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Title: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: odeon on April 08, 2013, 12:58:22 PM
Margaret Thatcher died today. Thoughts?

I liked her, I have to say. Not necessarily her politics, but I think she was far more competent at her job than some of her successors.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: Icequeen on April 08, 2013, 01:11:29 PM
RIP  :(

I may not have agreed with her politics at times, but an iron lady she was, and for that I admired her.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: El-Presidente on April 08, 2013, 01:54:51 PM
Margaret Thatcher died today. Thoughts?

I liked her, I have to say. Not necessarily her politics, but I think she was far more competent at her job than some of her successors.

She was a divisive lady thats for sure. She certainly deserves her place in history though.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 08, 2013, 06:10:55 PM
"ding dong the witch is dead"  sing many ex mining families up and down the country!

I HATED the bitch with a passion.  She HAD a rare opportunity.  She COULD have made much progress in pushing women forward in politics.  How many women were in her cabinet?  How many did she promote?  FUCK ALL



Let's look at what she did, or didn't do -

* One word  "MINERS"  She fucked them over good and proper.

*She escalated the troubles in Northern Ireland.  She could have prevented so many deaths (Bobby Sands comes to mind)   She was an ignorant self righteous bitch who didn't want to bother.  Peace was achievable.  As proved by Tony Blair and i have to include John Major too.   

*She did fuck all for women.  She did fuck all for human rights.  She was a MONSTER not a mother.

* Infamous "Poll Tax"  -  not one of her better policies!

*She tried to break the link of dirty hands!  Trampled over the trade unions.  Increased the rich/poor divide.

God this monster even took away the free little bottle of milk every child at school had daily.  I recall the comments now "Thatcher, the milk snatcher"  :zoinks:

I think the world stage remembers the Falklands conflict, and that must be where the 'iron' and the 'respect' for her comes from.  She acted as any PM would.  In other words 'she did her job'.  Big deal. 

Anyway, i don't care if i speak ill of the dead.  I am glad she no longer walks this earth.  I am glad she was 'troubled' in her final years.  She deserves to be.  Surprised if she found any peace at all after what she has done. 

Some folks do not deserve to RIP 
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: skyblue1 on April 08, 2013, 06:20:23 PM
She said Feminism was poison

She also schemed to privatize health care
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: McGiver on April 08, 2013, 07:00:06 PM
Bodie, was your dad a miner?

One of my main political issues is labor.  The Iron Lady was a whore of the oligarchy.  She did shit for labor.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 08, 2013, 07:31:06 PM
No, my Dad worked for Lucas all his life in a factory.  He was a trade union man, though.  We had family in Nottingham and Yorkshire that were affected badly by the pit closures.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: McGiver on April 08, 2013, 07:51:37 PM
11 years as pm unemployment was over 10 1/2% for half her tenure.

"She decided that when she wrote off our manufacturing industry that she could live with two or three million unemployed," ---Ken Livingstone, former London Mayor.

Childhood poverty rose during her tenure, when she left office nearly 1/3 of all children were living in poverty.

She promoted the failed trickle down economics by which she shifted the tax burden from the wealthy to the poor. 
Remember her 1990 poll tax?  Which is a huge advantage for he wealthy. It keeps the poor from voting.

She refused sanctions against south Africa's apartheid.  Called Nelson mandellas party a terrorist organization.


THE WORLD IS A BETTER PLACE NOW THAT THiIS BITCH IS DEAD.  MAY SHE BURN IN HELL...unfortunately hell doesn't exist.
GFY, thatcher.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: McGiver on April 08, 2013, 07:55:06 PM
I wonder if we should privatize her funeral.  Give the contract to the lowest bidder. 
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: skyblue1 on April 08, 2013, 08:00:09 PM
I wonder if we should privatize her funeral.  Give the contract to the lowest bidder.
She will be given military honors at her funeral
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: odeon on April 08, 2013, 11:07:44 PM
I think the world stage remembers the Falklands conflict, and that must be where the 'iron' and the 'respect' for her comes from.  She acted as any PM would.  In other words 'she did her job'.  Big deal.   

Come to think of it, it is a big deal. Some might lie about weapons of mass destruction to create a war or stay cowards and do nothing when there is an actual reason to go to war.

She was very much a product of her time. Nope, she was never one to help the poor get by, but I do think she did a lot for Britain's economy.

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I HATED the bitch with a passion.  She HAD a rare opportunity.  She COULD have made much progress in pushing women forward in politics.  How many women were in her cabinet?  How many did she promote?  FUCK ALL

You're perfectly right.

But I wonder. If a man comes to power, no one expects him to promote anyone but himself or perhaps his friends because that's what men do, that's what politicians do and it's a good reason for not trusting a single one of them.

When a woman rises to a position of power, OTOH, she is expected to help all of her gender or she is seen as a traitor rather than simply another politician. I find that very interesting.

I don't believe in justice and fairness; I think anyone expecting it is bound to be disappointed because it's not what the world is like. I believe in equal rights to be a selfish bastard and deserve whatever karma you get, however. Thatcher was like anyone else in that respect but got further than most doing it, and for that I admire her.

"Iron Lady" came from the Soviets, btw.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: 'andersom' on April 08, 2013, 11:43:55 PM
Maggie was the source of some great music and literature.

Read "The Centuries Daughter" of Pat Barker a while ago. It was as if I could smell the way the UK smelled during the Thatcherian era.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 09, 2013, 02:37:08 AM
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Come to think of it, it is a big deal. Some might lie about weapons of mass destruction to create a war or stay cowards and do nothing when there is an actual reason to go to war.

She was very much a product of her time. Nope, she was never one to help the poor get by, but I do think she did a lot for Britain's economy.

I am just saying it was her job to defend the Falklands.  I am not surprised she was able to do this because she ignored other area's of her job - Northern Ireland for example.  What other job could you get away with completely blundering a large area of your responsibility?  In fact she amplified the troubles.   Her performance over the Falklands was swift and ended favourably.  She could have made a little more effort closer to home.

She was not squeeky clean.  She deceived the miner's for months about her long time plans for the pit closures.  She was as slippery as the othrs.

Also, the way she lied to the hunger strikers.  How she dealt with that matter, and the surrounding issues of the poor treatment  of prisoners over there was completely unforgivable.  I hope those memories haunted her in her final months.


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but I do think she did a lot for Britain's economy.
... care to elaborate?  I can't think of anything.  Certainly wasn't manufacturing!



 
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You're perfectly right.

But I wonder. If a man comes to power, no one expects him to promote anyone but himself or perhaps his friends because that's what men do, that's what politicians do and it's a good reason for not trusting a single one of them.

