walkie

You are far braver than I, lol. I would never dare simply take off, I am far too stuck in routines. I think I would have had a major panic attack being stuck somewhere at night with nowhere cheap to stay and limited funds.
It is supposed to be really pretty in Malvern though.

It is true, there are so many restrictions here that where I live, you cannot even feed the birds most places without getting issues.
People do have barbecues on the common here though. And I live right down the road from a rather beautiful area called the New Forest, which is all forestry, open heathland and some pretty remote areas.

Pictures of it here.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_vYoAaiH2O0Q/S_jh3Jya4eI/AAAAAAAAC0U/pCiy-04BeA0/s1600/new+forest+heath+001.jpg)

(http://www.britainisgreat.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/newforest.jpg)

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/tm/2008/09/horsesinpath_428x269_to_468x312.jpg)

I tend to cycle there over the Summer.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Walkie on February 21, 2015, 08:50:55 PM

You are far braver than I, lol. I would never dare simply take off, I am far too stuck in routines. I think I would have had a major panic attack being stuck somewhere at night with nowhere cheap to stay and limited funds.
It is supposed to be really pretty in Malvern though.

It is true, there are so many restrictions here that where I live, you cannot even feed the birds most places without getting issues.
People do have barbecues on the common here though. And I live right down the road from a rather beautiful area called the New Forest, which is all forestry, open heathland and some pretty remote areas.

I'm not brave. I just tend to think that the scariest thing of all is being stuck in the same old situation ad infinitum, with nothing ever changing. And then i need some kind of illusion of motion to soothe myself with. 

These days, just walking down the street unadaided is tatamount to living dangerously  :LOL:. So I guess i shan't be doing anything  like that again :(

If i did do something like that again, i think i might head for the New Forest. it really does look lovely! Lucky you! And thanks for the pics!
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: DirtDawg on February 21, 2015, 09:01:08 PM
I used to consider myself to be spiritual, but these days I seem to not have belief in much of anything. I have never followed a religion, as such. I have no interest in it, beyond the beauty of some of the buildings associated with it. When I took some online test, my innate beliefs seemed to most fit those of Buddhism.

Maybe you should take some time in the woods, sleep under the stars, build a fire and listen to a stream.
Can not tell you what religion this is. You have to work that out on your own.

Yes, I must admit, I have spent too much time holed up in my flat lately, and barely seen daylight, let alone nature. I have always felt at my best when I have had a good amount of time out in the countryside, away from the city and the noise. Incidentally, I have actually never slept under the stars. I have never even camped actually, it is something I have on my bucket list to do really. Thanks for the reminder.

I say fill your bucket list.

Ghandi said something like, "Live your life as if you were going to die tomorrow, but learn what you can as if you were going to live forever."   Sorry, but that is a paraphrase. The essence is captured, however.

Camping out is a great way to learn things about which you do not even know which questions to ask or how to google and shit.  Just go do it. Do it close by at first, so you feel safe; walking distance, maybe.   (OH and report back, please.)
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Graelwyn on February 21, 2015, 09:04:39 PM
Regular obstacle while cycling up there. New forest ponies have been there for a very long time. It is part of what draws the tourists in Summer.
Sadly, drivers ignore the warnings and quite a few get killed or injured which really infuriates me to be honest.

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01448/pnew2_1448722c.jpg)
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Graelwyn on February 21, 2015, 09:08:19 PM
I used to consider myself to be spiritual, but these days I seem to not have belief in much of anything. I have never followed a religion, as such. I have no interest in it, beyond the beauty of some of the buildings associated with it. When I took some online test, my innate beliefs seemed to most fit those of Buddhism.

Maybe you should take some time in the woods, sleep under the stars, build a fire and listen to a stream.
Can not tell you what religion this is. You have to work that out on your own.

Yes, I must admit, I have spent too much time holed up in my flat lately, and barely seen daylight, let alone nature. I have always felt at my best when I have had a good amount of time out in the countryside, away from the city and the noise. Incidentally, I have actually never slept under the stars. I have never even camped actually, it is something I have on my bucket list to do really. Thanks for the reminder.

I say fill your bucket list.

Ghandi said something like, "Live your life as if you were going to die tomorrow, but learn what you can as if you were going to live forever."   Sorry, but that is a paraphrase. The essence is captured, however.

Camping out is a great way to learn things about which you do not even know which questions to ask or how to google and shit.  Just go do it. Do it close by at first, so you feel safe; walking distance, maybe.   (OH and report back, please.)

Definitely will do. Never made a bucket list. I just have a habit of stagnating and thinking of all the things I would like to do but lacking the motivation or courage to do them. Must admit, now I am nearing forty, I am becoming a lot more aware of time, and the lack of it so those words from Gandhi definitely resonate. It is a matter of reminding yourself often, I suppose, to not get too caught up in the minor details.  :)

Camping might be a good thing to put on for my group sometime too as an event.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: DirtDawg on February 21, 2015, 10:44:37 PM
I used to consider myself to be spiritual, but these days I seem to not have belief in much of anything. I have never followed a religion, as such. I have no interest in it, beyond the beauty of some of the buildings associated with it. When I took some online test, my innate beliefs seemed to most fit those of Buddhism.

Maybe you should take some time in the woods, sleep under the stars, build a fire and listen to a stream.
Can not tell you what religion this is. You have to work that out on your own.

Yes, I must admit, I have spent too much time holed up in my flat lately, and barely seen daylight, let alone nature. I have always felt at my best when I have had a good amount of time out in the countryside, away from the city and the noise. Incidentally, I have actually never slept under the stars. I have never even camped actually, it is something I have on my bucket list to do really. Thanks for the reminder.

I say fill your bucket list.

Ghandi said something like, "Live your life as if you were going to die tomorrow, but learn what you can as if you were going to live forever."   Sorry, but that is a paraphrase. The essence is captured, however.

Camping out is a great way to learn things about which you do not even know which questions to ask or how to google and shit.  Just go do it. Do it close by at first, so you feel safe; walking distance, maybe.   (OH and report back, please.)

Definitely will do. Never made a bucket list. I just have a habit of stagnating and thinking of all the things I would like to do but lacking the motivation or courage to do them. Must admit, now I am nearing forty, I am becoming a lot more aware of time, and the lack of it so those words from Gandhi definitely resonate. It is a matter of reminding yourself often, I suppose, to not get too caught up in the minor details.  :)

Camping might be a good thing to put on for my group sometime too as an event.

Definitely go in a group the first few times, but definitely go out and do it!! You will love it!


... once/when the weather is decent overnight, that is!

Here it is still dipping below zero Fahrenheit every night (it was -21C here last night in north central Indiana), so maybe in June or something for me.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Graelwyn on February 21, 2015, 11:11:06 PM
I used to consider myself to be spiritual, but these days I seem to not have belief in much of anything. I have never followed a religion, as such. I have no interest in it, beyond the beauty of some of the buildings associated with it. When I took some online test, my innate beliefs seemed to most fit those of Buddhism.

Maybe you should take some time in the woods, sleep under the stars, build a fire and listen to a stream.
Can not tell you what religion this is. You have to work that out on your own.

Yes, I must admit, I have spent too much time holed up in my flat lately, and barely seen daylight, let alone nature. I have always felt at my best when I have had a good amount of time out in the countryside, away from the city and the noise. Incidentally, I have actually never slept under the stars. I have never even camped actually, it is something I have on my bucket list to do really. Thanks for the reminder.

I say fill your bucket list.

Ghandi said something like, "Live your life as if you were going to die tomorrow, but learn what you can as if you were going to live forever."   Sorry, but that is a paraphrase. The essence is captured, however.

Camping out is a great way to learn things about which you do not even know which questions to ask or how to google and shit.  Just go do it. Do it close by at first, so you feel safe; walking distance, maybe.   (OH and report back, please.)

Definitely will do. Never made a bucket list. I just have a habit of stagnating and thinking of all the things I would like to do but lacking the motivation or courage to do them. Must admit, now I am nearing forty, I am becoming a lot more aware of time, and the lack of it so those words from Gandhi definitely resonate. It is a matter of reminding yourself often, I suppose, to not get too caught up in the minor details.  :)

Camping might be a good thing to put on for my group sometime too as an event.

Definitely go in a group the first few times, but definitely go out and do it!! You will love it!


... once/when the weather is decent overnight, that is!

Here it is still dipping below zero Fahrenheit every night (it was -21C here last night in north central Indiana), so maybe in June or something for me.

-21...that is something I would not deal well with. Lowest we tend to get here in the Uk is around -5. But we do have a heck of a lot of rain this time of year so this will be a Summer thing, just need to look into where to do it. Hopefully my group will be bigger by then. Have 140 members in a few months, but a limited number come to events. I specifically set it up for those with things like Aspergers, social anxiety or who just feel like outsiders. A certain number have yet to get through the door for an event due to their social phobias  :lol1: I am hoping in time, they will be more daring.

Also, I would have zero idea on how to start a campfire or what essentials to take, beyond a tent and mat or sleeping bag, matches, torch etc, so shall have to look into that.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Minister Of Silly Walks on October 17, 2019, 11:59:12 PM
DD is talking Fahrenheit I assume. To your -5 Celsius.

So your -5 is DD's +23.

I am not a believer. I describe myself as an atheist, as I do not have belief in any god or gods. About a 6 on the Dawkins scale.

(https://i0.wp.com/greatdebatecommunity.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/dawkins-scale-black.png?fit=530%2C363&ssl=1)

The absence of any good evidence for god leads me to believe that either god does not exist, or he or she is very bloody good at pretending not to exist.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: DirtDawg on October 18, 2019, 07:33:28 AM
DD is talking Fahrenheit I assume. To your -5 Celsius.

So your -5 is DD's +23.

I am not a believer. I describe myself as an atheist, as I do not have belief in any god or gods. About a 6 on the Dawkins scale.

(https://i0.wp.com/greatdebatecommunity.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/dawkins-scale-black.png?fit=530%2C363&ssl=1)

The absence of any good evidence for god leads me to believe that either god does not exist, or he or she is very bloody good at pretending not to exist.

I try to identify C or F when I respond to folk about weather temperatures.

Three and one half years ago, during this conversation with Graelwyn, that -21C overnight temperature for a February night is not uncommon.
For me and my equipment, that is too cold to be comfortable camping out. Outdoor camping and such starts around May here and night time temperatures are usually expected to be near freezing, still. I am prepared for that.

See how I did that? I said, "... freezing" so that there would be a small bit less confusion involving the two standards of temperature measurement.
 :thumbup:
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Minister Of Silly Walks on October 18, 2019, 01:30:48 PM
Thanks DD, I missed the C. Just assumed you meant F because 'merica.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Grey Area on December 12, 2019, 06:13:49 PM
Followers of Abrahamic religions should be chased into the fucking sea.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Walkie on December 13, 2019, 01:08:29 AM
Just assumed you meant F because 'merica.
i just had to read loads of back-text , just to find out that my gut reaction to that statement is, ummm,  kinda tangential. you might say.

But still.  having heard out our effing election results , i still wanna say :  you can now assume it's F because Britain.   :grrr:

And if Boris is God, where the heck do I fit on the Dawkin's scale I wanna know? Is it no 1? I know he exists, but hate the smug  bastard? that hardly makes me a ""believer" though does it? . Hmm, maybe 6) de-facto Atheist is more like it. I do  find the man very improbable....


oh, FFS. I shall now desist from my transparent attempt to drag my post on-topic  and go sulk in the bathroom.

Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Jack on December 13, 2019, 04:29:43 PM
Followers of Abrahamic religions should be chased into the fucking sea.
Why do you so hate the sea?
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Minister Of Silly Walks on December 13, 2019, 05:25:58 PM
Walkie, we are heading down the same path. The working class has fallen prey to right wing populism, and has abandoned left wing parties who at least make a token effort to represent their interests.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Grey Area on December 13, 2019, 06:50:04 PM
Followers of Abrahamic religions should be chased into the fucking sea.
Why do you so hate the sea?
Got a mouthful of it at the beach once and it tasted like shit.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Walkie on December 13, 2019, 09:57:41 PM
Walkie, we are heading down the same path.

Well, thank the stars for your next sentence. I read Grey Area's post first, and thought for a minute  you were saying that we're all walking down the pretty cliff path  that ends in a mouthfull of shit.

 :apondering:


Huh. Of course. Same difference. Silly me....except in the political case, we don;t have any choice but repeat the same journey and swallow the shit all over again, do we?  (emo)
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Grey Area on December 14, 2019, 05:40:27 AM
Walkie, we are heading down the same path. The working class has fallen prey to right wing populism, and has abandoned left wing parties who at least make a token effort to represent their interests.

More like left wing parties abandoned the working class. If Labour doesn't become considerably more northern and working class before the next election, they're fucked.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Minister Of Silly Walks on December 14, 2019, 06:44:52 AM
Walkie, we are heading down the same path. The working class has fallen prey to right wing populism, and has abandoned left wing parties who at least make a token effort to represent their interests.

More like left wing parties abandoned the working class. If Labour doesn't become considerably more northern and working class before the next election, they're fucked.
Agree. It's basically the same in the US and Australia. Problem is that if they move even slightly to the left of centre the media goes bananas.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Grey Area on December 14, 2019, 12:14:46 PM
https://twitter.com/blue_labour/status/1205866120256856073

"A socialism which is economically radical and culturally conservative"

This has to be a prank. I mean, come on.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Walkie on December 14, 2019, 01:01:50 PM
https://twitter.com/blue_labour/status/1205866120256856073

"A socialism which is economically radical and culturally conservative"

This has to be a prank. I mean, come on.

well, blow me. i briefly checked out a few posts and they appeared to be sincere. I have no idea what they mean by "culturally conservative" though. That makes me  queasy. Welcomiing in the modern-day blackshirts, perhaps ?  :zombiefuck:

ofc,  i totally agree with ""economically radical", most especially in the light that common decency, sound common sense, priovision of decent social services, and the merest whiff of compassion for the underclass are all regarded as radically leftist in today's Britain.  Without "radical economic policies", we'll be rebuilding the Workhouses soon, and sticking a Nazi death camp next door.

We need the kind of party that built the NHS in the first place, not the kind of party that remorsely dismantles it and sells it off, piecemeal to the highest bidder. We all love the NHS (or rather we love our fading memory of what the NHS used to be, and our dreams of restoring it)  but, blow me, we still find that kind of thinking totally radical, FFS.
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Grey Area on December 14, 2019, 01:54:35 PM
I have no idea what they mean by "culturally conservative" though.

It's a dogwhistle. It probably means they want to restrict the rights of religious and racial minorities and LGBT, but they're not yet in a strong enough position to say so in more direct terms.

Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Walkie on December 14, 2019, 02:05:10 PM
I have no idea what they mean by "culturally conservative" though.

It's a dogwhistle. It probably means they want to restrict the rights of religious and racial minorities and LGBT, but they're not yet in a strong enough position to say so in more direct terms.

Yeah. That's what my stomach said. *sigh *. Thanks for clarifying. (My brain is having a hard time catching up with this shit)
Nazi death camps next then?
Title: Re: How many here are believers?
Post by: Grey Area on December 14, 2019, 02:31:44 PM
Either Nazi or Maoist/Stalinist/Juche. Not that the colour of the guards' uniforms matters much when you're in a death camp lol