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Title: Pathetic
Post by: Holier Than Thou on February 12, 2007, 12:35:55 AM
I do not think any of you see how utterly pathetic and infantile you look, forming this little clique called the Anti Emo whatever the hell it is. It is even worse to see you, DD, a man of your age and self admitted sensitivity to be engaging in such bullying tactics...which is exactly what this forum appears to be. Nothing to do with AS, and really, quite honestly, Callaway, Kevv and a few others aside, I do not believe most of you are actually AS. Just using the title as an excuse to behave likt overgrown schoolchildren... I find the whole social skills and wrongplanet comment very interesting... Just how is beliittling and bullying those who are struggling a sign of great social skills? More like a sign of an inability to deal with anything NEARING reality. This is your little haven where you can indulge in ignorant behaviour you would never get away with beyond this site...and where you can wear your naughty little schoolboy and schoolgirl masks. I doubt one of you is actually like this in your day to day life... how does it feel having all these different masks? Pretty gutless, I think. It takes a gutless group of people to single others out and come down on them like a tonne weight of shit. Keep your silly little emo labels...but God forbid you should ever resent it when others label you as a bunch of sex crazed, brainless, judgemental, insensitive, shallow and narrow minded ignoramuses. Because that is my label for you, with a few exceptions. I feel sorry for any offspring, is all I can say, for they are in for a rough time indeed. They deserve to have been born to those more deserving, not to mention, more responsible.

Oh, and as a note to the one who claimed to 'like' me. I do not like liars, or people who say things that they do not mean.

I am well and truly glad I am away from this abysmal excuse for a forum. I read some of the comments and cannot believe I associated with such an ignorant bunch of people and that I was misled into believing there might be some semblance of tolerance for individual differences here. Come on, throw out your worst...it is about all most of you have any talent for, in all honesty... that is why it makes you feel so good. You can say the shittiest, nastiest things you can come up with...and feel as if you have accomplished some great task...and then applaud one another like a load of primitive spectators in a gladiators arena. Sad to say, but most of you are remarkably NT in your behaviours. Is it not supposed to be the NTs who bully those who are different? McJ... I bet your daughters will one day wish they did not have such a poor excuse of a man for a father. I find you the most pathetic of all on here... try a taste of your own medicine, you fucking loser. Imagine the only pleasure your wife gets from you is when you fuck her, God knows, you seem to have little capacity for anything else from what I have seen. It is good you are so thick skinned and insensitive as it means your feelings shall remain intact, unlike those of the others you attack. Or, my God, do you even have feelings? Or is an idiot clown all that you are these days? Hmm  :-\  I can spew hate and judgement with the best of them, should it take my fancy... does that make me a member of the club now, or are there suddenly limitations... of course there are, I have to be a member of your gang, your gang.

It is sad that you don't even see it. You can respond with all the bile and acid that you can muster from your little minds, but I have said what I wanted to say and it will be as water of a duck's back...because I have realised, the opinions of bullies are exactly that. Have fun, little anti emo brigade... don't forget to get your little badges of honour made up to show you are a part of this oh so intelligent and insightful little group.  :eyebrows: :laugh:
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: DirtDawg on February 12, 2007, 12:53:12 AM
Why couldn't you speak your mind while you were an active member, Graelwyn? I lost some regard for your sensitivities when you bragged about blocking the people who were asking you questions in the chat, one night. We merely wanted to better understand you and to see that whatever you have chasing you around, you and I mean YOU are dealing with it in a constructive way. No other actions are necessary.

I like you in many ways, Graelwyn, but I won't sit quietly and watch you destroy yourself. You can do that without my help.

If you haven't figured it out my childishness is a large part of who I am.

Why don't you come on back and meet McJ's challenge?
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: Nomaken on February 12, 2007, 02:05:00 AM
Can you intensity critics please lay off the "you're not an AS site!"?  I mean, there is truth in some of what you say... I don't know what because I didn't read beyond the part that said we're not an AS site, but regardless if we aren't a support site, having a large AS population, and talking about AS a lot, and doing our weird aspie crap in our games and such... even if AS isn't the main point of intensity... it is an element of it.
Title: Lamer
Post by: duncvis on February 12, 2007, 04:05:29 AM
 :violin: Coming from an apparently delusional stalker who wants sympathy not advice, and expects everyone to take care not to hurt her wittle feelings, I can't say I'm ashamed of who I am. Not without a self-pitying tear rolling down my cheek.  :'(

It was feeble enough when RobertN was spouting this crap - he at least had the excuse of sheltered youth. What's your excuse for being unwilling to deal with reality and take ownership of your own life choices like an adult, Graelwhine?

Wipe your feet on the way out.
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: Nomaken on February 12, 2007, 05:21:52 AM
Am I the only one who refuses to assume an anonymous poster is someone I know?
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: McGiver on February 12, 2007, 05:51:35 AM
 :puke:
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: duncvis on February 12, 2007, 05:59:22 AM
Am I the only one who refuses to assume an anonymous poster is someone I know?

check the email, divvy...  ::)
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: DirtDawg on February 12, 2007, 07:07:02 AM
I've had a little nap, now, and I'm not feeling quite so generous with you, Holier Than Thou Bitch! Do you want to make this personal? Self admitted sensitivity? What kind of bullshit is that? Insensitivity, maybe - pushing a fucking corpse around for a few days every month is not my idea of being sensitive, you fuckless, drywell cuntfake! Bringing the children into this disagreement will get you nothing but my wrath. At least my kids are valuable to me, which your parents obviously can't claim. You want to deal with some reality, look into that direction for a while. You have a hell of a lot of shit to unpack, before you can judge me, you waste of effort.
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: McGiver on February 12, 2007, 07:21:51 AM
I've had a little nap, now, and I'm not feeling quite so generous with you, Holier Than Thou Bitch! Do you want to make this personal? Self admitted sensitivity? What kind of bullshit is that? Insensitivity, maybe - pushing a fucking corpse around for a few days every month is not my idea of being sensitive, you fuckless, drywell cuntfake! Bringing the children into this disagreement will get you nothing but my wrath. At least my kids are valuable to me, which your parents obviously can't claim. You want to deal with some reality, look into that direction for a while. You have a hell of a lot of shit to unpack, before you can judge me, you waste of effort.

i had to quote this before you began to feel more generous.

i wonder if Nomaken and Kevv will think that you aren't being fair, yet she has every right.


meh, i have alot more to say, but i figured that i would wait until she showed a little more courage.  because what i have to say takes someone with courage to listen to it.
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: DirtDawg on February 12, 2007, 07:33:19 AM
I've had a little nap, now, and I'm not feeling quite so generous with you, Holier Than Thou Bitch! Do you want to make this personal? Self admitted sensitivity? What kind of bullshit is that? Insensitivity, maybe - pushing a fucking corpse around for a few days every month is not my idea of being sensitive, you fuckless, drywell cuntfake! Bringing the children into this disagreement will get you nothing but my wrath. At least my kids are valuable to me, which your parents obviously can't claim. You want to deal with some reality, look into that direction for a while. You have a hell of a lot of shit to unpack, before you can judge me, you waste of effort.

i had to quote this before you began to feel more generous.

i wonder if Nomaken and Kevv will think that you aren't being fair, yet she has every right.


meh, i have alot more to say, but i figured that i would wait until she showed a little more courage.  because what i have to say takes someone with courage to listen to it.

I'm not a sore pussy, McJ. This won't be all better, tomorrow, after some ointment! I'm not taking anything back! I'm not taking back the fact that I like her either, but some of her bullshit rubs me the wrong way. I think she's talented , but she is wasting her time, and ours, by not getting her life straightened out so she can really explore, in depth, those feelings she has, like the rest of us are trying to do. 
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: DirtDawg on February 12, 2007, 07:55:57 AM



i wonder if Nomaken and Kevv will think that you aren't being fair, yet she has every right.


What the fuck does that have to do with anything? I was specifically attacked, along with my life in general, by some self pitying no-life with a low sense of self worth. I can't just let it go, even though I tried, in an effort to be generous. I have pardoned her several times, already, but she burns people's clemency like lamp oil. I'm done with these magnanimous, big brother efforts.
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: Nomaken on February 12, 2007, 07:58:51 AM
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Am I the only one who refuses to assume an anonymous poster is someone I know?

Lemme modify that a little.

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Am I the only one who refuses to assume an anonymous poster is necessarily someone I know?

I think it would be dangerous to assume it is definitely someone I know because it might be someone acting like them trying to make them look worse.  I'm not sure this wasn't done to robert or ascan either.

As for what I think, I don't think anything about what the original poster said or what dirtdawg said.  I scanned the post, seemed filled with flaming(that is not to say anything about its truthfulness), and I didn't bother.  I tried getting ascan and robert to not be so filled with indignant rage, to let the water pass under the bridge and just try to avoid conflict in the future and I failed miserably.

  I have found it is pointless to try to refute the arguments of people so pissed off they go on rants about how everything is wrong with the other person, because no matter how much you prove to them that their points aren't totally accurate, they're still gonna hate the other person.  And no amount of reasoning is going to persuade them that that hate is poorly grounded.

So I think it is just best to ignore huge rants like these, or not take them very seriously.  It is fun poking holes in their arguments though, they are so very pokable.
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: SovaNu on February 12, 2007, 08:02:28 AM
i'm with Noms, how can we know this is the real Graelwyn, it's not like someone's never impersonated her before... ::)

I think she's talented , but she is wasting her time, and ours, by not getting her life straightened out so she can really explore, in depth, those feelings she has, like the rest of us are trying to do. 

i think she has every right to do these things on her own time. she will get well when she is ready, before then it's her right to be as misrable as she chooses. and to me it seems she is trying to be happy.
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: DirtDawg on February 12, 2007, 08:10:53 AM
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As for what I think, I don't think anything about what the original poster said or what dirtdawg said.  I scanned the post, seemed filled with flaming(that is not to say anything about its truthfulness), and I didn't bother.  I tried getting ascan and robert to not be so filled with indignant rage, to let the water pass under the bridge and just try to avoid conflict in the future and I failed miserably.

Are you putting me in the same cup with a couple of tossers who have made total asses of themselves? "You're being mean, Stop it".
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: DirtDawg on February 12, 2007, 08:14:30 AM
i'm with Noms, how can we know this is the real Graelwyn, it's not like someone's never impersonated her before... ::)

I think she's talented , but she is wasting her time, and ours, by not getting her life straightened out so she can really explore, in depth, those feelings she has, like the rest of us are trying to do. 

i think she has every right to do these things on her own time. she will get well when she is ready, before then it's her right to be as misrable as she chooses. and to me it seems she is trying to be happy.

Where is the evidence of this? ... all the whining?  ... or is it the denial?  ... maybe the attack? What supports this view?
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: Nomaken on February 12, 2007, 08:23:24 AM
I think, for her own good, she should stop obsessing over this guy, and she should realize she is kind of stalking him- But if I were her I would totally not want to admit to myself i've been stalking someone, and later in my life I'd rather not remember that I did, so even if it is better that I should stop obsessing, i'd rather figure out how to do it, and not do it, without having it rubbed in my face.

But I don't really think it is my place to tell her how to live.  And I think it is a little unreasonable to expect people to actively try to become fully functioning individuals.  Besides that, she is probably already trying as hard as she can, as all people do.

Just because currently she is having a terrible time doesn't mean she is trying to have a terrible life.  She is probably having a terrible life despite trying as hard as she can to pull her self out of depression.

When your life sucks you need to divert a huge portion of will to keeping yourself from despair and commiting suicide, and there isn't exactly a huge amount left over to devote to self improvement projects.
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: McGiver on February 12, 2007, 08:57:37 AM



i wonder if Nomaken and Kevv will think that you aren't being fair, yet she has every right.


What the fuck does that have to do with anything? I was specifically attacked, along with my life in general, by some self pitying no-life with a low sense of self worth. I can't just let it go, even though I tried, in an effort to be generous. I have pardoned her several times, already, but she burns people's clemency like lamp oil. I'm done with these magnanimous, big brother efforts.

sorry dawg, maybe i wasn't clear.

they have been arguing from the postion (kevv and Nomaken) that it is ok for her to say whatever she wants, but if someone takes offens....as you and i both have regarding our ability to be a parent, we are not allowed to reeact.  or we should be more kind in our response.  even though she was the first one to puch below the belt.

it seems to me as though their argument is that it is only ok for some people to resond, since the right to speak is selective.

the way i see it, you and i have argued from stated facts.  she has argued based upon speculation.  she has no idea what kind of parent we are.  but we do know several things about her, by her own admission.  and we cared enough to address those issues, whereas she decided to take cheap shots at us about things that are personal, and unstated.

i just figured that they would reserve the right to tell you that you are being unecessarily cruel, dispite the facts that state otherwise.
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: ozymandias on February 12, 2007, 09:08:36 AM
As a parent, who's been "questioned" about my parenting.  I definitely agree that the comments made were a cheap shot.  But, as for the individual that I am, I consider the source of those comments and don't see them as worth the rage expended.

Having said that, you both have the right to flame back, I won't say otherwise.  All I'm saying is "consider the source".  You both have something that "Holier than thou" doesn't.

So I'll get out of the way and let you get the rage out of your systems.
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: McGiver on February 12, 2007, 09:10:44 AM
I think, for her own good, she should stop obsessing over this guy, and she should realize she is kind of stalking him- But if I were her I would totally not want to admit to myself i've been stalking someone, and later in my life I'd rather not remember that I did, so even if it is better that I should stop obsessing, i'd rather figure out how to do it, and not do it, without having it rubbed in my face.

But I don't really think it is my place to tell her how to live.  And I think it is a little unreasonable to expect people to actively try to become fully functioning individuals.  Besides that, she is probably already trying as hard as she can, as all people do.



then why post?
perhaps she just wants to be told that everything is ok when clearly it isn't.


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Just because currently she is having a terrible time doesn't mean she is trying to have a terrible life.  She is probably having a terrible life despite trying as hard as she can to pull her self out of depression.

perhaps not.  this statement does nothing to account for the decisions that she is making.  she is sabbatoging herself.  perhaps the role of the martyr is a comfortable place for her.  on that i make no judgement.  because people are free to live their life however they feel comfortable.
i just find it hard to believe, though, that she wasn't reaching out for help.  like the jid who is always getting in trouble on purpose to seek guidance.


by telling her that everything is ok, you are not giving her the help that she is screaming for.
perhaps you are a stalker=no good.
yes, you are a stalker!

perhaps you should consider your living arrangements before you pursue an expensive hobby=no good.
yes, you should consider your living arrangement first!

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When your life sucks you need to divert a huge portion of will to keeping yourself from despair and commiting suicide, and there isn't exactly a huge amount left over to devote to self improvement projects.

a decent start would be to begin to make better decisions....self improvement projects aside.

forgive me but i thought that she could handle this.  she did, afterall, have the courage to overcome her eating disorder.  therefore i thought she was a fighter.  i thought she had the ability to take control over her own life.


about the suicide inference;
a couple of years down the road, when she sees not a shred of improvement....because of people like you who are coddling her....you can have yourself to blame for not speaking frank with her.
kindness, in these situations, are destructive.
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: McGiver on February 12, 2007, 09:11:57 AM
As a parent, who's been "questioned" about my parenting.  I definitely agree that the comments made were a cheap shot.  But, as for the individual that I am, I consider the source of those comments and don't see them as worth the rage expended.

Having said that, you both have the right to flame back, I won't say otherwise.  All I'm saying is "consider the source".  You both have something that "Holier than thou" doesn't.

So I'll get out of the way and let you get the rage out of your systems.

as i age, and learn more about myself, ozy, i hope that i, like you, have the courage to ignore the source.

you are right, and i + you for your post.
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: SovaNu on February 12, 2007, 09:12:43 AM
Where is the evidence of this? ... all the whining?  ... or is it the denial?  ... maybe the attack? What supports this view?

i was just giving you my perspective, i don't need to present evidense for it, you can believe what you want. but i've talked to her and she isn't whiny when i talk to her, and she wasn't all negative here either, there are more sides to her than just sadness.
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: ozymandias on February 12, 2007, 09:22:40 AM
As a parent, who's been "questioned" about my parenting.  I definitely agree that the comments made were a cheap shot.  But, as for the individual that I am, I consider the source of those comments and don't see them as worth the rage expended.

Having said that, you both have the right to flame back, I won't say otherwise.  All I'm saying is "consider the source".  You both have something that "Holier than thou" doesn't.

So I'll get out of the way and let you get the rage out of your systems.

as i age, and learn more about myself, ozy, i hope that i, like you, have the courage to ignore the source.

you are right, and i + you for your post.

It's never easy and never will be!  It's not so much courage as practicality, making the decision as to which fights ARE worth fighting and which are only worth the effort to avoid, like a pile of dogshit on the sidewalk!
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: ozymandias on February 12, 2007, 09:24:27 AM
Where is the evidence of this? ... all the whining?  ... or is it the denial?  ... maybe the attack? What supports this view?

i was just giving you my perspective, i don't need to present evidense for it, you can believe what you want. but i've talked to her and she isn't whiny when i talk to her, and she wasn't all negative here either, there are more sides to her than just sadness.

I concur!
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: purposefulinsanity on February 12, 2007, 09:25:17 AM
I'm not even going to go into the whole how do we even know it is her argument and I'm not going to bother attacking her back (because quite frankly it would be a waste of my time). This is some common sense addressed to her and she can take from it what she will:

  I found some of your behaviour you posted about towards this man quite frightening and you really need to take an emotional step back from the situation before it gets you into trouble.  Look at the situation from the view point of an observer:
   He spoke to you  only once.
   He has made it clear he isn't interested in a relationship with you- no-matter how much you want that to be different there is nothing you can do to change his mind, in fact every thing you do to try change that makes it even more unlikely to happen.
   You follow him, leave letters and poems for him.
    You make sure you're always around when he's walking home, when you know he'll be in the supermarket, etc.

If someone was doing all this to you, despite you making it clear you weren't interested, how would you feel about it?   Would you think it was romantic and that maybe you should give him a chance?  Or would it make you feel uncomfortable, like he was trying to pressure you into something that you didn't want?

You've said yourself that he has referred to you as a stalker- doesn't that tell you something about how your behaviour is making him feel?

I don't know how seriously he is taking it all- but consider this- if you want the police to do something about a situation like this you need to collect evidence (maybe that's why he takes your letters?).  You need to write down all the times the person in question was hanging around you and what clothes they were wearing at the time (maybe that explains what you see as him hovering around you).  If someone tells you they're not interested, implies that your behaviour is making them uncomfortable (by calling you a stalker) then you need to take it seriously.  You need to back off before he gets the police involved.


You can all smite me and flame me to death for this, but it really had to be said.
   
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: The_P on February 12, 2007, 09:26:23 AM
Am I the only one who refuses to assume an anonymous poster is someone I know?

check the email, divvy...  ::)

Nomaken, you're truly a muppet: -1

As for Graelwyn, Intensity is not going to be for everyone, so get over it and move on to a more suitable social atmosphere that caters to your needs. Btw, you are also fucking naive to think that autistics are all intrinsically nice people.

Mel, you're spot on.
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: odeon on February 12, 2007, 10:14:41 AM
P+

Sensible advice.
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: The_P on February 12, 2007, 12:47:43 PM
To RobertN: Intensity is not going to be for everyone, so get over it and move on to a more suitable social atmosphere that caters to your needs. Btw, you are also fucking naive to think that autistics are all intrinsically nice people.

Get over your indignancy please, Robert.

EDIT: Should've led Callaway on by mentioning that I am psychic, since she pm'd me about the viewing guest.
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: Callaway on February 12, 2007, 02:32:37 PM
I do not think any of you see how utterly pathetic and infantile you look, forming this little clique called the Anti Emo whatever the hell it is. It is even worse to see you, DD, a man of your age and self admitted sensitivity to be engaging in such bullying tactics...which is exactly what this forum appears to be. Nothing to do with AS, and really, quite honestly, Callaway, Kevv and a few others aside, I do not believe most of you are actually AS. Just using the title as an excuse to behave likt overgrown schoolchildren... I find the whole social skills and wrongplanet comment very interesting... Just how is beliittling and bullying those who are struggling a sign of great social skills? More like a sign of an inability to deal with anything NEARING reality. This is your little haven where you can indulge in ignorant behaviour you would never get away with beyond this site...and where you can wear your naughty little schoolboy and schoolgirl masks. I doubt one of you is actually like this in your day to day life... how does it feel having all these different masks? Pretty gutless, I think. It takes a gutless group of people to single others out and come down on them like a tonne weight of shit. Keep your silly little emo labels...but God forbid you should ever resent it when others label you as a bunch of sex crazed, brainless, judgemental, insensitive, shallow and narrow minded ignoramuses. Because that is my label for you, with a few exceptions. I feel sorry for any offspring, is all I can say, for they are in for a rough time indeed. They deserve to have been born to those more deserving, not to mention, more responsible.

Oh, and as a note to the one who claimed to 'like' me. I do not like liars, or people who say things that they do not mean.

I am well and truly glad I am away from this abysmal excuse for a forum. I read some of the comments and cannot believe I associated with such an ignorant bunch of people and that I was misled into believing there might be some semblance of tolerance for individual differences here. Come on, throw out your worst...it is about all most of you have any talent for, in all honesty... that is why it makes you feel so good. You can say the shittiest, nastiest things you can come up with...and feel as if you have accomplished some great task...and then applaud one another like a load of primitive spectators in a gladiators arena. Sad to say, but most of you are remarkably NT in your behaviours. Is it not supposed to be the NTs who bully those who are different? McJ... I bet your daughters will one day wish they did not have such a poor excuse of a man for a father. I find you the most pathetic of all on here... try a taste of your own medicine, you fucking loser. Imagine the only pleasure your wife gets from you is when you fuck her, God knows, you seem to have little capacity for anything else from what I have seen. It is good you are so thick skinned and insensitive as it means your feelings shall remain intact, unlike those of the others you attack. Or, my God, do you even have feelings? Or is an idiot clown all that you are these days? Hmm  :-\  I can spew hate and judgement with the best of them, should it take my fancy... does that make me a member of the club now, or are there suddenly limitations... of course there are, I have to be a member of your gang, your gang.

It is sad that you don't even see it. You can respond with all the bile and acid that you can muster from your little minds, but I have said what I wanted to say and it will be as water of a duck's back...because I have realised, the opinions of bullies are exactly that. Have fun, little anti emo brigade... don't forget to get your little badges of honour made up to show you are a part of this oh so intelligent and insightful little group.  :eyebrows: :laugh:


EDIT: Should've led Callaway on by mentioning that I am psychic, since she pm'd me about the viewing guest.

I probably would have fallen for it, P.   :laugh:

To the people who doubt that Graelwyn is "Holier Than Thou", I refer you to this post she made on WP concerning this:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=454194#454194

Quote from: Graelwyn
I told them at Intensity that I do not believe most of them have AS. I did not say that none of them have AS, as that would be untrue as I know a few are officially diagnosed. I do not really wish to carry over business from another forum to this forum. What occurs on Intensity is for Intensity.  :)


As usual, my anti-virus firewall software kicked on to scan my computer just after I went there, so I quoted her post for you just in case your anti-virus software is not up-to-date.

I think it is OK for me to link this thread, because anyone can see it.  I am not using her IP address or any other "admin powers" to know who she is.  Besides, the post from "Holier Than Thou" sounds just like Graelwyn, plus you can see the email address for guest posts.

All that said, I am going to address Graelwyn as herself:

I do like you Graelwyn.  I honestly do.  If you can't understand how I can really like you but not condone some of your behavior, then I'm sorry, but I am still going to speak my mind.

Leave Mr. Wears a Tea Cosy on His Head Guy alone.  From what you have written, he thinks you are stalking him, whether you believe you are or not.  All the stuff you are doing to make him notice you is only going to convince him further that you are stalking him and at this point you have already done everything you can do anyway, so please just leave him alone. 

I hate talking about this, but I had a stalker obsessed with me.  I finally had to go to the police to make him stop.  Thank goodness it worked, because the guy was scaring me.  He would not leave me alone or take no for an answer, which is what you are doing to Mr. Wears a Tea Cosy on His Head Guy.

I don't want the object of your obsession to take this to the police like I finally had to, because the consequences to you if he did would be devastating.  So please just leave him alone.  Stop writing messages to him or paying any attention at all to him.  If you know that he is going to be somewhere at some particular time, don't go there then.  Try your best to avoid him, for your own sake.

I take exception to you saying that I and the other parents here are bad parents just because we don't want to set your feelings above everyone else's feelings.  I love my daughter fiercely.  I am an excellent mother and when you say that "I feel sorry for any offspring, is all I can say, for they are in for a rough time indeed. They deserve to have been born to those more deserving, not to mention, more responsible,"  I take it personally.  I think I am a much better mother for my daughter than anyone else could ever be.  I am very responsible and I take excellent care of her.  I would give my life, if it would save hers.  I think we are very good parents here because we can understand our children better, partly because we have dealt with at least some of what our children are dealing with when we were growing up. 

As for the "I do not believe most of you are actually AS" argument, thanks for leaving Kevv and me and a few others out of that number, but I still say  ::)

Where did you get your credentials for diagnosing people with AS, especially over the internet?
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: Nomaken on February 12, 2007, 02:51:39 PM
Mcjagger:
I don't have an argument.  I have a preference.  I am asking you to be nicer to her than everyone else.  Or I was.  There isn't much point now.

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then why post?
perhaps she just wants to be told that everything is ok when clearly it isn't.

She could just be bitching.  It hurts even worse when you can't complain about what pisses you off.  This may be an instance in which she doesn't want advice, she just wants someone to listen.  And I don't think she wants to be told everything is okay, I think she just wants someone to acknowledge that she is at least in part right, even if it is a small part, and probably not the main part.

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this statement does nothing to account for the decisions that she is making.  she is sabbatoging herself.

Very depressed people, and people who are deprived of any acknowledgement that what they think isn't stupid, and the ability to vent are very prone to sabbotaging themselves.  They prefer to beat people to the punch as it were.  And it is a very difficult(it is addictive) habit to break out of.  Most often it requires people who they dont NEED to beat them to the punch of doing hurtful things to them, so they can get used to the concept that that wont always happen.

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i just find it hard to believe, though, that she wasn't reaching out for help.

She probably is reaching out for help, but I don't think she is the type receptive to 'tough love'.

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a decent start would be to begin to make better decisions

Making better decisions is a self improvement project.

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forgive me but i thought that she could handle this.  she did, afterall, have the courage to overcome her eating disorder.  therefore i thought she was a fighter.  i thought she had the ability to take control over her own life.

I think her eating disorder was overcome pretty coincidentally.  I wouldn't call her a fighter.

It is my belief that when a person gets these kinds of things, they will eventually stop being so pissed off, and start developing the personal strength to not be pissed off by those things in the future, and eventually start up on self improvement projects.
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: AscanRobertNOmega on February 12, 2007, 03:28:13 PM
Well, well, well – what do we have here? Someone accusing IntensitySquared members of bullying? Never! How can that even be conceivable. An absolute abomination that anyone could suggest that they were bullied on such an enlightened website.

Thought police? No. That’s just silly. We all know you have better things to do with your time than go hunting around the internet looking for comments that ex-members have made against the site and link them on here. No, that’s a daft accusation to make against such upstanding, unprejudiced people such as yourselves. And really, I even heard one twat complaining that people were making new threads over the fact they thought he was browsing the site. Honestly, what piffle! How can that possibly be true.
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: DirtDawg on February 12, 2007, 03:47:34 PM

Well, well, well – what do we have here? Someone accusing IntensitySquared members of bullying? Never! How can that even be conceivable. An absolute abomination that anyone could suggest that they were bullied on such an enlightened website.

Thought police? No. That’s just silly. We all know you have better things to do with your time than go hunting around the internet looking for comments that ex-members have made against the site and link them on here. No, that’s a daft accusation to make against such upstanding, unprejudiced people such as yourselves. And really, I even heard one twat complaining that people were making new threads over the fact they thought he was browsing the site. Honestly, what piffle! How can that possibly be true.


Hey, who is on the attack, here, you stupid excuse for a label. Go away!
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: Nomaken on February 12, 2007, 03:52:12 PM
Well, well, well – what do we have here? Someone accusing IntensitySquared members of bullying? Never! How can that even be conceivable. An absolute abomination that anyone could suggest that they were bullied on such an enlightened website.

Thought police? No. That’s just silly. We all know you have better things to do with your time than go hunting around the internet looking for comments that ex-members have made against the site and link them on here. No, that’s a daft accusation to make against such upstanding, unprejudiced people such as yourselves. And really, I even heard one twat complaining that people were making new threads over the fact they thought he was browsing the site. Honestly, what piffle! How can that possibly be true.


I can't tell if what you are saying is pissing me off, or if I am just really hungry.  The two sensations are kind of similiar.
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: odeon on February 12, 2007, 04:12:35 PM
Finally some drama. Our ratings will skyrocket. ;D
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: driftingblizzard on February 12, 2007, 04:13:35 PM
First:  http://www.flamewarriors.com/warriorshtm/innocenceabused.htm  and  http://www.flamewarriors.com/warriorshtm/fragilefemme.htm


Then:   http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/furioustyper.htm   

Now:  http://www.flamewarriors.com/warriorshtm/lonelyguy.htm



Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: Litigious on February 12, 2007, 04:14:33 PM
Graelwyn is on MSN but obviously doesn't want to talk. At least she's not taking the initiative to it.
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: duncvis on February 12, 2007, 04:24:07 PM
I wish I could out the spineless little bastard. Yes, its one of the Ascanians, but I'm not at liberty to say which. :finger:
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: DirtDawg on February 12, 2007, 04:32:08 PM
I've had a little nap, now, and I'm not feeling quite so generous with you, Holier Than Thou Bitch! Do you want to make this personal? Self admitted sensitivity? What kind of bullshit is that? Insensitivity, maybe - pushing a fucking corpse around for a few days every month is not my idea of being sensitive, you fuckless, drywell cuntfake! Bringing the children into this disagreement will get you nothing but my wrath. At least my kids are valuable to me, which your parents obviously can't claim. You want to deal with some reality, look into that direction for a while. You have a hell of a lot of shit to unpack, before you can judge me, you waste of effort.

i had to quote this before you began to feel more generous.

i wonder if Nomaken and Kevv will think that you aren't being fair, yet she has every right.


meh, i have alot more to say, but i figured that i would wait until she showed a little more courage.  because what i have to say takes someone with courage to listen to it.

The more I think about this little "move" of yours, and how you make it sound, the more it pisses me off. Do you think I'm a waffling fence sitter with no real base? Did you ever think that maybe I'm a stable guy with a little more delay in my primer than some-fly-off-the-handle-and-regret-it jerk, who re-thinks everything he does, after the storm, and apologizes to everyone, within earshot to save face?

You're doing the same thing that Nomaken did to me. You're putting me into the same basket with other undependable, inflatable, knee-jerking, softsides. I don't fit in that group.
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: Nomaken on February 12, 2007, 04:48:39 PM
When did I do that?

In other news:

Grael is talking to me on msn.
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: purposefulinsanity on February 12, 2007, 04:59:36 PM

Well, well, well – what do we have here? Someone accusing IntensitySquared members of bullying? Never! How can that even be conceivable. An absolute abomination that anyone could suggest that they were bullied on such an enlightened website.

Thought police? No. That’s just silly. We all know you have better things to do with your time than go hunting around the internet looking for comments that ex-members have made against the site and link them on here. No, that’s a daft accusation to make against such upstanding, unprejudiced people such as yourselves. And really, I even heard one twat complaining that people were making new threads over the fact they thought he was browsing the site. Honestly, what piffle! How can that possibly be true.


Hey, who is on the attack, here, you stupid excuse for a label. Go away!

Hey at least he picked an aptly titled thread to post in :laugh:
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: McGiver on February 12, 2007, 06:21:53 PM
I've had a little nap, now, and I'm not feeling quite so generous with you, Holier Than Thou Bitch! Do you want to make this personal? Self admitted sensitivity? What kind of bullshit is that? Insensitivity, maybe - pushing a fucking corpse around for a few days every month is not my idea of being sensitive, you fuckless, drywell cuntfake! Bringing the children into this disagreement will get you nothing but my wrath. At least my kids are valuable to me, which your parents obviously can't claim. You want to deal with some reality, look into that direction for a while. You have a hell of a lot of shit to unpack, before you can judge me, you waste of effort.

i had to quote this before you began to feel more generous.

i wonder if Nomaken and Kevv will think that you aren't being fair, yet she has every right.


meh, i have alot more to say, but i figured that i would wait until she showed a little more courage.  because what i have to say takes someone with courage to listen to it.

The more I think about this little "move" of yours, and how you make it sound, the more it pisses me off. Do you think I'm a waffling fence sitter with no real base? Did you ever think that maybe I'm a stable guy with a little more delay in my primer than some-fly-off-the-handle-and-regret-it jerk, who re-thinks everything he does, after the storm, and apologizes to everyone, within earshot to save face?

You're doing the same thing that Nomaken did to me. You're putting me into the same basket with other undependable, inflatable, knee-jerking, softsides. I don't fit in that group.

it is my opinion that we all waffle from time to time.  i am no exception.

would it have sat better with you if i had simply wrote quoted for truth?
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: ozymandias on February 12, 2007, 06:28:55 PM
Sometimes the "simple" way is the best way!  I live by the K.I.S.S. principle!
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: McGiver on February 12, 2007, 06:30:30 PM
rock and roll all night?
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: ozymandias on February 12, 2007, 07:02:48 PM
rock and roll all night?

Yeah, something like that,  ::)
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: DirtDawg on February 12, 2007, 08:30:36 PM

i had to quote this before you began to feel more generous.


I interpretted this as a kind of gouge, because you felt the need to safeguard something I had said against the possibility of me flipflopping and removing it, from my having posted something after giving it very little forethought. I'm not flipflopping. I have progressively congealed and solidified my exterior against the damage a person like her can do to someone like me.

I was using a good amount of my resolve to not be rude to her, until the depth of her insults sunk in to me. Call me slow, but when she said I did not deserve to have my kids, I was done thinking about it and all my remaining malleability was hammered out, by that comment. The fact that you don't seem to understand that is the annoying thing, I guess. And if you do get that, then something along the lines of "What took you so long, asshole?" would be a better approach, with me, than an implication that I can't be trusted.


Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: McGiver on February 12, 2007, 08:43:45 PM
i agree with you that the comment about OUR children was over the top.

it was the very thing that caused me to be blunt with her in the first place.  so i can understand that you are feeling angry right now.  so am i.  putting things a better way is not my strong point.  so i apologise if i offended you.

if it is more than that, then you are free to call me out on whatever it is that is really bothering you.  if anything.
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: DirtDawg on February 12, 2007, 08:56:51 PM
i agree with you that the comment about OUR children was over the top.

it was the very thing that caused me to be blunt with her in the first place.  so i can understand that you are feeling angry right now.  so am i.  putting things a better way is not my strong point.  so i apologise if i offended you.

if it is more than that, then you are free to call me out on whatever it is that is really bothering you.  if anything.

I think I spelled it out fairly well with my previous post. I even typed it slowly, for you.  :laugh:

I think we understand each other. If I read too much into it, then that's one of my shortcomings.
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: McGiver on February 12, 2007, 09:03:08 PM
i appreciate that.  sometimes i think i need a two way translator.  :-[
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: Callaway on February 12, 2007, 09:03:47 PM
I was using a good amount of my resolve to not be rude to her, until the depth of her insults sunk in to me. Call me slow, but when she said I did not deserve to have my kids, I was done thinking about it and all my remaining malleability was hammered out, by that comment.

i agree with you that the comment about OUR children was over the top.

I feel sorry for any offspring, is all I can say, for they are in for a rough time indeed. They deserve to have been born to those more deserving, not to mention, more responsible.

Graelwyn's comment that we did not deserve to have our children and we were bad irresponsible parents, I guess because we were not more "sensitive" to her feelings, got to me as well.  I find it ironic that someone who demands so much sensitivity for her own feelings has so little sensitivity for the feelings of others.
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: McGiver on February 12, 2007, 09:07:40 PM
I was using a good amount of my resolve to not be rude to her, until the depth of her insults sunk in to me. Call me slow, but when she said I did not deserve to have my kids, I was done thinking about it and all my remaining malleability was hammered out, by that comment.

i agree with you that the comment about OUR children was over the top.

I feel sorry for any offspring, is all I can say, for they are in for a rough time indeed. They deserve to have been born to those more deserving, not to mention, more responsible.

Graelwyn's comment that we did not deserve to have our children and we were bad irresponsible parents, I guess because we were not more "sensitive" to her feelings, got to me as well.  I find it ironic that someone who demands so much sensitivity for her own feelings has so little sensitivity for the feelings of others.

and it would seem reasonable that we would have alot more of an emotional attachment/investment in our own children than some online personality.
of course we are going to be more sensitive to the needs of our own children.  and if we are ill equipped to give them what they need, we are alot more motivated to find solutions.
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: odeon on February 13, 2007, 03:39:02 AM
I got pretty mad, reading that comment. Still, the loss is hers. She doesn't have kids and isn't likely to have any, since she stalks the guy she wants to have them with. ::)

I think I'm a good parent. I try to do my best, anyway, and so far it looks like my kids don't hate me.
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: Tom/Mutate on May 17, 2007, 04:40:10 PM
Lets face it, all she needed was Lits toungue up her arse, to loosen her up.
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: Litigious on May 17, 2007, 04:43:03 PM
 :P
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: McGiver on May 17, 2007, 04:43:23 PM
Lets face it, all she needed was Lits toungue up her arse, to loosen her up.
but lit likes it the other way around.
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: Litigious on May 17, 2007, 04:44:59 PM
Lets face it, all she needed was Lits toungue up her arse, to loosen her up.
but lit likes it the other way around.

I like both, though not much beats having a young girl lick my arse and say what I had for breakfast.  8)
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: McGiver on May 17, 2007, 04:48:59 PM
Lets face it, all she needed was Lits toungue up her arse, to loosen her up.
but lit likes it the other way around.

I like both, though not much beats having a young girl lick my arse and say what I had for breakfast.  8)
what about an old girl like graelwyn?
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: Litigious on May 17, 2007, 04:54:50 PM
Lets face it, all she needed was Lits toungue up her arse, to loosen her up.
but lit likes it the other way around.

I like both, though not much beats having a young girl lick my arse and say what I had for breakfast.  8)
what about an old girl like graelwyn?

I wouldn't mind. And I think she needs to taste my arse.  Seems starved for really good sex. 8)
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: McGiver on May 17, 2007, 04:55:47 PM
Lets face it, all she needed was Lits toungue up her arse, to loosen her up.
but lit likes it the other way around.

I like both, though not much beats having a young girl lick my arse and say what I had for breakfast.  8)
what about an old girl like graelwyn?

I wouldn't mind. And I think she needs to taste my arse.  Seems starved for really good sex. 8)
uptight people always need a good hard fucking.
Title: Re: Pathetic
Post by: Calandale on May 22, 2007, 03:17:02 AM
Pathos is a beautiful thing.