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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Teejay on May 23, 2007, 05:30:29 PM

Title: John Howard
Post by: Teejay on May 23, 2007, 05:30:29 PM
Howard has been a good Prime Minister for Australia, not a great one. Namely he restored people’s faith in the immigration system; I remember a time when people wanted to completely stop further immigration all together. Some of things he did like indefinitely detaining boat people on places like Christmas Island and Nauru even I have to wonder about the morality, why did not the government just escort the boats back to where they came from like Indonesia and Malaysia.

He could done a lot more to cut taxes and cutting spending (like strip the ABC of it's funds would be a good start), instead of spending shitloads of money to get re-elected. Plus his workplace relations reform does little to actually creating jobs and getting the people who wants jobs, jobs, more an excuse to beat up the union movement.

His government’s foreign policy has been generally good with supporting the overthrow of Saddam Hussein and the government has done a lot in fighting Islamist terrorist organizations domestically.
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: duncvis on May 23, 2007, 05:44:25 PM
I guess you're less of a right winger than you thought eh?
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: purposefulinsanity on May 23, 2007, 05:45:24 PM
Sorry I don't know enough about Australian politics to be able to vote on this thread.
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: Calandale on May 23, 2007, 05:50:15 PM
Same here. But I know that a lot of people seem to
have pretty big gripes against him. Largely for being
a Bush puppet too.
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: McGiver on May 23, 2007, 07:02:27 PM
weren't his ancestors criminals?
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: Calandale on May 23, 2007, 07:03:08 PM
Aren't everyones?
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: odeon on May 24, 2007, 01:44:20 PM
His government’s foreign policy has been generally good with supporting the overthrow of Saddam Hussein and the government has done a lot in fighting Islamist terrorist organizations domestically.


You actually have domestic Islamist terrorist organizations, or is that just something they say?
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: Teejay on May 24, 2007, 04:30:44 PM
You actually have domestic Islamist terrorist organizations, or is that just something they say?

I do not think our intelligence agenices are lying. It is due to their work they have not committed any acts of terrorism so far.
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: Calandale on May 24, 2007, 04:36:52 PM
You actually have domestic Islamist terrorist organizations, or is that just something they say?

I do not think our intelligence agenices are lying. It is due to their work they have not committed any acts of terrorism so far.

Isn't that a major part of their purpose?
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: odeon on May 25, 2007, 02:07:28 AM
You actually have domestic Islamist terrorist organizations, or is that just something they say?

I do not think our intelligence agenices are lying. It is due to their work they have not committed any acts of terrorism so far.

"Intelligence" is a word best not used in these cases. But maybe Australia's is an exception?
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: Eclair on May 25, 2007, 05:20:19 AM
You actually have domestic Islamist terrorist organizations, or is that just something they say?

I do not think our intelligence agenices are lying. It is due to their work they have not committed any acts of terrorism so far.

"Intelligence" is a word best not used in these cases. But maybe Australia's is an exception?
Trust me, intelligence organisations here are switched on to a whole heap of shit.  Don't forget you guys had our ASIO guys working for you in IRAQ...says something.
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: odeon on May 25, 2007, 05:20:57 AM
You actually have domestic Islamist terrorist organizations, or is that just something they say?

I do not think our intelligence agenices are lying. It is due to their work they have not committed any acts of terrorism so far.

"Intelligence" is a word best not used in these cases. But maybe Australia's is an exception?
Trust me, intelligence organisations here are switched on to a whole heap of shit.  Don't forget you guys had our ASIO guys working for you in IRAQ...says something.

We?

As in Sweden? ???
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: Eclair on May 25, 2007, 05:28:09 AM
You actually have domestic Islamist terrorist organizations, or is that just something they say?

I do not think our intelligence agenices are lying. It is due to their work they have not committed any acts of terrorism so far.

"Intelligence" is a word best not used in these cases. But maybe Australia's is an exception?
Trust me, intelligence organisations here are switched on to a whole heap of shit.  Don't forget you guys had our ASIO guys working for you in IRAQ...says something.

We?

As in Sweden? ???
I'm not in this universe tonight...thought you were in the US for some reason.
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: odeon on May 25, 2007, 11:28:43 AM
You actually have domestic Islamist terrorist organizations, or is that just something they say?

I do not think our intelligence agenices are lying. It is due to their work they have not committed any acts of terrorism so far.

"Intelligence" is a word best not used in these cases. But maybe Australia's is an exception?
Trust me, intelligence organisations here are switched on to a whole heap of shit.  Don't forget you guys had our ASIO guys working for you in IRAQ...says something.

We?

As in Sweden? ???
I'm not in this universe tonight...thought you were in the US for some reason.

:laugh: 's OK. I figured as much.
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: vodz on June 08, 2007, 03:56:52 AM
Howard made me the lefty I am today.

On employment :-

So, we have the lowest unemployment figures since 1970-something.
If you worked 2hrs in the last fortnight, you are employed.
With the new workplace agreements, people's contracts have basically been ripped up and working hours have suffered. So, more people have jobs, but are working less hours.

It's a good way to get people off welfare. Just make them almost unemployed.
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: Eclair on June 08, 2007, 05:01:36 AM
Howard made me the lefty I am today.

On employment :-

So, we have the lowest unemployment figures since 1970-something.
If you worked 2hrs in the last fortnight, you are employed.
With the new workplace agreements, people's contracts have basically been ripped up and working hours have suffered. So, more people have jobs, but are working less hours.

It's a good way to get people off welfare. Just make them almost unemployed.
Well, you are obviously an Australian.  Who has been the best Prime Minister so far then?
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: vodz on June 08, 2007, 05:15:27 AM
Howard made me the lefty I am today.

On employment :-

So, we have the lowest unemployment figures since 1970-something.
If you worked 2hrs in the last fortnight, you are employed.
With the new workplace agreements, people's contracts have basically been ripped up and working hours have suffered. So, more people have jobs, but are working less hours.

It's a good way to get people off welfare. Just make them almost unemployed.
Well, you are obviously an Australian.  Who has been the best Prime Minister so far then?
Gough Whitlam  :green:
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: Eclair on June 08, 2007, 05:16:26 AM
Howard made me the lefty I am today.

On employment :-

So, we have the lowest unemployment figures since 1970-something.
If you worked 2hrs in the last fortnight, you are employed.
With the new workplace agreements, people's contracts have basically been ripped up and working hours have suffered. So, more people have jobs, but are working less hours.

It's a good way to get people off welfare. Just make them almost unemployed.
Well, you are obviously an Australian.  Who has been the best Prime Minister so far then?
Gough Whitlam  :green:
You took the easy answer.  What about PK?
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: vodz on June 08, 2007, 05:24:30 AM
Howard made me the lefty I am today.

On employment :-

So, we have the lowest unemployment figures since 1970-something.
If you worked 2hrs in the last fortnight, you are employed.
With the new workplace agreements, people's contracts have basically been ripped up and working hours have suffered. So, more people have jobs, but are working less hours.

It's a good way to get people off welfare. Just make them almost unemployed.
Well, you are obviously an Australian.  Who has been the best Prime Minister so far then?
Gough Whitlam  :green:
You took the easy answer.  What about PK?
I preferred crying Bob.
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: Eclair on June 08, 2007, 05:26:18 AM
Howard made me the lefty I am today.

On employment :-

So, we have the lowest unemployment figures since 1970-something.
If you worked 2hrs in the last fortnight, you are employed.
With the new workplace agreements, people's contracts have basically been ripped up and working hours have suffered. So, more people have jobs, but are working less hours.

It's a good way to get people off welfare. Just make them almost unemployed.
Well, you are obviously an Australian.  Who has been the best Prime Minister so far then?
Gough Whitlam  :green:
You took the easy answer.  What about PK?
I preferred crying Bob.
I liked PK because he was a sarcastic bastard.
Bob was good. Granted.
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: Teejay on June 08, 2007, 06:11:33 AM
Gough Whitlam was simply awful, even after the governor-general sacked him, Labor got well and truly thrashed at the following election. I have to admit Bob Hawke as PM and Keating as treasurer made a good team.
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: Eclair on June 08, 2007, 06:21:52 AM
Gough Whitlam was simply awful, even after the governor-general sacked him, Labor got well and truly thrashed at the following election. I have to admit Bob Hawke as PM and Keating as treasurer made a good team.
PK was holding him up, was all.  That's why Bobby looked so good.
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: McGiver on June 08, 2007, 07:36:47 AM
Howard made me the lefty I am today.

On employment :-

So, we have the lowest unemployment figures since 1970-something.
If you worked 2hrs in the last fortnight, you are employed.
With the new workplace agreements, people's contracts have basically been ripped up and working hours have suffered. So, more people have jobs, but are working less hours.

It's a good way to get people off welfare. Just make them almost unemployed.
yeah for service sector job which pays minimum wage, no benefits no retirement.

thatk you politicians for lowering the unemployment rate with all these crappy service type jobs.
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: vodz on November 02, 2007, 07:31:00 PM
So the election is held on the 24th of this month.

Will we finally be rid of this hairy ballsack?

My vote is going to Greens or Reds, haven't decided yet.
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: renaeden on November 05, 2007, 10:32:11 PM
I don't want to vote Labor in. That will mean the balance is tipped, the whole country will be Labor. One of them said that once they are in, they will change everything that they promised before the election.

I am stuck on knowing who to vote for. ???
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: GalileoAce on November 05, 2007, 10:38:28 PM
Howard's been a reasonably ok PM for the last 10 or so years...FUCK. 10 years!? Yeah, time to get him out of office. Good or not, there's such a thing as a 'good change'. I think the Liberals need to be the opposition for a while.
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: enronh on November 06, 2007, 03:36:04 AM
 ;D (http://node02-pcdn.spikedhumor.com/91202_i_m_with_stupid_2.jpg)
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: Eclair on November 06, 2007, 04:11:46 AM
I don't want to vote Labor in. That will mean the balance is tipped, the whole country will be Labor. One of them said that once they are in, they will change everything that they promised before the election.

I am stuck on knowing who to vote for. ???

Are you opposed to labour?
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: vodz on November 06, 2007, 07:54:30 AM
I don't want to vote Labor in. That will mean the balance is tipped, the whole country will be Labor. One of them said that once they are in, they will change everything that they promised before the election.

I am stuck on knowing who to vote for. ???

I don't think having state and federal Labor governments will change much, the states don't always agree on things as it is, and the current state and federal governments work pretty well together.

I believe the statement i highlighted was actually meant as "when we are in power, any NEW policies we make will have nothing to do with the Liberal's agenda, unlike our pre-election policies, which are being made to coax Liberal voters to vote for us".

The most read and watched media in this country is pro-Liberal, so it should not be surprising that spin often goes their way.
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: renaeden on November 07, 2007, 11:02:37 PM
Are you opposed to labour?
I don't know because it has been a while since they were in. I may be just afraid of change. :P

I remember when I was younger and the "recession we had to have" and the interest rates being really high. My parents had to sell their house because of the interest rates, they had huge arguments over it and they divorced.

I know I can't blame all of that on our government, the effect of recession was worldwide. And there was the Gulf War too.

vodzy, I have thought about your comment too. And it makes it more confusing than ever because of the way things are filtered through the media. Also have to read between the lines when it comes to political statements and that makes it confusing as well.

Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: renaeden on November 23, 2007, 09:22:01 PM
Federal election day today.

I remember the last state election happened when I was in hospital, I didn't vote in it. When I came out of hospital, I saw a picture of Alan Carpenter, our state Premier and said, "Who's that guy?" :D
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: GalileoAce on November 24, 2007, 05:32:12 AM
Labor has won the overall election, but there's this little nugget which I find endlessly amusing:

Looks like John Howard will be the first Prime Minister since 1929 to loose his electoral seat.

The former ABC television journalist, Maxine McKew, is ahead of Mr Howard 51.1 per cent to 48.9 per cent after preferences, a swing of 5.2 per cent with 69.8 per cent of the vote counted.

If Mr Howard loses his seat he will be the first sitting Prime Minister to do so since 1929.
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: renaeden on November 27, 2007, 12:32:40 AM
So now Kevin Rudd is our new Prime Minister.

(for anyone that wanted to know)
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: McGiver on November 27, 2007, 08:34:08 AM
john howard got pwned.
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: enronh on November 27, 2007, 12:53:31 PM
So now Kevin Rudd is our new Prime Minister.

(for anyone that wanted to know)

Yeah, on the news they described him as a 'self-confessed geek'  ;D
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: duncvis on November 28, 2007, 06:43:06 PM
So now Kevin Rudd is our new Prime Minister.

(for anyone that wanted to know)

Yeah, on the news they described him as a 'self-confessed geek'  ;D

That implies he has a fully functioning brain; rare in politics but you never know.
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: odeon on November 29, 2007, 01:55:46 AM
So now Kevin Rudd is our new Prime Minister.

(for anyone that wanted to know)

Yeah, on the news they described him as a 'self-confessed geek'  ;D

That implies he has a fully functioning brain; rare in politics but you never know.

A politician with a fully functioning brain? You're kidding.
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: Parts on November 29, 2007, 06:47:21 AM
When ever I heard is name all I could ever think of is Howard Johnson Motels and their orange roof :laugh:
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: GalileoAce on November 29, 2007, 07:45:13 AM
So now Kevin Rudd is our new Prime Minister.
(for anyone that wanted to know)

Yeah, on the news they described him as a 'self-confessed geek'  ;D

That implies he has a fully functioning brain; rare in politics but you never know.

A politician with a fully functioning brain? You're kidding.

Shocking as it may be...It seems to be true..For once.
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: enronh on November 29, 2007, 01:40:03 PM
So now Kevin Rudd is our new Prime Minister.

(for anyone that wanted to know)

Yeah, on the news they described him as a 'self-confessed geek'  ;D

That implies he has a fully functioning brain; rare in politics but you never know.

Whats your opinion of Gordon Brown?
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: duncvis on December 01, 2007, 11:15:20 AM
haven't decided yet. depends what he does next I suppose; he may prove not to be quite as big a bumgrape as his predecessor. at least the compulsory biometric ID cards bollocks has been shelved.
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: enronh on December 01, 2007, 01:24:36 PM
haven't decided yet. depends what he does next I suppose; he may prove not to be quite as big a bumgrape as his predecessor. at least the compulsory biometric ID cards bollocks has been shelved.

Yeah he seems to have some good qualities. I guess time will tell.
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: Al Swearegen on December 24, 2007, 02:08:08 AM
My birthday was on Election Day. It was the Christmas Party the night before. Voting sucks arse. Paul Keating is my pick of PM's.

I think we all knew where we stood with him and why.
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: vodz on December 24, 2007, 09:13:40 AM
Sir Les Patterson for PM!
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: duncvis on December 24, 2007, 10:47:19 AM
 :orly:
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: vodz on December 25, 2007, 02:23:26 AM
:orly:
:toporly: :plus:
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: renaeden on December 28, 2007, 03:28:34 AM
Paul Keating is my pick of PM's.

I think we all knew where we stood with him and why.
I remember some quotes of his.

How Australia was "the arse end of the world" and all about "the recession we had to have". Oh yes I remember him!  :laugh:
Title: Re: John Howard
Post by: Dexter Morgan on December 29, 2007, 04:58:05 PM
Paul Keating is my pick of PM's.

I think we all knew where we stood with him and why.
I remember some quotes of his.

How Australia was "the arse end of the world" and all about "the recession we had to have". Oh yes I remember him!  :laugh:
It looks more like the nutsack of the world from a map.