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Start here => What's your crime? Basic Discussion => Topic started by: Phlexor on September 23, 2008, 10:27:38 AM
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Just talking with GA online and he says he hasn't seen "War Games".
What movies do you consider "must see" for a geek/nerd/aspie/whatever, and what movies haven't you seen but feel you should to still consider yourself among said group.
Myself I haven't seen any of the LotR movies.
List away!
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The Matrix. All 3 of them.
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The Matrix. All 3 of them.
Is that movies you should see, or movies you personally haven't seen?
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At least one Star Trek film.
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At least one Star Trek film.
I think you have to have seen them all, even the ones that suck, just so you can bitch about them with other geeks. :green:
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Which one's sucked? ;)
I think they all have their merits.
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Which one's sucked? ;)
I think they all have their merits.
5 and 10 I feel are the worst in that order. Which is unfair, cos 10 looked very good visually, just the plot sucked balls.
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10: The plot was lost in the poor direction from Stuart Baird... It needed a better touch, Frakes could've pulled it off I think. I don't even know why they hired Baird, it's a bloody action director... The story was good...but you have to think about it later to realise what it could've been.
5: is almost the opposite.
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5 died cos they didnt have the budget for what they wanted to do, so what they were left with was shit. 10 was written by a big star trek fan, and I think that is the last thing you should ever do.
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5 died cos they didnt have the budget for what they wanted to do, so what they were left with was shit. 10 was written by a big star trek fan, and I think that is the last thing you should ever do.
5 had some pretty awesome FX for it's day though.
I disagree on that, a fan would know more about the content...but it needed a clean up definitely.
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5 died cos they didnt have the budget for what they wanted to do, so what they were left with was shit. 10 was written by a big star trek fan, and I think that is the last thing you should ever do.
5 had some pretty awesome FX for it's day though.
I disagree on that, a fan would know more about the content...but it needed a clean up definitely.
Well see, what I feel is wrong with a fan writing a star trek movie is that they will try to include all the things that they think the fans have been wanting/asking for, and that just doesn't work. The wanting is a personal thing, experience if you will. A good movie will leave you wanting more, dreaming about it, thinking about how things could be or play out. If its all handed to you on a nice silver platter, you just feel empty at the end.
Plus they broke a fair bit of cannon as well, and that never goes down well with trekkies.
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5 died cos they didnt have the budget for what they wanted to do, so what they were left with was shit. 10 was written by a big star trek fan, and I think that is the last thing you should ever do.
5 had some pretty awesome FX for it's day though.
I disagree on that, a fan would know more about the content...but it needed a clean up definitely.
Well see, what I feel is wrong with a fan writing a star trek movie is that they will try to include all the things that they think the fans have been wanting/asking for, and that just doesn't work. The wanting is a personal thing, experience if you will. A good movie will leave you wanting more, dreaming about it, thinking about how things could be or play out. If its all handed to you on a nice silver platter, you just feel empty at the end.
Plus they broke a fair bit of cannon as well, and that never goes down well with trekkies.
Which canon? Picard's hair?
I think most of the "fanboi" stuff included came from the director (such as the Scimitar folding wing thing, and probably the whole battle in the green nebula, the script probably said "and battle ensues")
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All three Back To The Future movies.
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The Matrix. All 3 of them.
Is that movies you should see, or movies you personally haven't seen?
Should see :D
I cant really recommend stuff without seeing it, now can I ;)
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Fifth Element. dunno if it's geeky, but it's probably my favourite film. :green:
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Fifth Element. dunno if it's geeky, but it's probably my favourite film. :green:
For a sci-fi parody, it's a damn good sci-fi film :D
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'xactly. AND gaultier outfits... :drool:
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hehe...if you could call what Leeloo wore an outfit ;)
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:laugh:
:indeed:
wish i had the body to wear something like that. sigh...
although i thought she was too thin, personally.
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Agreed.
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THX-1138.
And to be a real geek, you need to prefer it to Star Wars.
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You not only have to have seen these, but you have to own them, including special releases, and know the lines from them.
Adventures Of Buckaroo Banzai Across The 8th Dimension, The
Back To The Future
Back To The Future II
Back To The Future III
Batman
Batman Begins
Battlestar Galactica
Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey
Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure
Billy Madison
Blade Runner
Blade Runner - The Director's Cut
Breakfast Club, The
Chasing Amy
Christmas Story, A
Clerks
Clerks II
Comic Book The Movie
Dazed And Confused
Dead Poets Society
Dogma
Dune
Fast Times At Ridgemont High
Ferris Bueller's Day Off
Fever Pitch (If you are from New England!)
Fletch
Fletch 2
Ghostbusters
Ghostbusters 2
Good Will Hunting
Goonies, The
Happy Gilmore
Heavy Metal
High Fidelity
Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy, The
Ice Pirates, The
Indiana Jones And The Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull
Indiana Jones And The Last Crusade
Indiana Jones And The Last Crusade Special Edition
Indiana Jones And The Raiders Of The Lost Ark
Indiana Jones And The Raiders Of The Lost Ark Special Edition
Indiana Jones And The Temple Of Doom
Indiana Jones And The Temple Of Doom Special Edition
Jay And Silent Bob Strike Back
Jurassic Park
Jurassic Park III
Jurassic Park: The Lost World
Kentucky Fried Movie
Lord Of The Rings: Return Of The King
Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring
Lord Of The Rings: The Two Towers
Mad Max
Major League
Mallrats
Matrix
Matrix Reloaded
Matrix Revolutions
Monty Python And The Holy Grail
Mosquito Coast
Napolean Dynamite
Princess Bride, The
Real Genius
Serenity
Simpsons Movie, The
Sixteen Candles
Spaceballs
Spider-Man
Spider-Man 2
Spider-Man 3
Stand By Me
Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan
Star Trek III: The Search For Spock
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
Star Trek: Generations
Star Trek: Nemesis
Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace (FS)
Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace (WS)
Star Wars Episode II: Attack Of The Clones (FS)
Star Wars Episode II: Attack Of The Clones (WS)
Star Wars Episode III: Revenge Of The Sith (FS)
Star Wars Episode III: Revenge Of The Sith (WS)
Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope (FS)
Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope (WS)
Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope Special Edition (FS)
Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope Special Edition (WS)
Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back (FS)
Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back (WS)
Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back Special Edition (FS)
Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back Special Edition (WS)
Star Wars Episode VI: Return Of The Jedi (FS)
Star Wars Episode VI: Return Of The Jedi (WS)
Star Wars Episode VI: Return Of The Jedi Special Edition (FS)
Star Wars Episode VI: Return Of The Jedi Special Edition (WS)
Strange Brew
Swingers
Team America World Police
Thumb Wars
THX 1138
Time Bandits
Tron
UHF
War Games
Weird Science
X-Files, The: Fight The Future
X-Men
X-Men 2
X-Men III: The Last Stand
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I like Tron. ;D
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Amelie
Amores Perros
Big Lebowski
City of God
Donnie Darko
Ghost World
Goodfellas
Into the Wild
Life Aquatic
Magnolia
Rushmore
The Shining
but that's just the art house nerd in me
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Still have dreams about Leeloo.
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I've got all the Star Trek movies. They're the recently released two-disk-each collector's series. I've been slowly going through all the little documentaries on the bonus disks. Lots of interesting stuff there, the best of which (and I could have died laughing when I saw this) was on the bonus disk for The Wrath of Khan. That being Leonard Nimoy wearing an outrageously tacky pin-striped suit to an interview. I plan to gradually acquire all the TV series on DVD.
I know lots of Trekkies IRL. Some of them are okay, but most are a bunch of annoying wankers completely caught-up in the politics of their fan organizations. (Organized fandom sucks.) I'd go to their meetings and they'd spend hours dicking around with their bylaws and other bullshit. I'd often completely forget it's a club for people who all like a TV show. These days I stay away from them and hang out with sci-fi fans of other genres. If any of you decide to hang out with other sci-fi fans IRL, be very careful.
Star Wars... Got the box-set of DVDs the day it was released, and also have them on LaserDisc.
There are lots of documentaries about both Star Wars and Star Trek that you can get on DVD, some of them pretty cheap. Just take a look on Amazon. Gotta have some of those, too.
The Matrix... Ultimate edition box-set on HD-DVD. (And, one of these days I'll purchase a Blu-Ray player for all those movies that didn't come out on HD-DVD. For now, I'm just taking advantage of cheap HD-DVDs that sellers are trying to get rid of. Back in January, I bought an HD-DVD player knowing it was going to lose to Blu-Ray, so I could have something to watch those "fire sale" disks on.)
Aside from sci-fi, I also collect independent flicks, mainly from Odessa and Troma. Also, two of my favorite rock bands (Talking Heads and Devo) have movies associated with them. I haven't seen either yet, but they're on my must-have list. One of them is True Stories, which uses Talking Heads songs in its soundtrack. Another, from Devo, is titled something like The Complete Truth About De-Evolution.
I could ramble on but y'all get the idea.
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Seen it
Know the lines
Adventures Of Buckaroo Banzai Across The 8th Dimension, The
Back To The Future
Back To The Future II
Back To The Future III
Batman
Batman Begins
(which one?)Battlestar Galactica(new series)
Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey
Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure
Billy Madison
Blade Runner
Blade Runner - The Director's Cut
Breakfast Club, The
Chasing Amy
Christmas Story, A
Clerks
Clerks II
Comic Book The Movie
Dazed And Confused
Dead Poets Society
Dogma
Dune
Fast Times At Ridgemont High
Ferris Bueller's Day Off
Fever Pitch (If you are from New England!)
Fletch
Fletch 2
Ghostbusters
Ghostbusters 2
Good Will Hunting
Goonies, The
Happy Gilmore
Heavy Metal
High Fidelity
Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy, The
Ice Pirates, The
Indiana Jones And The Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull
(what defines a special edition?)
Indiana Jones And The Last Crusade
Indiana Jones And The Last Crusade Special Edition
Indiana Jones And The Raiders Of The Lost Ark
Indiana Jones And The Raiders Of The Lost Ark Special Edition
Indiana Jones And The Temple Of Doom
Indiana Jones And The Temple Of Doom Special Edition[/s]
Jay And Silent Bob Strike Back
Jurassic Park
Jurassic Park III
Jurassic Park: The Lost World
Kentucky Fried Movie
Lord Of The Rings: Return Of The King
Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring
Lord Of The Rings: The Two Towers
Mad Max
Major League
Mallrats
Matrix
Matrix Reloaded
Matrix Revolutions
Monty Python And The Holy Grail
Mosquito Coast
Napolean Dynamite
Princess Bride, The
Real Genius
Serenity
Simpsons Movie, The
Sixteen Candles
Spaceballs
Spider-Man
Spider-Man 2
Spider-Man 3
Stand By Me
Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan
Star Trek III: The Search For Spock
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
Star Trek: Generations
Star Trek: Nemesis
Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace (FS)
Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace (WS)
Star Wars Episode II: Attack Of The Clones (FS)
Star Wars Episode II: Attack Of The Clones (WS)
Star Wars Episode III: Revenge Of The Sith (FS)
Star Wars Episode III: Revenge Of The Sith (WS)
Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope (FS)
Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope (WS)
Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope Special Edition (FS)
Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope Special Edition (WS)
Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back (FS)
Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back (WS)
Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back Special Edition (FS)
Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back Special Edition (WS)
Star Wars Episode VI: Return Of The Jedi (FS)
Star Wars Episode VI: Return Of The Jedi (WS)
Star Wars Episode VI: Return Of The Jedi Special Edition (FS)
Star Wars Episode VI: Return Of The Jedi Special Edition (WS)
Strange Brew
Swingers
Team America World Police
Thumb Wars
THX 1138
Time Bandits
Tron
UHF
War Games
Weird Science
X-Files, The: Fight The Future
X-Men
X-Men 2
X-Men III: The Last Stand
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Fifth Element. dunno if it's geeky, but it's probably my favourite film. :green:
That movie is Super Green! :green:
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THX-1138.
And to be a real geek, you need to prefer it to Star Wars.
What about the Remastered THX-1138?
(I has the dvd of it)
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Fifth Element. dunno if it's geeky, but it's probably my favourite film. :green:
That movie is Super Green! :green:
I need to watch it again!
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Fifth Element!! :pinkbeat: Leeloo Dallas multipass :laugh:
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Fifth Element!! :pinkbeat: Leeloo Dallas multipass :laugh:
lmao just noticed this:
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Leeloo is great.
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One of the reasons I wasn't here for a few weeks before was cos our cat died, got run over. We had named her Leeloo.
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At least one Star Trek film.
I think you have to have seen them all, even the ones that suck, just so you can bitch about them with other geeks. :green:
I've seen them all and have them in my DVD collection :green:
The worst is 'Star Trek: Generations' without a doubt. The best is 'Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan' and my personal favourite is 'Star Trek: The Motion Picture'.
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The story was good...but you have to think about it later to realise what it could've been.
Watch 'The Wrath of Khan' and 'The Undiscovered Country' back-to-back and what need is there for 'Nemesis' which was a faulty construct hoping to repeat the greatness of the two by rehashing elements of their plotlines... and missing the point.
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All three Back To The Future movies.
Woohoo. First is the best. Third is the most fun. Second is the more Science Fictional and darker.
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At least one Star Trek film.
I think you have to have seen them all, even the ones that suck, just so you can bitch about them with other geeks. :green:
I've seen them all and have them in my DVD collection :green:
The worst is 'Star Trek: Generations' without a doubt. The best is 'Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan' and my personal favourite is 'Star Trek: The Motion Picture'.
Really?
The story was good...but you have to think about it later to realise what it could've been.
Watch 'The Wrath of Khan' and 'The Undiscovered Country' back-to-back and what need is there for 'Nemesis' which was a faulty construct hoping to repeat the greatness of the two by rehashing elements of their plotlines... and missing the point.
I fail to see how Nemesis is anything like Undiscovered Country (my all time fav). Political Intrigue hardly constitutes similarity.
All three Back To The Future movies.
Woohoo. First is the best. Third is the most fun. Second is the more Science Fictional and darker.
I like the second best...but only because it goes back to the first in a cool way.
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Watch 'The Wrath of Khan' and 'The Undiscovered Country' back-to-back and what need is there for 'Nemesis' which was a faulty construct hoping to repeat the greatness of the two by rehashing elements of their plotlines... and missing the point.
I fail to see how Nemesis is anything like Undiscovered Country (my all time fav). Political Intrigue hardly constitutes similarity.
I said rehashing ELEMENTS of their plotlines ::) Like I said, they did so while missing the point. I think they should have followed on from 'Insurrection' and examined the Federation's own troubles... repercussions of several recent wars... Dominion and Borg. While 'Insurrection' had weaknesses, it would have made an excellent springboard.
'Undiscovered Country' is my third favourite, after 'The Motion Picture' and 'The Wrath of Khan' :green:
All three Back To The Future movies.
Woohoo. First is the best. Third is the most fun. Second is the more Science Fictional and darker.
I like the second best...but only because it goes back to the first in a cool way.
I am torn with the three because they all are my favourite of the three depending upon my mood.
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Playing my Nerd card rather than my Geek card...
Everybody should watch 'Citizen Kane'.
Everybody should also watch 'Vertigo', 'A touch of Evil', 'Psycho' and 'Peeping Tom'.
I could probably list hundreds of other movies everybody should watch... but Nerdish rather than Geekish.
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I'm surprised you consider TMP your fav... It had barely enough story for a tv episode (seeing how it was based on one!), and the rest was filled in with (incredibly awesome for it's day) FX.
Though the Director's Cut DVD is pretty awesome :)
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I'm surprised you consider TMP your fav... It had barely enough story for a tv episode (seeing how it was based on one!), and the rest was filled in with (incredibly awesome for it's day) FX.
Though the Director's Cut DVD is pretty awesome :)
I say it is my favourite, but that doesn't mean I think it is the all-round best of the series. I like the slowness and the grandeur and the awesome score by the late great Jerry Goldsmith. I like the passages of stillness in the movie. I just love watching it. It is beautiful.
The Director's Cut is the best version. Robert Wise wasn't able to complete the movie before the studio released it into theatres. The theatrical was always rather unfinished.
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THX-1138.
And to be a real geek, you need to prefer it to Star Wars.
What about the Remastered THX-1138?
(I has the dvd of it)
It's OK. I have that on DVD, too. ;D
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Playing my Nerd card rather than my Geek card...
Everybody should watch 'Citizen Kane'.
Everybody should also watch 'Vertigo', 'A touch of Evil', 'Psycho' and 'Peeping Tom'.
I could probably list hundreds of other movies everybody should watch... but Nerdish rather than Geekish.
"Peeping Tom" is such a boring film, though.
And "The Trouble with Harry" is better than "Vertigo". So there. :P
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"Peeping Tom" is such a boring film, though.
Whaaaaat?!!! :o
Its a work of genius.
And "The Trouble with Harry" is better than "Vertigo". So there. :P
'The Trouble with Harry' is a great movie... erm but 'Vertigo' is the greatest of all the Master's films. I don't think you'd find many who would agree with you there, Odeon :P
But then... I'm a movie NERD :eyebrows:
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I'm surprised you consider TMP your fav... It had barely enough story for a tv episode (seeing how it was based on one!), and the rest was filled in with (incredibly awesome for it's day) FX.
Though the Director's Cut DVD is pretty awesome :)
I say it is my favourite, but that doesn't mean I think it is the all-round best of the series. I like the slowness and the grandeur and the awesome score by the late great Jerry Goldsmith. I like the passages of stillness in the movie. I just love watching it. It is beautiful.
The Director's Cut is the best version. Robert Wise wasn't able to complete the movie before the studio released it into theatres. The theatrical was always rather unfinished.
You know I have to agree with you there.
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Who is the "Master"?
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I never knew it was necessary to watch Star Wars in fullscreen.
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The story was good...but you have to think about it later to realise what it could've been.
Watch 'The Wrath of Khan' and 'The Undiscovered Country' back-to-back and what need is there for 'Nemesis' which was a faulty construct hoping to repeat the greatness of the two by rehashing elements of their plotlines... and missing the point.
I'd have to say that ST:6 The Undiscovered Country is the most all round enjoyable trek film of them all.
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THX-1138.
And to be a real geek, you need to prefer it to Star Wars.
What about the Remastered THX-1138?
(I has the dvd of it)
It's OK. I have that on DVD, too. ;D
As far as a clean up and remastering go, it was one hell of an effort, considering how white the movie is.
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I never knew it was necessary to watch Star Wars in fullscreen.
I'd consider it a crime.
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I don't know that what I'm actually holding could be called a Geek Card, but if I don't get a hotfix of Milla Jovovich occasionally, I get all rotten inside.
:hahaha:
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Here's a few foreign films I enjoyed
La Dolce Vita - Federico Fellini
Les Quatre cents coups (The 400 Blows) Francois Traffaut
The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie (Le charme discret de la bourgeoisie) - Luis Buñuel
Everything Is Illuminated - Directed by Liev Schreiber (adapted from the novel by Jonathan Safran Foer)
Umberto D. - Vittorio De Sica
Le Temps qui reste (Time to Leave) - Francois Ozon
All of Kubricks films as well
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"Peeping Tom" is such a boring film, though.
Whaaaaat?!!! :o
Its a work of genius.
It's *boring*.
And "The Trouble with Harry" is better than "Vertigo". So there. :P
'The Trouble with Harry' is a great movie... erm but 'Vertigo' is the greatest of all the Master's films. I don't think you'd find many who would agree with you there, Odeon :P
But then... I'm a movie NERD :eyebrows:
I don't have to have anyone agreeing with me to know that I think "Harry" is better. ;D
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Here's a few foreign films I enjoyed
La Dolce Vita - Federico Fellini
Les Quatre cents coups (The 400 Blows) Francois Traffaut
The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie (Le charme discret de la bourgeoisie) - Luis Buñuel
Everything Is Illuminated - Directed by Liev Schreiber (adapted from the novel by Jonathan Safran Foer)
Umberto D. - Vittorio De Sica
Le Temps qui reste (Time to Leave) - Francois Ozon
All of Kubricks films as well
Don't know what you consider "foreign" but "Illuminated..." is American.
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Here's a few foreign films I enjoyed
La Dolce Vita - Federico Fellini
Les Quatre cents coups (The 400 Blows) Francois Traffaut
The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie (Le charme discret de la bourgeoisie) - Luis Buñuel
Everything Is Illuminated - Directed by Liev Schreiber (adapted from the novel by Jonathan Safran Foer)
Umberto D. - Vittorio De Sica
Le Temps qui reste (Time to Leave) - Francois Ozon
All of Kubricks films as well
Don't know what you consider "foreign" but "Illuminated..." is American.
Yeah America is foreign to me. Very Foreign :laugh:
Sure, its the odd one out. I was thinking foreign events etc.
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Here's a few foreign films I enjoyed
La Dolce Vita - Federico Fellini
Les Quatre cents coups (The 400 Blows) Francois Traffaut
The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie (Le charme discret de la bourgeoisie) - Luis Buñuel
Everything Is Illuminated - Directed by Liev Schreiber (adapted from the novel by Jonathan Safran Foer)
Umberto D. - Vittorio De Sica
Le Temps qui reste (Time to Leave) - Francois Ozon
All of Kubricks films as well
As a film geek lemme add my own list :zoinks:
Since we're talking of Ozon, I love Swimming Pool and 8 femmes.
Films:
Water Lilies
In the Mood for Love
Chungking Express
2046
A Clockwork Orange
Happiness
Palindromes
Mulholland Dr
Blue Velvet
The Elephant Man
Delicatessen
The City of Lost Children
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Unveiled
Trainspotting
Big Fish
Innocence
The Button-Pinchers
Dark Horse
Valerie and Her Week of Wonders
Lilja 4-ever
Fucking Amal
The Three Colours trilogy
Chicago
Closely Observed Trains
Bad Education
Tie me up! Tie me down!
All About My Mother
Amarcord
Brazil
The Rocky Horror Picture Show
Persona
The Seventh Seal
Pi
Bound
Pan's Labyrinth
Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Life of Brian
Paris, Texas
Wings of Desire
Perfume
Y tu mama tambien
Annie Hall
May
Vertigo
Pulp Fiction
Passport to Pimlico
Amelie
Singin' in the Rain
Batman
Batman Returns
The Dark Knight
Blazing Saddles
Aimee and Jaguar
Fingersmith
Goodbye Lenin!
Gadjo Dilo
Noi Albinoi
Metropolis
The Believer
Kiss of the Spiderwoman
Boys Don't Cry
Harold and Maude
Breaking the Waves
Eating Raul
Spirit of the Beehive
Wild Tigers I have Known
The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover (thanks Lucifer and odeon! :laugh: watched it after hearing you two talk about it)
Lost and Delirious
The Magdalene Sisters
Frida
The Science of Sleep
Heaven
Das Experiment
But I'm a Cheerleader!
Now lets see who matches me film-wise :green:
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Here's a few foreign films I enjoyed
La Dolce Vita - Federico Fellini
Les Quatre cents coups (The 400 Blows) Francois Traffaut
The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie (Le charme discret de la bourgeoisie) - Luis Buñuel
Everything Is Illuminated - Directed by Liev Schreiber (adapted from the novel by Jonathan Safran Foer)
Umberto D. - Vittorio De Sica
Le Temps qui reste (Time to Leave) - Francois Ozon
All of Kubricks films as well
Don't know what you consider "foreign" but "Illuminated..." is American.
Yeah America is foreign to me. Very Foreign :laugh:
Sure, its the odd one out. I was thinking foreign events etc.
Where do you live? :-\
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I don't know that what I'm actually holding could be called a Geek Card, but if I don't get a hotfix of Milla Jovovich occasionally, I get all rotten inside.
:hahaha:
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I :pinkbeat: Milla Jovovich!
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Here's a few foreign films I enjoyed
La Dolce Vita - Federico Fellini
Les Quatre cents coups (The 400 Blows) Francois Traffaut
The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie (Le charme discret de la bourgeoisie) - Luis Buñuel
Everything Is Illuminated - Directed by Liev Schreiber (adapted from the novel by Jonathan Safran Foer)
Umberto D. - Vittorio De Sica
Le Temps qui reste (Time to Leave) - Francois Ozon
All of Kubricks films as well
Don't know what you consider "foreign" but "Illuminated..." is American.
Yeah America is foreign to me. Very Foreign :laugh:
Sure, its the odd one out. I was thinking foreign events etc.
Where do you live? :-\
Ireland dude
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Here's a few foreign films I enjoyed
La Dolce Vita - Federico Fellini
Les Quatre cents coups (The 400 Blows) Francois Traffaut
The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie (Le charme discret de la bourgeoisie) - Luis Buñuel
Everything Is Illuminated - Directed by Liev Schreiber (adapted from the novel by Jonathan Safran Foer)
Umberto D. - Vittorio De Sica
Le Temps qui reste (Time to Leave) - Francois Ozon
All of Kubricks films as well
Don't know what you consider "foreign" but "Illuminated..." is American.
Yeah America is foreign to me. Very Foreign :laugh:
Sure, its the odd one out. I was thinking foreign events etc.
Where do you live? :-\
Ireland dude
Well, that explains it. Foreign films. :D
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Who is the "Master"?
Alfred Hitchcock is often called 'The Master of Suspense' and this in tern is often just shortened to 'The Master' :green:
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"Peeping Tom" is such a boring film, though.
Whaaaaat?!!! :o
Its a work of genius.
It's *boring*.
It is not 'boring' in the least. Somebody might find it not to their taste and may be bored by it, but that does NOT make the movie itself 'boring'.
I don't have to have anyone agreeing with me to know that I think "Harry" is better. ;D
::)
You 'know' and so you 'think' you are!!! :lol:
When you want to have a proper discussion about cinema... let me know.
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It is, and remains, my informed opinion that "Peeping Tom" is one of the most overrated films of all time, right up there with some of Bergman's junk, that "Vertigo", while good, is not Hitchcock's best film, and that "Harry", among others, is a better film.
Apart from your opinions (and seemingly those of some others) differing from mine, what makes yours more *proper* and worthy of a discussion? :finger:
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temper, temper, you two.
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There's a lot of political correctness to be dealt with if you want to talk about films. I've been showing so-called classics for 20+ years and this whole holier-than-thou attitude still pisses me off. You have no idea of how many times I've heard variations of Nocti's comments.
WTF happened to free will, being allowed to prefer one film over another, etc?
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There's a lot of political correctness to be dealt with if you want to talk about films. I've been showing so-called classics for 20+ years and this whole holier-than-thou attitude still pisses me off. You have no idea of how many times I've heard variations of Nocti's comments.
WTF happened to free will, being allowed to prefer one film over another, etc?
I think the film you are referring to is actually titled, "Free Willy."
*snort*
I agree with you BTW, not necessarily your choices, but certainly the statement that political correctness making one film "better" than another is foolish.
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There's a lot of political correctness to be dealt with if you want to talk about films. I've been showing so-called classics for 20+ years and this whole holier-than-thou attitude still pisses me off. You have no idea of how many times I've heard variations of Nocti's comments.
WTF happened to free will, being allowed to prefer one film over another, etc?
I think the film you are referring to is actually titled, "Free Willy."
*snort*
:laugh:
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I don't know that what I'm actually holding could be called a Geek Card, but if I don't get a hotfix of Milla Jovovich occasionally, I get all rotten inside.
:hahaha:
(http://:drool:)
I :pinkbeat: Milla Jovovich!
Cool pics! I have used several of Milla Jovovich's old model shoots as avatars over the years. I probably won't stray far from the one I have now, though. It's "ME."
Quite a listing of movies you have there. WoW!
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I think the film you are referring to is actually titled, "Free Willy."
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They should have made two versions: the familiar one in which Willy makes it through the jump into the open sea, and one where he doesn't make it and squashes the kid. >:D That way, you could have gone to the theater to see it not knowing which version it is until toward the end when Willy makes the jump. That would be some real suspense.
Somebody mentioned Mulholland Drive. Haven't seen it yet, but I did notice that a used HD-DVD of it is now $100 on Amazon. I'm damn sure not paying that much for any movie, let alone a used copy. Maybe I'll get it when it comes out on Blu-Ray.
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It is, and remains, my informed opinion that "Peeping Tom" is one of the most overrated films of all time, right up there with some of Bergman's junk, that "Vertigo", while good, is not Hitchcock's best film, and that "Harry", among others, is a better film.
If your opinion is 'informed' then please give me some INFORMED rationale from you as to why you are right. Then I will either see your point, or furnish you with a counter argument.
As to trying to ride rough shod over each other's opinions... that is fruitless, uninformed and anything but a serious discussion regarding cinema. I've seen no evidence of an 'informed' opinion in what you have said. Indeed, its seems singularly uninformed presently.
I agree only with you on the point that majority opinion is not always correct. However, the onus is on the minority opinion to be evidenced as worthwhile to pay any heed to. Most serious students of film would be aghast at what you have said about 'Peeping Tom' and 'Vertigo'.
If your opinion is 'informed' then inform rather than just ignorantly state contrariwise to the positions of experts both within and without the industry.
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There's a lot of political correctness to be dealt with if you want to talk about films. I've been showing so-called classics for 20+ years and this whole holier-than-thou attitude still pisses me off. You have no idea of how many times I've heard variations of Nocti's comments.
My comment, Sonny Jim, has NOTHING to do with political correctness.
I know the movies in question, 'Peeping Tom', 'Vertigo' and 'The Trouble with Harry' very well indeed. I watch them many times and they are part of my extensive film collection on DVD. I could not give two hoots about political correctness, Odeon... and you should have known me long enough to realise that.
You might show old classics, Sirrah and imagine yourself an expert, however I have studied film since as far back as I can remember... something like 35 years. I've given you NO holier-than-thou attitude mate - you are the one who has attacked, not I. You have simply picked a lesser known Hitchcock movie to try and show how clever and rebelious you are - well it doesn't wash with me unless you can back yourself up rationally and with knowledge.
I like 'The Trouble with Harry' very much indeed, but to claim it is Hitchcock's best movie is frankly bizaare and stinks of being deliberately against the tide for the sake of being against the tide rather for any rational reason. True, it could be the very best in any other Director's catalogue, but not in Hitchcock's. What? does it rate higher than 'Shadow of a Doubt', 'Psycho', 'Rear Window', 'The Wrong Man' or even a piece of Hitchock confectionary like 'North by Northwest'. Possibly on a par with 'North by Northwest' but no better.
There is so much genius and excellence in Hitchcock's canon that it is difficult to say which of his movies are best. However, 'Vertigo' certainly stands ahead of most, if not all. 'Marnie' is underrated and deserves better just like 'The Trouble with Harry' does... I agree. However, get pissy with somebody else, if the above is an example of the limits of your knowledge.
I think you picked on 'The Trouble with Harry' only because you are attracted to going against the flow for no better reason than to go against the flow. Maybe you thought I would be unfamiliar with the movie - think again. Hey its a really good movie, I'm not saying otherwise... a great movie indeed... but in that canon of movies. No. Not the best by any stretch - and I do not think anybody with serious knowledge would even suggest it.
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WTF happened to free will, being allowed to prefer one film over another, etc?
...And I have at no time said you should not have your own preferences. Don't try shifting the goal posts.
Hey, I like 'Star Wars I: The Phantom Menace' and enjoy watching it... but I'm not about to call it even a good movie... its very and deeply flawed.
I do not mind you finding 'Peeping Tom' personally boring. However you railed against my suggestion that the movie is one to watch by stating that it is 'boring'... not your preference but a condemnation. Many people find the movie far from boring. You have every right to your preferences... but don't beat me over the head with them - especially not by such empty statement. 'Its boring'... So god has spoken has he! I think not. I think the person who said that ought to have some humility and recognise it is just his personal preference rather than a condemnation of a work of art.
As for 'Vertigo's significance. It is recognised as significant and worthy of preservation by the American Library of Congress, and also highly ranked by the American Film Institute. Whilst this doesn't PROVE its a better film than 'The Trouble with Harry' it is at least worthy of note that the latter has not been so honoured (I agree that America has never given the movie the respect it deserves... however you pay it too much, Odeon).
http://www.cbc.ca/arts/film/story/2008/06/18/afi-topmovies-list.html
You want a SERIOUS conversation about cinema. Then adjust your ego and realise that YOU saying a movie I suggest for viewing is 'boring' is not necessarilly good enough. No. Not good enough by far. Shame on you, Odeon.
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It is, and remains, my informed opinion that "Peeping Tom" is one of the most overrated films of all time, right up there with some of Bergman's junk, that "Vertigo", while good, is not Hitchcock's best film, and that "Harry", among others, is a better film.
If your opinion is 'informed' then please give me some INFORMED rationale from you as to why you are right. Then I will either see your point, or furnish you with a counter argument.
As to trying to ride rough shod over each other's opinions... that is fruitless, uninformed and anything but a serious discussion regarding cinema. I've seen no evidence of an 'informed' opinion in what you have said. Indeed, its seems singularly uninformed presently.
I agree only with you on the point that majority opinion is not always correct. However, the onus is on the minority opinion to be evidenced as worthwhile to pay any heed to. Most serious students of film would be aghast at what you have said about 'Peeping Tom' and 'Vertigo'.
If your opinion is 'informed' then inform rather than just ignorantly state contrariwise to the positions of experts both within and without the industry.
Again, please tell me why your opinions (or those of film students, or the Library of Congress, or the American Film Institute, or...) should account for more than mine. That's what it boils down to, Nocti. Art is in the eyes of the beholder and there are no universal truths re film A being *better* than film B, even if the snob in you wishes to join the party line (or, indeed, if you actually prefer A to B).
See, what pisses me off is your less than subtle hint saying that even though I'm allowed to form my own opinion re Peeping Tom (thank you, massah), everyone (whose opinions *matters*) *knows* that it is one of the great films of all time so while you so graciously allow me to differ, the "experts" know better.
I find that sort of attitude patronising and extremely annoying. And please know that while it's mostly irrelevant in this context, I have studied films for as long as you--longer, actually--and have most likely seen more films than you. My love for film is the reason why I became a projectionist, apart from the technical side of the profession.
You should listen to your own advice. Have some humility and recognise that your opinions are just that, your opinions. Nothing more. I don't give a fuck if the Library of Congress agrees with you or not because frankly, that's irrelevant. In the end all we are talking about are opinions.
Want a *serious* discussion about film? Get rid of the holier-than-thou attitude.
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I like 'The Trouble with Harry' very much indeed, but to claim it is Hitchcock's best movie is frankly bizaare and stinks of being deliberately against the tide for the sake of being against the tide rather for any rational reason. True, it could be the very best in any other Director's catalogue, but not in Hitchcock's. What? does it rate higher than 'Shadow of a Doubt', 'Psycho', 'Rear Window', 'The Wrong Man' or even a piece of Hitchock confectionary like 'North by Northwest'. Possibly on a par with 'North by Northwest' but no better.
I don't claim to be a "film buff" or some such elitist fanboyism, but Psycho sucked balls. You call Hitchcock the master of suspense which I'll grant you given Rear Window and NbNW. But Psycho was in no way suspenseful... I'll chalk it up to a pathetic script.
Based off of the three Hitchcock films I've seen (Psycho, RW and NbNW) Rear Window is the best. I loved that film. Though NbNW was pretty good (even if I didn't get to see the end :'( )
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any chance of taking the cinematic stand-off to the call out forum?
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Lucifer I don't think that's possible... Films and the enjoyment of them is so tied to opinion that there is little to no evidence to back up someone's opinion, therefore a call out would be nigh impossible.
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good point. :thumbup:
however, i do believe there's a way of defending one's opinion by arguing the merits (or not) of aspects of a film/book/play etc., which the argument above doesn't appear to do, not to me, anyway.
that's why words like "good", "boring", "brilliant" etc. are banned in my writing classes - they tell us nothing about the film/book etc. apart from a subjective opinion. if someone can back up that opinion with reasoning, evidence and qualification, that's fine.
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good point. :thumbup:
however, i do believe there's a way of defending one's opinion by arguing the merits (or not) of aspects of a film/book/play etc., which the argument above doesn't appear to do, not to me, anyway.
that's why words like "good", "boring", "brilliant" etc. are banned in my writing classes - they tell us nothing about the film/book etc. apart from a subjective opinion. if someone can back up that opinion with reasoning, evidence and qualification, that's fine.
Yes that would be an interesting callout thread...Sadly I don't think many people on here are capable of such.
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i am! but then, what i know about films wouldn't take up much bandwidth. :(
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Lucifer I don't think that's possible... Films and the enjoyment of them is so tied to opinion that there is little to no evidence to back up someone's opinion, therefore a call out would be nigh impossible.
My whole point. No need for further argument, IMO.
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i am! but then, what i know about films wouldn't take up much bandwidth. :(
You're one out of...?
Like I said, not many.
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good point. :thumbup:
however, i do believe there's a way of defending one's opinion by arguing the merits (or not) of aspects of a film/book/play etc., which the argument above doesn't appear to do, not to me, anyway.
that's why words like "good", "boring", "brilliant" etc. are banned in my writing classes - they tell us nothing about the film/book etc. apart from a subjective opinion. if someone can back up that opinion with reasoning, evidence and qualification, that's fine.
Agreed! The defending of values and principle of such would I imagine get very heated and VERY funny for onlookers.
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Want a *serious* discussion about film? Get rid of the holier-than-thou attitude.
Or discuss it with somebody who actually wishes to discuss... unlike you. Go take a running jump, Odeon... it is you who made this an issue.
I'm not about to engage in a pissing contest with you as to who has seen the more films or not... talk about irrelevant.
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any chance of taking the cinematic stand-off to the call out forum?
Hey, I was just suggesting a handful of films that I consider 'must see'... its Odeon who has the problem and caused one. Why he cannot just accept that I've simply posted what I have... I do not know.
Has he posted a 'must see' selection in this thread yet? I wouldn't have treated his selection like he has treated mine. Very ignorant and unnecessary of him.
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any chance of taking the cinematic stand-off to the call out forum?
Hey, I was just suggesting a handful of films that I consider 'must see'... its Odeon who has the problem and caused one. Why he cannot just accept that I've simply posted what I have... I do not know.
Has he posted a 'must see' selection in this thread yet? I wouldn't have treated his selection like he has treated mine. Very ignorant and unnecessary of him.
I believe it was the way you posted your must sees.
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that's why words like "good", "boring", "brilliant" etc. are banned in my writing classes - they tell us nothing about the film/book etc. apart from a subjective opinion. if someone can back up that opinion with reasoning, evidence and qualification, that's fine.
Fine by me. I'm up for that so long as Odeon starts a thread with his rationale and I can actually read exactly what he is getting at. Otherwise its a bit of an open question for me and I might miss the matters he has the problems with.
He's the guy who has problems with my selection in the first place after all. If it is not important enough for him to do this, then perhaps in future it would be wiser for him to stay silent rather than launch into assumptions about my motivation in suggesting titles as 'must see'.
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I believe it was the way you posted your must sees.
Here's my original must see post...
Playing my Nerd card rather than my Geek card...
Everybody should watch 'Citizen Kane'.
Everybody should also watch 'Vertigo', 'A touch of Evil', 'Psycho' and 'Peeping Tom'.
I could probably list hundreds of other movies everybody should watch... but Nerdish rather than Geekish.
What did I do wrong?
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But that's the thing, chill out. I mean the Star Wars prequels were listed and most people jump on that shit and bag it out. Me personally, I like the films, they aren't the best films ever made or probably anywhere near it, but I enjoy the story, the characters and the universe it's set in. I'm a fan.
I think there are many different aspects of a film to appreciate and you don't have to like all of them. For some though, I guess any of these can be deal breakers and that's cool too, for them.
Sure it hurts when someone attacks something you like. It almost feels personal too, but that isn't a reason to attack back. It's time to agree to disagree or admit you like/dislike those films for different reasons.
(Edited to make more sense 'cos I can't type for shit obviously).
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I believe it was the way you posted your must sees.
Here's my original must see post...
Playing my Nerd card rather than my Geek card...
Everybody should watch 'Citizen Kane'.
Everybody should also watch 'Vertigo', 'A touch of Evil', 'Psycho' and 'Peeping Tom'.
I could probably list hundreds of other movies everybody should watch... but Nerdish rather than Geekish.
What did I do wrong?
I wouldn't have a clue, I'm not odeon.
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But that's the thing, chill out. I mean The Star Wars prequels were listed and most people jump on that shit and bag it out. Me personally, I like the films, they are the best films ever made or probably anywhere near it, but I enjoy the story, the characters and the universe its set in, I'm a fan.
I like the 'Star Wars' movies also. Even if I didn't, I wouldn't jump all over somebody who did... though I might mention my surprise. I also like 'Life Force' which in its time has been prematurely blamed for the death of British Horror... and I dislike David Lean's version of 'Great Expectations'... which is almost anathema in some filmic circles - note I said I dislike it... and by that I'm not saying it is boring or substandard, but simply saying that it doesn't gel with me personally, though I recognise its excellence.
I do not expect everybody to like what I like or dislike what I dislike... however, I do object if somebody condemns a movie for being 'boring' just because it is not to their taste. I consider that unreasonable. I do not like to see somebody who may claim to love cinema, slate a movie in such a pedestrian manner just because of their personal taste. Its a slight to a film maker who may very well deserve much better respect.
I think there are many different aspects of a film to appreciate and you dont have to like all of them. For some though, I guess any of these can be deal breakers and that's cool too, for them.
I completely agree. In the movies I suggested as 'must sees'... I mentioned them because I generally think all lovers of cinema should watch those movies at least once, because they are excellent (and not only them but 100s of others if they are serious about film)... actually I'd happilly say the same about 'The Trouble with Harry' which is a movie I admire also. I am not saying they have GOT to like the movies... just that they should give them a spin because they are worthwhile.
I guess Odeon would deny them a recommendation if he personally is bored by them and accuse anybody who dares recommend them as just being politically correct or elitist rather than honest. That is just STUPID and IGNORANT of him.
Sure it hurts when someone attacks something you like. It almost feels personal too, but that isn't a reason to attack back. It's time to agree to disagree or admit you like/dislike those film for different reasons.
I do not mind anybody attacking movies I like... so long as they give me good reasons. Just slating it as 'boring' and then accusing me of motivations other than simple appreciation of the movie, is frankly out of order. If I just recommended movies I like, I might have mentioned 'Link' or 'The Island'... however, whilst I like those movies, I would not call them must sees because of their flaws (indeed 'Link' is my all time favourite movie).
If Odeon loves film... truly loves film... then one has to ask how he can bring himself to slate a truly excellent movie just on the grounds that he personally does not enjoy watching it. Like Hitchcock, Michael Powell (who Directed 'Peeping Tom') it is generally agreed, was a genius of cinema - I certainly think so, even if I was the only one (I've loved the movie since before I knew how highly it is regarded these days... indeed, before it became so highly regarded).
Its fine to dislike a movie I recommend... but give good reason rather than empty ad hominem attacks against my motivations for putting it forward. Or childish banter about how many movies he has seen as opposed to me - we have both probably seen many many more than average.
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I believe it was the way you posted your must sees.
Here's my original must see post...
Playing my Nerd card rather than my Geek card...
Everybody should watch 'Citizen Kane'.
Everybody should also watch 'Vertigo', 'A touch of Evil', 'Psycho' and 'Peeping Tom'.
I could probably list hundreds of other movies everybody should watch... but Nerdish rather than Geekish.
What did I do wrong?
I wouldn't have a clue, I'm not odeon.
You did say you believed it was the way I had posted my must-sees - which is why I asked you :)
I do not think there was anything whatsoever wrong with how I posted my must-sees... and am glad you 'haven't a clue' as to what was so infuriating to Odeon in the way I presented my selection. I haven't a clue either as to why Odeon saw fit to reply as he did and get 'pissed' at me.
I was also very glad how you and I discussed in this thread earlier - regarding 'Star Trek'. It is a pity Odeon seems not capable of showing that level of maturity.
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/picks up chair and wanders off elsewhere...
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But that's the thing, I think saying you find a movie boring is a perfectly acceptable reason by itself. I caught part of one of the LotR movies on TV and it bored the shit out of me. It just seemed like a a bit of a wank. But then I can't enjoy some films I'm not immediately into until the hype has died way down. Similar thing with Firefly/Serenity. I only just downloaded them all and watched them. Yeah it was okay, but there was no way I was going to watch them when everyone was basicly telling me I had to see it.
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/picks up chair and wanders off elsewhere...
At least you didn't hit someone over the head with it. :insane:
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But that's the thing, I think saying you find a movie boring is a perfectly acceptable reason by itself.
Its what Odeon posted here that really put my back up...
There's a lot of political correctness to be dealt with if you want to talk about films. I've been showing so-called classics for 20+ years and this whole holier-than-thou attitude still pisses me off. You have no idea of how many times I've heard variations of Nocti's comments.
Completely out of order. My opinion is that its genius... Odeon's that it is boring. Odeon starting on about my motivations being other than honesty is completely out of order.
Then he rabbits on about possibly having watched more movies than I have... What, does he feel threatened that I am also somebody who has seen a lot of movies that he has to try and start a childish pissing contest with me? ::)
He has only supported his position by worthless ad hominem argument trying to say that I am biassed by 'political correctness' (quite something to say when we are discussing 'Peeping Tom' - anybody who knows the history of the film will realise what I mean)... and haven't seen as many films as he has... in his imagination - since he has not spent his life sitting on my shoulder ::) He has not actually discussed the movies at all in any intelligent way... just childishly attacks them as 'boring' etc. If he had nothing better to add why couldn't he have kept quiet.
I would have been quite interested to have seen him reason out what he was stating... but he didn't. He just whined that he was entitled to his preferences... and that was tilting at a straw man because I never said he had no right to taste or preference... whilst he was saying my taste and preference were fake and motivated by political correctness and an holier-than-thou attitude (fine words by the person who then argues he's seen more movies than I have... nah nah nee nah nah)!
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Want a *serious* discussion about film? Get rid of the holier-than-thou attitude.
Or discuss it with somebody who actually wishes to discuss... unlike you. Go take a running jump, Odeon... it is you who made this an issue.
I'm not about to engage in a pissing contest with you as to who has seen the more films or not... talk about irrelevant.
Look, mate, *you* felt the need to point out how long you'd been studying films. I replied. *You* felt it was necessary to point out that film students, the Library of Congress, etc, disagreed with me. I replied. You were the one to make an issue out of this thing. I stated my opinion, as I always do. I'm not speaking for you, the film students, or the Library of Congress, just myself, as always.
You started the pissing contest and now it's time for you to have a change of clothing because you've managed to wet your pants completely.
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I believe it was the way you posted your must sees.
Here's my original must see post...
Playing my Nerd card rather than my Geek card...
Everybody should watch 'Citizen Kane'.
Everybody should also watch 'Vertigo', 'A touch of Evil', 'Psycho' and 'Peeping Tom'.
I could probably list hundreds of other movies everybody should watch... but Nerdish rather than Geekish.
What did I do wrong?
Nothing. What was wrong with my reply, where I stated that Peeping Tom is boring?
EDIT: I'm not about to start sugar-coating my opinions just to suit you. If you take it personally that I think one of the movies you list is boring, that's your problem, not mine. It's not an attack on you.
See, I don't really mind if people hate the films I like, and say so, because it doesn't stop me from liking those films. It simply tells me that their tastes are different from mine.
Also, it doesn't change a thing if a known authority of some kind disagrees with me. Film, as any art form, is basically in the eyes of the beholder.
I also think "Stalker" (the film) is overestimated and in need of a trim, that most of what Chaplin has done is not particularly good, and that Cimino's first released (long) version of Heaven's Gate is the best of all the different releases. I think Woody Allen is mostly boring but when he isn't too busy admiring himself in the mirror he knows how to tell a story, that George Lucas is actually a damned fine editor but more or less a disaster as a director, that Brian de Palma should never have been allowed anywhere near a Steadicam, and that The Birth of a Nation should be shown in 24 frames per second.
Do these things insult you? I'm fairly sure the filmmakers wouldn't mind.
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Meh.
No one wants to be compatible with me ;(
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Not in that way, no. :P
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Meh.
No one wants to be compatible with me ;(
i will! name a film, and i'll say i like it, okay? ;)
:-*
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'kay...
Nocti, I think it's time to stop this thing.
First of all, I'm really sorry you took my initial Peeping Tom comment personally. I don't understand why, but I know you did. I can be like that, putting down films, books, music, anything I dislike, with a lot of sometimes mean commentary. Unnecessary, I know, but a part of my endearing character. And it's never personal; it's just an opinion. A strong one, but nevertheless just an opinion, and as such worth exactly as much or as little as the next man's.
Anyway, the rest went downhill fast but that has more to do with my personal dislike of "authorities", especially film critics (and the world they inhabit), rather than your comments. You only triggered those. See, one of my pet peeves is the kind of blind trust to certain directors, films, "waves" (new or otherwise), and the like that the patrons of the art house I've been showing films at have been displaying. The film festival people here in town are just the same. Often they will like a film because it's politically correct to do so. It's the party line of sorts.
And these people are really scary because some of them are film critics, others film festival directors, and yet others simply professional moviegoers, paid to go to Cannes or Venice or Berlin to pick new titles, and all they do is to create boundaries between anything that happens to be commercially viable and critically acceptable. Sometimes it's about putting down anything shown at the local multiplex because it's being shown there rather than at a local art house, sometimes it is about the director being a moneymaker or a film that just happens to be commercially successful. They do this all the time, and me, being an insider of sorts since I've been involved in this for two decades, have watched it all with increasing disgust and disbelief.
Thing is, the first time I saw Peeping Tom was probably twenty years ago and I can freely admit I didn't really understand it. I thought it to be rather slow and dull, in spite of the shocking theme. The drama to me now is much like Internet drama, as such rather tedious at best. ;) Since, I've had the opportunity to watch it again, several times, since it used to be a frequent rerun at my cinema. Apart from the colours disappearing, I found it to be pretty much what I remembered it to be. I still thought it to be disappointing, far from the horror it was advertised as, and never as shocking as advertised. Could be that I'm an aspie, could be that it's not my thing, but I never bought it.
But that's me. The patrons loved it, still do. They come in hordes. Tells me my tastes are different from theirs. And yours.
Vertigo is a good film. Terrific, if you ask me. But I always found Harry more enjoyable. I laughed like a drain, the first time I saw it. I thoroughly enjoyed it. It made me feel good, and the film was so cleverly executed that it made me think *why* it made me feel so good. Which is why I analysed it, and picked it apart, because I was heavily involved in making films in those days.
Vertigo, on the other hand, is an excellent thriller but the ending pretty much destroyed it for me, with James Stewart cured at a cost. The symbolism was sickening to me. Don't get me wrong--the film's excellent craftsmanship. It's just that I didn't buy it, in spite of the build-up. It's typical Hitchcock but the conclusion wasn't satisfying to me. Which is why I would never list it as one of my favourites, in spite of the mastery of his craft.
But that's OK. The other films you mentioned I agree about. The Touch of Evil is sheer genius, as is Citizen Kane, which to me is still as modern a film as they come. It's always been on my top ten.
Incidentally, most of what I ever will say on this board or elsewhere are just opinions. My opinions. As I said to Lucifer in an email just now, I'm an opinionated twunt.
Let's stop this, shall we? We both love Goldsmith, and that means a lot in my book. ;)
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'kay...
Nocti, I think it's time to stop this thing.
etc., etc.
nice one, O Man. i think it's big of you to say all that. except:
As I said to Lucifer in an email just now- eventually - I'm an opinionated twunt.
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'kay...
Nocti, I think it's time to stop this thing.
etc., etc.
nice one, O Man. i think it's big of you to say all that. except:
As I said to Lucifer in an email just now- eventually - I'm an opinionated twunt.
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Look, mate, *you* felt the need to point out how long you'd been studying films.
Your earlier post...
...I've been showing so-called classics for 20+ years...
My reply to YOUR post...
You might show old classics, Sirrah and imagine yourself an expert, however I have studied film since as far back as I can remember... something like 35 years.
I was REPLYING to your boast about your 20 years of films. It was a REPLY to what you FIRST boasted.
*You* felt it was necessary to point out that film students, the Library of Congress, etc, disagreed with me. I replied.
What I ACTUALLY wrote...
As for 'Vertigo's significance. It is recognised as significant and worthy of preservation by the American Library of Congress, and also highly ranked by the American Film Institute. Whilst this doesn't PROVE its a better film than 'The Trouble with Harry' it is at least worthy of note that the latter has not been so honoured...
Once again I mentioned that in REPLY to your rather petulent post, whilst taking care to admit it didn't prove anything beyond the significance that respected institutions thought it worthy. Why not mention these things? What, have I no right to post something other than personal opinion.
You started the pissing contest and now it's time for you to have a change of clothing because you've managed to wet your pants completely.
Oh ye of forgetful memory...
...I have studied films for as long as you--longer, actually--and have most likely seen more films than you.
YOU started the nah nah nee nah nah that you had probably seen more films than I have... though you don't know my consumption of films in the least - that's the 'pissing contest'... I didn't involve myself in such a pathetic thing except to point it out.
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I believe it was the way you posted your must sees.
Here's my original must see post...
Playing my Nerd card rather than my Geek card...
Everybody should watch 'Citizen Kane'.
Everybody should also watch 'Vertigo', 'A touch of Evil', 'Psycho' and 'Peeping Tom'.
I could probably list hundreds of other movies everybody should watch... but Nerdish rather than Geekish.
What did I do wrong?
Nothing. What was wrong with my reply, where I stated that Peeping Tom is boring?
GOOD. Well thank goodness that is settled. And I replied that I considered it GENIUS - not having taken offense at that time and so responding in a similar way that you had just responded. So what's your problem... why did you continue to assert your 'boring' comment instead of just letting the matter stop at that.
What has offended me is your pig ignorant assumptions about my motivation being based on political correctness... That's a personal slur. That is what was offensive to me.
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Nocti, I think it's time to stop this thing.
First of all, I'm really sorry you took my initial Peeping Tom comment personally. I don't understand why, but I know you did. I can be like that, putting down films, books, music, anything I dislike, with a lot of sometimes mean commentary. Unnecessary, I know, but a part of my endearing character. And it's never personal; it's just an opinion. A strong one, but nevertheless just an opinion, and as such worth exactly as much or as little as the next man's.
Anyway, the rest went downhill fast but that has more to do with my personal dislike of "authorities", especially film critics (and the world they inhabit), rather than your comments. You only triggered those. See, one of my pet peeves is the kind of blind trust to certain directors, films, "waves" (new or otherwise), and the like that the patrons of the art house I've been showing films at have been displaying. The film festival people here in town are just the same. Often they will like a film because it's politically correct to do so. It's the party line of sorts.
I was not insulted by you calling 'Peeping Tom' boring. I would have liked more information as to quite WHY. And WHY you thought 'The Trouble with Harry' superior to 'Vertigo'.
What insulted me, was your assumption that I was motivated by 'political correctness' in nominating the films that I did. That is NOT so in the least. I have never followed FASHION or political correctness in anything. That is what insulted me... that assumption.
I would agree with you about fad and esteem followers... but I object to being assumed to be one of them. I object to that a great deal. I do not and have never followed party lines. I respect the films I myself find admirable and finely crafted. I could not care less if they are films with a vast following or no following at all... it won't affect what I think of them.
I first saw 'Peeping Tom' on TV when I was a teen, when it was a largely forgotten film - before it became 'recognised'. I loved it instantly. Nothing to do with following any crowd. I do not mind if somebody does not like it. There has not been a film yet made that is even cinematic chocolate let alone universally loved (or universally despised). However, your contempt for me did not go down at all well when you started ad hominem attacks upon my motivation and how many films I've seen compared to you - which is nothing to do with the quality or lack thereof of the films in question.
I genuinely thank you for taking the time now to actually talk about the movie. The post was an interesting read. I thank you for it.
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And these people are really scary because some of them are film critics, others film festival directors, and yet others simply professional moviegoers, paid to go to Cannes or Venice or Berlin to pick new titles, and all they do is to create boundaries between anything that happens to be commercially viable and critically acceptable. Sometimes it's about putting down anything shown at the local multiplex because it's being shown there rather than at a local art house, sometimes it is about the director being a moneymaker or a film that just happens to be commercially successful. They do this all the time, and me, being an insider of sorts since I've been involved in this for two decades, have watched it all with increasing disgust and disbelief.
I completely agree with you. Until the French turned up, Hitchcock was mocked because he was successful by these sorts of idiots. I completely agree with you, 100% on this. The amount of times great films (including those later recognised as great) are crushed by these people.
Thing is, the first time I saw Peeping Tom was probably twenty years ago and I can freely admit I didn't really understand it. I thought it to be rather slow and dull, in spite of the shocking theme. The drama to me now is much like Internet drama, as such rather tedious at best. ;) Since, I've had the opportunity to watch it again, several times, since it used to be a frequent rerun at my cinema. Apart from the colours disappearing, I found it to be pretty much what I remembered it to be. I still thought it to be disappointing, far from the horror it was advertised as, and never as shocking as advertised. Could be that I'm an aspie, could be that it's not my thing, but I never bought it.
I have never found 'Peeping Tom' to be either shocking or a Horror movie. Historically, together with 'Psycho' they are the roots of the 'Slasher' sub genre... though hugely better than many that followed them - undenyably significant in film history... and that alone merits that they be seen at least once by those interested in film.
If 'Peeping Tom' is advertised as a Horror movie, then in my opinion it is mis-advertised and being wronged... just as the excellent 'Willard' remake was crippled by a misjudged advertising campaing and the original 'The Omen' almost suffered the same fate but was rescued. I have never thought of 'Peeping Tom' as a horror movie, but rather as a psychological drama which involves horrific elements. Perhaps this is the problem. Whilst you have every right not to like the film, perhaps your initial viewing was marred by the expectation of it being a Horror movie. Kind of like approaching 'A Matter of Life and Death' expecting a Fantasy Epic... bound to disappointment due to not meeting expectations.
Yes it is slow compared the the fast editing of modern movies... but then 'Alien' was considered slow in its time. Studio Execs complained that nothing happened in 'Alien' for the first 20 minutes or so. 'The Vampyr' might also be considered slow... but I'd recommend that as a must see, along with both versions of 'Nosferatu'. I do not mind slow... Sergio Leone westerns might also be considered slow by today's fast paced breathless standards - yet their slowness permits them to breath and provides texture between the moments of sudden violence.
Vertigo is a good film. Terrific, if you ask me. But I always found Harry more enjoyable. I laughed like a drain, the first time I saw it. I thoroughly enjoyed it. It made me feel good, and the film was so cleverly executed that it made me think *why* it made me feel so good. Which is why I analysed it, and picked it apart, because I was heavily involved in making films in those days.
Vertigo, on the other hand, is an excellent thriller but the ending pretty much destroyed it for me, with James Stewart cured at a cost. The symbolism was sickening to me. Don't get me wrong--the film's excellent craftsmanship. It's just that I didn't buy it, in spite of the build-up. It's typical Hitchcock but the conclusion wasn't satisfying to me. Which is why I would never list it as one of my favourites, in spite of the mastery of his craft.
I love down beat endings - lol. I love the ending of 'The Great Silence' ('Il Grande silenzio') greatly - lol. Can't get more downbeat than that. Watched David Lean's magnificent 'Doctor Zhivago' again tonight and that has a lovely down beat ending too. I love the fact that 'Vertigo' bucks the Hollywood trend of the happy ending. Its about destructive obsessive impossible forbidden love... and so, methinks, could not really end any other way. The final act is virtually one long drawn out soul-rape by way of agonising obsession.
I think 'The Trouble with Harry' is Hitchcock's most beautiful-looking film. And that opening sequence with the little boy playing in the woods, is absolutely fantastic... possibly my favourite Hitchcock opening. However, regardless as to how delicious a delight it is... I find it hinges on just one major joke... the very trouble with Harry. Sophisticated, but largelly singular and played out for the duration of the movie. In the hands of a lesser Director, it would probably have run out of steam. It is, in the hands of Hitchcock, a magnificent dessert one can enjoy time and time again without it getting old - it was one of Hitchcock's personal favourites, and woefully underrated. It is just that, for me, 'Vertigo' is more of a main course and textured. I wouldn't say any of Hitchcock's films were typical Hitchcock, because he was ever so experimental in what he did. Even quota fillers like 'Dial M for Murder' have a touch of his genius about them... and are not typical. I do not think I could recognise a typical Hitchcock and I have 38 of his movies in my collection.
Because of our argument, I re-watched 'Vertigo' again last night... trying to be with a more critical eye. The only real criticism I could find with it, is it tends to be a little bit on the talky side - quite a number of talking head sequences... which is causing me to re-evaluate where In put it in the Master's canon. It may stay in number one spot in my opinion, but I'm giving it some more thought. Its certainly got my second favourite Hitchcock opening with that magnificent rooftop chase - but an opening is just an opening - important but not the be all and end all :green:
Incidentally, most of what I ever will say on this board or elsewhere are just opinions. My opinions. As I said to Lucifer in an email just now, I'm an opinionated twunt.
No. You are more than entitled to your opinions. I'm very opinionated myself. I'd just sooner have had this excellent post of yours nearer the outset. This is a post I can really respect. Attacks on my motivations because my choice happens to go hand in hand with the PCs of some stuffed shirts, does not go down at all well. Remember what the critics say about 'Citizen Kane' and I'm not about to suggest we both rate that film highly because of some misplaced political correctness rather than our honest and informed opinions :eyebrows:
Let's stop this, shall we? We both love Goldsmith, and that means a lot in my book. ;)
I quite agree. I'd far sooner have fun discussing movies than the sort of thing we were doing earlier.
Thank you for your excellent explaination of your position and reasons, Odeon. :green:
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yay!
:belly:
that's enough now, though - don't go needing a room.
right, so can we talk about shrek 2 now, please? :eyelash:
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/me watches as this train becomes horribly derailed
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:sticks head in and makes that horrible "tocking" noise:
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Oh god! The train's flipped over! There's passengers everywhere! Oh the humanity!
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er, have i missed something...? ???
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...right, so can we talk about shrek 2 now, please? :eyelash:
I'd sooner talk about 'Shrek' the original. :eyebrows:
I resemble that ogre :green:
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I like all the Shrek films. Arguably the first is the best, but I think they all have their merits.
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er, have i missed something...? ???
Have you not seen that movie?
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...right, so can we talk about shrek 2 now, please? :eyelash:
I'd sooner talk about 'Shrek' the original. :eyebrows:
I resemble that ogre :green:
okay, especially if you make candles out of your earwax. :P
my favourite bit was when the bluebird exploded - i nearly shat myself laughing! :LMAO:
I like all the Shrek films. Arguably the first is the best, but I think they all have their merits.
bollocks - you're just being politically correct. :smarty:
/cackles, evilly.
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er, have i missed something...? ???
Have you not seen that movie?
which one? ???
(i did warn everyone i'm not a film buff).
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Does "not a film buff" mean that you are not even aware which movies you bring up to talk about?
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right, so can we talk about shrek 2 now, please? :eyelash:
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Thank you. I needed a rofl
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Does "not a film buff" mean that you are not even aware which movies you bring up to talk about?
mostly i am, although not if i've been taken over by the pod people for the evening. :P ;)
did i mention a film about a train crash, then? ???
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right, so can we talk about shrek 2 now, please? :eyelash:
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Thank you. I needed a rofl
you're welcome, and deserving. :-*
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did i mention a film about a train crash, then? ???
I was referring to the thread itself :P
But Unbreakable did.
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I completely agree with you. Until the French turned up, Hitchcock was mocked because he was successful by these sorts of idiots. I completely agree with you, 100% on this. The amount of times great films (including those later recognised as great) are crushed by these people.
Hitchcock always knew how to make a good film, meaning *entertaining*, much like someone like Spielberg does. They know how to use the tools at their disposal. And that's really all that matters in the end, that when you sit down to watch, you are entertained. You are in good hands.
Thing is, the first time I saw Peeping Tom was probably twenty years ago and I can freely admit I didn't really understand it. I thought it to be rather slow and dull, in spite of the shocking theme. The drama to me now is much like Internet drama, as such rather tedious at best. ;) Since, I've had the opportunity to watch it again, several times, since it used to be a frequent rerun at my cinema. Apart from the colours disappearing, I found it to be pretty much what I remembered it to be. I still thought it to be disappointing, far from the horror it was advertised as, and never as shocking as advertised. Could be that I'm an aspie, could be that it's not my thing, but I never bought it.
I have never found 'Peeping Tom' to be either shocking or a Horror movie. Historically, together with 'Psycho' they are the roots of the 'Slasher' sub genre... though hugely better than many that followed them - undenyably significant in film history... and that alone merits that they be seen at least once by those interested in film.
Never found Peeping Tom to be much of a slasher movie, either. ;)
I love Psycho, though, not because of that shower sequence but because of Anthony Perkins' acting.
If 'Peeping Tom' is advertised as a Horror movie, then in my opinion it is mis-advertised and being wronged... just as the excellent 'Willard' remake was crippled by a misjudged advertising campaing and the original 'The Omen' almost suffered the same fate but was rescued. I have never thought of 'Peeping Tom' as a horror movie, but rather as a psychological drama which involves horrific elements. Perhaps this is the problem. Whilst you have every right not to like the film, perhaps your initial viewing was marred by the expectation of it being a Horror movie. Kind of like approaching 'A Matter of Life and Death' expecting a Fantasy Epic... bound to disappointment due to not meeting expectations.
Quite frankly I don't remember how Peeping Tom was advertised when I first saw it. I suspect I watched it on TV because someone suggested that I do it. I do remember that it was said to be "shocking".
The Omen I like, btw.
Yes it is slow compared the the fast editing of modern movies... but then 'Alien' was considered slow in its time. Studio Execs complained that nothing happened in 'Alien' for the first 20 minutes or so. 'The Vampyr' might also be considered slow... but I'd recommend that as a must see, along with both versions of 'Nosferatu'. I do not mind slow... Sergio Leone westerns might also be considered slow by today's fast paced breathless standards - yet their slowness permits them to breath and provides texture between the moments of sudden violence.
I really love the slow pace of the Nosferatu remake (assuming we're talking about the German film; can't remember how many remakes I've seen of the original silent film).
Sergio Leone was always a personal hero of mine, because of his story-telling abilities. Never considered his "westerns" to be slow, though, much in the same way I never saw Kurosawa's films as slow. Well, excepting some of his lesser pieces in modern settings.
Vertigo is a good film. Terrific, if you ask me. But I always found Harry more enjoyable. I laughed like a drain, the first time I saw it. I thoroughly enjoyed it. It made me feel good, and the film was so cleverly executed that it made me think *why* it made me feel so good. Which is why I analysed it, and picked it apart, because I was heavily involved in making films in those days.
Vertigo, on the other hand, is an excellent thriller but the ending pretty much destroyed it for me, with James Stewart cured at a cost. The symbolism was sickening to me. Don't get me wrong--the film's excellent craftsmanship. It's just that I didn't buy it, in spite of the build-up. It's typical Hitchcock but the conclusion wasn't satisfying to me. Which is why I would never list it as one of my favourites, in spite of the mastery of his craft.
I love down beat endings - lol. I love the ending of 'The Great Silence' ('Il Grande silenzio') greatly - lol. Can't get more downbeat than that. Watched David Lean's magnificent 'Doctor Zhivago' again tonight and that has a lovely down beat ending too. I love the fact that 'Vertigo' bucks the Hollywood trend of the happy ending. Its about destructive obsessive impossible forbidden love... and so, methinks, could not really end any other way. The final act is virtually one long drawn out soul-rape by way of agonising obsession.
I had no problems with Vertigo's downbeat ending--how the girl died, coupled with James Stewart's fear of heights, spoiled it for me, and because that happened a mere seconds before "The End", my disappointment meant more than perhaps it should have.
I have very mixed feelings about Dr Zhivago. I love the Maurice Jarre soundtrack, and the film, as anything by David Lean, is magnificent, but the film is a bit on the slow side. And I would have wanted everyone to speak Russian.
Great Expectations is my favourite David Lean film, along with Lawrence of Arabia.
I think 'The Trouble with Harry' is Hitchcock's most beautiful-looking film. And that opening sequence with the little boy playing in the woods, is absolutely fantastic... possibly my favourite Hitchcock opening. However, regardless as to how delicious a delight it is... I find it hinges on just one major joke... the very trouble with Harry. Sophisticated, but largelly singular and played out for the duration of the movie.
But that, to me, is one of the film's true strengths. Simplicity and precision. One joke is sometimes enough.
In the hands of a lesser Director, it would probably have run out of steam. It is, in the hands of Hitchcock, a magnificent dessert one can enjoy time and time again without it getting old - it was one of Hitchcock's personal favourites, and woefully underrated. It is just that, for me, 'Vertigo' is more of a main course and textured. I wouldn't say any of Hitchcock's films were typical Hitchcock, because he was ever so experimental in what he did. Even quota fillers like 'Dial M for Murder' have a touch of his genius about them... and are not typical. I do not think I could recognise a typical Hitchcock and I have 38 of his movies in my collection.
You've got a lot more of them than I do. I think I have around a dozen or so. :laugh:
Because of our argument, I re-watched 'Vertigo' again last night... trying to be with a more critical eye. The only real criticism I could find with it, is it tends to be a little bit on the talky side - quite a number of talking head sequences... which is causing me to re-evaluate where In put it in the Master's canon. It may stay in number one spot in my opinion, but I'm giving it some more thought. Its certainly got my second favourite Hitchcock opening with that magnificent rooftop chase - but an opening is just an opening - important but not the be all and end all :green:
Vertigo is a child of its time--lots of "talky" movies around that time. I don't know why that is, and it's certainly not a verifiable fact, just an observation of mine from having screened dozens of films from that period. Never bothered me, though. The dialogue is well-written.
Incidentally, most of what I ever will say on this board or elsewhere are just opinions. My opinions. As I said to Lucifer in an email just now, I'm an opinionated twunt.
No. You are more than entitled to your opinions. I'm very opinionated myself. I'd just sooner have had this excellent post of yours nearer the outset. This is a post I can really respect. Attacks on my motivations because my choice happens to go hand in hand with the PCs of some stuffed shirts, does not go down at all well.
Thank you for clarifying that for me--I didn't see you as a PC sort of person before this discussion, and so grossly misinterpreted what you said.
Remember what the critics say about 'Citizen Kane' and I'm not about to suggest we both rate that film highly because of some misplaced political correctness rather than our honest and informed opinions :eyebrows:
Citizen Kane blew my mind away when I first saw it. The acting, editing, the fast-paced story... I could go on. It's not my all-time favourite but it comes close.
Let's stop this, shall we? We both love Goldsmith, and that means a lot in my book. ;)
I quite agree. I'd far sooner have fun discussing movies than the sort of thing we were doing earlier.
Thank you for your excellent explaination of your position and reasons, Odeon. :green:
Thank you for listening.
I'll stop now cos people are turning green all around us. :P
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okay, especially if you make candles out of your earwax. :P
:o Have you been spying on me :o
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okay, especially if you make candles out of your earwax. :P
:o Have you been spying on me :o
moi? but of course, silly.
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okay, especially if you make candles out of your earwax. :P
:o Have you been spying on me :o
moi? but of course, silly.
Oh dear... I'll have to watch that I don't do anything embarrassing while you're flying overhead :lol:
PS... I like you're new Avatar :green:
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okay, especially if you make candles out of your earwax. :P
:o Have you been spying on me :o
moi? but of course, silly.
Oh dear... I'll have to watch that I don't do anything embarrassing while you're flying overhead :lol:
too late, but it's okay - there are loads of spam emails about lengthening your penis, you'll be fine. :thumbup:
PS... I like you're new Avatar :green:
ooooooh, ta - two votes already. :belly:
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Never found Peeping Tom to be much of a slasher movie, either. ;)
I once had a debate on a film-making thread regarding whether 'Psycho' be included among the Slasher genre or not. I maintained that, although the Slasher sub-genre had not been recognised back then, 'Psycho' should be included in the sub-genre because it has all the distinguishing genre indicators.
With 'Peeping Tom' ;) ;) ;) I would agree that its not part of the sub-genre... but is more of an Impaler movie :green: (Part of the roots though - lol)
I love Psycho, though, not because of that shower sequence but because of Anthony Perkins' acting.
I totally agree. Perkins was amazing in the movie. I also like the fact that the principal character... who we identify with as an audience is killed off in the middle of the movie thus transfering the audience eye to the serial killer making him sympathetic. Making we into him. A stroke of pure genius doing that. I think if 'Vertigo' stops being number one among Hitchcock's canon in my eyes, only 'Psycho' could take that place.
My favourite sequence in the entire movie is Marion's car journey. A Director's complete trust in the abilities of his composer :green: Bernard Herrmann alone makes the sequence so brilliant.
Great Expectations is my favourite David Lean film, along with Lawrence of Arabia.
I really will have to revisit David Lean's 'Great Expectations'. My favourite David Lean has to be 'Lawrence of Arabia' beyond a shadow of a doubt... with 'The Bridge Over the River Kwai' as runner up.
Vertigo is a child of its time--lots of "talky" movies around that time. I don't know why that is, and it's certainly not a verifiable fact, just an observation of mine from having screened dozens of films from that period. Never bothered me, though. The dialogue is well-written.
Certainly agreed. However, it was the only fault I could find with 'Vertigo' when, as a result of our debate, I re-watched it with my critical eyes in ;D I suppose the abruptness of the film ending could also be added - which is shares with 'North by Northwest'... a sudden ending when perhaps a little of a story coda might have been preferable. It does finish too suddenly, I agree - especially in light of the pacing of the rest of the movie.
Citizen Kane blew my mind away when I first saw it. The acting, editing, the fast-paced story... I could go on. It's not my all-time favourite but it comes close.
'Citizen Kane'... shuddering at mirroring the common Critics line... is quite possible the best, or one of the best, movies ever made. It isn't my favourite movie ('Link' is), and I prefer 'Touch of Evil' as more enjoyable in Orson Welles' canon... but it is a truly magnificent piece of work worthy, I think, of the vaulted position it holds in film history. :)
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Never found Peeping Tom to be much of a slasher movie, either. ;)
I once had a debate on a film-making thread regarding whether 'Psycho' be included among the Slasher genre or not...
etc.
and there was me, getting right into discussing your penis, too. :(
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okay, especially if you make candles out of your earwax. :P
:o Have you been spying on me :o
moi? but of course, silly.
Oh dear... I'll have to watch that I don't do anything embarrassing while you're flying overhead :lol:
too late, but it's okay - there are loads of spam emails about lengthening your penis, you'll be fine. :thumbup:
I'll have you know I got caught in the branches of that tree purely by complete accident. :-[
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...and there was me, getting right into discussing your penis, too. :(
Shades of the chest burster scene from 'Alien' :o
(http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/Alien_Chestburster-micro-o.jpg)
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/me watches as this train becomes horribly derailed
See, this is what happens when you don't see a movie like War Games. ;)
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Hey I create intro videos for online role play, I think my geek card is quite secure :P
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Hey I create intro videos for online role play, I think my geek card is quite secure :P
Yeah, well.... CARN THE HAWKS!
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My favourite sequence in the entire movie is Marion's car journey. A Director's complete trust in the abilities of his composer :green: Bernard Herrmann alone makes the sequence so brilliant.
One of my favourites in that film, too, and because of that same reason.
It's another trick Spielberg learned from him--trusting his composer completely.
Vertigo is a child of its time--lots of "talky" movies around that time. I don't know why that is, and it's certainly not a verifiable fact, just an observation of mine from having screened dozens of films from that period. Never bothered me, though. The dialogue is well-written.
Certainly agreed. However, it was the only fault I could find with 'Vertigo' when, as a result of our debate, I re-watched it with my critical eyes in ;D I suppose the abruptness of the film ending could also be added - which is shares with 'North by Northwest'... a sudden ending when perhaps a little of a story coda might have been preferable. It does finish too suddenly, I agree - especially in light of the pacing of the rest of the movie.
I love the fact that there's action right until the last few seconds, in both films.
It's very disconcerting for a projectionist, though--I still am nervous when I screen North by Northwest because the reel is about to end but the story still isn't finished. Gets me every time. ;D
Citizen Kane blew my mind away when I first saw it. The acting, editing, the fast-paced story... I could go on. It's not my all-time favourite but it comes close.
'Citizen Kane'... shuddering at mirroring the common Critics line... is quite possible the best, or one of the best, movies ever made. It isn't my favourite movie ('Link' is), and I prefer 'Touch of Evil' as more enjoyable in Orson Welles' canon... but it is a truly magnificent piece of work worthy, I think, of the vaulted position it holds in film history. :)
I love both films. He was a true genius.
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Everyone must see Jurassic World so we can discuss it here. :soapbox: :dino2: Damn right!
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I thought I'd just see what this thread was about--it was some time ago--but ended up reading a lot of it.
So many films I'd urge people to see. I watched Spinal Tap for the umpteenth time earlier today. It's still a great film.
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The Alien quadrilogy is also a must-see. :nerd!:
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^The first two, definitely. I wasn't as fond of #3.
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Johnny Got His Gun
Popeye
Any thing Harry Potter
The Quiet Man
The Lion in Winter
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Dark City
Ghost in the Shell
The Manchurian Candidate (The original, the remake just plain sucks)
Moon
The Cell
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Some of my Favorites
Night Of The Living Dead
The Fog
Carrie
Christine
The Shining
Maximum Overdrive
Cujo
28 Days Later
Psycho
The Birds
Halloween (any of them)
Friday the 13th (GO Jason!!!)
The Happening (reviews are horrible, but love the plot)
Devil
Zombieland
So many new ones I need to see...
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^I see a pattern emerging. :zoinks:
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^I see a pattern emerging. :zoinks:
Some people are always seeing patterns in things. They have a disease, I forget the name of it. :tard: :autism:
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^I see a pattern emerging. :zoinks:
Some people are always seeing patterns in things. They have a disease, I forget the name of it. :tard: :autism:
Do you think it's causing my fever? :o
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How could I forget Dead Snow?
Low rating, but I enjoyed it.
It didn't just have generic old zombies.
They were Nazi zombies. 8)
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How could I forget Dead Snow?
Low rating, but I enjoyed it.
It didn't just have generic old zombies.
They were Nazi zombies. 8)
That one's on Netflix and I've ignore it for a while for some reason, even though I'll usually watch anything zombie that isn't horror comedy. Maybe I'll give it some attention since it made your favorite list. :thumbup:
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I just watched the trailer again and remembered why I haven't watched it, because it's subtitled. I usually watch movies with the subtitles on but I don't read it the whole time, I just like it because sometimes people's words don't sink in right so it's handy to have when that happens. I guess it's a maybe now instead of no. :dunno:
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I just watched the trailer again and remembered why I haven't watched it, because it's subtitled. I usually watch movies with the subtitles on but I don't read it the whole time, I just like it because sometimes people's words don't sink in right so it's handy to have when that happens. I guess it's a maybe now instead of no. :dunno:
Me too. It's kind of comforting to watch TV with someone who has the same thing. It was with someone I knew, anyway. We watched everything with subtitles on.
I AM THE DEVIL!
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I don't like subtitles either.
But I love zombies. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/danny0023/smilies/zombie10.gif)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/danny0023/smilies/zombie06.gif)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/danny0023/smilies/zombie04.gif)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/danny0023/smilies/zombie01.gif)
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I don't like subtitles either.
But I love zombies. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/danny0023/smilies/zombie10.gif)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/danny0023/smilies/zombie06.gif)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/danny0023/smilies/zombie04.gif)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/danny0023/smilies/zombie01.gif)
I'm confused. I thought Gopher and I said we preferred subtitles. :dunno:
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I don't like subtitles either.
But I love zombies. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/danny0023/smilies/zombie10.gif)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/danny0023/smilies/zombie06.gif)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/danny0023/smilies/zombie04.gif)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/danny0023/smilies/zombie01.gif)
I'm confused. I thought Gopher and I said we preferred subtitles. :dunno:
You prefer subtitles. 8)
The gopher has ADHD and turns them on but doesn't always set still to read them so wants sound also.
I don't set still or don't get to set still, so subtitles are normally a :LOL: lost cause here.
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It's kind of comforting to watch TV with someone who has the same thing.
Sugarbutt can't stand them because he can't ignore them. I don't mind though, and I just ask him what happened if I feel like I missed something. :dunno:
The gopher has ADHD and turns them on but doesn't always set still to read them so wants sound also.
I don't set still or don't get to set still, so subtitles are normally a :LOL: lost cause here.
He can't stand watching movies with me because I just can't sit through a movie. The compromise is I get one intermission. When I watch movies by myself, I probably don't ever watch for more than 20 minutes at a time, sometimes I don't even finish them the same day, and sometimes the Netflix continue watching section reminds me I didn't finish it at all. :lol1:
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If I sit through an entire movie it's because:
a. It's something that really, really, really holds my interest (rare) or feeds an obsession (horror).
b. I am trapped in a movie theater.
c. I'm dead...or too sick to move.
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We haven't been to a theater in probably 20 years. For some weird reason he always falls asleep in theaters and I hate sleeping people. :zoinks:
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We haven't been to a theater in probably 20 years. For some weird reason he always falls asleep in theaters and I hate sleeping people. :zoinks:
Same. We used to go to the drive in, but he would fall asleep and that left me driving home at night. I'm okay with that, but I have to crawl...my night vision is horrible.
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We haven't been to a theater in probably 20 years. For some weird reason he always falls asleep in theaters and I hate sleeping people. :zoinks:
Do you stand over them while they sleep like a creepy little assassin? :snooze: :gopher: :trollface:
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We haven't been to a theater in probably 20 years. For some weird reason he always falls asleep in theaters and I hate sleeping people. :zoinks:
Do you stand over them while they sleep like a creepy little assassin? :snooze: :gopher: :trollface:
My favorite is to make a bunch of racket. :zoinks:
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Saw an interview with Elijah Wood this evening. SIN CITY.
Nobody puts QV in a category.