When a woman rises to a position of power, OTOH, she is expected to help all of her gender or she is seen as a traitor rather than simply another politician. I find that very interesting.

I don't believe in justice and fairness; I think anyone expecting it is bound to be disappointed because it's not what the world is like. I believe in equal rights to be a selfish bastard and deserve whatever karma you get, however. Thatcher was like anyone else in that respect but got further than most doing it, and for that I admire her.

"Iron Lady" came from the Soviets, btw.
I am not really into the feminist movement.  I do think that back in her time there were many obvious inequalities.  The low number of women with any positions of power was a very obvious one that she was in a position to adjust.  John Major managed to appoint several women in his cabinet in his subsequent government.  So, why did she avoid this?  She revelled in her unique position.  There was no room for other females.  Another female would not have been seen by her as an ally, as it would be the case with most women.  Another female would have been competition. 

I find it interesting too,  not the fact that i mention it but the fact that she never bothered.  We are not talking about 'some group' but we are talking about half of the population. 

I only mentioned it because i have been hearing a lot of 'well wishers' on the news comment about her and what she has done 'for women'   It makes me sick.


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"Iron Lady" came from the Soviets, btw.
  Ok, ok,  but the other title of  'Lady Thatcher' is the one that amuses me!  It sounds like something you buy on the internet for women to attend to their bikini area.  A discreet gardening device! the lady thatcher!   hehehehe  :zoinks:



Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 09, 2013, 02:41:15 AM
11 years as pm unemployment was over 10 1/2% for half her tenure.

"She decided that when she wrote off our manufacturing industry that she could live with two or three million unemployed," ---Ken Livingstone, former London Mayor.

Childhood poverty rose during her tenure, when she left office nearly 1/3 of all children were living in poverty.

She promoted the failed trickle down economics by which she shifted the tax burden from the wealthy to the poor. 
Remember her 1990 poll tax?  Which is a huge advantage for he wealthy. It keeps the poor from voting.

She refused sanctions against south Africa's apartheid.  Called Nelson mandellas party a terrorist organization.


THE WORLD IS A BETTER PLACE NOW THAT THiIS BITCH IS DEAD.  MAY SHE BURN IN HELL...unfortunately hell doesn't exist.
GFY, thatcher.

Yes!  The poll tax was a disgusting effort to rape the poor.  A lot of people were thrown in jail because of this :viking:
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: 'andersom' on April 09, 2013, 03:04:45 AM
I think Maggie left a hard legacy to the UK.

Maybe she did some quick fixes for economy from some perspectives.
But she also took hope from a huge part of the nation. It's not that hard to take hope away, if you have enough years to do so, like she had. But now to motivate people back to hope and to action, that's nearly impossible. Multiple generations of unemployment and hopelessness drains a nation, and I do not mean financially, however costly it may be.  And that is a lot worse for the economy than any benefit she may have brought.

As for a feminist example, yeah, it was good she was around. She showed the "Johanna's" that women are not a better species compared to men. And, she showed the whole world that a woman can be as powerful as any man.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: McGiver on April 09, 2013, 01:24:31 PM
Once agin, fuckvthat bitch.
She didn't break any glass ceilings she simply played along.  And if anything she replaced the glass with plexiglass. 
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: odeon on April 09, 2013, 03:11:35 PM
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but I do think she did a lot for Britain's economy.
... care to elaborate?  I can't think of anything.  Certainly wasn't manufacturing!

As I understand it, manufacturing had been on the decline for a decade when Thatcher came into power. The rate of decline actually slowed down slightly while she was PM but accelerated again afterwards. Not something I'd use to prove anything, but it is an interesting fact.

As for the economy, I found this image from The Economist, showing real disposable household income:

(http://media.economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/full-width/images/2013/04/blogs/graphic-detail/20130413_gdc402_1.png)

Also check the budget balance in the second graph.

The article is here (http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2013/04/daily-chart-5).
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 09, 2013, 04:28:21 PM
Well, i grew up in the Thatcher years.  They were grim.  I know.  I was there.

The graphs you posted have a major flaw.  They do not show the huge north/south divide.  For example, take the Yorkshire ward of 'Heaton,' and compare it to  Thatchers 'Finchley' and you will see that one was booming under her reign and one was a ghost town of closed factories and high unemployment.

The millions of unemployed during her term were mainly north of the Watford Gap and therefore don't matter?

There are two halves of the UK.  Your graphs do not show this


I think this one sums it up
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/66812000/gif/_66812021_unemployment_2.gif)
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 09, 2013, 04:38:30 PM
Anyway, i don't HATE her because of her economic blunders.  Forgiveable.

I HATE her because of her lack of humanity, her lack of compassion, and her lack of moral fibre.  I HATE the person she was.

Some might say she was 'focused' and i would say she was 'blinkered'

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter :viking:
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: odeon on April 09, 2013, 04:53:32 PM
Well, i grew up in the Thatcher years.  They were grim.  I know.  I was there.

The graphs you posted have a major flaw.  They do not show the huge north/south divide.  For example, take the Yorkshire ward of 'Heaton,' and compare it to  Thatchers 'Finchley' and you will see that one was booming under her reign and one was a ghost town of closed factories and high unemployment.

The millions of unemployed during her term were mainly north of the Watford Gap and therefore don't matter?

There are two halves of the UK.  Your graphs do not show this


I think this one sums it up
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/66812000/gif/_66812021_unemployment_2.gif)

The graphs I linked to only show a summary for the whole nation. Take that summary for what it is. It does not include unemployment, and it does not in any way visualise the social divide.

I wonder what would have happened to the UK without her.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: McGiver on April 09, 2013, 05:05:28 PM
I'm wondering if he disposable income point s a bit disingenuous.
If she lowered taxes (especially on the rich) and the graph is a total percentage f all disposable income it says nothing about he plight if the common man.

And if she also tried to privatize everything, meaning less government revenue combined with less government programs (useful to those in poverty) then all she has done is transfer all the wealth from the bottom and the middle to the top.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 09, 2013, 05:28:09 PM
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I wonder what would have happened to the UK without her.

A good question.  Perhaps her rise to power prevented some other catastrophe  :dunno:

'Ding dong the witch is dead 'is flying up the charts.  People are having parties to
celebrate her death!  She was not as popular as the media reports.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 09, 2013, 06:24:37 PM
I'm wondering if he disposable income point s a bit disingenuous.
If she lowered taxes (especially on the rich) and the graph is a total percentage f all disposable income it says nothing about he plight if the common man.

