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Start here => Free For ALL => Topic started by: Tesla on August 27, 2007, 12:52:51 PM
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My shrink told me I need to study Theory of Mind... What do you all know about it? Know any good books to read about it? Want to share your experiences about using it, and some banana peels you've slipped on? What are horse shoes? Do they have horse socks? Is anybody listening to me?
Theory of mind is the ability to attribute mental states—beliefs, intents, desires, pretending, knowledge, etc.—to oneself and others. As originally defined, it enables one to understand that mental states can be the cause of—and thus be used to explain and predict—others’ behavior.[4] Being able to attribute mental states to others and understanding them as causes of behavior means, in part, that one must be able to conceive of the mind as a “generator of representationsâ€[5] [6] and to understand that others’ mental representations of the world do not necessarily reflect reality and can be different from one’s own. It also means one must be able to maintain, simultaneously, different representations of the world. It is a ‘theory’ of mind in that such representations are not "directly observable" [7]. Many other human abilities—from skillful social interaction to language use—are said to involve a theory of mind.
I think that knowing this would really help me. I'm getting tired of being such an idiot about these things.
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:gotowp:
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I have a little trouble with this myself. I can pass the Sally-Anne test (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally-Anne_test).
I understand that everyone does not think just like me, but I still assume this and act as if they do sometimes anyway.
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I don't understand the theory of mind myself but the only thing I know about it is someone puts a ball in the box and leaves the room, this other person takes the ball out of the box and places it under a cup. The person who put the ball in the box will look in the box again to get the ball while an aspie or autie would say he would look under the cup. How do I know this? Because there is no way the perosn would know that other person moved his ball to another spot because he wasn't in the room so there is no way he could see it happening. I always look in the same spot where I put my things and find it frustrating when it's moved because then I can't find it.
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Tesla, what I know about it is very very little. Sorry.
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I don't understand the theory of mind myself but the only thing I know about it is someone puts a ball in the box and leaves the room, this other person takes the ball out of the box and places it under a cup. The person who put the ball in the box will look in the box again to get the ball while an aspie or autie would say he would look under the cup. How do I know this? Because there is no way the perosn would know that other person moved his ball to another spot because he wasn't in the room so there is no way he could see it happening. I always look in the same spot where I put my things and find it frustrating when it's moved because then I can't find it.
Yes, that is the basic description of the Sally-Anne test.
The experimenter uses two dolls, "Sally" and "Anne". Sally has a basket; Anne has a box. Experimenters show their subjects (usually children) a simple skit, in which Sally puts a marble in her basket and then leaves the scene. While Sally is away and cannot watch, Anne takes the marble out of Sally's basket and puts it into her box. Sally then returns and the children are asked where they think she will look for her marble. Children are said to "pass" the test if they understand that Sally will most likely look inside her basket before realizing that her marble isn't there.
Normal children under the age of four, along with most autistic children (of all ages), will answer "Anne's box," seemingly unaware that Sally does not know her marble has been moved.
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I know I would have answered "the box" as a little girl under age 10 not realizing Sall didn't know her marble has been moved. I would have assumed she knew because I saw it happening.
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T.O.M. is a bitch.
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i'll send you a paper i have on it. it's mostly academic stuff, but some of it is useful, especially the fact that ToM can be learned.
i had no ToM whatsoever for ages. i have learned it, but i still have to remind myself that not everyone else thinks as i do, more or less all the time. so, i have to deal with that intellectually, and tell myself that others think differently, even if i don't know/believe this within myself, inherently. if that makes sense.
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i'll send you a paper i have on it. it's mostly academic stuff, but some of it is useful, especially the fact that ToM can be learned.
i had no ToM whatsoever for ages. i have learned it, but i still have to remind myself that not everyone else thinks as i do, more or less all the time. so, i have to deal with that intellectually, and tell myself that others think differently, even if i don't know/believe this within myself, inherently. if that makes sense.
Thank you, that would be very kind of you. I'd be pleased to read it. :hug:
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i completely understand that others think differently than i do, but, i believe that they are mostly wrong. is that T.O.M.
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i completely understand that others think differently than i do, but, i believe that they are mostly wrong. is that T.O.M.
No, that's B.A.A. (Being An Asshole)
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i'll send you a paper i have on it. it's mostly academic stuff, but some of it is useful, especially the fact that ToM can be learned.
i had no ToM whatsoever for ages. i have learned it, but i still have to remind myself that not everyone else thinks as i do, more or less all the time. so, i have to deal with that intellectually, and tell myself that others think differently, even if i don't know/believe this within myself, inherently. if that makes sense.
Thank you, that would be very kind of you. I'd be pleased to read it. :hug:
on its way. :-* :hug:
i completely understand that others think differently than i do, but, i believe that they are mostly wrong. is that T.O.M.
lol. yep, i'd say so - sounds like me. ;D
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i completely understand that others think differently than i do, but, i believe that they are mostly wrong. is that T.O.M.
No, that's B.A.A. (Being An Asshole)
you wish i were 100% asshole. ever since you found out i thought your dick was cute.....slut.
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I always assume when someone pulls away from me when I hug them, they don't want to be hugged because I do that too. But if they did it for another reason, then I read their body language wrong.
I wonder if this is TOM. I go to the sign in sheet at work before I head for my break and the office clerk sees me but it pisses me off when they PM me during my break telling me a guest wants something. Good god, didn't he or she see me sign out. So it be obvious I am heading for a break. it would also piss me off when they keep PMing me during my dinner break after I told them I was on it. Then few minutes later they PM me again. And in my head I was saying "Don't you people ever look at the sheet to see how long ago we signed out?"
Took me two months to realize has it even occurred to me they didn't know I was signing out for my break because maybe other employees sometimes look at the sheet but don't head for the break. I had to figure that out when I saw myself looking at the sign in sheet but not signing out so bam it all clicked to me about that TOM. It doesn't occur to me either to look at the sheet to see when other employees have signed out for their dinner or for their 15 min. break so I assume the same with others. I assume the same with others about my body actions and what I think. Helps me understand others better and that they weren’t being stupid or aren’t being stupid such as the time when the office clerks kept PMing me on my break. They just didn’t know when I had clocked out and they never thought about looking at the sheet. Besides I don’t always sign out so how would they know I am on a break. I’m sure others do it too because I have seen other employees clocking out but not going to the sheet to write down their time because they walk by it. But I don’t get that problem anymore luckily. They must have finally figured out to ask me how long will it be when I get off my break and I tell them the time.
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i completely understand that others think differently than i do, but, i believe that they are mostly wrong. is that T.O.M.
No, that's B.A.A. (Being An Asshole)
Hey, McJ and I hace SOMETHING in common :laugh:
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Ive read psychology books and books about personality. I understand people think differently, but a lot of the time i am completely confused by people.
eg. today i was in a shop and the woman at the counter said, "im sorry if i am frowning, it's not at you, just that i have a headache."
Now: 1. i didn't notice, 2. wtf is she telling me for? - but whatever.
So i says - you should take a sicky.
I would, but you can't do them things when you work for your dad - she replies.
Ah, i remember them days, i say ( an attempt to establish some sort understanding).
Well, i wouldn't mind so much but i have had it for 3 days now, and mumbles something else - i can't remember.
Silence. She gives me the change and apologizes. I leave the shop.
What the fuck is she apologizing for? I have no idea, but i don't want to go in that shop again.
Also, it used to be the cheapest but i noticed the prices have gone up since last time. I may find somewhere else next time. I don't need that shit.
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Ive read psychology books and books about personality. I understand people think differently, but a lot of the time i am completely confused by people.
eg. today i was in a shop and the woman at the counter said, "im sorry if i am frowning, it's not at you, just that i have a headache."
Now: 1. i didn't notice, 2. wtf is she telling me for? - but whatever.
So i says - you should take a sicky.
I would, but you can't do them things when you work for your dad - she replies.
Ah, i remember them days, i say ( an attempt to establish some sort understanding).
Well, i wouldn't mind so much but i have had it for 3 days now, and mumbles something else - i can't remember.
Silence. She gives me the change and apologizes. I leave the shop.
What the fuck is she apologizing for? I have no idea, but i don't want to go in that shop again.
Also, it used to be the cheapest but i noticed the prices have gone up since last time. I may find somewhere else next time. I don't need that shit.
I assume she was just trying to create conversation with you. Its how smaller shops retain their business, its the personal touch. NT's seem to like it.
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Ive read psychology books and books about personality. I understand people think differently, but a lot of the time i am completely confused by people.
eg. today i was in a shop and the woman at the counter said, "im sorry if i am frowning, it's not at you, just that i have a headache."
Now: 1. i didn't notice, 2. wtf is she telling me for? - but whatever.
So i says - you should take a sicky.
I would, but you can't do them things when you work for your dad - she replies.
Ah, i remember them days, i say ( an attempt to establish some sort understanding).
Well, i wouldn't mind so much but i have had it for 3 days now, and mumbles something else - i can't remember.
Silence. She gives me the change and apologizes. I leave the shop.
What the fuck is she apologizing for? I have no idea, but i don't want to go in that shop again.
Also, it used to be the cheapest but i noticed the prices have gone up since last time. I may find somewhere else next time. I don't need that shit.
I assume she was just trying to create conversation with you. Its how smaller shops retain their business, its the personal touch. NT's seem to like it.
Yes, i think that could be it. I didn't like it when she apologized again after the transaction was finished.
Like she wants something in return, and my leaving the shop without saying goodbye is seen as a snub. I could think about these things for days, but maybe the shopwoman has already forgotten.
I dont know if this is a TOM issue or not. Although i don't really believe in the TOM anyway. It's all just pattern recognition.
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I failed that Sally-Anne test when I was 27. It was done as a different scenario but still. How embarrassing.
i had no ToM whatsoever for ages. i have learned it, but i still have to remind myself that not everyone else thinks as i do, more or less all the time. so, i have to deal with that intellectually, and tell myself that others think differently, even if i don't know/believe this within myself, inherently. if that makes sense.
It makes sense to me. Now when I make plans in my head I have to think to tell GA about them because usually I think if I have thought about it, then he knows automatically.
I didn't talk much as a kid probably because I thought that if I knew something, everybody else did too.
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i'll send you a paper i have on it. it's mostly academic stuff, but some of it is useful, especially the fact that ToM can be learned.
sounds interesting. Any chance of putting it up where we can all read it? or are you concerned about copyright issues?
Anyway, I'd also like to read it, if poss.
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Ive read psychology books and books about personality. I understand people think differently, but a lot of the time i am completely confused by people.
eg. today i was in a shop and the woman at the counter said, "im sorry if i am frowning, it's not at you, just that i have a headache."
Now: 1. i didn't notice, 2. wtf is she telling me for? - but whatever.
So i says - you should take a sicky.
I would, but you can't do them things when you work for your dad - she replies.
Ah, i remember them days, i say ( an attempt to establish some sort understanding).
Well, i wouldn't mind so much but i have had it for 3 days now, and mumbles something else - i can't remember.
Silence. She gives me the change and apologizes. I leave the shop.
What the fuck is she apologizing for? I have no idea, but i don't want to go in that shop again.
Also, it used to be the cheapest but i noticed the prices have gone up since last time. I may find somewhere else next time. I don't need that shit.
I assume she was just trying to create conversation with you. Its how smaller shops retain their business, its the personal touch. NT's seem to like it.
Yes, i think that could be it. I didn't like it when she apologized again after the transaction was finished.
Like she wants something in return, and my leaving the shop without saying goodbye is seen as a snub. I could think about these things for days, but maybe the shopwoman has already forgotten.
I dont know if this is a TOM issue or not. Although i don't really believe in the TOM anyway. It's all just pattern recognition.
I doubt she will have remembered you, unless you are a regular there. Given the volume of customers that would go into a shop. I dont believe in the TOM either, putting people into simple models is a bad idea in my view.
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II didn't talk much as a kid probably because I thought that if I knew something, everybody else did too.
I remember thinking the same :laugh: But I knew that other people knew loads of things that I didn't know(like rthe ules for those mysterious ployground games )so maybe that counts as ToM?
So, I used to irritate people by asking loads of difficult questions, then I'd feel deflated 'cause they wouldn't give me an answer. I thought it was maybe beause they thought I was too too stupid to understand the answer, so I tried all the harder to prove that I was intelligent. Which also irritated people, oddly enough. *chuckle*
Hmm. Lots of theory of mind there, IMO. Totally off-beam, but I surely had plenty of theories.
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Back when I was in therapy I remember going to the guy once, confused, because some girl in one of my classes kept offering me a ride with her to my next class.
He asked me what her motivation might be. I told him I had no idea, thinking that there was no reason for most people to go out of their way to have my company.
He asked me to guess, and I said, "If I were her, I might be doing it because I wanted to get to know the person, or because we both had our next class in the same place and it was more convenient."
He fell all over me with praise for having thought of that angle. It was quite embarrassing. This is the guy who diagnosed me, and he clearly thought I was having some nebulous, disabling 'theory of mind' issues.
He was jumping the gun, though. It was just plain old insecurity.
I suspect people make too much of the whole 'theory of mind' thing. It doesn't occur to plenty of NT's that spectrumites might not think how they do. Look at how many of us were "encouraged" (read: forced) by our parents to learn to socialize, because after all, it's fun, right?
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:agreed:
http://isnt.autistics.org/salanne.html
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I get that people don't think like me. I have a bit more trouble figuring out what the alternative is, though. Not so much if I can actually see them, but as far as predicting, sux.
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I get that people don't think like me. I have a bit more trouble figuring out what the alternative is, though. Not so much if I can actually see them, but as far as predicting, sux.
i understand that you have an opinion, PMS, but your wrong.
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I get that people don't think like me. I have a bit more trouble figuring out what the alternative is, though. Not so much if I can actually see them, but as far as predicting, sux.
i understand that you have an opinion, PMS, but your wrong.
I never thought you would say that.
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I get that people don't think like me. I have a bit more trouble figuring out what the alternative is, though. Not so much if I can actually see them, but as far as predicting, sux.
i understand that you have an opinion, PMS, but your wrong.
I never thought you would say that.
yes YOU do, i am making perfect sense. if you would judt follow the logic....
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I get that people don't think like me. I have a bit more trouble figuring out what the alternative is, though. Not so much if I can actually see them, but as far as predicting, sux.
i understand that you have an opinion, PMS, but your wrong.
I never thought you would say that.
yes YOU do, i am making perfect sense. if you would judt follow the logic....
I'd prefer to follow the cheesecake.
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I get that people don't think like me. I have a bit more trouble figuring out what the alternative is, though. Not so much if I can actually see them, but as far as predicting, sux.
i understand that you have an opinion, PMS, but your wrong.
I never thought you would say that.
yes YOU do, i am making perfect sense. if you would judt follow the logic....
I'd prefer to follow the cheesecake.
oh, girl, it goes straight to my thighs.
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I get that people don't think like me. I have a bit more trouble figuring out what the alternative is, though. Not so much if I can actually see them, but as far as predicting, sux.
i understand that you have an opinion, PMS, but your wrong.
I never thought you would say that.
yes YOU do, i am making perfect sense. if you would judt follow the logic....
I'd prefer to follow the cheesecake.
oh, girl, it goes straight to my thighs.
I wonder if there's something that woudl do the same for to me?
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I get that people don't think like me. I have a bit more trouble figuring out what the alternative is, though. Not so much if I can actually see them, but as far as predicting, sux.
i understand that you have an opinion, PMS, but your wrong.
I never thought you would say that.
yes YOU do, i am making perfect sense. if you would judt follow the logic....
I'd prefer to follow the cheesecake.
oh, girl, it goes straight to my thighs.
I wonder if there's something that woudl do the same for to me?
remember, ask for three references and two notes of clean health from doctors.
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remember, ask for three references and two notes of clean health from doctors.
And a partidge in a pear tree.
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remember, ask for three references and two notes of clean health from doctors.
And a partidge in a pear tree.
four nerds a waiting.
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remember, ask for three references and two notes of clean health from doctors.
And a partidge in a pear tree.
four nerds a waiting.
I'm not that high-mainenance. I only need one.
At a time.
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Is this lacking theory of mind. I remember getting upset whenever people didn't answer me so I thought they were ignoring me so I keep asking and then they get mad and I think they were being mean because I wouldn't let them ignore me but my mother told me they are maybe thinking of an answer and I told her, then why don't they say so. At least I always say "Mmm let me think" to let people know I am thinking and she said "They aren't you. Just because you say it, doesn't mean everyone else will." Now I wait a few minutes before I ask again or I ask them if they are thinking.
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remember, ask for three references and two notes of clean health from doctors.
And a partidge in a pear tree.
four nerds a waiting.
I'm not that high-mainenance. I only need one.
At a time.
thus a waiting.... their turn.
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I failed that Sally-Anne test when I was 27. It was done as a different scenario but still. How embarrassing.
i had no ToM whatsoever for ages. i have learned it, but i still have to remind myself that not everyone else thinks as i do, more or less all the time. so, i have to deal with that intellectually, and tell myself that others think differently, even if i don't know/believe this within myself, inherently. if that makes sense.
It makes sense to me. Now when I make plans in my head I have to think to tell GA about them because usually I think if I have thought about it, then he knows automatically.
I didn't talk much as a kid probably because I thought that if I knew something, everybody else did too.
Ahhhh, yes. I do this a lot to poor Mordok...start conversations in the middle. Logically I know he doesn't know something just because I know it, but sometimes the brain goes on autopilot and whoooosh! He's looking at me all confused and I have no idea why.
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remember, ask for three references and two notes of clean health from doctors.
And a partidge in a pear tree.
four nerds a waiting.
I'm not that high-mainenance. I only need one.
At a time.
thus a waiting.... their turn.
That sounds unappealingly civilized.
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remember, ask for three references and two notes of clean health from doctors.
And a partidge in a pear tree.
four nerds a waiting.
I'm not that high-mainenance. I only need one.
At a time.
thus a waiting.... their turn.
That sounds unappealingly civilized.
they are just eager nerds. following your orders.
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remember, ask for three references and two notes of clean health from doctors.
And a partidge in a pear tree.
four nerds a waiting.
I'm not that high-mainenance. I only need one.
At a time.
thus a waiting.... their turn.
That sounds unappealingly civilized.
they are just eager nerds. following your orders.
Exactly. I should just have them team up and build me a sexbot with some kind of program/alogrythm that allows the 'bot to have the illusion of thinking on its own.
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remember, ask for three references and two notes of clean health from doctors.
And a partidge in a pear tree.
four nerds a waiting.
I'm not that high-mainenance. I only need one.
At a time.
thus a waiting.... their turn.
That sounds unappealingly civilized.
they are just eager nerds. following your orders.
Exactly. I should just have them team up and build me a sexbot with some kind of program/alogrythm that allows the 'bot to have the illusion of thinking on its own.
oh, a married man.
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oh, a married man.
I fail to follow your logic but I'm sure it's fantastically clever and amusing. care to explain it to the dumb blonde?
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the illusion of thinking on ones own is what got me.
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McLicker accused me of being ToM.
I don't understand the theory of mind myself but the only thing I know about it is someone puts a ball in the box and leaves the room, this other person takes the ball out of the box and places it under a cup. The person who put the ball in the box will look in the box again to get the ball while an aspie or autie would say he would look under the cup. How do I know this? Because there is no way the perosn would know that other person moved his ball to another spot because he wasn't in the room so there is no way he could see it happening. I always look in the same spot where I put my things and find it frustrating when it's moved because then I can't find it.
Yes, that is the basic description of the Sally-Anne test.
