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Start here => Free For ALL => Topic started by: mordok on September 03, 2007, 11:14:27 PM
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I guess I am one of the rare examples of those who were helped by therapy Hadron. There just might be very few therapists who are worth a damn. I have seen quite a few in my time and only one was really good. I have had plenty of bad advice come from therapists, but not all are bad and worthless.
Mordok criticizes a good deal of people's posts, but I see very little of his own opinions put out there for others to criticize. Maybe I should just post wiki articles that back up everything I say, like I was doing when I first started posting here. Google search sometimes is too much work for me while I am trying to study or actually working at my job it seems. I like to speak from personal experiences and it is hard to trust statistics sometimes. Sociology is also bullshit and just makes for stereotypes far too often. I trust what I see with my own eyes more, though it is even a smaller sample size in most cases.
*sigh* And the thread had just gotten back on topic too....
When I have an opinion I feel worth sharing, I will do so. If you wish to know my opinions about something specific, feel free to ask. I have an "Ask me anything" thread located here: http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?topic=5191.0 (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?topic=5191.0) Or hell, give me a call out if you think it's something sinister and would like to make it an accusation.
And, as a reminder to both you and Hadron:
"There are no boundaries here over what may be said, save for one rule - be prepared to back up your words. Or face the wrath of the community."
From the front page of this site: http://www.intensitysquared.com/
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Why would I need to make accusations when I don't know your opinions to begin with? They are asked in threads all over this board to the community, yours just are rarely there to see from what I can tell. Why should I use your ask away thread anyways? I don't really care about your opinion on really any subject, so there is no point. They seem to be rather generic and held commonly by most people I meet that are around my age from the few things I have actually read. Feel free to keep armchairing critiquing though. I really doubt I would take you seriously enough to even consider your opinions sinister. This is the internet afterall.
I read that every time almost. That is a part of why I actually put my opinions out there. I don't mind being critisized by those who are also courageous enough to put their opinions out there themselves.
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This thread has been created to continue the discussion started here: http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?topic=5528.msg251183#msg251183 (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?topic=5528.msg251183#msg251183)
This discussion was actually a derailment of the original topic. As that topic has now been renewed there. I felt it better to move this side discussion to it's own thread.
I apologize for the disjointed nature. If a mod wants to copy or move the pertinent posts from that thread into here, it might make it more understandable.
edit: And now Callaway has done just that. Thank you.
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Why would I need to make accusations when I don't know your opinions to begin with?
And yet you just made one or two in that response.
They are asked in threads all over this board to the community, yours just are rarely there to see from what I can tell.
This is largely true. Although, I fail to see why this is such a problem to you. Particularly considering...
I don't really care about your opinion on really any subject, so there is no point.
Feel free to keep armchairing critiquing though.
I intend to. Everyone needs a hobby. >:D
Although, would you be so kind as to explain what the difference is between armchairing[sic] critiquing and a regular critique?
I really doubt I would take you seriously enough to even consider your opinions sinister. This is the internet afterall.
Sinister as in not for the reasons I claim. Not as in evil. Perhaps I should have said 'dubious'.
I read that every time almost. That is a part of why I actually put my opinions out there. I don't mind being critisized by those who are also courageous enough to put their opinions out there themselves.
Hint to the first point above: there is an implied accusation in this statement.
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I really do not want to derail this again after SG's very notable post. So I have placed my answer over in a new thread:
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?topic=5554.0 (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?topic=5554.0)
edit: This post is no longer pertinent to the discussion due to the merging posts and can be safely ignored. Either that or enjoy the circular link. :D
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i think Mordok gives much of himself here. much that others could critisize if they were so recli...i mean inclined. :P
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Why not make this a callout??
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what does armchairing critiquing mean ?
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what does armchairing critiquing mean ?
Pejorative term for amateur critics, I suppose.
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what does armchairing critiquing mean ?
It was supposed to be armchair critiquing. I went to bed right after hitting submit lol. It means he doesn't give his unique opinions and just sits back and snipes from the comfort of his chair on other people's posts. Kind of like armchair quarterbacking as far as people calling in on sports talk radio and pissing on players while sitting in their chairs all day.
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And yet you just made one or two in that response.
Accused myself of not knowing your opinions for the most part? Saying "me too" isn't an opinion really, no need for me to make accusations on those types of opinions. I am however accusing you of just giving someone else's opinion and not thinking up anything yourself. I would rather not be careful anymore and just put myself out there at the risk of being an ass.
This is largely true. Although, I fail to see why this is such a problem to you. Particularly considering...It isn't a problem to me, just makes you out to be nothing more than someone who critisizes without offering anything constructive.
I intend to. Everyone needs a hobby. >:D
Although, would you be so kind as to explain what the difference is between armchairing[sic] critiquing and a regular critique?
You don't put yourself out there, mostly you agree with someone else on opinionated matters. Your ass is rarely put on the line. There is nothing courageous about spouting off opinions that you just looked up on Google search to find your stance on. This is what I see most of the time on the internet anyways, you are no different.
Sinister as in not for the reasons I claim. Not as in evil. Perhaps I should have said 'dubious'.
Still doubt I would care enough to judge what you do in your personal life. Maybe if you put your children in direct danger, but I don't see you doing that thankfully.
Hint to the first point above: there is an implied accusation in this statement.
Not really implied in my opinion. The only field where people on this site are ever not remotely PC is that of sex. Everywhere else it is pure political correctness for the most part. You fall right in line most of the time. That isn't your own opinion, it mostly comes across as you being a parrot to me. Nothing unique or original about it at all.
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And yet you just made one or two in that response.
Accused myself of not knowing your opinions for the most part? Saying "me too" isn't an opinion really, no need for me to make accusations on those types of opinions. I am however accusing you of just giving someone else's opinion and not thinking up anything yourself. I would rather not be careful anymore and just put myself out there at the risk of being an ass.
And your supporting evidence of this is where? The board has a search feature. Feel free to use it.
This is largely true. Although, I fail to see why this is such a problem to you. Particularly considering...
It isn't a problem to me, just makes you out to be nothing more than someone who critisizes without offering anything constructive.
Critiques are not constructive?
You don't put yourself out there, mostly you agree with someone else on opinionated matters.
I was not aware that all opinions must be unique and that no agreement or consensus was allowed.
Your ass is rarely put on the line.
My ass is as much on the line with every post I make as yours is with each of yours. I tend towards critiquing and refinement of others' arguments. That doesn't make my analysis correct. My critiques can be shredded just as easily as your opinions if there is a flaw or weakness in them.
There is nothing courageous about spouting off opinions that you just looked up on Google search to find your stance on. This is what I see most of the time on the internet anyways, you are no different.
First you say that I never put opinions out there. Now you say that I do but they come from google. If you wish to attack me, at least be consistent.
Sinister as in not for the reasons I claim. Not as in evil. Perhaps I should have said 'dubious'.
Still doubt I would care enough to judge what you do in your personal life. Maybe if you put your children in direct danger, but I don't see you doing that thankfully.
I thought we were discussing the merits of opinions vs. critiques and how one is supposedly courageous while the other is not. When did my personal life enter into this?
Hint to the first point above: there is an implied accusation in this statement.
Not really implied in my opinion.
Actually, I agree. However, I was attempting to be open-minded considering you claimed in your first paragraph in that post that you weren't making accusations. I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt rather than assume that you couldn't be internally consistent for the duration of even a single post.
The only field where people on this site are ever not remotely PC is that of sex. Everywhere else it is pure political correctness for the most part. You fall right in line most of the time. That isn't your own opinion, it mostly comes across as you being a parrot to me. Nothing unique or original about it at all.
Oh heavens! I share some of the same opinions as others. I could not possibly have arrived at them independently. Obviously I am just parroting others in the hopes that people will accept and love me. And when that fails, I turn to the mighty google. ::)
But wait, how could you have reached this conclusion? You said earlier that you did not know my opinions:
Why would I need to make accusations when I don't know your opinions to begin with?
So which is it, you don't know them or you do and think them unoriginal?
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The fact that they come from Google sometimes (or wiki) makes them:
Unoriginal and not really your own opinions. They do not seem to be your own individual thought processes. That is why I do not know them, they aren't really there to begin with. True opinions come from within and are verified by personal experience along with data, not just Google search and wikipedia. This probably can be held true for the some of my "opinions" as well. I don't always take the time to formulate my own original opinion either and then put it out there.
I was not making the accusation that you were looking for actually. You wanted me to say you are sinister or dubious based on your opinions. That was the accusation I did not make. The only way I would ever say someone is sinister is based on their actions in their personal life. Internet posting isn't something I would use the word sinister to describe or even evil for that matter.
If they were constructive they would offer solutions instead of just pure criticisim. Though telling me to use the search feature could be considered constructive lol. Maybe if I didn't have work to do here every so often I would skim through more posts.
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The fact that they come from Google sometimes (or wiki) makes them:
Unoriginal and not really your own opinions. They do not seem to be your own individual thought processes. That is why I do not know them, they aren't really there to begin with. True opinions come from within and are verified by personal experience along with data, not just Google search and wikipedia. This probably can be held true for the some of my "opinions" as well. I don't always take the time to formulate my own original opinion either and then put it out there.
You've already made this claim. You have yet to even attempt to prove it.
I was not making the accusation that you were looking for actually. You wanted me to say you are sinister or dubious based on your opinions. That was the accusation I did not make. The only way I would ever say someone is sinister is based on their actions in their personal life. Internet posting isn't something I would use the word sinister to describe or even evil for that matter.
Believe it or not, I'm not looking for any accusations. You have at the very least implied that I am somehow not courageous. But that is beside my point.
What I am looking for is what your reason is for begrudging me the right to critique what others say.
If they were constructive they would offer solutions instead of just pure criticisim. Though telling me to use the search feature could be considered constructive lol.
So they are both not constructive and yet constructive. ???
Additionally, there's many, many ways for a critique to be constructive in this setting. Here's one just for starters -- Pointing out a flaw or lack of evidence in the poster's argument. If the poster then goes back and clarifies or enhances his argument, was this not constructive? In my opinion, it is more constructive than simply handing them a solution as it makes them go back and THINK about what they've said. If your point means enough to you to make the argument, be willing to back it up.
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i have a quick question:
would it help if people just stated something and clarified that it was only their opinion?
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If a mod wants to copy or move the pertinent posts from that thread into here, it might make it more understandable.
where are the mods when you need them ?
Anyhow, i don't know if it would make it understandable or not. It seems all greek to me ???
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i have a quick question:
would it help if people just stated something and clarified that it was only their opinion?
In a lot of cases, yes. However, there can still be questions as to how they came to that conclusion. At the minimum, it would change the emphasis from proof to explanation.
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i have a quick question:
would it help if people just stated something and clarified that it was only their opinion?
In a lot of cases, yes. However, there can still be questions as to how they came to that conclusion. At the minimum, it would change the emphasis from proof to explanation.
i would assume that the answer would usually lie in personal bias/ prejudice.
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i have a quick question:
would it help if people just stated something and clarified that it was only their opinion?
In a lot of cases, yes. However, there can still be questions as to how they came to that conclusion. At the minimum, it would change the emphasis from proof to explanation.
i would assume that the answer would usually lie in personal bias/ prejudice.
It's certainly one of many possibilities. It would depend on the nature of the claim, really.
And what's wrong with wanting to examine those biases and prejudices? (Not directed at you, McJ. Just an open question.)
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i have a quick question:
would it help if people just stated something and clarified that it was only their opinion?
In a lot of cases, yes. However, there can still be questions as to how they came to that conclusion. At the minimum, it would change the emphasis from proof to explanation.
i would assume that the answer would usually lie in personal bias/ prejudice.
It's certainly one of many possibilities. It would depend on the nature of the claim, really.
And what's wrong with wanting to examine those biases and prejudices? (Not directed at you, McJ. Just an open question.)
nothin wrong with that at all.
i just think that it is awfully difficult to escape our influences.
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Pretty sure I say that the vast majority of my opinions are based on personal experience. That is what makes them opinions and not facts. If I was stating my opinions like they are facts, that is a different story altogether.
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i have a quick question:
would it help if people just stated something and clarified that it was only their opinion?
In a lot of cases, yes. However, there can still be questions as to how they came to that conclusion. At the minimum, it would change the emphasis from proof to explanation.
i would assume that the answer would usually lie in personal bias/ prejudice.
It's certainly one of many possibilities. It would depend on the nature of the claim, really.
And what's wrong with wanting to examine those biases and prejudices? (Not directed at you, McJ. Just an open question.)
nothin wrong with that at all.
i just think that it is awfully difficult to escape our influences.
I very much agree. It's even more difficult if we never stop to think how those influences....well, influence us.
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i find that the more i try to run from my own upbringing, the more i am controlled by it.
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i find that the more i try to run from my own upbringing, the more i am controlled by it.
As you have said yourself in other threads, you have to pick your battles. However, there is no hope if you don't really understand the nature of those battles to begin with.
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i find that the more i try to run from my own upbringing, the more i am controlled by it.
As you have said yourself in other threads, you have to pick your battles. However, there is no hope if you don't really understand the nature of those battles to begin with.
true.
i will step aside now. i just wanted to see if i was understanding this thread.
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i find that the more i try to run from my own upbringing, the more i am controlled by it.
As you have said yourself in other threads, you have to pick your battles. However, there is no hope if you don't really understand the nature of those battles to begin with.
true.
i will step aside now. i just wanted to see if i was understanding this thread.
Not as much fun as having flo cum all over your face, huh? ;)
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i find that the more i try to run from my own upbringing, the more i am controlled by it.
As you have said yourself in other threads, you have to pick your battles. However, there is no hope if you don't really understand the nature of those battles to begin with.
true.
i will step aside now. i just wanted to see if i was understanding this thread.
Not as much fun as having flo cum all over your face, huh? ;)
much moreso. by far.
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i find that the more i try to run from my own upbringing, the more i am controlled by it.
As you have said yourself in other threads, you have to pick your battles. However, there is no hope if you don't really understand the nature of those battles to begin with.
true.
i will step aside now. i just wanted to see if i was understanding this thread.
Not as much fun as having flo cum all over your face, huh? ;)
much moreso. by far.
Sometimes, the ciritical analysis is best avoided. :lol:
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This thread has been created to continue the discussion started here: http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?topic=5528.msg251183#msg251183 (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?topic=5528.msg251183#msg251183)
This discussion was actually a derailment of the original topic. As that topic has now been renewed there. I felt it better to move this side discussion to it's own thread.
I apologize for the disjointed nature. If a mod wants to copy or move the pertinent posts from that thread into here, it might make it more understandable.
I attempted to move all the posts here that were pertinent to this discussion, and I modified your initial post to change the thread title back to what it was before. If I missed any posts, please let me know.
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This thread has been created to continue the discussion started here: http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?topic=5528.msg251183#msg251183 (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?topic=5528.msg251183#msg251183)
This discussion was actually a derailment of the original topic. As that topic has now been renewed there. I felt it better to move this side discussion to it's own thread.
I apologize for the disjointed nature. If a mod wants to copy or move the pertinent posts from that thread into here, it might make it more understandable.
I attempted to move all the posts here tht were pertinent to this discussion, and I modified your initial post to change the thread title back to what it was before. If I missed any posts, please let me know.
Thank you! :plus:
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why is it that when people agree they get accused of being sheep or something? i don't get that.
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Because sheep are sexy.
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:-*
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Ooh Baahby baahby.
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hahaha ewe are so hot!
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*grins sheepishly*
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*wears a wool shirt*
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Shears milla.
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meep meep.
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Ghoul!
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Elf.
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Fuckn fairy.
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Why do so many threads here end with Cal and Mila spamming them??
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Because we were both here.
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That's all it takes huh??
Have you heard from her recently??
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Yeah. We spam the shit out of each other's fb posts.
Carla's too.
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Anyhow, ON TOPIC, the armchair that I'm in now has a nasty piece of metal
sticking out of it, the bottom has fallen out, so I need a board to sit on the
springs, it's fucking filthy, and too damned bulky and heavy to throw out
easily. :(
I really need to be more careful with shit I pull out of the garbage.
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Yeah. We spam the shit out of each other's fb posts.
Carla's too.
Lure your womens back here. :eyelash:
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Nah. The days of me being a source of new folk is long past.
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Do they know you're back?
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I think so.
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Oh, okay, I was just thinking they might like the idea better if they knew you were here. Plus they're not really new members. Wouldn't you like it better if they were here too? :dunno:
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Sure. 'Specially Milla, because we could spam up every single thread and make the place well nigh
useless to everyone else. Sometimes I was astounded by the tears we'd go on.
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Then lure your womens back here. :eyelash:
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You're enough for me...here.
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I like the competition. :zoinks:
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Oh, you poor little furball, you'd be left as some matted and bloody road pizza
on the spamsuperhighway.
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Oh, you poor little furball, you'd be left as some matted and bloody road pizza
on the spamsuperhighway.
:needpics:
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How is Milla these days?
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Oh, you poor little furball, you'd be left as some matted and bloody road pizza
on the spamsuperhighway.
:needpics:
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5060/5495833037_9f4500a91f_m.jpg)
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How is Milla these days?
More or less the same, I guess.
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Oh, you poor little furball, you'd be left as some matted and bloody road pizza
on the spamsuperhighway.
:needpics:
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5060/5495833037_9f4500a91f_m.jpg)
:2thumbsup:
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Oh, you poor little furball, you'd be left as some matted and bloody road pizza
on the spamsuperhighway.
I don't mind being underestimated. :zoinks: You're just worried I'll steal them away from you. :hahaha:
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Road pizza IS tasty. But only when fresh.
I'm used to my adorers playing with other toys for a bit,
but they always get bored when they stop twitching.
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So then, yes? :zoinks:
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Sad to say, when I mentioned (quite a while ago) I was back here, there was no interest.
Life moves on. Only I ruminate over the dungheaps of mine.
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:violin:
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It's nice to have music when I chew my cud.
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How is Milla these days?
More or less the same, I guess.
It would be fun to have her visit this place.
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:violin:
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My new arm chair is quite comfortable
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My new arm chair is quite comfortable
Glad we're back on topic.