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Arena for the Competitive => Main Event Callouts => Topic started by: Peter on April 13, 2006, 05:27:15 AM
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Reposted from http://www.wrongplanet.net/asperger.html?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=212381#212381
PeterM, I usually do not argue with men in skirts but I will make an exception because I like you so well.
Just because there are similarities between animals or plants doesn't meant that they evolved into or from one another. I could take a walk in the woods and compare blades of grasses and make up an elaborate explanation based on similarities that one type of grass was the original and it came into existance so many hundred billion years ago and then this type of grass evolved...etc.. (ever so slowly, mind you, because it takes millions of years for the nursery magic to happen) Things do not turn into other things. There is a far cry between evolution and adaptation. Creatures were created with adaptations to enable them to live in different environments or under certain circumstances. They used to say that our tailbone was a vestigal organ. Okay, then, let's have them surgically removed and see if we miss them.
Take, for instance, the skulls of different races of humans and compare them to monkeys. Are you going to say that the human skulls that are more similar to monkeys are less evolved than those that are more different than monkeys? Dogs? Different breeds of dogs, fish or humans do not prove evolution at all in the same way that different kinds of rocks don't, different colors of hair, etc. The only way that anyone can make this assertion is if they already believe in the THEORY of evolution and base all of their reasoning upon that BELIEF.
I haven't been paying much attention to the debate here, partly because I've been busy with other things, and partly because it's been kind of meandering around and not going anywhere interesting. Evolution is something that interests me though, but I don't think this is the best place for a debate about it.
Would you like to come on over to Intensity (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php)? We can have a one-on-one debate there, no holds barred, no interruptions, no moderation, winner is voted on by the membership and bestows a custom title on the loser. It's the best chance you'll get for upholding your beliefs in public, and I bet you think I'd look good with 'Rabid Atheist' or something similar as my custom title.
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Kevv and her are close i think.
maybe he can ask her to meet you here.
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I asked her on WP, and also on pearsofwisdom, so she shouldn't have any problems finding us. I've offered to give her as long as she wants though to take up the challenge; not the usual 48 hours, since she's not a member here.
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From http://pearlsofwisdom.forumup.com/viewtopic.php?p=2602&mforum=pearlsofwisdom#2602:
PeterM wrote: I've wondered about the 'gay' bit too. It doesn't make it terribly clear, but there's a suspicious amount of stuff about 'for those who like hot guys in kilts', though maybe it's a club where they crash bars together and steal all the women.
You have quite an imagination, PeterM. It's no wonder you believe in evolution :roll: ! Just teasing you, you're a very nice young man; I hope I'm not pushing my luck!
You're very nice too, but I challenged you to a debate in intensity for your post on WP. Actually, I was surprised I didn't find you listed in the membership over there. You'd fit in well. There's usually a 48 hour time-limit on challenges, but I'll let you take it up whenever you want, if you'd like to take time to settle in over there.
Linky, since Alex is deleting intensity links on WP.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?topic=191.0
I have debated Evolution, Intelligent Design, Adaption and whatever to no avail Myself. Peter does it matter where You debated at? The links seem to still be working too.
It does matter. A debate on WP can go on an on and round and round and never get anywhere, as people come and go and interrupt and wander off on tangents. On intensity, there's a clear, uninterrupted debate between two parties on a set subject, with a winner declared at the end. It's an altogether more formal and satisfying method, which encourages people to really take a stand and pit their position against someone else's.
Also, I didn't mean the links had been deleted; just that they could be deleted without warning in the future.
I see. You could have the debate here too? If she willing to debate it?
We could debate it here, if she was willing, but I really would rather do it on Intensity. I don't think this is the best place for heavy-duty debating; your 'Politics and Religion' forum has 'Please, no fist fights!' tagged under it.
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There is no tags in the "Politics and Religion" forum has not "Please no fist fights" under it.
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Bland's an NT, she wont have a fair fight, shed rather play the game like most NT's.
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You don't mean... the NT game!? :o
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There is no tags in the "Politics and Religion" forum has not "Please no fist fights" under it.
(http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h177/petermackenzie2/Linked%20to/no_fist_fights.jpg)
Bland's an NT, she wont have a fair fight, shed rather play the game like most NT's.
PeterM, Intensity is downright uncivilized! :shameonyou: I don't think that the actual rules of debate are upheld over there on the dark side. :twisted: :lol: :lol: :lol:
But I do appreciate the offer. You're too kind. :wink:
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This is really the icing on the cake. I always thought that woman wrote the most complete load of bollocks I've seen in my entire life; but to see she's into that fucking creationist crap proves she really hasn't any capacity for rational thought... well, almost. ;)
Now now; let's not dismiss her before the debate is up. After all; she might beat me! :D
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Reposted from http://pearlsofwisdom.forumup.com/viewtopic.php?p=2618&mforum=pearlsofwisdom#2618
(http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h177/petermackenzie2/Linked%20to/no_fist_fights.jpg)
jungle_girl created the forums I never read to closely enough to see it.
We could Peter MacKenzie could create a separate forum for You and Bland to post Your competing ideals and only have jungle_girl and I be the only others ones to be allowed to Moderate it then.
We could Peter MacKenzie could create a separate forum for You and Bland to post Your competing ideals and only have jungle_girl and I be the only others ones to be allowed to Moderate it then.
A debating forum would a nice addition, and such an arrangement would be acceptable to me, if somewhat of a compromise. We've still to hear definitively from Bland on the matter though. The only reply I've had so far has been:
PeterM, Intensity is downright uncivilized! :shameonyou: I don't think that the actual rules of debate are upheld over there on the dark side. :twisted: :lol: :lol: :lol:
But I do appreciate the offer. You're too kind. :wink:
(http://www.wrongplanet.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=212410#212410)
She doesn't sound very serious there.
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I am not very serious, only because I don't want to tear your little hiny to shreds, PeterM! Twisted Evil
No, seriously, I am enrolled in college and don't have time
I guess that's that then. I'm kind of dissapointed.
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how much time does it take to state your opinion?
unless your opinion requires a ton of research to provide the Bullshit necessary to support your claim.
it will take about 20 minutes a day, max. and besides, if your going to college you are going to have to learn to argue a position. you do want to get good grades don't you? this would be a fantastic warmup, for those brainwashing professors.
your argument does not hold water.
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Can you fight with kev over man skirts -oops- I mean kilts?
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I have added a Debate Forum to Pearls of Wisdom.
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Can you fight with kev over man skirts -oops- I mean kilts?
That not even a fight. :laugh:
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You see, my dear people, the reason that I have not gotten seriously and deeply involved in a debate on Creation vs. Evolution is because I don't believe I can do it justice in my present situation. I have heard the debate and it can be well done but I am not joking around when I complain about college. I am taking only three classes but I also have 6 (count them, 1,2,3,4,5,6) kids ranging in age from 4 to 19 and a husband and I have cleaning jobs (yes, I'm a cleaning lady but I don't wear a french maid's uniform, just jeans and a t-shirt). I am currently making a 3.95 gpa (very proud of that) and barely keeping up with my own household duties and my children with all of their activities and drama! I do not want to do my Lord and His Creation an injustice by sloppily and half-heartedly debating one of the most fundamental issues of our time. I do not dislike evolutionists (especially not PeterM because he's so dang charming and cute) but I will smoke him in a debate. Now I don't want to scare the kilt off of you but maybe this summer when my classes drop to only 2 and after my kids' graduation open houses I might be able to take you on. :twisted: In the mean time we could just do a little jousting on the thread that J-Girl and Keven have provided. Not truly a real debate but some bantering. Some exchange of opposing views.
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Wel, tell her that if she doesn't hurry up and speak up for what she believes on, the world is going to move on without her, science is going to have its way, and she's going to be looked on as an antique curiousity, a museum fanatic.
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That's the debate (http://pearlsofwisdom.forumup.com/viewtopic.php?p=2713&mforum=pearlsofwisdom&sid=cfb306316507951327a12c7d6dfb46e0#2713) underway, or at least a debate. We're not really on evolution at the moment; more general creationism stuff.
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Wel, tell her that if she doesn't hurry up and speak up for what she believes on, the world is going to move on without her, science is going to have its way, and she's going to be looked on as an antique curiousity, a museum fanatic.
Sadly, as science moves on and becomes increasingly specialised, sophisticated and incomprehensible to lay-persons, religion and supernaturalism are increasing to fill the gaps left in people's mindscapes by theories and information that have exceeded their cognitive abilities and education. Religious fanaticism is most definately not a receeding phenomena; it just went through a temporary recession while science was powerful enough to explain, at least in principle, most known (at the time) phenomena, but simple enough to be understandable almost in it's entirety by a moderately well educated person of average intellect.
Nowadays, unless a topic happens to be their field of specialisation, even the brightest and most educated are forced to take on faith, and the assurances of the specialists, the more esoteric of theories. How many people are capable even in principle of understanding string theory at the mathematical level? Even fairly simple concepts such as mechanisms of gene-mutation ellude a majority of the population.
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http://pearlsofwisdom.forumup.com/viewtopic.php?p=1050&mforum=pearlsofwisdom#1050
I am fundamental in that I believe in the inspired Word of God; that it is the Word of God in it's original form. That the Bible is the final authority in all matters of conscience and faith. I believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible. God eternally exists in three persons, the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. I believe in the literal 6 day creation. I believe in the resurrection. I believe that there will be a judgment one day. I believe in salvation through God's grace through belief in His son and his finished work on the cross. That all of our good deeds are as filthy rags to God but faith in His son's sacrifice on our behalf is all that is necessary for salvation from the judgment unto damnation. I believe that God is longsuffering and merciful and has accomplished all of the work for us and opened the way of salvation, freely for all who will recieve it. I believe in the rapture of 1 and 2 Thess. and the Apocalypse of Revelation.
The six days of Creation sound very literal because the Bible states 'there was morning and evening, the first day' and so on. I don't find this to be a problem because if God is able to create anything at all, then He is able to do it in a millisecond, or less if He wants. Adding millions of years doesn't make any sense to me. Also, there is alot of evidence for a young earth, you just don't hear about it because most scientists are trying to validate evolution or at least starting their presuppositions from the evolutionary model. Before the theory of evolution became vogue, scientists did not have a problem with a young earth. But since evolution has become the official religion of science, they need to prove the earth to be billions of years old. There are no qualifiers on the Judgement day so it is possible this could be a time period or one day.
Meh. I'm going to have my work cut out for me on this one.
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aww Pete, you were beaten before you started.
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heh, thats a pretty cut and dried one... from reading that, you won't convince her to budge an inch, any more than a fundie can budge an atheist one inch, because the veracity of the argument boils down to your degree of faith in a book. just throw in the towel now peter before you give yourself a migraine.
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Yeah, I'm with Dunc on that one. Debate her on something unrelated to religion, then toss religion in as a curveball if you want, once her words have already demonstrated some other logical fallacy. But head to head is going to be an exercise in futility.
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oh well in that case, keep at it Pete.
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oh well in that case, keep at it Pete.
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