The experimenter uses two dolls, "Sally" and "Anne". Sally has a basket; Anne has a box. Experimenters show their subjects (usually children) a simple skit, in which Sally puts a marble in her basket and then leaves the scene. While Sally is away and cannot watch, Anne takes the marble out of Sally's basket and puts it into her box. Sally then returns and the children are asked where they think she will look for her marble. Children are said to "pass" the test if they understand that Sally will most likely look inside her basket before realizing that her marble isn't there.
Normal children under the age of four, along with most autistic children (of all ages), will answer "Anne's box," seemingly unaware that Sally does not know her marble has been moved.
but the kids could think sally could be telepathic or psychic and know the marble is in the box.
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don't worry milla, every person here is ToM when they don't share my thoughts. :laugh:
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no you're ToM, i'm the one who's right. :P
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are not.
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am too.
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are not.
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i'll send you a paper i have on it. it's mostly academic stuff, but some of it is useful, especially the fact that ToM can be learned.
i had no ToM whatsoever for ages. i have learned it, but i still have to remind myself that not everyone else thinks as i do, more or less all the time. so, i have to deal with that intellectually, and tell myself that others think differently, even if i don't know/believe this within myself, inherently. if that makes sense.
I think I have the same thing. Is it like when you know the theory, which you can say in words to yourself, but you can't really convince your subconscious that the thoery is true or even rectify the theory with yoru subconscious?
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something like that, yes. i've learned to accept intellectually that people don't think like me, but i can never work out why, even though i "know" it's because everyone's different. when i was young, i thought it was because everyone else was stupid, and couldn't see the obvious and logical way to think about things. :laugh:
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something like that, yes. i've learned to accept intellectually that people don't think like me, but i can never work out why, even though i "know" it's because everyone's different. when i was young, i thought it was because everyone else was stupid, and couldn't see the obvious and logical way to think about things. :laugh:
You mean that's not true? ???
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i know ! incredible, isn't it?
:rofl:
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i know ! incredible, isn't it?
:rofl:
I may owe some people a few apologies.
Nah. >:D
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i think i love you. :-*
:laugh:
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i know ! incredible, isn't it?
:rofl:
I may owe some people a few apologies.
Nah. >:D
Nah!
I often got into trouble because I thought everyone was as "smart" as I am.
:D
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i know ! incredible, isn't it?
:rofl:
I may owe some people a few apologies.
Nah. >:D
Nah!
I often got into trouble because I thought everyone was as "smart" as I am.
:D
Me too! My husband reminds me all the time that half the people have an IQ below 100, every time I wonder why someone did something that I think is stupid.
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i know ! incredible, isn't it?
:rofl:
I may owe some people a few apologies.
Nah. >:D
Nah!
I often got into trouble because I thought everyone was as "smart" as I am.
:D
Me too! My husband reminds me all the time that half the people have an IQ below 100, every time I wonder why someone did something that I think is stupid.
It makes Richard look bright, isnt he the only one who is under on this board? Asides perhaps Ahayes...
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i know ! incredible, isn't it?
:rofl:
I may owe some people a few apologies.
Nah. >:D
Nah!
I often got into trouble because I thought everyone was as "smart" as I am.
:D
Me too! My husband reminds me all the time that half the people have an IQ below 100, every time I wonder why someone did something that I think is stupid.
It makes Richard look bright, isnt he the only one who is under on this board? Asides perhaps Ahayes...
You are forgetting about yourself, Hadron.
;)
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i know ! incredible, isn't it?
:rofl:
I may owe some people a few apologies.
Nah. >:D
Nah!
I often got into trouble because I thought everyone was as "smart" as I am.
:D
Me too! My husband reminds me all the time that half the people have an IQ below 100, every time I wonder why someone did something that I think is stupid.
It makes Richard look bright, isnt he the only one who is under on this board? Asides perhaps Ahayes...
You are forgetting about yourself, Hadron.
;)
:laugh: Mine is supposedly genious level, although it was a long time ago since I did a test.
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im guessing you spelt genius wrong on purpose and now i have fallen into your trap !
:wallbutt:
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im guessing you spelt genius wrong on purpose and now i have fallen into your trap !
:wallbutt:
Yup... I think my IQ was 160 something though.
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im guessing you spelt genius wrong on purpose and now i have fallen into your trap !
:wallbutt:
Yup... I think my IQ was 160 something though.
IQs measure how good you are at IQ tests.
Genius is thrown about lightly and has nowt to do with IQ.
Ive met one person in my life who was genuinely a genius, Ruth Lawrence, i think she was 16 or 17 at the time - people used to spit on her.
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im guessing you spelt genius wrong on purpose and now i have fallen into your trap !
:wallbutt:
Yup... I think my IQ was 160 something though.
IQs measure how good you are at IQ tests.
Genius is thrown about lightly and has nowt to do with IQ.
Ive met one person in my life who was genuinely a genius, Ruth Lawrence, i think she was 16 or 17 at the time - people used to spit on her.
I agree with you in IQ tests being BS. Yup, sadly people are always jealous of those brighter than themselves...
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People who brag about IQ scores are the biggest dumbasses around.
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People who brag about IQ scores are the biggest dumbasses around.
Like Mensa? :nod:
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are not.
am too.
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something like that, yes. i've learned to accept intellectually that people don't think like me, but i can never work out why, even though i "know" it's because everyone's different. when i was young, i thought it was because everyone else was stupid, and couldn't see the obvious and logical way to think about things. :laugh:
ditto to that, bud. :laugh:
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are not.
am too.
are too.
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yes i am. :laugh:
btw my post count is 6009, it's the same when i flip it upsidedown. :laugh:
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yes i am. :laugh:
btw my post count is 6009, it's the same when i flip it upsidedown. :laugh:
And your Karma is a palindrome.
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yes i am. :laugh:
wait, it doesn't work like that in the bugs bunny cartoons. i switch what i say, then you switch waht you say and then i have just fandangoed you.
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yes i am. :laugh:
wait, it doesn't work like that in the bugs bunny cartoons. i switch what i say, then you switch waht you say and then i have just fandangoed you.
Is that what you call what you want to do to her?
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yes i am. :laugh:
wait, it doesn't work like that in the bugs bunny cartoons. i switch what i say, then you switch waht you say and then i have just fandangoed you.
Is that what you call what you want to do to her?
it's what i call it when i confuse her topsy turvey method.
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yes i am. :laugh:
wait, it doesn't work like that in the bugs bunny cartoons. i switch what i say, then you switch waht you say and then i have just fandangoed you.
Is that what you call what you want to do to her?
it's what i call it when i confuse her topsy turvey method.
And what do you call it when you just get her topsy turvey?
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yes i am. :laugh:
wait, it doesn't work like that in the bugs bunny cartoons. i switch what i say, then you switch waht you say and then i have just fandangoed you.
Is that what you call what you want to do to her?
it's what i call it when i confuse her topsy turvey method.
And what do you call it when you just get her topsy turvey?
topsiturvirooed.
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i know ! incredible, isn't it?
:rofl:
I may owe some people a few apologies.
Nah. >:D
Nah!
I often got into trouble because I thought everyone was as "smart" as I am.
:D
Me too! My husband reminds me all the time that half the people have an IQ below 100, every time I wonder why someone did something that I think is stupid.
It makes Richard look bright, isnt he the only one who is under on this board? Asides perhaps Ahayes...
Mine is under 100...
I have common sense and that can't be measured can it?
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i know ! incredible, isn't it?
:rofl:
I may owe some people a few apologies.
Nah. >:D
Nah!
I often got into trouble because I thought everyone was as "smart" as I am.
:D
Me too! My husband reminds me all the time that half the people have an IQ below 100, every time I wonder why someone did something that I think is stupid.
It makes Richard look bright, isnt he the only one who is under on this board? Asides perhaps Ahayes...
Mine is under 100...
I have common sense and that can't be measured can it?
Nope it cannot. There was someone in my year who was very bright academically, but has no common sense whatsoever. It certainly made for some intresting times.
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Sounds like me. I'm a fucking retard,
when it comes to reality.
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People used to tell me that i had no common sense - i had no idea what they were talking about really.
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Sounds like me. I'm a fucking retard,
when it comes to reality.
Not compared to this guy, seriously. He thought you started a car by pulling the steering wheel and pressing "a button". Then you could just use the pedals (it was a stick shift)
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He lived a sheltered life? Was not taught every day life situations?
I certainly wish I was smart academically. Being able to learn and learn and learn must be fun.
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He lived a sheltered life? Was not taught every day life situations?
I certainly wish I was smart academically. Being able to learn and learn and learn must be fun.
I wouldnt say he left a sheltered life as such, just a prat really, albeit a lovable one. Being smart academically has its downsides.
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I certainly wish I was smart academically. Being able to learn and learn and learn must be fun.
Sometimes. I wouldn't really call it fun.
Plus, stuff seems to get pushed aside.
That may just be age though.
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Being smart academically has its downsides.
It does? What?
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Can't think of anything other than expectations.
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Being smart academically has its downsides.
It does? What?
You have to do more to be fulfilled. And the good memory that goes with it is a bloody nuisance, there are lots of things I would rather forget.
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Being smart academically has its downsides.
It does? What?
You have to do more to be fulfilled. And the good memory that goes with it is a bloody nuisance, there are lots of things I would rather forget.
Haha, bad memory is a nuisance. There are lots of things I would like to remember! I would like to be fulfilled but never am because I have to settle for something that I can achieve which is not much at all. I have an idea of what is out there and all that people can do such as go to uni and get degrees and things like this. I am aware, ignorance is something else.
Can't think of anything other than expectations.
This could mean your expectations or other people's. Your own would be harder I think because you could always omit information about yourself to others and then they don't know enough to expect a certain amount from you.
I know I am a bit of a disappointment to others (I was seen as the quiet, studious type), especially my family but I am harder on myself than they are.
I will trade with smartness with you any day.
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Being smart academically has its downsides.
It does? What?
You have to do more to be fulfilled. And the good memory that goes with it is a bloody nuisance, there are lots of things I would rather forget.
Haha, bad memory is a nuisance. There are lots of things I would like to remember! I would like to be fulfilled but never am because I have to settle for something that I can achieve which is not much at all. I have an idea of what is out there and all that people can do such as go to uni and get degrees and things like this. I am aware, ignorance is something else.
Oppotunity is more important than ability these days, you dont need intellect to achieve much, its all about connections. As for bad memory, its a lot better than being able to recall every bad moment in your life like it happened 10 minutes ago. It makes forgiveness very difficult to say the least. Average joe has a simple life, lets put it that way. All he needs is a reasonable job, a home, maybe a wife and kids, and he is fulfilled and happy.
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Smartness sucks. I have a very high tested intelligence but I coudln't tie my shoes unless someone told me that was what I was supposed to do next.
I often used to dream of being stupider so I wouldn't have to be so aware of how much I miss even though I am aware of it.
As for fullfillment. I am fulfilled as long as I have my favourite text book, my cat, and jazz cd.
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Being smart academically has its downsides.
It does? What?
You have to do more to be fulfilled. And the good memory that goes with it is a bloody nuisance, there are lots of things I would rather forget.
Haha, bad memory is a nuisance. There are lots of things I would like to remember! I would like to be fulfilled but never am because I have to settle for something that I can achieve which is not much at all. I have an idea of what is out there and all that people can do such as go to uni and get degrees and things like this. I am aware, ignorance is something else.
Oppotunity is more important than ability these days, you dont need intellect to achieve much, its all about connections. As for bad memory, its a lot better than being able to recall every bad moment in your life like it happened 10 minutes ago. It makes forgiveness very difficult to say the least. Average joe has a simple life, lets put it that way. All he needs is a reasonable job, a home, maybe a wife and kids, and he is fulfilled and happy.
Quite an appropriate comment, considering your avatar.
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Being smart academically has its downsides.
It does? What?
You have to do more to be fulfilled. And the good memory that goes with it is a bloody nuisance, there are lots of things I would rather forget.
Haha, bad memory is a nuisance. There are lots of things I would like to remember! I would like to be fulfilled but never am because I have to settle for something that I can achieve which is not much at all. I have an idea of what is out there and all that people can do such as go to uni and get degrees and things like this. I am aware, ignorance is something else.
Oppotunity is more important than ability these days, you dont need intellect to achieve much, its all about connections. As for bad memory, its a lot better than being able to recall every bad moment in your life like it happened 10 minutes ago. It makes forgiveness very difficult to say the least. Average joe has a simple life, lets put it that way. All he needs is a reasonable job, a home, maybe a wife and kids, and he is fulfilled and happy.
Quite an appropriate comment, considering your avatar.
:laugh: Which bits of it?
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None. I was not referring to any bits.
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I often used to dream of being stupider so I wouldn't have to be so aware of how much I miss even though I am aware of it.
I feel that awareness is different. I am very aware of what I don't know. Yes being less self-aware sometimes would be a relief. When I was younger I had moments of clarity, where I could learn. I don't get those moments anymore. :violin:
Average joe has a simple life, lets put it that way. All he needs is a reasonable job, a home, maybe a wife and kids, and he is fulfilled and happy.
Life is more complicated for people than you think. It is difficult to get those things.
I can remember loads of bad stuff I have done because it is on my conscience, those memories are automatically in the long-term memory file. Things that people have done to me, those are just events.
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common sense and quick wit is better than book smarts anyday.
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Average joe has a simple life, lets put it that way. All he needs is a reasonable job, a home, maybe a wife and kids, and he is fulfilled and happy.
Life is more complicated for people than you think. It is difficult to get those things.
I can remember loads of bad stuff I have done because it is on my conscience, those memories are automatically in the long-term memory file. Things that people have done to me, those are just events.
For the average NT its pretty easy to do, lets face it thats the only thing they can really do well.
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really? amazing how so many of them get on well in life then, isn't it? i mean, being so completely useless at everything else, as they are.
::)
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really? amazing how so many of them get on well in life then, isn't it? i mean, being so completely useless at everything else, as they are.
::)
The average NT is not in a high up position, and are satisfied with not being there, in fact a lot of them do not want to be promoted above that. I am not refering to every NT, just the average one. The clever NTs still greatly outnumber us aspies.
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define average. and where are you getting this information from? i can't find a wiki entry for "employment/social status of neurotypicals", myself.
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yes i am. :laugh:
wait, it doesn't work like that in the bugs bunny cartoons. i switch what i say, then you switch waht you say and then i have just fandangoed you.
i knew you were gonna do it. :laugh: meep meep!
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define average. and where are you getting this information from? i can't find a wiki entry for "employment/social status of neurotypicals", myself.
By average I would say roughly normal in terms on intellect, aspirations and so on. As for my information, I got it from talking to lots of people who fit that over the years, although in certain cases their intellect is beyond average by quite a bit.
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define average. and where are you getting this information from? i can't find a wiki entry for "employment/social status of neurotypicals", myself.
By average I would say roughly normal in terms on intellect, aspirations and so on. As for my information, I got it from talking to lots of people who fit that over the years, although in certain cases their intellect is beyond average by quite a bit.
define "normal", and can you be more specific quantitatively about "lots".
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also some comparative data regarding their difference from ASD folk in this regard.
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define average. and where are you getting this information from? i can't find a wiki entry for "employment/social status of neurotypicals", myself.
By average I would say roughly normal in terms on intellect, aspirations and so on. As for my information, I got it from talking to lots of people who fit that over the years, although in certain cases their intellect is beyond average by quite a bit.
define "normal", and can you be more specific quantitatively about "lots".
Lots would a few hundred. Normal is expectations in line with the general population. also some comparative data regarding their difference from ASD folk in this regard.
Given the amount of undiagnosed adult aspies, you know thats impossible to do.
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I sense pwnage imminent.
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what general population? ages? educational level? culture?
see hadron, the point is you're still making sweeping statements about things you know little - if anything - about. have you not listened to anything anyone's said to you about that? and, more to the point, aren't you tired of being pwned all over the place, by just about everyone who challenges you, in the same way (i.e., by people actually asking for specifics rather than dismissive and unfounded generalities)?
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I sense pwnage imminent.
Q.E.D., i'd say. ;)
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what general population? ages? educational level? culture?
see hadron, the point is you're still making sweeping statements about things you know little - if anything - about. have you not listened to anything anyone's said to you about that? and, more to the point, aren't you tired of being pwned all over the place, by just about everyone who challenges you, in the same way (i.e., by people actually asking for specifics rather than dismissive and unfounded generalities)?
I was giving anecdotal evidence, which is the only evidence that can be provided in this case. As for being pwned, surprisingly i couldnt care too much. Do I really need to justify everything I say on here, you could ask those questions of most posts and I doubt in a lot of cases that people could back everything up with statisitics.
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define average. and where are you getting this information from? i can't find a wiki entry for "employment/social status of neurotypicals", myself.
:LMAO:
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*Senses a pattern*
People are starting to just pick on Hadron just because it's easy. He could just as easily have tacked on a "from what I've noticed" and no one would have contradicted him, at least not like that.
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we love to pick on Hardon.
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we love to pick on Hardon.
Wow, do you really?
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we love to pick on Hardon.
Wow, do you really?
And some members want to do more than just pick on me... :P
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we love to pick on Hardon.
Wow, do you really?
And some members want to do more than just pick on me... :P
EXACTLY!
I want to watch you grow.
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Hardon is just so cute. it's hard to resist. :P
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we love to pick on Hardon.
Wow, do you really?
And some members want to do more than just pick on me... :P
EXACTLY!
I want to watch you grow.
Awww.
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we love to pick on Hardon.
Wow, do you really?
not really, no, to be honest. i just can't stand the unbelievable hubris, which is based on nothing but unjustifed (or badly-justified) opinion (or wiki ::) ). ignorance like this leads to bigotry.
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what general population? ages? educational level? culture?
see hadron, the point is you're still making sweeping statements about things you know little - if anything - about. have you not listened to anything anyone's said to you about that? and, more to the point, aren't you tired of being pwned all over the place, by just about everyone who challenges you, in the same way (i.e., by people actually asking for specifics rather than dismissive and unfounded generalities)?
I was giving anecdotal evidence, which is the only evidence that can be provided in this case. As for being pwned, surprisingly i couldnt care too much. Do I really need to justify everything I say on here, you could ask those questions of most posts and I doubt in a lot of cases that people could back everything up with statisitics.
yes. it's what I2 is about, for one thing, and you insist on telling others about things they already know, and have years of experience of, which is why you're challenged so often.
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we love to pick on Hardon.
Wow, do you really?
not really, no, to be honest. i just can't stand the unbelievable hubris, which is based on nothing but unjustifed (or badly-justified) opinion (or wiki ::) ). ignorance like this leads to bigotry.
Here comes the PC brigade....
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nope. if you knew anything about me, you'd know that i am vehemently against the PC brigade. do a search and find out why. oh, but i'm not on wiki: i mean on here.
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"it's just a phase, mommy bear," said the daddy bear. :P
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nope. if you knew anything about me, you'd know that i am vehemently against the PC brigade. do a search and find out why. oh, but i'm not on wiki: i mean on here.
So you say. Your always on about bigotry and hatred. Choice example, defending muslims from being attacked as a group, even if their ideals are on par with the BNP (go and read a pamphlet or talk to one of them and you might get what I mean).
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oh do fuck off, hardon - i've been working with hundreds of muslims for years. AND spent a lot of time actively working to oppose the BNP.
::)
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nope. if you knew anything about me, you'd know that i am vehemently against the PC brigade. do a search and find out why. oh, but i'm not on wiki: i mean on here.
So you say. Your always on about bigotry and hatred. Choice example, defending muslims from being attacked as a group, even if their ideals are on par with the BNP (go and read a pamphlet or talk to one of them and you might get what I mean).
Being anti-bigotry is not a purely PC thing, you know.
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oh do fuck off, hardon - i've been working with hundreds of muslims for years. AND spent a lot of time actively working to oppose the BNP.
::)
Perhaps you should listen more closely to what they say. "Dirty Homosexuals" is one of their favorite lines, and aspects of Sharia law is pure barbarianism. Are you telling me you agree in stoning to death women for being raped, come off it Lucifer. You are right in line with the PC brigade. I am not saying there are not some modern muslims out there, but most of them havent crawled out of their bullshit yet.
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nope. if you knew anything about me, you'd know that i am vehemently against the PC brigade. do a search and find out why. oh, but i'm not on wiki: i mean on here.
So you say. Your always on about bigotry and hatred. Choice example, defending muslims from being attacked as a group, even if their ideals are on par with the BNP (go and read a pamphlet or talk to one of them and you might get what I mean).
Being anti-bigotry is not a purely PC thing, you know.
Its the selective line Lucifer takes with it.
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nope. if you knew anything about me, you'd know that i am vehemently against the PC brigade. do a search and find out why. oh, but i'm not on wiki: i mean on here.
So you say. Your always on about bigotry and hatred. Choice example, defending muslims from being attacked as a group, even if their ideals are on par with the BNP (go and read a pamphlet or talk to one of them and you might get what I mean).
Being anti-bigotry is not a purely PC thing, you know.
Its the selective line Lucifer takes with it.
Fine. You're welcome to your opinion about her. That doesn't invalidate the objection she raised. Classic debate "tactic".
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oh do fuck off, hardon - i've been working with hundreds of muslims for years. AND spent a lot of time actively working to oppose the BNP.
::)
Perhaps you should listen more closely to what they say. "Dirty Homosexuals" is one of their favorite lines, and aspects of Sharia law is pure barbarianism. Are you telling me you agree in stoning to death women for being raped, come off it Lucifer. You are right in line with the PC brigade. I am not saying there are not some modern muslims out there, but most of them havent crawled out of their bullshit yet.
you're putting words in my mouth. do stop. you don't even know what you're talking about, so i really don't know how you have the audacity to think you know what anyone else thinks. ::)
nope. if you knew anything about me, you'd know that i am vehemently against the PC brigade. do a search and find out why. oh, but i'm not on wiki: i mean on here.
So you say. Your always on about bigotry and hatred. Choice example, defending muslims from being attacked as a group, even if their ideals are on par with the BNP (go and read a pamphlet or talk to one of them and you might get what I mean).
Being anti-bigotry is not a purely PC thing, you know.
Its the selective line Lucifer takes with it.
Fine. You're welcome to your opinion about her. That doesn't invalidate the objection she raised. Classic debate "tactic".
quite. maybe i should just ignore its witterings, until it actually says something worth responding to.
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the views and actions of a few extremists do not reflect the views and actions of the many passive sheep...
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yes i am. :laugh:
wait, it doesn't work like that in the bugs bunny cartoons. i switch what i say, then you switch waht you say and then i have just fandangoed you.
i knew you were gonna do it. :laugh: meep meep!
and why didn't you play along. i haven't fandangooed anyone in a very long time.
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i did play, i was just better at the game. ;)
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i did play, i was just better at the game. ;)
meep.
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oh do fuck off, hardon - i've been working with hundreds of muslims for years. AND spent a lot of time actively working to oppose the BNP.
::)
Perhaps you should listen more closely to what they say. "Dirty Homosexuals" is one of their favorite lines, and aspects of Sharia law is pure barbarianism. Are you telling me you agree in stoning to death women for being raped, come off it Lucifer. You are right in line with the PC brigade. I am not saying there are not some modern muslims out there, but most of them havent crawled out of their bullshit yet.
you're putting words in my mouth. do stop. you don't even know what you're talking about, so i really don't know how you have the audacity to think you know what anyone else thinks. ::)
Nice try at arguement from authority, but it isnt going to wash. In a recent post you called an attack on muslims bigotory, I have just made your words come back and bite you. Face it.
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Hardy. you're so clueless it's TFF.
Lucifer doesn't speak from authority, she speaks from knowledge and experience, both of which you lack. :P enjoy munching those feet of yours.
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Hardy. you're so clueless it's TFF.
Lucifer doesn't speak from authority, she speaks from knowledge and experience, both of which you lack. :P enjoy munching those feet of yours.
why? is he a munchkin that just put his foot in his mouth?
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yeah. both of them. and some other people's.
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Hardy. you're so clueless it's TFF.
Lucifer doesn't speak from authority, she speaks from knowledge and experience, both of which you lack. :P enjoy munching those feet of yours.
You need to look up arguement types, Lucifers was an attempt at arguement from authority.
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Hardy. you're so clueless it's TFF.
Lucifer doesn't speak from authority, she speaks from knowledge and experience, both of which you lack. :P enjoy munching those feet of yours.
You need to look up arguement types, Lucifers was an attempt at arguement from authority.
i thought it was an argument from senior citizenry. :laugh:
just kidding lucifer. before you get your panties in a bunch i was only joking.
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i don't care about your types. it was not about authority so to say it was such a type is not correct or the type itself is bullshit. so which is it? :laugh:
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i don't care about your types. it was not about authority so to say it was such a type is not correct or the type itself is bullshit. so which is it? :laugh:
Arguement from authority, i.e crap arguement.
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It would be an argument from authority if Lucifer were bothering to seriously argue, but from here it looks more like a generic "fuck off".
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nope. if you knew anything about me, you'd know that i am vehemently against the PC brigade. do a search and find out why. oh, but i'm not on wiki: i mean on here.
So you say. Your always on about bigotry and hatred. Choice example, defending muslims from being attacked as a group, even if their ideals are on par with the BNP (go and read a pamphlet or talk to one of them and you might get what I mean).
Being anti-bigotry is not a purely PC thing, you know.
Good god, NO!
It has been around for years.
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I will trade with smartness with you any day.
Don't sell yourself short.
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yes i am. :laugh:
wait, it doesn't work like that in the bugs bunny cartoons. i switch what i say, then you switch waht you say and then i have just fandangoed you.
i knew you were gonna do it. :laugh: meep meep!
You're a ghoul.
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It would be an argument from authority if Lucifer were bothering to seriously argue, but from here it looks more like a generic "fuck off".
Generally the case, and about the most tiresome
attitude. If she's going to hold opinions strongly
enough to get involved in arguments, she ought
to learn to do so, instead of merely relying on this
one tactic, and her popularity. :yawn:
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astonishing how some people seem to think their opinion matters to me, isn't it? ::)
if you're going to snipe at me/be spiteful/try and goad me, people, do try and remember one thing: the person you're aiming it at has to give a fuck about what you think, okay?
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astonishing how some people seem to think their opinion matters to me, isn't it? ::)
Not really. Most people DO care about others opinions.
if you're going to snipe at me/be spiteful/try and goad me, people, do try and remember one thing: the person you're aiming it at has to give a fuck about what you think, okay?
What if we're just trying to hold
a discussion, and you happen to
come up? In this case, I was trying
to explain to OTHERS (as I know you're
beyond hope) my take on your 'debate'
style.
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astonishing how some people seem to think their opinion matters to me, isn't it? ::)
Not really. Most people DO care about others opinions.
if you're going to snipe at me/be spiteful/try and goad me, people, do try and remember one thing: the person you're aiming it at has to give a fuck about what you think, okay?
What if we're just trying to hold
a discussion, and you happen to
come up? In this case, I was trying
to explain to OTHERS (as I know you're
beyond hope) my take on your 'debate'
style.
So, because people's opinions of her do not matter to her, we should just throw out and ignore her thoughts and opinions on topics?
I would point out that this current lucifer-hunt started when hadron, rather than respond to her claims, attacked her instead. So why are some jumping on her for disregarding the attack as unimportant?
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Calandale is a man full of contradictions, by which I mean he contradicts people a lot. Which is awesome... there's nothing more boring than a bunch of people agreeing with each other all the time. But people are all reactionary and it can only make one controversial and not popular. Also, I know I'm about to be contradicted.
How's that for a theory of mind?
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astonishing how some people seem to think their opinion matters to me, isn't it? ::)
Not really. Most people DO care about others opinions.
if you're going to snipe at me/be spiteful/try and goad me, people, do try and remember one thing: the person you're aiming it at has to give a fuck about what you think, okay?
What if we're just trying to hold
a discussion, and you happen to
come up? In this case, I was trying
to explain to OTHERS (as I know you're
beyond hope) my take on your 'debate'
style.
Lucifer has used this debate tactic several times now, she's almost sounding like a broken record. :fart:
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astonishing how some people seem to think their opinion matters to me, isn't it? ::)
Not really. Most people DO care about others opinions.
if you're going to snipe at me/be spiteful/try and goad me, people, do try and remember one thing: the person you're aiming it at has to give a fuck about what you think, okay?
What if we're just trying to hold
a discussion, and you happen to
come up? In this case, I was trying
to explain to OTHERS (as I know you're
beyond hope) my take on your 'debate'
style.
So, because people's opinions of her do not matter to her, we should just throw out and ignore her thoughts and opinions on topics?
I would point out that this current lucifer-hunt started when hadron, rather than respond to her claims, attacked her instead. So why are some jumping on her for disregarding the attack as unimportant?
quite. but now's scrap's joined in, so the gang's all here. huzzah! well, there is another voice i might expect to pipe up with more of the same old same old. but i shan't hold my breath, as i'm sure there's some wet paint somewhere i could watch drying, in preference to taking any notice of this tired old triteness. :yawn:
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If I had a nickel for every time Lucifer says something along the lines of "I can't be ar
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So, because people's opinions of her do not matter to her, we should just throw out and ignore her thoughts and opinions on topics?
Did I say that? I just find that her method of
'debate' is bs. She has many valid things to say.
It's just that when she jumps into some discussion,
with a "I don't give a shit, and this is stupid" attitude,
one should be aware that this is her SOP for trying to
derail conversation on something.
So why are some jumping on her for disregarding the attack as unimportant?
Heh. Well, this is my own fault for not looking
back on this issue, and being too lazy to bother.
:laugh:
Look, maybe in this case, she's just been being attacked
without making any attempt to defend herself. That's fine.
I get sick of seeing her jump into debates, and then claim
that she doesn't care. I guess that's the only point I'm making.
And no, lucifer, I know that you don't care about my opinion,
or perhaps anyone else's. And I don't really care about THAT.
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Calandale is a man full of contradictions, by which I mean he contradicts people a lot.
I NEVER contradict anyone.
Which is awesome...
No. It sucks.
there's nothing more boring than a bunch of people agreeing with each other all the time.
What about people rehashing the same
old arguments?
But people are all reactionary and it can only make one controversial and not popular.
Luckily, everyone loves me. They just don't know it.
Also, I know I'm about to be contradicted.
No you're not.
How's that for a theory of mind?
Poifect.
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actually:
I would point out that this current witch-hunt started when hadron, rather than respond to her claims, attacked her instead.
:witch1:
;)
:LMAO:
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Found it funnier quoted but not bolded? ???
Or just keep spewing the same thing?
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astonishing how some people seem to think their opinion matters to me, isn't it? ::)
if you're going to snipe at me/be spiteful/try and goad me, people, do try and remember one thing: the person you're aiming it at has to give a fuck about what you think, okay?
Given the big whine that you had when Calandale gheyed you on the hour, I would say that you do care. Regardless what you say.
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astonishing how some people seem to think their opinion matters to me, isn't it? ::)
if you're going to snipe at me/be spiteful/try and goad me, people, do try and remember one thing: the person you're aiming it at has to give a fuck about what you think, okay?
Given the big whine that you had when Calandale gheyed you on the hour, I would say that you do care. Regardless what you say.
Regardless of what you think, I never did that.
I was probably hitting her fairly often (a matter
of seeing this kind of argument being conducted),
but I don't have the discipline (nor the inclination)
to be that way.
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astonishing how some people seem to think their opinion matters to me, isn't it? ::)
if you're going to snipe at me/be spiteful/try and goad me, people, do try and remember one thing: the person you're aiming it at has to give a fuck about what you think, okay?
Given the big whine that you had when Calandale gheyed you on the hour, I would say that you do care. Regardless what you say.
Regardless of what you think, I never did that.
I was probably hitting her fairly often (a matter
of seeing this kind of argument being conducted),
but I don't have the discipline (nor the inclination)
to be that way.
True, the word she used was being repeatedly gheyed, but she spent half a thread complaining about it.
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Ah, and if people complain about being
gheyed, I almost instinctively ghey them.
So, if I kept running into THAT, she'd get
hit pretty often.
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Its probably Ahayes anyway. Who gives a fuck??
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Its probably Ahayes anyway. Who gives a fuck??
The joys of being karma-free... :)
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I'm hoping that I can manage to pass
ahayes.
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If I had a nickel for every time Lucifer says something along the lines of "I can't be ar
Could you buy one anyway, and move?
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:LMAO:
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True, the word she used was being repeatedly gheyed, but she spent half a thread complaining about it.
er, how do three posts in over three pages constitute "half a thread", especially as someone else brought it up, and you wanted to know who it was? fuckinell, some mathematician you are!
:LMAO:
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True, the word she used was being repeatedly gheyed, but she spent half a thread complaining about it.
er, how do three posts in over three pages constitute "half a thread", especially as someone else brought it up, and you wanted to know who it was? fuckinell, some mathematician you are!
:LMAO:
Did I say how long a thread is, i would go to 6 posts on average.
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in english?
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i don't care about your types. it was not about authority so to say it was such a type is not correct or the type itself is bullshit. so which is it? :laugh:
Arguement from authority, i.e crap arguement.
it was not from authority. it was from experience, wannit? so there's no authority involved. you're being illogical.
yes i am. :laugh:
wait, it doesn't work like that in the bugs bunny cartoons. i switch what i say, then you switch waht you say and then i have just fandangoed you.
i knew you were gonna do it. :laugh: meep meep!
You're a ghoul.
no, i'm a road runner.
:witch1:
;)
:LMAO:
you crazy mofo i can't believe you did that! :laugh: why didn't i think of that?
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i don't care about your types. it was not about authority so to say it was such a type is not correct or the type itself is bullshit. so which is it? :laugh:
Arguement from authority, i.e crap arguement.
it was not from authority. it was from experience, wannit? so there's no authority involved. you're being illogical.
You misunderstand. He is claiming that Lucifer committed an "argument from authority" error, a form of logical fallacy common in debates.
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i don't care about your types. it was not about authority so to say it was such a type is not correct or the type itself is bullshit. so which is it? :laugh:
Arguement from authority, i.e crap arguement.
it was not from authority. it was from experience, wannit? so there's no authority involved. you're being illogical.
You misunderstand. He is claiming that Lucifer committed an "argument from authority" error, a form of logical fallacy common in debates.
The I know 100's of muslims (and the rest of the shaboosh added in as well) line is what exactly?
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i don't care about your types. it was not about authority so to say it was such a type is not correct or the type itself is bullshit. so which is it? :laugh:
Arguement from authority, i.e crap arguement.
it was not from authority. it was from experience, wannit? so there's no authority involved. you're being illogical.
You misunderstand. He is claiming that Lucifer committed an "argument from authority" error, a form of logical fallacy common in debates.
The I know 100's of muslims (and the rest of the shaboosh added in as well) line is what exactly?
And the "Here comes the PC brigade" was what exactly?
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i don't care about your types. it was not about authority so to say it was such a type is not correct or the type itself is bullshit. so which is it? :laugh:
Arguement from authority, i.e crap arguement.
it was not from authority. it was from experience, wannit? so there's no authority involved. you're being illogical.
You misunderstand. He is claiming that Lucifer committed an "argument from authority" error, a form of logical fallacy common in debates.
The I know 100's of muslims (and the rest of the shaboosh added in as well) line is what exactly?
And the "Here comes the PC brigade" was what exactly?
Refering to how she allows some bigotry but not others. She was taking the same line as the politcally correct brigade by backing muslims in such a fashion, even if it is one of the most bigoted religions in the planet.
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i don't care about your types. it was not about authority so to say it was such a type is not correct or the type itself is bullshit. so which is it? :laugh:
Arguement from authority, i.e crap arguement.
it was not from authority. it was from experience, wannit? so there's no authority involved. you're being illogical.
You misunderstand. He is claiming that Lucifer committed an "argument from authority" error, a form of logical fallacy common in debates.
The I know 100's of muslims (and the rest of the shaboosh added in as well) line is what exactly?
And the "Here comes the PC brigade" was what exactly?
Refering to how she allows some bigotry but not others. She was taking the same line as the politcally correct brigade by backing muslims in such a fashion, even if it is one of the most bigoted religions in the planet.
Incorrect. That was your justification. The correct answer is "ad hominem".
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i don't care about your types. it was not about authority so to say it was such a type is not correct or the type itself is bullshit. so which is it? :laugh:
Arguement from authority, i.e crap arguement.
it was not from authority. it was from experience, wannit? so there's no authority involved. you're being illogical.
You misunderstand. He is claiming that Lucifer committed an "argument from authority" error, a form of logical fallacy common in debates.
The I know 100's of muslims (and the rest of the shaboosh added in as well) line is what exactly?
And the "Here comes the PC brigade" was what exactly?
Refering to how she allows some bigotry but not others. She was taking the same line as the politcally correct brigade by backing muslims in such a fashion, even if it is one of the most bigoted religions in the planet.
Incorrect. That was your justification. The correct answer is "ad hominem".
You missed off the initial line where she implied that I encouraged bigotry. The line before "Here comes the PC brigade". Actually, I was simply defending myself.
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If I had a nickel for every time Lucifer says something along the lines of "I can't be ar
Could you buy one anyway, and move?
No, I'd buy the Island and move you halfway there.
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i don't care about your types. it was not about authority so to say it was such a type is not correct or the type itself is bullshit. so which is it? :laugh:
Arguement from authority, i.e crap arguement.
it was not from authority. it was from experience, wannit? so there's no authority involved. you're being illogical.
You misunderstand. He is claiming that Lucifer committed an "argument from authority" error, a form of logical fallacy common in debates.
The I know 100's of muslims (and the rest of the shaboosh added in as well) line is what exactly?
And the "Here comes the PC brigade" was what exactly?
Refering to how she allows some bigotry but not others. She was taking the same line as the politcally correct brigade by backing muslims in such a fashion, even if it is one of the most bigoted religions in the planet.
Incorrect. That was your justification. The correct answer is "ad hominem".
You missed off the initial line where she implied that I encouraged bigotry. The line before "Here comes the PC brigade". Actually, I was simply defending myself.
Incorrect interpretation. She did not imply that you encourage bigotry.
not really, no, to be honest. i just can't stand the unbelievable hubris, which is based on nothing but unjustifed (or badly-justified) opinion (or wiki ::) ). ignorance like this leads to bigotry.
"leads to" -- you're not there yet but you're on a known road due to your "unbelievable hubris, which is based on nothing but unjustifed (or badly-justified) opinion (or wiki ::) )"
You weren't defending yourself, you changed the topic with an ad hominem.
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i don't care about your types. it was not about authority so to say it was such a type is not correct or the type itself is bullshit. so which is it? :laugh:
Arguement from authority, i.e crap arguement.
it was not from authority. it was from experience, wannit? so there's no authority involved. you're being illogical.
You misunderstand. He is claiming that Lucifer committed an "argument from authority" error, a form of logical fallacy common in debates.
The I know 100's of muslims (and the rest of the shaboosh added in as well) line is what exactly?
And the "Here comes the PC brigade" was what exactly?
Refering to how she allows some bigotry but not others. She was taking the same line as the politcally correct brigade by backing muslims in such a fashion, even if it is one of the most bigoted religions in the planet.
Incorrect. That was your justification. The correct answer is "ad hominem".
You missed off the initial line where she implied that I encouraged bigotry. The line before "Here comes the PC brigade". Actually, I was simply defending myself.
Incorrect interpretation. She did not imply that you encourage bigotry.
not really, no, to be honest. i just can't stand the unbelievable hubris, which is based on nothing but unjustifed (or badly-justified) opinion (or wiki ::) ). ignorance like this leads to bigotry.
"leads to" -- you're not there yet but you're on a known road due to your "unbelievable hubris, which is based on nothing but unjustifed (or badly-justified) opinion (or wiki ::) )"
You weren't defending yourself, you changed the topic with an ad hominem.
"wiki" being her favourite word to describe any sources I present. Asides in another thread she has implied that I am a bigot (I cant be arsed to dig it out). It was a veiled attack on me.
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i don't do veiled attacks - you're a bigot.
see? :smarty:
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:witch1:
;)
:LMAO:
you crazy mofo i can't believe you did that! :laugh: why didn't i think of that?
;)
because i still have you under mind control, and you can't think anything without my say so.
:-*
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i don't do veiled attacks - you're a bigot.
see? :smarty:
Nice to get it out in the open. Are you now going to come and defend me then.
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i don't do veiled attacks - you're a bigot.
see? :smarty:
Nice to get it out in the open. Are you now going to come and defend me then.
*throws up hands* Well, I'm out. For what it's worth, Hadron, my apologies for claiming you misinterpreted her remarks in this vein. Obviously, I was mistaken.
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"wiki" being her favourite word to describe any sources I present. Asides in another thread she has implied that I am a bigot (I cant be AAARRSE!!d to dig it out). It was a veiled attack on me.
that's your problem, hadron--you never do the research, you're too lazy. wiki is about as far as you're willing to go, which is why it's so easy to turn that against you. you rarely back up anything you say and you always find someone else to blame when you're caught.
for a time, i was willing to blame your youth--recently it's become obvious that age really doesn't matter. it's your mo.
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i don't care about your types. it was not about authority so to say it was such a type is not correct or the type itself is bullshit. so which is it? :laugh:
Arguement from authority, i.e crap arguement.
it was not from authority. it was from experience, wannit? so there's no authority involved. you're being illogical.
You misunderstand. He is claiming that Lucifer committed an "argument from authority" error, a form of logical fallacy common in debates.
i don't misunderstand. he said it was a type of arguement, but all Lucifer did was speak from experience so how could that be authority? if i tell you i know something because i have experience with it then i'm not being authoritative i am just telling you i have learned though experience. what's illogical is Hardon's "types."
i don't care about your types. it was not about authority so to say it was such a type is not correct or the type itself is bullshit. so which is it? :laugh:
Arguement from authority, i.e crap arguement.
it was not from authority. it was from experience, wannit? so there's no authority involved. you're being illogical.
You misunderstand. He is claiming that Lucifer committed an "argument from authority" error, a form of logical fallacy common in debates.
The I know 100's of muslims (and the rest of the shaboosh added in as well) line is what exactly?
And the "Here comes the PC brigade" was what exactly?
Refering to how she allows some bigotry but not others. She was taking the same line as the politcally correct brigade by backing muslims in such a fashion, even if it is one of the most bigoted religions in the planet.
you don't know the difference between religion and tradition. for example, muslim women wear head scarves and are oppressed, why is this? because of tradition. tradition of oppression. the men made it up and it was attached to religion like a fungus to a tree trunk. people think it's part of the religion, it isn't. just like circumcision is no part of Jewish religion, it's merely an old tradition that was started because of hygiene reasons.
can you provide some sort of proof of how the islam faith is biggoted in itself? you're the one who made this claim, you should be able to back it up.
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"wiki" being her favourite word to describe any sources I present. Asides in another thread she has implied that I am a bigot (I cant be AAARRSE!!d to dig it out). It was a veiled attack on me.
that's your problem, hadron--you never do the research, you're too lazy. wiki is about as far as you're willing to go, which is why it's so easy to turn that against you. you rarely back up anything you say and you always find someone else to blame when you're caught.
for a time, i was willing to blame your youth--recently it's become obvious that age really doesn't matter. it's your mo.
What resources do you suggest I use to carry out my research, bearing in mind at present I dont have access to any more resources than whats on the free part of the internet. True I am lazy, but how often do you see everyone else backing up their arguements?
As for my MO, do you seriously expect me to have done stacks of research before making every post?
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"wiki" being her favourite word to describe any sources I present. Asides in another thread she has implied that I am a bigot (I cant be AAARRSE!!d to dig it out). It was a veiled attack on me.
that's your problem, hadron--you never do the research, you're too lazy. wiki is about as far as you're willing to go, which is why it's so easy to turn that against you. you rarely back up anything you say and you always find someone else to blame when you're caught.
for a time, i was willing to blame your youth--recently it's become obvious that age really doesn't matter. it's your mo.
What resources do you suggest I use to carry out my research, bearing in mind at present I dont have access to any more resources than whats on the free part of the internet. True I am lazy, but how often do you see everyone else backing up their arguements?
As for my MO, do you seriously expect me to have done stacks of research before making every post?
Wikipedia is a good quick reference for a lot of things, but you have to remember that anyone who wants can edit it and it is not infallible. There are other sources of information that can be accessed with an internet search.
I still think that your laziness is primarily due to your age. In high school, children are spoon-fed information, so you still act as if you expect other people to spend an hour making things easy enough for you so that you can spend 10 minutes on it, if that makes any sense. I keep wondering if you are really 18 because my nephew who is 18 seems so much more mature than you are, but then I remember that he may just be mature for his age. Maybe his parents encouraged him to be more independent.
Your problem is that you are about to attend university and you will be expected to learn more independently there. I hope that you are able to do so, because nobody will spoon-feed you there.
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"wiki" being her favourite word to describe any sources I present. Asides in another thread she has implied that I am a bigot (I cant be AAARRSE!!d to dig it out). It was a veiled attack on me.
that's your problem, hadron--you never do the research, you're too lazy. wiki is about as far as you're willing to go, which is why it's so easy to turn that against you. you rarely back up anything you say and you always find someone else to blame when you're caught.
for a time, i was willing to blame your youth--recently it's become obvious that age really doesn't matter. it's your mo.
The Theory of Hadron's Mind.
Cute looking guy, though. If I were gay, I would pop his anal cherry.
EDIT: It's called a "hypothesis", assholes. :finger:
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"wiki" being her favourite word to describe any sources I present. Asides in another thread she has implied that I am a bigot (I cant be AAARRSE!!d to dig it out). It was a veiled attack on me.
that's your problem, hadron--you never do the research, you're too lazy. wiki is about as far as you're willing to go, which is why it's so easy to turn that against you. you rarely back up anything you say and you always find someone else to blame when you're caught.
for a time, i was willing to blame your youth--recently it's become obvious that age really doesn't matter. it's your mo.
What resources do you suggest I use to carry out my research, bearing in mind at present I dont have access to any more resources than whats on the free part of the internet. True I am lazy, but how often do you see everyone else backing up their arguements?
As for my MO, do you seriously expect me to have done stacks of research before making every post?
Wikipedia is a good quick reference for a lot of things, but you have to remember that anyone who wants can edit it and it is not infallible. There are other sources of information that can be accessed with an internet search.
I still think that your laziness is primarily due to your age. In high school, children are spoon-fed information, so you still act as if you expect other people to spend an hour making things easy enough for you so that you can spend 10 minutes on it, if that makes any sense. I keep wondering if you are really 18 because my nephew who is 18 seems so much more mature than you are, but then I remember that he may just be mature for his age. Maybe his parents encouraged him to be more independent.
Your problem is that you are about to attend university and you will be expected to learn more independently there. I hope that you are able to do so, because nobody will spoon-feed you there.
If you are worried about a page on wiki, you can check the revision history and who actually made what revision (and if they are qualified to do so!). They also list all their sources at the bottom, so if you want to check, its easy to do so.
In the UK the exam system (at least up to and including A-level) penalises you for putting in answers that are not on the mark scheme, even if they are correct (and often better). That sort of experience has taught me not to find sources, and to stick to the proscribed textbooks. Hopefully uni will be a different kettle of fish.
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Wiki is about as informative as my videos. :P
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.........Cute looking guy, though. If I were gay, I would pop his anal cherry.
You mean to say you'd cheat .................................................. on ME?? :o
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"wiki" being her favourite word to describe any sources I present. Asides in another thread she has implied that I am a bigot (I cant be AAARRSE!!d to dig it out). It was a veiled attack on me.
that's your problem, hadron--you never do the research, you're too lazy. wiki is about as far as you're willing to go, which is why it's so easy to turn that against you. you rarely back up anything you say and you always find someone else to blame when you're caught.
for a time, i was willing to blame your youth--recently it's become obvious that age really doesn't matter. it's your mo.
The Theory of Hadron's Mind.
Cute looking guy, though. If I were gay, I would pop his anal cherry.
EDIT: It's called a "hypothesis", assholes. :finger:
Being "cute" has served me well, some of the stuff I have got away with over the years... (ironically I doubt I am that good looking)
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.........Cute looking guy, though. If I were gay, I would pop his anal cherry.
You mean to say you'd cheat .................................................. on ME?? :o
You know you miss the army barracks, taking it up the ass from your Sergeant like the good little choir boy you are.
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Wiki is about as informative as my videos. :P
Very informative then... :)
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As for my MO, do you seriously expect me to have done stacks of research before making every post?
Only if you're going to state something as a blanket fact. If you'd tack on an "in my experience" or "in my opinion", I don't think people would jump on you quite so much.
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Wiki is about as informative as my videos. :P
Very informative then... :)
I was accurate about you being a little bitch, after all. ;)
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Wiki is about as informative as my videos. :P
Very informative then... :)
I was accurate about you being a little bitch, after all. ;)
:lol:
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As for my MO, do you seriously expect me to have done stacks of research before making every post?
Only if you're going to state something as a blanket fact. If you'd tack on an "in my experience" or "in my opinion", I don't think people would jump on you quite so much.
Good point, Kiriana.
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i don't do veiled attacks - you're a bigot.
see? :smarty:
Nice to get it out in the open. Are you now going to come and defend me then.
*throws up hands* Well, I'm out. For what it's worth, Hadron, my apologies for claiming you misinterpreted her remarks in this vein. Obviously, I was mistaken.
not so. in fact, not at all - what you said was absolutely correct, as his beef with me was that i defended muslims as one of the PC brigade, and not that i was suggesting that he was a bigot: he said i "encouraged bigotry".
you stay right here, darl' - you're far too entertaining and intelligent to lose. :-*
;)
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As long as some of them don't desire a theocratic hegemony, I'll tolerate any religious minority.
"By the all merciful Allah, let's spread the word through terrorist attacks!"
Nice one, Cyril. :wanker:
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:LMAO:
:plus:
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:plus:
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i don't care about your types. it was not about authority so to say it was such a type is not correct or the type itself is bullshit. so which is it? :laugh:
Arguement from authority, i.e crap arguement.
it was not from authority. it was from experience, wannit? so there's no authority involved. you're being illogical.
You misunderstand. He is claiming that Lucifer committed an "argument from authority" error, a form of logical fallacy common in debates.
i don't misunderstand. he said it was a type of arguement, but all Lucifer did was speak from experience so how could that be authority? if i tell you i know something because i have experience with it then i'm not being authoritative i am just telling you i have learned though experience. what's illogical is Hardon's "types."
i don't care about your types. it was not about authority so to say it was such a type is not correct or the type itself is bullshit. so which is it? :laugh:
Arguement from authority, i.e crap arguement.
it was not from authority. it was from experience, wannit? so there's no authority involved. you're being illogical.
You misunderstand. He is claiming that Lucifer committed an "argument from authority" error, a form of logical fallacy common in debates.
The I know 100's of muslims (and the rest of the shaboosh added in as well) line is what exactly?
And the "Here comes the PC brigade" was what exactly?
Refering to how she allows some bigotry but not others. She was taking the same line as the politcally correct brigade by backing muslims in such a fashion, even if it is one of the most bigoted religions in the planet.
you don't know the difference between religion and tradition. for example, muslim women wear head scarves and are oppressed, why is this? because of tradition. tradition of oppression. the men made it up and it was attached to religion like a fungus to a tree trunk. people think it's part of the religion, it isn't. just like circumcision is no part of Jewish religion, it's merely an old tradition that was started because of hygiene reasons.
can you provide some sort of proof of how the islam faith is biggoted in itself? you're the one who made this claim, you should be able to back it up.
I said lots of muslims are bigoted, not Islam itself (though there is probably plenty of proof in there). The teachings of the religious leaders are equally as important as the actual religious books. The stoning to death of women is in the application of Sharia law. And no I havent got tradition mixed up with religion, although there are plenty of court cases made by muslims who want to wear their wonderful full veils and the like, unfortuantly human rights prevent us to shipping them off to a country more suited to their ideas and bullshit.
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As long as some of them don't desire a theocratic hegemony, I'll tolerate any religious minority.
"By the all merciful Allah, let's spread the word through terrorist attacks!"
Nice one, Cyril. :wanker:
40% of Muslims in the UK want to convert us to sharia law. That 40% should have been booted out ages ago.
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losts of any people are bigoted. what's your fucking point, little boy?
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losts of any people are bigoted. what's your fucking point, little boy?
I think his point is that if people don't stand up to these Islamabullies, we will have a problem on our hads as is the case in France where muslims already have significant political power.
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As long as some of them don't desire a theocratic hegemony, I'll tolerate any religious minority.
"By the all merciful Allah, let's spread the word through terrorist attacks!"
Nice one, Cyril. :wanker:
40% of Muslims in the UK want to convert us to sharia law. That 40% should have been booted out ages ago.
Source?
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As long as some of them don't desire a theocratic hegemony, I'll tolerate any religious minority.
"By the all merciful Allah, let's spread the word through terrorist attacks!"
Nice one, Cyril. :wanker:
40% of Muslims in the UK want to convert us to sharia law. That 40% should have been booted out ages ago.
Source?
wiki ?
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losts of any people are bigoted. what's your fucking point, little boy?
My point is that Lucifer is a hypocrite. She has attacked bigotry and then goes on to defend a group that is probably equally as bigoted as the BNP, if not more so. And what scraps just said.
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As long as some of them don't desire a theocratic hegemony, I'll tolerate any religious minority.
"By the all merciful Allah, let's spread the word through terrorist attacks!"
Nice one, Cyril. :wanker:
40% of Muslims in the UK want to convert us to sharia law. That 40% should have been booted out ages ago.
Source?
wiki ?
Dispatches. The Telegraph has written an article about the same poll though. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/19/nsharia19.xml
Before you argue, they used proffesionals to carry out the poll.
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losts of any people are bigoted. what's your fucking point, little boy?
My point is that Lucifer is a hypocrite. She has attacked bigotry and then goes on to defend a group that is probably equally as bigoted as the BNP, if not more so. And what scraps just said.
did she defend biggoted muslims or muslims in general?
do you have this much passionate rage against christians as well? do you lump them all together and call them biggots?
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you stay right here, darl' - you're far too entertaining and intelligent to lose. :-*
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Oh, no need to worry. I merely meant I was dropping that line of debate. ;)
And thank you for the compliments. 8)
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losts of any people are bigoted. what's your fucking point, little boy?
My point is that Lucifer is a hypocrite. She has attacked bigotry and then goes on to defend a group that is probably equally as bigoted as the BNP, if not more so. And what scraps just said.
did she defend biggoted muslims or muslims in general?
do you have this much passionate rage against christians as well? do you lump them all together and call them biggots?
Christians are not trying to monoplise our country and convert it into a fundermentalist state. Slight difference. Also thanks to the PC brigade, muslims are getting a riduclous level of special treatment, and the government is playing to their snake charmers. I dont want my country taken over by any religion. There are enough islamic nations in the world, why cant the 40% who are here fuck us over get deported to one of them.
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[sarcasam]......but Islam is SUCH a religion of peace. [/sarcasam]
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And how many a generation We destroyed ...! Had they any place of refuge (when the judgment came)?--50:36
I invite [those] who haven't read the Quran to simple read the book. Take out a highlighter and highlight those lines that counsel the believer to despise infidels, and you will find a book that is just covered with highlighter.-- Sam Harris
Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2:6
Allah has sickened their hearts. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. 2:10
Allah has blinded the disbelievers. 2:17-18
A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 2:24
Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 2:39, 2:90
Allah stamped wretchedness upon the Jews because they killed the prophets and disbelieved Allah's revelations. 2:61
Allah turned the Sabbath-breaking Jews into apes. 2:65-66
If you believe in only part of the Scripture, you will suffer in this life and go to hell in the next. 2:85
Allah has cursed them for their unbelief. 2:88
The curse of Allah is on disbelievers. 2:89
Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But they are going to hell. 2:96
Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers. 2:98
Only evil people are disbelievers. 2:99
For disbelievers is a painful doom. 2:104
For unbelievers: ignominy in this world, an awful doom in the next. 2:114
"And thou wilt not be asked about the owners of hell-fire." (They are the non-muslims.) 2:119
Disbelievers are losers. 2:121
Allah will leave the disbelievers alone for a while, but then he will compel them to the doom of Fire. 2:126
"Who forsaketh the religion of Abraham save him who befooleth himself?"
Cited in the Hamas Charter (Article 27) to condemn the idea of a secular state. 2:130
Those who reject the proofs, are accursed of Allah. 2:159
Those who die disbelievers, are cursed by Allah, angels, and men. 2:161
The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 2:162
They will not emerge from the Fire. 2:167
Disbelievers will be deaf, dumb, and blind. 2:171
Those who hide the Scripture will have their bellies eaten with fire. Theirs will be a painful doom. 2:174
How constant are they in their strife to reach the Fire! 2:175
Believers must retaliate. Those who transgress will have a painful doom. 2:178
Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2
Fight them until "religion is for Allah." 2:193
Those who fail in their duty to Allah are proud and sinful. They will all go to hell. 2:206
War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216
Those who die in their disbelief will burn forever in the Fire. 2:217
Intermarriage is forbidden. 2:221
The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers. 2:254
Disbelievers worship false gods. The will burn forever in the Fire. 2:257
Allah does not guide disbelievers. 2:264
"Give us victory over the disbelieving folk." 2:286
Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 3:4
Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. 3:10
Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. 3:12
Those who disbelieve, promise them a painful doom. 3:21
"They [Christians and Jews] say: The Fire will not touch us save for a certain number of days. That which they used to invent hath deceived them regarding their religion." (The Fire will burn them forever.) 3:24
Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. 3:28
Allah loveth not the disbelievers. 3:32
Allah will punish disbelievers in this world and the next. They will have no helpers. 3:56
Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73
Theirs will be a painful doom. 3:77
All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die. 3:85
Disbelievers will be cursed by Allah, angels, and men. They will have a painful doom. 3:87-88
Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers. 3:91
Disbelievers will have their faces blackened on the last day. They will face an awful doom. 3:105-6
Those who disbelieve will be burnt in the Fire. 3:116
Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118
The Fire is prepared for disbelievers. 3:131
Give us victory over the disbelieving folk. 3:147
We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 3:151
"Is one who followeth the pleasure of Allah as one who hath earned condemnation from Allah, whose habitation is the Fire?"
Unbelievers will burn forever in the Fire. 3:162
Theirs will be an awful doom. 3:176
Disbelievers do not harm Allah, but will have a painful doom. 3:177
Disbelievers will go to Hell. 3:196
Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will be burnt with fire and suffer a painful doom. 4:14
For the disbelievers and those who make a last-minute conversion, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 4:18
For disbelievers, We prepare a shameful doom. 4:37
Allah has cursed them for their disbelief. 4:46
Those who ascribe a partner to Allah (like Christians do with Jesus and the Holy Spirit) will not be forgiven. They have "invented a tremendous sin." 4:48, 4:116
Those who invent lies about Allah are guilty of flagrant sin. 4:50
Jews and Christians believe in idols and false deities, yet they claim to be more rightly guided than Muslims. 4:51
"Those (Christians and Jews) are they whom Allah hath cursed." 4:52
Hell is sufficient for their burning. 4:55
Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 4:56
Those who refuse to follow Muhammad, follow false gods and are deceived by Satan. 4:60
Those who refuse to believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad are hypocrites. 4:61
Oppose and admonish those who refuse to follow Muhammad. 4:63
The hypocrites refuse to die for Allah and Muhammad. 4:66
Those who obey Allah and Muhammad are favored by Allah. They are the best company. 4:69
Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 4:74
Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil. 4:76
Allah casts the hypocrites back to disbelief. Don't try to guide those that Allah sends astray. 4:88
Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89
If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91
Believers shouldn't kill believers, unless by mistake. If you kill a believer by mistake, you must set free a believing slave. 4:92
Believers who kill believers will go to hell. 4:93
The disbelievers are an open enemy to you. 4:101
For the disbelievers, Allah has prepared a shameful punishment. 4:102
Relent not in pursuit of the enemy. They have no hope from Allah. 4:104
Those who oppose the messenger and become unbelievers will go to hell. 4:115
They (those who ascribe partners to Allah) invoke in his stead only females and pray to Satan. 4:117
Allah will lead them astray and they will go to hell. 4:119-121
Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe and disbelieve again will never be forgiven by Allah. 4:137
For the hypocrites there will be a painful doom. 4:138
Allah will gather hypocrites and disbelievers into hell. 4:140
Allah will not allow disbelievers to succeed against believers. 4:141
Do not choose disbelievers as friends. 4:144
The hypocrites will be in the lowest part of hell and no one will help them there. 4:145
You must believe everything Allah and his messengers tell you. Those who don't are disbelievers and will face a painful doom. 4:150-151
For the wrongdoing Jews, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 4:160-1
God will guide disbelievers down a road that leads to everlasting hell. 4:168-169
Those who deny Islam will be losers in the Hereafter. 5:5
Disbelievers are the rightful owners of Hell. 5:10
Allah has cursed the Jews and hardened their hearts. Nearly all of them are treacherous. 5:12-13
Allah has stirred up enmity and hatred among Christians. 5:14
Christians are disbelievers for believing in the divinity of Christ. 5:17
Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 5:33
Disbelievers will have a painful doom. 5:36
Disbelievers will want to come out of the Fire, but will not. Their will be a lasting doom. 5:37
Cut off the hands of thieves. It is an exemplary punishment from Allah. 5:38
Allah makes some people sin. He will not cleanse their hearts. They will have ignominy in this world, and in the Hereafter an awful doom. 5:41
Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, and tooth for tooth. Non-muslims are wrong doers. 5:45
Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51
Jews and Christians are losers. 5:53
Don't choose Jews, Christians, or disbelievers as guardians. 5:57
Jews and Christians are evil-livers. 5:59
Evil is the handiwork of the rabbis and priests. 5:63
Allah has cast enmity and hatred among the Jews. 5:64
Allah does not guide disbelievers. 5:67
The Jews rejected and killed Allah's prophets, since "they were wilfully blind and deaf." 5:70-71
Christians will be burned in the Fire. 5:72
Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 5:73
Muslims that make friends with disbelievers will face a doom prepared for them by Allah. 5:80
Disbelievers will be owners of hell-fire. 5:86
Allah will test believers to see if they are afraid. Those who fail a second test will suffer a a painful doom. 5:94
Disbelievers will say when they see the Fire that they would have believed if they had known the truth. But they are all liars. 6:27-28
Allah will torment those how deny his revelations. 6:49
Stay away from those who "meddle with" or mock the Quran. 6:68
Those who disbelieve will be forced to drink boiling water, and will face a painful doom. 6:70
When nonbelievers die, the angels will deliver to them doom and degradation. 6:93
Stay away from idolaters. 6:106
Allah confounds the hearts and eyes of unbelievers. 6:110
Most unbelievers are ignorant. 6:111
Allah allows some to disbelieve in the afterlife, and to take pleasure in their disbelief, so that he can torment them forever after they die. 6:113
The worst thing anyone can do is deny the revelations of Allah. Those who do so will be awared an evil doom. 6:157
Disbelievers lose their souls. 7:9
Allah has made devils the protecting friends of disbeliveers. 7:27
Disbelievers choose devils as protecting friends and believe they are rightly guided. 7:30
Only believers go to heaven. 7:32
Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire. 7:36
Disbelievers will be excluded from heaven. Theirs will be a bed of hell. 7:40-41
Those in the fire will be taunted by those in the Garden. "So how's it going down there? Are you enjoying the warmth of the Fire?" 7:44
Those in the Fire will cry out to those in heaven, saying: "Pour water on us." But Allah has forbidden that to disbelievers. 7:50
Disbelievers are liars. 7:66
Allah turns Jews into apes! 7:166
Those who deny Muhammad's revelation are evil. 7:177
Allah will throw fear into the hearts of the disbelievers, and smite their necks and fingers. 8:12
Disbelievers will be tormented in the Fire. 8:14
When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to hell. 8:15-16
Those that the Muslims killed were not really killed by them. It was Allah who did the killing. 8:17
"Rain down stones on us or bring on us some painful doom!" 8:32
Taste of the doom because ye disbelieve. 8:35
Those who disbelieve will be gathered into hell. 8:36
Fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. 8:39
The angels smite the face and backs of disbelievers, saying: "Taste the punishment of burning!" 8:50
The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers. 8:55
Don't let the disbelievers think they can escape. They are your enemy and the enemy of Allah. 8:59-60
Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are without intelligence. 8:65
A prophet may not take captives until he has made a slaughter in the land. 8:67
Disbelievers cause confusion and "corruption in the land." 8:73
"Ye cannot escape Allah. Allah will confound the disbelievers." 9:2
Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve. 9:3
Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. 9:5
Those who submit and convert to Islam will be treated well. (Those who don't submit will be killed. See previous verse.) 9:6
Don't make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted. 9:7-9
Treat converts to Islam well. (Kill those who refuse to convert. See 9:5) 9:11
Fight the disbelievers! Allah is on your side; he will give you victory. 9:12-14
Don't let idolaters tend the sanctuaries. Their works are in vain and they will be burned in the Fire. 9:17
Don't make be friends with with your disbelieving family members. Those who do so are wrong-doers. 9:23
Allah punished those who disbelieved. 9:26
Only idolaters are unclean. Keep them away from your places of worship. 9:28
Fight against Christians and Jews "until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low." 9:29
Christians and Jews are perverse. Allah himself fights against them. 9:30
The "Religion of Truth" (Islam) must prevail, by force if necessary, over all other religions. 9:33
Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to the rich and greedy Christian monks and Jewish rabbis. 9:34
Allah does not guide the disbelievers. 9:37
Fight for Allah with your wealth and whatever weapons are available to you. 9:41
Those who refuse to fight for Allah (claiming they are unable) are liars who have destroyed their souls. 9:42
Disbelievers go to hell. 9:49
"Allah will afflict you with a doom from Him or at our hands." 9:52
Pay your contribution willingly. Allah will not accept a contribution from disbelievers or idlers. 9:53
Those who vex the Prophet, for them there is a painful doom. 9:60
Allah is only pleased by true believers. 9:62
Those who oppose Allah and His messenger will burn in the fire of hell. 9:63
Allah promises hypocrites and disbelievers the fire of hell. Allah curses them. They will have a lasting torment. 9:68
Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway. 9:73
Allah will afflict disbelievers with a painful doom in this world and the Hereafter. 9:74
God will not forgive disbelievers, so don't ask. 9:80
Those who refuse to give their wealth and lives to Allah will face the fire of hell. 9:81-83
Don't pray for dead disbelievers or attend their funerals. 9:84
Those who refuse to fight for Allah will be treated (along with their children) as unbelievers. 9:85
For disbelievers there will be a painful doom. 9:90
Non-muslim who pretend to believe (so they won't be killed by Muslims) are unclean and will go to hell. 9:95
The unbelieving Arabs will be punished by Allah with an evil fortune. 9:97-98
"We shall chastise them twice; then they will be relegated to a painful doom." 9:101
Stay away from non-Muslims. They are all liars. 9:107
Those that ignore Allah will be thown into the fire of hell. 9:109
Believers must fight for Allah. They must kill and be killed , and are bound to do so by the Torah, Gospel, and Quran. But Allah will reward them for it. 9:111
Don't pray for idolaters (not even for your family) after it is clear they are people of hell-fire. 9:113
Abraham disowned his father for being an enemy of Allah. 9:114
Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 9:123
Disbelievers are wicked and have diseased hearts. 9:125
Allah turns away those who misunderstand him. 9:127
Disbelievers will have a boiling drink and a painful doom. 10:4
Those who neglect Allah's revelations will make their home in the Fire. 10:7-8
Allah has destoyed entire generations. 10:13
Denying the revelations of Allah is the worst sin imaginable. 10:17
On the last day Allah will kill all the disbelievers (and then he will torture them forever in hell). 10:45
Those who disbelieved will face a dreadful doom. 10:70
Allah drowned those who disbelieved his revelations. 10:73
Moses asked Allah to harden the hearts of the Egyptians so that they would not believe until they saw the painful doom. 10:88
If you deny the revelations of Allah, you will be among the losers and will "see the painful doom." 10:95-97
Disbelievers will end up in the Fire. 11:17
Those who oppose Islam and disbelieve in the Hereafter are guilty of the greatest wrong. 11:18-19
Allah sent a lasting doom on those who mocked Noah. 11:39
Those who drowned in the flood were disbelievers. 11:42
Allah will send a painful doom on several nations. 11:48
"What shall be his reward, who wisheth evil to thy folk, save prison or a painful doom?" 12:25
Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire 13:5
Allah does not hear the prayer of disbelievers. 13:14
Those who do not answer Allah's call will go to hell. 13:18
Disbelievers will be tormented in this life, and suffer even more pain in the Hereafter. 13:33-34
The reward for disbelievers is the Fire. 13:35
Woe unto the disbelievers. Theirs will be an awful doom. 14:2
"Lo! for wrong-doers is a painful doom." 14:22
"They set up rivals to Allah that they may mislead (men) from His way. Say: Enjoy life (while ye may) for lo! your journey's end will be the Fire." 14:30
Let the disbelievers enjoy life and let false hope beguile them. They will come to know! 15:2-3
Iblis will lead humans astray. Only perfect Muslims will be safe from him. The rest will go to hell. 15:39-43
Those who don't believe in the Hereafter are proud. 16:22
Allah made a roof fall in to kill unbelievers. "And the doom came on them whence they knew not." 16:26
Disbelievers are evil and will dwell in hell forever. 16:27-29
Disbelievers are liars. 16:39
Theirs will be the Fire, and they will be abandoned." 16:62
"Theirs will be a painful doom." 16:63
Allah will add doom to doom for those who disbelieve. 16:88
Those who oppose Islam will face an awful doom. 16:94
Those who loose their faith in Islam will face an awful doom. Allah's wrath is upon them. 16:106
Those who invent lies against Allah will have a painful doom. 16:116-7
Allah made hell to be a dungeon for disbelievers. 17:8
Allah has prepared a painful doom for those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. 17:10
Allah destroyed entire towns. 17:16
How many generations Allah has destroyed since Noah! 17:17
Allah intends to burn people in hell. 17:18
"Set not up with Allah any other god, lest thou be cast into hell." 17:39
Allah makes it so that unbelievers cannot understand. 17:45-46
Allah will send disbelievers astray. Then he'll burn them in hell, increasing the flames from time to time. 17:97-98
"He maketh none to share in His government."
Democracy is heresy. Allah shares his government with no one. 18:26
Allah has prepared a Fire for the disbelievers. When they want a shower, Allah will give them a shower of molten lead to burn their faces. 18:29
Christians will cry out to Allah's "partners", but they won't hear them; Allah will send them to their doom. 18:52
The worst wrong is to forget Allah's revelations. Allah covers their hearts and makes them deaf so that they will never believe the truth. 18:57
On a certain day, Allah will present hell, in plain view, to the disbelievers. 18:100
Allah will welcome the disbelievers into hell. 18:102
The good works of disbelievers are all in vain. They will go to hell anyway. 18:104-105
Hell is the reward for disbelievers because they made a jest of Allah's revelations and messengers. 18:106
"Woe unto the disbelievers from the meeting of an awful Day."
Jesus was not the Son of God. Those who say he was (Christians) are going to hell. 19:35-37
Allah will pluck out from every sect those who should burn in hell. 19:69-70
Allah will prolong the lives of non-believers so they can see their punishment, either in this world or in the Hour of doom. 19:75
Allah will record what disbelievers say and then prolong their torment. 19:77-79
Allah has sent the devils on the disbelievers to confuse them. 19:83
Allah will "drive the guilty unto hell, a weary herd." 19:86
Lo! it hath been revealed unto us that the doom will be for him who denieth and turneth away." 20:48
Those who do not believe Allah's revelations will face doom in the Hereafter. 20:127
Allah destroyed entire towns, yet the people still disbelieved. 21:6
"And one of them who should say: Lo! I am a god beside Him, that one We should repay with hell." 21:29
Disbelievers will not be able to put out the fire on their faces and backs. They will be stupefied and no one will help them. 21:39-40
The disbelievers will stare in terror at what Allah has in store for them. 21:97-99
Those who turn from the way of Allah will face ignominy in this world and burning in the next. 22:9
Whoever thinks that Allah will not give Muhammad victory should go hang himself. 22:15
Disbelievers will wear garments of fire, boiling fluid will be poured on their heads, their bellies and skin will be melted, they will be tormented with iron hooks, and when they try to escape they will be driven back with the taunt: Taste the doom of burning. 22:19-22
Allah will provide the disbelievers with a painful doom. 22:25
Those who disregard Allah's revelations are the owners of the Fire. 22:51
"Those who disbelieve will not cease to be in doubt thereof until the Hour come upon them unawares, or there come unto them the doom of a disastrous day." 22:55
Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will have a shameful doom. 22:57
Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will burn in the Fire. 22:72
Those who don't believe in the Hereafter will receive extreme punishment from Allah. 23:74-77
Disbelievers will not be successful. 23:117
Those who traduce virtuous, believing women ... cursed are they in the world and the Hereafter. Theirs will be an awful doom." 24:23
Disbelievers are miscreants. 24:55
Disbelievers will never escape the Fire that will be their home. 24:57
The only true believers are those who believe in Allah and his messenger. 24:62
Those who deny the coming of the Hour will be chained together and burned with fire. They will pray for their own destruction. 25:11-13
It will be a hard day for disbelievers and wrong-doers. They will gnaw on their hands and wish they had chosen Islam. 25:26-27
Those who deny Muhammad's revelations will be destroyed. 25:36
Allah drowned everyone in the flood of Noah, and has prepared a painful doom for evil-doers. 25:37
"They [the non-muslims] will know, when they behold the doom, who is more astray as to the road." 25:42
Don't obey disbelievers. But rather fight against them. 25:52
Those who cry out to another god with Allah will be tormented doubly in hell. 25:68-69
Many will not believe until they see the painful doom. 26:201
Those who believe in another god are doomed. 26:213
Stay away from poets. The erring follow them. 26:224
Allah leads those who do not believe in the Hereafter astray by making things work out OK in this life, so that he can torment them forever in the next. They will get the worst punishment and will be the greatest losers. 27:4-5
But he "saved those who believed." 27:53
Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom, saying: Where are My partners whom ye imagined? 28:62-64
Never help disbelievers. 28:86
Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah have no hope of mercy. For such there is a painful doom. 29:23
"Ye have chosen only idols instead of Allah ... on the Day of Resurrection ye will deny each other and curse each other, and your abode will be the Fire, and ye will have no helpers." 29:25
Only wrong-doers deny the revelations of Allah. 29:49
Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah are the losers. 29:52
The doom of hell will come upon disbelievers suddenly, when they least expect it. 29:53-55
The worst thing you can do is tell a lie about Allah. Hell is the home of disbelievers. 29:68
When the Hour comes, Christians will be divided into two groups: Those who believed Allah's revelations, and those who disbelieved in them. The believers will be happy in the Garden; the disbelievers will be brought to doom. 30:13-16
Allah does not love disbelievers. 30:45
Allah seals the heart of disbelievers. (And then he burns them in the Fire.) 30:59
Those who mislead others from Allah's way and mock Islam will have a painful doom. 31:6-7
Allah will give disbelievers a little comfort for a little while, and then he'll torment them forever with a heavy doom. 31:23-24
Allah will fill hell with the jinn and mankind together. 32:13
Allah: Taste the doom of immortality because of what ye used to do. 32:14
Those who used to deny the Fire will be tormented in it forever. 32:20
The worst thing you can do is to deny the revelations of Allah. 32:22
Don't obey disbelievers. 33:1
He hath prepared a painful doom for the unfaithful." 33:8
Allah makes the deeds of unbelievers fruitless. 33:19
Allah cast panic into the hearts of the disbelievers. He killed some, and enslaved others. 33:25-26
Ignore disbelievers and their poisonous talk. 33:48
Those who malign Allah, Muhammad, and Muslims will be cursed by Allah in this life and with doom in the Hereafter. 33:57
Those who oppose Islam will be slain with a fierce slaughter. 33:60-61
Allah has cursed the disbelievers, and has prepared for them a flaming fire, wherein they will abide forever. 33:64-65
The disbelievers will be burned in the Fire with a double torment. 33:66-68
Those who challenge the revelations of Muhammad will have a painful doom. 34:5
"They are filled with remorse when they behold the doom; and We place carcans on the necks of those who disbelieved." 34:33
Those who disbelieve in the Hereafter will be tormented. 34:8
Those who strive against Allah's revelations will be brought to the doom. 34:38
Allah hates those who ignore his messengers. 34:45
Those who ignore Allah's messenger (Muhammed) will face a terrific doom. 34:46
Those who are cast into hell be terrified when they see that they have no escape. Then they will believe. But it will be too late. 34:51-52
Those who disbelieve will have an awful doom. 35:7
Allah hates disbelievers. 35:26
Disbelievers will burn forever in the fire of hell. Allah will keep them alive so that he can torture them forever. When they repent and ask for mercy, he will ignore them. 35:36-7
He who disbelieves, his disbelief be on his own head. 35:39
Allah has blinded the disbelievers so that they cannot see the truth. So it don't bother warning them. They will go to hell anyway. 36:8-10
Allah will burn the disbelievers in hell. 36:63-4
Those who refuse to believe in Muhammad's revelations will face a painful doom. 37:31-38
If you're not favored by Allah, you're doomed. 37:57
Allah drowned everyone except Noah and his family in the flood. 37:82
Only the "single-minded slaves of Allah" will be saved from the doom. 37:127-8
Allah killed everyone in Sodom except for Lot and his family. 37:136
No one is against Allah, except those who burn in hell. 37:162-3
Just wait a while and watch. The unbelievers will soon be destroyed in the doom. 37:176-9
Those who disbelieve are in false pride and schism. 38:2
Allah has destroyed many generations. 38:3
Those who doubt will soon taste Allah's doom. 38:8
Those who deny the messengers deserve doom. 38:14
Those who wander from the way of Allah will have an awful doom. 38:26
Those who disbelieve will burn in the Fire. 38:27
Tell the disbelievers to enjoy themselves now, because later they will be owners of the Fire. 39:8
Those who disobey Allah should fear his doom. 39:13
No one will be able to help those that Allah torments in the Fire. 39:19
Woe unto those who forget Allah. They are in plain error. 39:22
The doom will come upon those who deny what Allah has revealed. 39:25
Allah will make non-believers "taste humiliation in the life of the world" and " the doom of the Hereafter" which will be even worse. 39:26
The worst thing you can do is tell a lie against Allah. The home of disbelievers is hell. 39:32
Surrender to Allah before he sends the doom upon you suddenly. 39:54-55
Disbelievers had their chance to believe. They will all suffer in an endless doom. 39:56-59
Those who lie about Allah will be sent to hell and will have their faces blackened. 39:60
Losers are those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah. 39:63
Those ascribe a partner to Allah (like the Christians) will be among the losers. 39:65
Those who disbelieve will be driven into hell. 39:71-72
Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 40:6
Allah greatly abhors those who disbelieve. 40:10
Those who ignore Allah's "clear proofs" will be seized and punished severely. 40:22
Those in hell will beg to be relieved from the Fire's torment for just a day. But the prayer of a disbeliever is in vain. 40:49-50
Those who bicker about Allah's revelations are filled with pride. 40:56
Those who scorn Allah will go to hell. 40:60
Those who deny the revelations of Allah are perverted. 40:63
Those who deny the Scripture and Allah's messengers will be dragged through boiling water and thrust into the Fire. 40:70-72
Allah will taunt the Christians in hell, saying: Where are all my parnters that you used to believe in? 40:73
Thus does Allah send astray the disbelievers (in his guidance). 40:74
Those who scorn will go to hell. 40:76
When they see Allah's doom they will believe in Allah. But their faith will not save them. The disbelievers will be ruined. 40:84-85
Woe unto the idolaters who disbelieve in the Hereafter. 41:6
The enemies of Allah will be gathered into the Fire where their skin, ears, and eyes will testify against them. 41:19-20
Non-muslims will be tormented forever in the Fire. Allah will not have any mercy on them. 41:24
Allah will make those who disbelieve taste an awful doom. Their immortal home will be the Fire, since they denied Allah's revelations. 41:27-28
"Lo! those who distort Our revelations are not hid from Us. Is he who is hurled into the Fire better?" 41:40
Those who disbelieve will taste hard punishment. 41:50
In whatsoever ye differ, the verdict therein belongeth to Allah."
Disputes, whether religious or political, must be decided by Allah. Democracy is not an option. 42:10
Those who argue about Allah will have his wrath upon them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 42:16
"And as for disbelievers, theirs will be an awful doom." 42:26
Allah sends some people astray and then punishes them for it by burning them in the Fire. 42:44-46
Those who turn people away from Islam will "be sharers in the doom." 43:37-39
"But they will come to know."
Allah will torment disbelievers forever in hell. 43:88-89
Those in torment will claim to believe and ask Allah for relief. But he will refuse since they will return to their disbelief. 44:11-16
"He hath saved them [Muslims] from the doom of hell."
(Everyone else is going to hell.) 44:56
Those who hear and reject Allah's revelations are sinful liars. Give them tidings of a painful doom. 45:7-8
Those who joke about Allah's revelations will go to hell. Theirs will be a shameful doom. 45:9-10
Those who disbelieve in Allah's revelations will have a awful doom of wrath. 45:11
Those who disbelieve are guilty folk. 45:31
Disbelievers will be rewarded with the ignominious doom of the Fire. 46:20
Serve only Allah or face the doom of a tremendous day. 46:21
If you believe Muhammed, Allah will forgive some of your sins and protect you from the painful doom (that he plans to torture everyone else with). 46:31
Allah will taunt the disbelievers that he torments in the fire, saying: "Taste the doom for that ye disbelieved." 46:34
Allah makes the works of disbelievers vain. 47:1
Those who disbelieve follow falsehood. 47:3
Smite the necks of the disbelievers whenever you fight against them. Those who die fighting for Allah will be rewarded. 47:4
Allah will damn the disbelievers and make all their actions fruitless. 47:8-9
Disbelievers may eat and be happy now, but the Fire will be their final home. 47:12
Those who turn away from Islam, and obey non-Muslims in some things, have been seduced by Satan. 47:25-26
Angels will gather them together and smite their faces and backs. 47:27
Allah will make the actions those who disbelieve fruitless. 47:32
Those who disbelieve will never be pardoned by Allah. 47:34-35
Those who think an evil thought concerning Allah will be cursed and sent to hell by him. 48:6
Allah has prepared a flame for the disbelievers. 48:13
If you refuse to fight for Allah, he will punish you with a painful doom. 48:16
"Whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom." 48:17
Allah punished those who disbelieved with a painful punishment. 48:25
Allah will "cause it [Islam] to prevail over all religion." 48:28
Those with Muhammad are ruthless toward disbelievers and merciful toward themselves. 48:29
Allah will hurl those who believe in another god into a dreadful doom. 50:26
Accursed are the conjecturers who ask: When is the Day of Judgment? It is the day they will be tormented by the Fire. 51:10-14
"We left behind therein a portent for those who fear a painful doom." 51:37
Woe to the disbelievers. 51:60
Those who deny the existence of hell will be thrust into its Fire. 52:11-16
"Their Lord hath warded off from them the torment of hell-fire."
(Everyone else is going to hell -- and the believers are all okay with that.) 52:18
Those who disbelieve are trapped. 52:42
Those who disbelieve in the afterlife give female names to angels. 53:27
Those who disbelieve in the afterlife are only guessing and have no real knowledge. 53:29
Stay away from non-Muslims, especially those who disbelieve in the afterlife. 53:29
Allah sent a storm of stones on Lot's folk, killing all but Lot's family. 54:34
The guilty deny hell. But after they die they go circling between it and fierce, boiling water. 55:43-44
Those who deny Allah and the Hereafter will eat from the Zaqqum tree and drink boiling water. 56:51-54
Allah will welcome the rejecters and erring with boiling water and a roasting in the hell fire. 56:92-94
Those who disbelieve or doubt the revelations of Allah will be face the doom. 57:13-14
The home of disbelievers is the Fire, a hapless journey's end. 57:15
Those who disbelieve and deny Allah's revelations are the owners of the fire. 57:19
For disbelievers is a painful doom. 58:4
For disbelievers is a shameful doom. 58:5
Those who disobey Muhammed will go to hell. 58:8
Don't make friends with Allah's enemies. For those who do so, Allah has prepared a dreadful doom. 58:14-15
Those who turn others away from the way of Allah will have a shameful doom. They are rightful owners of the Fire. 58:16-17
Those who oppose Allah and His Messenger will be among the lowest. 58:20
On the Last Day good Muslims will not love their non-Muslim friends and family members, not even their fathers, sons, or brothers (or their mothers, daughters, or sisters). 58:22
Allah cast fear into the hearts of the disbelieving People of the Scripture. Their home in the Hereafter will be the Fire. 59:2-3
The disbelieving people of the Scripture are liars. 59:11
The disbelievers fear the believers more than Allah. 59:13
The devil and disbelievers will be in the Fire. 59:16-17
The owners of the Garden and the owners of the Fire are not equal. 59:20
Don't be friends with disbelievers. They are your (and Allah's) enemy. 60:1
Don't be friends with those who have warred against you because of religion. Whoever makes friends with them is a wrong-doer. 60:9
Don't be friends with those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. They are Allah's enemies. 60:13
The worst thing you can do is tell a lie about Allah. 61:7
Allah gave Muhammad the one true religion and sent him to conquer all other (false) religions. 61:9
"O ye who believe! Shall I show you a commerce that will save you from a painful doom?" 61:10
A hypocritical Jew looks like an ass carrying books. Those who deny the revelations of Allah are ugly. 62:5
Allah seals the hearts of those who believe and then disbelieve so that they can understand nothing. 63:3
Disbelievers are perverted. They are the enemy, confounded by Allah. 63:4
Don't bother to ask Allah to forgive the disbelievers. He will never forgive them. 63:6
Those who disbelieve will have a painful doom. 64:5
Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 64:10
Be stern with disbelievers. They are going to Hell anyway. 66:9
Disbelievers will go to hell where they will hear its roaring and boiling. 67:6-7
Who will protect the disbelievers from a painful doom? (Nobody) 67:28
Refuse to obey the "rejecters" (Non-Muslims?) who seek compromise 68:8-9
Those who consider the Quran to be "mere fables" will be branded on the nose.68:15-16
"Shall We then treat those who have surrendered (Muslims) as We treat the guilty (Non-Muslims)?" 68:35
Those who do not believe in Allah will be chained up and cast into hell-fire where they will eat filth. 69:30-35
Doom is about to fall on all disbelievers. Only worshippers (Muslims) and those who preserve their chastity (except with their wives and slave girls) will be spared from "the fires of hell" that are "eagar to roast." 70:1-30
"Lo! the doom of their Lord is that before which none can feel secure" (except for maybe those who are fearful of it). 70:27-28
Disbelievers will enter hell with frantic with fear, knowing they will be tortured forever by Allah. 70:36, 44
Allah sent Noah to warn people about the painful doom he was planning to send. (It didn't work out well; Allah sent it anyway.) 71:1
Noah asked Allah to drown all the disbelievers. 71:26
The fires of hell will be fueled with the bodies of idolators and unbelievers. They will experience an ever-greater torment. 72:15-17
Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will dwell forever in the fire of hell. 72:23
Allah will take care of the deniers. He will tie them up, burn them in a raging fire, and feed them food that chokes them. 73:11-13
The last day will be a day of anguish for disbelievers. 74:9-10
Those who are stubborn to Allah's revelations will face a fearful doom. 74:16-17
Allah has appointed angels to tend the Fire and has prepared stumbling blocks for those who disbelieve. He sends some people (whoever he wants) astray. 74:31
Those who pay attention to this life and ignore the Hereafter will suffer forever in hell. 75:20-29
Allah has prepared chains, manacles, and a raging fire for the disbelievers. 76:4
Don't obey disbelievers. 76:24
Woe unto the repudiators on that day! 77:19, 77:24, 77:28, 77:34, 77:40, 77:45, 77:49
Depart unto that doom which ye used to deny." 77:29
Those who deny the revelations given to Muhammed will burn forever in hell. 78:21-30
"Lo! We warn you of a doom at hand, a day whereon a man will look on that which his own hands have sent before, and the disbeliever will cry: 'Would that I were dust!'" 78:40
Those who rebel by choosing this life over the next will go to hell. 79:37-39
Disbelievers are wicked people. On the last day they will be in darkness and have dust on their faces. 80:40-42
Those who reject Allah's revelations will burn in hell. 83:10-17
The disbelievers used to laugh at the believers. But the final laugh will be on them. 83:29-36
Disbelievers will be given a painful doom. 84:22-24
Those who persecute Muslims, without repenting, will burn in hell. 85:10
Allah plots against non-Muslims. 86:16
"Deal gently with them (non-Muslims) for a while. (How long is "a while"?) 86:17
Allah will punish disbelievers with the direst punishment. 88:23-24
Allah poured the disaster of His punishment upon those who rebelled against him. 89:11-13
Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will have the Fire placed over them like an awning. 90:19-20
Those who deny Allah's revelations must endure the flaming fire. 92:14-16
Allah created humans to be "of best stature" but then reduced them "to the lowest of the low". Except for "those who believe and do good works." But what about those who don't believe but do good works? Are they the "lowest of the low"? 95:4-6
Allah will grab those who deny His guidance by the forelock and call the guards of hell. 96:13-18
Those who disbelieve will abide in the fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings. 98:6
Only religious people help orphans or those in need. 107:1-3
Witchcraft is evil. 113:4
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.....but Islam is SUCH a religion of peace.
It wants to make peace by killing all the non-believers :laugh:
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You know you miss the army barracks, taking it up the ass from your Sergeant like the good little choir boy you are.
I wasn't in the Army dumbass!! :P
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that's your problem, hadron--you never do the research, you're too lazy. wiki is about as far as you're willing to go, which is why it's so easy to turn that against you. you rarely back up anything you say and you always find someone else to blame when you're caught.
In a lot of cases, it really isn't worth much bother.
In my case, I have a lot of half remembered tidbits,
and wiki is a good way of reinforcing what I've already
discovered. Plus, one gets yelled at around here for
providing historical information as part of an argument.
'Tis easier (and just as safe) to just shoot from the hip.
Maybe some of the newer members are making it
a bit more rigorous though.
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I said lots of muslims are bigoted, not Islam itself (though there is probably plenty of proof in there). The teachings of the religious leaders are equally as important as the actual religious books. The stoning to death of women is in the application of Sharia law. And no I havent got tradition mixed up with religion, although there are plenty of court cases made by muslims who want to wear their wonderful full veils and the like, unfortuantly human rights prevent us to shipping them off to a country more suited to their ideas and bullshit.
this is what you actually said:
even if it is one of the most bigoted religions in the planet
seems clear to me you meant the *religion*. now, let's hear you blame someone or something. bigot.
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losts of any people are bigoted. what's your fucking point, little boy?
My point is that Lucifer is a hypocrite. She has attacked bigotry and then goes on to defend a group that is probably equally as bigoted as the BNP, if not more so. And what scraps just said.
did she defend biggoted muslims or muslims in general?
do you have this much passionate rage against christians as well? do you lump them all together and call them biggots?
Christians are not trying to monoplise our country and convert it into a fundermentalist state.
yes they are you nitwit. have you seen president bush? ::) if he could get his hands on the rest of the world... and to an extent he does... he would try to convert and coerce you and me just like all of america. he is a fundie, just like osama bin fucking laden and saddam fucking hussein. he preaches "good christian values" but to him those are oil and war and oppression and censorship.
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losts of any people are bigoted. what's your fucking point, little boy?
My point is that Lucifer is a hypocrite. She has attacked bigotry and then goes on to defend a group that is probably equally as bigoted as the BNP, if not more so. And what scraps just said.
you attack a whole religion but think others are bigoted?
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I'm ashamed of how fascist the GWB administration has proved to be.
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aren't we all.
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.....but Islam is SUCH a religion of peace.
It wants to make peace by killing all the non-believers :laugh:
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here we go again. scrap's cutting and pasting of an unnamed source doesn't justify your bigotry:
http://www.submission.info/perspectives/striving/wars.html
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.....but Islam is SUCH a religion of peace.
It wants to make peace by killing all the non-believers :laugh:
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here we go again. scrap's cutting and pasting of an unnamed source doesn't justify your bigotry:
http://www.submission.info/perspectives/striving/wars.html
An unnamed source?? That was straight from the fucking Quran you stupid fuck!! Didn't you see the verse quotes??
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i can show you some pretty fucked up shit from the bible.
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yada, yada, yada. we all know there's shitloads wrong with organised religions, especially when the fundies get going. my point about defending various groups is that lumping "all muslims", "all christians", "all men", "all black people", etc., etc, together is not only bigoted, as one then makes sweeping generalisations about what are, practically by default, extremely heterogenous groups, which i would call bigotry.
yes, people do hideous things in the name of islam, as they do in the name of christianity, hinduism, communism, fascism, new labour, so-called contemporary R&B, and about a squizillion more. i don't defend any of that, but i do defend a disparate group of people from attacks by those who don't actually know what they're talking about, have no real experience of the bigger picture, and are closed-minded about the whole thing (i.e. bigots).
as far as islam is concerned, muslims just happen to be the latest in a long line of scapegoats, and the danger with scapegoating is, obviously, that those doing the scapegoating don't bother to look at themselves to see where their own responsibilities lie, for whatever wrongs they're blaming the others for. of course islamic terrorists are a bunch of dangerous, fanatical wankers. but it's lazy and irresponsible to blame them for everything wrong with the world today.
might help if you'd actually read some of my other posts on the subject properly, hadron, as i'm sure i've said this several times before. ::)
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that would require him to form an informed opinion, and we know how likely that is. ::)
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losts of any people are bigoted. what's your fucking point, little boy?
My point is that Lucifer is a hypocrite. She has attacked bigotry and then goes on to defend a group that is probably equally as bigoted as the BNP, if not more so. And what scraps just said.
you attack a whole religion but think others are bigoted?
I am not the one who is defending and attacking bigotory at the same time. Asides a religion is a set of views that people choose to follow, and they can take responsiblity for assigning themselves to that group, equally as much as if someone joins the BNP they can be labelled. Exactly the same thing, except one just happens to be called a religion and apparently makes it ok.
I said lots of muslims are bigoted, not Islam itself (though there is probably plenty of proof in there). The teachings of the religious leaders are equally as important as the actual religious books. The stoning to death of women is in the application of Sharia law. And no I havent got tradition mixed up with religion, although there are plenty of court cases made by muslims who want to wear their wonderful full veils and the like, unfortuantly human rights prevent us to shipping them off to a country more suited to their ideas and bullshit.
this is what you actually said:
even if it is one of the most bigoted religions in the planet
seems clear to me you meant the *religion*. now, let's hear you blame someone or something. bigot.
Attacking a religion doesnt make someone a bigot, see above.
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losts of any people are bigoted. what's your fucking point, little boy?
My point is that Lucifer is a hypocrite. She has attacked bigotry and then goes on to defend a group that is probably equally as bigoted as the BNP, if not more so. And what scraps just said.
did she defend biggoted muslims or muslims in general?
do you have this much passionate rage against christians as well? do you lump them all together and call them biggots?
Christians are not trying to monoplise our country and convert it into a fundermentalist state.
yes they are you nitwit. have you seen president bush? ::) if he could get his hands on the rest of the world... and to an extent he does... he would try to convert and coerce you and me just like all of america. he is a fundie, just like osama bin fucking laden and saddam fucking hussein. he preaches "good christian values" but to him those are oil and war and oppression and censorship.
Is Bush trying to spread fundermentalist Christianity to the UK. I didnt think so. Asides him and his friends dont make up the vast majority of Christians, where as with Islam its a massive proportion, all you have to do is turn on your TV to see it.
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yada, yada, yada. we all know there's shitloads wrong with organised religions, especially when the fundies get going. my point about defending various groups is that lumping "all muslims", "all christians", "all men", "all black people", etc., etc, together is not only bigoted, as one then makes sweeping generalisations about what are, practically by default, extremely heterogenous groups, which i would call bigotry.
yes, people do hideous things in the name of islam, as they do in the name of christianity, hinduism, communism, fascism, new labour, so-called contemporary R&B, and about a squizillion more. i don't defend any of that, but i do defend a disparate group of people from attacks by those who don't actually know what they're talking about, have no real experience of the bigger picture, and are closed-minded about the whole thing (i.e. bigots).
as far as islam is concerned, muslims just happen to be the latest in a long line of scapegoats, and the danger with scapegoating is, obviously, that those doing the scapegoating don't bother to look at themselves to see where their own responsibilities lie, for whatever wrongs they're blaming the others for. of course islamic terrorists are a bunch of dangerous, fanatical wankers. but it's lazy and irresponsible to blame them for everything wrong with the world today.
might help if you'd actually read some of my other posts on the subject properly, hadron, as i'm sure i've said this several times before. ::)
Thank you for taking the time to attempt to define something that is instinctual in many peoples thoughts, although, I'm afraid that the only hearing ears already understand this.
I just gave you a positive karma point.
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losts of any people are bigoted. what's your fucking point, little boy?
My point is that Lucifer is a hypocrite. She has attacked bigotry and then goes on to defend a group that is probably equally as bigoted as the BNP, if not more so. And what scraps just said.
you attack a whole religion but think others are bigoted?
I'd attack almost any religion. MOST seem pretty bigoted,
to me. Nationalities too.
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As to Islam, I have a theory, having to do
with the age of religions. That certain types
seem to go through periods of extreme hatred.
Islam and Christianity are pretty damned similar,
but Islam is some 500 years behind. Puts them
at right about the time when the Christians were
'converting' the new world, and Beginning what
may have been the worst period of internal strife.
I'd suspect that Islam is due for another fragmentation.
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You know you miss the army barracks, taking it up the ass from your Sergeant like the good little choir boy you are.
I wasn't in the Army dumbass!! :P
Ooooh, I forget. You were locked up in some closet on a U.S. Marine battleship, masturbating with great satisfaction at your naked comrades trying to get dressed, but they were disturbed by the queer grunting and moaning by yours truly.
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Marines have their own battleships?
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yada, yada, yada. we all know there's shitloads wrong with organised religions, especially when the fundies get going. my point about defending various groups is that lumping "all muslims", "all christians", "all men", "all black people", etc., etc, together is not only bigoted, as one then makes sweeping generalisations about what are, practically by default, extremely heterogenous groups, which i would call bigotry.
yes, people do hideous things in the name of islam, as they do in the name of christianity, hinduism, communism, fascism, new labour, so-called contemporary R&B, and about a squizillion more. i don't defend any of that, but i do defend a disparate group of people from attacks by those who don't actually know what they're talking about, have no real experience of the bigger picture, and are closed-minded about the whole thing (i.e. bigots).
as far as islam is concerned, muslims just happen to be the latest in a long line of scapegoats, and the danger with scapegoating is, obviously, that those doing the scapegoating don't bother to look at themselves to see where their own responsibilities lie, for whatever wrongs they're blaming the others for. of course islamic terrorists are a bunch of dangerous, fanatical wankers. but it's lazy and irresponsible to blame them for everything wrong with the world today.
might help if you'd actually read some of my other posts on the subject properly, hadron, as i'm sure i've said this several times before. ::)
I am making judgements on a collective choice that people have made, and I am sure you would agree with me in saying that people should be held in account for their actions. Just as you are sweepingly attacking people for being a member of the BNP.
As for my research, I have more than done it. Yes there are some muslims who have opened their eyes and modernised, but they are few and far between, the ones who have realised half the religion is not acceptatable in the modern era. Its the ones who follow the mainstream ideas are the problem, given what is said in the Koran. If you take the terrorists aside, there is still a big big problem. Muslims in the UK have made themselves scapegoats through their own actions over the last 5-6 years.
Ditto.
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Islam and Christianity are exactly the same. Just changed the names of the mesompotanian and Sumerian legends which went back 3000 years before the Mohammed/Jesus character of the aforesaid religions.
From the times of Babylonia, exported to the new world by lineage which are now top level freemasons.
This is also why there is much dispute in the middle-east. The descendants of Babylonia which have now populated the Americas wish to reclaim their land.
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There are some differences in the teachings.
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There are some differences in the teachings.
different people require different methodology in the constructs of the control system.
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There are some differences in the teachings.
different people require different methodology in the constructs of the control system.
*snickers*
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losts of any people are bigoted. what's your fucking point, little boy?
My point is that Lucifer is a hypocrite. She has attacked bigotry and then goes on to defend a group that is probably equally as bigoted as the BNP, if not more so. And what scraps just said.
you attack a whole religion but think others are bigoted?
I am not the one who is defending and attacking bigotory at the same time. Asides a religion is a set of views that people choose to follow, and they can take responsiblity for assigning themselves to that group, equally as much as if someone joins the BNP they can be labelled. Exactly the same thing, except one just happens to be called a religion and apparently makes it ok.
I said lots of muslims are bigoted, not Islam itself (though there is probably plenty of proof in there). The teachings of the religious leaders are equally as important as the actual religious books. The stoning to death of women is in the application of Sharia law. And no I havent got tradition mixed up with religion, although there are plenty of court cases made by muslims who want to wear their wonderful full veils and the like, unfortuantly human rights prevent us to shipping them off to a country more suited to their ideas and bullshit.
this is what you actually said:
even if it is one of the most bigoted religions in the planet
seems clear to me you meant the *religion*. now, let's hear you blame someone or something. bigot.
Attacking a religion doesnt make someone a bigot, see above.
so you DID attack the religion, not just some Muslims? and no, that single statement in itself does not make you a bigot. however, combined with your other posts on the subject, you clearly are one.
Muslims in the UK have made themselves scapegoats through their own actions over the last 5-6 years.
that's what they said about the Jews in Germany before WW2. your hitler avatar is well chosen.
bigot.
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losts of any people are bigoted. what's your fucking point, little boy?
My point is that Lucifer is a hypocrite. She has attacked bigotry and then goes on to defend a group that is probably equally as bigoted as the BNP, if not more so. And what scraps just said.
you attack a whole religion but think others are bigoted?
I am not the one who is defending and attacking bigotory at the same time. Asides a religion is a set of views that people choose to follow, and they can take responsiblity for assigning themselves to that group, equally as much as if someone joins the BNP they can be labelled. Exactly the same thing, except one just happens to be called a religion and apparently makes it ok.
I said lots of muslims are bigoted, not Islam itself (though there is probably plenty of proof in there). The teachings of the religious leaders are equally as important as the actual religious books. The stoning to death of women is in the application of Sharia law. And no I havent got tradition mixed up with religion, although there are plenty of court cases made by muslims who want to wear their wonderful full veils and the like, unfortuantly human rights prevent us to shipping them off to a country more suited to their ideas and bullshit.
this is what you actually said:
even if it is one of the most bigoted religions in the planet
seems clear to me you meant the *religion*. now, let's hear you blame someone or something. bigot.
Attacking a religion doesnt make someone a bigot, see above.
so you DID attack the religion, not just some Muslims? and no, that single statement in itself does not make you a bigot. however, combined with your other posts on the subject, you clearly are one.
Muslims in the UK have made themselves scapegoats through their own actions over the last 5-6 years.
that's what they said about the Jews in Germany before WW2. your hitler avatar is well chosen.
bigot.
I am just stating the facts. Thanks for the history lesson, but 40% of Jews were not trying to turn Germany into a Jewish state were they. Nor were they frequently making speechs complaining about how shit Germany is.
And you are just using the word "bigot" because you have lost the arguement. Now go and run away....
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so you DID attack the religion, not just some Muslims? and no, that single statement in itself does not make you a bigot. however, combined with your other posts on the subject, you clearly are one.
Muslims in the UK have made themselves scapegoats through their own actions over the last 5-6 years.
that's what they said about the Jews in Germany before WW2. your hitler avatar is well chosen.
bigot.
I am just stating the facts. Thanks for the history lesson, but 40% of Jews were not trying to turn Germany into a Jewish state were they. Nor were they frequently making speechs complaining about how shit Germany is.
And you are just using the word "bigot" because you have lost the arguement. Now go and run away....
don't you think that before you claim victory, you should at least present some kind of argument supporting your cause, other than the standard racist bullshit on white supremacy pages?
as i said, the hitler avatar is dead on for you.
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yada, yada, yada. we all know there's shitloads wrong with organised religions, especially when the fundies get going. my point about defending various groups is that lumping "all muslims", "all christians", "all men", "all black people", etc., etc, together is not only bigoted, as one then makes sweeping generalisations about what are, practically by default, extremely heterogenous groups, which i would call bigotry.
yes, people do hideous things in the name of islam, as they do in the name of christianity, hinduism, communism, fascism, new labour, so-called contemporary R&B, and about a squizillion more. i don't defend any of that, but i do defend a disparate group of people from attacks by those who don't actually know what they're talking about, have no real experience of the bigger picture, and are closed-minded about the whole thing (i.e. bigots).
as far as islam is concerned, muslims just happen to be the latest in a long line of scapegoats, and the danger with scapegoating is, obviously, that those doing the scapegoating don't bother to look at themselves to see where their own responsibilities lie, for whatever wrongs they're blaming the others for. of course islamic terrorists are a bunch of dangerous, fanatical wankers. but it's lazy and irresponsible to blame them for everything wrong with the world today.
might help if you'd actually read some of my other posts on the subject properly, hadron, as i'm sure i've said this several times before. ::)
I am making judgements on a collective choice that people have made, and I am sure you would agree with me in saying that people should be held in account for their actions. Just as you are sweepingly attacking people for being a member of the BNP.
As for my research, I have more than done it. Yes there are some muslims who have opened their eyes and modernised, but they are few and far between, the ones who have realised half the religion is not acceptatable in the modern era. Its the ones who follow the mainstream ideas are the problem, given what is said in the Koran. If you take the terrorists aside, there is still a big big problem. Muslims in the UK have made themselves scapegoats through their own actions over the last 5-6 years.
Ditto.
could you possibly make your response pertinent to the quotation. sidestepping and rambling off on another tangent makes you look dozy.
in particular, the bit i've highlighted is completely "wtf?" it's not even relevant to the rest of your witterings.
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could you possibly make your response pertinent to the quotation. sidestepping and rambling off on another tangent makes you look dozy.
it's a nicer explanation than the one i'm inclined to offer. :P
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that's cos you're an evil bastard and i'm a sweet little princess.
er...
:LMAO:
but now i'm agog - do tell me yourresponse. please? :eyelash: :-*
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that's cos you're an evil bastard and i'm a sweet little princess.
er...
:LMAO:
but now i'm agog - do tell me yourresponse. please? :eyelash: :-*
ok, but only because it's you.
i think hadron's replies are like that because they reflect his inner character. or rather, the lack of one. after all, there's a limit to what wikipedia or the daily telegraph can do for you.
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daily mail, my love. :-*
i know, i know - you'd rather cut off your arm than type those words. but be brave. you can do it! i have faith in you! :clap:
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daily...
daily...
daily...
-snip-
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noooooooooooooo! not the hand you use to...
/bites tongue.
whoops. nearly gave it away there. :-[
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since this is the ToM thread, i have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about. :P :eyebrows:
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lol.
braille? :eyelash:
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oh, you have the message in braille? :eyebrows:
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oh yes. :eyelash:
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... but is it lubed?
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yada, yada, yada. we all know there's shitloads wrong with organised religions, especially when the fundies get going. my point about defending various groups is that lumping "all muslims", "all christians", "all men", "all black people", etc., etc, together is not only bigoted, as one then makes sweeping generalisations about what are, practically by default, extremely heterogenous groups, which i would call bigotry.
yes, people do hideous things in the name of islam, as they do in the name of christianity, hinduism, communism, fascism, new labour, so-called contemporary R&B, and about a squizillion more. i don't defend any of that, but i do defend a disparate group of people from attacks by those who don't actually know what they're talking about, have no real experience of the bigger picture, and are closed-minded about the whole thing (i.e. bigots).
as far as islam is concerned, muslims just happen to be the latest in a long line of scapegoats, and the danger with scapegoating is, obviously, that those doing the scapegoating don't bother to look at themselves to see where their own responsibilities lie, for whatever wrongs they're blaming the others for. of course islamic terrorists are a bunch of dangerous, fanatical wankers. but it's lazy and irresponsible to blame them for everything wrong with the world today.
might help if you'd actually read some of my other posts on the subject properly, hadron, as i'm sure i've said this several times before. ::)
I am making judgements on a collective choice that people have made, and I am sure you would agree with me in saying that people should be held in account for their actions. Just as you are sweepingly attacking people for being a member of the BNP.
As for my research, I have more than done it. Yes there are some muslims who have opened their eyes and modernised, but they are few and far between, the ones who have realised half the religion is not acceptatable in the modern era. Its the ones who follow the mainstream ideas are the problem, given what is said in the Koran. If you take the terrorists aside, there is still a big big problem. Muslims in the UK have made themselves scapegoats through their own actions over the last 5-6 years.
Ditto.
could you possibly make your response pertinent to the quotation. sidestepping and rambling off on another tangent makes you look dozy.
in particular, the bit i've highlighted is completely "wtf?" it's not even relevant to the rest of your witterings.
Simple, you are attacking people for being in a group they choose to be in (the BNP), where as you are calling me a bigot for doing exactly the samething with Muslims (people do make the choice to become a member of the religion, surprisingly) . Just because someones choices and ideals are in line with a religion doesnt mean they are any more acceptable than if they are not.
As for my tangent, it was a course correction from your tangent. And I suggest you stop the ad hominem attacks, I am getting bored of them.
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:yawn:
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Simple, you are attacking people for being in a group they choose to be in (the BNP), where as you are calling me a bigot for doing exactly the samething with Muslims (people do make the choice to become a member of the religion, surprisingly) . Just because someones choices and ideals are in line with a religion doesnt mean they are any more acceptable than if they are not.
As for my tangent, it was a course correction from your tangent. And I suggest you stop the ad hominem attacks, I am getting bored of them.
it's "bored with" for crying out loud. and nicking mordok's ad hominem is just too hysterical for words, apart from the fact that you're using it incorrectly - go back and check his explanation.
nothing else you say in this drivel is relevant. as usual, you're extrapolating what i've said, adding in a load of any old similar-sounding shite, and wandering off with the fairies. check back and see if i actually said any of that which you claim. i think you'll find you might need to read things, rather than read into them. ::)
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Simple, you are attacking people for being in a group they choose to be in (the BNP), where as you are calling me a bigot for doing exactly the samething with Muslims (people do make the choice to become a member of the religion, surprisingly) . Just because someones choices and ideals are in line with a religion doesnt mean they are any more acceptable than if they are not.
As for my tangent, it was a course correction from your tangent. And I suggest you stop the ad hominem attacks, I am getting bored of them.
it's "bored with" for crying out loud. and nicking mordok's ad hominem is just too hysterical for words, apart from the fact that you're using it incorrectly - go back and check his explanation.
nothing else you say in this drivel is relevant. as usual, you're extrapolating what i've said, adding in a load of any old similar-sounding shite, and wandering off with the fairies. check back and see if i actually said any of that which you claim. i think you'll find you might need to read things, rather than read into them. ::)
:yawn: Havent you ran out of breath yet, you seem to be doing an awful lot of trying to give me the run around. You have lost, now face it.
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Simple, you are attacking people for being in a group they choose to be in (the BNP), where as you are calling me a bigot for doing exactly the samething with Muslims (people do make the choice to become a member of the religion, surprisingly) . Just because someones choices and ideals are in line with a religion doesnt mean they are any more acceptable than if they are not.
As for my tangent, it was a course correction from your tangent. And I suggest you stop the ad hominem attacks, I am getting bored of them.
it's "bored with" for crying out loud. and nicking mordok's ad hominem is just too hysterical for words, apart from the fact that you're using it incorrectly - go back and check his explanation.
nothing else you say in this drivel is relevant. as usual, you're extrapolating what i've said, adding in a load of any old similar-sounding shite, and wandering off with the fairies. check back and see if i actually said any of that which you claim. i think you'll find you might need to read things, rather than read into them. ::)
:yawn: Havent you ran out of breath yet, you seem to be doing an awful lot of trying to give me the run around. You have lost, now face it.
:rofl:
that's actually quite funny.
Im going to have to + ahayes now.
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What are we arguing about in this thread btw.
Does anybody know ?
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What are we arguing about in this thread btw.
Does anybody know ?
No idea. :laugh:
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What are we arguing about in this thread btw.
Does anybody know ?
Lucifer calling me a bigot and then defending Muslims.
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i think hadron's replies are like that because they reflect his inner character. or rather, the lack of one.
An interesting point. But one can grow.
I know that y'all have given up on the age
issue, but honestly, it takes some of us a
long time to settle on what is right.
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What are we arguing about in this thread btw.
Does anybody know ?
Lucifer calling me a bigot and then defending Muslims.
But, she seems to have DONE these things.
What's there to argue about?
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so you DID attack the religion, not just some Muslims? and no, that single statement in itself does not make you a bigot. however, combined with your other posts on the subject, you clearly are one.
Muslims in the UK have made themselves scapegoats through their own actions over the last 5-6 years.
that's what they said about the Jews in Germany before WW2. your hitler avatar is well chosen.
bigot.
I am just stating the facts. Thanks for the history lesson, but 40% of Jews were not trying to turn Germany into a Jewish state were they. Nor were they frequently making speechs complaining about how shit Germany is.
And you are just using the word "bigot" because you have lost the arguement. Now go and run away....
don't you think that before you claim victory, you should at least present some kind of argument supporting your cause, other than the standard racist bullshit on white supremacy pages?
as i said, the hitler avatar is dead on for you.
Lets start with Abu Hamza who has been preaching for years, this is what he has to say:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,1704312,00.html
And watch Newsnight, thats a good source.
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What are we arguing about in this thread btw.
Does anybody know ?
Lucifer calling me a bigot and then defending Muslims.
But, she seems to have DONE these things.
What's there to argue about?
The fact it makes her a hypocrite. A shameless one too, it seems.
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What are we arguing about in this thread btw.
Does anybody know ?
Lucifer calling me a bigot and then defending Muslims.
But, she seems to have DONE these things.
What's there to argue about?
The fact it makes her a hypocrite. A shameless one too, it seems.
I don't see that. I could call you pretentious,
even though I am, without being hypocritical.
Moreover, defending a bigoted group doesn't
make one a bigot, per say.
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What are we arguing about in this thread btw.
Does anybody know ?
Lucifer calling me a bigot and then defending Muslims.
But, she seems to have DONE these things.
What's there to argue about?
The fact it makes her a hypocrite. A shameless one too, it seems.
I don't see that. I could call you pretentious,
even though I am, without being hypocritical.
Moreover, defending a bigoted group doesn't
make one a bigot, per say.
Accusing me of being a bigot for attacking muslims is a bit unfair though. Given some aspects of the religion are worse than most nazis.
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What are we arguing about in this thread btw.
Does anybody know ?
Lucifer calling me a bigot and then defending Muslims.
But, she seems to have DONE these things.
What's there to argue about?
The fact it makes her a hypocrite. A shameless one too, it seems.
I don't see that. I could call you pretentious,
even though I am, without being hypocritical.
Moreover, defending a bigoted group doesn't
make one a bigot, per say.
Well put. I would add that the reasons for said defense also are worth considering.
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What are we arguing about in this thread btw.
Does anybody know ?
Lucifer calling me a bigot and then defending Muslims.
But, she seems to have DONE these things.
What's there to argue about?
The fact it makes her a hypocrite. A shameless one too, it seems.
I don't see that. I could call you pretentious,
even though I am, without being hypocritical.
Moreover, defending a bigoted group doesn't
make one a bigot, per say.
Accusing me of being a bigot for attacking muslims is a bit unfair though. Given some aspects of the religion are worse than most nazis.
Godwin's law -- you just lost the thread.
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Accusing me of being a bigot for attacking muslims is a bit unfair though. Given some aspects of the religion are worse than most nazis.
Are you bigoted against Nazis too? :o
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Accusing me of being a bigot for attacking muslims is a bit unfair though. Given some aspects of the religion are worse than most nazis.
Are you bigoted against Nazis too? :o
I tend not to agree with them, i just see them as hopelessly misguided. The same as I see religious people.
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Accusing me of being a bigot for attacking muslims is a bit unfair though. Given some aspects of the religion are worse than most nazis.
Are you bigoted against Nazis too? :o
I tend not to agree with them, i just see them as hopelessly misguided. The same as I see religious people.
They're really playful bundles of joy.
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What are we arguing about in this thread btw.
Does anybody know ?
Lucifer calling me a bigot and then defending Muslims.
But, she seems to have DONE these things.
What's there to argue about?
The fact it makes her a hypocrite. A shameless one too, it seems.
Moreover, defending a bigoted group doesn't
make one a bigot, per say.
True, per se.
:plus:
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Simple, you are attacking people for being in a group they choose to be in (the BNP), where as you are calling me a bigot for doing exactly the samething with Muslims (people do make the choice to become a member of the religion, surprisingly) . Just because someones choices and ideals are in line with a religion doesnt mean they are any more acceptable than if they are not.
As for my tangent, it was a course correction from your tangent. And I suggest you stop the ad hominem attacks, I am getting bored of them.
it's "bored with" for crying out loud. and nicking mordok's ad hominem is just too hysterical for words, apart from the fact that you're using it incorrectly - go back and check his explanation.
nothing else you say in this drivel is relevant. as usual, you're extrapolating what i've said, adding in a load of any old similar-sounding shite, and wandering off with the fairies. check back and see if i actually said any of that which you claim. i think you'll find you might need to read things, rather than read into them. ::)
:yawn: Havent you ran out of breath yet, you seem to be doing an awful lot of trying to give me the run around. You have lost, now face it.
:LMAO:
you are mental, you daft creature! lost what? was there some sort of competition going on?
ladles and jellyspoons, welcome to Hadron's World of the Strange.
this is becoming like the Twilight Zone - random utterings from completely out of leftfield. marvellous! if you weren't a karma coward, i'd plus you.
:LMAO:
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i think there should be a law for it when Hardon and pals accuse us of cliqueing.
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Aw geeze, I'm relegated to pal now?
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yeah.
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Aw geeze, I'm relegated to pal now?
Even worse - just one of the pals with no name.
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i think there should be a law for it when Hardon and pals accuse us of cliqueing.
Thanks to you, we have two new smilies for it, anyway.
:brickwall:
:bangbang:
:plus:
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:laugh:
:-*
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i think hadron's replies are like that because they reflect his inner character. or rather, the lack of one.
An interesting point. But one can grow.
I know that y'all have given up on the age
issue, but honestly, it takes some of us a
long time to settle on what is right.
i used to blame his age. i don't anymore.
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so you DID attack the religion, not just some Muslims? and no, that single statement in itself does not make you a bigot. however, combined with your other posts on the subject, you clearly are one.
Muslims in the UK have made themselves scapegoats through their own actions over the last 5-6 years.
that's what they said about the Jews in Germany before WW2. your hitler avatar is well chosen.
bigot.
I am just stating the facts. Thanks for the history lesson, but 40% of Jews were not trying to turn Germany into a Jewish state were they. Nor were they frequently making speechs complaining about how shit Germany is.
And you are just using the word "bigot" because you have lost the arguement. Now go and run away....
don't you think that before you claim victory, you should at least present some kind of argument supporting your cause, other than the standard racist bullshit on white supremacy pages?
as i said, the hitler avatar is dead on for you.
Lets start with Abu Hamza who has been preaching for years, this is what he has to say:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,1704312,00.html
And watch Newsnight, thats a good source.
That article is not an argument, it is about a single man, most likely a nutcase. Or are you saying that "they're all like him"?
As for Newsnight, should I point you on to some Swedish TV show for a counter "argument" now, or what?
Next. ::)
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What are we arguing about in this thread btw.
Does anybody know ?
Lucifer calling me a bigot and then defending Muslims.
But, she seems to have DONE these things.
What's there to argue about?
The fact it makes her a hypocrite. A shameless one too, it seems.
I don't see that. I could call you pretentious,
even though I am, without being hypocritical.
Moreover, defending a bigoted group doesn't
make one a bigot, per say.
Accusing me of being a bigot for attacking muslims is a bit unfair though. Given some aspects of the religion are worse than most nazis.
explain to us, oh enlightened one. ::)
bigot.
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i think there should be a law for it when Hardon and pals accuse us of cliqueing.
Thanks to you, we have two new smilies for it, anyway.
:brickwall:
:bangbang:
:plus:
:LMAO:
:plus:
(and :plus: to Milla and DD, too)
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plus to you too. :green:
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i used to blame his age. i don't anymore.
Yeah, I know. But it's not just age. It's
experience. This is a time when one is
still forming opinions. And absolutely
certain.
At least for some. Doesn't mean you
have to be nice though. That would
only encourage what you see as wrong.
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As for my MO, do you seriously expect me to have done stacks of research before making every post?
Only if you're going to state something as a blanket fact. If you'd tack on an "in my experience" or "in my opinion", I don't think people would jump on you quite so much.
I like Kiriana's comment here.
Presenting your experiences as facts puts people off and if you keep doing it, in future you may be ignored because no one will believe you.
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As for my MO, do you seriously expect me to have done stacks of research before making every post?
Only if you're going to state something as a blanket fact. If you'd tack on an "in my experience" or "in my opinion", I don't think people would jump on you quite so much.
I like Kiriana's comment here.
Presenting your experiences as facts puts people off and if you keep doing it, in future you may be ignored because no one will believe you.
While what she said may have truth in it, the first business is to straighten out one's opinions.
No one, but a bigot, wants to see bigoted opinions promoted. I know that he has only skirted the edges of bigotry, because he doesn't know better, but when you have spent your whole life trying to rise above and reject all the bigotry we encounter, any allowance for the notions seems like a backturn.
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As for my MO, do you seriously expect me to have done stacks of research before making every post?
Only if you're going to state something as a blanket fact. If you'd tack on an "in my experience" or "in my opinion", I don't think people would jump on you quite so much.
I like Kiriana's comment here.
Presenting your experiences as facts puts people off and if you keep doing it, in future you may be ignored because no one will believe you.
While what she said may have truth in it, the first business is to straighten out one's opinions.
No one, but a bigot, wants to see bigoted opinions promoted. I know that he has only skirted the edges of bigotry, because he doesn't know better, but when you have spent your whole life trying to rise above and reject all the bigotry we encounter, any allowance for the notions seems like a backturn.
Yep, I don't disagree with you at all. Whether it's presented as fact or opinion, bigotry ought to be pointed out so it can be examined and hopefully discarded. I think my point was more in reference to why people were picking apart his arguements on a consistent basis rather than just specific to this topic.
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As for my MO, do you seriously expect me to have done stacks of research before making every post?
Only if you're going to state something as a blanket fact. If you'd tack on an "in my experience" or "in my opinion", I don't think people would jump on you quite so much.
I like Kiriana's comment here.
Presenting your experiences as facts puts people off and if you keep doing it, in future you may be ignored because no one will believe you.
While what she said may have truth in it, the first business is to straighten out one's opinions.
No one, but a bigot, wants to see bigoted opinions promoted. I know that he has only skirted the edges of bigotry, because he doesn't know better, but when you have spent your whole life trying to rise above and reject all the bigotry we encounter, any allowance for the notions seems like a backturn.
Yep, I don't disagree with you at all. Whether it's presented as fact or opinion, bigotry ought to be pointed out so it can be examined and hopefully discarded. I think my point was more in reference to why people were picking apart his arguements on a consistent basis rather than just specific to this topic.
Yes, of course.
I meant my comment to be taken as a constructive criticism of our young friend. I have tried other approaches as well. It is so easy to overlook and miss how subtle that hate and bigotry actually are and they can easily to creep back into our lives, if we do not remain vigilant to prevent this. There is no "click" solution to avoiding bigotry, it is a lifelong process that each one must choose, if it is to be controlled. It can not be eliminated.
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As for my MO, do you seriously expect me to have done stacks of research before making every post?
Only if you're going to state something as a blanket fact. If you'd tack on an "in my experience" or "in my opinion", I don't think people would jump on you quite so much.
I like Kiriana's comment here.
Presenting your experiences as facts puts people off and if you keep doing it, in future you may be ignored because no one will believe you.
While what she said may have truth in it, the first business is to straighten out one's opinions.
No one, but a bigot, wants to see bigoted opinions promoted. I know that he has only skirted the edges of bigotry, because he doesn't know better, but when you have spent your whole life trying to rise above and reject all the bigotry we encounter, any allowance for the notions seems like a backturn.
Yep, I don't disagree with you at all. Whether it's presented as fact or opinion, bigotry ought to be pointed out so it can be examined and hopefully discarded. I think my point was more in reference to why people were picking apart his arguements on a consistent basis rather than just specific to this topic.
Yes, of course.
I meant my comment to be taken as a constructive criticism of our young friend. I have tried other approaches as well. It is so easy to overlook and miss how subtle that hate and bigotry actually are and they can easily to creep back into our lives, if we do not remain vigilant to prevent this. There is no "click" solution to avoiding bigotry, it is a lifelong process that each one must choose, if it is to be controlled. It can not be eliminated.
Right, it's the subtlety that gets so many people. I've really just started examining this in the past couple years and I've been amazed at stuff that I've learned. Five years ago, I'd have said "no way am I a bigot!", because I didn't use racial slurs or cross the street when seeing someone of a different ethnicity. But when you really look at it, there's so much more to it than that.
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:plus: to you both.
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:plus: to you both.
:plus: for you both for trying to understand the ramblings of someone quite past his prime.
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:plus: to you both.
:plus: for you both for trying to understand the ramblings of someone quite past his prime.
Wisdom is usually gained through age.
Another :plus:
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:plus: to everyone - huzzah!
:laugh:
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:plus:
i guess if i want to remain in the clique i have to go along.
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:laugh:
OK, but who's the leader?
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:laugh:
OK, but who's the leader?
if i had to think about this logically i would say PI. but the truth is, there is no leader. just like minded discussion thwarters.
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:laugh:
OK, but who's the leader?
if i had to think about this logically i would say PI. but the truth is, there is no leader. just like minded discussion thwarters.
You're only suggesting its me because you don't want everyone to know the real truth- you bribe everyone to agree with you with sexual favours :eyebrows:
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:laugh:
OK, but who's the leader?
if i had to think about this logically i would say PI. but the truth is, there is no leader. just like minded discussion thwarters.
You're only suggesting its me because you don't want everyone to know the real truth- you bribe everyone to agree with you with sexual favours :eyebrows:
i am just a worker bee.
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That's what you want us all to think :o
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That's what you want us all to think :o
damn you're good. almost had me that time.
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That's what you want us all to think :o
damn you're good. almost had me that time.
You're a sly one aren't you? :laugh:
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That's what you want us all to think :o
damn you're good. almost had me that time.
You're a sly one aren't you? :laugh:
the fox calling the hen sly. how ironic.
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We all know who has their finger in the most (hair?) pies around here, and it ain't me :P
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We all know who has their finger in the most (hair?) pies around here, and it ain't me :P
what about the boys? who has the boys atention?
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We all know who has their finger in the most (hair?) pies around here, and it ain't me :P
what about the boys? who has the boys atention?
Judging by recent posts, you do- Mcbicurious :laugh:
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As for my MO, do you seriously expect me to have done stacks of research before making every post?
Only if you're going to state something as a blanket fact. If you'd tack on an "in my experience" or "in my opinion", I don't think people would jump on you quite so much.
I like Kiriana's comment here.
Presenting your experiences as facts puts people off and if you keep doing it, in future you may be ignored because no one will believe you.
While what she said may have truth in it, the first business is to straighten out one's opinions.
No one, but a bigot, wants to see bigoted opinions promoted. I know that he has only skirted the edges of bigotry, because he doesn't know better, but when you have spent your whole life trying to rise above and reject all the bigotry we encounter, any allowance for the notions seems like a backturn.
Yep, I don't disagree with you at all. Whether it's presented as fact or opinion, bigotry ought to be pointed out so it can be examined and hopefully discarded. I think my point was more in reference to why people were picking apart his arguements on a consistent basis rather than just specific to this topic.
Yes, of course.
I meant my comment to be taken as a constructive criticism of our young friend. I have tried other approaches as well. It is so easy to overlook and miss how subtle that hate and bigotry actually are and they can easily to creep back into our lives, if we do not remain vigilant to prevent this. There is no "click" solution to avoiding bigotry, it is a lifelong process that each one must choose, if it is to be controlled. It can not be eliminated.
Thats why I do my utmost to judge people on their choices actions, rather than who they were born as. I think there was a study mentioned in NS that implied that racism was actually part of human nature, or instincts.
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OK, but who's the leader?
if i had to think about this logically i would say PI. but the truth is, there is no leader. just like minded discussion thwarters.
You're only suggesting its me because you don't want everyone to know the real truth- you bribe everyone to agree with you with sexual favours :eyebrows:
he's never tried to bribe me with sexual favours. have i done something wrong? ???
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:laugh:
OK, but who's the leader?
if i had to think about this logically i would say PI. but the truth is, there is no leader. just like minded discussion thwarters.
You're only suggesting its me because you don't want everyone to know the real truth- you bribe everyone to agree with you with sexual favours :eyebrows:
he's never tried to bribe me with sexual favours. have i done something wrong? ???
:yikes: does that mean you're the real leader of the super clique?? ;)
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:laugh:
OK, but who's the leader?
if i had to think about this logically i would say PI. but the truth is, there is no leader. just like minded discussion thwarters.
You're only suggesting its me because you don't want everyone to know the real truth- you bribe everyone to agree with you with sexual favours :eyebrows:
he's never tried to bribe me with sexual favours. have i done something wrong? ???
he'd better not. :grrr:
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:laugh:
OK, but who's the leader?
if i had to think about this logically i would say PI. but the truth is, there is no leader. just like minded discussion thwarters.
You're only suggesting its me because you don't want everyone to know the real truth- you bribe everyone to agree with you with sexual favours :eyebrows:
he's never tried to bribe me with sexual favours. have i done something wrong? ???
:yikes: does that mean you're the real leader of the super clique?? ;)
er...
can i get back to you on that one?
:laugh:
(i thought i smelled, or something. ;D ).
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:laugh:
OK, but who's the leader?
if i had to think about this logically i would say PI. but the truth is, there is no leader. just like minded discussion thwarters.
You're only suggesting its me because you don't want everyone to know the real truth- you bribe everyone to agree with you with sexual favours :eyebrows:
he's never tried to bribe me with sexual favours. have i done something wrong? ???
he'd better not. :grrr:
oooooooooooh! i love it when you're all butch and testosterone! :heart:
my hero! :eyelash:
:-*
(does that mean you're going to offer me sexual favours? :drool: ).
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:laugh:
OK, but who's the leader?
if i had to think about this logically i would say PI. but the truth is, there is no leader. just like minded discussion thwarters.
You're only suggesting its me because you don't want everyone to know the real truth- you bribe everyone to agree with you with sexual favours :eyebrows:
he's never tried to bribe me with sexual favours. have i done something wrong? ???
he'd better not. :grrr:
oooooooooooh! i love it when you're all butch and testosterone! :heart:
my hero! :eyelash:
:-*
(does that mean you're going to offer me sexual favours? :drool: ).
okyoutalkedmeintoit.
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foom? :woohoo:
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:woohoo:
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You two make me smile :plus: to both of ya. :)
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what, cos us two ol' crumblies keep pretending we've still got a sex drive?
:LMAO:
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Pretending my arse. :laugh:
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:angel:
well, if you said it was going to be about your arse... :-*
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what, cos us two ol' crumblies keep pretending we've still got a sex drive?
:LMAO:
hand me my cane and we'll show her a thing or two. :eyebrows:
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what, cos us two ol' crumblies keep pretending we've still got a sex drive?
:LMAO:
hand me my cane and we'll show her a thing or two. :eyebrows:
i can't - it's tangled up in my zimmer frame and cardi. :'(
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:LMAO:
but... move just a little, anyway. you're standing on the oxygen line.
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shit. i wondered why your blue balls seemed to have got as far as your face. soz. :(
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we can still show them youngsters a thing or two, right? :eyebrows:
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:LMAO:
but... move just a little, anyway. you're standing on the oxygen line.
:LMAO:
Oh no.
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we can still show them youngsters a thing or two, right? :eyebrows:
well, one thing. i'm not sure about yours now, my love - i think i may have mistaken it for the oxygen line. :(
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:LMAO:
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we can still show them youngsters a thing or two, right? :eyebrows:
well, one thing. i'm not sure about yours now, my love - i think i may have mistaken it for the oxygen line. :(
Breathe deeper. It will be fine.
:angel:
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:laugh:
OK, but who's the leader?
if i had to think about this logically i would say PI. but the truth is, there is no leader. just like minded discussion thwarters.
You're only suggesting its me because you don't want everyone to know the real truth- you bribe everyone to agree with you with sexual favours :eyebrows:
he's never tried to bribe me with sexual favours. have i done something wrong? ???
he'd better not. :grrr:
odeon, you are the reason i have never hit on lucifer. you are my master.
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We all know who has their finger in the most (hair?) pies around here, and it ain't me :P
what about the boys? who has the boys atention?
Judging by recent posts, you do- Mcbicurious :laugh:
i forgot about my recent successes.
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:laugh:
OK, but who's the leader?
if i had to think about this logically i would say PI. but the truth is, there is no leader. just like minded discussion thwarters.
You're only suggesting its me because you don't want everyone to know the real truth- you bribe everyone to agree with you with sexual favours :eyebrows:
he's never tried to bribe me with sexual favours. have i done something wrong? ???
he'd better not. :grrr:
odeon, you are the reason i have never hit on lucifer. you are my master.
ooooooh! my mind control lessons must be working, then. :eyebrows: >:D
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:laugh:
OK, but who's the leader?
if i had to think about this logically i would say PI. but the truth is, there is no leader. just like minded discussion thwarters.
You're only suggesting its me because you don't want everyone to know the real truth- you bribe everyone to agree with you with sexual favours :eyebrows:
he's never tried to bribe me with sexual favours. have i done something wrong? ???
he'd better not. :grrr:
odeon, you are the reason i have never hit on lucifer. you are my master.
ooooooh! my mind control lessons must be working, then. :eyebrows: >:D
maybe odeon is the leader...the common bond.
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that is for me to know and you to find out. :P
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that is for me to know and you to find out. :P
no need for me to find out. i am happy to follow blindly. 8)
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that is for me to know and you to find out. :P
no need for me to find out. i am happy to follow blindly. 8)
excellent. now go get me a beer.
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that is for me to know and you to find out. :P
no need for me to find out. i am happy to follow blindly. 8)
excellent. now go get me a beer.
hey, i aint your bitch! ;D
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that is for me to know and you to find out. :P
no need for me to find out. i am happy to follow blindly. 8)
excellent. now go get me a beer.
hey, i aint your bitch! ;D
who cares? go get me a beer. :P
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that is for me to know and you to find out. :P
no need for me to find out. i am happy to follow blindly. 8)
excellent. now go get me a beer.
hey, i aint your bitch! ;D
who cares? go get me a beer. :P
get me an iced tea. >:D
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that is for me to know and you to find out. :P
no need for me to find out. i am happy to follow blindly. 8)
excellent. now go get me a beer.
hey, i aint your bitch! ;D
who cares? go get me a beer. :P
:LMAO:
i :heart: you when you're all dom. want to order me about? (again...) :eyebrows:
:-*
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the subs these days... no discipline at all. :P :whip:
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sorry, O-Master!
:worship:
/grovels, creeps and generally subs. :eyelash:
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sorry, O-Master!
:worship:
/grovels, creeps and generally subs. :eyelash:
you've been behaving well. i was referring to McJ. ;D
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how many sodding subs do you want, greedy sod?!
right. that's it. i'm off.
/sulks
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McJ said he wanted to follow blindly. i told him to get me a beer but he couldn't even do that. he's not my sub, thankfully. :-*
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hurumph. well, okay then.
should i get back to grovelling now? :angel:
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i have a couple of better ideas. :eyebrows:
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bit of a slow night tonight, then? i mean, only two?
8)
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but they're well planned. ;D
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foom, then, quick! before your alzheimer's settles in for the night. :P
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sorry, O-Master!
:worship:
/grovels, creeps and generally subs. :eyelash:
you've been behaving well. i was referring to McJ. ;D
i am in desperate need of a punishing.
please?
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sorry, O-Master!
:worship:
/grovels, creeps and generally subs. :eyelash:
you've been behaving well. i was referring to McJ. ;D
i am in desperate need of a punishing.
please?
slap you all over? sorry, but i can't be arsed. i already have an obedient sub.
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yes, very obedient. :eyelash: