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Title: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Jack on December 01, 2016, 04:01:01 AM
Over the past three decades, China has been building metropolis sizes cities under a strategic urban development plan. Large gleaming cutting-edge cities with towering modern design skyscrapers, municipal buildings, schools, museums, shopping centers and malls, recreational centers and parks, hospitals, transportation systems, and complete with urban housing developments. Everything a city needs, but the only thing is hardly anyone lives there...yet.

World economist have in the past criticized the Chinese government's urban development efforts, for building cities with no supporting industry or housing demand. Economists have called these cities failed utopias, ghost cities, almost empty with populations of 20% or less than their potential. The economist may be wrong, because they viewed China to have a failed vision of 'build it and they will come' when China's vision is closer to 'build it and then move them there' and these city populations are consistently growing as the giant awakens and ghost cities come to life.

By the end of 2015, 56% of China's total population were living in urban areas, compared to 26% in 1990, as the government demolishes rural villages and builds new cities to relocate them. China is reported to have been building 12-24 cities per year. From 2010-2025, it's estimated China will urbanize 300 million people currently living in rural areas, resulting in 70% of the total population living in cities by 2025. This ultimately results in a quick 40 year plan, which molds a new form of culture for the young generation of China, while transforming a nation into an urban powerhouse.


Yujiapu Financial District is a skyscraper development in China's Tianjin Binhai New Area currently being built as a potential center of world finance.
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Ordos is one of the twelve major subdivisions of Inner Mongolia, China.(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/sEqU-jW9xQ0/maxresdefault.jpg)(http://coolinterestingstuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/ordos_03.jpg)(http://asia.nikkei.com/var/site_cache/storage/images/node_43/node_51/2014/201412/20141225/20141225_ordos_buildings/1836633-1-eng-GB/20141225_ordos_buildings_article_main_image.jpg)(http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/56c4a6f36e97c621048b7b4e-1200/10unborncitiesno18.jpg)


Chenggong District is a city district under the jurisdiction of Kunming, Yunnan, China.
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Dantu District is one of three districts of Zhenjiang, Jiangsu province, China.
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Nanhui New City is a planned city located in the Pudong New Area of Shanghai, China. It was formerly called Lingang New City until renamed in April 2012. Construction began in 2003 and is scheduled to be completed in 2020
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Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Icequeen on December 01, 2016, 09:38:52 AM
I was just recently googling about this.

I thought..."wow, cities I wouldn't mind seeing."

Would love to walk through them. China should start a tourist trade from them..."Empty city vacation get-away for the serious introvert."

I'd sign up.
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Fun With Matches on December 01, 2016, 09:45:26 AM
^ Really? I think most of them look hideous.
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Icequeen on December 01, 2016, 10:08:59 AM
^ Really? I think most of them look hideous.

I think all cities are hideous really. :LOL:

But these are...empty cities.

There lies the attraction...for me anyways. :zoinks:
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Fun With Matches on December 01, 2016, 10:28:56 AM
^ Really? I think most of them look hideous.

I think all cities are hideous really. :LOL:

But these are...empty cities.

There lies the attraction...for me anyways. :zoinks:

Yeh, I wouldn't mind a whole towerblock to myself.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Icequeen on December 01, 2016, 01:47:36 PM
*packs bike, skateboard, camera, crash helmet, band-aids...*

 8)
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: odeon on December 01, 2016, 03:14:41 PM
Wow. Just... wow.
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Icequeen on December 01, 2016, 03:59:55 PM
Wow. Just... wow.

You want to go too...just admit it.  :autism:
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Jack on December 01, 2016, 04:59:53 PM
I was just recently googling about this.

I thought..."wow, cities I wouldn't mind seeing."

Would love to walk through them. China should start a tourist trade from them..."Empty city vacation get-away for the serious introvert."

I'd sign up.
Last night was one of those no-sleep nights, so spent it reading of China's plans as leaders of the new world order. :laugh: Am remembering reading/hearing about failed empty cities in China probably ten years ago. They've had more success over the last decade in filling urban developments, by downscaling to developing smaller cities, and creating new districts of existing ones. Some places can be visited by tourists. Ordos in particular is one and probably the largest long-term construction which has been the slowest to fill. Ordos is probably the city with the most photos available online, as many journalists have visited over the last ten years. It's said to be a surreal experience, and would have to agree it probably is. Wouldn't mind seeing it too.
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Jack on December 01, 2016, 06:18:32 PM
Might fixate on this for a few days.

Yingkou  is a prefecture-level city of Liaoning province, People's Republic of China. It is a port city of the Bohai Sea, and is the location of the mouth of the Liao River. The city has a total area of 4,970 square kilometres, and a population of 2,428,534 at the 2010 census whom 1,340,993 in the built up area made of 3 urban districts (Zhanqian, Xishi and Laobian) and Dashiqiao City now linked to the urban core. Yingkou city is currently undergoing substantial expansion. Phase One of the Coastal Base project is complete, adding a further 44 km2 (17 sq mi) of industrial and urban areas to Yingkou. Phase Two, which began in 2010 will add a further massive 157 km2 (61 sq mi).

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Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Parts on December 01, 2016, 07:33:52 PM
^ Really? I think most of them look hideous.

I think all cities are hideous really. :LOL:

But these are...empty cities.

There lies the attraction...for me anyways. :zoinks:


That's what I like about them also,  I would never want to go to them if they were fully populated.   I wonder what they will look like in twenty years with the way they seem to cut corners on things
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Pyraxis on December 01, 2016, 09:49:30 PM
Not to mention the infrastructure would be 20 years out of date by the time anyone was moving into it. How can they even know the requirements?
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Jack on December 02, 2016, 04:46:56 PM
Not to mention the infrastructure would be 20 years out of date by the time anyone was moving into it. How can they even know the requirements?
China does a pretty good job of staying out of the world view. China has built hundreds of new city districts and moved a third of their population from rural to urban in only five years; that's 400 million people in five years, so the idea they can reach the goal of building new cities for another 300 million over the next ten years seem plausible. For all anyone knows, the half dozen empty ones that make the news are left empty and open to the public eye on purpose so the world will report them and consider it wasteful and fruitless what China is doing.
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Jack on December 02, 2016, 05:36:45 PM
The way China builds an initial population in its new cities is simple: it makes people move into them. So when a municipality decides to flip on the switch of one of its large new cities or districts — like Shanghai’s Pudong, Zhengzhou’s Zhengdong, or Guangzhou's Zhujiang — the wheels start moving: government headquarters, the offices of banks and state-owned enterprises, and university campuses are shipped in, subsidies and tax breaks are given to private companies to relocate, and everyone who is associated with these entities are compelled to follow along.

Universities, especially, are a major tool to break the inertia of stagnant new urban developments in China. Often built into the master plans of many of the country’s large new areas are massive university towns, where more than a dozen new campuses can be built side by side that will bring in, literally, hundreds of thousands of students and staff. The idea is that seeding a developing area with a fledgling population base can initiate the beginnings of a local business ecosystem, which will then make the place more attractive to prospective home buyers and residents, which will then attract even more businesses.

China's students are essentially turned into troops of urbanization as they are sent off to the front lines of their country’s urban frontiers. The effect is that for a good span of the ghost city phase China's under-inhabited new cityscapes are transformed into epicenters of youth.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2016/01/19/one-way-that-china-populates-its-ghost-cities/#4e2f55865622
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Jack on December 02, 2016, 06:19:04 PM
I wonder what they will look like in twenty years with the way they seem to cut corners on things
That's a good question; saw a couple of mentions of cheaply constructed buildings but nothing highly notable. However China already had problems with deteriorated housing in existing urban areas, and addressing that is also part of their progress. They have an initiative within the United Nations of better housing for all, and the urban development drive has greatly improved statistics for their quality of living conditions. It's actually very smart. Back in the mid to late 80's the UN passed a set of basic human rights which were to apply to the citizenship of all member countries and some countries had to change their ways in order to comply; it's the reason the US cracked down hard on businesses paying non-citizen below minimum wage and began allowing companies to easily gain work permits for undocumented employees. Part of the UN human rights initiative also included the right to own property. While China has no privately owned land, urban planning has been opened to private developers, and the people living in urban areas either buy or rent from those private owners, so China has quickly evolved from a state owned country into one which the majority of homes are now privately owned.
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Jack on December 02, 2016, 07:01:34 PM
For all anyone knows, the half dozen empty ones that make the news are left empty and open to the public eye on purpose so the world will report them and consider it wasteful and fruitless what China is doing.
It could also be that the ghost city hype sells better in the news. While some stories were very true ten years ago, maybe not so much anymore.

"But 60 Minutes simplified the situation by simply calling the entirety of Zhengdong barren and deserted — they went for hype and got it, but rendered their report a work of fiction in the process. They went into skyscrapers full of businesses and then called them abandoned; they showed occupied high-rises and claimed nobody lives in them; they filmed in an abandoned mall but ignored the thriving one nearby; they filmed areas that are not even built yet and used it as an example of how people are not moving into the district. 60 Minutes did not find a ghost city in Zhengzhou, they created one.

Within the lifetime of a university sophomore, Shanghai built one the most vibrant economic zones in the world from scratch. Though the entire process was mocked each step of the way by foreign analysts, economists, and journalists, who snickered at the city as though it were a kid wearing a suite two sizes too large. Pudong’s annual GDP tops $400 billion and it’s financial district’s occupancy rate is higher than that of mid-town Manhattan. Nobody is calling Pudong a ghost town anymore.

We are amused by empty streets, vacant shopping malls, and barren financial districts in China, not budding new cities steadily coming to life. Ex-ghost cities are rarely news."

http://www.vagabondjourney.com/5-chinese-ghost-cities-came-alive/
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Jack on December 02, 2016, 07:05:14 PM
Am posting this one again because want to see it on this page. This is by far the best image seen in a while. It's stirring, empty or not, and amazimg how something so modern and new can be so unsettlingly creepy and disturbing.


(http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/56c4a6f36e97c621048b7b4e-1200/10unborncitiesno18.jpg)
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Jack on December 02, 2016, 09:28:38 PM
Focus today is on the Kangbashi District of Ordos, mentioned on the previous page. The Kangbashi District began construction in 2003, planned as a development to accommodate one million people, with a current capacity for 300 thousand. While ignoring countless success stories, this particular district is held up by the media as the shining example of what's wrong with China's urban development, due to still being unfinished and highly under-populated. In 2015 it had an estimated 100 thousand people, compared to 30 thousand in 2012. The population Ordos is still growing and will no doubt have it's day, but does appear to be taking longer to fill than others. When large cities evolve of their own volition, the result is a mixture of individual architectural visions. Ordos has a mixture of clusters of individual visions, which in itself is very interesting to observe.

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(http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/10676630ce22472d8caa8dcd9fe64be1/a-man-walks-across-the-wumulun-binghe-square-in-the-kangbashi-new-fpybh4.jpg)
(http://baliroomsforrent.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/China_Ordos_Kangbashi-19.jpg)
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Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Jack on December 02, 2016, 10:40:51 PM
One of the reasons for the perceived failure of the Kangbashi District of Ordos, and the scaling back of planning from one million to 300 thousand, may be that the government lost interest. Ordos is one of the richest areas in China due to containing one sixth of the country's national coal reserves, and the city largely subsides on coal mining incomes. In the beginning of urban planning, it would make sense to expand upon this area, but rapid expansion across the country has caused power shortages and problems with smog from burning coal. In the past China's main source of power has been fossil fuels, but now turning to nuclear power. 70% of China's nuclear power plans have been built in the last ten years, they have 36 reactors in production, are reported to have another 20 under construction, and more planned to start construction with a goal of doubling current capacity by 2020.

In October, China began operating three new nuclear plants near the Vietnam boarder.
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Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: odeon on December 03, 2016, 06:08:54 AM
Wow. Just... wow.

You want to go too...just admit it.  :autism:

Of course. It might be the best vacation ever. :zoinks:
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: odeon on December 03, 2016, 06:10:59 AM
And I just love this one.

(http://www.youngpioneertours.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/ordos2-815x459.jpg)
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Icequeen on December 03, 2016, 10:23:49 AM
I wanna pet the camels.  8)
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Jack on December 03, 2016, 11:12:10 AM
China is also building ghost cities in Luanda, Angola, South Africa.

"Nova Cidade de Kilamba (Kilamba New City) is a large housing development 30 km (18 miles) from Luanda, the capital city of Angola.  It is being built by the China International Trust and Investment Corporation. Kilamba covers an area of 8.8 square kilometers and will eventually offer 25,000 homes for more than 200,000 inhabitants. The cost is reported as US$3.5 billion, financed by a Chinese credit line and repaid by the Angolan government with oil.

Although Kilamba contributes to meeting the election pledge made by President Jose Eduardo dos Santos in 2008 to build a million new homes in four years, Angola does not have a large middle class able to buy such homes. However, despite the slow start, new legislation signed into law by dos Santos resulted in a massive boom in demand. Prices of the smallest units were reduced from US $125,000 to $70,000. The population increased to 40,000 residents in September 2013, and 80,000 in July 2015." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilamba

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Kilamba Kiaxi is one of the six urban districts that make up the municipality of Luanda, in the province of Luanda, Angola's capital.
Kilamba Kiaxi has 64.1 square kilometers and about 234,000 inhabitants. A large Chinese firm has been given a contract to construct the majority of replacement housing in Luanda The Angolan minister of health recently stated poverty in Angola will be overcome by an increase in jobs and the housing of every citizen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luanda

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Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: "couldbecousin" on December 03, 2016, 12:55:24 PM
  I don't get it.  There are a billion Chinese.  Why aren't people flocking to these vacant places?  :dunno:
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Jack on December 03, 2016, 01:15:27 PM
  I don't get it.  There are a billion Chinese.  Why aren't people flocking to these vacant places?  :dunno:
They are flocking, to the tune of 400 million over the last five years. Pay attention.

By the end of 2015, 56% of China's total population were living in urban areas, compared to 26% in 1990.
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: "couldbecousin" on December 03, 2016, 01:16:49 PM
  I don't get it.  There are a billion Chinese.  Why aren't people flocking to these vacant places?  :dunno:
They are flocking, to the tune of 400 million over the last five years. Pay attention.

By the end of 2015, 56% of China's total population were living in urban areas, compared to 26% in 1990.

  They need to flock faster then.  Look at all the empty buildings!  :dunno:
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Jack on December 03, 2016, 01:23:09 PM
Faster? China has relocated a population the size of the entire US in a very short amount of time. They're not done. Again, pay attention.

it's estimated China will urbanize 300 million people currently living in rural areas, resulting in 70% of the total population living in cities by 2025.
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: "couldbecousin" on December 03, 2016, 01:25:17 PM
Faster? China has relocated a population the size of the entire US in a short amount of time. They're not done. Again, pay attention.

it's estimated China will urbanize 300 million people currently living in rural areas, resulting in 70% of the total population living in cities by 2025.

  To quote Jeff Goldblum, in both Jurassic Park and Independence Day,


   "Must go faster, must go faster!"   :GA:
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Parts on December 03, 2016, 01:33:37 PM
The last couple look like those paint chip samples at the hardware store
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Jack on December 03, 2016, 01:50:52 PM
The last couple look like those paint chip samples at the hardware store
The developments in Africa appear to only be housing along with adjacent schools and daycare, rather than full cityscapes. Not sure what up with the color schemes. The first development in that post is color coded by block, with entire blocks of blue buildings, green in the next block, yellow next to that, and so on. The paintchip looking buildings look young and cheerful, so maybe intended for a young generation of tenants.
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Parts on December 03, 2016, 03:00:12 PM
Faster? China has relocated a population the size of the entire US in a very short amount of time. They're not done. Again, pay attention.

it's estimated China will urbanize 300 million people currently living in rural areas, resulting in 70% of the total population living in cities by 2025.

I wonder how much is really voluntary and why the big push for it.  Where I live is way too crowded for my tastes but it's nothing compared to these places and moving to them would not be something I would just do if asked nicely
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Jack on December 03, 2016, 05:02:17 PM
Faster? China has relocated a population the size of the entire US in a very short amount of time. They're not done. Again, pay attention.

it's estimated China will urbanize 300 million people currently living in rural areas, resulting in 70% of the total population living in cities by 2025.

I wonder how much is really voluntary and why the big push for it.  Where I live is way too crowded for my tastes but it's nothing compared to these places and moving to them would not be something I would just do if asked nicely
From what's been read, a fair amount of it is forced, and the rest is sort of force by no other choice due to circumstance. The bones of China's communities are government controlled, so when the government offices, banks, schools, and hospitals are all moved away the only thing left remaining are residents. Business are more likely to accept the government incentives to move shop because a large portion of their clientele has been moved, the remaining follow because there's nothing left, no infrastructure, no employment, no community. Some evections are completely forced to clear out locations where new development is occurring. As for the why of the matter, or even how it will pan out, it's hard to say. What China has done, and is doing, is completely unprecedented. Would have to assume economics is the driving factor. Urbanization is drawing a lot of foreign investment, while generating a large viable working middle class out of past peasant farming communities. From the figures read, it appears China intends to reserve 30% of the population as rural, which is probably all they need to sustain farming, and less farming competition will also mean better incomes for the average farmer. In addition to urban development, China also has an initiative to improve living conditions in the rural areas which will remain, by building new housing, installing sewer treatment facilities, clean running water and electricity, in many poor communities which previously had none. Again, why. It could all be about making money. It could be about minimizing poverty. It could be to maintain their status within the UN by complying with UN enforcement of global human rights. It could be the vision of a great mind, who hasn't bothered to tell the rest of the world why. Maybe it's a big power trip, or a combination of those things. Maybe they're just gearing up to lead the world.
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: odeon on December 03, 2016, 05:12:21 PM
The State thinks you should move to Nowhere City, Comrade. :police:
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Jack on December 03, 2016, 09:15:47 PM
Looking more now at the Yujiapu Financial District, mentioned in the first post. China's future Manhattan began construction in 2009. Still largely uninhabited with areas still in construction, the district is open for business and is, at the moment, truly a fantastic ghost of a city. The district’s free-trade zone status, gained in 2014, attracted 6,000 companies from finance, law, accounting and trade to register for business, generating an output of 7.5 billion yuan and expected to quadruple its GDP by 2017.

(http://www.matthewniederhauser.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/counterfeit_paradises_matthew_niederhauser_china_development_consumerism23.jpg)

The International convention center.
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The subway station:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Yujiapu_Railway_Station.jpg/1024px-Yujiapu_Railway_Station.jpg)
(http://www.go4travelblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Yujiapu-Railway-Station-Platform-e1468908787547.jpg)

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Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Parts on December 04, 2016, 10:29:12 AM
A city that big without a real history,  and built mostly at one time by the state seems just wrong.
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Jack on December 04, 2016, 12:35:57 PM
It all seems wrong on some level, maybe because it's never been done before. Then again it also seems wildly brilliant, and like watching history being made.
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Jack on December 04, 2016, 01:49:55 PM
Nanhui New City, also mentioned in the first post, is located at the tip of the peninsula between the Yangtze and the Qiantang rivers, on the Hangzhou Bay. It is approximately 60 kilometers southeast of downtown Shanghai. A major portion of the site was reclaimed from the sea. The city was slated to become a "mini-Hong Kong", but although real estate developments sold quickly, people have been reluctant to move in. To help vitalize the city, eight university campuses have been built on the west side of Nanhui New City, bringing in more than 100,000 students.

An aerial view of the development:
(http://www.vagabondjourney.com/travelogue/wp-content/uploads/Nanhui-map_DCE.png)
The full scope of the plan
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(http://www.vagabondjourney.com/travelogue/wp-content/uploads/nanhui-feature-image_DCE2-e1403252660560.jpg)
Housing developments
(http://www.marcusbredt.de/fileadmin/img/diary/xl/s/LGC_7856)
Technical Center
(http://www.gmp-architekten.com/typo3temp/_processed_/csm_SJ11-05_2000x1125px_f491c73435.jpg)
"Barcode Hall"
(http://weburbanist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/barcode_5.jpg)
City admistration entrance
(http://www.gmp-architekten.com/typo3temp/_processed_/csm_1_MB5-04_2000x1125px_046007e123.jpg)
Maritime museum.
(http://www.gmp-architekten.com/typo3temp/_processed_/csm_HGE03-015_groessere_datei_korr_2000x1125px_4075a933e9.jpg)
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Phallacy on December 04, 2016, 04:45:54 PM
Americans criticize China for its urban development plans? Well, where's YOUR urban development plan, America? That crumbling infrastructure isn't going to fix itself! :zoinks:
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Jack on December 04, 2016, 05:50:25 PM
Americans criticize China for its urban development plans? Well, where's YOUR urban development plan, America? That crumbling infrastructure isn't going to fix itself! :zoinks:
"China has been building the equivalent of almost one university per week. In terms of producing graduates, China has overtaken the United States and the combined university systems of European Union countries, and has shown the world that it is possible to simultaneously raise quantity and quality in schools. China ranks third for attracting international students, and is expected to soon overtake the UK and the US for first place. China is using international university partnerships to cement its regional and global position, and an increasing number of universities from outside of China are establishing a presence in China. "
http://www.universityworldnews.com/article.php?story=20160303231850597
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35776555
http://www.sinograduate.com/foreign-universities-china

Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Jack on December 05, 2016, 10:30:39 PM
Chenggong District is the chief zone for the expansion of the city of Kunming, almost a 20-minute drive away, currently considered a ghost city. It is the site of the new Kunming City Hall, and new campuses for Yunnan University and Yunnan Normal University. Central Kunming is overcrowded, so expected to fill quickly, and while the new district is intended to serve other purposes, the majority of the expanded portion of the city appears to be massive housing blocks. Public train systems connecting to the existing city will make Chenggong a low carbon district.

(http://blogs.worldbank.org/files/transport/Chenggong%20Housing.jpg)

(http://images.adsttc.com/media/images/563f/aeb9/e58e/ce4c/0200/006b/large_jpg/shutterstock_236809795.jpg?1447014068)

(http://c8.alamy.com/comp/G2Y95W/a-woman-farms-in-front-of-a-residential-compound-in-chenggong-district-G2Y95W.jpg)

(https://medihal.archives-ouvertes.fr/affiche_img.php?where=disk&height=500&width=500&dir=%2Fdocuments%2F00%2F84%2F86%2F98%2F&create=true)

(http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/43/54/70/9358870/3/1024x1024.jpg)

(http://coolinterestingstuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/New-city-of-Chenggong-Yunnan.jpg)

(https://i0.wp.com/oecdinsights.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Chenggong-housing.jpg?resize=550%2C368)
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: renaeden on December 06, 2016, 01:08:12 AM
Yunnan Normal University? How is that different from the other one?

:plus: for the thread, Jack. :)
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Jack on December 06, 2016, 04:38:43 PM
Yunnan Normal University? How is that different from the other one?

Quote
A normal school is a school created to train high school graduates to be teachers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_school
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: renaeden on December 06, 2016, 04:58:10 PM
Thank you, Jack. I had never heard that term before.
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Jack on December 06, 2016, 06:57:31 PM
Tianducheng is a town in the suburbs of Hangzhou, Zhejiang Province, China, and construction began in 2007. Originally planned as a city for around 10,000 inhabitants, the current population of Tianducheng is estimated at around 2,000 people, many of whom are working on a nearby French-themed amusement park. The city is referred to as fake Paris, for obvious reasons.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/12/05/23C3F43700000578-2862282-Tianducheng_opened_with_great_fanfare_in_2007_but_fell_substanti-a-17_1417795785993.jpg)

(http://dev.leganerd.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Tianducheng-001.jpg)

The landscaping around the mock Eifel Tower is al large vegetable garden.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/12/05/23C3F4B200000578-2862282-A_354_foot_replica_of_the_Eiffel_Tower_stands_at_the_centre_of_t-a-16_1417795748266.jpg)

(http://67.media.tumblr.com/a54dcadc6bd9c7337de5764c4d64df00/tumblr_nbqq7qHI8u1suvl8bo2_1280.jpg)

The French inspired architecture is an interesting contrast against the boxy high rises.
(http://justsomething.co/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/tianducheng-paris-clone-11.jpg)
(http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/thumb/msid-21786589,width-640,resizemode-4/a-replica-of-the-effel-tower-in-tianducheng.jpg)

(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/photo-shows-a-replica-of-paris-in-tianducheng-a-residential-community-picture-id513708310)
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: "couldbecousin" on December 07, 2016, 07:32:42 AM
  That child in the red hat upthread is Home Alone!  :2thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: odeon on December 08, 2016, 10:17:40 AM
The Eiffel Tower copy is bizarre.
Title: Re: Ghost Cities of China
Post by: Jack on December 08, 2016, 05:51:51 PM
The Eiffel Tower copy is bizarre.
China has a lot of copycat stuff, not only monuments but also replicating cities. They have their own Stonehenge, London Tower Bridge, US White House, their own Holland, their own version of Venice, and much more; could go on about it for days probably. Earlier this year China tore down a life size copy of the Great Sphinx because of complaints from Egyptian leaders.
http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/original-copies-architectural-mimicry-in-contemporary-china
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-36431831