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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Leto729 on December 29, 2006, 11:18:24 PM
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Saddam is dead hanged Iraq. So what do anybody believe about His Death Life and does it make Iraq better?
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One less case of Malignant Narcissist Personality Disorder on the planet. ::)
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He should have foreseen this. Why didn't he stay in Bagdad three years ago or took part in an attack on the "infidels" and died like a hero and Allah's warrior? That would have made him a better martyr.
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Allah akbar!
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It really makes no difference, except providing another "martyr" for the terrorists and the insurgents. Which is ironic, because he didn't want to have anything to do with the terrorists unless he could control them and if he couldn't, he'd kill them. He became irrelevant to the insurgency ever since he was captured and after his sons were killed. His own people would have killed him sooner or later, since thats usually the way of brutal dictatorships, another equally brutal person would have stepped up (and still may) and continued the tradition of the strong man ruling with an iron fist scenario.
Same old shit in a brand new toilet!
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+ Ozy. 8)
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Same old shit in a brand new toilet!
This is my new favorite saying!! :laugh:
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I really don't think He is a martyr for anybody cause at all.
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I really don't think He is a martyr for anybody cause at all.
I agree in a way, but, as somebody pointed out on the news, the terrorists and insurgents will use ANY excuse to push their cause. Even if they hate the "martyr", "who cares we'll use him!" Cynicism and opportunism knows no bounds!
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I really don't think He is a martyr for anybody cause at all.
I agree in a way, but, as somebody pointed out on the news, the terrorists and insurgents will use ANY excuse to push their cause. Even if they hate the "martyr", "who cares we'll use him!" Cynicism and opportunism knows no bounds!
That maybe so but a real martyr He will never be at all.
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Who decides who a 'real' martyr is though? ???
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He's only going to be a "martyr" in the loosest sense....to those who want to make him one!
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I am cool with killing people for fun, and for spite, but I dislike it when they paint spite over with the term justice.
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They should have shot him on the spot instead of making it "legitimate" with that fake trial.
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He's only going to be a "martyr" in the loosest sense....to those who want to make him one!
Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot are all martyrs for some fucktard. ::)
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He's only going to be a "martyr" in the loosest sense....to those who want to make him one!
Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot are all martyrs for some fucktard. ::)
Exactly!!! And there is no shortage of fucktards out there!
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After some of the truly horrible and evil things he did to the Iraqi people, I am glad Saddam Hussein is dead, and I am glad he was tried before the Iraqi High Tribunal and found guilty before he was executed. Maybe it will be retribution in the eyes of some of the people whose relatives he tortured and killed.
Yes, some of the Baathists may retaliate and seek retribution for his death and kill more innocent people, but if he had been left alive some of the same people could have killed even more innocent people trying to get him released from prison. Now no matter what they do, they know he is gone and he will not be coming back. If it were not for that fact, I would have been just as happy personally to see him spend the rest of his life in prison, but it was not really up to me to decide.
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semi fucktard: OH MY ALLAH YOU KILLED SADDAM!
Big Fucktard: YOU BASTARD!
Cartman fucktard: NOW I'M GOING TO KICK YOU IN THE NUTS!
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I get annoyed by people killing people for killing people. For one thing, it seems unnecessarily spiteful, and for another thing, if your aim is to punish the guy, why of all things pick death as a punishment?
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I get annoyed by people killing people for killing people. For one thing, it seems unnecessarily spiteful, and for another thing, if your aim is to punish the guy, why of all things pick death as a punishment?
Well, for one reason, it will stop them killing again.
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I think prison would prevent him from killing again. Or you could admit him to a psychiatric hospital. I think that there are some humans which cannot function in society, but you only need remove them. You needn't kill them, it is just a spiteful waste. (I'd prefer using prisoners as property, the justice system would damn near pay for itself if it did.)
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I think prison would prevent him from killing again. Or you could admit him to a psychiatric hospital. I think that there are some humans which cannot function in society, but you only need remove them. You needn't kill them, it is just a spiteful waste. (I'd prefer using prisoners as property, the justice system would damn near pay for itself if it did.)
watch the movie American Me, Bobby.
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Can you summarize it, I'm never gonna watch it.
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Can you summarize it, I'm never gonna watch it.
sure!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4T2Sysf_w4
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I get annoyed by people killing people for killing people. For one thing, it seems unnecessarily spiteful, and for another thing, if your aim is to punish the guy, why of all things pick death as a punishment?
So killing people as punishment for killing hundreds of other people is spiteful, but killing your own child (as long as they are under 18) is perfectly acceptable?
I think the child should be property of the mother and father and not be recognized as a human until age 18.
And in that case, I think post natal abortion should be allowed, but why would you want to, when you could sell the child to medical science or into slave labor?
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I think they should have kept him alive until he had been tried for everything they had on him. As things are now, many of his victims will never get the closure they need, and some of Saddam's former allies can start breathing easier again.
Personally, I'm also against the death penalty. Nobody should have the right to kill another human being. Not that it bothers me the least that he's dead--the world is better off without him--but the way he died does bother me.
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That's a good point, Odeon. They could have tried him for more crimes he committed. I am against the death penalty as it is often carried out in my country, but I am not against the principle of the death penalty itself, if guilt can be absolutely proven, the crimes are heinous enough, and if there is a substantial risk that the person could commit more crimes if he or she is left alive. I think if Saddam Hussein had been left alive in prison for the rest of his life, his followers could have used the opportunity to threaten some violent acts if he was not released. Maybe they could have kidnapped some people and killed them if his release was not traded for their lives. At least now, the issue is settled and there is nothing that can be done to bring him back to power. His sons, Uday and Qusay Hussein, are dead too.
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I certainly hope that Saddam's death can bring something good to Iraq.
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I get annoyed by people killing people for killing people. For one thing, it seems unnecessarily spiteful, and for another thing, if your aim is to punish the guy, why of all things pick death as a punishment?
So killing people as punishment for killing hundreds of other people is spiteful, but killing your own child (as long as they are under 18) is perfectly acceptable?
I think the child should be property of the mother and father and not be recognized as a human until age 18.
And in that case, I think post natal abortion should be allowed, but why would you want to, when you could sell the child to medical science or into slave labor?
It might also fall into the category of spitefulness but it wouldn't piss me off unless the parent called it justice.
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So you feel murder is ok as long as people don't claim to do it the name of the justice?
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I'm not sure I would call it okay, but I would say I would be willing to tolerate it a whole lot more.
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<Just watched the unofficial phone-video, and downloaded it for posterity.>
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7532034279766935521
The unofficial one shows the guards taunting him and chanting Shi'ite political slogans. Looks like the mute sound on the official one was more about hiding the Shi'ite bias of the guards than anything to do with making it a dignified event.
One man shouts "Moqtada, Moqtada, Moqtada," a reference to cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, who heads a powerful Shi'ite political movement and a militia blamed by Washington and Sunni Arabs for running death squads targeting Saddam's Sunni Arab minority.
After he falls, the cry "The tyrant has fallen" is audible over shouting and other comments that could not be made out.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061231/ts_nm/iraq_saddam_taunts_dc
But a crude cell-phone video leaked less than 24 hours later goes much further — showing bitter exchanges between Hussein and his Shiite guards.
After Hussein offers prayers, the guards shout praise for Muqtada al-Sadr, the radical Shiite cleric whose father is believed to have been murdered by Hussein’s regime.
They chant, “Muqtada! Muqtada! Muqtada!â€
Hussein smiles.
“Is this how you show your bravery as men?†he asks.
“Straight to hell,†someone shouts back at him.
“Is this the bravery of Arabs?†Hussein asks.
A sole voice is heard trying to silence the taunts.
“Please, I am begging you not to,†the unknown man says. “The man is being executed.â€
Another shout, “Long live Mohammed Baqir Sadr†— referring to Muqtada al-Sadr’s father-in-law and a founder of the Shiite Dawa movement who was executed by the Hussein regime. Dawa is al-Maliki’s party.
The taunts continued, and the trapdoor dropped shortly after 6 a.m. Saturday. Hussein was hanged. (Watch Hussein’s last moments Video)
Immediately after, Shiite witnesses danced around his body, chanting celebratory slogans.
http://www.blogsofwar.com/2006/12/30/video-saddam-husseins-execution-hanging-shown/
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Could have the hanging be dealt better and been more respectful "yes".
Saddam I believe though was not respectful to His Countrymen when He ruled over them.
Did He get what He deserved yes and no. Remember this how many more did He kill, torture, gas, war against, etc. 10,000, 100,000, 1,000,000.
Yes it would have been better if they would have been respectful.
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What I don't understand is why all those people were present to begin with. Wasn't a few witnesses enough? And then, when it all became chaos, why present the Iraqi television with an edited version where everything went calmly? They know they blew the whole thing, and now all that there's left is to find a scapegoat (=the guy holding the mobile phone).
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What I don't understand is why all those people were present to begin with. Wasn't a few witnesses enough? And then, when it all became chaos, why present the Iraqi television with an edited version where everything went calmly? They know they blew the whole thing, and now all that there's left is to find a scapegoat (=the guy holding the mobile phone).
That's the way it works (or rather; doesn't work) in those countries. That's the kind of mentality that we westerners should be so thankful to eagerly embrace...
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What I don't understand is why all those people were present to begin with. Wasn't a few witnesses enough? And then, when it all became chaos, why present the Iraqi television with an edited version where everything went calmly? They know they blew the whole thing, and now all that there's left is to find a scapegoat (=the guy holding the mobile phone).
That's the way it works (or rather; doesn't work) in those countries. That's the kind of mentality that we westerners should be so thankful to eagerly embrace...
freedom of press?
or in reality: freedom to tell us which way to think.
i hold no truths, because all i am told is a lie.
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No, I mean that there was a lot of people at the hanging that didn't belong there.
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No, I mean that there was a lot of people at the hanging that didn't belong there.
i thought that we wqere talking about how the press gave a false overview of the proceedings. but the cellphone video showed the truth.
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Well, we were talking about both.
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What I don't understand is why all those people were present to begin with. Wasn't a few witnesses enough? And then, when it all became chaos, why present the Iraqi television with an edited version where everything went calmly? They know they blew the whole thing, and now all that there's left is to find a scapegoat (=the guy holding the mobile phone).
The Iraqi people deserve whatever government they get! As far as I'm concerned, let them kill each other to their hearts content. The point being.......we should never have been there! It was just a bunch of deluded old men..cheney, rumsfeld, rove, and a stupid moron named bush aka shrub, that have the blood of 3000 good soldiers on their hands.
I hope they all burn in the fires of hell!
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+ Ozy.
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+ Ozy.
Thanks, and + back!
And it keeps me ahead of you on post count, thats my inner post whore ascending above reasoning! :P mwhahahahahahahahaha
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We all need to respect each other beliefs ultimately that is what I was saying. Thou it most likely not understood in the end at all in the end.
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The Iraqi people deserve whatever government they get! As far as I'm concerned, let them kill each other to their hearts content. The point being.......we should never have been there! It was just a bunch of deluded old men..cheney, rumsfeld, rove, and a stupid moron named bush aka shrub, that have the blood of 3000 good soldiers on their hands.
I hope they all burn in the fires of hell!
I'm not sure the average Iraqi person deserves any of this. Between 50,000 and 60,000 civilians have been killed in Iraq since the war started, in addition to the 3,000 soldiers.
IMO, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld should be court-martialed.
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or tried for crimes against humanity.
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Or both.
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The Iraqi people deserve whatever government they get! As far as I'm concerned, let them kill each other to their hearts content. The point being.......we should never have been there! It was just a bunch of deluded old men..cheney, rumsfeld, rove, and a stupid moron named bush aka shrub, that have the blood of 3000 good soldiers on their hands.
I hope they all burn in the fires of hell!
I'm not sure the average Iraqi person deserves any of this. Between 50,000 and 60,000 civilians have been killed in Iraq since the war started, in addition to the 3,000 soldiers.
IMO, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld should be court-martialed.
then i said:
or tried for crimes against humanity.
then odeon said:
or both
isn't it a bastard when a post stands alone at the top of a new page?
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It is a bitch. We should have the means to control it on a case-by-case basis. :laugh:
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It is to bad it can not be done better in the end.