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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: ZEGH8578 on July 22, 2011, 09:14:38 AM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14252515 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14252515)
just in from nrk, 2 dead, bomb blast confirmed. right by the gvt buildings
(so exciting :O )
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Why the fuck attack Norway :zombiefuck:
Are you in Oslo?
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Why the fuck attack Norway :zombiefuck:
Are you in Oslo?
no, im far away from there. Trondheim (norways first and REAL capital >:I)
and idunno. a bomb exploded in sweden some months ago, altho much less strategically placed.
i guess.... attacking america is "done", and we all know on which epic scale that attack was.
then spain and britain were attacked, each of them on enormous scales, in terms of losses.
the most important countries get hit first
i guess, 11 years into the "war on terror", it was simply our turn..
well...
good luck denmark! :I
(technically, norway has been on a one-of-four list, since the early days: USA UK Australia and Norway air-bombed afghanistan, while everyone else were reluctant to. Otherwise, im suspecting all NATO countries will be targeted. Spain pulled all its forces out of the war, as a response to the terrorist act. Personally, im all for "caving in to terrorism", depending on situation, and i fully support Spain's action there)
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Well at least your far away from it. Get ready for increased security on everything though which does little if anything to help prevent anything like this but disrupts everyone's lives
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Do they think there is a relation with the people they arrested two weeks ago?
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Well at least your far away from it. Get ready for increased security on everything though which does little if anything to help prevent anything like this but disrupts everyone's lives
i will dare to doubt that we're gonna experience "american-level" hightened security, with an impact on privacy and peoples rights... one never know tho...
but theyre pretty shook up down in oslo of course, theres a whole city block filled with debris, flipped over cars, blood splatters on the ground, and strategically placed in a gvt block.
the blast is described as very powerfull, and has slammed out windows from buildings in a large area around.
bricks from surrounding buildings have been shaved off.
hyke: no mention of that
(http://www.brogi.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/oslo17_big.jpg)
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With all the damage in those photos you would think the casualties would be higher
As far as tightened security
It will at least cut into your supply lines :stoned:
Stock up if you can
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With all the damage in those photos you would think the casualties would be higher
As far as tightened security
It will at least cut into your supply lines :stoned:
Stock up if you can
shit, i didnt think of that!!!
ive been trying to get hold of weed for 3 days, no luck :( but now... :(
and, as for low casualties, they credit summer time for that. a lot of people, including politicians, are in vacations.
theyre actually mentioning that on the news right now, there would have been a lot more victims, had it not been summer time.
also, shooting in oslo right now. but theres no knowledge about that as of yet. apparently, at some summer-camp of some political-youth group. so personally i find that VERY odd...
just in: "at least one shot fired" from a "man disguised as a cop", VERY weird :S
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(http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/174/174139/17413933/jpg/active/978x.jpg)
The greatest crime that I see here is that guy's white belt.
I mean, REALLY?? :zombiefuck: :zombiefuck: :zombiefuck:
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and, as for low casualties, they credit summer time for that. a lot of people, including politicians, are in vacations.
theyre actually mentioning that on the news right now, there would have been a lot more victims, had it not been summer time.
also, shooting in oslo right now. but theres no knowledge about that as of yet. apparently, at some summer-camp of some political-youth group. so personally i find that VERY odd...
just in: "at least one shot fired" from a "man disguised as a cop", VERY weird :S
ZEGH, those bombs and guns I sent you were for entertainment purposes only. Sheesh! try to contain yourself next time. ::)
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With all the damage in those photos you would think the casualties would be higher
As far as tightened security
It will at least cut into your supply lines :stoned:
Stock up if you can
shit, i didnt think of that!!!
ive been trying to get hold of weed for 3 days, no luck :( but now... :(
So I need to send you some hydroponic equipment and some dank seeds?? ;)
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upto 30 dead counted floating in the water outside Utøya, the site of the shooting
this is extreme
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More than the bomb so far :-\ Some strange things going on in your country
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More than the bomb so far :-\ Some strange things going on in your country
the heaps of dead were spotted from helicopter, floating in the river/fjord and on the shores
my speculation is that these are the bulks of those trying to swim to safety, as was reported earlyer
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CNN has confirmed 7 dead, 11 wounded in the bombing and 8 wounded in the related shooting.
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I don't have a problem with two or more people engaging in mutual combat. When civilians/innocents are targeted that's evil cowardice.
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the island shooting must have been horrendous
the shooter, disguised as a cop lured teens (most of them 14-16 years of age) closer to him, before pulling a gun and executing them, with 16 confirmed by now, from what i know, and still upto 30 feared dead (many of them due to drowning, while trying to swim to safety)
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Jeez. Just saw it on the news. ??? >:(
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the island shooting must have been horrendous
the shooter, disguised as a cop lured teens (most of them 14-16 years of age) closer to him, before pulling a gun and executing them, with 16 confirmed by now, from what i know, and still upto 30 feared dead (many of them due to drowning, while trying to swim to safety)
That's evil.
I'm glad that you're OK.
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I don't have a problem with two or more people engaging in mutual combat. When civilians/innocents are targeted that's evil cowardice.
Cowardice is the word......extreme cowardism. >:(
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those youth were, by political alignment, against the aghan war as well.
very strange to attack them...
callaway, i am safe and sound in trondheim :]
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perpetrator seems to be a right-wing "anti islamistic" ethnic norwegian, "opposed to multiculturalism"
what a fucking freak...
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Only just noticed this thread, and as i live in my own bubble and pay no attention to the news...
...i am in shock!
Fuck! those teenagers, that is very sad news.
Glad you are far away zeg
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Only just noticed this thread, and as i live in my own bubble and pay no attention to the news...
...i am in shock!
Fuck! those teenagers, that is very sad news.
Glad you are far away zeg
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its confirmed, the perpetrator is some sort of lone maniac extremist, ethnic norwegian.
the attack on those teens is probably the worst. the building was largely empty, cus of vacations,
that political youth camp however was full of teens camping out
http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/world/2011/07/22/oslo-bombing-july-22-2011/#slide=1 (http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/world/2011/07/22/oslo-bombing-july-22-2011/#slide=1)
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Only just noticed this thread, and as i live in my own bubble and pay no attention to the news...
...i am in shock!
Fuck! those teenagers, that is very sad news.
Glad you are far away zeg
yes
its confirmed, the perpetrator is some sort of lone maniac extremist, ethnic norwegian.
the attack on those teens is probably the worst. the building was largely empty, cus of vacations,
that political youth camp however was full of teens camping out
http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/world/2011/07/22/oslo-bombing-july-22-2011/#slide=1 (http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/world/2011/07/22/oslo-bombing-july-22-2011/#slide=1)
That's proof that cops must be taken out first. Who knows how many terrorists are wearing uniforms of emergency service personnel? Better to be safe than sorry.
Seriously, it's a sad fucking day when someone dressed as a cop can do that shit. As if relations between the fuzz and civillians weren't bad enough as it is.
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awful. I bet a muslim did it! fucking bitches
no country is safe! :zoinks:
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Only just noticed this thread, and as i live in my own bubble and pay no attention to the news...
...i am in shock!
Fuck! those teenagers, that is very sad news.
Glad you are far away zeg
yes
its confirmed, the perpetrator is some sort of lone maniac extremist, ethnic norwegian.
the attack on those teens is probably the worst. the building was largely empty, cus of vacations,
that political youth camp however was full of teens camping out
http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/world/2011/07/22/oslo-bombing-july-22-2011/#slide=1 (http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/world/2011/07/22/oslo-bombing-july-22-2011/#slide=1)
Now they say that at least 80 people were killed at the youth camp shooting.
A suspect was arrested. Though police did not release his name, Norwegian national broadcaster NRK identified him as 32-year-old Anders Behring Breivik and said police searched his Oslo apartment overnight. NRK and other Norwegian media posted pictures of the blond, blue-eyed Norwegian.
(http://bigpondnews.com/320/240/jpg/data/articles/2011/07/23/TopStories/skynews_271320859.jpg)
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the island shooting must have been horrendous
the shooter, disguised as a cop lured teens (most of them 14-16 years of age) closer to him, before pulling a gun and executing them, with 16 confirmed by now, from what i know, and still upto 30 feared dead (many of them due to drowning, while trying to swim to safety)
Shooting unarmed teenagers is NOT :viking:
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awful. I bet a muslim did it! fucking bitches
no country is safe! :zoinks:
You did it. We know how much you and zegh don't get along, but this is going TOO FUCKING FAR!!
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I want to see ZEGH grudge fuck Ricktard in the ass!!! :ATM:
:jerry:
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learn to read richard.
Perpetrator: whiter than white, norwegianer than norwegian:
(http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2011/07/23/1226100/323094-anders-behring-breivik.jpg)
right-wing, extreme christian
91 confirmed dead, the vast majority found shot dead on the island (over 80)
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It's Razor with the spots photoshopped out! :zoinks:
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it is :I
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Although razor looks far more weedier, although there ARE familiar facial features. Possible relations?
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Only just noticed this thread, and as i live in my own bubble and pay no attention to the news...
...i am in shock!
Fuck! those teenagers, that is very sad news.
Glad you are far away zeg
yes
its confirmed, the perpetrator is some sort of lone maniac extremist, ethnic norwegian.
the attack on those teens is probably the worst. the building was largely empty, cus of vacations,
that political youth camp however was full of teens camping out
http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/world/2011/07/22/oslo-bombing-july-22-2011/#slide=1 (http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/world/2011/07/22/oslo-bombing-july-22-2011/#slide=1)
Now they say that at least 80 people were killed at the youth camp shooting.
A suspect was arrested. Though police did not release his name, Norwegian national broadcaster NRK identified him as 32-year-old Anders Behring Breivik and said police searched his Oslo apartment overnight. NRK and other Norwegian media posted pictures of the blond, blue-eyed Norwegian.
(http://bigpondnews.com/320/240/jpg/data/articles/2011/07/23/TopStories/skynews_271320859.jpg)
No matter how on guard a country is, it's not possible to be prepared for lonely nutters like that. Because they act only on their own, no one will notice something to prevent this happening.
Wonder what mental condition they are going to come up with to "ease" the people.
So sorry for all the people mourning for their loved ones. Horrible, losing kids this way.
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hyke, interestingly, they are describing him as calculated, logical and seemingly reasonable, obviously, not as in his actions were reasonable :D but he is not described as insane, or incoherent, or neurotic or anything such.
just in from the latest press conference, the shooting lasted an hour and a half. he surrendered being called upon by the approaching police, and seems to be cooperative, but "tiresome" to question.
witnesses describe how he would calmly take walks around the small islet, which is easily circumvented in 15-20 minutes, while wearing the police uniform, luring out many people who did not know him by sight, hiding from the shooting, believing him to be a cop. witnesses describe watching entire groups of people being mowed down before their eyes, as they approached him believing him to be police.
i remember yesterday, thinking that it was a bad idea for them to try to swim across (which has resulted in many drowned), but in retrospect, it seems like the only option, as he had well over an hour to search through a fairly limited length of beach, and some woods...
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Sounds like he might be a Schizoid.
but then again, I'm probably one too. :-[
I wouldn't shoot unarmed teenagers though, I'd shoot cops. :viking:
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I'm amused by all the people who've mistaken the street lamps in Oslo for UFOs, especially the ones who continue to claim that they're UFOs even after it's been pointed out that they're street lamps.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread731329/pg1 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread731329/pg1)
3rd Video Oslo Norway Explosion UFO caught on Film 2011.mp4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUZC7M26a_s#)
UFO at Oslo explosion. Is it involved? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=606ll0Bovhw#)
New Footage - UFO Fleet Over Oslo Norway 22nd July 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfNVZWDv7aM#ws)
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send him to a UFO convention next, please god...
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It's Razor with the spots photoshopped out! :zoinks:
:LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO:
Thank you Schleed , this thread was really getting me down , that comment lifted me right up. :plus:
Although razor looks far more weedier, although there ARE familiar facial features. Possible relations?
Edit: Fuck it , this guy is ugly in and out may his innards catch fire and boil him from the inside out. :thumbup:
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I s'pose he was looking for the Oslo Schoolbook depository building thinking it was 1963.
It couldn't have been Sol, the guy doesn't look anime enough.
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The burzum guy also was norweigan and is in prison for killing people. the only thing this guy is missing is a hit record
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The burzum guy also was norweigan and is in prison for killing people. the only thing this guy is missing is a hit record
And a BIG FUCKING PETER.
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(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc489/hiluxmk5/shooter.jpg)
notice the man in the water begging, hands raised
the bodies floating
the pool of blood around one of the victims
and the perpetrator communicating w the begging man, rifle in hand, unlikely to have let him live in the end. the perpetrator holds the rifle downwards, not aiming, so its clear he is talking w the victim.
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I can understand why some people snap, I just can't see how they choose innocent people as victims.
It's damn cowardly.
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There were some heroes in the island massacre:
"Otto Loevik, who declined to be interviewed, was one of several campers who came to the rescue of the youths Friday, transporting them to the Utvika campsite and rushing back again, throwing lifejackets to those they could not take on board."
Unfortunately, he and the other rescuers had to choose who to take on board the boats. Truly horrific decisions.
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There were some heroes in the island massacre:
"Otto Loevik, who declined to be interviewed, was one of several campers who came to the rescue of the youths Friday, transporting them to the Utvika campsite and rushing back again, throwing lifejackets to those they could not take on board."
Unfortunately, he and the other rescuers had to choose who to take on board the boats. Truly horrific decisions.
countless such stories.
people on the island used their phones to text and twitter locals to get to their boats
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I can understand why some people snap, I just can't see how they choose innocent people as victims.
It's damn cowardly.
This wasn't snapping.
It was planned.
The man was "rational" within his delusion.
His goal was to create as much havoc as possible, to disrupt society as hard as he could.
He knows what he has done, he is not regretting it.
Things his lawyer told today.
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Makes Martin Bryant and Julian Knight look like playground bullies giving wedgies to the freshmen.
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I can understand why some people snap, I just can't see how they choose innocent people as victims.
It's damn cowardly.
This wasn't snapping.
It was planned.
The man was "rational" within his delusion.
His goal was to create as much havoc as possible, to disrupt society as hard as he could.
He knows what he has done, he is not regretting it.
Things his lawyer told today.
yes
he dedicated 9 years to it...
i cant think but 9 years times douchebag... what a deluded sense of priority...
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I can understand why some people snap, I just can't see how they choose innocent people as victims.
It's damn cowardly.
I know what you mean.
If he had snapped I would have had some degree of pity but eh , this guy is pure evil.
I hope he gets a fitting punishment.
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I read that the maximum penalty he can serve in Norway is 21 years. I hope they make an exception for him, and lock him away for the rest of his life.
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I read that the maximum penalty he can serve in Norway is 21 years. I hope they make an exception for him, and lock him away for the rest of his life.
21 years is too short.
I don't support the death sentence , but Idk somethings changed now , and I kinda see why Bin Laden was killed.
Long story short I hope the fucker swings from the gallows.
The thought of 14 year old kids running for their life is heartbreaking , when I read about this I actually cried I never usually get so upset by these kind of things. :(
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I read that the maximum penalty he can serve in Norway is 21 years. I hope they make an exception for him, and lock him away for the rest of his life.
21 years is too short.
I don't support the death sentence , but Idk somethings changed now , and I kinda see why Bin Laden was killed.
Long story short I hope the fucker swings from the gallows.
The thought of 14 year old kids running for their life is heartbreaking , when I read about this I actually cried I never usually get so upset by these kind of things. :(
I'm pretty sure Norway doesn't have a death penalty.
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Nope.
Belarus is the last country in Europe to still have it (and is the poorest).
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I read that the maximum penalty he can serve in Norway is 21 years. I hope they make an exception for him, and lock him away for the rest of his life.
i explained on some pages ago :]
there IS an exception for cases like this. there IS a possibility for a lifetime in jail.
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I can understand why some people snap, I just can't see how they choose innocent people as victims.
It's damn cowardly.
This wasn't snapping.
It was planned.
The man was "rational" within his delusion.
His goal was to create as much havoc as possible, to disrupt society as hard as he could.
He knows what he has done, he is not regretting it.
Things his lawyer told today.
yes
he dedicated 9 years to it...
i cant think but 9 years times douchebag... what a deluded sense of priority...
So he snapped at least 9 years ago, but at some point he did snap.
You can't say that this guy is perfectly sane.
You used the right word ZEGH, deluded. Not to mention ego-maniacal and solipsistic
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I can understand why some people snap, I just can't see how they choose innocent people as victims.
It's damn cowardly.
This wasn't snapping.
It was planned.
The man was "rational" within his delusion.
His goal was to create as much havoc as possible, to disrupt society as hard as he could.
He knows what he has done, he is not regretting it.
Things his lawyer told today.
yes
he dedicated 9 years to it...
i cant think but 9 years times douchebag... what a deluded sense of priority...
So he snapped at least 9 years ago, but at some point he did snap.
You can't say that this guy is perfectly sane.
You used the right word ZEGH, deluded. Not to mention ego-maniacal and solipsistic
When I think of someone snapping, I picture someone who was OK before and will be OK after the snap happened, not someone who took nine years to plot and plan his revenge on society.
This feels much more deliberate to me.
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When I think of someone snapping, I picture someone who was OK before and will be OK after the snap happened, not someone who took nine years to plot and plan his revenge on society.
This feels much more deliberate to me.
I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. Look at Ted Kaczynski.
As a matter of fact, the first few pages of Anders Breivik's Manifesto was a direct plaigerism of the Unabomber Manifesto.
There's your explanation right there, Anders is Norway's Ted Kaczynski. :police:
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Sure he snapped and is nuts but he knew perfectly well what he was doing and that it was so very wrong it is no excuse. While I am no fan of the death penalty by any means this is clear enough he could have a choice in penlites. One cooperate fully and live the rest of his life as a test subject to find out WTF went wrong with his brain so as to help prevent such things in the future tests could and will include some very invasive tests. Or two he gets slathered in seal blubber and dropped off naked on an ice flow with hungry polar bears far from land.
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you guys should check out his manifesto
large parts of it (mostly the political rants) are copied, uncredited, from the unabomber,
but when it gets to the ultra-meticulous plannings, not to mention nostradamic planning for europe and the world even, its absolutely... tiresome...
its almost painful the AMMOUNT of detail this guy has lined up, for hundreds and hundreds and huuundreds of pages, for such a delusion. one pattern, is that it all culminates to his word: And this means the muslims will fuck us over! but in between those conclusions, there are hundreds of pages of what ammunition to use, classification of traitor-classes, execution for everyone, coup in france by 2030, "we must then get russia on our side, that is of the utmost importance!" yes yes why not, he throws china in too, and by 2030 mind you, its all planned up!
it continues, theres endless instructions for weaponry, how to buy, where to avoid, what cost to expect, how to balance an affordable weapon vs being able to surpass law enforcement weaponry
on and on...
then his journals, day by day, hes like a happy boy-scout, reporting on his bomb making, EXTREMELY meticulous, he presents calculations to explain the plain logic of why he must work completely alone, and he had some sort of plan on how to keep delaying any visits from family or friends
i spotted one journal entry, where he was absolutely delighted at a box he had bought, to hide his armor in the woods. that this box had withstood weather, he was sure it would even withstand permafrost, and he was enormously excited about it.
wtf...
this guy lived and breathed nothing but this vision of his
the perfection he put into it... is terrifying
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Hopefully that is not enough to get him off the hook as "mentally ill" - which he obviously was.
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Hopefully that is not enough to get him off the hook as "mentally ill" - which he obviously was.
mentally ill as maybe sociopathic.
i wouldnt be too surprised if he is aspie, judging by his manifesto, which is as if written by an android, at times...
aspie, sociopath, christian-right-wing-extremist, with THAT conviction - of all convictions to pursuit, quite litterally one in seven billion, poof
his manifesto ranges from completely ludicrous and raving (his political ranting) to extremely rational, when he discusses equipment and approach strategies. that what is so bone chilling about it
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I wish that there had been some other armed adults at that kid's camp so one of them could have blown him away and stopped the massacre.
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I wish that there had been some other armed adults at that kid's camp so one of them could have blown him away and stopped the massacre.
i think your average civilian with a gun would not stand a chance against his fanatical pre planning
he drugged himself, so that he could stay cool and collected without experiencing shock, for example, he took all eventualities into account. no civilian would
in his own words, turning himself into a potential one-man army
what he SHOULDA done, is have some balls, and try to take a few shots at the approaching swats, instead of surrendering like a bitch - especially after bragging about martyrdom (even designing fitting gravestones)
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I wish that there had been some other armed adults at that kid's camp so one of them could have blown him away and stopped the massacre.
i think your average civilian with a gun would not stand a chance against his fanatical pre planning
he drugged himself, so that he could stay cool and collected without experiencing shock, for example, he took all eventualities into account. no civilian would
in his own words, turning himself into a potential one-man army
what he SHOULDA done, is have some balls, and try to take a few shots at the approaching swats, instead of surrendering like a bitch - especially after bragging about martyrdom (even designing fitting gravestones)
Proof that he wasn't mentally ill. He knew what the fuck he was doing.
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He's probably pretty happy about the publicity his manifesto is getting.
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I wish that there had been some other armed adults at that kid's camp so one of them could have blown him away and stopped the massacre.
i think your average civilian with a gun would not stand a chance against his fanatical pre planning
he drugged himself, so that he could stay cool and collected without experiencing shock, for example, he took all eventualities into account. no civilian would
in his own words, turning himself into a potential one-man army
what he SHOULDA done, is have some balls, and try to take a few shots at the approaching swats, instead of surrendering like a bitch - especially after bragging about martyrdom (even designing fitting gravestones)
Proof that he wasn't mentally ill. He knew what the fuck he was doing.
He knew right from wrong so he wasn't insane, but he was certainly mentally ill. You don't shoot 60 children unless something is seriously wrong with you.
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I wish that there had been some other armed adults at that kid's camp so one of them could have blown him away and stopped the massacre.
i think your average civilian with a gun would not stand a chance against his fanatical pre planning
he drugged himself, so that he could stay cool and collected without experiencing shock, for example, he took all eventualities into account. no civilian would
in his own words, turning himself into a potential one-man army
what he SHOULDA done, is have some balls, and try to take a few shots at the approaching swats, instead of surrendering like a bitch - especially after bragging about martyrdom (even designing fitting gravestones)
Proof that he wasn't mentally ill. He knew what the fuck he was doing.
He knew right from wrong so he wasn't insane, but he was certainly mentally ill. You don't shoot 60 children unless something is seriously wrong with you.
And they should find out what by any means to help stop this in the future.
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Peter, yes, but it gives invaluable insight.
He tells of meeting with secretive individuals abroad, when he was as young as 21-22. these included serb war veterans, who had "slain many a muslim!",
these are who tell him of the future plans of europe
(so, in reality we have a bunch of raggedy unemployed angry people, ranting about future world hegemony)
and he leaves that meeting, INTENT... on making this plan a reality
its more than possible, that he took way too seriously, something the other ones were merely wish-ranting
parts, i think thats not possible. even if they could diagnose him directly, then what?
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parts, i think thats not possible. even if they could diagnose him directly, then what?
He could be the subject of countless studies as to why this happens. I am sure there are some biological markers or defects in his brain. Find them even if the tests are invasive he has given up his human card and should be treated as a lab rat
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parts, i think thats not possible. even if they could diagnose him directly, then what?
He could be the subject of countless studies as to why this happens. I am sure there are some biological markers or defects in his brain. Find them even if the tests are invasive he has given up his human card and should be treated as a lab rat
i doubt it tho...
its pretty damn scary tho, especially how young he was when _making his mind up_, the rest has been preparations.
its as if i _decide_ on an ideology when im 18 or something, and STILL live and die by that ideology.
NOT having done that, i have grown every year of my life since then, and learned a lot more.
tbh, had i stuck to that ideology, i woulda been a die hard stalinist or something by now, but im not. in time, i abandoned political idealism.
he had an _extreme_ idealism allready as young. he also have had very bad luck it seems, describing several confrontations w muslim youth, that ended in violence. from his point of view, he seems to believe this is a natural thing, that all norwegians fistfight muslims routinely on their way to the store
it is profoundly deluded
but i dont think it can be used in any way, even if identified.
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I wish that there had been some other armed adults at that kid's camp so one of them could have blown him away and stopped the massacre.
i think your average civilian with a gun would not stand a chance against his fanatical pre planning
he drugged himself, so that he could stay cool and collected without experiencing shock, for example, he took all eventualities into account. no civilian would
in his own words, turning himself into a potential one-man army
That doesn't necessarily mean that he was tactically proficient. Was he ex-military by any chance??
what he SHOULDA done, is have some balls, and try to take a few shots at the approaching swats, instead of surrendering like a bitch - especially after bragging about martyrdom (even designing fitting gravestones)
:agreed: That would've been the only :viking: thing he did.
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Proof that he wasn't mentally ill. He knew what the fuck he was doing.
You can still know what you're doing and be mentally ill. Look at Ted Bundy.
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He's probably pretty happy about the publicity his manifesto is getting.
His surrender was also a act of pride in his work to ensure people knew who he was, what he did and most importantly, why he did it.
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I wish that there had been some other armed adults at that kid's camp so one of them could have blown him away and stopped the massacre.
i think your average civilian with a gun would not stand a chance against his fanatical pre planning
he drugged himself, so that he could stay cool and collected without experiencing shock, for example, he took all eventualities into account. no civilian would
in his own words, turning himself into a potential one-man army
That doesn't necessarily mean that he was tactically proficient. Was he ex-military by any chance??
none. he felt "no loyalty" to the "cultural-marxist" gvt of norway ::)
he does however go into great _theoretical_ detail, when it comes to tactics and strategy, emphasizing the importance of preparation, and clearly, this was extremely well prepared.
again with strong paralels to the oklahoma bombing, in which also a single person went through with maticulous preparations, to quite a devastating (and tactically successful) attack
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again with strong paralels to the oklahoma bombing, in which also a single person went through with maticulous preparations, to quite a devastating (and tactically successful) attack
Yes, but Timothy McVeigh was ex-special forces. He was professionally trained, and this bozo wasn't.
I'm sure any former soldier civilian with a gun could've taken him down.
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again with strong paralels to the oklahoma bombing, in which also a single person went through with maticulous preparations, to quite a devastating (and tactically successful) attack
Yes, but Timothy McVeigh was ex-special forces. He was professionally trained, and this bozo wasn't.
I'm sure any former soldier civilian with a gun could've taken him down.
my point is - he trained himself, fanatically, physically, mentally, tactically.
imo, he was on par with someone with at least basic military training + a lot of tactical theoretic knowledge:
he was much better prepared than your average palestinian boy (ironically, the palestinian boy has ten times the bawls between his legs)
we know how fragile and unpredictable an armed confrontation could be. i CAN imagine this guy being able to give swat at least some nerves, if he didnt surrender, but all in all, he wouldnt be able to survive had it come to that - and he knew it - he surrendered out of doubt and fear (since he promised martyrdom)
he is a rare example of someone who isnt "just a bozo", and we should recognize it as such - in order to not "underestimate the enemy" so to speak. this guy was VERY well prepared. his bombs _went off_, to spectacular effect. his location was very wisely chosen, for the maximum horrifying effect (instead of random, or rushedly chosen)
he stuffed nicotine into his dum-dum bullets
and out of 500, he managed to hit 150, and kill (now downcounted) to over 70
its important to recognize this level of preparation, as a reminder to us, that this was 1 guy. in the UK similar minded people in forums brandish RPG's they have aquired. naturally, 99,9% of these brag, show guns, and in very worst case will blow up some warehouse or something,
but this guy went faaar beyond that, and in his "manifesto" explains numerous examples of much heavyer operations.
OF COURSE, "who doesnt?", like, endless movie-writers, fiction-writers etc are well capable of imagining, and writing about fictional military operations that have a chance of theoretic success
im still suspecting he has written all this down, hoping to manipulate likeminded who read it into believing there IS an organization (which doesnt exist) to commend them when the "future civil war" comes and ends
again, not "some bozo", but clearly narcissistic, megalomaniac and enormously self controlled (paradoxally, as imo he SHOULD have controlled himself to snap the fuck out of it)
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Why the fuck attack Norway :zombiefuck:
I know, what did norway ever do to anyone? it's like kicking the dog.. :LOL:
But in all seriousness. Lots of love to norway <3 <3 <3 <3 :-\
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Why the fuck attack Norway :zombiefuck:
I know, what did norway ever do to anyone? it's like kicking the dog.. :LOL:
But in all seriousness. Lots of love to norway <3 <3 <3 <3 :-\
you DO know it was a home-bred terrorist right? :D
norway didnt "do anything to anyone", rather, he felt betrayed by "his own"
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Why the fuck attack Norway :zombiefuck:
I know, what did norway ever do to anyone? it's like kicking the dog.. :LOL:
But in all seriousness. Lots of love to norway <3 <3 <3 <3 :-\
you DO know it was a home-bred terrorist right? :D
norway didnt "do anything to anyone", rather, he felt betrayed by "his own"
according to DN he was against multiculturalism, but he was german? NICE LOGIC THAR.
It was so sad when the pm was crying on tv :/
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I found a post from a Utoya survivor on a forum that I occasionally visit:
http://www.leagueofreason.co.uk//viewtopic.php?f=16&t=8065 (http://www.leagueofreason.co.uk//viewtopic.php?f=16&t=8065)
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Why the fuck attack Norway :zombiefuck:
I know, what did norway ever do to anyone? it's like kicking the dog.. :LOL:
But in all seriousness. Lots of love to norway <3 <3 <3 <3 :-\
you DO know it was a home-bred terrorist right? :D
norway didnt "do anything to anyone", rather, he felt betrayed by "his own"
according to DN he was against multiculturalism, but he was german? NICE LOGIC THAR.
It was so sad when the pm was crying on tv :/
hes not german...
look. i demand you at least look up the wikipedia article on him, before making any further erroneous statements :D
"ah well, at least he's a redhead!"
"no he isnt :S"
"weird. the bbc said he was. ah well, at least hes not gonna last long in prison, with a wooden leg!"
"he doesnt have a wooden leg :S"
"oh... weird... well, at least he wont need his teeth there :D"
"he has all his teeth :S"
"oh... "
hes home bred, pure norwegian, norwegian as it gets, and attacked fellow norwegians.
his aim was
1. to destroy the future generation of arbeiderpartimembers
2. inspire/incite a chain reaction of similar attacks
3. cause a european civil war by 2020 (no less)
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I found a post from a Utoya survivor on a forum that I occasionally visit:
http://www.leagueofreason.co.uk//viewtopic.php?f=16&t=8065 (http://www.leagueofreason.co.uk//viewtopic.php?f=16&t=8065)
thanx for the link, intense reading :I
i absolutely love that he asks people NOT to talk about "archangels" or "angel guardians" as we call them here, as he finds it insulting to those who died. ive often thought of that before, how can a surviver attribute their luck to gods and angels? it implies that everyone who died werent deserving of gods and angels.
he survived thanx to the effort of people.
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And so the political cartoons begin.
(http://images.ucomics.com/comics/bda/2011/bda110726.gif)
What does that even mean? :dunno:
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And so the political cartoons begin.
(http://images.ucomics.com/comics/bda/2011/bda110726.gif)
What does that even mean? :dunno:
That's a weird one :dunno:
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again with strong paralels to the oklahoma bombing, in which also a single person went through with maticulous preparations, to quite a devastating (and tactically successful) attack
Yes, but Timothy McVeigh was ex-special forces. He was professionally trained, and this bozo wasn't.
I'm sure any former soldier civilian with a gun could've taken him down.
my point is - he trained himself, fanatically, physically, mentally, tactically.
imo, he was on par with someone with at least basic military training + a lot of tactical theoretic knowledge:
he was much better prepared than your average palestinian boy (ironically, the palestinian boy has ten times the bawls between his legs)
we know how fragile and unpredictable an armed confrontation could be. i CAN imagine this guy being able to give swat at least some nerves, if he didnt surrender, but all in all, he wouldnt be able to survive had it come to that - and he knew it - he surrendered out of doubt and fear (since he promised martyrdom)
he is a rare example of someone who isnt "just a bozo", and we should recognize it as such - in order to not "underestimate the enemy" so to speak. this guy was VERY well prepared. his bombs _went off_, to spectacular effect. his location was very wisely chosen, for the maximum horrifying effect (instead of random, or rushedly chosen)
he stuffed nicotine into his dum-dum bullets
and out of 500, he managed to hit 150, and kill (now downcounted) to over 70
its important to recognize this level of preparation, as a reminder to us, that this was 1 guy. in the UK similar minded people in forums brandish RPG's they have aquired. naturally, 99,9% of these brag, show guns, and in very worst case will blow up some warehouse or something,
but this guy went faaar beyond that, and in his "manifesto" explains numerous examples of much heavyer operations.
OF COURSE, "who doesnt?", like, endless movie-writers, fiction-writers etc are well capable of imagining, and writing about fictional military operations that have a chance of theoretic success
im still suspecting he has written all this down, hoping to manipulate likeminded who read it into believing there IS an organization (which doesnt exist) to commend them when the "future civil war" comes and ends
again, not "some bozo", but clearly narcissistic, megalomaniac and enormously self controlled (paradoxally, as imo he SHOULD have controlled himself to snap the fuck out of it)
Well, you've obviously done your research on this guy, but it still doesn't change a thing. Fact is is that this guy never went toe to toe with a trained soldier so we can't say for certain how he would fare.
I'm reminded of my encounter with the Santa Barbara County Sherrif. They charged on to the property I was on, being led by a fromer Army Staff Sergeant. They entered with their right flank totaly exposed, and if I had been armed, I could've poured fire into them without them being able to return fire. I also could've shot their chopper down, as it was flying low enough for me to hit the pilot. That would've been Scrapheap -5 Santa Barbara County Sherrif -0.
What it boils down to, is that you need to have a killers instinct in addition to training, and even those who are trained can make tactical errors, such as that the County Sherrif did with me.
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hes not german...
I read that he was german! his dad lives in france!
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Well, you've obviously done your research on this guy, but it still doesn't change a thing. Fact is is that this guy never went toe to toe with a trained soldier so we can't say for certain how he would fare.
I'm reminded of my encounter with the Santa Barbara County Sherrif. They charged on to the property I was on, being led by a fromer Army Staff Sergeant. They entered with their right flank totaly exposed, and if I had been armed, I could've poured fire into them without them being able to return fire. I also could've shot their chopper down, as it was flying low enough for me to hit the pilot. That would've been Scrapheap -5 Santa Barbara County Sherrif -0.
What it boils down to, is that you need to have a killers instinct in addition to training, and even those who are trained can make tactical errors, such as that the County Sherrif did with me.
Wow, what did they want with you in the first place that they rushed in like that with a back-up chopper, Scrapheap?
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Wow, what did they want with you in the first place that they rushed in like that with a back-up chopper, Scrapheap?
That was the incident where I was target shooting on some Meth-freak's property. He told us to shoot in the wrong direction, there was a house near where we were shooting and the people called the Sherrifs insted of calling their neighbors to cease fire.
The Sherrifs saw it as an opportunity to grand-stand and make a big show of it. If I had my L1A1 at the time, I'd be in prision right now on 5 counts of murder. :-\
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hes not german...
I read that he was german! his dad lives in france!
doesnt matter, his main "quest" is pan-europeanism and anti-islamism, oh and anti "cultural marxism" ::)
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He's probably pretty happy about the publicity his manifesto is getting.
His surrender was also a act of pride in his work to ensure people knew who he was, what he did and most importantly, why he did it.
You guys are making scrappeep angry