Margaret Thatcher died today. Thoughts?
I liked her, I have to say. Not necessarily her politics, but I think she was far more competent at her job than some of her successors.
I wonder if we should privatize her funeral. Give the contract to the lowest bidder.She will be given military honors at her funeral
I think the world stage remembers the Falklands conflict, and that must be where the 'iron' and the 'respect' for her comes from. She acted as any PM would. In other words 'she did her job'. Big deal.
I HATED the bitch with a passion. She HAD a rare opportunity. She COULD have made much progress in pushing women forward in politics. How many women were in her cabinet? How many did she promote? FUCK ALL
Come to think of it, it is a big deal. Some might lie about weapons of mass destruction to create a war or stay cowards and do nothing when there is an actual reason to go to war.
She was very much a product of her time. Nope, she was never one to help the poor get by, but I do think she did a lot for Britain's economy.
but I do think she did a lot for Britain's economy.... care to elaborate? I can't think of anything. Certainly wasn't manufacturing!
You're perfectly right.I am not really into the feminist movement. I do think that back in her time there were many obvious inequalities. The low number of women with any positions of power was a very obvious one that she was in a position to adjust. John Major managed to appoint several women in his cabinet in his subsequent government. So, why did she avoid this? She revelled in her unique position. There was no room for other females. Another female would not have been seen by her as an ally, as it would be the case with most women. Another female would have been competition.
But I wonder. If a man comes to power, no one expects him to promote anyone but himself or perhaps his friends because that's what men do, that's what politicians do and it's a good reason for not trusting a single one of them.
When a woman rises to a position of power, OTOH, she is expected to help all of her gender or she is seen as a traitor rather than simply another politician. I find that very interesting.
I don't believe in justice and fairness; I think anyone expecting it is bound to be disappointed because it's not what the world is like. I believe in equal rights to be a selfish bastard and deserve whatever karma you get, however. Thatcher was like anyone else in that respect but got further than most doing it, and for that I admire her.
"Iron Lady" came from the Soviets, btw.
"Iron Lady" came from the Soviets, btw.Ok, ok, but the other title of 'Lady Thatcher' is the one that amuses me! It sounds like something you buy on the internet for women to attend to their bikini area. A discreet gardening device! the lady thatcher! hehehehe :zoinks:
11 years as pm unemployment was over 10 1/2% for half her tenure.
"She decided that when she wrote off our manufacturing industry that she could live with two or three million unemployed," ---Ken Livingstone, former London Mayor.
Childhood poverty rose during her tenure, when she left office nearly 1/3 of all children were living in poverty.
She promoted the failed trickle down economics by which she shifted the tax burden from the wealthy to the poor.
Remember her 1990 poll tax? Which is a huge advantage for he wealthy. It keeps the poor from voting.
She refused sanctions against south Africa's apartheid. Called Nelson mandellas party a terrorist organization.
THE WORLD IS A BETTER PLACE NOW THAT THiIS BITCH IS DEAD. MAY SHE BURN IN HELL...unfortunately hell doesn't exist.
GFY, thatcher.
Quotebut I do think she did a lot for Britain's economy.... care to elaborate? I can't think of anything. Certainly wasn't manufacturing!
Well, i grew up in the Thatcher years. They were grim. I know. I was there.
The graphs you posted have a major flaw. They do not show the huge north/south divide. For example, take the Yorkshire ward of 'Heaton,' and compare it to Thatchers 'Finchley' and you will see that one was booming under her reign and one was a ghost town of closed factories and high unemployment.
The millions of unemployed during her term were mainly north of the Watford Gap and therefore don't matter?
There are two halves of the UK. Your graphs do not show this
I think this one sums it up
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/66812000/gif/_66812021_unemployment_2.gif)
I wonder what would have happened to the UK without her.
I'm wondering if he disposable income point s a bit disingenuous.
If she lowered taxes (especially on the rich) and the graph is a total percentage f all disposable income it says nothing about he plight if the common man.
And if she also tried to privatize everything, meaning less government revenue combined with less government programs (useful to those in poverty) then all she has done is transfer all the wealth from the bottom and the middle to the top.
QuoteI wonder what would have happened to the UK without her.
A good question. Perhaps her rise to power prevented some other catastrophe :dunno:
'Ding dong the witch is dead 'is flying up the charts. People are having parties to
celebrate her death! She was not as popular as the media reports.
I'm wondering if he disposable income point s a bit disingenuous.
If she lowered taxes (especially on the rich) and the graph is a total percentage f all disposable income it says nothing about he plight if the common man.
And if she also tried to privatize everything, meaning less government revenue combined with less government programs (useful to those in poverty) then all she has done is transfer all the wealth from the bottom and the middle to the top.
"ding dong the witch is dead" sing many ex mining families up and down the country!
I HATED the bitch with a passion. She HAD a rare opportunity. She COULD have made much progress in pushing women forward in politics. How many women were in her cabinet? How many did she promote? FUCK ALL
Let's look at what she did, or didn't do -
* One word "MINERS" She fucked them over good and proper.
*She escalated the troubles in Northern Ireland. She could have prevented so many deaths (Bobby Sands comes to mind) She was an ignorant self righteous bitch who didn't want to bother. Peace was achievable. As proved by Tony Blair and i have to include John Major too.
*She did fuck all for women. She did fuck all for human rights. She was a MONSTER not a mother.
* Infamous "Poll Tax" - not one of her better policies!
*She tried to break the link of dirty hands! Trampled over the trade unions. Increased the rich/poor divide.
God this monster even took away the free little bottle of milk every child at school had daily. I recall the comments now "Thatcher, the milk snatcher" :zoinks:
I think the world stage remembers the Falklands conflict, and that must be where the 'iron' and the 'respect' for her comes from. She acted as any PM would. In other words 'she did her job'. Big deal.
Anyway, i don't care if i speak ill of the dead. I am glad she no longer walks this earth. I am glad she was 'troubled' in her final years. She deserves to be. Surprised if she found any peace at all after what she has done.
Some folks do not deserve to RIP
:pee: dead thatcher
I remember something else she done, real bitchy.
She changed the category on tampax, tampons etc from Necessity to Luxury items which caused them to be subject to VAT.
I rest my case.
I remember something else she done, real bitchy.subject to a VAG?
She changed the category on tampax, tampons etc from Necessity to Luxury items which caused them to be subject to VAT.
I rest my case.
I remember something else she done, real bitchy.
She changed the category on tampax, tampons etc from Necessity to Luxury items which caused them to be subject to VAT.
I rest my case.
I don't think she was worse than most politicians. She was also very honest, unlike most politicians.FUCK. THAT. BITCH.
She was very hated in Sweden, of course. I have seen "The witch is dead" and similar hundreds of times on Swedish boards since she died.
The Smith's wrote a song about her years ago, called "Margaret on the Guillotine" and i hear that will also be entering the charts this week :zoinks:
Reagan and Thatcher enabled each other :thumbdn:The Smith's wrote a song about her years ago, called "Margaret on the Guillotine" and i hear that will also be entering the charts this week :zoinks:
If only Americans had the good sense to feel the same about Ronald Reagan. :-\
Although I guess he wasn't as bad.
The Smith's wrote a song about her years ago, called "Margaret on the Guillotine" and i hear that will also be entering the charts this week :zoinks:
If only Americans had the good sense to feel the same about Ronald Reagan. :-\
Although I guess he wasn't as bad.
During the war in the Falklands, Thatcher had declared an exclusion zone of 200 nautical miles around the islands. She decided to sink the Argentine ship the Belgrano, despite it being 30 - 40 miles outside the exclusion zone that she had imposed. The ship was on a course bound for 'home'. Several hundred died, some were only 18/ 19 years old.
She played dirty. As a Brit, and someone who supports the defence of the Falklands, i can honestly say she should not have sank the Belgrano at that time.
It makes a mockery of the UN, if you have an active role in making up the rules, of how to conduct yourself during a conflict, then go ahead and break those rules.
Thatcher followed suit with what the US was doing at the timeif you voted for he loser then you are entitled to bitch.
The damage from those years is very apparent here, and has been for a number of years.
Its down with the people and up with the elite.
So, how can we ( the US) say anything derogatory about her without being hypocrites.
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Oh and the spineless institution known as the BBC have said they won't play the number one position on the chart this week because it is inappropriate? wtf?
I am very peeved with the current government who are portraying her as some kind of saint. So far we have been slapped with a ten million quid funeral bill for a woman who is despised so much and by so many. Sling it's carcass in the Thames!
Then i hear that some police sarge has had to quit his job because he posted insults about Maggie on Twitter. He was exposed by that tory rag called the Daily Mail. I would not normally be bothered about a pig, but c'mon?
Oh and the spineless institution known as the BBC have said they won't play the number one position on the chart this week because it is inappropriate? wtf?
In the next breath the gov criticise North Korea for telling it's people what to do?
Pot. kettle.and black.
They should play the song if the # reflects the actual sales.
Will you observe a minute of silence, Bodie? :zoinks:
Will you observe a minute of silence, Bodie? :zoinks:yes, and while all the heads are bowed I'm gonna release the loudest fart you've ever heard.
i just plussed you and am not allowed to repeat action so :thumbup:Will you observe a minute of silence, Bodie? :zoinks:
You know how to push my buttons! :zoinks:
No. I won't. I am normally very respectful in that way, even for people i dislike. She is the only woman in the world i absolutely HATE.
I know this topic is not bringing out the best in me. Venom is not my usual demeanour. I am frustrated that the rest of the world seems not to know how vile she was. That she ruined peoples lives. She ended peoples lives.
Of course, it is quite plausible that people around the world see a distorted picture. She ruined the lives of little people. Little people get swept aside. Little people don't sell papers, they are not glamorous,or sexy, or rich enough to matter. Not to a world stage anyway. They matter to me, for i am 'little' too. :laugh:
So, no respectful silence. I will probably be watching if it is on TV. I will be hoping that some mischief occurs from a protester. Nothing too extreme, but something big enough to tell the history books in the future that she was not this saint like lady that is being painted. She was hated by many. She was no lady at all. I have seen more lady like creatures crawl out of the sweaty skin folds of the arse end of a scabby dog!
I will probably be humming Ding Dong The Witch is Dead from the Wizard of Oz. Which is kind of funny in a way because did anyone notice how Dorothy actually got away with murder?... just like Maggie did. :zoinks:
Despite my concentrating real hard (in a Uri Geller style) the pallbearers did not slip.you were hoping her bodie spilled out the casket?
The old goat (Bishop some thing) started to go on about her as being kind and reaching out to the young, how she was always trying to help! eh? what?
I switched off in disgust!
That last one is kind of sad.
:grrr: I think what is sad that many male politicians that have done just as bad or worse won't be getting their deaths celebrated. :grrr:
:grrr: I think what is sad that many male politicians that have done just as bad or worse won't be getting their deaths celebrated. :grrr:
It's a good point. Gadaffi?, Saddam Hussein ?. Not really the same league. In my mind there has been no male politicians here in the UK who warrant that kind of reaction that i recall.
It does pose the question that perhaps Maggie was seen as a target for hatred because she was a woman? Did we expect her to behave differently because she was a woman?
I will have to give that some thought.
:grrr: I think what is sad that many male politicians that have done just as bad or worse won't be getting their deaths celebrated. :grrr:
It's a good point. Gadaffi?, Saddam Hussein ?. Not really the same league. In my mind there has been no male politicians here in the UK who warrant that kind of reaction that i recall.
It does pose the question that perhaps Maggie was seen as a target for hatred because she was a woman? Did we expect her to behave differently because she was a woman?
I will have to give that some thought.
Were there male politicians who reigned for as long as she did, without the UK being in a major war?
Margaret Thatcher died today. Thoughts?
I liked her, I have to say. Not necessarily her politics, but I think she was far more competent at her job than some of her successors.
:grrr: I think what is sad that many male politicians that have done just as bad or worse won't be getting their deaths celebrated. :grrr:
It's a good point. Gadaffi?, Saddam Hussein ?. Not really the same league. In my mind there has been no male politicians here in the UK who warrant that kind of reaction that i recall.
It does pose the question that perhaps Maggie was seen as a target for hatred because she was a woman? Did we expect her to behave differently because she was a woman?
I will have to give that some thought.
Were there male politicians who reigned for as long as she did, without the UK being in a major war?
Tony Blair won three consecutive elections 1997, 2001, 2005. His reign was only 10 years. He could have beat Maggie by 18months if he hadn't quit and handed it over to Gordon Brown who was a far better Chancellor than Prime Minister.
I really don't think Maggie had any shit flung at her just because she was a woman. Had it been a man who made those decisions and hurt so many communities then i think it would be the same.
I do think, people partied harder because she was elevated wrongly with a state funeral. £10 million could buy several dialysis machines for example. State funerals should be reserved for those people like Churchill. He was famously conservative but his years of service benefited the whole country. Maggie didn't do this. Churchill had personality and humour and honour. Maggie didn't. She lacked warmth. Even to her own children.
Would Churchill have done what Maggie did? Hard to say. He was very conservative. I would like to believe he had more moral fibre and humanity.
Hi Adam, how have you been?
And do we need to get rid of more politicians to get you to post?
Hi Adam, how have you been?
And do we need to get rid of more politicians to get you to post?
Haha maybe. I've got a list if you're really determined to get me to post :P
And I'm good thanks. You?
:grrr: I think what is sad that many male politicians that have done just as bad or worse won't be getting their deaths celebrated. :grrr:
It's a good point. Gadaffi?, Saddam Hussein ?. Not really the same league. In my mind there has been no male politicians here in the UK who warrant that kind of reaction that i recall.
It does pose the question that perhaps Maggie was seen as a target for hatred because she was a woman? Did we expect her to behave differently because she was a woman?
I will have to give that some thought.
Were there male politicians who reigned for as long as she did, without the UK being in a major war?
Tony Blair won three consecutive elections 1997, 2001, 2005. His reign was only 10 years. He could have beat Maggie by 18months if he hadn't quit and handed it over to Gordon Brown who was a far better Chancellor than Prime Minister.
I really don't think Maggie had any shit flung at her just because she was a woman. Had it been a man who made those decisions and hurt so many communities then i think it would be the same.
I do think, people partied harder because she was elevated wrongly with a state funeral. £10 million could buy several dialysis machines for example. State funerals should be reserved for those people like Churchill. He was famously conservative but his years of service benefited the whole country. Maggie didn't do this. Churchill had personality and humour and honour. Maggie didn't. She lacked warmth. Even to her own children.
Would Churchill have done what Maggie did? Hard to say. He was very conservative. I would like to believe he had more moral fibre and humanity.
People are able to make rational, military decisions while still having humanity.
Should we have a Tony Blair thread?
Should we have a Tony Blair thread?
Yes, but I reserve the right to call him a cunt.
Should we have a Tony Blair thread?
Yes, but I reserve the right to call him a cunt.
Fair enough.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/17/article-2310773-192CC2FE000005DC-823_306x423.jpg)" I'm gonna F you in the A."
There was absolutely no need for that Odeon.
Very tempting to fix that pic, but i shall refrain :M
Her funeral cost 3.6 million pounds.sad.
Meanwhile...
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/paupers-funerals-friends-in-deed-shining-1209840 (http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/paupers-funerals-friends-in-deed-shining-1209840)
(That's just my city btw. It's true of pretty much anywhere)
Instead of spending 3.6 million i would have slung it's miserable old carcass in the Thames for a tenner :zoinks:fishy food.
Instead of spending 3.6 million i would have slung it's miserable old carcass in the Thames for a tenner :zoinks:fishy food.
What should they have done with the 3.6 million instead?
Guppy chow! poor fish.Instead of spending 3.6 million i would have slung it's miserable old carcass in the Thames for a tenner :zoinks:fishy food.
What should they have done with the 3.6 million instead?
10 million could have given 1000 struggling families 10,000 each and that would have eloped them out tremendously. Who knows, some might have invested in businesses that may have prospered.Guppy chow! poor fish.Instead of spending 3.6 million i would have slung it's miserable old carcass in the Thames for a tenner :zoinks:fishy food.
What should they have done with the 3.6 million instead?
Well i dunno, as far as i know there wasn't 3.6 million put aside. So it must have come out of the treasury or the money budgeted for essential services. However if the money was just lurking somewhere it should go to compensate the miners.
Anyway, where did 3.6 million come from. News here suggests 10 million. 10 million wouldn't fix much but would be better spent in those poor areas she ravaged.
If the government thought she was so loved by the people and that we ought to foot the bill then they should have opened up a phone line that people could pledge money to. I would say that is fair.
I don't know about her estate or how wealthy she was.
Her son is a thieving racist fascist pig who narrowly escaped jail. He is rolling in filthy lucre. He could have coughed up?
The only other PM who had a 'state' funeral was Churchill. The big difference is that Churchill, despite
being extremely tory, was actually very popular among the middle and working class people.
I feel that spending that amount of cash on somebody who is dead is absurd. I would extend that to Churchill too. We have just faced one of the longest, harshest winters in memory. We have homeless, we have thousands of kids living in poverty, and we have pensioners who have to decide on whether to eat or heat their homes. Spending money on the dead is ridiculous when we have so many people struggling to stay alive!
She apparently left instructions for her funeral. She did not leave an accompanying cheque. So, Maggie, right to the end it seems even her dying wish was to fleece working class people.
Pomp and ceremony :thumbdn:I don't know about her estate or how wealthy she was.
Her son is a thieving racist fascist pig who narrowly escaped jail. He is rolling in filthy lucre. He could have coughed up?
The only other PM who had a 'state' funeral was Churchill. The big difference is that Churchill, despite
being extremely tory, was actually very popular among the middle and working class people.
I feel that spending that amount of cash on somebody who is dead is absurd. I would extend that to Churchill too. We have just faced one of the longest, harshest winters in memory. We have homeless, we have thousands of kids living in poverty, and we have pensioners who have to decide on whether to eat or heat their homes. Spending money on the dead is ridiculous when we have so many people struggling to stay alive!
She apparently left instructions for her funeral. She did not leave an accompanying cheque. So, Maggie, right to the end it seems even her dying wish was to fleece working class people.
I thought the amount was absurd, too.
She looks inbred. We're there cousin fuckers in her family tree?Yes indeed. Some of them were still being born with a tail until recently :zoinks:
So Bodie, have you gone to visit Thatcher's grave... ... to take a piss on it?? :orly: