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Title: Why is it offensive
Post by: lazarus on July 15, 2006, 04:56:24 PM
add yours here.

...to talk about BDSM in a forum labeld sex and taboo?
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: odeon on July 15, 2006, 05:00:28 PM
Is it?
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: McGiver on July 15, 2006, 05:03:57 PM
who said it was offensive?

its just that you seem to be a one trick pony.  i think someone suggested that there are alot of bdsm forums..  they accused you of being a noob and a coward, i believe.  or similar.
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: lazarus on July 15, 2006, 06:09:48 PM
Is it?
you seemed offended. but what do i know? i'm an autie.
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: McGiver on July 15, 2006, 06:21:55 PM
Is it?
you seemed offended. but what do i know? i'm an autie.

a king asper...
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: Pyraxis on July 15, 2006, 06:34:43 PM
What makes you so sure that everyone's offended?
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: lazarus on July 15, 2006, 07:21:38 PM
What makes you so sure that everyone's offended?
where did you see the word "everyone"?
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: lazarus on July 15, 2006, 07:22:41 PM
Is it?
you seemed offended. but what do i know? i'm an autie.

a king asper...
i know something you don't know
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: Peter on July 16, 2006, 06:52:56 AM
Is it?
you seemed offended. but what do i know? i'm an autie.

a king asper...
i know something you don't know

I know something that you don't know I know.
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: McGiver on July 16, 2006, 07:57:38 AM
no you don't.

Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: lazarus on July 16, 2006, 09:30:17 AM
do you?
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: Leto729 on July 16, 2006, 12:11:46 PM
BD&SM is not offensive unless You make it offensive in the end.
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: lazarus on July 16, 2006, 01:20:31 PM
but the end is the best part!
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: McGiver on July 16, 2006, 02:44:53 PM
speaking of whick.
where are the pictures of your bums in the seminoodz forum?
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: lazarus on July 16, 2006, 03:16:21 PM
speaking of whick.
where are the pictures of your bums in the seminoodz forum?
you want me to post one with a whick in my bum?
how many bums do you think i have?
i dont swing that way.
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: McGiver on July 16, 2006, 03:29:24 PM
multiple pictures would mean several bums
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: Draggon on July 16, 2006, 06:11:31 PM
add yours here.

...to talk about BDSM in a forum labeld sex and taboo?
Generally speaking...  I think the aversion comes because the fetish goes against basic human instinct.  A little bit of dominance/submission is a natural part of the mating game and society accepts that.  But in the extreme cases where the person actually seems to enjoy being hurt, it goes against human instinct, so for some people the natural reaction is to shun them as being either mentally ill, stupid, fucked up nervous system, defective, etc.  Not that those labels are necessarily true but in most societies the burden of proof would typically be moved onto the person engaging in those extreme behaviors to show that he/she is of sound mind, etc

just one man's theory
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: lazarus on July 16, 2006, 07:04:17 PM
add yours here.

...to talk about BDSM in a forum labeld sex and taboo?
Generally speaking...  I think the aversion comes because the fetish goes against basic human instinct.  A little bit of dominance/submission is a natural part of the mating game and society accepts that.  But in the extreme cases where the person actually seems to enjoy being hurt, it goes against human instinct, so for some people the natural reaction is to shun them as being either mentally ill, stupid, fucked up nervous system, defective, etc.  Not that those labels are necessarily true but in most societies the burden of proof would typically be moved onto the person engaging in those extreme behaviors to show that he/she is of sound mind, etc

just one man's theory
thank you alec (trebec), the question is, how are autism and bdsm alike?

bingo.
parallels. twirling hair with finger = stimming = ok. extreme stimming = not ok = something defective, wrong with you, fucked up nervous system.
burden of proof to show autism as indivisual difference vs developmental defect is on the autistic person.

bingo
karma for you, friend.
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: Draggon on July 17, 2006, 03:14:01 PM
add yours here.

...to talk about BDSM in a forum labeld sex and taboo?
Generally speaking...  I think the aversion comes because the fetish goes against basic human instinct.  A little bit of dominance/submission is a natural part of the mating game and society accepts that.  But in the extreme cases where the person actually seems to enjoy being hurt, it goes against human instinct, so for some people the natural reaction is to shun them as being either mentally ill, stupid, fucked up nervous system, defective, etc.  Not that those labels are necessarily true but in most societies the burden of proof would typically be moved onto the person engaging in those extreme behaviors to show that he/she is of sound mind, etc

just one man's theory
thank you alec (trebec), the question is, how are autism and bdsm alike?

bingo.
parallels. twirling hair with finger = stimming = ok. extreme stimming = not ok = something defective, wrong with you, fucked up nervous system.
burden of proof to show autism as indivisual difference vs developmental defect is on the autistic person.

bingo
karma for you, friend.

Interesting, most people would get mad cos I didn't blindly fall in line behind them and start badmouthing me.  Nice to meet someone with a brain
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: lazarus on July 17, 2006, 04:12:34 PM
add yours here.

...to talk about BDSM in a forum labeld sex and taboo?
Generally speaking...  I think the aversion comes because the fetish goes against basic human instinct.  A little bit of dominance/submission is a natural part of the mating game and society accepts that.  But in the extreme cases where the person actually seems to enjoy being hurt, it goes against human instinct, so for some people the natural reaction is to shun them as being either mentally ill, stupid, fucked up nervous system, defective, etc.  Not that those labels are necessarily true but in most societies the burden of proof would typically be moved onto the person engaging in those extreme behaviors to show that he/she is of sound mind, etc

just one man's theory
thank you alec (trebec), the question is, how are autism and bdsm alike?

bingo.
parallels. twirling hair with finger = stimming = ok. extreme stimming = not ok = something defective, wrong with you, fucked up nervous system.
burden of proof to show autism as indivisual difference vs developmental defect is on the autistic person.

bingo
karma for you, friend.

Interesting, most people would get mad cos I didn't blindly fall in line behind them and start badmouthing me.  Nice to meet someone with a brain
likewise. pleased to meet you.
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: lazarus on July 18, 2006, 01:24:24 AM

Interesting, most people would get mad cos I didn't blindly fall in line behind them and start badmouthing me.  Nice to meet someone with a brain
deep in the heart of the flea market lies the marketplace of ideas...
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: McGiver on July 18, 2006, 01:24:28 PM

Interesting, most people would get mad cos I didn't blindly fall in line behind them and start badmouthing me.  Nice to meet someone with a brain
deep in the heart of the flea market lies the marketplace of ideas...
or someone gets so pissed off that they were  opposed (both sides) and they are unwilling to accept that their foe (for lack of a better term) isn't as mature as they are (seemingly).

see my imature debating style is unacceptable to lucifer (i call people names to draw them out).
hers is to me (she uses fancy language, and i spend too much time looking up words).

both techniques are actually acceptable, there is no true formula in the marketplace of ideas, except the fact that people are left alone to be themselves. and they will be challenged by those who disagree or think they are phony.

don't wolves have fleas?
which flea market do you regular?
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: lazarus on July 18, 2006, 03:21:27 PM

Interesting, most people would get mad cos I didn't blindly fall in line behind them and start badmouthing me.  Nice to meet someone with a brain
deep in the heart of the flea market lies the marketplace of ideas...
or someone gets so pissed off that they were  opposed (both sides) and they are unwilling to accept that their foe (for lack of a better term) isn't as mature as they are (seemingly).

see my imature debating style is unacceptable to lucifer (i call people names to draw them out).
hers is to me (she uses fancy language, and i spend too much time looking up words).

both techniques are actually acceptable, there is no true formula in the marketplace of ideas, except the fact that people are left alone to be themselves. and they will be challenged by those who disagree or think they are phony.

don't wolves have fleas?
which flea market do you regular?
dogs have fleas. wolves have teeth.
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: odeon on July 18, 2006, 03:22:48 PM
Actually wolves have fleas, too. :P
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: lazarus on July 18, 2006, 03:23:19 PM
yours might.
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: odeon on July 18, 2006, 03:28:15 PM
Hey, it's just a fact. No need to get all defensive about it.
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: lazarus on July 18, 2006, 03:30:10 PM
Hey, it's just a fact. No need to get all defensive about it.
i just don't want the fleas to get offended.
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: odeon on July 18, 2006, 03:32:09 PM
They'd choose the dogs rather than this particular wolf?
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: lazarus on July 18, 2006, 03:34:16 PM
They'd choose the dogs rather than this particular wolf?
since they are all hanging on the dog, i'd say the wolf was too offensive.
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: odeon on July 18, 2006, 03:35:58 PM
If not even the fleas like him, who does?
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: lazarus on July 18, 2006, 03:41:36 PM
If not even the fleas like him, who does?
his pack respects him.
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: odeon on July 18, 2006, 03:43:52 PM
That's not an answer.
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: lazarus on July 18, 2006, 03:50:50 PM
the marketplace is open

http://www.thewronged.org/index.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=52
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: lazarus on July 18, 2006, 03:51:27 PM
That's not an answer.
unknown. perhaps it is a delusion.
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: McGiver on July 18, 2006, 04:32:49 PM
Actually wolves have fleas, too. :P

maybe he has frontline as his defensive mechanism against an infestation of fleas.
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: hiroshima on July 18, 2006, 04:36:04 PM
His baseline might be higher than our frontline.

You never know.
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: lazarus on July 18, 2006, 04:36:51 PM
His baseline might be higher than our frontline.

You never know.
who was it who said that?
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: hiroshima on July 18, 2006, 04:39:08 PM
The ghost of Christmas future.
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: lazarus on July 18, 2006, 04:41:39 PM
The ghost of Christmas future.
i prefer the ghost of christmas present.
i like presents!
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: hiroshima on July 18, 2006, 04:56:45 PM
BOO.
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: lazarus on July 18, 2006, 04:58:00 PM
BOO.
dang!
i thought you were the ghost of christmas past.
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: hiroshima on July 18, 2006, 06:50:35 PM
Thou art a scholar; speak to her.
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: Draggon on July 18, 2006, 07:16:18 PM

Interesting, most people would get mad cos I didn't blindly fall in line behind them and start badmouthing me.  Nice to meet someone with a brain
deep in the heart of the flea market lies the marketplace of ideas...
or someone gets so pissed off that they were  opposed (both sides) and they are unwilling to accept that their foe (for lack of a better term) isn't as mature as they are (seemingly).

see my imature debating style is unacceptable to lucifer (i call people names to draw them out).
hers is to me (she uses fancy language, and i spend too much time looking up words).

both techniques are actually acceptable, there is no true formula in the marketplace of ideas, except the fact that people are left alone to be themselves. and they will be challenged by those who disagree or think they are phony.
Aye, but if no agreed upon ruleset is decided nothing really ever gets argued through to completion, neh?  suppose thats why they have to make rules for debate
Though some would say that doing something like that would be pussying up these arguments (myself included)
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: lazarus on July 18, 2006, 07:23:55 PM
*sniff sniif*
is that wood burning?

and then there are those that make the rules and change them on a dime.
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: Pyraxis on July 18, 2006, 07:26:12 PM
Aye, but if no agreed upon ruleset is decided nothing really ever gets argued through to completion, neh?

Depends how many people want to argue it to completion.
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: Draggon on July 18, 2006, 07:34:29 PM
Aye, but if no agreed upon ruleset is decided nothing really ever gets argued through to completion, neh?

Depends how many people want to argue it to completion.
Well more importantly without an agreed upon ruleset people can just say they lost interest, or had better things to do, etc etc; without room for a clear winner;  When community agrees upon a ruleset, the proof is in the pudding, and the one who wins is the one who wins.  The yardstick may not be perfect but at least there is a yardstick
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: Draggon on July 18, 2006, 07:36:28 PM
*sniff sniif*
is that wood burning?
please explain your nonsensical metaphor, sir?
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and then there are those that make the rules and change them on a dime.
yeah, annoying as fuck those little rat bastards are.  Fortunately they use up their influence pretty quickly once people catch on that its all smoke & mirrors with no real logic to it
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: Pyraxis on July 18, 2006, 07:36:56 PM
Why not just make up your own yardstick? And pull people back if they run away too soon. Why does it matter who wins by the rules? The real winner wins by effect.
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: lazarus on July 18, 2006, 07:39:13 PM
*sniff sniif*
is that wood burning?
please explain your nonsensical metaphor, sir?
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and then there are those that make the rules and change them on a dime.
yeah, annoying as fuck those little rat bastards are.  Fortunately they use up their influence pretty quickly once people catch on that its all smoke & mirrors with no real logic to it
well, there are motes in the eye and there are planks in the eye.
if you don't pull the plank out of the fire then all that's left will be smoke and mirrors.

why did you ask me to explain if you understood?
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: Draggon on July 18, 2006, 07:42:36 PM
*sniff sniif*
is that wood burning?
please explain your nonsensical metaphor, sir?
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and then there are those that make the rules and change them on a dime.
yeah, annoying as fuck those little rat bastards are.  Fortunately they use up their influence pretty quickly once people catch on that its all smoke & mirrors with no real logic to it
well, there are motes in the eye and there are planks in the eye.
if you don't pull the plank out of the fire then all that's left will be smoke and mirrors.

why did you ask me to explain if you understood?
Quite frankly I'm convinced you just made that shit up to fit into my explanation but whatever...
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: Draggon on July 18, 2006, 07:52:42 PM
Why not just make up your own yardstick?
If you're content to just live inside your own head (and most of us are really, but thats a mistake) then yeah just using your own will work.  In terms of building power, social momentum, respect, this doesn't hold water.

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Why does it matter who wins by the rules? The real winner wins by effect.
Eh, I disagree. 
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: McGiver on July 18, 2006, 09:13:24 PM
Aye, but if no agreed upon ruleset is decided nothing really ever gets argued through to completion, neh?

Depends how many people want to argue it to completion.
that is a good point.
since sometimes just making a point is all that is necessary.
people are conditioned to think a certain way.  sometimes the point is to simply plant a seed.
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: lazarus on July 18, 2006, 09:50:49 PM
Aye, but if no agreed upon ruleset is decided nothing really ever gets argued through to completion, neh?

Depends how many people want to argue it to completion.
that is a good point.
since sometimes just making a point is all that is necessary.
people are conditioned to think a certain way.  sometimes the point is to simply plant a seed.
oooh.
he got it.
Title: Re: Why is it offensive
Post by: lazarus on July 18, 2006, 09:54:59 PM
*sniff sniif*
is that wood burning?
please explain your nonsensical metaphor, sir?
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and then there are those that make the rules and change them on a dime.
yeah, annoying as fuck those little rat bastards are.  Fortunately they use up their influence pretty quickly once people catch on that its all smoke & mirrors with no real logic to it
well, there are motes in the eye and there are planks in the eye.
if you don't pull the plank out of the fire then all that's left will be smoke and mirrors.

why did you ask me to explain if you understood?
Quite frankly I'm convinced you just made that shit up to fit into my explanation but whatever...
argh.
the motes were on another planet
so is the plank
blockheads undergoing a paradigm shift often smell wood burning.
if the fire on the other planet were fanned, then the plank will burn and the fact that it is all smoke and mirrors will become evident.