And if she also tried to privatize everything, meaning less government revenue combined with less government programs (useful to those in poverty) then all she has done is transfer all the wealth from the bottom and the middle to the top.

As ridiculous as it sounds,  she appeared to do her utmost to break the common man.  Before she was elected she had a very deep hatred for miners, trade unions, and any group that stood to represent a fair wage and equal opportunity.  She was determined to cut inflation and her methods forced high unemployment.  She hacked away at the benefits of those unemployed too.  She introduced a 'right to buy' scheme on council houses but neglected to replace or build any new ones which caused a severe shortage of housing.  The common man was then either forced to rent overpriced dwellings from the growing number of private landlords or it was cardboard city.  Her unemployment figures are abysmal anyway but you hav to bear in mind they would have been worse if not for the YTS scheme which forced all the 16-21 year olds off the dole and working for a mickey mouse wage!  Cheap labour for employers.  Yup, along with the poll tax, she did her best to trample over the common man.

My deep rooted hatred of her really stems from the way she treated the hunger strikers in Northern Ireland.  I could never like the woman after that.  That was pure evil.  She was a CUNT.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: Bastet on April 09, 2013, 10:52:27 PM
I wonder if some people with dig up her corpse and set it on fire. Or pose it in pics on the interwebs.  :hahaha:
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: odeon on April 09, 2013, 10:53:13 PM
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I wonder what would have happened to the UK without her.

A good question.  Perhaps her rise to power prevented some other catastrophe  :dunno:

'Ding dong the witch is dead 'is flying up the charts.  People are having parties to
celebrate her death!  She was not as popular as the media reports.

I suspect the transformation of the UK into a net importer of goods would have happened anyway. It wasn't her fault even though she did little to stop it, in hindsight.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: odeon on April 09, 2013, 11:05:56 PM
I'm wondering if he disposable income point s a bit disingenuous.
If she lowered taxes (especially on the rich) and the graph is a total percentage f all disposable income it says nothing about he plight if the common man.

And if she also tried to privatize everything, meaning less government revenue combined with less government programs (useful to those in poverty) then all she has done is transfer all the wealth from the bottom and the middle to the top.

This article (http://www.jrf.org.uk/publications/poverty-and-wealth-across-britain-1968-2005) somewhat supports your notion but is inconclusive. It could be interpreted either way, actually. It depends on just how wealthy the filthy rich are and how many they are.

I read a headline just now, somewhere, that "she saved Britain's economy but at too high a cost". I would like to know.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: RageBeoulve on April 10, 2013, 10:46:58 AM
"ding dong the witch is dead"  sing many ex mining families up and down the country!

I HATED the bitch with a passion.  She HAD a rare opportunity.  She COULD have made much progress in pushing women forward in politics.  How many women were in her cabinet?  How many did she promote?  FUCK ALL



Let's look at what she did, or didn't do -

* One word  "MINERS"  She fucked them over good and proper.

*She escalated the troubles in Northern Ireland.  She could have prevented so many deaths (Bobby Sands comes to mind)   She was an ignorant self righteous bitch who didn't want to bother.  Peace was achievable.  As proved by Tony Blair and i have to include John Major too.   

*She did fuck all for women.  She did fuck all for human rights.  She was a MONSTER not a mother.

* Infamous "Poll Tax"  -  not one of her better policies!

*She tried to break the link of dirty hands!  Trampled over the trade unions.  Increased the rich/poor divide.

God this monster even took away the free little bottle of milk every child at school had daily.  I recall the comments now "Thatcher, the milk snatcher"  :zoinks:

I think the world stage remembers the Falklands conflict, and that must be where the 'iron' and the 'respect' for her comes from.  She acted as any PM would.  In other words 'she did her job'.  Big deal. 

Anyway, i don't care if i speak ill of the dead.  I am glad she no longer walks this earth.  I am glad she was 'troubled' in her final years.  She deserves to be.  Surprised if she found any peace at all after what she has done. 

Some folks do not deserve to RIP

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Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 10, 2013, 01:05:17 PM
 :laugh:
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: RageBeoulve on April 10, 2013, 01:35:11 PM
 :zoinks:
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: McGiver on April 10, 2013, 01:42:31 PM
 :pee: dead thatcher
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: Bastet on April 10, 2013, 01:45:02 PM
:pee: dead thatcher

That goes double for Jimmy Savile.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: McGiver on April 10, 2013, 01:47:01 PM
That is by far the best emoticon that I have ever seen.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 10, 2013, 02:00:48 PM
I remember something else she done,  real bitchy.

She changed the category on tampax, tampons etc from Necessity to Luxury items which caused them to be subject to VAT.

I rest my case.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: Bastet on April 10, 2013, 02:03:16 PM
I remember something else she done,  real bitchy.

She changed the category on tampax, tampons etc from Necessity to Luxury items which caused them to be subject to VAT.

I rest my case.

She was jealous because her kooter was too dry and shriveled to get anything in there. Even a vat of KY jelly wouldn't help the crone.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: McGiver on April 10, 2013, 02:04:21 PM
I remember something else she done,  real bitchy.

She changed the category on tampax, tampons etc from Necessity to Luxury items which caused them to be subject to VAT.

I rest my case.
subject to a VAG?
I can't use them in my arse?
 :moon:
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: odeon on April 10, 2013, 11:17:32 PM
I remember something else she done,  real bitchy.

She changed the category on tampax, tampons etc from Necessity to Luxury items which caused them to be subject to VAT.

I rest my case.

Britain's a very primitive country when it comes to all this.

*Everything* in Sweden is subject to some kind of tax.  :M
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 11, 2013, 03:40:20 AM
she took our milk too  :o
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: 'andersom' on April 11, 2013, 05:07:05 AM
Almost everything is taxed here, apart from free air. There are two levels of our version of the VAT though. Tampons have the low 6% tax.

Belgium, Sweden, Finland and Denmark want 21% or more profit over our monthly misery.  :zombiefuck:
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: odeon on April 11, 2013, 10:55:35 AM
Thatcher was in no way unique in that respect.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: TheoK on April 11, 2013, 11:46:15 AM
I don't think she was worse than most politicians. She was also very honest, unlike most politicians.

She was very hated in Sweden, of course. I have seen "The witch is dead" and similar hundreds of times on Swedish boards since she died.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: McGiver on April 11, 2013, 02:14:49 PM
I don't think she was worse than most politicians. She was also very honest, unlike most politicians.

She was very hated in Sweden, of course. I have seen "The witch is dead" and similar hundreds of times on Swedish boards since she died.
FUCK. THAT. BITCH.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 11, 2013, 02:43:24 PM
During the war in the Falklands, Thatcher had declared an exclusion zone of 200 nautical miles around the islands.  She decided to sink the Argentine ship the Belgrano, despite it being 30 - 40 miles outside the exclusion zone that she had imposed.  The ship was on a course bound for 'home'.  Several hundred died, some were only 18/ 19 years old.

She played dirty.  As a Brit, and someone who supports the defence of the Falklands, i can honestly say she should not have sank the Belgrano at that time. 
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 11, 2013, 03:01:57 PM
Now, we find out it is going to cost £10 million for the old hag's funeral.  AT THE COST OF THE TAXPAYER !!

FFS, most people who die here get the funeral bill sent to the family/next of kin.  Oh yeah, silly me, i forgot that the two children she raised as an inconvenience to herself have had fuck all to do with her in her final years.   :zoinks:

 
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: Scrapheap on April 11, 2013, 03:59:18 PM
http://now.msn.com/margaret-thatcher-death-puts-wizard-of-oz-song-in-top-ten-for-uk-singles (http://now.msn.com/margaret-thatcher-death-puts-wizard-of-oz-song-in-top-ten-for-uk-singles)


:LMAO:
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 11, 2013, 04:15:21 PM
The Smith's wrote a song about her years ago,  called "Margaret on the Guillotine" and i hear that will also be entering the charts this week :zoinks:
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: Scrapheap on April 11, 2013, 04:25:42 PM
The Smith's wrote a song about her years ago,  called "Margaret on the Guillotine" and i hear that will also be entering the charts this week :zoinks:

If only Americans had the good sense to feel the same about Ronald Reagan.  :-\

Although I guess he wasn't as bad.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: skyblue1 on April 11, 2013, 04:53:39 PM
The Smith's wrote a song about her years ago,  called "Margaret on the Guillotine" and i hear that will also be entering the charts this week :zoinks:

If only Americans had the good sense to feel the same about Ronald Reagan.  :-\

Although I guess he wasn't as bad.
Reagan and Thatcher enabled each other :thumbdn:
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: Bastet on April 11, 2013, 05:17:42 PM
The Smith's wrote a song about her years ago,  called "Margaret on the Guillotine" and i hear that will also be entering the charts this week :zoinks:

If only Americans had the good sense to feel the same about Ronald Reagan.  :-\

Although I guess he wasn't as bad.

I hated Raygun. I hate them all.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 11, 2013, 05:25:26 PM
The image i have of Reagan is that he was not the sharpest tool in the box.  I don't know much about him. It's just the way he was portrayed here.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: McGiver on April 11, 2013, 05:27:26 PM
Reagan and thatchers legacy lives on.  Just look at the gap between the haves and the have nots.
They were both useful puppets to the oligarchy.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: odeon on April 11, 2013, 11:20:09 PM
Neither was stupid. Unlike Bush Jr who is stupid for real, Reagan had other problems. And he had some fairly good advisers.

Roger Waters hated Thatcher with a passion, I believe. I've had Pink Floyd's The Final Cut playing in my earphones some, lately.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: odeon on April 11, 2013, 11:21:39 PM
During the war in the Falklands, Thatcher had declared an exclusion zone of 200 nautical miles around the islands.  She decided to sink the Argentine ship the Belgrano, despite it being 30 - 40 miles outside the exclusion zone that she had imposed.  The ship was on a course bound for 'home'.  Several hundred died, some were only 18/ 19 years old.

She played dirty.  As a Brit, and someone who supports the defence of the Falklands, i can honestly say she should not have sank the Belgrano at that time.

I remember that being discussed a lot at the time.

No, she should not have. I think she did it for the same reasons the US dropped the bomb on Hiroshima.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 12, 2013, 01:34:43 AM
It makes a mockery of the UN,  if you have an active role in making up the rules, of how to conduct yourself during a conflict, then go ahead and break those rules. 

Those lives were irrelevant to her.  She spent her career destroying lives.  She ripped the heart out of many communities.  All those people she put on the dole.  They were irrelevant.  They weren't worth making contingency plans for.  They were mere  cannon fodder or guppy chow (i just like saying guppy chow)  She took away peoples dignity, and hope and then mocked them for being on welfare.

She was resolute and unmoveable on Northern Ireland.  She lacked vision and her mind was closed.  She condemned many to die in doing so.   

Irony for the Iron Lady.  She coined a phrase, when talking of the IRA  "Murder is Murder is Murder"  hmm i wonder if she said this before or after she murdered 400 people on the Belgrano?

She was not squeeky clean, or honest,  IMO.  Maggie had blood on her hands.  Murder is murder is murder.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: TheoK on April 12, 2013, 01:41:19 AM
That's why anarchism is the only just system. In an anarchy psychopaths can't get the power that they get in a dictatorship or "democracy".
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 12, 2013, 01:49:10 AM
I prefer my dick taters like this
(http://djwanker.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/24-dictator-dicktator.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: TheoK on April 12, 2013, 01:49:44 AM
 :orly:
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: odeon on April 12, 2013, 11:41:51 AM
It makes a mockery of the UN,  if you have an active role in making up the rules, of how to conduct yourself during a conflict, then go ahead and break those rules. 

That's not just Maggie. Everyone does it. Our willingness to defend democratic principles depends largely on the natural resources and strategical relevance of the country under threat.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 12, 2013, 05:04:04 PM
I am very peeved with the current government who are portraying her as some kind of saint.   So far we have been slapped with a ten million quid funeral bill for a woman who is despised so much and by so many.  Sling it's carcass in the Thames!

Then i hear that some police sarge has had to quit his job because he posted insults about Maggie on Twitter.  He was exposed by that tory rag called the Daily Mail.  I would not normally be bothered about a pig, but c'mon?

Oh and the spineless institution known as  the BBC have said they won't play the number one position on the chart this week because it is inappropriate?  wtf?

In the next  breath the gov criticise North Korea for telling it's people what to do?

Pot. kettle.and black.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: skyblue1 on April 12, 2013, 05:34:17 PM
Thatcher followed suit with what the US was doing at the time

The damage from those years is very apparent here, and has been for a number of years.

Its down with the people and up with the elite.

So, how can we ( the US) say anything derogatory about her without being hypocrites.


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Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: McGiver on April 12, 2013, 05:46:53 PM
Thatcher followed suit with what the US was doing at the time

The damage from those years is very apparent here, and has been for a number of years.

Its down with the people and up with the elite.

So, how can we ( the US) say anything derogatory about her without being hypocrites.


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if you voted for he loser then  you are entitled to bitch.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: Scrapheap on April 12, 2013, 06:34:31 PM
Oh and the spineless institution known as  the BBC have said they won't play the number one position on the chart this week because it is inappropriate?  wtf?

They did the same thing with the Sex Pistols "God Save the Queen".

They wouldn't even acknowledge it was a #1 hit.  >:(
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: McGiver on April 12, 2013, 07:01:24 PM
Gfy, bbc!
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: Bastet on April 12, 2013, 10:28:33 PM
I am very peeved with the current government who are portraying her as some kind of saint.   So far we have been slapped with a ten million quid funeral bill for a woman who is despised so much and by so many.  Sling it's carcass in the Thames!

Then i hear that some police sarge has had to quit his job because he posted insults about Maggie on Twitter.  He was exposed by that tory rag called the Daily Mail.  I would not normally be bothered about a pig, but c'mon?

Oh and the spineless institution known as  the BBC have said they won't play the number one position on the chart this week because it is inappropriate?  wtf?

In the next  breath the gov criticise North Korea for telling it's people what to do?

Pot. kettle.and black.


I hate BBC. They obviously didn't think the crap Jimmy Savile did was "innapropriate".
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: odeon on April 13, 2013, 03:10:41 AM
They should play the song if the # reflects the actual sales.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: El-Presidente on April 15, 2013, 02:47:13 PM
They should play the song if the # reflects the actual sales.

Apparently the surviving munchkins didn't want it played. The little bastards are in their 90s now. Nothing scarier than elderly midgets.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 15, 2013, 04:33:23 PM
There are much better songs out there,  written specifically for Thatcher.  Ding dong the witch is dead is quite annoying
unless you have just downed 10 pints of snakebite!
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: odeon on April 15, 2013, 10:48:03 PM
Will you observe a minute of silence, Bodie? :zoinks:
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 16, 2013, 04:25:01 AM
Will you observe a minute of silence, Bodie? :zoinks:


You know how to push my buttons!  :zoinks:

No.  I won't.  I am normally very respectful in that way, even for people i dislike.  She is the only woman in the world i absolutely HATE.

I know this topic is not bringing out the best in me.  Venom is not my usual demeanour.  I am frustrated that the  rest of the world seems not to know how vile she was.  That she ruined peoples lives.  She ended peoples lives.

Of course, it is quite plausible that people around the world see a distorted picture.  She ruined the lives of little people.  Little people get swept aside.  Little people don't sell  papers, they are not glamorous,or sexy, or rich enough to matter.  Not to a world stage anyway.   They matter to me,  for i am 'little' too.  :laugh:

So, no respectful silence.  I will probably be watching if it is on TV.  I will be hoping that some mischief occurs from a protester.   Nothing too extreme, but something big enough to tell the history books in the future that she was not this saint like lady that is being painted.  She was hated by many.  She was no lady at all.  I have seen more lady like creatures crawl out of the sweaty skin folds of the arse end of a scabby dog!

I will probably be humming Ding Dong The Witch is Dead from the Wizard of Oz.  Which is kind of funny in a way because did anyone notice how Dorothy actually got away with murder?... just like Maggie did. :zoinks:
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: McGiver on April 16, 2013, 07:37:29 AM
Will you observe a minute of silence, Bodie? :zoinks:
yes, and while all the heads are bowed I'm gonna release the loudest fart you've ever heard.
Respect.  None.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: McGiver on April 16, 2013, 07:39:10 AM
Will you observe a minute of silence, Bodie? :zoinks:


You know how to push my buttons!  :zoinks:

No.  I won't.  I am normally very respectful in that way, even for people i dislike.  She is the only woman in the world i absolutely HATE.

I know this topic is not bringing out the best in me.  Venom is not my usual demeanour.  I am frustrated that the  rest of the world seems not to know how vile she was.  That she ruined peoples lives.  She ended peoples lives.

Of course, it is quite plausible that people around the world see a distorted picture.  She ruined the lives of little people.  Little people get swept aside.  Little people don't sell  papers, they are not glamorous,or sexy, or rich enough to matter.  Not to a world stage anyway.   They matter to me,  for i am 'little' too.  :laugh:

So, no respectful silence.  I will probably be watching if it is on TV.  I will be hoping that some mischief occurs from a protester.   Nothing too extreme, but something big enough to tell the history books in the future that she was not this saint like lady that is being painted.  She was hated by many.  She was no lady at all.  I have seen more lady like creatures crawl out of the sweaty skin folds of the arse end of a scabby dog!

I will probably be humming Ding Dong The Witch is Dead from the Wizard of Oz.  Which is kind of funny in a way because did anyone notice how Dorothy actually got away with murder?... just like Maggie did. :zoinks:
i just plussed you and am not allowed to repeat action so  :thumbup:
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: odeon on April 16, 2013, 11:07:56 PM
I think it's fascinating how she continues to evoke strong reactions.

Most politicians who die get a shrug. A precious few are praised. And then there's Maggie.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 17, 2013, 03:20:23 AM
She goes under a category of wicked rulers.  Like King  Henry VIII.   :zoinks:

In recent times she is the only PM with blood on her hands.  She knowingly wrecked thousands of lives.  I'v just seen John Major on the TV.  I don't feel any hatred for him whatsoever.


I think her children say a lot about her.    Ok, ok,  it's probably not fair.  I know kids can turn out  bad irrespective of how they are parented.  Just coincidence then that both her children turned out racist, fascist, pigs.   The fact that neither of them bothered with her in her final years, when she was all dribbly and confused does say a lot.

Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 17, 2013, 04:39:16 AM
Despite my concentrating real hard (in a Uri Geller style) the pallbearers did not slip.

The old goat (Bishop some thing) started to go on about her as being kind and reaching out to the young, how she was always trying to help!  eh?  what?
I switched off in disgust!
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: McGiver on April 17, 2013, 06:30:04 AM
Despite my concentrating real hard (in a Uri Geller style) the pallbearers did not slip.

The old goat (Bishop some thing) started to go on about her as being kind and reaching out to the young, how she was always trying to help!  eh?  what?
I switched off in disgust!
you were hoping her bodie spilled out the casket?
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: Al Swearegen on April 17, 2013, 07:06:08 AM
Loving the shoutbox jokes about Thatcher
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: 'andersom' on April 17, 2013, 09:33:11 AM
One of my daughters said this morning: "Mom, if you skip work today, you can watch Thatcher's funeral  :autism:".

Duhh.

Did still see a bit though, waiting for a client. Saw the bit where Bodie switched off her TV. I was glad I could leave the TV sets.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 17, 2013, 03:56:39 PM
 
:asthing: :asthing: :asthing: :asthing: :asthing: :asthing: :asthing: :asthing: :asthing: :asthing: :asthing: :asthing: :asthing: :asthing: :asthing:

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:asthing: :asthing: :asthing: :asthing: :asthing: :asthing:  :asthing: :asthing::asthing: :asthing: :asthing: :asthing: :asthing: :asthing: :asthing:


Forget about what you saw on your TV screen.  This is how much of the UK celebrated her funeral!

(http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/191448/image_update_ee2f03944418d6da_1366193667_9j-4aaqsk.jpeg)

(http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article8568740.ece/ALTERNATES/w460/166069198.jpg)

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02538/thatcher-protest-2_2538867b.jpg)

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/67061000/jpg/_67061698_67061697.jpg)

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02538/goldthorpe-thatche_2538912b.jpg)

I love this one
(http://www.scotsman.com/webimage/1.2899033.1366220566!/image/983789303.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_595/983789303.jpg)   A BLAST of the controversial top ten song Ding Dong! The Witch Is Dead signalled the start of a party at Danderhall Miners’ Welfare and Social Club in Midlothian yesterday afternoon to celebrate the death of former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.   With celebrations set to go on until midnight, the event which was expected to attract up to 300 people, began with a number of former miners, who had been on strike during the bitter 1984 dispute, marking the day with their own private toasts.

Among them was Eric Bunyan, 57, from Danderhall, who poured a dram for himself and his friend Jock Jones, 66, before they raised their glasses with the toast “Good Riddance” to Mrs Thatcher.

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ1wB75dZiObF-P8MN7kK4BoRzHiSemjONfYOmEajcruMaRFgiepA)

(http://rt.com/files/news/1e/b7/d0/00/t-4.jpg)



and pictured below,  an event set up in a museum for people to pay respects and watch the funeral
he he he
(http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1837287.ece/ALTERNATES/s510/A-woman-watches-Margaret-Thatchers-funeral-at-the-local-museum-in-Grantham-1837287.jpg)


Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: odeon on April 17, 2013, 11:03:17 PM
That last one is kind of sad.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 18, 2013, 01:01:04 AM
That last one is kind of sad.

 :nono:
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: Bastet on April 18, 2013, 01:23:09 AM
 :grrr: I think what is sad that many male politicians that have done just as bad or worse won't be getting their deaths celebrated.  :grrr:
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 18, 2013, 07:32:32 AM
:grrr: I think what is sad that many male politicians that have done just as bad or worse won't be getting their deaths celebrated.  :grrr:

It's a good point.  Gadaffi?, Saddam Hussein ?.   Not really the same league.  In my mind there has been no male politicians here in the UK who warrant that kind of reaction that i recall.

It does pose the question that perhaps Maggie was seen as a target for hatred because she was a woman?  Did we expect her to behave differently because she was a woman?

I will have to give that some thought.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: 'andersom' on April 18, 2013, 08:08:39 AM
:grrr: I think what is sad that many male politicians that have done just as bad or worse won't be getting their deaths celebrated.  :grrr:

It's a good point.  Gadaffi?, Saddam Hussein ?.   Not really the same league.  In my mind there has been no male politicians here in the UK who warrant that kind of reaction that i recall.

It does pose the question that perhaps Maggie was seen as a target for hatred because she was a woman?  Did we expect her to behave differently because she was a woman?

I will have to give that some thought.

Were there male politicians who reigned for as long as she did, without the UK being in a major war?
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 18, 2013, 09:10:42 AM
:grrr: I think what is sad that many male politicians that have done just as bad or worse won't be getting their deaths celebrated.  :grrr:

It's a good point.  Gadaffi?, Saddam Hussein ?.   Not really the same league.  In my mind there has been no male politicians here in the UK who warrant that kind of reaction that i recall.

It does pose the question that perhaps Maggie was seen as a target for hatred because she was a woman?  Did we expect her to behave differently because she was a woman?

I will have to give that some thought.

Were there male politicians who reigned for as long as she did, without the UK being in a major war?

Tony Blair won three consecutive elections 1997, 2001, 2005.  His reign was only 10 years.  He could have beat Maggie by 18months if he hadn't quit and handed it over to Gordon Brown who was a far better Chancellor than Prime Minister.

I really don't think Maggie had any shit flung at her just because she was a woman.  Had it been a man who made those decisions and hurt so many communities then i think it would be the same.

I do think, people partied harder because she was elevated wrongly with a state funeral.  £10 million could buy several dialysis machines for example.  State funerals should be reserved for those people like Churchill.  He was famously conservative but his years of service benefited the whole country.  Maggie didn't do this.     Churchill had personality and  humour and honour.   Maggie didn't.  She lacked warmth.  Even to her own children.

Would Churchill have done what Maggie did?  Hard to say.  He was very conservative.  I would like to believe he had more moral fibre and humanity. 
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: Adam on April 18, 2013, 03:00:26 PM
Fuck her

Bitch

I didn't have a party or download the song, but I certainly feel no respect for her and still think she was a heartless fucking bitch

Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: odeon on April 18, 2013, 11:17:47 PM
Hi Adam, how have you been?

And do we need to get rid of more politicians to get you to post?
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: ----- on April 19, 2013, 07:15:57 AM
I pity her family, but I certainly do not feel remotely sorry for her. Vindictive cunt. Not only did she starve the miners, but half of the working class with it. The bitch privatised companies such as Brittish Power, thus, leaving no income to help prop up the country without having to screw us in tax.

Her ceremonial funeral is both undeserved and a frankly insulting use of public money.

In short, good riddance.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: BUBBASAURUS_RAEP on April 19, 2013, 10:22:54 AM
Margaret Thatcher died today. Thoughts?

I liked her, I have to say. Not necessarily her politics, but I think she was far more competent at her job than some of her successors.

Good riddance!
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: 'andersom' on April 19, 2013, 05:03:41 PM
:grrr: I think what is sad that many male politicians that have done just as bad or worse won't be getting their deaths celebrated.  :grrr:

It's a good point.  Gadaffi?, Saddam Hussein ?.   Not really the same league.  In my mind there has been no male politicians here in the UK who warrant that kind of reaction that i recall.

It does pose the question that perhaps Maggie was seen as a target for hatred because she was a woman?  Did we expect her to behave differently because she was a woman?

I will have to give that some thought.

Were there male politicians who reigned for as long as she did, without the UK being in a major war?

Tony Blair won three consecutive elections 1997, 2001, 2005.  His reign was only 10 years.  He could have beat Maggie by 18months if he hadn't quit and handed it over to Gordon Brown who was a far better Chancellor than Prime Minister.

I really don't think Maggie had any shit flung at her just because she was a woman.  Had it been a man who made those decisions and hurt so many communities then i think it would be the same.

I do think, people partied harder because she was elevated wrongly with a state funeral.  £10 million could buy several dialysis machines for example.  State funerals should be reserved for those people like Churchill.  He was famously conservative but his years of service benefited the whole country.  Maggie didn't do this.     Churchill had personality and  humour and honour.   Maggie didn't.  She lacked warmth.  Even to her own children.

Would Churchill have done what Maggie did?  Hard to say.  He was very conservative.  I would like to believe he had more moral fibre and humanity.

Not thinking she got this shit because of her gender either.
What I remember from the times she was in power, she was a force that wasn't going to let her self stopped by anyone.
The Thatcher era, when I think of it, always makes me sad. Desolation, that is what her heritage is. Churchill was a war leader, he brought hope. Thatcher destroyed hope. Major never had that hope sucking impact.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: odeon on April 19, 2013, 06:37:10 PM
That's because Major had no impact at all. The man was an utter bore.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 20, 2013, 03:57:15 AM
He was an utter bore, yes.   However, he did have the  vision and the commitment which started the peace process in Northern Ireland.  Maggie was not willing to budge an inch.  It was her job to solve problems.  NI was a big problem that she gave little attention to.  She completely ignored large pockets of the Uk, including NI and for that reason she was shit at her job.  It was her job to represent the whole of the UK,  not just her voters.   

The British behaved terribly to the Irish Catholics.  The jails were notorious.  Beatings were common.  Prisoners were murdered.  British Government had a duty to investigate and put things right.  SHE did nothing.  She was a shitty PM and I think she wasn't worth a ten pence funeral.  Well, her family should have paid for her funeral.  The Iron Lady can Rust in Hell.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: Adam on April 20, 2013, 11:35:11 AM
Hi Adam, how have you been?

And do we need to get rid of more politicians to get you to post?

Haha maybe. I've got a list if you're really determined to get me to post :P

And I'm good thanks. You?
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: odeon on April 20, 2013, 03:21:28 PM
Hi Adam, how have you been?

And do we need to get rid of more politicians to get you to post?

Haha maybe. I've got a list if you're really determined to get me to post :P

And I'm good thanks. You?

Just fine, mostly.

Post that list. :zoinks:
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: Queen Victoria on April 20, 2013, 04:02:34 PM
:grrr: I think what is sad that many male politicians that have done just as bad or worse won't be getting their deaths celebrated.  :grrr:

It's a good point.  Gadaffi?, Saddam Hussein ?.   Not really the same league.  In my mind there has been no male politicians here in the UK who warrant that kind of reaction that i recall.

It does pose the question that perhaps Maggie was seen as a target for hatred because she was a woman?  Did we expect her to behave differently because she was a woman?

I will have to give that some thought.

Were there male politicians who reigned for as long as she did, without the UK being in a major war?

Tony Blair won three consecutive elections 1997, 2001, 2005.  His reign was only 10 years.  He could have beat Maggie by 18months if he hadn't quit and handed it over to Gordon Brown who was a far better Chancellor than Prime Minister.

I really don't think Maggie had any shit flung at her just because she was a woman.  Had it been a man who made those decisions and hurt so many communities then i think it would be the same.

I do think, people partied harder because she was elevated wrongly with a state funeral.  £10 million could buy several dialysis machines for example.  State funerals should be reserved for those people like Churchill.  He was famously conservative but his years of service benefited the whole country.  Maggie didn't do this.     Churchill had personality and  humour and honour.   Maggie didn't.  She lacked warmth.  Even to her own children.

Would Churchill have done what Maggie did?  Hard to say.  He was very conservative.  I would like to believe he had more moral fibre and humanity.

Churchill made the decision to let Coventry be bombed rather than let the Nazis know their code had been broken.  Not sure how much humanity there was in that decision.  Seems pretty military.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 20, 2013, 04:07:02 PM
Was he able to warn Coventry?
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: odeon on April 21, 2013, 02:52:25 AM
No, I don't think he was.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: Adam on April 23, 2013, 01:40:53 PM
People are able to make rational, military decisions while still having humanity.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: RageBeoulve on April 23, 2013, 02:02:16 PM
People are able to make rational, military decisions while still having humanity.

Indeed they are.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: odeon on April 23, 2013, 11:07:25 PM
Should we have a Tony Blair thread?
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 24, 2013, 01:44:28 AM
He has ben criticised over his handling of Iraq.

I liked him, though.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: El-Presidente on April 24, 2013, 10:38:34 AM
Should we have a Tony Blair thread?

Yes, but I reserve the right to call him a cunt.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: odeon on April 24, 2013, 11:15:42 AM
Should we have a Tony Blair thread?

Yes, but I reserve the right to call him a cunt.

Fair enough.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: El-Presidente on April 24, 2013, 11:22:14 AM
Should we have a Tony Blair thread?

Yes, but I reserve the right to call him a cunt.

Fair enough.

Done.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: odeon on April 24, 2013, 11:24:41 AM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/17/article-2310773-192CC2FE000005DC-823_306x423.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 24, 2013, 03:04:15 PM
There was absolutely no need for that Odeon.


Very tempting to fix that pic, but i shall refrain :M
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: McGiver on April 24, 2013, 04:16:56 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/17/article-2310773-192CC2FE000005DC-823_306x423.jpg)
" I'm gonna F you in the A."
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: odeon on April 24, 2013, 11:19:38 PM
There was absolutely no need for that Odeon.


Very tempting to fix that pic, but i shall refrain :M

It's a scary one, isn't it?
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 25, 2013, 04:31:44 AM
Macabre
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: Adam on April 25, 2013, 01:53:03 PM
Her funeral cost 3.6 million pounds.

Meanwhile...

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/paupers-funerals-friends-in-deed-shining-1209840 (http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/paupers-funerals-friends-in-deed-shining-1209840)

(That's just my city btw. It's true of pretty much anywhere)
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: McGiver on April 25, 2013, 07:27:38 PM
Her funeral cost 3.6 million pounds.

Meanwhile...

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/paupers-funerals-friends-in-deed-shining-1209840 (http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/paupers-funerals-friends-in-deed-shining-1209840)

(That's just my city btw. It's true of pretty much anywhere)
sad.

It seems as if most people are simply born, hired, and disposed of.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 25, 2013, 11:02:26 PM
Instead of spending 3.6 million i would have slung it's miserable old carcass in the Thames for a tenner  :zoinks:
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: odeon on April 25, 2013, 11:38:24 PM
:laugh:
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: McGiver on April 26, 2013, 05:37:46 PM
Instead of spending 3.6 million i would have slung it's miserable old carcass in the Thames for a tenner  :zoinks:
fishy food.

What should they have done with the 3.6 million instead?
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: 'andersom' on April 27, 2013, 03:16:55 AM
Instead of spending 3.6 million i would have slung it's miserable old carcass in the Thames for a tenner  :zoinks:
fishy food.

What should they have done with the 3.6 million instead?

It would have to be used to compensate European fishers, because it would be unsafe to eat fish from the North Sea for a couple of years.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 27, 2013, 04:56:07 AM
Instead of spending 3.6 million i would have slung it's miserable old carcass in the Thames for a tenner  :zoinks:
fishy food.

What should they have done with the 3.6 million instead?
Guppy chow!  poor fish.

Well i dunno, as far as i know there wasn't 3.6 million put aside.  So it must have come out of the treasury  or the money budgeted for essential services.   However if the money was just lurking somewhere it should go to compensate the miners.

Anyway, where did 3.6 million come from.  News here suggests 10 million.  10 million wouldn't fix much but would be better spent in those poor areas she ravaged.

If the government thought she was so loved by the people and that we ought to foot the bill then they should have opened up a phone line that people could pledge money to.  I would say that is fair. 
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: McGiver on April 27, 2013, 11:01:51 AM
Instead of spending 3.6 million i would have slung it's miserable old carcass in the Thames for a tenner  :zoinks:
fishy food.

What should they have done with the 3.6 million instead?
Guppy chow!  poor fish.

Well i dunno, as far as i know there wasn't 3.6 million put aside.  So it must have come out of the treasury  or the money budgeted for essential services.   However if the money was just lurking somewhere it should go to compensate the miners.

Anyway, where did 3.6 million come from.  News here suggests 10 million.  10 million wouldn't fix much but would be better spent in those poor areas she ravaged.

If the government thought she was so loved by the people and that we ought to foot the bill then they should have opened up a phone line that people could pledge money to.  I would say that is fair.
10 million could have given 1000 struggling families 10,000 each and that would have eloped them out tremendously.  Who knows, some might have invested in businesses that may have prospered.
I don't know, giving the money to he needy is way better than burying a dead hag.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: Bastet on April 28, 2013, 10:56:11 AM
Doesn't "the iron lady" have her own money?!? I am sure she has plenty from "donations" from tories and "incentives" for being a cunt.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: odeon on April 28, 2013, 10:59:53 AM
She didn't take the money with her, no.

I do think it is reasonable to have the state handle her funeral. Prime ministers tend to get state funerals.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 28, 2013, 02:19:31 PM
I don't know about her estate or how wealthy she was.
Her son is a thieving racist fascist pig who narrowly escaped jail.  He is rolling in filthy lucre.  He could have coughed up?

The only other PM who had a 'state' funeral was Churchill.   The big difference is that Churchill,  despite
being extremely tory, was actually very popular among the middle and working class people. 

I feel that spending that amount of cash on somebody who is dead is absurd.  I would extend that to Churchill too.  We have just faced one of the longest, harshest winters in memory.  We have homeless, we have thousands of kids living in poverty, and we have pensioners who have to decide on whether to eat or heat their homes.  Spending money on the dead is ridiculous when we have so many people struggling to stay alive!

She apparently left instructions for her funeral.   She did not leave an accompanying cheque.  So, Maggie, right to the end it seems even her dying wish was to fleece working class people. 
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: skyblue1 on April 28, 2013, 02:22:42 PM
should have left her laying where she fell

unless she died in battle, leading her troops in a charge
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: odeon on April 28, 2013, 03:16:13 PM
I don't know about her estate or how wealthy she was.
Her son is a thieving racist fascist pig who narrowly escaped jail.  He is rolling in filthy lucre.  He could have coughed up?

The only other PM who had a 'state' funeral was Churchill.   The big difference is that Churchill,  despite
being extremely tory, was actually very popular among the middle and working class people. 

I feel that spending that amount of cash on somebody who is dead is absurd.  I would extend that to Churchill too.  We have just faced one of the longest, harshest winters in memory.  We have homeless, we have thousands of kids living in poverty, and we have pensioners who have to decide on whether to eat or heat their homes.  Spending money on the dead is ridiculous when we have so many people struggling to stay alive!

She apparently left instructions for her funeral.   She did not leave an accompanying cheque.  So, Maggie, right to the end it seems even her dying wish was to fleece working class people. 

I thought the amount was absurd, too.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 28, 2013, 03:29:39 PM
I don't know about her estate or how wealthy she was.
Her son is a thieving racist fascist pig who narrowly escaped jail.  He is rolling in filthy lucre.  He could have coughed up?

The only other PM who had a 'state' funeral was Churchill.   The big difference is that Churchill,  despite
being extremely tory, was actually very popular among the middle and working class people. 

I feel that spending that amount of cash on somebody who is dead is absurd.  I would extend that to Churchill too.  We have just faced one of the longest, harshest winters in memory.  We have homeless, we have thousands of kids living in poverty, and we have pensioners who have to decide on whether to eat or heat their homes.  Spending money on the dead is ridiculous when we have so many people struggling to stay alive!

She apparently left instructions for her funeral.   She did not leave an accompanying cheque.  So, Maggie, right to the end it seems even her dying wish was to fleece working class people. 

I thought the amount was absurd, too.
Pomp and ceremony   :thumbdn:
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 29, 2013, 08:04:37 AM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8256/8632130466_2363f04ca3_b.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: McGiver on April 29, 2013, 08:25:46 AM
She looks inbred.  We're there cousin fuckers in her family tree?
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: bodie on April 29, 2013, 09:26:19 AM
She looks inbred.  We're there cousin fuckers in her family tree?
  Yes indeed.  Some of them were still being born with a tail until recently :zoinks:


and here we have another product of years of reproduction using only the limited gene pool of the upper classes!
her press secretary   :laugh:

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Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: Adam on April 29, 2013, 10:59:42 AM
Why should she have a state funeral when she was all in favour of privatising everything else?

Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: TheoK on April 29, 2013, 11:07:33 AM
Her family should pay the funeral.
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on November 08, 2014, 04:32:38 PM
So Bodie, have you gone to visit Thatcher's grave...    ... to take a piss on it??   :orly:
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: odeon on November 09, 2014, 01:58:03 AM
Be nice. She probably isn't over it yet. :M
Title: Re: The Iron Lady Is Gone
Post by: Gopher Gary on November 09, 2014, 10:02:55 AM
So Bodie, have you gone to visit Thatcher's grave...    ... to take a piss on it??   :orly:

Now I'm thinking about Bodie peeing.  :orly:    :lol1: