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Arena for the Competitive => Main Event Callouts => Topic started by: Al Swearegen on June 21, 2008, 11:16:11 AM

Title: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on June 21, 2008, 11:16:11 AM
Let's have a talk.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on June 21, 2008, 03:28:27 PM
About?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on June 21, 2008, 05:09:57 PM
The guy is a little shit. I just want to abuse him a little.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Parts on June 21, 2008, 06:46:05 PM
Are you hitting on him :laugh:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on June 21, 2008, 07:41:27 PM
Are you hitting on him :laugh:

Nah. I would like to HIT him though.
I2 Octagon - "Two men walk in one Sir_Les walks out"  :asthing:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on June 21, 2008, 08:19:34 PM
Is this the Bunfight at the OK Tearooms?

My money is on the Cultural Attache.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on June 22, 2008, 05:21:28 PM
The guy is a little shit. I just want to abuse him a little.

You know him?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on June 22, 2008, 10:41:32 PM
Yeah I know him. He is 22 going on 8. He is a little punk. He needs an arse-kicking and my size 10s need a workout.

This was an AFF thread where he got all butthurt. I still do not know what he was saying I did or why I am the cause of him having to pull his site down.

http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=13606&page=1

THis is what he put on his blog about me:

http://www.aspieweb.net/what-you-can-do-and-thanks/

This is his sole contribution to Zomgaspies:

http://www.zomgaspies.com/hey-idiots-t15196.html

Now he is lurking here.


Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on June 22, 2008, 10:43:22 PM
Is this the Bunfight at the OK Tearooms?

My money is on the Cultural Attache.  :thumbup:

 :plus:

Bloody good bet.

The kid is a butthurt lolcow.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Callaway on June 22, 2008, 11:36:12 PM
Yeah I know him. He is 22 going on 8. He is a little punk. He needs an arse-kicking and my size 10s need a workout.

This was an AFF thread where he got all butthurt. I still do not know what he was saying I did or why I am the cause of him having to pull his site down.

http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=13606&page=1

THis is what he put on his blog about me:

http://www.aspieweb.net/what-you-can-do-and-thanks/

This is his sole contribution to Zomgaspies:

http://www.zomgaspies.com/hey-idiots-t15196.html

Now he is lurking here.




OK, I read the thread on AFF and the blog on Aspie web, but I was unable to see the ZOMG link.

I liked the letter you sent and I could find no problem at all with it. 

Anbuend, of course, gave good advice.  I really like her a lot.

I can't believe he actually took his own website down because of what you said in that thread.

The only thing that I can figure, since I don't know him, is that he must have been under a lot of stress because of the Autism Squeaks situation and he took it out on you because you were the closest "safe" target.  You know, kind of like when your kid is really good for his teacher in kindergarten, but takes his frustration out on his parents when he gets home because he has to let off steam somewhere?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on June 23, 2008, 02:13:22 AM
I think the thread was titled "Hey Idiots" and his sum contribution to it was "Stop flaming other forums"

I think your explaination of why he is a dork may be accurate OR he could be a dickhead.

Either way I still think he should come in here and stop lurking.

I am going to PM him
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on June 23, 2008, 06:16:46 AM
Just read some of the thread on AFF. What a fucktard, what a turd, what an imbecile. Give him the biggest fucking cyber kick you can, Sir Les.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on June 23, 2008, 03:31:43 PM
So, we need him here. We always need fresh meat. ;D
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on June 23, 2008, 05:01:35 PM
Fresh victims for the ever-growing army of the undead.... >:D >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on June 24, 2008, 02:28:12 AM
No response yet. Cowardly little Lurker.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Phlexor on June 24, 2008, 03:15:13 AM
 :green:

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Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: renaeden on June 24, 2008, 03:17:55 AM
Haha, that's awesome!
:plus:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Callaway on June 24, 2008, 12:05:47 PM
 :lol:

 :plus:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on June 24, 2008, 02:22:39 PM
:laugh: +
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Post by: Al Swearegen on June 24, 2008, 04:16:31 PM
 :plus:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on June 24, 2008, 04:41:06 PM
Question............Why are we getting our knickers in a knot over lurkers??   I mean, keep calling them out, but, if they don't respond, they are obviously chicken shit and not worth the energy!   :hahaha:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Phlexor on June 24, 2008, 04:51:45 PM
You're not my real dad, you cant tell me what to do!!!  :P





 :green:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on June 24, 2008, 05:12:19 PM
You're not my real dad, you cant tell me what to do!!!  :P





 :green:

HEY, don't talk back to your elders, you young whippersnapper!  Otherwise, I'll have Auntie Dr. Lucifer shrink your testicles to the size of microbes!   :evillaugh:  When she comes back!   ;)
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on June 24, 2008, 05:26:03 PM
Question............Why are we getting our knickers in a knot over lurkers??   I mean, keep calling them out, but, if they don't respond, they are obviously chicken shit and not worth the energy!   :hahaha:

Cos if people pick on them long enough, they might stay to make a response. Then they'll cop even more. It's like telemarketing.....
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on June 24, 2008, 05:46:18 PM
Question............Why are we getting our knickers in a knot over lurkers??   I mean, keep calling them out, but, if they don't respond, they are obviously chicken shit and not worth the energy!   :hahaha:

Cos if people pick on them long enough, they might stay to make a response. Then they'll cop even more. It's like telemarketing.....

Over the years, I have seen many lurkers and most of them never post or respond in any way.  I think they're a group that just likes to read or maybe they're people doing research or whatever.  It used to bother me, but, now it doesn't.  It just seems to be a fact of life on any message board!  Many people sign up, but, never participate.  There were a few hundred like that on AI.  Not spambots either. 

So what I'm saying is pick away to your hearts content, but, don't be surprised if they remain silent!  I have no use for that type of member!  Except for mindless amusement! :hahaha:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on June 24, 2008, 07:00:48 PM
I wonder how many of them are from WP or AFF, and when they read what we've said about them they go back to those places and bawl and scream that those nasty people on I2 are getting at them? Bound to be a few.....
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Phlexor on June 24, 2008, 07:31:13 PM
You're not my real dad, you cant tell me what to do!!!  :P





 :green:

HEY, don't talk back to your elders, you young whippersnapper!  Otherwise, I'll have Auntie Dr. Lucifer shrink your testicles to the size of microbes!   :evillaugh:  When she comes back!   ;)

Yes Sir  :(
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Phlexor on June 24, 2008, 07:33:49 PM
Question............Why are we getting our knickers in a knot over lurkers??   I mean, keep calling them out, but, if they don't respond, they are obviously chicken shit and not worth the energy!   :hahaha:

Cos if people pick on them long enough, they might stay to make a response. Then they'll cop even more. It's like telemarketing.....

Fuck, those pussies must take one look at us motherfuckers and cry like little bitches.

Ya gotta real 'em in with honey and then BAM! Kick 'em in the groin...
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on June 24, 2008, 07:37:53 PM
I wonder how many of them are from WP or AFF, and when they read what we've said about them they go back to those places and bawl and scream that those nasty people on I2 are getting at them? Bound to be a few.....

I wonder too, but, I also think that if they want to scream "like a girl" and pout and cry about what they see here............Fuck em.   I am so tired of places that coddle and cater to "sensitive" types.   If people are sensitive then stay where  you can be comfortable like AFF or WP or OTS.  And that is not meant to be mean spirited, but, meant to be cautionary.

This is the internet, if your easily offended, then you should think twice about having access to the internet.   :indeed:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on June 24, 2008, 07:53:16 PM
Question............Why are we getting our knickers in a knot over lurkers??   I mean, keep calling them out, but, if they don't respond, they are obviously chicken shit and not worth the energy!   :hahaha:

Cos if people pick on them long enough, they might stay to make a response. Then they'll cop even more. It's like telemarketing.....

Fuck, those pussies must take one look at us motherfuckers and cry like little bitches.

Ya gotta real 'em in with honey and then BAM! Kick 'em int he groin...


OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH  YYYYYEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH.   :P
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on June 25, 2008, 12:34:55 AM
I wonder how many of them are from WP or AFF, and when they read what we've said about them they go back to those places and bawl and scream that those nasty people on I2 are getting at them? Bound to be a few.....

I wonder too, but, I also think that if they want to scream "like a girl" and pout and cry about what they see here............Fuck em.   I am so tired of places that coddle and cater to "sensitive" types.   If people are sensitive then stay where  you can be comfortable like AFF or WP or OTS.  And that is not meant to be mean spirited, but, meant to be cautionary.

This is the internet, if your easily offended, then you should think twice about having access to the internet.   :indeed:

Exactly! :agreed:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on June 25, 2008, 04:02:59 PM
Question............Why are we getting our knickers in a knot over lurkers??   I mean, keep calling them out, but, if they don't respond, they are obviously chicken shit and not worth the energy!   :hahaha:

Because we need fresh meat.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on June 25, 2008, 04:34:07 PM
It seems everyone on that AFF thread was getting stuck into him from what I heard last night. Stupid dead horse doesn't know when he's been flogged, fucked or burned....

But he definitely has been  :pwned:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on June 25, 2008, 06:10:31 PM
Question............Why are we getting our knickers in a knot over lurkers??   I mean, keep calling them out, but, if they don't respond, they are obviously chicken shit and not worth the energy!   :hahaha:

Because we need fresh meat.

 :devour: :gator: :shark: :bloody: :deadhorse:  Yeah, I guess your right!   :zombiefuck:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on June 25, 2008, 10:58:41 PM
Well he has been invited here, at his website and at AFF (thanks to Pandora) to come over here and..............?

Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on June 25, 2008, 11:25:36 PM
Actually, Pandora told him to be a man and to take his petty squabble over to I2 so he could get a real dressing down. Told him to be a man andto stop behaving like the little cry-baby that he is. You know how I know this? Cos I typed the message.....  >:D :lol:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Parts on June 26, 2008, 10:45:29 AM
Fucking post anything already even if it's just porn

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Post by: ozymandias on June 26, 2008, 03:53:29 PM
 :indeed:
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Post by: odeon on June 26, 2008, 03:55:35 PM
Fucking post anything already even if it's just porn

That woman scares me. :o
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Post by: ozymandias on June 26, 2008, 04:14:16 PM
 :yawn:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on June 26, 2008, 04:47:12 PM
She looks a little bit like one of those bitches from Big Brother. No wonder they call the later edition 'Big Mouth'...... :squit:
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Post by: ozymandias on June 26, 2008, 04:50:25 PM
Not a very erotic picture, I've seen better BJ pics!  :thumbdn:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on June 26, 2008, 05:16:36 PM
I've seen a good one with Gillian Anderson's head morphed onto some bimbo giving someone a blowjob. It was called the Sex Files with a triple green X over the wording. Would have been funny had it been Duchovny's dick morphed on as well. Think it was more than like Holmes's.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on June 26, 2008, 05:23:17 PM
I've seen a good one with Gillian Anderson's head morphed onto some bimbo giving someone a blowjob. It was called the Sex Files with a triple green X over the wording. Would have been funny had it been Duchovny's dick morphed on as well. Think it was more than like Holmes's.

I think I might have seen that one.   :evillaugh:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Parts on June 26, 2008, 05:42:00 PM
I've seen better but it was what was available at the time
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Post by: renaeden on July 02, 2008, 03:39:12 AM
TheZach has joined Gestalt.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Parts on July 03, 2008, 04:10:21 PM
Apparently he makes shirts
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt70638.html
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Natalia Evans on July 03, 2008, 11:39:19 PM
From what I read in the thread by The Zach regarding his t-shirts vs autism speaks, it looked like a misundestanding. Some people take negative words personally like WTF, and hell. Also the fact Sir Less told him he doesn't care about him and doesn't like him, and telling someone else to shut up.


I used to like TheZach until a mother posted a thread about her 19 year old aspie getting in trouble when he was 17 for burning tree stumps with a friend. He told her it was all bullshit and aspies do too know right from wrong. I was put off by that. I couldn't even follow the rules when I was a kid because kids were always breaking them so it confused the hell out of me. I would go onto thinking it was okay to do them and the rules have been changed. I thought that was an aspie issue because I did read when I was 15 autistic kids learn the rules and they can get very confused if they get broken. That explained a lot about me. Maybe it's more of an autie problem, not an aspie problem?
Worst of all how TheZach was acting in the thread; cursing, throwing insults at people. I didn't like that and Gareth allowed that. He said he is only doing it because they insulted him, they did not. And I thought Amy and Gareth had a rule about attacking members but I guess I was wrong.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on July 04, 2008, 02:35:12 PM
OMG, cursing? Swearing? How the fuck will he fit in here at I2? :GA:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Natalia Evans on July 04, 2008, 06:44:48 PM
OMG, cursing? Swearing? How the fuck will he fit in here at I2? :GA:


Isn't that allowed here?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Pyraxis on July 04, 2008, 07:34:09 PM
I hope you're not serious. Of course cursing and swearing is allowed here.

Find some rules here and break them; it'll be good for publicity.  :P
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Callaway on July 04, 2008, 08:33:07 PM
OMG, cursing? Swearing? How the fuck will he fit in here at I2? :GA:


Isn't that allowed here?

Of course you are right.  That was a joke.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: renaeden on July 05, 2008, 06:14:26 AM
Some aspie/autistics know right from wrong and some don't. We are all different. So maybe The Zach made it sound as though all aspies know right from wrong when he didn't mean to.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on July 05, 2008, 06:29:18 AM
Some aspie/autistics know right from wrong and some don't. We are all different. So maybe The Zach made it sound as though all aspies know right from wrong when he didn't mean to.

THe other thing is that The Zach is a fuckwit (medically speaking) and needs his arse kicked around.
Fresh meat ---> Illusion (ask him about multi-culturalism and the place in the world of gays in the social order. He is fun too.  >:D
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: renaeden on July 05, 2008, 06:44:41 AM
Sounds like he would get along well with Phuc Yu.
:D
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on July 05, 2008, 07:27:28 AM
That's what I was thinking.  :laugh:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Phlexor on July 05, 2008, 12:07:42 PM
Are we trying to set them up on a date?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on July 05, 2008, 03:21:41 PM
OMG, cursing? Swearing? How the fuck will he fit in here at I2? :GA:


Isn't that allowed here?

Fuck no.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on July 05, 2008, 03:22:32 PM
Are we trying to set them up on a date?

Only if they post reports here.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on July 05, 2008, 05:56:37 PM
So TheZach is a pansie ass wuss who doesn't like play unless he's "protected".   Fuck him then and let him troll like the little pussy that he is!  :finger:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on July 05, 2008, 06:16:23 PM
Are we trying to set them up on a date?
:plus: :laugh:

Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Phlexor on July 05, 2008, 09:51:19 PM
Are we trying to set them up on a date?

Only if they post reports here.

Agreed. We need to see if we are making a difference in peoples lives.

Maybe we need a testimonials sub group.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Natalia Evans on July 05, 2008, 09:59:02 PM
So TheZach is a pansie ass wuss who doesn't like play unless he's "protected".   Fuck him then and let him troll like the little pussy that he is!  :finger:

I didn't know lurking here is trolling.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Phlexor on July 05, 2008, 10:07:59 PM
So TheZach is a pansie ass wuss who doesn't like play unless he's "protected".   Fuck him then and let him troll like the little pussy that he is!  :finger:

I didn't know lurking here is trolling.

Didn't you get the memo?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: renaeden on July 05, 2008, 10:30:21 PM
So TheZach is a pansie ass wuss who doesn't like play unless he's "protected".   Fuck him then and let him troll like the little pussy that he is!  :finger:
And he has left it too long now. As soon as he starts posting (or if he starts posting) he's in for it!
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on July 06, 2008, 05:49:44 AM
So TheZach is a pansie ass wuss who doesn't like play unless he's "protected".   Fuck him then and let him troll like the little pussy that he is!  :finger:
And he has left it too long now. As soon as he starts posting (or if he starts posting) he's in for it!

 :evillaugh:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Phlexor on July 06, 2008, 09:42:05 AM
So TheZach is a pansie ass wuss who doesn't like play unless he's "protected".   Fuck him then and let him troll like the little pussy that he is!  :finger:
And he has left it too long now. As soon as he starts posting (or if he starts posting) he's in for it!

I assume when you say he is in for it, you mean a brutal and possibly unending hazing.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on July 06, 2008, 02:12:34 PM
So TheZach is a pansie ass wuss who doesn't like play unless he's "protected".   Fuck him then and let him troll like the little pussy that he is!  :finger:
And he has left it too long now. As soon as he starts posting (or if he starts posting) he's in for it!

:laugh: Did anyone actually respect the 30-day rookie period, ever?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Callaway on July 06, 2008, 03:21:59 PM
So TheZach is a pansie ass wuss who doesn't like play unless he's "protected".   Fuck him then and let him troll like the little pussy that he is!  :finger:
And he has left it too long now. As soon as he starts posting (or if he starts posting) he's in for it!

:laugh: Did anyone actually respect the 30-day rookie period, ever?

Sure, we did.

 :green:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on July 06, 2008, 03:24:43 PM
Especially with the sensitive n00bs.  ;D
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on July 06, 2008, 04:17:09 PM
The 30 day period was semi ignored or followed depending upon the person joining! 
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Natalia Evans on July 06, 2008, 10:23:29 PM
So TheZach is a pansie ass wuss who doesn't like play unless he's "protected".   Fuck him then and let him troll like the little pussy that he is!  :finger:

I didn't know lurking here is trolling.

Didn't you get the memo?


What memo? Now I'm lost. I was being sarcastic when I said I didn't know lurking here is trolling. Now I just learned by reading the newer posts here that we have to make posts or else. But what if someone registered here and then left and never came back?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Callaway on July 06, 2008, 10:34:48 PM
So TheZach is a pansie ass wuss who doesn't like play unless he's "protected".   Fuck him then and let him troll like the little pussy that he is!  :finger:

I didn't know lurking here is trolling.

Didn't you get the memo?


What memo? Now I'm lost. I was being sarcastic when I said I didn't know lurking here is trolling. Now I just learned by reading the newer posts here that we have to make posts or else. But what if someone registered here and then left and never came back?

Another joke, in response to your joke, Spokane Girl.

 :green:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on July 06, 2008, 10:37:48 PM
I think I was pissed as a parrot and in a drunken call out within the first 30 days.  :-\
Sensitive people are more fun to play with especially when they are arseholes and you are bored.   >:D
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Callaway on July 06, 2008, 10:46:28 PM
I think I was pissed as a parrot and in a drunken call out within the first 30 days.  :-\
Sensitive people are more fun to play with especially when they are arseholes and you are bored.   >:D

I think that Zach might be sensitive, since you appear to have scared him off just by asking him to have a talk with you.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on July 07, 2008, 01:08:35 AM
I think I was pissed as a parrot and in a drunken call out within the first 30 days.  :-\
Sensitive people are more fun to play with especially when they are arseholes and you are bored.   >:D

I think that Zach might be sensitive, since you appear to have scared him off just by asking him to have a talk with you.

You may have to throw down the gauntlet at AFF again, Sir Les. Either the fucker can't read or he really is that stupid. Wish half those fuckers who spy on zOMG would stop lurking too (especially those WP 'tards); then we could really have some fun. Between here and there, a good reaming is on the cards for any dipshit.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on July 07, 2008, 04:08:46 PM
Bringing the drama here from other forums is boooooooooooooooooring.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on July 07, 2008, 04:16:06 PM
Gimme a break, the drama from WP was brought over to TheNeurolands, OTS, I2, AFF, Zomg, Aspiechaos, AI, etc, etc, etc.  It will never end!  People complained about the drama from ole aspergia, but that died down after a couple of years, after people realized that aspergia was dead and submerged in the AByss of cyberspace.  Except for the ole forum OC grudge bearers.  AS long as WP exists, the drama will never end. 
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on July 07, 2008, 04:35:30 PM
Still boring, though, don't you agree?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Callaway on July 07, 2008, 05:14:19 PM
Gimme a break, the drama from WP was brought over to TheNeurolands, OTS, I2, AFF, Zomg, Aspiechaos, AI, etc, etc, etc.  It will never end!  People complained about the drama from ole aspergia, but that died down after a couple of years, after people realized that aspergia was dead and submerged in the AByss of cyberspace.  Except for the ole forum OC grudge bearers.  AS long as WP exists, the drama will never end. 

 :lol:

Good point.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Natalia Evans on July 07, 2008, 05:21:19 PM
Bringing the drama here from other forums is boooooooooooooooooring.


I like it.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Natalia Evans on July 07, 2008, 05:26:43 PM
Lot of drama entertains me. People say lot of interesting things. Shleed came back to WP and posed as a teen who is being stalked. Then he eventually confessed it's him and there is no lollylongs and no stalker. What a relief. But lot of members got pissed and a drama started on there between them and Zomg. It even started a drama on there too about WP and the people there. Then it died down unfortunately.


Fixed spelling error.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on July 07, 2008, 05:46:00 PM
As far as lurking is concerned, a lot of people register on forums and NEVER post a thing.  Ex. on AI, out of approx. 1100 members, I estimate 500 never posted.  If you go to the membership lists here or on theNeurolands, you may find at least 40-50% have no posts listed in their profile.  Go to WP and you would find the same, I wager.  Now I will grant that some may be spambots, but, after my time as admin. on AI and TheNeurolands I have built up a pretty good guess as to who is legitimate and who is not. 

My point, many register, few post.  As far as I'm concerened, lurking is not that big a deal, it's not really trolling, just curious and maybe a bit shy or not ready to deal with stuff online.  And certainly the drama that has been presented from Aspergia to AI to WP to AFF to FAMsecretsocietyto OTS to aspergianelders to aspergianworldcouncil to Zomg to aspiechaos to here to the Delphi forums to etc, etc, etc., would give any sane person pause before jumping in.

The prosecution rests! :fart: :tantrum: :smashviolin: :deadhorse: :hint: :brick: :techprob: :hitler: :beware: :goat: :lolhit: :blah: :fsm:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on July 07, 2008, 06:28:41 PM
Speaking of lurking, I just checked and Nomaken, who hasn't posted in an Ice age has been lurking.  Last on June 26th.   Must be getting more research for his thesis!   :finger:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Pyraxis on July 07, 2008, 06:52:25 PM
You don't like Nomaken?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on July 07, 2008, 07:15:03 PM
You don't like Nomaken?

Now, whatever gave you that idea?   8)
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Pyraxis on July 07, 2008, 07:17:15 PM
I'm just wondering what the hell he did to piss you off. He seemed like a harmless, if mildly disgusting, guy.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on July 07, 2008, 07:31:54 PM
I'm just wondering what the hell he did to piss you off. He seemed like a harmless, if mildly disgusting, guy.

Add manipulative, goading behind the scenes (as told to me from people who were goaded by him), and a poseur of high level.  In fact, until Cal came along I considered him the biggest fraud/poseur topped only by Tombo/zoologist in making statements to assess other people's reactions.  Disgusting, yes, harmless, well, I guess that is in the eye of the beholder.  "It" seemed to delight in saying things that would make people with AS look bad.  But, in the long run, "it" didn't even qualify for the top 10 of forum(s) members that make us look bad. 

Any association with "it" makes me queesy.  Thats why I had my name removed from any assoc. with the development of the "Free for all" forum.

It is one person, that the door is locked, bolted, sealed and bricked up..........................permanently!
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Pyraxis on July 07, 2008, 09:05:38 PM
Huh. All that must have blown straight past me. Each to their own opinions, I guess.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Natalia Evans on July 07, 2008, 09:32:41 PM
As far as lurking is concerned, a lot of people register on forums and NEVER post a thing.  Ex. on AI, out of approx. 1100 members, I estimate 500 never posted.  If you go to the membership lists here or on theNeurolands, you may find at least 40-50% have no posts listed in their profile.  Go to WP and you would find the same, I wager.  Now I will grant that some may be spambots, but, after my time as admin. on AI and TheNeurolands I have built up a pretty good guess as to who is legitimate and who is not. 

My point, many register, few post.  As far as I'm concerened, lurking is not that big a deal, it's not really trolling, just curious and maybe a bit shy or not ready to deal with stuff online.  And certainly the drama that has been presented from Aspergia to AI to WP to AFF to FAMsecretsocietyto OTS to aspergianelders to aspergianworldcouncil to Zomg to aspiechaos to here to the Delphi forums to etc, etc, etc., would give any sane person pause before jumping in.

The prosecution rests! :fart: :tantrum: :smashviolin: :deadhorse: :hint: :brick: :techprob: :hitler: :beware: :goat: :lolhit: :blah: :fsm:


Or they have nothing to say. That's another reason to not make posts. I am on a couple of forums and I hardly post. I go there and if I have nothing to say, I don't post. I don't go to one of them much but my boyfriend does. He makes a post every time he is there. I don't.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ProfessorFarnsworth on July 07, 2008, 10:04:41 PM
Well some people go through a lurking period before even posting (I do it sometimes). From what I see of TheZach from WP, he's a little bitch anyway, a potential lulzcow too.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Natalia Evans on July 07, 2008, 11:51:34 PM
I remember I tried inviting him here last year because I liked his attitude about the self diagnoses. He got banned for it from WP.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on July 08, 2008, 05:23:09 AM
Bringing the drama here from other forums is boooooooooooooooooring.

Totally disagree.
I think that drama is drama no matter where it originates. History good or bad is again not worse or better depending on why?
If a newbie joins then they normally have come from somewhere. If we happen to have a gripe with them, know something funny about them or want to just fuck with them, I call that fair game and it has the "opportunity" to be exciting.
Of course we "could" exclude such gentle debates  but I feel it is a the risk of some laughs.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Phlexor on July 08, 2008, 11:00:35 AM
Drama can be interesting, but after a point it can get boring. It's just some people haven't reached that point yet.

Plus I think each drama has to run its course. You can get interested in new drama while also being bored with older dramas.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on July 08, 2008, 02:35:30 PM
Bringing the drama here from other forums is boooooooooooooooooring.


I like it.

Sometimes it's good for the site, but it gets boring very quickly.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on July 08, 2008, 02:37:15 PM
Bringing the drama here from other forums is boooooooooooooooooring.

Totally disagree.
I think that drama is drama no matter where it originates. History good or bad is again not worse or better depending on why?
If a newbie joins then they normally have come from somewhere. If we happen to have a gripe with them, know something funny about them or want to just fuck with them, I call that fair game and it has the "opportunity" to be exciting.
Of course we "could" exclude such gentle debates  but I feel it is a the risk of some laughs.

I'm not about to exclude anything, I'm just saying *I* think it's boring.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Natalia Evans on July 08, 2008, 03:00:12 PM
Some people enjoy drama and some people don't. That's why I wouldn't argue about rather drama is entertaining or not because everyone has their own taste about it.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on July 08, 2008, 03:23:33 PM
Huh. All that must have blown straight past me. Each to their own opinions, I guess.

I'll concede that I am more sensitive than most to behaviours like that.  All things considered.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on July 08, 2008, 07:10:02 PM
Anyhoo......
http://aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=13814
I think he is oversensitive. I believes I may have it in for him? Don't understand why?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Natalia Evans on July 08, 2008, 08:06:11 PM
I would just stop talking to him if I were you. Since he takes what you say to an extreme, I'd say quit talking to him. When people take things the wrong way what I said, I decide I am never talking to them again. Screw them. That's something new for me unless I am up for getting involved in a drama.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on July 08, 2008, 08:36:43 PM
Anyhoo......
http://aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=13814
I think he is oversensitive. I believes I may have it in for him? Don't understand why?


I think its funny.  :laugh:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: DirtDawg on July 08, 2008, 11:11:28 PM
Anyhoo......
http://aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=13814
I think he is oversensitive. I believes I may have it in for him? Don't understand why?


I think its funny.  :laugh:

Jeez!

I had never spent any time over there before, but tonight I read quite a number of threads from many of their members. I now feel very depressed. I though WP was depressing, but AFF is in its own league.

Heading now to our games forum to find something meaningful to read.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: thepeaguy on July 09, 2008, 08:19:26 AM
Huh. All that must have blown straight past me. Each to their own opinions, I guess.

Seconded. :/

I'm not a big fan of Gnome, but he's hardly embarrassing me. Couldn't give a fig about the AS community being self-conscious over this prick, the moppets.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on July 09, 2008, 09:55:42 AM
Huh. All that must have blown straight past me. Each to their own opinions, I guess.

Seconded. :/

I'm not a big fan of Gnome, but he's hardly embarrassing me. Couldn't give a fig about the AS community being self-conscious about this prick, the moppets.

Agreed, it's just my own personal peeve and and opinion.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: renaeden on July 10, 2008, 09:15:43 PM
Bringing the drama here from other forums is boooooooooooooooooring.
Sometimes it is, I think.

What pisses me off is the fact that people bring drama here without writing the reason why they are complaining. It is like telling a story starting at halfway through it. Part of why I called Phuc Yu out. He started insulting the people on other forums without explaining why.

Anyway, TheZach took all his complaining to Gestalt.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on July 11, 2008, 04:03:05 AM
Oh cool. I would like to perhaps met the young man there and having a chat. You can't tell me the address can you?  >:D
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: renaeden on July 11, 2008, 04:06:44 AM
www.asdgestalt.com

 :evillaugh:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Phlexor on July 11, 2008, 06:28:04 AM
www.asdgestalt.com

 :evillaugh:

It's like throwing a lit match into a puddle of fuel eh?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on July 11, 2008, 08:49:20 AM
Meh, Sophist can handle it. 
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Parts on July 11, 2008, 08:51:38 AM
www.asdgestalt.com

 :evillaugh:

It's like throwing a lit match into a puddle of fuel eh?

Fun isn't it >:D
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on July 11, 2008, 10:36:57 AM
www.asdgestalt.com

 :evillaugh:

Thank you. (Where are my steel capped boots?)
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Parts on July 11, 2008, 10:44:41 AM
www.asdgestalt.com

 :evillaugh:

Thank you. (Where are my steel capped boots?)

Drag him back here so we can watch. >:D
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on July 11, 2008, 03:14:18 PM
Oh cool. I would like to perhaps met the young man there and having a chat. You can't tell me the address can you?  >:D

Watch it. Gestalt is moderated and on topic, a lot of the time.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: DirtDawg on July 11, 2008, 03:19:42 PM
www.asdgestalt.com

 :evillaugh:

It's like throwing a lit match into a puddle of fuel eh?

Wait a minute, I'm lost.

Is TheZach a puddle of fuel or the match?


Honestly, when I read his posts at AFF, he seemed more like a puddle of stuff that does not match.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on July 11, 2008, 04:15:01 PM
Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of these forum battles spilling over into other innocent  forums.  Sir_Les went after Timelord on AspergianPride from a feud on AI.  I smacked that down on AI and warned Bonnie on AP about what she was dealing with.  She was seriously tempted to do some banning on AP, but, settled for a warning to Timelord after he brought his complaints about AFF there.   AP is about "positive" things and has been around since Aspergia sank.  As for Gestalt, Sophist will smack this little spill over down and justifiably so. 

Isn't that why we have I2 and Aspiechaos and Peaguy's new forum???  TimeLord is quite frankly a coward and refuses to come here, but AP is NOT the place to fight him.  If TheZach doesn't want to fight here, then people should NOT be fighting him or stalking him on Gestalt.  Over the years, I have come to see there is a reason for people being banned from forums, whether it's trivial or reasoned.  I banned TimeLord from AI for justifiable reasons and I hope he comes here to confront me about it.

Sophist and the admin. there are IMHO, fully capable of keeping things on topic and within reason. 

Nuff said!
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on July 11, 2008, 04:17:29 PM
www.asdgestalt.com

 :evillaugh:

It's like throwing a lit match into a puddle of fuel eh?

Wait a minute, I'm lost.

Is TheZach a puddle of fuel or the match?


Honestly, when I read his posts at AFF, he seemed more like a puddle of stuff that does not match.

I'm lost too, but, if Amy and Gareth did what they did, I know them well enough to say, that they are well within their rights to do what they want at AFF.  Nuff said!
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Parts on July 11, 2008, 05:17:25 PM
Oh cool. I would like to perhaps met the young man there and having a chat. You can't tell me the address can you?  >:D

Watch it. Gestalt is moderated and on topic, a lot of the time.

That's why they should bring it here and slug it out but methinks TheZach is a pussy when it comes down to it
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on July 11, 2008, 07:19:49 PM
Well I let my intent be known. I gave a reasoned gripe and insulted what he believes in and then left a PM inviting him over. Sorry I can do no more (and will do no more).

http://www.asdgestalt.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2278&p=42499#p42499

Note whilst a little harsh these points are all brutally honest.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Parts on July 11, 2008, 07:25:10 PM
Well I let my intent be known. I gave a reasoned gripe and insulted what he believes in and then left a PM inviting him over. Sorry I can do no more (and will do no more).

http://www.asdgestalt.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2278&p=42499#p42499

Note whilst a little harsh these points are all brutally honest.

That's the only way to be :plus:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Pyraxis on July 11, 2008, 07:28:46 PM
Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of these forum battles spilling over into other innocent  forums.

Huh. For once I actually agree with your moderate viewpoint. This is the kind of shit we're here for. If people don't have the guts to come answer a callout on I2, then they wouldn't last long anyway and probably shouldn't be here.

Though what Sir Les did is cool.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on July 11, 2008, 08:09:26 PM
It says "I am not authorized to read this forum".  Oh well! <shrugs>   ::)
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Natalia Evans on July 11, 2008, 08:34:05 PM
Well I let my intent be known. I gave a reasoned gripe and insulted what he believes in and then left a PM inviting him over. Sorry I can do no more (and will do no more).

http://www.asdgestalt.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2278&p=42499#p42499

Note whilst a little harsh these points are all brutally honest.


Damn I registered for no reason. It won't let me view the thread. What is it about? What are you saying in it?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: renaeden on July 12, 2008, 02:13:50 AM
^ I would have preferred that you registered there with genuine intent rather than just to view gossip. :-\

I am hoping that The Zach comes here and posts now, rather than trying to continue at Gestalt. Some of his posts there were questionable.

Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on July 12, 2008, 02:52:12 AM
Yeah some Admin there Nocturnalist (?) removed it and tried to lecture me and I suppose felt far more empowered for doing so. I thought it was laid on a little thick and that his fear of the situation outweighed his knowledge of what was going on.  Glad no one saw. This way I can talk it up without having to back myself with evidence. It was mostly harmless banter :angel:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on July 12, 2008, 05:21:11 AM
^ I would have preferred that you registered there with genuine intent rather than just to view gossip. :-\

I am hoping that The Zach comes here and posts now, rather than trying to continue at Gestalt. Some of his posts there were questionable.



I registered there at the beginning of Gestalt.  I only went there to be curious.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Parts on July 12, 2008, 05:45:32 AM
It says "I am not authorized to read this forum".  Oh well! <shrugs>   ::)
Could read it yesterday oh well things change
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Phlexor on July 12, 2008, 09:13:10 AM
www.asdgestalt.com

 :evillaugh:

Thank you. (Where are my steel capped boots?)

I think you left them next to your clown wig and knuckle dusters.

(no one said it had to make sense)
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Phlexor on July 12, 2008, 09:13:44 AM
Oh cool. I would like to perhaps met the young man there and having a chat. You can't tell me the address can you?  >:D

Watch it. Gestalt is moderated and on topic, a lot of the time.

Oh the humanity of it all!!!  :zombiefuck:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Phlexor on July 12, 2008, 09:16:52 AM
Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of these forum battles spilling over into other innocent  forums.  Sir_Les went after Timelord on AspergianPride from a feud on AI.  I smacked that down on AI and warned Bonnie on AP about what she was dealing with.  She was seriously tempted to do some banning on AP, but, settled for a warning to Timelord after he brought his complaints about AFF there.   AP is about "positive" things and has been around since Aspergia sank.  As for Gestalt, Sophist will smack this little spill over down and justifiably so. 

Isn't that why we have I2 and Aspiechaos and Peaguy's new forum???  TimeLord is quite frankly a coward and refuses to come here, but AP is NOT the place to fight him.  If TheZach doesn't want to fight here, then people should NOT be fighting him or stalking him on Gestalt.  Over the years, I have come to see there is a reason for people being banned from forums, whether it's trivial or reasoned.  I banned TimeLord from AI for justifiable reasons and I hope he comes here to confront me about it.

Sophist and the admin. there are IMHO, fully capable of keeping things on topic and within reason. 

Nuff said!

Fair enough, but the people involved know what they are doing and are responisble for their actions the consequences that follow.

Pehaps they are just trying to bait them into a fight and wish to try and drag them back here for the kill.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: thepeaguy on July 12, 2008, 09:58:38 AM
Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of these forum battles spilling over into other innocent  forums.  Sir_Les went after Timelord on AspergianPride from a feud on AI.  I smacked that down on AI and warned Bonnie on AP about what she was dealing with.  She was seriously tempted to do some banning on AP, but, settled for a warning to Timelord after he brought his complaints about AFF there.   AP is about "positive" things and has been around since Aspergia sank.  As for Gestalt, Sophist will smack this little spill over down and justifiably so. 

Isn't that why we have I2 and Aspiechaos and Peaguy's new forum???  TimeLord is quite frankly a coward and refuses to come here, but AP is NOT the place to fight him.  If TheZach doesn't want to fight here, then people should NOT be fighting him or stalking him on Gestalt.  Over the years, I have come to see there is a reason for people being banned from forums, whether it's trivial or reasoned.  I banned TimeLord from AI for justifiable reasons and I hope he comes here to confront me about it.

Sophist and the admin. there are IMHO, fully capable of keeping things on topic and within reason. 

Nuff said!

What has my new forum got to do with anything, Ozy?  ???

Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on July 12, 2008, 11:51:41 AM
Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of these forum battles spilling over into other innocent  forums.  Sir_Les went after Timelord on AspergianPride from a feud on AI.  I smacked that down on AI and warned Bonnie on AP about what she was dealing with.  She was seriously tempted to do some banning on AP, but, settled for a warning to Timelord after he brought his complaints about AFF there.   AP is about "positive" things and has been around since Aspergia sank.  As for Gestalt, Sophist will smack this little spill over down and justifiably so. 

Isn't that why we have I2 and Aspiechaos and Peaguy's new forum???  TimeLord is quite frankly a coward and refuses to come here, but AP is NOT the place to fight him.  If TheZach doesn't want to fight here, then people should NOT be fighting him or stalking him on Gestalt.  Over the years, I have come to see there is a reason for people being banned from forums, whether it's trivial or reasoned.  I banned TimeLord from AI for justifiable reasons and I hope he comes here to confront me about it.

Sophist and the admin. there are IMHO, fully capable of keeping things on topic and within reason. 

Nuff said!

What has my new forum got to do with anything, Ozy?  ???



I just thought it would be a good place for people to carry on their problems in a another forum and face some blunt, honesty in reply.  Sorry, I didn't mean to mis interpret what your intentions were about your new forum.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on July 12, 2008, 11:58:12 AM
Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of these forum battles spilling over into other innocent  forums.  Sir_Les went after Timelord on AspergianPride from a feud on AI.  I smacked that down on AI and warned Bonnie on AP about what she was dealing with.  She was seriously tempted to do some banning on AP, but, settled for a warning to Timelord after he brought his complaints about AFF there.   AP is about "positive" things and has been around since Aspergia sank.  As for Gestalt, Sophist will smack this little spill over down and justifiably so. 

Isn't that why we have I2 and Aspiechaos and Peaguy's new forum???  TimeLord is quite frankly a coward and refuses to come here, but AP is NOT the place to fight him.  If TheZach doesn't want to fight here, then people should NOT be fighting him or stalking him on Gestalt.  Over the years, I have come to see there is a reason for people being banned from forums, whether it's trivial or reasoned.  I banned TimeLord from AI for justifiable reasons and I hope he comes here to confront me about it.

Sophist and the admin. there are IMHO, fully capable of keeping things on topic and within reason. 

Nuff said!

Fair enough, but the people involved know what they are doing and are responisble for their actions the consequences that follow.

Pehaps they are just trying to bait them into a fight and wish to try and drag them back here for the kill.

That maybe, but, the forums belong to the person(s) who started it and it's their right to do as they see fit.  Bonnie put her foot down about this over at AP and it's her forum, her perogative.  TimeLord knows about this place, if he doesn't want to come here, thats his choice and by the sound of things no amount of baiting is going to get him here.  Disagree, despise, and hate or whatever another forum, but, respect that they have the right to do as they please.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Phlexor on July 12, 2008, 01:06:32 PM
Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of these forum battles spilling over into other innocent  forums.  Sir_Les went after Timelord on AspergianPride from a feud on AI.  I smacked that down on AI and warned Bonnie on AP about what she was dealing with.  She was seriously tempted to do some banning on AP, but, settled for a warning to Timelord after he brought his complaints about AFF there.   AP is about "positive" things and has been around since Aspergia sank.  As for Gestalt, Sophist will smack this little spill over down and justifiably so. 

Isn't that why we have I2 and Aspiechaos and Peaguy's new forum???  TimeLord is quite frankly a coward and refuses to come here, but AP is NOT the place to fight him.  If TheZach doesn't want to fight here, then people should NOT be fighting him or stalking him on Gestalt.  Over the years, I have come to see there is a reason for people being banned from forums, whether it's trivial or reasoned.  I banned TimeLord from AI for justifiable reasons and I hope he comes here to confront me about it.

Sophist and the admin. there are IMHO, fully capable of keeping things on topic and within reason. 

Nuff said!

Fair enough, but the people involved know what they are doing and are responisble for their actions the consequences that follow.

Pehaps they are just trying to bait them into a fight and wish to try and drag them back here for the kill.

That maybe, but, the forums belong to the person(s) who started it and it's their right to do as they see fit.  Bonnie put her foot down about this over at AP and it's her forum, her perogative.  TimeLord knows about this place, if he doesn't want to come here, thats his choice and by the sound of things no amount of baiting is going to get him here.  Disagree, despise, and hate or whatever another forum, but, respect that they have the right to do as they please.

Well that's one option. Another is do what ever you want where ever you want but expect to face the music. If you think you can handle the outcome, then I say go for it. People are going to have to deal with other peoples bullshit no matter what. It's a fact of life so either learn to accept that it's going to happen and deal with it accordingly or pretty much your only other option is to suffer going against the grain of reality.

As you know, respect cannot be demanded or pleaded for. It has to be earnt and it has to be a choice. Don't worry too much what others are gonna do. As long as you know you did your best to hold up your principals when you could. Can anyone ask any more of themselves?

Personally, I respected how you handled things over at AI, but that's me. I'm sure there were others who could have had something to say, there always is. But who give a shit about them from your point of view. They are just problems that need to be hit with a hammer until the next mole comes along.

Life is about a series of problems, you arent living it when you dont have any problems or you are ignoring the ones you do have.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: thepeaguy on July 12, 2008, 01:21:32 PM
Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of these forum battles spilling over into other innocent  forums.  Sir_Les went after Timelord on AspergianPride from a feud on AI.  I smacked that down on AI and warned Bonnie on AP about what she was dealing with.  She was seriously tempted to do some banning on AP, but, settled for a warning to Timelord after he brought his complaints about AFF there.   AP is about "positive" things and has been around since Aspergia sank.  As for Gestalt, Sophist will smack this little spill over down and justifiably so. 

Isn't that why we have I2 and Aspiechaos and Peaguy's new forum???  TimeLord is quite frankly a coward and refuses to come here, but AP is NOT the place to fight him.  If TheZach doesn't want to fight here, then people should NOT be fighting him or stalking him on Gestalt.  Over the years, I have come to see there is a reason for people being banned from forums, whether it's trivial or reasoned.  I banned TimeLord from AI for justifiable reasons and I hope he comes here to confront me about it.

Sophist and the admin. there are IMHO, fully capable of keeping things on topic and within reason. 

Nuff said!

What has my new forum got to do with anything, Ozy?  ???



I just thought it would be a good place for people to carry on their problems in a another forum and face some blunt, honesty in reply.  Sorry, I didn't mean to mis interpret what your intentions were about your new forum.

It's okay; I wasn't offended or anything.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on July 12, 2008, 01:24:39 PM
Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of these forum battles spilling over into other innocent  forums.

Huh. For once I actually agree with your moderate viewpoint. This is the kind of shit we're here for. If people don't have the guts to come answer a callout on I2, then they wouldn't last long anyway and probably shouldn't be here.

Though what Sir Les did is cool.

 :yikes:  Now there's a first.   :o  Though it's not necessarily a "moderate" viewpoint, but, more common sense or practical understanding.  Most of the time with these battles, I haven't a clue as to what the fuck people are talking about.  For Ex.  If I dragged my negative views of zoologist/tom here, would anybody understand who and what I was ranting about?  That was 4 or so years ago.  The same with the first WP battles that erupted a couple of years ago.  I knew many of you from my first time there and got a little more familiar with you during my second and last active time on wp.  It seemed after that the shit hit the fan and left me feeling, WTF is going on and wtf is everybody going on about?   It's only over some time and getting to know all the combatants and casualties from that war that I actually got a handle on it.  But, I did speak up on OTS and TheNeurolands that the whole anti-wp rants was unproductive and pointless, especially on support forums.  Now here, thats ok, I'm sure cal would love to have some hot controversy over at AspieChaos as well.

When TimeLord brought his AFF grievances over to AspergianPride and Sir_Les took him on.  Not even Bonnie knew what was going on.  I mean she's friendly with Amy and Gareth, but, even she hasn't been to AFF in some time.  She's involved in a ton of other internet stuff.  This stuff with TheZach is nothing to me, I really don't know who he is, and I barely have the time and energy to post this long meandering post.  Let alone follow all the links, posts and arguments that people put up.

So post your grievances away and have fun doing so.  But, if he doesn't come, then, to me, it's just a waste of typing energy, except to blow off steam for those who feel the most rage.

I just will not have the sympathy for those who go to another forum to bait or provoke a fight here.  Then complain that they get banned for doing so.   :blah:

Gee, look at the time, back to the household grind :multitask: :laundry:  Later dudes and dudettes!

Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on July 12, 2008, 01:37:59 PM
Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of these forum battles spilling over into other innocent  forums.  Sir_Les went after Timelord on AspergianPride from a feud on AI.  I smacked that down on AI and warned Bonnie on AP about what she was dealing with.  She was seriously tempted to do some banning on AP, but, settled for a warning to Timelord after he brought his complaints about AFF there.   AP is about "positive" things and has been around since Aspergia sank.  As for Gestalt, Sophist will smack this little spill over down and justifiably so. 

Isn't that why we have I2 and Aspiechaos and Peaguy's new forum???  TimeLord is quite frankly a coward and refuses to come here, but AP is NOT the place to fight him.  If TheZach doesn't want to fight here, then people should NOT be fighting him or stalking him on Gestalt.  Over the years, I have come to see there is a reason for people being banned from forums, whether it's trivial or reasoned.  I banned TimeLord from AI for justifiable reasons and I hope he comes here to confront me about it.

Sophist and the admin. there are IMHO, fully capable of keeping things on topic and within reason. 

Nuff said!

Fair enough, but the people involved know what they are doing and are responisble for their actions the consequences that follow.

Pehaps they are just trying to bait them into a fight and wish to try and drag them back here for the kill.

That maybe, but, the forums belong to the person(s) who started it and it's their right to do as they see fit.  Bonnie put her foot down about this over at AP and it's her forum, her perogative.  TimeLord knows about this place, if he doesn't want to come here, thats his choice and by the sound of things no amount of baiting is going to get him here.  Disagree, despise, and hate or whatever another forum, but, respect that they have the right to do as they please.

Well that's one option. Another is do what ever you want where ever you want but expect to face the music. If you think you can handle the outcome, then I say go for it. People are going to have to deal with other peoples bullshit no matter what. It's a fact of life so either learn to accept that it's going to happen and deal with it accordingly or pretty much your only other option is to suffer going against the grain of reality.

As you know, respect cannot be demanded or pleaded for. It has to be earnt and it has to be a choice. Don't worry too much what others are gonna do. As long as you know you did your best to hold up your principals when you could. Can anyone ask any more of themselves?

Personally, I respected how you handled things over at AI, but that's me. I'm sure there were others who could have had something to say, there always is. But who give a shit about them from your point of view. They are just problems that need to be hit with a hammer until the next mole comes along.

Life is about a series of problems, you arent living it when you dont have any problems or you are ignoring the ones you do have.

Thanks for that.  Of course now that AI seems to be dead, anybody who does have a problem with my actions there would be barking up the wrong tree.   :P  And if they did, I wouldn't give a shit, like you said. 

I agree, that people have to deal with problems and each problem is unique and needs to be handled differently.  My life wasn't a bed of roses and I earned everything I got because it was either adapt or go crawl in a hole and live on the edge for the rest of my life.

People who go to forums have to accept what happens if they cross a line or whatever.   Not every forum is going to be a good fit a person.  I gave that advice to a person who had questions about FAMsecretsociety, they had concerns, I presented a few that I had, but, ultimately I told them to go, check it out, try it on and see if it and they were a good fit.

Also, people don't seem to realize that forums like most of life changes, change happens, people grow, circumstances change.  I'm not the same person that 5 years ago joined Aspergia.  Alex is not the same person he was when I knew him and talked with him.

I know, change isn't the easiest thing for us to deal with, but, thats life, pure and simple.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Phlexor on July 12, 2008, 11:45:36 PM
I just will not have the sympathy for those who go to another forum to bait or provoke a fight here.  Then complain that they get banned for doing so.   :blah:

I get the feeling that some people here see a banning as a badge of honor.

But yeah, you do that shit you have to expect to be banned.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on July 13, 2008, 06:18:26 AM
I just will not have the sympathy for those who go to another forum to bait or provoke a fight here.  Then complain that they get banned for doing so.   :blah:

I get the feeling that some people here see a banning as a badge of honor.

But yeah, you do that shit you have to expect to be banned.

I get the same feeling. 
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Phlexor on July 13, 2008, 09:39:26 AM
I just will not have the sympathy for those who go to another forum to bait or provoke a fight here.  Then complain that they get banned for doing so.   :blah:

I get the feeling that some people here see a banning as a badge of honor.

But yeah, you do that shit you have to expect to be banned.

I get the same feeling. 

Whatever turns their dial I guess...  :thumbup:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: GalileoAce on July 14, 2008, 09:39:22 AM
I don't like TheZach either.
/me jumps on the wagon.


DISCLAIMER: I've read maybe 12 words of this thread. Half of them were Phlexor's post just before mine.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Phlexor on July 15, 2008, 09:07:05 AM
Yeah, Im just an asshole sometimes because it amuses me and me only. Yes I'm happy with that.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on July 16, 2008, 01:19:39 AM
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Yeah some Admin there Nocturnalist (?) removed it and tried to lecture me and I suppose felt far more empowered for doing so. I thought it was laid on a little thick and that his fear of the situation outweighed his knowledge of what was going on.  Glad no one saw. This way I can talk it up without having to back myself with evidence. It was mostly harmless banter :angel:
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So they tried to pull a Wankplanet on you, eh? Fuckers on WP wouldn't know if they'd been  :anal: ,  :flamer: or  :birdpoop: when the  :shitfan: . They are just a bunch of  :dickhead: and  :redneck: :booty: .......
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: richard on July 18, 2008, 01:34:16 PM
this thread is fucking stupid and full of fail. but then again, it doesnt suprise me by seeing as to who made it
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on July 18, 2008, 02:11:04 PM
Yeah some Admin there Nocturnalist (?) removed it and tried to lecture me and I suppose felt far more empowered for doing so. I thought it was laid on a little thick and that his fear of the situation outweighed his knowledge of what was going on.  Glad no one saw. This way I can talk it up without having to back myself with evidence. It was mostly harmless banter :angel:

So they tried to pull a Wankplanet on you, eh? Fuckers on WP wouldn't know if they'd been  :anal: ,  :flamer: or  :birdpoop: when the  :shitfan: . They are just a bunch of  :dickhead: and  :redneck: :booty: .......


Actually Gestalt is not like WP at all. The mods are there because there is already an Intensity, and Gestalt is about ASDs and psychology, anyway, not about flame wars. I think it's pretty lame to attack a board just because they prefer to be if not on topic, then at least friendly.

That's one of the reasons why Intensity exists. This is the place where you can bring your disagreements and your flaming. Just don't expect people to be nice about it. :P

(And none of this means I support WP, btw. WP is something else entirely, since they censor anyone and anything simply because they feel like it.)
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on July 18, 2008, 10:53:29 PM
Yeah some Admin there Nocturnalist (?) removed it and tried to lecture me and I suppose felt far more empowered for doing so. I thought it was laid on a little thick and that his fear of the situation outweighed his knowledge of what was going on.  Glad no one saw. This way I can talk it up without having to back myself with evidence. It was mostly harmless banter :angel:

So they tried to pull a Wankplanet on you, eh? Fuckers on WP wouldn't know if they'd been  :anal: ,  :flamer: or  :birdpoop: when the  :shitfan: . They are just a bunch of  :dickhead: and  :redneck: :booty: .......


Actually Gestalt is not like WP at all. The mods are there because there is already an Intensity, and Gestalt is about ASDs and psychology, anyway, not about flame wars. I think it's pretty lame to attack a board just because they prefer to be if not on topic, then at least friendly.

That's one of the reasons why Intensity exists. This is the place where you can bring your disagreements and your flaming. Just don't expect people to be nice about it. :P

(And none of this means I support WP, btw. WP is something else entirely, since they censor anyone and anything simply because they feel like it.)

I was merely making a comparison about what Sir Les went through and Wankplanet. Maybe Gestalt is what Wanplanet is pretending to be, but Wankplanet hasn't the balls. Obviously if a site is meant to be a true support site, then the membership is going to treated a lot better.

It's easy enough for Richard to stick up for WP though; considering he donated to them cos he felt guilty about seeming to be a bit of a 'tard, Hell, they were meant to be a support site but treated their members like shit, so of course the banned members were going to get their own back. Obviously those fuckers like the WP mods assumed the people they pissed off weren't very intelligent. Big fucking mistake.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on July 19, 2008, 03:39:10 AM
Well I am happy to agree that Richard is a tard.

"Evening Ricktard!"

Rick your proctologist called and said those uncomfortable tests have verified what everyone thought - you have verbal diarrhea. Don't stress though mate, he said all you need is a large dose of "Shut the fuck up" and you should start getting better.

Oh he wanted to let me know that the flowers at reception are yours if you would like to go out on a date. He will try to be a bit gentler with you next time.....if you want.  :eyebrows:

I missed you mate. I thought with you bad-mouthing this place everywhere and saying you would never return that perhaps you weren't talking crap. Glad to see you were. 
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on July 19, 2008, 07:12:03 AM
What have Wrongplanet and a bridge pylon got in common?

They both claim to be support sites that need money to keep them afloat.....
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on July 19, 2008, 09:27:25 AM
What have Wrongplanet and a bridge pylon got in common?

They both claim to be support sites that need money to keep them afloat.....

Yeah Ok I will pay that
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Callaway on July 19, 2008, 09:42:46 AM
What have Wrongplanet and a bridge pylon got in common?

They both claim to be support sites that need money to keep them afloat.....

 :lol:

Good one, The Chosen One.

 :plus:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Pyraxis on July 19, 2008, 05:26:41 PM
And people keep crossing them.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on July 19, 2008, 06:48:07 PM
And people keep crossing them.

 :lol:

And those that are there keep getting scared of us trolls that live under it.....  >:D
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Callaway on July 19, 2008, 07:53:54 PM
And people keep crossing them.

 :lol:

And those that are there keep getting scared of us trolls that live under it.....  >:D

 :laugh:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: GalileoAce on July 19, 2008, 11:43:05 PM
WP fills a niche, I wouldn't call AFF, I2, Gestalt or ZOMG "support sites". Each one offers something different. It's just a shame that WP is run by a bunch of narcissistic Nazis.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Natalia Evans on July 20, 2008, 12:11:07 AM
I agree about AFF, it doesn't seem like a support site either. It seems like it has turned into another Zomg site which I don't care about. I have been seeing jokes and nonsense on there. I still go to those sites but not very often. I do it when I'm bored or I hear about something interesting happening on it. heck I read over 25 pages of drama between Lucie1 and other members in that one thread on AFF. I am thinking about making a thread asking what made everyone think Lucie1 is a game player and not an innocent person? I might get attacked for it but I am willing to take the chance because it will show me how much jerks they are. If they are nice in their responses to my curious question, then maybe they're aren't jerks.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on July 20, 2008, 12:16:31 AM
I agree about AFF, it doesn't seem like a support site either. It seems like it has turned into another Zomg site which I don't care about. I have been seeing jokes and nonsense on there. I still go to those sites but not very often. I do it when I'm bored or I hear about something interesting happening on it. heck I read over 25 pages of drama between Lucie1 and other members in that one thread on AFF. I am thinking about making a thread asking what made everyone think Lucie1 is a game player and not an innocent person? I might get attacked for it but I am willing to take the chance because it will show me how much jerks they are. If they are nice in their responses to my curious question, then maybe they're aren't jerks.

I post on AFF! .....then again I am a jerk...  :asthing:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on July 20, 2008, 12:32:14 AM
I agree about AFF, it doesn't seem like a support site either. It seems like it has turned into another Zomg site which I don't care about. I have been seeing jokes and nonsense on there. I still go to those sites but not very often. I do it when I'm bored or I hear about something interesting happening on it. heck I read over 25 pages of drama between Lucie1 and other members in that one thread on AFF. I am thinking about making a thread asking what made everyone think Lucie1 is a game player and not an innocent person? I might get attacked for it but I am willing to take the chance because it will show me how much jerks they are. If they are nice in their responses to my curious question, then maybe they're aren't jerks.

For one, Spokane, you are a bit of a hypocrite because you decided that you were going to stay on zOMG after being picked on at WP. Then you decided to go back and have a go at zOMG on WP because you thought we were all a bunch of whiny losers. Make up your mind; either stay on one place or the other. Just don't expect sympathy for bagging the shit out of us because you weren't happy with what one or two people had said about you.

Oh, and for what it's worth, Lucy1 would have had to have been the biggest dickhead on AFF, besides GuessWho or Shrek or whatever the fuck he calls himself. And I have that from Pandora herself.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on July 20, 2008, 01:17:27 AM
Yup She was a dickhyeadess.  :laugh:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Natalia Evans on July 20, 2008, 08:06:59 PM
I agree about AFF, it doesn't seem like a support site either. It seems like it has turned into another Zomg site which I don't care about. I have been seeing jokes and nonsense on there. I still go to those sites but not very often. I do it when I'm bored or I hear about something interesting happening on it. heck I read over 25 pages of drama between Lucie1 and other members in that one thread on AFF. I am thinking about making a thread asking what made everyone think Lucie1 is a game player and not an innocent person? I might get attacked for it but I am willing to take the chance because it will show me how much jerks they are. If they are nice in their responses to my curious question, then maybe they're aren't jerks.

For one, Spokane, you are a bit of a hypocrite because you decided that you were going to stay on zOMG after being picked on at WP. Then you decided to go back and have a go at zOMG on WP because you thought we were all a bunch of whiny losers. Make up your mind; either stay on one place or the other. Just don't expect sympathy for bagging the shit out of us because you weren't happy with what one or two people had said about you.

Oh, and for what it's worth, Lucy1 would have had to have been the biggest dickhead on AFF, besides GuessWho or Shrek or whatever the fuck he calls himself. And I have that from Pandora herself.


I think you have me mixed up with Cockney Rebel. I saw that post too by her and decided to go back to WP (changed her mind perhaps or she was BSing). And I never said you guys were a bunch of whiny losers, she said that or someone else did but I don't remember who.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on July 20, 2008, 08:37:43 PM
Maybe it was, I fucked up then. Still, I wish some people would make up their minds. Even though I slagged off WP on zOMG, and here as well, I never went back there to say I thought either of the other site were full of shite, which is what some people have done. I have my reasons for getting stuck into WP, and it's mostly for being treated like shit, but it's also becuase a lot of them have their heads up their arses. Also, I tend to find here and zOMG are places where I fit in better. If Cockney and some others want to be hypocrites, then that's their problem; someohow I thought you had said something along the same line.  8) ;)
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Natalia Evans on July 20, 2008, 08:55:10 PM
Maybe it was, I fucked up then. Still, I wish some people would make up their minds. Even though I slagged off WP on zOMG, and here as well, I never went back there to say I thought either of the other site were full of shite, which is what some people have done. I have my reasons for getting stuck into WP, and it's mostly for being treated like shit, but it's also becuase a lot of them have their heads up their arses. Also, I tend to find here and zOMG are places where I fit in better. If Cockney and some others want to be hypocrites, then that's their problem; someohow I thought you had said something along the same line.  8) ;)


Nope I didn't. You're forgiven.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on July 28, 2008, 12:41:54 PM
Yeah some Admin there Nocturnalist (?) removed it and tried to lecture me and I suppose felt far more empowered for doing so. I thought it was laid on a little thick and that his fear of the situation outweighed his knowledge of what was going on.  Glad no one saw. This way I can talk it up without having to back myself with evidence. It was mostly harmless banter :angel:

So they tried to pull a Wankplanet on you, eh? Fuckers on WP wouldn't know if they'd been  :anal: ,  :flamer: or  :birdpoop: when the  :shitfan: . They are just a bunch of  :dickhead: and  :redneck: :booty: .......

I am the person from that forum Sir_Les has spoken about having laid it on a bit thick with him when he came over in order to bully Zach. Since I have been named (or misnamed) in this thread (and adopted the name for this forum), I thought it only right to stand up and be counted.

So if anybody on here has got a problem with me because of how I dealt with Sir_Les stalking Zach over to another forum, feel free to have your say in the full knowledge that I am willingly reading it.

PS...I do not believe I have ever been a member of WrongPlanet.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on July 29, 2008, 03:21:32 AM
Consider yourself counted Nocturnalist.

Still laying it on rather thick, but then I did invite you to. I thought it better for you if you got it out of your system and had a vent. Glad you did. Hope you feel better.

Just one thing to consider. I am not saying you are not intelligent nor that you are unnecessarily whingey. What I am saying is that you purport to know people's motivations, thoughts, ideals, values and intent. Truth is that unless you are some God-like entity you, like the rest of us are reduced to supposition, presumption and basing your "knowledge" off what you can understand or see. I think the moment you started trying to make things absolute and "facts" is where you started making an ass of yourself.

Maybe you will get over it in time and maybe you won't. I actually wonder though what the deal with pursuing this as a big issue is for you though? Maybe you think to effect some outcome? Though what that maybe I don't know? Maybe you what people to think you are anything but an ass? I think pursuing this is not the best course of action. Maybe you think it will encourage others to want to project themselves onto you? Stupid idea I agree. I read it some place. Maybe you need a hug? C'mon...come here....big hug if you need it.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on July 29, 2008, 06:42:55 AM
I am not saying you are not intelligent nor that you are unnecessarily whingey.

I couldn't give two hoots. Your motivations for going over to Gestalt are as plain as the rather large nose on my face, it ain't rocket science, mate ::)

You play tough, but speaking of whinging... you've done little but whinge behind the scenes where you cannot be seen by the majority of people. OK, I told you what to do if you felt you had a complaint about an Admin... that was what I saw as my duty. You've officially complained about me twice to my fellow Admins at Gestalt... saying how unfair and biased against you I have been (poor dear little Diddums)... even though I was anything but... I was completely correct about your motives for coming over to Gestalt... this thread itself is ample evidence - to bully and Troll Zach, yet you repeatedly whined about ME not showing YOU courtesy and respect ::). Courtesy and Respect??? What on earth makes you presume you have earned that? Talk about self-delusion. :LMAO:

Then you whimper some more when they did not agree with you, oh how my heart bleeds for you :violin:. How completely pathetic! Hah, I laugh at the self-proclaimed/boasted 'Rottweiler of the AFF'. :hahaha:

I think you're just a cheap little bully-boy who wanted to put it about a bit on another forum and then posted a link (in this thread) for others here to go across and see the sport... and I spoiled that before anybody could see - so you whimpered and complained... behind the scenes of course. I hold you in complete contempt and I think you are a completely pathetic individual. Now you're whimpering 'oh but you don't really know me'. Aw Diddums... that's a really tired old cliche. Bullies always complain that they are being treated unfairly all the while feeling free and lovely to treat others badly. Its their classic modus operandi. :hide:

Yes you squeak it up big here, but thats just one big play act. Playing to your audience - lol

Aww I don't really know Diddums. Poor Diddums. I certainly know why Diddums came over to Gestalt, to bait a member there. Diddums doesn't feel that not knowing me stands in his way, but somehow it should stand in mine... poor Diddums. :violin:
Aww Diddums didn't think I was courteous to Diddums. Poor widdle Diddums. :violin:
Aww Diddums thought I laid it on a bit thick when Diddums came over to a forum to bait one of its members and I stopped him. Oh poor darlin little ole Diddums. Oh my heart bleeds. :violin:
Aww Diddums didn't get anywhere much when he complained to the other Admins about how unfair I was to him. Poor poor Diddums. What a big unfair www it is. :violin:

Don't worry Sir_Les, I'm sure you're perfectly safe here :tumbleweed:. I'm here alone. I'm sure there are plenty of folk in this place who mistake you for a stand up guy... you're great at pretending to be something you are not. I'm sure you have several mates here who will stand with you, just like they played mob Zach with you - tricky mobbing somebody who isn't here to defend himself... how brave an attempt though :jedi:. Its really easy to be a mob when somebody is here. So go on Diddums give it your best shot. :situp: Afterall, you called me the 'Resident blowhard' of Gestalt. :woohoo:

I am laughing at the cowardly Rottweiler of AFF. And I don't care in the least if this post is seen as uncool or laying it on thick or whatever. Fine, I may be a pathetic square and uncool person who lays it on thick, setting myself up as sport for the mob perhaps - so what! Maybe I'm a fool. I truly hate myself for many things... So go on, Sir_Loin, want a steak in a game of making sport of me? :stinker: Don't worry about being man enough for it, I'm easilly baited. Hey haven't I just completely set myself up for it? :paperbag:

So are you going to...

A)... Give it your best shot.
B)... Cop out.
C)... Pretend I'm not here.
D)... Run away.
E)... Continue to be duplitious.

 :eyebrows:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: GalileoAce on July 29, 2008, 06:43:23 AM
Bloody hell! It's an essay! ;)
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on July 29, 2008, 06:52:44 AM
Bloody hell! It's an essay! ;)

lol... I've always had troubles with being concise :green:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: GalileoAce on July 29, 2008, 06:54:48 AM
You were concise just then :P
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on July 29, 2008, 07:07:45 AM
You were concise just then :P

Darn! :lol:

Heck I'm doing it again. You must be having a bad influence on me :green:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on July 29, 2008, 07:59:46 AM
I do so need a hug.

I couldn't give two hoots. Your motivations for going over to Gestalt are as plain as the rather large nose on my face, it ain't rocket science, mate ::)

Yeah I DID want to put a call out on TheZach and did want to find out where else he was. He had put shit about ME on some forums I wanted to see if he was doing the same and if he was starting crap generally (Which I guess you are well aware of and have factored in your knowledge of my motivations) I also wanted to have a stickybeak at Sophist's forum. I had written to her recently regarding whether she would help me with a problem a young man had been having with an organisation called Autism Speaks. She had been very nice. (Any idea who that young man I was trying to help out, Nocturnalist? That's right. The Zach. (Coyurse you knew this too because it it plain as the nose on your face...right?)  THeZach hadn't been  terribly badly behaved and had only made one stupid comment, it was the exact copy of the post he posted on Google that he did on AFF, after it had been showed to him there that his facts were wrong and the encouraging help and action from others was as misplaced as it was with the Autism Speaks fiasco. (Yeah you knew the background here too right?) I was (in my view) harsh but fair considering. I also made it clear on here that, that this was as much of what I was going to do. So how is that rocket science going?

You play tough, but speaking of whinging... you've done little but whinge behind the scenes where you cannot be seen by the majority of people. OK, I told you what to do if you felt you had a complaint about an Admin... that was what I saw as my duty. You've officially complained about me twice to my fellow Admins at Gestalt... saying how unfair and biased against you I have been (poor dear little Diddums)... even though I was anything but... I was completely correct about your motives for coming over to Gestalt... this thread itself is ample evidence - to bully and Troll Zach, yet you repeatedly whined about ME not showing YOU courtesy and respect ::). Courtesy and Respect??? What on earth makes you presume you have earned that? Talk about self-delusion. :LMAO:

I play tough? Right whatever.
I whinge behind the scenes? Now let me get this straight you say after PM'ing you about what you said to see Sophist and I am whinging behind the scenes. Now who is self-delusional. You suggested it and have a problem doing what YOU suggested.
As for complaining about you, I think you are an ass and I think you were behaving like one. (Now take into account this is only my personal opinion) I am sure you are a fine man and I am misreading you). Now when I was officially lectured about my stupid fucking Google post after having been talked to by two Admins separately I was pissed off. I looked at what avenue I could respond with, within the accepted boundaries of the forum. I would not have bothered if not for that third reprimand, but hey I was in a shitty mood and felt like it.
I wanted to see how willing as the forum was with judging me and calling me to rights with my behaviour, et al, whether they were prepared to do the same with you. I did not think so but I mean they showed that was how things were dealt with there so why not?
So how does that fit in your thought processes? I was not whinging at all. I was using it as an exercise to see how the place works.
You asked me to see Sophist
The board of Admins showed me this is how complaints are dealt with.
I am wrong to see how that all works? Let's see what other bullshit you are dribbling shall we?


Then you whimper some more when they did not agree with you, oh how my heart bleeds for you :violin:. How completely pathetic! Hah, I laugh at the self-proclaimed/boasted 'Rottweiler of the AFF'. :hahaha:

I EXPECTED they would not agree. Whimper? Nah, I that I expected they would, and thought it was hypocritical. I thought they were wrong and let them know. But sure mate frame it how you like. I did though tell them that it may be they excused you because your conduct may not have been meant to have been for bad reasons (or words to that effect).
So the proclaimed "bulldog of Gestalt" you have quite a maniacal spin thing going in this post. Do you like Monty Python. Reading this portion of your post and I am reminded of the French Knight on the castle of "The Holy Grail".

I think you're just a cheap little bully-boy who wanted to put it about a bit on another forum and then posted a link (in this thread) for others here to go across and see the sport... and I spoiled that before anybody could see - so you whimpered and complained... behind the scenes of course. I hold you in complete contempt and I think you are a completely pathetic individual. Now you're whimpering 'oh but you don't really know me'. Aw Diddums... that's a really tired old cliche. Bullies always complain that they are being treated unfairly all the while feeling free and lovely to treat others badly. Its their classic modus operandi. :hide:

I don't much give a damn what you think Nocturnalist. I think "You don't know shit from shampoo" and irrespective of your boasted IQ, I think "If brains were dynamite, you wouldn't have enough to blow your nose." Course I may be wrong but there is little I have seen that gives me the opinion you have the slightest idea of who or what I am. I think you are a Self-opinionated, Boring, Righteous, Egoist and one who is so up themselves that they think I wish to be them or was it you be like me. Go on tell me again that I am projecting my personality on you. It was pretty funny last time. As to being a bully? Course if there were no reason for me to be angry at TheZach and you had much in your knowledge of me (that you imagine you have....) you may actually have something to base this on. You don't though do you Nocturnalist. Nope you are full of it aren't you mate? C'mon accept it you will feel better.

Yes you squeak it up big here, but thats just one big play act. Playing to your audience - lol

Aww I don't really know Diddums. Poor Diddums. I certainly know why Diddums came over to Gestalt, to bait a member there. Diddums doesn't feel that not knowing me stands in his way, but somehow it should stand in mine... poor Diddums. :violin:
Aww Diddums didn't think I was courteous to Diddums. Poor widdle Diddums. :violin:
Aww Diddums thought I laid it on a bit thick when Diddums came over to a forum to bait one of its members and I stopped him. Oh poor darlin little ole Diddums. Oh my heart bleeds. :violin:
Aww Diddums didn't get anywhere much when he complained to the other Admins about how unfair I was to him. Poor poor Diddums. What a big unfair www it is. :violin:

Don't worry Nocturnalist I am sure in time you will get over yourself and you will feel lots better.

Don't worry Sir_Les, I'm sure you're perfectly safe here :tumbleweed:. I'm here alone. I'm sure there are plenty of folk in this place who mistake you for a stand up guy... you're great at pretending to be something you are not. I'm sure you have several mates here who will stand with you, just like they played mob Zach with you - tricky mobbing somebody who isn't here to defend himself... how brave an attempt though :jedi:. Its really easy to be a mob when somebody is here. So go on Diddums give it your best shot. :situp: Afterall, you called me the 'Resident blowhard' of Gestalt. :woohoo:

Yeah you've done your research haven't you Nocturnalist. Mobbing someone who is not here? Have you check the memberlist for TheZach? You bloody haven't have you? But hey...look out here is Nocturnalist ready to defend another ass. Why? I have no fucking idea. Maybe because he believe the crap he spouts or thinks he is a stand up guy (whatever the fuck that means to you)  or perhaps Nocturnalist, you have misread pretty much every fucking road sign you passed and you are are defending a stupid position for someone who doesn't deserve it to someone you don't fucking know for a cause which you ought to have got over. Because that is what it looks like to me. Fuck I have tried PM'ing him and told him at AFF and here to get his Arse here. Pm'ing him at ASDGesatalt was the last ditch effort to get him here. The Chosen one even instructed him to come here on the AFF forum so don't try to tell us that he (as another) member did not know about this nor was not able to defend himself. (Still as obvious as the nose on your face Nocturnalist?) The only reason for people starting to "mob" him is to try to elicit some response from him to come on down.
So is that the end to this bullshit essay or do you get weirder?

I am laughing at the cowardly Rottweiler of AFF. And I don't care in the least if this post is seen as uncool or laying it on thick or whatever. Fine, I may be a pathetic square and uncool person who lays it on thick, setting myself up as sport for the mob perhaps - so what! Maybe I'm a fool. I truly hate myself for many things... So go on, Sir_Loin, want a steak in a game of making sport of me? :stinker: Don't worry about being man enough for it, I'm easilly baited. Hey haven't I just completely set myself up for it? :paperbag:

Yup more of the same carrying on. You don't sound uncool, or square. Pathetic? Yeah I go with that.
Truthfully speaking? You seem to be rambling. Not good for a guy with an IQ like you though. I was hoping for wit and substance and some of those endearing qualities that the people at ASD Gestalt see you as having. Hell one guy described you as a lion. Look at you now.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on July 29, 2008, 09:03:55 AM
Hah, looks like I'm not the only one with problems about being concise. The whinging bully-boy speaks openly for once. :birdpoop:

Aw did it rain on Diddums' parade... poor Diddums. :violin: Was Zach awfully unfair to you... poor Diddums, no wonder you started a whole thread here to 'call him out' :LMAO:

Hey, guess what, I'm not sensitive about what you think of my IQ... I couldn't give two figs. I don't happen to think IQ tests are a very good way to measure intelligence anyway :eyebrows: When I took the 11+ IQ test at school, I was scored with an IQ a little lower than the average radish. The school had me take it twice more because the IQ score was so low... I think it was somewhere in the IQ teens. Yes, I've taken later tests, and I'm also amazed I scored so highly. I always feel particularly stupid in relation to how bright I'm supposed to be. :green:

I wasn't meaning that Zach wasn't lurking. I haven't checked the member list, but its obvious you thought that was what he was doing here, from posts in this thread. However, he didn't post to this forum (I do not think he has made one single post here) though he didn't need to join to lurk... this thread is viewable by non-members... he didn't make his presence felt by posting. Little wonder I'm so upsetting to you if Zach upsets you also. Poor sensitive Diddums :bird:

Quote from: Sir_Loin
You suggested it [the complaint] and have a problem [with me] doing what YOU suggested.

Sorry, needed to brush up the English... I didn't wish to quote too much of you just enough for the gist. Hope you don't mind the additions in square brackets.

I have absolutely no problem with you complaining about me, Sir_Les. I just have a problem with you brushing the whole matter off here as if nothing, and yet blowing up a hoo har of whinging behind the scenes at Gestalt. I have a problem with duplicitous cowards and bullies and hiding things away from public view. I didn't suggest you should complain about me, I simply told you the right procedure IF you felt you had a legitimate complaint about an Admin. I knew full well that I had not given you a legitimate reason to complain. But you complained anyway... twice. Once to the site owner and the second time to the Admins collectively. I also offered that IF I was found to have been untoward or biased against you, then I would step down as an Admin. The site owner didn't find me 'untoward' or 'biased against you' in my second Administrative PM, but thought I had misread your second post... so you took that as sufficient to suggest I step down as an Admin or live with my guilt, until she clarified for you. Then in your second complaint about the same PM, when it didn't go your way, you whinged about how unfair the Admins were because they didn't find me guilty. News Flash for you... I wasn't guilty of what you complained about. Get over it.

You are utterly pathetic. I'm probably utterly pathetic also - it won't have been the first time. :eyebrows:

So, Zach made a mistake in his research. Well who made you a policeman - how many blogs have you read? Does Diddum expect blogs to be the Encyclopedia Britannica of the internet? :LMAO: So Zach didn't want your help because he thought you were going to be abusive and thought that unhelpful. Oh poor wronged little Diddums... you've certainly proved him correct about you, haven't you. I'm not posting in this thread to support Zach. You mentioned ME in this thread before I even became a member here... I even adopted the mis-name you gave me, 'Nocturnalist'. So I decided to stand up and say, 'Yes, here I am' in this thread. Does Diddums feel so very threatened by this? I realised you might wade on in, but I would have been just as happy if you hadn't.

Ah, the almighty call out. Well everybody everywhere ought to be duty bound to respond to a call out on Intensity Squared... oh naughty Zach for not doing so. I think he was a wiser person than I for not wading in here. But then, I'm a rather direct bull in a china shop. That's why I sometimes call myself a 'Bulldog'... though I didn't use that term to you. Not because I am tough like the 'Rottweiler of AFF' (although he is far from tough himself) but because I'm too dumb to know when to let things go. Bulldogs are known for clamping their jaws and being unable to let things drop. Hey, I hold up my hands and admit it. Once engaged I'm a stupid dumb ole bulldog, not able to let things drop. You saw it as boasting, as far as I am concerned it is admitting a flaw in my personality. :lolhit:

So, Zach didn't respond to the 'Call Out' here that he saw as a lurker, oh you poor sweet soul. What malfunctioning brain cell in your skull made you believe Zach would respond to notification if at Gestalt? Not particularly likely, is it Sir_Lurchalot. Nah, you didn't come across to Gestalt thinking he would respond to the call, you came over to make sport of him and you had no right whatsoever to do that. :happydance:

You honestly think that when Zach said 'no' to your request to help him, that this gross impertinence gave you the right to make sport of him? Oh and when this disrespectful and ignorant person that I am was a bit firm about stopping you... oh how that must have stung your indignation, the agonising lack of respect for your dear sweet person. How very dare me do my duty in the face of your worshipfullness. What an awful person I must be. :worship:

You complete and utter twit. Surely you had enough sense to realise somebody in the Admin team would stop you picking on Zach. I guess I was just too quick off the mark because I've seen your type often before... though seldom one as pathetic as you are. Even trollers usually have bigger rocks in their panties. :hahaha:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on July 29, 2008, 09:19:33 AM
Yeah you've done your research haven't you Nocturnalist. Mobbing someone who is not here? Have you check the memberlist for TheZach? You bloody haven't have you?

 :LMAO: Guess what... I'm really glad I just checked the member list for Zach :LMAO:  :LMAO:  :LMAO: Thank you so much for suggesting that.

He last signed in here on 23rd of May... you started this thread on the 21st of June :LMAO:

Admittedly he may have lurked over the thread without signing in... but that is anybody's guess :LMAO:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on July 29, 2008, 09:41:51 AM
Are you seriously trying to make any sense. I reckon you ought to meet Randy. He and you could have spicy conversions peppered with emoticons. His are mainly the wanking ones.
So is there anything in what you said even worth discussing that hasn't been covered? No?
The Zach thing fuck it, it would have been fun I think but he didn't front and I looked at a few options to let him know (in case he did not see where I had prompted him). He did not show and I don't give a stuff.

You keep going on about the behind the scene bit. YOU asked me to and I did. Fuck it, every place has their way of doing things. I was taking the lead from you and the admins, you idiot. If you had a problem with it DON'T suggest it.

You can call stating your opinion whining as much as you want it doesn't make it so.

Now most of what you wrote is gibberish peppered with emoticons, "diddums", pathetic put downs and asking whether I felt bad. So in answer to all of that. "No, not really, but I do think you are dribbling a load of bullshit and I would love you to keep making an ass of yourself."

Is that it? Has it come down to..."I don't like you and think you are X,Y,Z, and I wanna call you names"
OK. Well done Nocturnalist. Hope you achieved whatever end result you were chasing. I think you may have proved you are an oxygen thief.

Or was there more.....drum roll..............




Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on July 29, 2008, 09:46:41 AM
Yeah you've done your research haven't you Nocturnalist. Mobbing someone who is not here? Have you check the memberlist for TheZach? You bloody haven't have you?

 :LMAO: Guess what... I'm really glad I just checked the member list for Zach :LMAO:  :LMAO:  :LMAO: Thank you so much for suggesting that.

He last signed in here on 23rd of May... you started this thread on the 21st of June :LMAO:

Admittedly he may have lurked over the thread without signing in... but that is anybody's guess :LMAO:

Up there for thinking  Nocturnalist...where do his PM's go if he is a member already.
Where do his PM's go if he is not a member. Oh that's right he can't be PM'ed if he is not a member. Good thing he was a member on 23 May or it might have been odd starting a callout before that date. So what exactly are you suggesting is funny besides yourself?
What was the IQ again.
I want to laugh at that again.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on July 29, 2008, 12:05:46 PM
Up there for thinking  Nocturnalist...where do his PM's go if he is a member already.
Where do his PM's go if he is not a member. Oh that's right he can't be PM'ed if he is not a member. Good thing he was a member on 23 May or it might have been odd starting a callout before that date. So what exactly are you suggesting is funny besides yourself?

Oh you can be such a complete dim wit :LMAO:

I thought I spelled it out plainly enough, yet you seen to need all the dots joined together for you also - I had no idea you needed that level of hand holding ::) People will start to talk :emb:

Zach registered with I2 on May 22, 2008, at 08:43:17 PM (BST) - OK, are you following me?
The last time Zach was active here (that usually means logged in) was May 23, 2008, at 01:10:40 AM (BST)

You called him out on June the 21st. He last logged in here on May 23rd... and you were thinking he was keeping such close attention. OK, you don't need to sign in to see your little thread here, but you are presuming he is lurking when he appears to have had little interest in this place beyond registering. Look at his profile. He may have seen this thread, but since he hasn't logged on since the day after he first registered... you simply don't know... though through the thread you imagine he is as transfixed with you as you are with him. You are a complete and utter joke. :LMAO:

Take a look at his profile, smarty pants ::)

No matter whether you use British Summer Time or whatever (and I'd be surprised if you use BST)... there are many days between the last time Zach logged onto this forum and you starting this little thread of your's. There doesn't seem to be any reason why he would not log in upon his return... though he admittedly may not have done so. :hahaha:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on July 29, 2008, 12:26:32 PM
He [Zach] did not show and I don't give a stuff.

Excellent, now we're making progress. Perhaps you can get on with your life now without following him around like a little lost lamb :clap:

See what a wonderful tonic I am for you :eyebrows:

As for the emoticons... I love the collection they have over here.  :asthing:

As for the behind the scenes stuff, you know full well I'm not just talking about you complaining about me... you really shouldn't be so modest. You called me Nockers (how affectionate  :heart: - I knew you'd appreciate me giving you effectionate little cheeky names too) and posted a nice ripe little reply when you lead the Host to believe you considered it olive branch time. :-* No skin off my nose, Matey... made me feel very comfortable about you :evillaugh:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on July 29, 2008, 03:07:40 PM
Up there for thinking  Nocturnalist...where do his PM's go if he is a member already.
Where do his PM's go if he is not a member. Oh that's right he can't be PM'ed if he is not a member. Good thing he was a member on 23 May or it might have been odd starting a callout before that date. So what exactly are you suggesting is funny besides yourself?

Oh you can be such a complete dim wit :LMAO:

I thought I spelled it out plainly enough, yet you seen to need all the dots joined together for you also - I had no idea you needed that level of hand holding ::) People will start to talk :emb:

Zach registered with I2 on May 22, 2008, at 08:43:17 PM (BST) - OK, are you following me?
The last time Zach was active here (that usually means logged in) was May 23, 2008, at 01:10:40 AM (BST)

You called him out on June the 21st. He last logged in here on May 23rd... and you were thinking he was keeping such close attention. OK, you don't need to sign in to see your little thread here, but you are presuming he is lurking when he appears to have had little interest in this place beyond registering. Look at his profile. He may have seen this thread, but since he hasn't logged on since the day after he first registered... you simply don't know... though through the thread you imagine he is as transfixed with you as you are with him. You are a complete and utter joke. :LMAO:

Take a look at his profile, smarty pants ::)

No matter whether you use British Summer Time or whatever (and I'd be surprised if you use BST)... there are many days between the last time Zach logged onto this forum and you starting this little thread of your's. There doesn't seem to be any reason why he would not log in upon his return... though he admittedly may not have done so. :hahaha:

OK so when I send him a PM it goes to his email address and when he receives the email he will be able to view the callout that is here in his name as per the PM I send him.  :hahaha:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on July 29, 2008, 03:12:54 PM
He [Zach] did not show and I don't give a stuff.

Excellent, now we're making progress. Perhaps you can get on with your life now without following him around like a little lost lamb :clap:

See what a wonderful tonic I am for you :eyebrows:

As for the emoticons... I love the collection they have over here.  :asthing:

As for the behind the scenes stuff, you know full well I'm not just talking about you complaining about me... you really shouldn't be so modest. You called me Nockers (how affectionate  :heart: - I knew you'd appreciate me giving you effectionate little cheeky names too) and posted a nice ripe little reply when you lead the Host to believe you considered it olive branch time. :-* No skin off my nose, Matey... made me feel very comfortable about you :evillaugh:

Wow! What a spazztastic retort from the Lion of Gestalt! Here is a ball as a reward, now go play in traffic for a while.
 :kitten:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on July 29, 2008, 03:32:56 PM
:popcorn:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on July 29, 2008, 06:00:51 PM
Not really  :popcorn:, I find the debate more  :eyebrow:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on July 29, 2008, 07:42:42 PM
What a spazztastic retort from the Lion of Gestalt!

Woohoo. I've been promoted from the resident blowhard of Gestalt :razz:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on July 29, 2008, 07:46:46 PM
I find the debate more  :eyebrow:

Debate? Nah this isn't worthy to be called a 'debate'. 'Debates' are serious things... we're simply playing footsie :lol:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on July 29, 2008, 07:54:04 PM
OK so when I send him a PM it goes to his email address and when he receives the email he will be able to view the callout that is here in his name as per the PM I send him.

Well, look at his profile... how would you interpret Last active: May 23, 2008, at 01:10:40 AM (BST)? Presumably he would have to log on to pick up a PM. Mind you, you seem a little mixed up with PMs and emails... if he has notification turned on, he would be notified by email that a PM has dropped into his PM box, but he'd have to log on to pick it up :yawn:

Just look up his profile and you figure it out. :-*
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Callaway on July 29, 2008, 07:57:19 PM
OK so when I send him a PM it goes to his email address and when he receives the email he will be able to view the callout that is here in his name as per the PM I send him.

Well, look at his profile... how would you interpret Last active: May 23, 2008, at 01:10:40 AM (BST)? Presumably he would have to log on to pick up a PM. Mind you, you seem a little mixed up with PMs and emails... if he has notification turned on, he would be notified by email that a PM has dropped into his PM box, but he'd have to log on to pick it up :yawn:

Just look up his profile and you figure it out. :-*

Actually, if you have email notification of your PMs turned on here, you get a copy of the PM in your email inbox.

I don't know if he has email notification turned on or off, though.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on July 29, 2008, 08:04:17 PM
Actually, if you have email notification of your PMs turned on here, you get a copy of the PM in your email inbox.

Lets just hope he has his notifications turned on then. Be such a shame if all Sir_Les' efforts went to waste, just because he hasn't logged in :green:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The Member Formerly Known As Sophist on July 29, 2008, 09:10:12 PM
I'm not gonna go into the whole Gestalt thing here, just because that would take more time and effort than I feel like giving it at the moment.

But as far as the earlier Zach/Sir Less boxing match on AFF, frankly from an observer's POV it seemed like you were both being pretty short-sided in continuing to argue with each other. No matter how many times the other said, "Let's stop this arguing", he had to get in a last dig-- which of course baited the other one into responding... so it just went on... and on... and on.... So I felt like thwacking BOTH of you up side the head with frying pans.  :green:

Sir Les, you are obviously more personable and easier to get along with initially.

From what I know of him now, Zach seems to be a nice guy, just definitely more reserved and more defensive. Why do I think this? Because it's nice to give people second chances. My first encounter with Zach, he told me to basically fuck off and go take my meds. But I got over it, and have discovered, while reserved like I said, he's not a bad guy.

And in the meantime, why are we arguing again? I've completely forgotten, it's all so silly. Wouldn't it be easier to pull up some stools, sing some pub songs, have some cyber-drinks and just get smashed??? :beergrin:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on July 30, 2008, 01:10:07 AM
I would just like to let Les and nocturnalist know how much I have enjoyed reading this thread.

Thanks for stepping into the ring Nocturnalist, wonderful entertainment.  :clap: :clap:

Please....  do continue.


ummm Sir les  :hahaha: :lol:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on July 30, 2008, 03:47:34 AM
I would just like to let Les and nocturnalist know how much I have enjoyed reading this thread.

Thanks for stepping into the ring Nocturnalist, wonderful entertainment.  :clap: :clap:

Please....  do continue.


ummm Sir les  :hahaha: :lol:

You have any family members called Bob, Nocturnalist?  :lol:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on July 30, 2008, 04:32:55 AM
But as far as the earlier Zach/Sir Less boxing match on AFF, frankly from an observer's POV it seemed like you were both being pretty short-sided in continuing to argue with each other. No matter how many times the other said, "Let's stop this arguing", he had to get in a last dig-- which of course baited the other one into responding... so it just went on... and on... and on.... So I felt like thwacking BOTH of you up side the head with frying pans.  :green:

Well I hope you've accepted my resignation by now rather than getting a new frying pan out. :green: Less expensive.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on July 30, 2008, 04:37:29 AM
You have any family members called Bob, Nocturnalist?  :lol:

Actually yes in a sense, but he's only 4 years old and we don't tend to shorten his name to 'Bob'. I don't think that is him. :lol:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on July 30, 2008, 04:45:54 AM
Actually, if you have email notification of your PMs turned on here, you get a copy of the PM in your email inbox.

Lets just hope he has his notifications turned on then. Be such a shame if all Sir_Les' efforts went to waste, just because he hasn't logged in :green:

Again Mr Lion? Is this your default setting. "Oh then Sir_Les must be really upset....Hohoho"
The novelty has worn off. You looked like you were ready to make an impression and prove the righteousness of your actions and the nastiness of mine
So much for being a bulldog. So much for being the Lion.  :yawn:


Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on July 30, 2008, 04:48:45 AM
I'm not gonna go into the whole Gestalt thing here, just because that would take more time and effort than I feel like giving it at the moment.

But as far as the earlier Zach/Sir Less boxing match on AFF, frankly from an observer's POV it seemed like you were both being pretty short-sided in continuing to argue with each other. No matter how many times the other said, "Let's stop this arguing", he had to get in a last dig-- which of course baited the other one into responding... so it just went on... and on... and on.... So I felt like thwacking BOTH of you up side the head with frying pans.  :green:

Sir Les, you are obviously more personable and easier to get along with initially.

From what I know of him now, Zach seems to be a nice guy, just definitely more reserved and more defensive. Why do I think this? Because it's nice to give people second chances. My first encounter with Zach, he told me to basically fuck off and go take my meds. But I got over it, and have discovered, while reserved like I said, he's not a bad guy.

And in the meantime, why are we arguing again? I've completely forgotten, it's all so silly. Wouldn't it be easier to pull up some stools, sing some pub songs, have some cyber-drinks and just get smashed??? :beergrin:

Probably a lot of truth in what you say. I take my hat off to Nocturnalist. I am a good baiter but he is a master baiter  :lol:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on July 30, 2008, 04:57:46 AM
So much for being a bulldog. So much for being the Lion.  :yawn:

Enjoy your bone, Rotty... mind you don't choke on it :clap:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on July 30, 2008, 04:59:26 AM
Probably a lot of truth in what you say. I take my hat off to Nocturnalist. I am a good baiter but he is a master baiter  :lol:

 :congrats: That is an excellent pun. :lol:

See, there is no preferential treatment within the Admins at Gestalt :green:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on July 30, 2008, 05:57:38 AM
Probably a lot of truth in what you say. I take my hat off to Nocturnalist. I am a good baiter but he is a master baiter  :lol:

 :congrats: That is an excellent pun. :lol:


Sigh!  Thanks I guess. You do realise this IS actually spoiling my fun, don't you. Complimenting me or agreeing.  :thumbdn:
Even the Admin preferencial comment, Meh...whatever.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on July 30, 2008, 06:38:30 AM
Sigh!  Thanks I guess. You do realise this IS actually spoiling my fun, don't you. Complimenting me or agreeing.  :thumbdn:
Even the Admin preferencial comment, Meh...whatever.

But it was a good pun, can't ignore that. :eyebrows:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The Member Formerly Known As Sophist on July 30, 2008, 07:46:12 AM
But as far as the earlier Zach/Sir Less boxing match on AFF, frankly from an observer's POV it seemed like you were both being pretty short-sided in continuing to argue with each other. No matter how many times the other said, "Let's stop this arguing", he had to get in a last dig-- which of course baited the other one into responding... so it just went on... and on... and on.... So I felt like thwacking BOTH of you up side the head with frying pans.  :green:

Well I hope you've accepted my resignation by now rather than getting a new frying pan out. :green: Less expensive.

Ah no no no no. Think of all the PAPERWORK I'd have to fill out. As opposed to a WHOLE CUPBOARD of frying pans just waiting!  :zoinks:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Phlexor on July 30, 2008, 09:04:11 AM
I am not saying you are not intelligent nor that you are unnecessarily whingey.

I couldn't give two hoots. Your motivations for going over to Gestalt are as plain as the rather large nose on my face, it ain't rocket science, mate ::)

You play tough, but speaking of whinging... you've done little but whinge behind the scenes where you cannot be seen by the majority of people. OK, I told you what to do if you felt you had a complaint about an Admin... that was what I saw as my duty. You've officially complained about me twice to my fellow Admins at Gestalt... saying how unfair and biased against you I have been (poor dear little Diddums)... even though I was anything but... I was completely correct about your motives for coming over to Gestalt... this thread itself is ample evidence - to bully and Troll Zach, yet you repeatedly whined about ME not showing YOU courtesy and respect ::). Courtesy and Respect??? What on earth makes you presume you have earned that? Talk about self-delusion. :LMAO:

Then you whimper some more when they did not agree with you, oh how my heart bleeds for you :violin:. How completely pathetic! Hah, I laugh at the self-proclaimed/boasted 'Rottweiler of the AFF'. :hahaha:

I think you're just a cheap little bully-boy who wanted to put it about a bit on another forum and then posted a link (in this thread) for others here to go across and see the sport... and I spoiled that before anybody could see - so you whimpered and complained... behind the scenes of course. I hold you in complete contempt and I think you are a completely pathetic individual. Now you're whimpering 'oh but you don't really know me'. Aw Diddums... that's a really tired old cliche. Bullies always complain that they are being treated unfairly all the while feeling free and lovely to treat others badly. Its their classic modus operandi. :hide:

Yes you squeak it up big here, but thats just one big play act. Playing to your audience - lol

Aww I don't really know Diddums. Poor Diddums. I certainly know why Diddums came over to Gestalt, to bait a member there. Diddums doesn't feel that not knowing me stands in his way, but somehow it should stand in mine... poor Diddums. :violin:
Aww Diddums didn't think I was courteous to Diddums. Poor widdle Diddums. :violin:
Aww Diddums thought I laid it on a bit thick when Diddums came over to a forum to bait one of its members and I stopped him. Oh poor darlin little ole Diddums. Oh my heart bleeds. :violin:
Aww Diddums didn't get anywhere much when he complained to the other Admins about how unfair I was to him. Poor poor Diddums. What a big unfair www it is. :violin:

Don't worry Sir_Les, I'm sure you're perfectly safe here :tumbleweed:. I'm here alone. I'm sure there are plenty of folk in this place who mistake you for a stand up guy... you're great at pretending to be something you are not. I'm sure you have several mates here who will stand with you, just like they played mob Zach with you - tricky mobbing somebody who isn't here to defend himself... how brave an attempt though :jedi:. Its really easy to be a mob when somebody is here. So go on Diddums give it your best shot. :situp: Afterall, you called me the 'Resident blowhard' of Gestalt. :woohoo:

I am laughing at the cowardly Rottweiler of AFF. And I don't care in the least if this post is seen as uncool or laying it on thick or whatever. Fine, I may be a pathetic square and uncool person who lays it on thick, setting myself up as sport for the mob perhaps - so what! Maybe I'm a fool. I truly hate myself for many things... So go on, Sir_Loin, want a steak in a game of making sport of me? :stinker: Don't worry about being man enough for it, I'm easilly baited. Hey haven't I just completely set myself up for it? :paperbag:

So are you going to...

A)... Give it your best shot.
B)... Cop out.
C)... Pretend I'm not here.
D)... Run away.
E)... Continue to be duplitious.

 :eyebrows:

DUHHH!!!

Do you think you're the first person to work that shit out?

Oh and who cares anyway. By saying he hasn't done anything to deserve your respect just means he succeeded in dragging you down to his level. Well done!  :green:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The Member Formerly Known As Sophist on July 30, 2008, 09:26:32 AM
I am not saying you are not intelligent nor that you are unnecessarily whingey.

I couldn't give two hoots. Your motivations for going over to Gestalt are as plain as the rather large nose on my face, it ain't rocket science, mate ::)

You play tough, but speaking of whinging... you've done little but whinge behind the scenes where you cannot be seen by the majority of people. OK, I told you what to do if you felt you had a complaint about an Admin... that was what I saw as my duty. You've officially complained about me twice to my fellow Admins at Gestalt... saying how unfair and biased against you I have been (poor dear little Diddums)... even though I was anything but... I was completely correct about your motives for coming over to Gestalt... this thread itself is ample evidence - to bully and Troll Zach, yet you repeatedly whined about ME not showing YOU courtesy and respect ::). Courtesy and Respect??? What on earth makes you presume you have earned that? Talk about self-delusion. :LMAO:

Then you whimper some more when they did not agree with you, oh how my heart bleeds for you :violin:. How completely pathetic! Hah, I laugh at the self-proclaimed/boasted 'Rottweiler of the AFF'. :hahaha:

I think you're just a cheap little bully-boy who wanted to put it about a bit on another forum and then posted a link (in this thread) for others here to go across and see the sport... and I spoiled that before anybody could see - so you whimpered and complained... behind the scenes of course. I hold you in complete contempt and I think you are a completely pathetic individual. Now you're whimpering 'oh but you don't really know me'. Aw Diddums... that's a really tired old cliche. Bullies always complain that they are being treated unfairly all the while feeling free and lovely to treat others badly. Its their classic modus operandi. :hide:

Yes you squeak it up big here, but thats just one big play act. Playing to your audience - lol

Aww I don't really know Diddums. Poor Diddums. I certainly know why Diddums came over to Gestalt, to bait a member there. Diddums doesn't feel that not knowing me stands in his way, but somehow it should stand in mine... poor Diddums. :violin:
Aww Diddums didn't think I was courteous to Diddums. Poor widdle Diddums. :violin:
Aww Diddums thought I laid it on a bit thick when Diddums came over to a forum to bait one of its members and I stopped him. Oh poor darlin little ole Diddums. Oh my heart bleeds. :violin:
Aww Diddums didn't get anywhere much when he complained to the other Admins about how unfair I was to him. Poor poor Diddums. What a big unfair www it is. :violin:

Don't worry Sir_Les, I'm sure you're perfectly safe here :tumbleweed:. I'm here alone. I'm sure there are plenty of folk in this place who mistake you for a stand up guy... you're great at pretending to be something you are not. I'm sure you have several mates here who will stand with you, just like they played mob Zach with you - tricky mobbing somebody who isn't here to defend himself... how brave an attempt though :jedi:. Its really easy to be a mob when somebody is here. So go on Diddums give it your best shot. :situp: Afterall, you called me the 'Resident blowhard' of Gestalt. :woohoo:

I am laughing at the cowardly Rottweiler of AFF. And I don't care in the least if this post is seen as uncool or laying it on thick or whatever. Fine, I may be a pathetic square and uncool person who lays it on thick, setting myself up as sport for the mob perhaps - so what! Maybe I'm a fool. I truly hate myself for many things... So go on, Sir_Loin, want a steak in a game of making sport of me? :stinker: Don't worry about being man enough for it, I'm easilly baited. Hey haven't I just completely set myself up for it? :paperbag:

So are you going to...

A)... Give it your best shot.
B)... Cop out.
C)... Pretend I'm not here.
D)... Run away.
E)... Continue to be duplitious.

 :eyebrows:

DUHHH!!!

Do you think you're the first person to work that shit out?

Oh and who cares anyway. By saying he hasn't done anything to deserve your respect just means he succeeded in dragging you down to his level. Well done!  :green:

***hands Phlex a beer***

I still say we fuck this and get smashed instead.  :laugh:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Phlexor on July 30, 2008, 09:28:40 AM
I am not saying you are not intelligent nor that you are unnecessarily whingey.

I couldn't give two hoots. Your motivations for going over to Gestalt are as plain as the rather large nose on my face, it ain't rocket science, mate ::)

You play tough, but speaking of whinging... you've done little but whinge behind the scenes where you cannot be seen by the majority of people. OK, I told you what to do if you felt you had a complaint about an Admin... that was what I saw as my duty. You've officially complained about me twice to my fellow Admins at Gestalt... saying how unfair and biased against you I have been (poor dear little Diddums)... even though I was anything but... I was completely correct about your motives for coming over to Gestalt... this thread itself is ample evidence - to bully and Troll Zach, yet you repeatedly whined about ME not showing YOU courtesy and respect ::). Courtesy and Respect??? What on earth makes you presume you have earned that? Talk about self-delusion. :LMAO:

Then you whimper some more when they did not agree with you, oh how my heart bleeds for you :violin:. How completely pathetic! Hah, I laugh at the self-proclaimed/boasted 'Rottweiler of the AFF'. :hahaha:

I think you're just a cheap little bully-boy who wanted to put it about a bit on another forum and then posted a link (in this thread) for others here to go across and see the sport... and I spoiled that before anybody could see - so you whimpered and complained... behind the scenes of course. I hold you in complete contempt and I think you are a completely pathetic individual. Now you're whimpering 'oh but you don't really know me'. Aw Diddums... that's a really tired old cliche. Bullies always complain that they are being treated unfairly all the while feeling free and lovely to treat others badly. Its their classic modus operandi. :hide:

Yes you squeak it up big here, but thats just one big play act. Playing to your audience - lol

Aww I don't really know Diddums. Poor Diddums. I certainly know why Diddums came over to Gestalt, to bait a member there. Diddums doesn't feel that not knowing me stands in his way, but somehow it should stand in mine... poor Diddums. :violin:
Aww Diddums didn't think I was courteous to Diddums. Poor widdle Diddums. :violin:
Aww Diddums thought I laid it on a bit thick when Diddums came over to a forum to bait one of its members and I stopped him. Oh poor darlin little ole Diddums. Oh my heart bleeds. :violin:
Aww Diddums didn't get anywhere much when he complained to the other Admins about how unfair I was to him. Poor poor Diddums. What a big unfair www it is. :violin:

Don't worry Sir_Les, I'm sure you're perfectly safe here :tumbleweed:. I'm here alone. I'm sure there are plenty of folk in this place who mistake you for a stand up guy... you're great at pretending to be something you are not. I'm sure you have several mates here who will stand with you, just like they played mob Zach with you - tricky mobbing somebody who isn't here to defend himself... how brave an attempt though :jedi:. Its really easy to be a mob when somebody is here. So go on Diddums give it your best shot. :situp: Afterall, you called me the 'Resident blowhard' of Gestalt. :woohoo:

I am laughing at the cowardly Rottweiler of AFF. And I don't care in the least if this post is seen as uncool or laying it on thick or whatever. Fine, I may be a pathetic square and uncool person who lays it on thick, setting myself up as sport for the mob perhaps - so what! Maybe I'm a fool. I truly hate myself for many things... So go on, Sir_Loin, want a steak in a game of making sport of me? :stinker: Don't worry about being man enough for it, I'm easilly baited. Hey haven't I just completely set myself up for it? :paperbag:

So are you going to...

A)... Give it your best shot.
B)... Cop out.
C)... Pretend I'm not here.
D)... Run away.
E)... Continue to be duplitious.

 :eyebrows:

DUHHH!!!

Do you think you're the first person to work that shit out?

Oh and who cares anyway. By saying he hasn't done anything to deserve your respect just means he succeeded in dragging you down to his level. Well done!  :green:

***hands Phlex a beer***

I still say we fuck this and get smashed instead.  :laugh:

Hey! Who put you in charge of good ideas? Well done.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on July 30, 2008, 10:50:15 AM
By saying he hasn't done anything to deserve your respect just means he succeeded in dragging you down to his level. Well done!  :green:

You'd be correct except that you are working on the presumption I was on a higher level than Sir_Les in the first place. On what could you possibly base that presumption upon? :roses: I thought Sir_Les was an established member here and thought much more highly of than a relative newbie. Or perhaps you are meaning that Sir_Les is sinking to my level :green: I don't think anybody is below his or her own level in this. Strikes me this part of the forum is set up for this sort of thing.

My standard response to somebody I see as a confirmed bully or a troll is to fight them - the ole red rag to a bull thing. Maybe part of it is to try and give them a taste of what I see as their own medicine dealt out to others... but I always know that they will probably quickly get the better of me, I'm not much of a match for them. Especially when others join in. If they join in on my side, I dislike mobs and feel uncomfortable, and if on their side, I quickly get good and stung. Hah, how stupid am I. Truly thick, especially since sooner or later I start to think of the person rather than the behaviour and get kind of sick of what I, myself, am perhaps doing to them.

Boy am I in the wrong forum :hair:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The Member Formerly Known As Sophist on July 30, 2008, 12:18:19 PM
Hey! Who put you in charge of good ideas? Well done.

I unanimously nominated and elected myself. Not a single person (I, Me, or Myself) was in disagreement; so it was a landslide win. I therefore accepted the post and I shall run out my term serving my constituents to the best of my abilities. :green:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on July 30, 2008, 01:45:18 PM


Probably a lot of truth in what you say. I take my hat off to Nocturnalist. I am a good baiter but he is a master baiter  :lol:

I'm the lowest of the low.

Typical Sir Les ploy, if you can't beat 'em, suck up to them.

Sir Les is very much like the character his name portrays. He is a very creepy piece of shit. On the internet he is tough bastard, a rottewhieler, a jerk, a protector of innocents  ::) but in real life a snivelling, sad man, terrified of his own shadow.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Callaway on July 30, 2008, 02:05:54 PM


Probably a lot of truth in what you say. I take my hat off to Nocturnalist. I am a good baiter but he is a master baiter  :lol:

I'm the lowest of the low.

Typical Sir Les ploy, if you can't bet 'em, suck up to them.

Sir Les is very much like the character his name portrays. He is a very creepy piece of shit. On the internet he is tough bastard, a rottewhieler, a jerk, a protector of innocents  ::) but in real life in snivelling, sad man, terrified of his own shadow.

Sir Les, do you have anyone in your family who has a bone to pick with you whose name is Bob?

Welcome to Intensity, Bob.

:welcome:

Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on July 30, 2008, 04:19:17 PM
Bob, another n00b with no credentials but with a score to settle?

Oh well, we need more fresh meat, so welcome.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on July 30, 2008, 04:27:52 PM


Probably a lot of truth in what you say. I take my hat off to Nocturnalist. I am a good baiter but he is a master baiter  :lol:

I'm the lowest of the low.

Typical Sir Les ploy, if you can't beat 'em, suck up to them.

Sir Les is very much like the character his name portrays. He is a very creepy piece of shit. On the internet he is tough bastard, a rottewhieler, a jerk, a protector of innocents  ::) but in real life a snivelling, sad man, terrified of his own shadow.

Bob sounds like an uber-fuckwit. I wait for the unveiling. I am betting Bob for all his colourful rhetorical and claims of knowing me...he is just a sad little troll looking for an audience to love him.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on July 30, 2008, 04:50:21 PM
By saying he hasn't done anything to deserve your respect just means he succeeded in dragging you down to his level. Well done!  :green:

You'd be correct except that you are working on the presumption I was on a higher level than Sir_Les in the first place. On what could you possibly base that presumption upon? :roses: I thought Sir_Les was an established member here and thought much more highly of than a relative newbie. Or perhaps you are meaning that Sir_Les is sinking to my level :green: I don't think anybody is below his or her own level in this. Strikes me this part of the forum is set up for this sort of thing.

My standard response to somebody I see as a confirmed bully or a troll is to fight them - the ole red rag to a bull thing. Maybe part of it is to try and give them a taste of what I see as their own medicine dealt out to others... but I always know that they will probably quickly get the better of me, I'm not much of a match for them. Especially when others join in. If they join in on my side, I dislike mobs and feel uncomfortable, and if on their side, I quickly get good and stung. Hah, how stupid am I. Truly thick, especially since sooner or later I start to think of the person rather than the behaviour and get kind of sick of what I, myself, am perhaps doing to them.

Boy am I in the wrong forum :hair:

No your not, your doing very well, IMHO and giving twice as well as you are getting!   :thumbup:  :plus:  I know Sir-Les from AI and he means well, just is still feeling his way into good flame wars.  It's an artform, you must admit!   8)
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on July 30, 2008, 05:15:10 PM
By saying he hasn't done anything to deserve your respect just means he succeeded in dragging you down to his level. Well done!  :green:

You'd be correct except that you are working on the presumption I was on a higher level than Sir_Les in the first place. On what could you possibly base that presumption upon? :roses: I thought Sir_Les was an established member here and thought much more highly of than a relative newbie. Or perhaps you are meaning that Sir_Les is sinking to my level :green: I don't think anybody is below his or her own level in this. Strikes me this part of the forum is set up for this sort of thing.

My standard response to somebody I see as a confirmed bully or a troll is to fight them - the ole red rag to a bull thing. Maybe part of it is to try and give them a taste of what I see as their own medicine dealt out to others... but I always know that they will probably quickly get the better of me, I'm not much of a match for them. Especially when others join in. If they join in on my side, I dislike mobs and feel uncomfortable, and if on their side, I quickly get good and stung. Hah, how stupid am I. Truly thick, especially since sooner or later I start to think of the person rather than the behaviour and get kind of sick of what I, myself, am perhaps doing to them.

Boy am I in the wrong forum :hair:

You aren't doing anything to me Nocturnalist. Least ways anything you ought to feel that impacts on my delicate sensibilities.

You were just boring me by rehashing the same canned insults and peppering them with emoticons to try and present it as meaningful. It wasn't. I got tired of it after a while.
Your initial posts presented your "big points" and they were presented as fact and found not to be. Basically every claim you made of knowing the reasoning, the situation or me for that matter, has showed otherwise and you then revert to the "Poor Sir_Les, "Diddums" [insert emoticon] bet he is upset....Hahaha" Kinda weak, really. It doesn't phase me much at all.

As for your bully claim? We both had history so that kinda blows the basing confirmation of bully on me. It sounds like you are trying again to use the word "confirm" to mean proved. I have yet to see this proved.

But then this seems to be your way IF we look at your posts here as a guide. You seem to want to hold on to your version of what happen and who was what and who am I to stand in the way of other's delusions. I think it is an affront to your pride and intelligence (therefore self-worth) to suggest you were wrong and you wasted your time with this in your righteous enthusiasm to prove otherwise. You are still nowhere close to showing what an Earth you are claiming.

Don't worry about me or that you're a concern to me. If you have something meaningful I say just get it out there. I thought you had just delegated yourself to saying..."Well that's what I think about nasty Les anyhow"
Bob in his vague assertions at present looks more assertive

Hope this helps
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Pyraxis on July 30, 2008, 05:30:36 PM
Bob, another n00b with no credentials but with a score to settle?

They're the best kind.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on July 30, 2008, 06:27:16 PM
You were just boring me...

Yes, its boring me also :yawn: I started feeling cruel and it turned my stomach. Glad you didn't mind :green: One does wonder why you minded Zach so much though - thankfully I'm not the jealous type :evillaugh:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on July 30, 2008, 06:30:10 PM
Bob, another n00b with no credentials but with a score to settle?

They're the best kind.

I wait in eager anticipation  :asthing:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on July 30, 2008, 06:39:54 PM


Probably a lot of truth in what you say. I take my hat off to Nocturnalist. I am a good baiter but he is a master baiter  :lol:

I'm the lowest of the low.

Typical Sir Les ploy, if you can't beat 'em, suck up to them.

Sir Les is very much like the character his name portrays. He is a very creepy piece of shit. On the internet he is tough bastard, a rottewhieler, a jerk, a protector of innocents  ::) but in real life a snivelling, sad man, terrified of his own shadow.

Bob sounds like an uber-fuckwit. I wait for the unveiling. I am betting Bob for all his colourful rhetorical and claims of knowing me...he is just a sad little troll looking for an audience to love him.

Sir Les, you my friend  ::)  are cruelly depriving a village somewhere of an idiot. There are several people in this world that I find unbearably obnoxious, and you are all of them (aliases included), creep.

What you lack in intelligence, you more than surely make up for with your stupidity and ignorance.

:hahaha:
sad little man  ::) I don't like  you.  :finger:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on July 30, 2008, 06:49:23 PM
By saying he hasn't done anything to deserve your respect just means he succeeded in dragging you down to his level. Well done!  :green:

You'd be correct except that you are working on the presumption I was on a higher level than Sir_Les in the first place. On what could you possibly base that presumption upon? :roses: I thought Sir_Les was an established member here and thought much more highly of than a relative newbie. Or perhaps you are meaning that Sir_Les is sinking to my level :green: I don't think anybody is below his or her own level in this. Strikes me this part of the forum is set up for this sort of thing.

My standard response to somebody I see as a confirmed bully or a troll is to fight them - the ole red rag to a bull thing. Maybe part of it is to try and give them a taste of what I see as their own medicine dealt out to others... but I always know that they will probably quickly get the better of me, I'm not much of a match for them. Especially when others join in. If they join in on my side, I dislike mobs and feel uncomfortable, and if on their side, I quickly get good and stung. Hah, how stupid am I. Truly thick, especially since sooner or later I start to think of the person rather than the behaviour and get kind of sick of what I, myself, am perhaps doing to them.

Boy am I in the wrong forum :hair:

No your not, your doing very well, IMHO and giving twice as well as you are getting!   :thumbup:  :plus:  I know Sir-Les from AI and he means well, just is still feeling his way into good flame wars.  It's an artform, you must admit!   8)

He is a master flamer and bully. He was trying to pick a fight with a 22 year old. Step in the ring  ::) ::) How pathetic and sad. It is an artform - one that Sir Les takes pride in practicing regularly, but he knows to choose weaker opponents.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Parts on July 30, 2008, 06:54:42 PM
Bob what has Sir Les done to you to make you so  bitter   toward him please share it.  It could be fun
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on July 30, 2008, 07:15:11 PM
I know Sir-Les from AI and he means well, just is still feeling his way into good flame wars.  It's an artform, you must admit!   8)

Nah, this is a minor skirmish and not a flame war ;D I was once in a big flame war on Delphi forums back in the mid 1990s involving a large number of fora, I got badly burned... a lot of people did. Trouble with me is I have a weak stomach when it comes to this sort of thing - I don't particularly enjoy it beyond blowing off a bit of steam at a Troll :eyebrows: I don't mind whether or not I'm seen as giving better than I get or not, I just started feeling cruel, as if picking on somebody weaker than me, and I didn't like that feeling.

I thought I'd get punched up more than this, I thought that Sir_Les would have others here who would quickly wade on in with him on his side. The match just seems too uneven, and now others are getting on Sir_Les' case which just makes it worse. I didn't invite anybody over here and don't know about Bob beyond what I've read today.

I guess I just don't find him personally offensive enough for me to remain interested in this for long :yawn: If Bob or anybody else want a slice of him, be my guest. :smashviolin:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on July 30, 2008, 07:46:38 PM
nah, think I will give it a miss.

I'm not really a one to pick on someone sadder than me either.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on July 30, 2008, 08:32:38 PM
nah, think I will give it a miss.

I think that would probably be for the best, Bob :green: Enjoy the rest of the forum.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on July 30, 2008, 10:11:15 PM
By saying he hasn't done anything to deserve your respect just means he succeeded in dragging you down to his level. Well done!  :green:

You'd be correct except that you are working on the presumption I was on a higher level than Sir_Les in the first place. On what could you possibly base that presumption upon? :roses: I thought Sir_Les was an established member here and thought much more highly of than a relative newbie. Or perhaps you are meaning that Sir_Les is sinking to my level :green: I don't think anybody is below his or her own level in this. Strikes me this part of the forum is set up for this sort of thing.

My standard response to somebody I see as a confirmed bully or a troll is to fight them - the ole red rag to a bull thing. Maybe part of it is to try and give them a taste of what I see as their own medicine dealt out to others... but I always know that they will probably quickly get the better of me, I'm not much of a match for them. Especially when others join in. If they join in on my side, I dislike mobs and feel uncomfortable, and if on their side, I quickly get good and stung. Hah, how stupid am I. Truly thick, especially since sooner or later I start to think of the person rather than the behaviour and get kind of sick of what I, myself, am perhaps doing to them.

Boy am I in the wrong forum :hair:

No your not, your doing very well, IMHO and giving twice as well as you are getting!   :thumbup:  :plus:  I know Sir-Les from AI and he means well, just is still feeling his way into good flame wars.  It's an artform, you must admit!   8)

He is a master flamer and bully. He was trying to pick a fight with a 22 year old. Step in the ring  ::) ::) How pathetic and sad. It is an artform - one that Sir Les takes pride in practicing regularly, but he knows to choose weaker opponents.

Bob you bring up me "attacking" a 22 year old. Now apart from the fact that he and I were having a mutual disagreement and not one attacking the other more than the other. (Though I must admit I did not put shit on any site I owned about him), you bring up the fact he is 22? So what? Ask Hadron or PMSElle their age. Go on. At 22 he is recognised as a man and I can't expect I ought to take that into consideration surely?

A "master" flamer? Why thank you for the endorsement. Choosing weaker opponents? Who measures that? In who's reckoning? I am not so bad Bob, am I?

So I tell you what as you have so much knowledge o me, how about you unmask yourself. I am betting there is another username somewhere there. Someone I don't know in real life and someone who likes to hide behind a random name. Go on see if you are more than the coward you appear.  :hahaha:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on July 31, 2008, 08:50:53 AM
No your not, your doing very well, IMHO and giving twice as well as you are getting!   :thumbup:  :plus:  I know Sir-Les from AI and he means well, just is still feeling his way into good flame wars.  It's an artform, you must admit!   8)

Wow Ozy! You really think so? You don't know what a compliment like that must have to Nocturnalist. See I may actually read things a “little bit” differently.

Think how he got the compliment and how he behaved after and what came before. See this is how I read things (Edited version):................


By saying he hasn't done anything to deserve your respect just means he succeeded in dragging you down to his level. Well done!  :green:

You'd be correct except that you are working on the presumption........[ :blah: then rambles inanely for a while about fuck all]
My standard response to somebody I see as a confirmed bully or a troll [He hasn't made a case for either being so in this case but the word “confirmed” gives it credibility, to make up for what he lacks] is to fight them - the ole red rag to a bull thing..... [ :blah: He loves the tough guy image. It  crops up a bit – as you will see] I quickly get good and stung. Hah, how stupid am........[  :blah: Tough guy rhetoric mingled with liberal doses of good old self depreciation]

Boy am I in the wrong forum [This is a plea. “Please someone say I am in the right forum and contradict me”]

Did well too in throwing him a bone to chew on. Next thing he is metaphorically lying on his back with his legs apart and his nuts exposed trying to entice you to rub his tummy and love him

I know Sir-Les from AI and he means well, just is still feeling his way into good flame wars.  It's an artform, you must admit!   8)

Nah, this is a minor skirmish ....[Oh skirmish, I thought it was footsies?]....and not a flame war ;D I was once in a big flame war..... [ :blah: not just a tough guy a veteran soldier. The GI Joe of Internerds and a force to be reckoned with. He hopes with a courageous history like that how can Ozy not feel proud of him.......and therefore rub his tummy] I got badly burned... [ :blah: not what you told me... :lies:..you were telling me the tough guy version of giving it to a vile troll...I was impressed and crap. I think though you had different motivation telling the story so the version had to change. Kinda ....hmmm....” duplicitous”. Where have I seen that word recently? It will come to me]  beyond blowing off a bit of steam at a Troll :eyebrows: I don't mind whether or not I'm seen as giving better than I get .....[ :blah: Tough guy again]

I thought that Sir_Les would have others here who would quickly wade on in with him on his side[Like I want that? Shows what he knows about this place]
. The match just seems too uneven.... [ :blah: That is because Nocturnalist............is a tough guy]:

Got to Love a Tough guy. Of course he is humble modest and self-depreciating too, which is adorable.
Oh I give up...Come here Nocti. Let me rub that big round bald head of yours and pat your tummy. How could anyone stay angry at something so utterly useless?
  :lol:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on July 31, 2008, 09:49:34 AM
Well, Sir_Les, its up to you to sting me into action again if you really want more, so I don't continue finding pity for you. I simply don't have the stomach for much of this sort of thing when I start viewing the other party as so very much less able.

See, I knew you'd find all those puns on your name too irresistible, but I'm not sadistic enough by nature to kick a Troll when he's down.

I can see why you might think I was getting at you again in the above post, but I was just speaking my mind in all honesty (though not sparing your blushes perhaps), just as honest as when I wish anybody get well wishes (not just you, but anybody). I really and honestly do see you as too weak for this. Sorry about that.

You must be careful to stop projecting yourself onto others, otherwise you'll get absolutely nowhere trying to figure others out :green:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on July 31, 2008, 03:11:16 PM
Bob, another n00b with no credentials but with a score to settle?

They're the best kind.

The most boring kind, because they always fail to explain why their causes are righteous in the first place. :yawn:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The Member Formerly Known As Sophist on July 31, 2008, 04:56:03 PM
I must be the only one who's drinking the beer then... All the more for me!!!  :laugh:

***sits back and continues to watch the show, beer in hand***

***sip***
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on July 31, 2008, 04:56:56 PM
No your not, your doing very well, IMHO and giving twice as well as you are getting!   :thumbup:  :plus:  I know Sir-Les from AI and he means well, just is still feeling his way into good flame wars.  It's an artform, you must admit!   8)

Wow Ozy! You really think so? You don't know what a compliment like that must have to Nocturnalist. See I may actually read things a “little bit” differently.

Think how he got the compliment and how he behaved after and what came before. See this is how I read things (Edited version):................


By saying he hasn't done anything to deserve your respect just means he succeeded in dragging you down to his level. Well done!  :green:

You'd be correct except that you are working on the presumption........[ :blah: then rambles inanely for a while about fuck all]
My standard response to somebody I see as a confirmed bully or a troll [He hasn't made a case for either being so in this case but the word “confirmed” gives it credibility, to make up for what he lacks] is to fight them - the ole red rag to a bull thing..... [ :blah: He loves the tough guy image. It  crops up a bit – as you will see] I quickly get good and stung. Hah, how stupid am........[  :blah: Tough guy rhetoric mingled with liberal doses of good old self depreciation]

Boy am I in the wrong forum [This is a plea. “Please someone say I am in the right forum and contradict me”]

Did well too in throwing him a bone to chew on. Next thing he is metaphorically lying on his back with his legs apart and his nuts exposed trying to entice you to rub his tummy and love him

I know Sir-Les from AI and he means well, just is still feeling his way into good flame wars.  It's an artform, you must admit!   8)

Nah, this is a minor skirmish ....[Oh skirmish, I thought it was footsies?]....and not a flame war ;D I was once in a big flame war..... [ :blah: not just a tough guy a veteran soldier. The GI Joe of Internerds and a force to be reckoned with. He hopes with a courageous history like that how can Ozy not feel proud of him.......and therefore rub his tummy] I got badly burned... [ :blah: not what you told me... :lies:..you were telling me the tough guy version of giving it to a vile troll...I was impressed and crap. I think though you had different motivation telling the story so the version had to change. Kinda ....hmmm....” duplicitous”. Where have I seen that word recently? It will come to me]  beyond blowing off a bit of steam at a Troll :eyebrows: I don't mind whether or not I'm seen as giving better than I get .....[ :blah: Tough guy again]

I thought that Sir_Les would have others here who would quickly wade on in with him on his side[Like I want that? Shows what he knows about this place]
. The match just seems too uneven.... [ :blah: That is because Nocturnalist............is a tough guy]:

Got to Love a Tough guy. Of course he is humble modest and self-depreciating too, which is adorable.
Oh I give up...Come here Nocti. Let me rub that big round bald head of yours and pat your tummy. How could anyone stay angry at something so utterly useless?
  :lol:

Sir_Les, you misread me, I like you with a degree of respect, but, I don't see your points a lot of the time.  So, I'll keep my piehole shut in regards  to your opinions in the future.

Have a good life!

Peace
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The Member Formerly Known As Sophist on July 31, 2008, 05:01:51 PM
Mmmmmmm......... pie...........  :drool:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on July 31, 2008, 05:03:08 PM
I know Sir-Les from AI and he means well, just is still feeling his way into good flame wars.  It's an artform, you must admit!   8)

Nah, this is a minor skirmish and not a flame war ;D I was once in a big flame war on Delphi forums back in the mid 1990s involving a large number of fora, I got badly burned... a lot of people did. Trouble with me is I have a weak stomach when it comes to this sort of thing - I don't particularly enjoy it beyond blowing off a bit of steam at a Troll :eyebrows: I don't mind whether or not I'm seen as giving better than I get or not, I just started feeling cruel, as if picking on somebody weaker than me, and I didn't like that feeling.

I thought I'd get punched up more than this, I thought that Sir_Les would have others here who would quickly wade on in with him on his side. The match just seems too uneven, and now others are getting on Sir_Les' case which just makes it worse. I didn't invite anybody over here and don't know about Bob beyond what I've read today.

I guess I just don't find him personally offensive enough for me to remain interested in this for long :yawn: If Bob or anybody else want a slice of him, be my guest. :smashviolin:

Ok,  I'm just so out of the loop as to all the reasons for such anger/angst and rage.  So, I'm pulling myself more and more everyday from dealing with it.  I'm back on AFF in a very limited basis, but, not emotionally attached to any of the drama as I see it spread out before me.  

As for Delphi Forums, that is another story and both my wife and I have washed our hands of that place forever and ever.  When my wife got flamed for posting the positives about being married to an aspie like me, she was viciously and brutally attacked by MamaMarsh and several others.   There is just so much more to life than this or that!

Peace
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on July 31, 2008, 09:25:46 PM
As for Delphi Forums, that is another story and both my wife and I have washed our hands of that place forever and ever.  When my wife got flamed for posting the positives about being married to an aspie like me, she was viciously and brutally attacked by MamaMarsh and several others.

Yikes. The 'AS Partners' forum... that place is corrosive :o Yes, that lot wouldn't stand for anybody being positive about being married to an Aspie.

There are good fora on Delphi, but it can be volatile. Several fora were involved in the big flame war I was in on Delphi. A particularly nasty troll started it (In some fora he posed as a councillor and got vulnerable women to share sexual secrets with him, and on another occasion he pretended to have cancer when exposed as a Troll on a forum, and then asked people for money to help him... most of the time he just caused trouble and baited people then pleaded that he would change his ways and that he just needed people to be fair to him). The troll was dealt with eventually after Delphi officials stepped in, but flame wars like that don't end when the troll goes, they continue and are in many ways worse for lack of direction. Friends turned on friends in the aftermath, newbies were IDed mostly wrongly as the troll coming back and several fora didn't survive it including my home forum. The troll was called Russwords. It was a directionless self-appointed vigilante group that gave me the most trouble though - Russwords was gone and they ran amok.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on July 31, 2008, 11:10:15 PM
Mmmmmmm......... pie...........  :drool:

Can I have some, I'm hungry.
Sorry to disappoint Odeon.  :)
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 01, 2008, 10:12:38 AM
Well, Sir_Les, its up to you to sting me into action again if you really want more, so I don't continue finding pity for you. I simply don't have the stomach for much of this sort of thing when I start viewing the other party as so very much less able.

What a fanspastic concept! I need to “sting you into action”? I have been waiting for the Lion of Gestalt to do ...... something and now you imagine that you have already done something clever and are what? Basking in the glow of your self-importance?

So what HAVE you done? Now you say, “My standard response to somebody I see as a confirmed bully or a troll is to fight them - the ole red rag to a bull thing. Maybe part of it is to try and give them a taste of what I see as their own medicine dealt out to others” AND “don't particularly enjoy it beyond blowing off a bit of steam at a Troll”

Sounds tough, righteous and rather impressive..though you also say “we're simply playing footsie....and later............”Nah, this is a minor skirmish

Truth now, were you or were you not, wearing clown shoes when you wrote this crap?
When you first came in and posted I was prepared for an onslaught worthy of your members identifying you as the “Lion of Gestalt”. I was ready for the righteous attacker of vile trolls from Delphi. What I got was a lot of huff in the first post or two and no puff. Piss weak really.

There has been a lot of fancy emoticons, a lot of blah, a truckload of tough guy, about the same of modest self-depreciating bullshit and a bucketful of whining. That is as far as your contribution to this discussion gets.

Having seen both versions of your troll story at Delphi, I am going with the “got badly flamed”.

See, I knew you'd find all those puns on your name too irresistible, but I'm not sadistic enough by nature to kick a Troll when he's down.


What puns on my name? What are you going on about now? You don't like kicking troll when they are down? Fascinating! Maybe you should find a troll and test out the theory. It doesn't appear you did so well last time you came across a troll (at Delphi) sounds like they kicked your arse. (Seems too, that you are that desperate to make up for the blow to your ego by trying to convince yourself that (a) I am a troll and (b) I am bought down – presumably by you.)

This is what happens I guess when Nocturnalist's logic is confronted by his larger ego....Nocturnalist's mind wanders some strange places. Go just a little further into the unlit shadows of the unused and obsolete corridors of less rational thought and you may meet Randy.


I can see why you might think I was getting at you again in the above post, but I was just speaking my mind in all honesty (though not sparing your blushes perhaps), just as honest as when I wish anybody get well wishes (not just you, but anybody). I really and honestly do see you as too weak for this. Sorry about that.

What are you saying now? Is this a stream of consciousness exercise to you? Had the meds kicked in and you were feeling a little out of it? What?

You must be careful to stop projecting yourself onto others, otherwise you'll get absolutely nowhere trying to figure others out

Again with the projection and also an assumption I am trying to figure you out. I'm not. I think you are an ass and I have said that all along. I don't care enough to “find the real you”.
I think, Nocturnalist, you ought to rename yourself “Projectionist”. You make me laugh.  :lol:

I “honestly” don't want to be you. I know this is probably a blow to your ego, but there you go.
Personally I think the theory of projection whilst in certain context may have application I think you rely on it a little too heavily. I know you said “That is what Freud would say” I think honestly if Freud were here today, he would be more interested in making incestuous claims on our parent's relationship with us and scoring the next hit of cocaine. (Not that I am anti-Freud. His efforts in treating shell shock were very worthy of every mention of his name)

No. Nocturnalist is a three track record. Tough guy...self-depreciating modesty...and whining...Same tune different words. Over, and over.
Need more proof?


I have absolutely no problem with you complaining about me, Sir_Les. I just have a problem .....[:blah: You bring the cheese I have the WHINE]

You are utterly pathetic. I'm probably utterly pathetic also - it won't have been the first time. [Self depreciation. Good to see. Need to spice it up and keep the readers from slipping into a coma]

So, Zach made a mistake in his research. Well who made you a policeman - how many blogs have you read? [ :blah: Gives me a exciting lecture and then plays tough guy. I was so impressed . I did not know whether to clap, laugh, shit myself or orgasm.]

Ah, the almighty call out. Well everybody everywhere ought to be duty bound to respond to a call out on Intensity Squared... oh naughty Zach for not doing so. I think he was a wiser person than ....[:blah: self-depreciating bullshit]

 Nah, you didn't come across to Gestalt thinking he would respond to the call, you came over to make sport of him and you had no right whatsoever to do that. [:blah: I am in the waaaaaaambulance having a whine]

 What an awful person I must be. [:blah: self-depreciation]

I've seen your type often before... [:blah: Nocturnalist likes thinks he knows me and my “type”. Really hard to tell but I think he believes he has a connection thing happening with me. Hard to tell though. I just want to hear him talk about Projection again. Namely me onto him. Sounds sorta weird and pyscho-sexual. It would be worth another laugh at the very least]

This is just one of many posts with it all in.

Course along the way the whole assertion that I was a bully, kind of lost a little credibility, as did the duplicity and whining behind backs, as did Zach not being a member of I2, as did thinking everyone would pile-on to you for some reason, nor that this is some sanctuary I would seek refuge from Big Old Nasty Nocti, as did pretty much everything you say about everything you think you have achieved here and how badly you think I am effected by it.

Still if YOU believe you have done something clever, tough or whatever then that is the main thing isn't it Nocturnalist?
So do you have a gentle glow of joy and feeling that you have contributed immensely to your life? Pretty pathetic in a funny kind of a way.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 01, 2008, 10:22:21 AM

Sir_Les, you misread me, I like you with a degree of respect, but, I don't see your points a lot of the time.  So, I'll keep my piehole shut in regards  to your opinions in the future.

Have a good life!

Peace

Hey Ozy. Wasn't having a go at you. Quite the opposite. I thought it was quite funny to see Nocti lap up the attention and try to impress you with his troll hunting story. It sounded brave but humble and made him sound strong yet almost.......human.  :wanker:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 01, 2008, 10:26:53 AM
Bob what has Sir Les done to you to make you so  bitter   toward him please share it.  It could be fun

As much as I probably shouldn't be interested or care....I wouldn't mind knowing who this wally is too. Sounds like there is a story and I think it could be funny.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 01, 2008, 11:26:56 AM
Why on earth does Sir_Les so much want me to come out to play again? :yawn: Perhaps its love :heart:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on August 01, 2008, 02:15:04 PM
What's wrong Sir Les, don't you get any attention in your real life?
I notice you have an inferiority complex, and from what I can tell it is fully justified.
Stop pretending to be a tough bastard on the net.

Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 01, 2008, 07:47:20 PM
I dunno, all these wanky pseudo-intellectuals bragging about their IQs and other bullshit. Jesus, Nocturnalist, you do sound like one of the prats over at Wankplanet, because I got the same boring shit from at least 2 mods there. Are you MrMark's lovechild? Or are you the child that was taken off sinsbloodily when she was 18? Doesn't matter, being as you said you were never on Wankplanet, you probably would have trouble remembering your liineage. That first ramble you had at Sir Les might have been funny for a paragraph, but it lost it's charm after the second 'diddums'. Is that when the inner child took over, eh? So what if he went over to find where this dickhead was? So what if he upset your applecart by trying to get some response from this prat? It's only a fucking forum fight, nobody gives a stuff. And just to think, you wasted a whole load of space with some good emoticons just to post them with all that drivel. Now I've never been to that Gestalt site, but if it's anything like the way Wankplanet is run (or even AFF, for that fact), then I'm obviously not missing anything. Either that character Zach has got balls or he's a big girl's blouse; either way, he's been called out. And the more he puts it off, the more of a chicken shit everyone will think he is. And personally, the free publicity he got on Wankplanet's home page is not helping his cause. I'm even tempted to side with the big boys on this.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 01, 2008, 08:25:26 PM
Ah it finally squeaks. :lol:

Either that character Zach has got balls or he's a big girl's blouse; either way, he's been called out. And the more he puts it off, the more of a chicken shit everyone will think he is. And personally, the free publicity he got on Wankplanet's home page is not helping his cause. I'm even tempted to side with the big boys on this.

Ooooo, he's been called out. Wow, how impressed he must be :LMAO: Come on, you guys surely can't really be so convinced of your own faux importance, or are you really so self deluded? :respect:

So 'The_Chosen_One', who was it that chose you? Somebody else, or is your chosen forum tag just purely narcissistic? What an honour it must be for me to finally encounter you. :emb:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 01, 2008, 08:54:06 PM
Pity the same can't be said about you. Of course I am a friend of Sir Les, as he obviously can spot a dickhead a mile off. And given the fact that this moron Zach refused help when it was offered, and spat the dummy, shows that he deserved everthing that came to him. Now I must ask you a question... How old are you? 12 trying to be 40? Next thing we know is that you'll pull the old MENSA shit that Illusionist pulled and say you have some over-inflated IQ... Say 138 or 145 or some shit. Dream on, self-diagnosing IQs and claiming MENSA membership online is the biggest wank anyone could come up with. Hell, I could say I have 10 uinversity degrees and I'm the Dean of the University of Sydney. I know it's bullshit, but how are you going to prove it isn't. Now if you have a problem with what Sir Les has got going with this imbecile, then I'm afraid you are just going to have to live with it; and believe me, given the nature of the original complaint and the whining he was doing on AFF and other fora, Zach could have solved his problem quite easily, and by pissing off any help he was offered was only going to make things worse.

Now back to you. Obviously if someone such as yourself can have a say in how a forum is run (such as Gestalt, for eg), then it doesn't take rocket science to realise that someone has severely fucked up when they let you have the gold key to the crapper. I mean, if you can admin a site, or even moderate it, then a two year old could. And given most of your ramblings to date, they couldn't be much worse.

And as for my moniker, at least I don't work in the dark. How about coming out so we can see you? Or is that closet a little too comfortable?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 01, 2008, 09:31:16 PM
Why on earth does Sir_Les so much want me to come out to play again? :yawn: Perhaps its love :heart:

Again? Interesting.

Now I mentioned your first two posts were clearly your best. But they were the best of a bad bunch. Plenty of tough guy, a lot of self-depreciation and a little bit of whine, padded with a bit of bullshit.. This is what you said there.

I thought it only right to stand up and be counted.

So if anybody on here has got a problem with me because of how I dealt with Sir_Les stalking Zach over to another forum, feel free to have your say in the full knowledge that I am willingly reading it.

Was it a threat or practicing talking tough I wonder if he pressed the keys on the keyboard assertively whilst typing this – just for emphasis)


I couldn't give two hoots. Your motivations for going over to Gestalt are as plain as the rather large nose on my face, it ain't rocket science, mate ::)

You play tough, but speaking of whinging... [:blah: Then starts whinging himself]

I think....[ :blah: then proves he doesn't]

Yes you squeak it up big here, but thats just one big play act. Playing to your audience - lol
Don't worry Sir_Les, I'm sure you're perfectly safe here  I'm here alone. I'm sure there are plenty of folk in this place who mistake you for a stand up guy... you're great at pretending to be something you are not.[ :blah: Which is what exactly? Poor bastard doesn't know. He tried to accuse me of projection earlier. He is “certain” of so many things except the obvious. “He is wrong about most of what he states as clear cut and obvious and is an ass”]

I'm sure you have several mates here who will stand with you [showing his lack of knowledge of the place] , just like they played mob Zach with you - tricky mobbing somebody who isn't here to defend himself... how brave an attempt though Its really easy to be a mob when somebody is here. [way to misread a situation. Fanspastic!]

So go on Diddums give it your best shot. [tough guy at 12 o'clock – into the fall out shelter]

Fine, I may be a pathetic square and uncool person who lays it on thick, setting myself up as sport for the mob perhaps - so what! Maybe I'm a fool. I truly hate myself for many things... So go on, Sir_Loin, want a steak in a game of making sport of me? :stinker: Don't worry about being man enough for it, I'm easilly baited. Hey haven't I just completely set myself up for it? [:blah: Again with the self-depreciation AND Tough guy act? Poor soul is confused and forgetting if he is trying to be tough or modest.  :laugh:]

So are you going to...

A)... Give it your best shot.
B)... Cop out.
C)... Pretend I'm not here.
D)... Run away.
E)... Continue to be duplitious.


 :wanker:. As I said gotta love a tough guy. If I wasn't laughing so hard I would be rather frightened or impressed or cowed or whatever it is Nocturnalist imagines his Tough Guy act does.

It has occurred to be just how much time I have wasted on this. The thought has come to me that in as much as I am a little bored, Nocturnalist definitely won't provide any relief from that. Sure he was good for a few laughs but outside of that? Clearly he has some funny ideas, but then so do many people. See I like to think the Illusionists, Phu Yus, Richards, Randys and Nocturnalists ought ALL have a home here. They are welcome. They can come here and say what they like and be laughed at or flamed. I said from the outset (after I worked out who the hell this "Nocturnalist" was) I thought this place would be OK for him. It is in this context I was thinking but I think he has showed me I was right.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 01, 2008, 09:47:51 PM
What's wrong Sir Les, don't you get any attention in your real life?
I notice you have an inferiority complex, and from what I can tell it is fully justified.
Stop pretending to be a tough bastard on the net.

Go on Bob tell us all who you really are and what the story is.
Come on it could be fun for all of us. No need to be shy.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: GalileoAce on August 01, 2008, 09:59:33 PM
It's probably just some fan of Zach, whom didn't take too well to your calling him out.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 01, 2008, 10:00:32 PM
Nocturnalist is actuallist Illusionist in drag, and Bob is what his hand is doing with his baloney.....
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: GalileoAce on August 01, 2008, 10:02:49 PM
As amusing as that is :P It's factually incorrect. Nocturnalist isn't Illusions667.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ProfessorFarnsworth on August 02, 2008, 12:18:58 AM
I think it's safe to say TheZach is either unaware or unwilling to accept this callout. A shame though.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on August 02, 2008, 02:45:55 AM
Of course I am a friend of Sir Les, as he obviously can spot a dickhead a mile off.

 :indeed: Takes one to know one, oh chosen one. ::)


Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 02, 2008, 04:34:59 AM
Of course I am a friend of Sir Les, as he obviously can spot a dickhead a mile off.

 :indeed: Takes one to know one, oh chosen one. ::)




Funny thing is he was looking at you when he told me.....  :lol:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 02, 2008, 05:44:22 AM
Of course I am a friend of Sir Les, as he obviously can spot a dickhead a mile off.

Ah that explains it. No wonder you are both friends of each other :hahaha:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 02, 2008, 05:50:03 AM
It has occurred to be just how much time I have wasted on this. The thought has come to me that in as much as I am a little bored...

Toddle off then, Sir_Les. You have my permission :green:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 02, 2008, 05:54:49 AM
Of course I am a friend of Sir Les, as he obviously can spot a dickhead a mile off.
:indeed: Takes one to know one, oh chosen one. ::)
Funny thing is he was looking at you when he told me.....  :lol:

Oh so he had to tell you :o I thought you had observed this and could think for yourself. :lol:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 02, 2008, 06:30:25 AM
It has occurred to be just how much time I have wasted on this. The thought has come to me that in as much as I am a little bored...

Toddle off then, Sir_Les. You have my permission :green:

Not that I want or need your permission, but yes I have had enough laughs and the promise of some kind of thrills has not arrived. The repetition of Tough Guy/Modesty/whine has started to became all too predictable and I stop  even appear trying to interested.

So goodnight. Good luck in finding that <troll/clue/rational line of thought/vindication for your Delphi experience/win/respect/whatever the hell else you were trying to achieve in this attempt at debate> .

Just as a (hopefully useful) hint, if you are going to try to find objection to anyone here, firstly, the modesty thing makes you look a little pathetic (small doses you could probably get away with), secondly the tough guy thing is great....if you can pull it off. I sure can't and you sure the hell can't, thirdly, go into things with at least an idea of the facts. It helps tremendously in making your point if people don't either prove you wrong or cast doubt on what you say, and lastly remember this is intensitysquared. We have been kicked off or shunned from most reasonable establishments online and are the rejects of the ASD community. The values you seem to think we hold true are not correct. We "generally" like each other but are quite happy just seeing flaming to liven the place up. We won't "mob" someone for it and if our friend can't handle themselves, then they ought to get a thicker skin or fuck off. I know that does not work elsewhere but it does here. We like to sit back and watch an argument we are not involved in and laugh, in the way a kid might watch two big insects fighting. We find it fascinating and fun. Check out the Peanut Gallery for an idea of what I mean.

Anyhow...umm....Toodles.  :laugh:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 02, 2008, 07:24:24 AM
We have been kicked off or shunned from most reasonable establishments online and are the rejects of the ASD community.

Yes, that seems to be the easy badge of virtue here. I'm just surprised somebody as hyper-sensitive as you dares to even post in this forum. It must be difficult hiding your sensitivity, or do you find it an easy gig? Maybe the latter when the people impressed by you are the likes of 'The Chosen One'... not exactly the brightest tool in the box :eyebrows:

Zach refused your offer to help. OK, so what is the problem for somebody who is thick skinned? Seems a little matter, yet it seemed to get your goat well and truly and prompted you to go after him - look at this thread you started here :violin:

I stepped in quicker than you expected when you tried to have a little Troll at Zach on Gestalt... you brushed it off here simply saying I laid it on a little thick... but, in reality you were so very upset you complained about me twice to the other Admin at Gestalt for what you saw as my supposed lack of respect for you. I think that was pretty thin skinned, especially since I was perfectly correct about your motivations... and you offered no mention of that in this thread even though you seemed keen that others here be able to see your public sport.

Somebody with thick skin would surely have not got so upset with Zach, and may have held up their hands and admitted it was a fair cop when caught out by me. Alas, these things obviously hurt your flimsy ego.

So I have mercy on your incredibly thin skin... I let you go. :thumbup:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 02, 2008, 08:11:41 AM
We have been kicked off or shunned from most reasonable establishments online and are the rejects of the ASD community.

Yes, that seems to be the easy badge of virtue here. I'm just surprised somebody as hyper-sensitive as you dares to even post in this forum. It must be difficult hiding your sensitivity, or do you find it an easy gig? Maybe the latter when the people impressed by you are the likes of 'The Chosen One'... not exactly the brightest tool in the box :eyebrows:

Zach refused your offer to help. OK, so what is the problem for somebody who is thick skinned? Seems a little matter, yet it seemed to get your goat well and truly and prompted you to go after him - look at this thread you started here :violin:

I stepped in quicker than you expected when you tried to have a little Troll at Zach on Gestalt... you brushed it off here simply saying I laid it on a little thick... but, in reality you were so very upset you complained about me twice to the other Admin at Gestalt for what you saw as my supposed lack of respect for you. I think that was pretty thin skinned, especially since I was perfectly correct about your motivations... and you offered no mention of that in this thread even though you seemed keen that others here be able to see your public sport.

Somebody with thick skin would surely have not got so upset with Zach, and may have held up their hands and admitted it was a fair cop when caught out by me. Alas, these things obviously hurt your flimsy ego.

So I have mercy on your incredibly thin skin... I let you go. :thumbup:

Yeah, yeah, I am sure you are boring as batshit right. I am a delicate little flower and need someone like you here to keep me humble and deferent. "The Lion of Gestalt"  the "humbler of trolls",  "the bulldog", the blowhard arseclown. Yup glad you are here to tell it like it is........or should be. You are so right I have learned the error of my ways and from this day on I will refuse to make any references to your evident stupidity or ugliness and treat you with the dignity the aforementioned titles expect.

I wonder if you type one-handed?  :wanker:   Just a disturbing thought. You seem to invoke a lot of wankerisms in your postings.  :laugh:

I am happy you calling this a nighty win against a nasty troll. Not because you did or typed anything remotely deserving of a fight. Nor made any reasonable point. Nor against a troll. Nor am I nasty.......BUT if you sleep better after having evened the score for your ineptitude with that mean old Delphi Troll, I am a kind heart and happy to let you sleep easier. Good night Nocti. Sweet Dreams.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 02, 2008, 09:06:33 AM
Are you still here? You don't seem to be able to toddle off whether you have my agreement for you to do so or whether you insist you can do it all by yourself :LMAO:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 02, 2008, 09:21:55 AM
Its OK Nocti, don't get antsy.
I just thought of something else to help you out in discussions and debates.

Doing the modesty thing as mentioned is not good in big doses. What is even worse is the "I am <self-depreciating value> but you are even worse than me" type argument. It does not help your argument. The reason is firstly if the person proves he is not what you represent him as being or cast a shadow of doubt on it, your "modesty" has left you with that value (whether it be useless, pathetic, ugly or whatever). Secondly and most importantly, it is "false modesty" and seen but all as such. We know and I know you will that this form of irritating verbal bullshit was used by a wanker by the name of Socrates thousands of years ago in Ancient Greece.  He used to make the same sort of claim "I know nothing, but in knowing nothing at least know more than you who purports to know something". What did that wally get for his trouble? A cupful of hemlock and a shortened lifespan.
The reason is they knew this was false modesty then and that using it made the person using it look like a wanker. Now true, we won't feed you hemlock but we won't take your points seriously either. If you want that, cut the false modesty.

Anyhow I hope that helps.  :angel:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 02, 2008, 09:44:29 AM
Wow, a history lesson from Sir_Les. I am sure I must be greatly honoured :evillaugh:

Thank you for this awfully valuable information, Sir_Les. You ought to tell the scholars who have trouble pinning things down about Socrates' life because the main records left behind were by his students and other contemporaries rather than he himself.

So Socrates died early because of false modesty, did he :o I thought it was because he refused to escape when he had the chance, Sir_Les :eyebrows:

Well, nobody could accuse you of any kind of modesty, false or otherwise, Sir_Les :LMAO:

Are you toddling off yet? I cannot tell whether you are toddling off or staggering around drunk on your own deluded ego :lolhit:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: thepeaguy on August 02, 2008, 09:55:15 AM


Probably a lot of truth in what you say. I take my hat off to Nocturnalist. I am a good baiter but he is a master baiter  :lol:

I'm the lowest of the low.

Typical Sir Les ploy, if you can't beat 'em, suck up to them.

Sir Les is very much like the character his name portrays. He is a very creepy piece of shit. On the internet he is tough bastard, a rottewhieler, a jerk, a protector of innocents  ::) but in real life a snivelling, sad man, terrified of his own shadow.

Bob sounds like an uber-fuckwit. I wait for the unveiling. I am betting Bob for all his colourful rhetorical and claims of knowing me...he is just a sad little troll looking for an audience to love him.

Sir Les, you my friend  ::)  are cruelly depriving a village somewhere of an idiot. There are several people in this world that I find unbearably obnoxious, and you are all of them (aliases included), creep.

What you lack in intelligence, you more than surely make up for with your stupidity and ignorance.

:hahaha:
sad little man  ::) I don't like  you.  :finger:

Oh noes, it's bisexual fuckwit and her lame posse from Gestalt.

I wouldn't touch her site with a barge pole.  :yawn:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on August 02, 2008, 10:02:03 AM
huh???  ???

Bisexual, is that thrown in as a insult?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: thepeaguy on August 02, 2008, 10:03:21 AM
huh???  ???

Bisexual, is that thrown in as a insult?

I don't know if she's a carpet-muncher, a cocksocker or both. Guesswork.

Ah, Bob, eh? Apt name for an internet tough guy.  :yawn:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: thepeaguy on August 02, 2008, 10:10:29 AM
C'mon Bob, let's play. I'm getting bored here.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 02, 2008, 10:14:32 AM

Well, nobody could accuse you of any kind of modesty, false or otherwise, Sir_Les :LMAO:

Are you toddling off yet? I cannot tell whether you are toddling off or staggering around drunk on your own deluded ego :lolhit:

See the problem here don't we Nocturnalist You are saying I am not modest and drunk on my own ego which kinda contradicts your inferences of me having a thin-skin. Think about it.
Whilst you are at it, claiming I have a thin skin, and are therefore fragile and easily upset, would make me less likely to be a bully in respect to TheZach, whom you seem to be wanting to stand up for (despite protestations to the contrary).

It is bad enough that you have a bad enough time putting me in my place, but worse still watching you shoot out your own arguments. You tell us you have a great IQ. You told me you fought this rascally Delphi troll. C'mon mate. Show us something a little more in line with your reputation. You are a Lion, Nocti, give us a growl. Show us your fighting spirit and your boasted IQ.

 :kitten:

(Nocti the Lion battles the ball troll)

Sigh!

It really is useless isn't it mate. You should get some tips off your partner Tweedle-Dee Bob. He had the sense to at least infer I was picking on "weaker" people (though his framing it around the basis of TheZach being "weaker" because he was 22 was stupid). I am embarrassed for you mate. Truly.  :-[
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: thepeaguy on August 02, 2008, 10:15:51 AM
If TheZach can't handle criticism, then he is a weak pussy in my book.

At least Les has a pair of hairy bollocks.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 02, 2008, 10:31:56 AM
When asked by Odeon early in this thread if Sir_Les knows Zach...

Yeah I know him. He is 22 going on 8. He is a little punk. He needs an arse-kicking and my size 10s need a workout.

Sir_Les then produces the links to a load of posts as proof that he knows Zach. You can see the post on the first page of this thread, I'm fine with him giving posts as evidence that he knows somebody online from their posts.

However, currently on Gestalt he is hypocritically insisting that people cannot possibly know him (the great Sir_Les) by the posts he himself makes.

He currently has a little 'disclaimer' in his signature on all his posts at Gestalt which includes the line...
Quote
This single post nor a handful of posts in isolation is not going to allow you to know me (the author) and it is no slight on intellect to suggest so. It is like "knowing" what it is to be an orphan after reading "Oliver Twist"

It is his way of whining that I cannot have a go at him because I cannot actually know what poor Diddums realy is like just from his posts.

So which way is it, Sir_Les... since you can't seem to pull yourself away from this your thread. Can somebody know enough about a person from posts to make a judgement on their character or, if I cannot in your case, how can you make judgements about Zach or myself based merely upon our posts?

Do you imagine you have powers of insight that mere mortals do not have, perhaps? :eyebrows:

You seem to have one standard for yourself and a different standard for other's Sir_Les. Or are you simply very fond of dancing the twist? :LMAO:

I think Sir_Les cannot help but project his own character on others as a way of disowning the pathetic character he is in real life. :eyelash:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: thepeaguy on August 02, 2008, 10:33:31 AM
How's he pathetic, Batman?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 02, 2008, 10:34:34 AM
At least Les has a pair of hairy bollocks.

Have you seen them? :LMAO:

Personally I wouldn't wish to be so sure about Sir_Les' undercarriage. :lol:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 02, 2008, 10:36:28 AM
When asked by Odeon early in this thread if Sir_Les knows Zach...

Yeah I know him. He is 22 going on 8. He is a little punk. He needs an arse-kicking and my size 10s need a workout.

Sir_Les then produces the links to a load of posts as proof that he knows Zach. You can see the post on the first page of this thread, I'm fine with him giving posts as evidence that he knows somebody online from their posts.

However, currently on Gestalt he is hypocritically insisting that people cannot possibly know him (the great Sir_Les) by the posts he himself makes.

He currently has a little 'disclaimer' in his signature on all his posts at Gestalt which includes the line...
Quote
This single post nor a handful of posts in isolation is not going to allow you to know me (the author) and it is no slight on intellect to suggest so. It is like "knowing" what it is to be an orphan after reading "Oliver Twist"

It is his way of whining that I cannot have a go at him because I cannot actually know what poor Diddums realy is like just from his posts.

So which way is it, Sir_Les... since you can't seem to pull yourself away from this your thread. Can somebody know enough about a person from posts to make a judgement on their character or, if I cannot in your case, how can you make judgements about Zach or myself based merely upon our posts?

Do you imagine you have powers of insight that mere mortals do not have, perhaps? :eyebrows:

You seem to have one standard for yourself and a different standard for other's Sir_Les. Or are you simply very fond of dancing the twist? :LMAO:

I think Sir_Les cannot help but project his own character on others as a way of disowning the pathetic character he is in real life. :eyelash:


Again with the projection and also an assumption I am trying to figure you out. I'm not. I think you are an ass and I have said that all along. I don't care enough to “find the real you”.
I think, Nocturnalist, you ought to rename yourself “Projectionist”. You make me laugh.  :lol:


Sorry you were moaning something coherent?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: thepeaguy on August 02, 2008, 10:37:28 AM

Have you seen them? :LMAO:


Obviously, you have trouble with metaphors, being an autistic spaz and all.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 02, 2008, 10:40:29 AM
Sorry you were moaning something coherent?

It is obvious to me from your posts that you project yourself upon people and think they are just like you. This is the reason you cannot understand when I am being honest... and you think people are being disrespectful of you when they are not. I think you may have a touch of NPD, seriously :)
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: thepeaguy on August 02, 2008, 10:41:08 AM
Sorry you were moaning something coherent?

It is obvious to me from your posts that you project yourself upon people and think they are just like you. This is the reason you cannot understand when I am being honest... and you think people are being disrespectful of you when they are not. I think you may have a touch of NPD, seriously :)

It's obvious to me that Gotham City needs a new Batman -- this one talks out of his arse a lot.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 02, 2008, 10:41:26 AM
Have you seen them? :LMAO:
Obviously, you have trouble with metaphors, being an autistic spaz and all.

Nah, I'm just laughing at you ;D
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 02, 2008, 10:42:23 AM
Now who's projecting?  :lol:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: thepeaguy on August 02, 2008, 10:43:48 AM
Have you seen them? :LMAO:
Obviously, you have trouble with metaphors, being an autistic spaz and all.

Nah, I'm just laughing at you ;D

That's because I am funny, and you fail at it, Sophcockfist underling.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 02, 2008, 10:47:54 AM
Nah, I'm just laughing at you ;D
That's because I am funny, and you fail at it, Sophcockfist underling.

As Sir_Les said of her... she's more the man than I am... so I'm quite content to be her underling :green:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: thepeaguy on August 02, 2008, 10:57:33 AM
Nah, I'm just laughing at you ;D
That's because I am funny, and you fail at it, Sophcockfist underling.

As Sir_Les said of her... she's more the man than I am... so I'm quite content to be her underling :green:

Well, she is a butch lezzer. What're you her fuck bud?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 02, 2008, 10:58:00 AM
Nah, I'm just laughing at you ;D
That's because I am funny, and you fail at it, Sophcockfist underling.

As Sir_Les said of her... she's more the man than I am... so I'm quite content to be her underling :green:

 :agreed: SELF- :pwned:  :wanker:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 02, 2008, 12:13:17 PM
:agreed: SELF- :pwned:  :wanker:

Have you lost the faculty of language there? :eyebrows:

I have no problems whatsoever if I am to be called Sophist's underling by somebody like IntensitySquared's Patron or you. She is a friend of mine and I don't feel in the least bit threatened by it. I was simply referencing some of the words you PMed to me, Sir_Les. Am I supposed to be embarrassed about your words? Projection again perhaps... I can understand why you'd be ashamed of those words :green:

I do not consider myself a 'man'. It is not a word I am comfortable using of myself. So long as Sophist doesn't find it offensive, as far as maturity of attitude is concerned, it may very well be true to say she is more of a 'man' than I am. I do not consider myself to be a 'man'. Male, but not a 'man'. I would imagine lots of people, both male and female, are more of a 'man' then I am.

So, are you going to be 'man' enough to answer what I earlier asked you about knowing people by their posts, or continue to side step it like the coward you are? :green:

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When asked by Odeon early in this thread if Sir_Les knows Zach...

Yeah I know him. He is 22 going on 8. He is a little punk. He needs an arse-kicking and my size 10s need a workout.

Sir_Les then produces the links to a load of posts as proof that he knows Zach. You can see the post on the first page of this thread, I'm fine with him giving posts as evidence that he knows somebody online from their posts.

However, currently on Gestalt he is hypocritically insisting that people cannot possibly know him (the great Sir_Les) by the posts he himself makes.

He currently has a little 'disclaimer' in his signature on all his posts at Gestalt which includes the line...
Quote
This single post nor a handful of posts in isolation is not going to allow you to know me (the author) and it is no slight on intellect to suggest so. It is like "knowing" what it is to be an orphan after reading "Oliver Twist"

It is his way of whining that I cannot have a go at him because I cannot actually know what poor Diddums realy is like just from his posts.

So which way is it, Sir_Les... since you can't seem to pull yourself away from this your thread. Can somebody know enough about a person from posts to make a judgement on their character or, if I cannot in your case, how can you make judgements about Zach or myself based merely upon our posts?

Do you imagine you have powers of insight that mere mortals do not have, perhaps? :eyebrows:

You seem to have one standard for yourself and a different standard for other's Sir_Les. Or are you simply very fond of dancing the twist? :LMAO:

I think Sir_Les cannot help but project his own character on others as a way of disowning the pathetic character he is in real life. :eyelash:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Pyraxis on August 02, 2008, 12:35:58 PM
I do not consider myself a 'man'. It is not a word I am comfortable using of myself. So long as Sophist doesn't find it offensive, as far as maturity of attitude is concerned, it may very well be true to say she is more of a 'man' than I am. I do not consider myself to be a 'man'. Male, but not a 'man'. I would imagine lots of people, both male and female, are more of a 'man' then I am.

 :plus: for defying stereotypes
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 02, 2008, 12:39:28 PM
Well, she is a butch lezzer. What're you her fuck bud?

Is that you being funny? :green:

The only thing you seem to be impressed with are Sir_Les' allegedly hairy stones and what passes for your own wit. You seem very easilly impressed with both yourself and him... mind you I suppose its necessary to be easilly impressed if the pair of you are to appreciate one another :evillaugh:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on August 02, 2008, 12:59:20 PM
Mmmmmmm......... pie...........  :drool:

Can I have some, I'm hungry.
Sorry to disappoint Odeon.  :)

For having pie? Not if you give me some. ;D
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on August 02, 2008, 03:49:54 PM
Nah, I'm just laughing at you ;D
That's because I am funny, and you fail at it, Sophcockfist underling.

As Sir_Les said of her... she's more the man than I am... so I'm quite content to be her underling :green:

Well, she is a butch lezzer. What're you her fuck bud?

C'mon peaguy, honestly, this is beneath you. If you posted your thoughts on Sir Les's turf, his mates would tear you apart, and he would be right in there supporting them. He behaves like a nasty piece of shit. His disclaimer on the base of his posts at Gestalt is put there in an attempt to make   excuses for his very nasty behavior towards other people on the spectrum. He does the same at AFF, he portrays himself as Grumpy, another disclaimer for his behavior in that forum.
He behaves badly, then puts up disclaimers trying make excuses for himself.

I read that you volunteer in a charity shop to raise funds for hospices.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on August 02, 2008, 04:03:05 PM
If TheZach can't handle criticism, then he is a weak pussy in my book.

At least Les has a pair of hairy bollocks.

If you had read through the sites linked by Sir Les, you would see that this thread is all about Sir Les's hurt feelings, after TheZach criticized him and made him feel foolish on AFF.

Sir Les thinks he needs disclaimers to make up for his behaviour and let everyone know that despite his behaviour we really need to feel sorry for him. In truth, despite his proclamations of being a jerk, a tough bastard, a protector of innocents,  ::) ::) ::) he really is a very sad lonely little man who is hurting.

Give up on the tough guy image Sir Les, it doesn't suit you, and people can see right through it.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on August 02, 2008, 04:06:35 PM
Are you going to tell us who you are and why you are on a mission against Sir Les?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on August 02, 2008, 04:18:12 PM
Are you going to tell us who you are and why you are on a mission against Sir Les?

He makes a habit of following certain people around the net with the intention of harassing them.

I'm bob!  :)
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on August 02, 2008, 04:22:33 PM
Are you going to tell us who you are and why you are on a mission against Sir Les?

He makes a habit of following certain people around the net with the intention of harassing them.

I'm bob!  :)

So you thought you'd *expose* him here? Seems to me you need to try harder, then. Are you sure you aren't somebody he pwned at AFF (etc) trying to even the score?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The Member Formerly Known As Sophist on August 02, 2008, 05:14:24 PM
***sips beer, still watching***
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on August 02, 2008, 05:58:15 PM
Are you going to tell us who you are and why you are on a mission against Sir Les?

He makes a habit of following certain people around the net with the intention of harassing them.

I'm bob!  :)

So you thought you'd *expose* him here? Seems to me you need to try harder, then. Are you sure you aren't somebody he pwned at AFF (etc) trying to even the score?

Do you mean, expose him as for being a weak minded fool, he does that quite nicely on his own. What does pwned mean? And who did Les pwn at AFF? (etc)?

Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 02, 2008, 06:12:25 PM
Firstly, Nortunalist, or the closet intellect (with emphasis on the closet - come out like the rest of your nancy pals), if you are trying to cut me with your inane drivel, then you better sharpen your scissors, because up until now your attempts have been as good as blunt chainsaw ripping through an elm. What is this about Delphi I hear? A WOMEN'S SITE? And you were scared of a troll there? AND YOU BEING A MAN? Fuck, next thing we know you'll be bragging how you took on Helen Reddy in a pissing contest and you barely beat her. And what is even weirder about this whole thing is - wait for it - I personally couldn't give a shit about anything you've said to me or anyone else. You obviously have a lonely life perusing poxy shites.. er sites like Gestalt and Delphi, and then trying to flame someone here who goesn't give a flying fuck about you in the slightest. Now why don't you crawl back into that pile of overcoats in your closet like a good little drama queen and leave the argument to those of us that give a shit.

Secondly, if the rabid 'movement' (couldn't think of a more apt term, given they are full of shit) keeps on with their crap, we may have to flush them down the sewer with the rest of the shit. Either that or use them as compost, or dynamic lifter.....  :violin: :wanker:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 02, 2008, 06:31:40 PM
I personally couldn't give a shit about anything you've said to me or anyone else.

You must be quite constipated if passing a stool is more difficult that the sad excuses of replies you've replied with so far. :razz: Why are you even bothering if you feel this way? If its not what I have said, then do you have designs on something else about me? :emb:

You seem obsessed about closets for some reason. Is that something to do with Water Closets... you must be in a desparate state by now :bigcry: Have you considered consulting a doctor? :smarty:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The Member Formerly Known As Sophist on August 02, 2008, 07:00:14 PM
Quote from: The_Chosen_One
You obviously have a lonely life perusing poxy shites.. er sites like Gestalt and Delphi, and then trying to flame someone here who goesn't give a flying fuck about you in the slightest. Now why don't you crawl back into that pile of overcoats in your closet like a good little drama queen and leave the argument to those of us that give a shit.

Do you normally talk about things you don't know anything about? You insult Gestalt, all the while admitting you've never even been there. Tongue runneth before Thought thinketh, eh? :eyelash: You also assume you know Noc without knowing him. --Oh no wait, I'm sorry, I forgot: the purpose of I2's Main Event subforum is to place Insult & Profanity before Reason... my bad, sorry, go back to what you were doing. Because who knows, if you get enough practice at it you could always get onto Jerry Springer or something, the apex of home entertainment and the greatest aspiration of many a troglodyte. --After all, who wants to see a World Championship Chess match when you could watch the WWF? Finesse, skill? What's that to a good folding chair across the back and a razor in the hand? Plus men in funny colored tights... that just screams "refinement".  ::)

--As an aside, just out of sheer contempt, we've tried to make Gestalt NOTHING like WP btw, 'cause I saw what WP was and is today and know that's not what I want Gestalt to be. Gestalt isn't a perfect site and it isn't for everybody (obviously), but then what site is? I just like to think it fills a niche that perhaps other forums don't, just like I2 does.

AND it's a site which, believe it or not, Noc, Sir Les, AND Zach all somehow manage to post on without ripping each other to shreds-- beyond the obvious problems over Sir Les' initial posts that somewhat snowballed from there; and I2 has helped to get some of that out in the open I think. But it's not a large site, which means you can't just easily ignore people like you can on sites like WP due to sheer volume.

Anyways, sorry for not continuing to throw snarky insulting inuendos into my post. I started off so strong but then fizzled out talking about things like Sense and Compassion. My sincerest apologies.

Anywho...  ***goes back to drinking beer and having some pie***

***hands a piece of pie to bob***

NOTE: I'll be setting up a cyber BBQ and buffet table later on if this party's still going.  :green:   Food, friends (-ish), and beer: what could be better? I mean, except for adding in sex, but I'll leave that for the mature forum...
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 02, 2008, 07:29:07 PM
If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen, luv. Or did Germaine Greer happen to bar you from the kitchen when it was decided your cooking was as good as your debating? If you want to stand up for crap like them go ahead, but I reserve my right to call them poxy drivel infested shit, even if I haven't tainted my screen by visiting them. It really makes me wonder about all these poxy liberationist pseudo-intellectuals who got off on listening to 'I am woman' (which was actually written by a bloke... Ha Ha) and reading such boring bullshit like 'The Female Eunuch'. But then again, the whole movement post Steinem was a bit of a joke. I mean, all the hangers on that masquerade as intellectuals and boast about IQs int their 130s and 140s and hold MENSA certificates while supporting such claptrap as was sputed by these dickwads really makes me wonder whether they should have been aborted. But given there aren't any tests during pregnancy for whether a person is going to become a real fuckwit in later life means that we had to put up with these morons infecting the population and spreading their vile hatred of anything that they couldn't be themselves.

In case you have forgotten, luv, this is a forum where someone can say what they fucking well like; no matter what. And I happen to think that Sir Les is right in his opinions on not only Zach's bullshit behaviour, but also in his criticsim of Nocturnalist. As I said, you can stick up for these imbeciles all you want, and those other pathetic poor excuses for sites. But remeber this - when trying to justify it to a person like me who couldn't give a shit 2 ways from Sunday, all your doing is wanking yourself to oblibvion. So tell your story to the brick wall that cares.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The Member Formerly Known As Sophist on August 02, 2008, 07:38:33 PM
So I take it you're skipping the BBQ then?  :zoinks:

Quote from: The Chosen One
In case you have forgotten, luv, this is a forum where someone can say what they fucking well like; no matter what.

I know. But couldn't you say it better??  :eyebrows:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 02, 2008, 07:43:53 PM
...morons infecting the population and spreading their vile hatred of anything that they couldn't be themselves.

 :hahaha:

In case you have forgotten, luv, this is a forum where someone can say what they fucking well like; no matter what.

Well apart from you and your chums you appear to object to anybody else saying what they like :explode: Anybody would think you feel easily threatened.

So since you are disinterested in what we have to say, and it would be far from you to criticise somebody for saying what they like here, why do you persist in posting to this thread and criticising people for saying what they like? :razz:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 02, 2008, 08:16:42 PM
...morons infecting the population and spreading their vile hatred of anything that they couldn't be themselves.

 :hahaha:

In case you have forgotten, luv, this is a forum where someone can say what they fucking well like; no matter what.

Well apart from you and your chums you appear to object to anybody else saying what they like :explode: Anybody would think you feel easily threatened.

So since you are disinterested in what we have to say, and it would be far from you to criticise somebody for saying what they like here, why do you persist in posting to this thread and criticising people for saying what they like? :razz:

Firstly, you poor excuse for a homesick abortion, I was referring to people such as yourself. Try taking a look in the mirror next time before you bother to type - you'll find a prehistoric mongoloid retard looking back.

Secondly, I haven't yet seen anything in your posts that would vaguely resemble intelligence, humour or even fact. Now let's clarify something for the braindead out there. Sir Les offered help to the Zach because this retard Timelord was getting stuck into him, and Timelord and this other 'tard tried to get Zach committed. Then the T-shirt saga happened, which to my knowledge was blown out of all proportion and could have been easily fixed by him ignoring the hollow threat and producing them anyway. The message on the shirt was not breach of copyright, because it was a political statement voicing an opinion. It was his design. But he cracked the shits when help was offered, and Sir Les tried to get things sorted out. Then you obviously decided to weigh in and stick your nose in where it wasn't wanted, and fucked the whole thing up. Now was that the smart thing to do? Was that the right thing to do? Was that something that Plato would have done? Fucked if I know, but you obviously did it. And now you are carrying on like the drama queen you portray and expect everyone to play your little game. Well sunshine, obviously you forgot your meds this morning, because things don't work that way here. Now fuck off to your little slice of heaven while we think up some even nastier little things we can do to you.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 02, 2008, 08:56:15 PM
:agreed: SELF- :pwned:  :wanker:

Have you lost the faculty of language there? :eyebrows:

I have no problems whatsoever if I am to be called Sophist's underling by somebody like IntensitySquared's Patron or you. She is a friend of mine and I don't feel in the least bit threatened by it. I was simply referencing some of the words you PMed to me, Sir_Les. Am I supposed to be embarrassed about your words? Projection again perhaps... I can understand why you'd be ashamed of those words :green:

I do not consider myself a 'man'. It is not a word I am comfortable using of myself. So long as Sophist doesn't find it offensive, as far as maturity of attitude is concerned, it may very well be true to say she is more of a 'man' than I am. I do not consider myself to be a 'man'. Male, but not a 'man'. I would imagine lots of people, both male and female, are more of a 'man' then I am.

So, are you going to be 'man' enough to answer what I earlier asked you about knowing people by their posts, or continue to side step it like the coward you are? :green:

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When asked by Odeon early in this thread if Sir_Les knows Zach...

Yeah I know him. He is 22 going on 8. He is a little punk. He needs an arse-kicking and my size 10s need a workout.

Sir_Les then produces the links to a load of posts as proof that he knows Zach. You can see the post on the first page of this thread, I'm fine with him giving posts as evidence that he knows somebody online from their posts.

However, currently on Gestalt he is hypocritically insisting that people cannot possibly know him (the great Sir_Les) by the posts he himself makes.

He currently has a little 'disclaimer' in his signature on all his posts at Gestalt which includes the line...
Quote
This single post nor a handful of posts in isolation is not going to allow you to know me (the author) and it is no slight on intellect to suggest so. It is like "knowing" what it is to be an orphan after reading "Oliver Twist"

It is his way of whining that I cannot have a go at him because I cannot actually know what poor Diddums realy is like just from his posts.

So which way is it, Sir_Les... since you can't seem to pull yourself away from this your thread. Can somebody know enough about a person from posts to make a judgement on their character or, if I cannot in your case, how can you make judgements about Zach or myself based merely upon our posts?

Do you imagine you have powers of insight that mere mortals do not have, perhaps? :eyebrows:

You seem to have one standard for yourself and a different standard for other's Sir_Les. Or are you simply very fond of dancing the twist? :LMAO:

I think Sir_Les cannot help but project his own character on others as a way of disowning the pathetic character he is in real life. :eyelash:

WTF? Still going strong hey Nocturnalist?
So what have you got?
Ah.......Semantics.
I like this better Nocti. Unlike the Tough Guy act, the modesty and false modesty and the whining....this has a lot more potential of putting me on the back foot and showing me to be dishonest or vague or stupid or whatever you are trying to do.
So I have said you don't "know" me and Odeon said "Do you "know" Zach"? My indications to show I "know" Zach must therefore conflict with telling you that you can not "know" me.
Getting better Nocti. Well Done! Before you start hi-fiving yourself and all, it still fails. It was better though.

You are using a word meant in a generalised way to mean the word in a specific way. It makes the argument not cogent. It is a logical flaw. You have the IQ to know that. I certainly don't have a monster IQ like yours yet you make such flaws.

Nocti even if you can scrap into MENSA, don't. I can see Callaway being able to more than hold her own with smart people in arguments there but it will be like walking into a room full of Russwords for you I feel.

BY the way I don't feel at all bad by saying that "Sophist is twice the man that you are". The context was very clearly that Sophist was apoloising for you and I thought that was something that you would have done if you were a man. That you didn't doesn't distress me it just gives me the impression you are not much of a man, and Sophist who is not a man is moreso than you because of her actions. Do you need me to break it down for you again into easier bite sized chunks for your IQ to wrap itself around?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 02, 2008, 09:02:11 PM
Sir Les offered help to the Zach because this retard Timelord was getting stuck into him, and Timelord and this other 'tard tried to get Zach committed. Then the T-shirt saga happened, which to my knowledge was blown out of all proportion and could have been easily fixed by him ignoring the hollow threat and producing them anyway. The message on the shirt was not breach of copyright, because it was a political statement voicing an opinion. It was his design. But he cracked the shits when help was offered, and Sir Les tried to get things sorted out.

I have seen Sir_Les post offering to write a letter to help Zach at AFF. Zach was obviously concerned because he saw an implicit threat in the offer that the letter would be abusive and Zach said he didn't want that. This is in the links Sir_Les posted at the start of this thread as his proof that he knows Zach and the reason for the axe he feels he must grind. Seems to me that Sir_Les is very sensitive to what he views as insufficient respect shown to him. Does this give Sir_Les the right to Troll after Zach? No. I think Sir_Les may be well advised to seek psychiatric counselling.

I personally think Zach should not have named Sir_Les in his blog, just as much as I think Sir_Les should not try bullying Zach simply because he feels slighted.

It seems it is not just Zach. A number of others appear to consider themselves to have been bullied or trolled by Sir_Les under that and two other names, I have since discovered. It is a repeating pattern similar to many Trolls.

Then you obviously decided to weigh in and stick your nose in where it wasn't wanted, and fucked the whole thing up. Now was that the smart thing to do? Was that the right thing to do?

Sir_Les should not have entered another Forum with the express intention to Troll a member of that forum. Zach has behaved himself well on Gestalt and I see it as my duty to him and to the forum to prevent an unprovoked (on Gestalt) attack on him. How arrogant are you people who think it right to go marching into other fora... and then whine when you are countered. Sir_Les even posted a link in this very thread to the post where he insulted Zach so that members of I2could sign up to watch the sport on Gestalt... at least one I2 member did exactly that.

I am one of the Admin at Gestalt. I was not sticking my nose into other people's business, it was Sir_Les who intruded himself. I PMed Sir_Les and he didn't think I was respectful enough to him. I advised him, as I would anybody out of duty, of the correct way to deal with the matter if he thought an Admin had been untoward or biased against him. Confident that I had not been those things, I went so far as to say that I would resign as an Admin if such a complaint found that I had been in that PM. Sir_Les made two complaints, first to the Forum Host and then to the Admins collectively about one PM I sent to him telling him not to hound Zach. This isn't because I favour Zach, but what I would do if ANY member of the forum appeared to be picked on by a possible Troll.

Was that the smart thing to do? I feel it was my duty as an Admin under the rules of that forum. Smartness or otherwise do not come into it.

Was it the right thing to do? Yes. I believe it was.

Now fuck off to your little slice of heaven while we think up some even nastier little things we can do to you.

Oh, give it your best shot.  :LMAO:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 02, 2008, 09:21:38 PM
Nocturnalist: Go tell it to the mountain. Admin of a site, big fucking deal. You are doing exactly the same thing here, where there are no admins like yourself, as you claim Sir Les did on your poxy little site. So don't start the high and mighty tough guy bullshit around here, boy-o, cos it just ain't gonna wash. To me, Zach is nothing but a pissweak cowardly sook, and if he can't take a little help and contructive criticsm from someone who attempted to give a shit about him at first, then maybe he should have internet privileges taken off him; seeing as he seems like too much of a baby to cope. And while we are at it, you accuse Sir Les of trolling your pathetic little kingdom.... Why bother? If he wanted to troll you, he would have done a nastier fucking job of it had he wished, but checking on a member's whereabouts so he could offer advice is hardly 'trolling'. Besides, who died and left you in charge of the internet? If you want to cane people on your site, fine; just don't expect us to give a flying fuck about you here, dickhead.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 02, 2008, 09:23:42 PM
So I have said you don't "know" me and Odeon said "Do you "know" Zach"? My indications to show I "know" Zach must therefore conflict with telling you that you can not "know" me.
Getting better Nocti. Well Done! Before you start hi-fiving yourself and all, it still fails. It was better though.

You are using a word meant in a generalised way to mean the word in a specific way.

And there I was thinking you were using the word 'know' to indicate you know Zach from his posts in your post at the start of this thread... and are using the word 'know' in your disclaimer to indicate that I cannot possibly know you from your posts.

Your reply to this is just a big bluff... criticising my logic in quoting your word choice. And then completely side-stepping it without giving any answer whatsoever.

Hey, fancy footwork, Sir_Les. Phoney but fancy. :clap:

OK, you can generally know Zach from his posts but I cannot generally know you from your posts. I did not take that to mean you specifically knew Zach from his posts or I specifically knew you from yours ::) And I certainly did not take it to mean that you sexually knew Zach from his posts and I could sexually know you from your posts :LMAO:

So, are you going to make a straight rather than slippery reply?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 02, 2008, 09:27:29 PM
To me, Zach is nothing but a pissweak cowardly sook...

To me, Sir_Les is a cowardly bully boy with an overblown need for grovelling respect. :hahaha:

To me, The_Chosen_One is also a coward who can only express himself in a sort of impotent rage. :hahaha: I'm still waiting for your best shot :emb:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on August 02, 2008, 09:31:29 PM
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Now let's clarify something for the braindead out there. Sir Les offered help to the Zach because this retard Timelord was getting stuck into him, and Timelord and this other 'tard tried to get Zach committed.
:lies: ::) ::)

Les has been telling you lies oh chosen one.

#
Timelord
Jun 25, 2008 at 06:44:57
#2

I’ve blogged, Zach. Hope it’s what you wanted and not too negative. If I have time I’ll email Zazzle as well.

Don’t take your website down on account of certainly Rossco - he’s a cheap bully and always has been. The fact that he is tolerated and actually liked at AFF says a lot about the direction that site is taking now.

There are a number of people who insist that we fit in with the neurotypical world. No one has the right to insist on that. You have the right to be you. An ASD person, and proud to be so as well! There’s nothing wrong with it. Keep punching, Zach! Don’t let the bullies win!

Taken from one of Les's links. Timelord posting to TheZach,.

I notice Les didn't make any effort to correct this discrepancy in your post Chosen.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 02, 2008, 09:35:22 PM
And to me, Nocturnalist is a failure pretending that he has some respect. Unfortunately for him, he has none in either real life or on the net. The only 'respect' he gets is stroking his morning wood upon waking. God knows, there isn't much left for him in his pathetic existence. Maybe he should visit his GP for a dose of barbiturates and a good Wiltshire knife - that way he could end all our misery in one session.

Go running for the shelter of your mother's little helper, just remember not to leave too big a stain on the living room rug, pet.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Pyraxis on August 02, 2008, 09:36:44 PM
Ah, the delightful smell of Intensity.

 :plus: all around.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 02, 2008, 09:38:49 PM
And to me, Nocturnalist is a failure pretending that he has some respect. Unfortunately for him, he has none in either real life or on the net. The only 'respect' he gets is stroking his morning wood upon waking. God knows, there isn't much left for him in his pathetic existence. Maybe he should visit his GP for a dose of barbiturates and a good Wiltshire knife - that way he could end all our misery in one session.

Go running for the shelter of your mother's little helper, just remember not to leave too big a stain on the living room rug, pet.

Have you given me your best shot yet?

Now fuck off to your little slice of heaven while we think up some even nastier little things we can do to you.

I just kind of feel I'm still waiting for this, or is it really the case that you are as slow as you appear to be :LMAO:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 02, 2008, 09:41:44 PM
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Now let's clarify something for the braindead out there. Sir Les offered help to the Zach because this retard Timelord was getting stuck into him, and Timelord and this other 'tard tried to get Zach committed.
:lies: ::) ::)

Les has been telling you lies oh chosen one.

#
Timelord
Jun 25, 2008 at 06:44:57
#2

I’ve blogged, Zach. Hope it’s what you wanted and not too negative. If I have time I’ll email Zazzle as well.

Don’t take your website down on account of certainly Rossco - he’s a cheap bully and always has been. The fact that he is tolerated and actually liked at AFF says a lot about the direction that site is taking now.

There are a number of people who insist that we fit in with the neurotypical world. No one has the right to insist on that. You have the right to be you. An ASD person, and proud to be so as well! There’s nothing wrong with it. Keep punching, Zach! Don’t let the bullies win!

Taken from one of Les's links. Timelord posting to TheZach,.

I notice Les didn't make any effort to correct this discrepancy in your post Chosen.


Bullshit. What was posted on AFF differs from your made up blog, and I have it from a reliable source (tenaciouscj) that What Timelord and this other dude were up to is fact. Also, Sir Les (rossco) explained it all to tenaciouscj who passed it on to me (don't start with this heresay shit, because it ain't gonna work - I believe them) and Zach is full of shit. If he wants to parade around like a ducking prima-donna, and have fuckwits like you kissing his arse and sucking his dick, then he can have you. Meanwhile, Sir Les and I will feel safe in the knowledge of who really is right. And it ain't you.

Oh, and Crocturdnalist, no, I haven't started yet. I'm only getting warmed up. You, however, are fading into obscurity like the pissweak little whining prat you are. Did your dad ever smack you for givbing him the shits while he was checking the form guide? No? Oh, that's right, you fairies don't believe in discipline such as corporal punishment. Maybe a good clip around the ear-hole would have knocked some sense into that addled brain of yours. But then again, I guess maybe that might not even work, given that we'd have trouble finding a brain inside that cavernous skull of yours.

Just remember, Nocti ol' geezer; suicide is painless, as Loudon Wainwright III sang. And nothing cuts better than a Wiltshire.....
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on August 02, 2008, 09:49:43 PM
Yeah I know him. He is 22 going on 8. He is a little punk. He needs an arse-kicking and my size 10s need a workout.

This was an AFF thread where he got all butthurt. I still do not know what he was saying I did or why I am the cause of him having to pull his site down.

http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=13606&page=1

THis is what he put on his blog about me:

http://www.aspieweb.net/what-you-can-do-and-thanks/

This is his sole contribution to Zomgaspies:

http://www.zomgaspies.com/hey-idiots-t15196.html

Now he is lurking here.




It's not hearsay shit. Taken from aspie web.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 02, 2008, 09:53:21 PM
Who fucking cares, dipshit? The guy is a fuckwit, and deserves whatever he gets. Why you are even bothering to stick up for this loser is beyond even the slightest. If I were you, I'd concentrate more on worrying about your next tax return that focussing on a poor, retarded little gimp like TheZach.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on August 02, 2008, 09:56:28 PM


Bullshit. What was posted on AFF differs from your made up blog, and I have it from a reliable source (tenaciouscj) that What Timelord and this other dude were up to is fact. Also, Sir Les (rossco) explained it all to tenaciouscj who passed it on to me (don't start with this heresay shit, because it ain't gonna work - I believe them) and Zach is full of shit. If he wants to parade around like a ducking prima-donna, and have fuckwits like you kissing his arse and sucking his dick, then he can have you. Meanwhile, Sir Les and I will feel safe in the knowledge of who really is right. And it ain't you.


I'm starting to feel sorry for you, your 'mates' ::) are making a mug out of you.

So you heard it third hand from tenaciousj   ::) tenaciousj is an idiot, completely and utterly. Also hearing third hand through in a typed post on the internet..... where's your proof mate. Your friends are taking you for a ride.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 02, 2008, 10:02:41 PM
...Sir Les (rossco) explained it all to tenaciouscj who passed it on to me (don't start with this heresay shit, because it ain't gonna work - I believe them)...

Yes, lets not take anything on heresay. The trouble is, we're hearing this from you and you don't seem to be the sharpest tool in the box, let alone you seem to be going on something you yourself heard second hand :lol:

I'll take a look at AFF when/if the site is back up.

I'm only getting warmed up.

Well I wish you'd hurry up. Are you slow incarnate? :emb:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 02, 2008, 10:04:46 PM
Who fucking cares, dipshit?

Apparently, you do :poke:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on August 02, 2008, 10:05:35 PM
Is it something about Australians, do they somehow feel a need to stick up of each other, regardless of truth.

Les has more than once told us that he tactless, and insensitive. Who would want him, with his childish antics writing a letter on your behalf when you were facing criminal proceedings.

TheZach embarrassed SirLes by refusing his offer of help on AFF. SirLes felt hurt and he started causing problems by following Zach around and looking  to harrass him on the net. Typical crap from Rossco. Pathetic piece of shit that he is.

This information was in the AFF link rossco provided.

Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on August 02, 2008, 10:15:36 PM





WTF? Still going strong hey Nocturnalist?
So what have you got?
Ah.......Semantics.
I like this better Nocti. Unlike the Tough Guy act, the modesty and false modesty and the whining....this has a lot more potential of putting me on the back foot and showing me to be dishonest or vague or stupid or whatever you are trying to do.


You are doing this quite well on your own shithead.

You are so full of shit...  ::) get a life you wanker. Stop following people about and harassing them on the internet.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on August 02, 2008, 10:24:15 PM

I'll take a look at AFF when/if the site is back up.

Somehow...I wonder if that site will go back up. The site shows error 404, so the computers are linking.

Perhaps Amy and Gareth got sick of all the shit from Sir Les and his mates.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 02, 2008, 10:27:46 PM
No, it means we are less tolerant of fuckwits from the rest of the world who know fuck all about what they are talking about. You braindead fuckers don't own the net, nor do you have the slightest mortgage on intelligence. Take America, for example. A retard like Bush, who has as much in the way of people skills as the average dancing bear in the circus, gets elected by a group of apathetic voters who scream out for 'informed choices'. It isn't rocket science, idiots, you either vote for one party or the other; and if you don't vopte, then you can't complain. Simple. Any 5 year old knows this. And the world does NOT revolve around you, we could survive just as well if you weren't here. But I digress, We Aussies can smell bullshit a mile off, and given that nocti and Bob have been posting a lot of it, you could smell this thread from Antarctica.

(No offense to those not involved in this argument)

Oh, Nocti, is that the size of the dick that you had up your arse after you went to that gay-bar haunt of yours? As I said, you do all your work in the dark, and those back laneways can be pretty black.

Back to Bob (still floating in the ocean..... bob bob bob); You are really wasting your efforts here sticking up for Zach. As I said, why are you bothering? Is he you bum-buddie? Do you cum over your keyboard every time you read one of his posts? Do you and Nocturnalist actually have secret meetings with him and 69 each other til the morning light? Gees, if this constant simpering and brown-nosing to the Great Zach wasn't so pathetic it would rate as the funniest thing since George Carlin. You talk about lies etc. How can anyone blindly sit there and believe bullshit that has been posted on a blog or a site like that aspie shite one you mentioned. Oh, and I'd watch your fucking mouth if I were you, I happen to KNOW tenaciouscj, and she would be more of a reliable sourse than your cocksucking retarded cousin Zach. Actually, I wouldn't be suprised if you ARE the Zach in high heels and fishnets, given that your attempts at playing the tough guy are as effeminate as Condoleeza Rice.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on August 02, 2008, 10:37:04 PM
A couple of points.

I'm not a tough guy, I'm gentle.

Tenaciousj is a twat.

I'm not here to stick up for Zach, he is more than capable of doing this on his own, he doesn't need me.

I'm here because I hate 'the friendly bastard' I hate his guts. He makes my skin crawl. Slimy turd.

 :congrats: You managed to amuse me a couple times in your last post. Well done. :clap: :lol:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 02, 2008, 10:55:07 PM
A couple of points.

I'm not a tough guy, I'm gentle.

Tenaciousj is a twat.

I'm not here to stick up for Zach, he is more than capable of doing this on his own, he doesn't need me.

I'm here because I hate 'the friendly bastard' I hate his guts. He makes my skin crawl. Slimy turd.

 :congrats: You managed to amuse me a couple times in your last post. Well done. :clap: :lol:

So what if you don't like rossco? What di he do to put sand up your vagina anyway? If Zach was MORE than capable, he wouldn't be cowering like a two year old who had shit his nappy and he'd be here defending himself. Obviously he is the pissweak coward we thought he was, and he has you and Nocti there to hold his hands for him, while he blubbers 'look at what the nasty people are saying about me....' For fucks sake, if a turd like Zach is worth all that trouble, then fuck the net and move in with him. Then you may see what a REAL arsehole he is.

And as for that comment about tenaciouscj, lucky we aren't in the same room, or I'd flatten you with a well directed fist. And if you are worried about being threatened, don't; I've beaten tougher wankers than you.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 02, 2008, 11:17:20 PM
So I have said you don't "know" me and Odeon said "Do you "know" Zach"? My indications to show I "know" Zach must therefore conflict with telling you that you can not "know" me.
Getting better Nocti. Well Done! Before you start hi-fiving yourself and all, it still fails. It was better though.

You are using a word meant in a generalised way to mean the word in a specific way.

And there I was thinking you were using the word 'know' to indicate you know Zach from his posts in your post at the start of this thread... and are using the word 'know' in your disclaimer to indicate that I cannot possibly know you from your posts.

Your reply to this is just a big bluff... criticising my logic in quoting your word choice. And then completely side-stepping it without giving any answer whatsoever.

Hey, fancy footwork, Sir_Les. Phoney but fancy. :clap:

OK, you can generally know Zach from his posts but I cannot generally know you from your posts. I did not take that to mean you specifically knew Zach from his posts or I specifically knew you from yours ::) And I certainly did not take it to mean that you sexually knew Zach from his posts and I could sexually know you from your posts :LMAO:

So, are you going to make a straight rather than slippery reply?


Nothing fancy nor slippery about it. I just "wrongly" assumed that an intellectual chap like yourself would not need it explained.
I "know" who Zach is. In what context do I "know" him? I know his username by site. I know what he said, I probably know who he is by site. I can associate him from all the nameless people on the internet that I have had or made no association whatsoever. I even have an opinion of the guy. No a good one but one all the same. I am happy putting my hand up to know him in this context. I do not imagine I know what rattles around in his mind but I can guess and realise my guess is as good as anyone else's.

Now how do you claim to know me? You infer to know my intent, motivations, what psychological disorder I have, whether and why I may project onto you (or anyone) and all manner of other things. This you rarely qualify and often pass it off as fact, "considering you...", "let's face it....", and such precursors to a premise are to entice the person reading to take it as a point of fact that there is no doubt to what is about to follow. Logic flaw.

You know this though Nocti because you are (apparently) smart, so why think I (who is not as smart IQ-wise) or anyone else here would fall for such crap?

So the question now?

"Do you imagine you have powers of insight that mere mortals do not have, perhaps?" No. There was no suggestion of this. You invented a (please say it was deliberate and you are not that stupid) logical flaw in the semantics and then tried to pass it off as meant in the same "capacity" which even Blind Freddy could see.

You seem to have one standard for yourself and a different standard for other's Sir_Les. Or are you simply very fond of dancing the twist? Do I seem? No I don't think so. Try again Nocti. Better than previous attempts though.  :o


Now.

TheZach thing. The Zach came to AFF with claims that Autism Speaks was being a bastard and threatened his shirt printing company he outsourced to remove a line of shirts with some stupid fucking slogan like "Go away Autism Speaks. I can speak for myself". It sounded pretty harmless and I and a number of others on the site thought it was an over-reaction. We had a 15 year old kid from AFF last year being targeted and sued by Autism Speaks so whilst most people did the "Oh horrible for you". I offered to write a snakey letter to them. Like I do from time to time and have for different ill-treatment to people on the spectrum. He got on my case about it. I was kinda flabbergasted as to why. I naturally responded a little angrily that HE comes to the board with a problem asking for help, it is offered and he has a go at the person offering?

Others there started saying "I don't know what to do and I am genuinely concerned you will start having a go at us if we offer". He keeps getting pissed off at me and I keep replying. He writes a shitty article on my on his blog and about how bad AFF suck....whilst still trying to elicit support from us. Timelord comments on a few of them and he holds that up to the folk at AFF as to evidence that others think I am a rascal or troll, or bully, or need a spanking or whatnot. He get summarily laughed at as Timelord was banned from the forum for being a dickhead. (Yeah he was harassing a teenager and yes he had done it before and a good number of other things but "dickhead" kind of covers all bases). Incidentally he is now trying to take legal action against AFF and has tried to set up a ripoff site that was closed down by AFF Admins. As the Chosen One points out a fine fellow.

Now I decide to go out and get support because things have stalled somewhat because irrespective of the alleged merits of the cause, Zach is being......well Zach. I write a letter "a good letter" (In my humble opinion. Would not come close to satisfying Nocti's critique, but I was happy with it). I followed up who had been receptive and pro-active in promoting the Autism Speaks suing the 15 year old thing. Sophist and her forum were one of those that did. I exchanged a couple of emails and thought she sounded nice and I better check out her site. I am on numerous forums for ASD and join new ones rather too often. So many places were targeted on TheZach's behalf including a couple of news sites.

The Zach naturally showed that he did not like that I had done this because I had done this. At this stage i was about the only constructive support he was getting. He was still writing shitty things on his website. I placed a callout on him and PM'ed him at Zomg, AFF and I2. Also around this time it came to pass that TheZach who represented this as truth and fact (like some Lion I know) found out the shirt printer had made the decision with any communication with Autism Speaks. He was hounding people.  all over the ASD internet community including Wrongplanet, et al He then kinda shrugs his shoulders when Autism Speaks then casts evil eyes about the place, rightly assuming, they are being maligned unfairly (in this instance) and that the Autistic Community are probably a bunch of retards in need of a bit of chelation and unable to represent themselves fairly or rationally.

Now The Zach then writes another article on his blog targeting "Google". He says "THIS IS WHAT GOOGLE THINKS OF SPECIAL NEEDS INDIVIDUALS". OK now look at this statement. He is right or he is wrong. It is not up for interpretation. Google thinks this. He then advertises that around on different websites, including ASDGestalt and tries to get people fired up at Google. Only it comes to light that he is wrong in this. It is not true. Again rattling the cages and asking people to arm themselves and go fight of this new enemy of Autism Rights and again completely wrong.

The thread was going stale on I2. I did go to AsdGestalt and with  a curiosity about the place. I had wanted to visit Sophist's forum anyhow and this provided an opportunity.
As to what happened next well we have that pretty much covered. Over and over and over again. We have rehashed it 6 ways to Sunday. Hell I even apologised to the Admin staff for that.

So call that lies or whatever you like. Perhaps you can go into this post and try to find some little juicy contradiction or smear on my values or behaviour or try to ridicule me about some aspect of it. I am sure you will and I am sure that you will do it badly and I will laugh at you for it. There no more question as to what happened?  :yawn:

Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 02, 2008, 11:22:35 PM
A couple of points.

I'm not a tough guy, I'm gentle.

Tenaciousj is a twat.

I'm not here to stick up for Zach, he is more than capable of doing this on his own, he doesn't need me.

I'm here because I hate 'the friendly bastard' I hate his guts. He makes my skin crawl. Slimy turd.

 :congrats: You managed to amuse me a couple times in your last post. Well done. :clap: :lol:

So what if you don't like rossco? What di he do to put sand up your vagina anyway? If Zach was MORE than capable, he wouldn't be cowering like a two year old who had shit his nappy and he'd be here defending himself. Obviously he is the pissweak coward we thought he was, and he has you and Nocti there to hold his hands for him, while he blubbers 'look at what the nasty people are saying about me....' For fucks sake, if a turd like Zach is worth all that trouble, then fuck the net and move in with him. Then you may see what a REAL arsehole he is.

And as for that comment about tenaciouscj, lucky we aren't in the same room, or I'd flatten you with a well directed fist. And if you are worried about being threatened, don't; I've beaten tougher wankers than you.

Bob is a fuckwit and obviously likes to try to score cheap shots. I have a lot of time for Tenacious to and have known her for years. I would do the same to you in real life Bob. But as you seem to know me in real life, how about just identifying yourself. If you are a bloke I will fucking have you. Either that or you are full of shit or maybe the little coward you purport I am.

You know me then front up and say "Hey Rossco I am Bob the uber-fuckwit. Let's go."

For the record. The Chosen One may not have represented the facts 100% but he had the gist of it. The Zach felt harassed. The Zach rejected help. The Zach made an arsehole of himself. The Zach won't front. The Zach and Timelord are both dropkicks. Both Tweedle-dee (Bob) and Tweedle-Dum (Nocti) are wasting time posting meaningless crap. Both like two punch drunk fighters throwing punches with everyone around them trying to say there is no more fight in them and no fight there to be had. Sad :'(
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 02, 2008, 11:32:25 PM
Well said, Sir Les. Now let's hope th 'Simple Minds' of Nocti and Bob can understand it. If they can't, then tough.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 02, 2008, 11:45:31 PM
So call that lies or whatever you like. Perhaps you can go into this post and try to find some little juicy contradiction or smear on my values or behaviour or try to ridicule me about some aspect of it. I am sure you will and I am sure that you will do it badly and I will laugh at you for it. There no more question as to what happened?  :yawn:

No, actually the Zach part of that post seems to present your perspective well. It differs in some details from my perspective, but everybody has different views of events.

Your mistake with me was simply targetting Zach so obviously in your first 2.5 hours posting at Gestalt. Had you not done that you would have had no action taken on your posts or PMs from me. You could have stated what you just did calmly and rationally and you would have come away from it smelling like roses. Instead you barged in like an idiot Troll and then started claiming I was being disrespectful and biased against you... when I can assure you I was doing no such thing. Tie how you approached Gestalt with what you said in this thread and you don't really have a leg to stand on, Sir_Les.

However, I appreciate you laying out your perspective. I do not think it excuses your behaviour at Gestalt, but I do appreciate that you've finally actually tried to communicate something important.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 02, 2008, 11:49:30 PM
The Chosen One may not have represented the facts 100% but he had the gist of it.

Yes, I gathered that he didn't have the facts 100% correct :eyebrows:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Callaway on August 02, 2008, 11:56:10 PM
Sir Les offered help to the Zach because this retard Timelord was getting stuck into him, and Timelord and this other 'tard tried to get Zach committed.

Doesn't Timelord live in Australia?

How could he try to get someone who lives in the US committed?

I don't think that this would be possible, given how difficult it is for even a family member to have someone committed here.



For the record. The Chosen One may not have represented the facts 100% but he had the gist of it. 

Sir Les, is this part of The Chosen One's post an accurate representation of what happened or did it get lost in translation?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 03, 2008, 12:08:03 AM
Nocturdnalist: If you had bothered to do some further investigation, you would have found that Timeliord and TheZach were ganging up on this Foresan (John Best) over child abuse. They wanted his kid taken off him (even though Best is an arsehole) and tried to get Child Services in on the act. Now given the fact that Zach will try anything to get what he wants, and whinges when he doesn't, then it really amazes me why you bothered to stick up for him REGARDLESS of what Sir Les did. But what is even funnier, Nocti, is that you are imposing rules on Sir Les here when you don't have the fucking authority. We are not on your forum now, so your opinion about rules and the treatment of TheZach on your forum is about as useful as a turd in a swimming pool. And about as smelly as one, too. So cut the fucking histrionics and use some of that IQ you purport to have. If you can't, then stop wasting our space. And while your at it, take your ventriloquist dummy with you.

Callaway: everyone thought it was a joke, according to tenaciouscj, who is a member at AFF. She told me directly that all the posters there just laughed at him. Now the thing with Best was that his kid was being treated with chelation, and was extremely constipated. Tiemlord and TheZach then decided to gang up on him, and threatened all sorts of shit. Then they had a falling out, and Timelord was kicked off AFF, albeit awhile later. TheZach still carried on his shit, and the rest is history. The authorities where Zach lived laughed at Timelord as well, because they weren't going to listen to some dickhead like him from another country. Zach apparently comes from Canada, and Best may even come from the UK. Anyway, the guy hasn't bothered to front, which means that these two jokers (Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber) are just farting with their Walkmans on.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Callaway on August 03, 2008, 12:24:56 AM
If you had bothered to do some further investigation, you would have found that Timeliord and TheZach were ganging up on this Foresan (John Best) over child abuse. They wanted his kid taken off him (even though Best is an arsehole) and tried to get Child Services in on the act.

Wow, that's interesting.

What sort of child abuse was John Best allegedly doing to his son?  I don't think that the chelation therapy would qualify as abuse with child protective services.  While I agree that John Best has acted like a jerk to a lot of people, trying to have his son taken away (if there was no actual abuse) would be pretty low.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 03, 2008, 12:29:24 AM
Their 'reasoning' was that the constipation was causing him to make bowel movements that would have ruptured the kid's rectum. Whatever, they had no authority to make the call.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 03, 2008, 12:31:15 AM
Here's my perspective. I do not deal with the events on AFF because the row between Zach and Sir_Les on AFF is not my concern. I am mostly concerned with what happened on Gestalt on the 12 July 2008 and directly leading up to that displaying motivation.

Context leading up to events. (Times are BST).

I2 - June 22, 2008, 12:09:57 AM... Sir_Les giving his reasons for calling out Zach on I2, 'The guy is a little shit. I just want to abuse him a little'. This may very well have been posted before he saw Zach's blog since the thread was started the day before. The fact it seems unaware of Zach's blog, and that the thread was started first, is why I put it first in this list.

June 22, 2008 - Zach's blog - which I think is unfair in relation to naming 'Rossco' Sir_Les.
Quote
But please do not post and write impolite letters, as this reflects on all of us and me as well - and it also proves the point that Autism Speaks is trying to make.  I’ve already had to deal with one of these idiots and it resulted in me wanting to take down the site. If I get another person like Grumpy Old Rossco from AspiesForFreedomwho wants to be impolite I’m going to get very upset.  I don’t have the time do deal with immature whiny brats.

I2 - June 23, 2008, 05:41:32 AM... Sir_Les writes the 8th post about Zach in the thread (having noticed Zach's blog now)... 'He is 22 going on 8. He is a little punk. He needs an arse-kicking and my size 10s need a workout'.

End of 'context'... on to the events leading up to Sir_Les joining Gestalt...

I2 - July 11, 2008, 04:15:43 AM... Renaeden says that Zach 'took all his complaining to Gestalt.'

I2 - July 11, 2008, 11:03:05 AM... Sir_Les replies.
Quote from: Sir_Les_Patterson
Oh cool. I would like to perhaps met the young man there and having a chat. You can't tell me the address can you?  >:D

I2 - July 11, 2008, 11:06:44 AM... Renaeden gives the link to Gestalt.

Gestalt - July 11, 2008, 5:35 PM... Sir_Les opens his account at Gestalt.

I2 - July 11, 2008, 05:36:57 PM... Sir_Les responds, Thanking Renaeden for the link and then writing, 'Where are my steel capped boots?' This directly after opening his account at Gestalt.

I2 - July 11, 2008, 11:15:01 PM... Ozymandias recognises what is going on and knows about previous behaviour like this from Sir_Les.
Quote from: Ozymandias
Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of these forum battles spilling over into other innocent  forums.  Sir_Les went after Timelord on AspergianPride from a feud on AI.  I smacked that down on AI and warned Bonnie on AP about what she was dealing with.

July 12, 2008

Gestalt - 02:02am = 1st ever post - Attacking Zach.

I2 - 02:19am = Sir_Les post on I2 boasting about that 1st post (also suggests his PM to Zach was sent prior to this time).

Gestalt - 2:28am = My 1st PM to Sir_Les saying that he should not attack Zach and asking if his next post will be an intro.

Gestalt - 2:53am = 1st PM reply from Sir_Les admitting he dislikes Zach and saying he will 'be sure' to intro himself.

Gestalt - 3:02am = 2nd ever post - Ambiguous humour at the expense of Zach in Zach's intro thread.

Gestalt - 3:22am = My 2nd PM to Sir_Les insistant that Sir_Les should not be giving Zach exclusive attention, and saying that I will edit his Sir_Les' first post to remove the personal comments.

Gestalt - 4:22am = Sir_Les' 3rd ever post - Intro post, but making unecessary mention of Zach in an obviously biased against way - I chose not to make a further PM because my former one had not been replied to - I did not wish to hound Sir_Les but give him time to reply to me.

Gestalt - 4:25am = My post welcoming Sir_Les to the forum in his Intro thread.

Gestalt - 5.22am - 5.54am = I made several posts in the 'Google' thread examining on from the good points of Sir_Les' first post in that thread and Aspens reply to it, by examining Zach's claims more closely.

Gestalt - 7:35am = My post in the 'Google' thread, confirming that I had cross referenced Zach's screen shot with others which showed it accurate and not fake.

Gestalt - 8:00am = My post in the 'Google' thread reminding posters of the good points in Sir_Les' original forum post.

Gestalt - 8:06am = 2nd PM reply to me from Sir_Les in an aggressive tone. I noted he read my 2nd PM before (or only shortly after) he posted his Intro.

I2 - July 12, 2008, 09:52:12 AM... Sir_Les, names me 'Nocturnalist'. Note he wrote this AFTER he both read and replied to my 2nd PM which he complained about... he does not appear particularly upset by it.
Quote from: Sir_Les_Patterson
Yeah some Admin there Nocturnalist (?) removed it and tried to lecture me and I suppose felt far more empowered for doing so. I thought it was laid on a little thick and that his fear of the situation outweighed his knowledge of what was going on.  Glad no one saw. This way I can talk it up without having to back myself with evidence. It was mostly harmless banter :angel:

Gestalt - 3:28pm = My 3rd PM to Sir_les advising him of what he should do if he feels he has a complaint about an Administrator.

Gestalt - 4:54pm = 3rd PM reply to me from Sir_Les stating that he will be complaining about me to Sophist for my being biased against him.

Briefly what followed...

After Sophist and Sir_Les talked, Sophist was lead to believe that Sir_Les would offer me an appology... instead he sent me a very impolite PM. She had apologised because she had not been fully aware of why I PMed following Sir_Les' 2nd post. Sir_Les then sought me to resign as an Admin at Gestalt, until Sophist clarified what she meant. Sir_Les was then sent a retrospective about his first post on Gestalt (I voted against this being sent to him), and in understandable response he complained about my second PM to him again, this time to all the Admins. When they found against him, he then PMed them back basically calling their judgement hypocritical because they didn't agree with him.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 03, 2008, 12:36:10 AM
...Nocti, is that you are imposing rules on Sir Les here when you don't have the fucking authority. We are not on your forum now, so your opinion about rules and the treatment of TheZach on your forum is about as useful as a turd in a swimming pool.

I'm not imposing rules on Sir_Les here. He just should not be surprised when he comes to another forum behaving as he did and an Admin steps in. Its people like Sir_Les who seem to think they have a license to act any way they like on other fora.

I don't mind this thread here. Pop away at Zach to your hearts content, just don't try doing it on Gestalt also.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 03, 2008, 12:40:42 AM
Noctudnalist: If it had been me, I'd have told you to go fuck yourself too. I neither know nor care what your ultimate motive is here, and what is crawling in your arse at present to make you carry on like this, but the 'rule' here is this, if someone wants to say something about someone, then they do it. Now neither I nor anyone else give a flying fuck how things are run at your place, but when you are here, don't tell us how to do our job. And if you aren't happy with the attitude, don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 03, 2008, 01:07:21 AM
...but the 'rule' here is this, if someone wants to say something about someone, then they do it.

Duh... have I ever said somebody cannot say what they like here at I2? ::)

You are so very definitely not the sharpest tool in the box :bunny:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on August 03, 2008, 01:15:39 AM
Nocturdnalist: If you had bothered to do some further investigation, you would have found that Timeliord and TheZach were ganging up on this Foresan (John Best) over child abuse. They wanted his kid taken off him (even though Best is an arsehole) and tried to get Child Services in on the act.


This is just nonsense. I really think you need to quote reliable sources if you are going to spout this kind of rubbish.

An anonymous poster who uses socks in AFF don't count as a reliable source.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 03, 2008, 01:18:38 AM
So call that lies or whatever you like. Perhaps you can go into this post and try to find some little juicy contradiction or smear on my values or behaviour or try to ridicule me about some aspect of it. I am sure you will and I am sure that you will do it badly and I will laugh at you for it. There no more question as to what happened?  :yawn:

No, actually the Zach part of that post seems to present your perspective well. It differs in some details from my perspective, but everybody has different views of events.

Your mistake with me was simply targetting Zach so obviously in your first 2.5 hours posting at Gestalt. Had you not done that you would have had no action taken on your posts or PMs from me. You could have stated what you just did calmly and rationally and you would have come away from it smelling like roses. Instead you barged in like an idiot Troll and then started claiming I was being disrespectful and biased against you... when I can assure you I was doing no such thing. Tie how you approached Gestalt with what you said in this thread and you don't really have a leg to stand on, Sir_Les.

However, I appreciate you laying out your perspective. I do not think it excuses your behaviour at Gestalt, but I do appreciate that you've finally actually tried to communicate something important.

I don't think was important. It is just a string of interactions that has occurred on the internet. Fact is you are keeping this thread alive and you breathed life into it as it had all but died. The fuck is I wanted to have a go at The Zach. I have never denied that. The fact is I think he is an idiot and I don't like him. I have never made this anything but clear. Fact is I found out where he was and as he had been running me down at his site and on AFF, I was expecting him to be doing the same. I was going to rip him a new arsehole if he was. So yeah I did "barge in there" and try to find evidence of him doing this. Not disclaiming the fact that I would not have done this nor tht I was not genuinely interested in joining the site but they were my intentions. If he wrote a "There is a guy on AFF called Rossco who is being an arsehole because he x,y,z I was going to go him. I automatically PM'ed him and informed him of the call-out whilst I was there.

Guess what? No whine about Rossco.
I DID find he had written that Google shit trying to entice another board to take on nasty Google. It was EXACTLY the same post as he had posted on AFF. AFF'ers had ALREADY informed him he was simply incorrect and he was trying it on here too. I responded. Severely? No. No less severely than I responded to it on AFF (Yes word for bloody word and no concern there). It was not anything too severe (Sorry don't have it to hand to show) but I think it was fair and raised fair comments. It too wasn't the opportunity I was hoping to put a rocket up him as he wasn't having a go at me, he was just being a dickhead.

I told everyone here by way of explanation that this is what I had done (as a way of explaining no Zach hunting - he had not been doing what I thought he had and therefore could not really jump on him) and that, this was not going to happen. I had done as much as I would do.

You did tell me that you had removed the thread or whatever and said you understood the points and were OK with that but I had been a little too severe (or words to that effect).
That really I think covers that actually The Zach call out episodes and really could have been left at that point. It is your interpretation of my reason for being there or what I was duplicitously or manipulatively trying to do that causes shit from here on in. I always respond to any shove. It isn't that I am sensitive or upset or whining. If someone responds negatively to me I respond back. I have been doing that for a while. You did and I responded. I don't feel the least bit bad that I did or how I did and I certainly don't feel bad for you.

You question my honesty and whether I am underhanded. I am not. You look for angles where there aren't. Might be a reason why YOU misread things so badly and why you come across on this thread as such an ass.  :laugh: Surely the Lion of ASDGestalt would be able to clean up a common garden variety troll or bullyboy? You make me laugh.  :clap:

Your partner Bob mentioned that "Australians stick together" which indicates to me that he isn't Australia, nor does he know me in real life. Which is a shame, love to meet him.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on August 03, 2008, 01:25:11 AM
oh chosen one, 
Quote
I don’t have the time do deal with immature whiny brats.
Taken from Zach's blog.

Clearly this is the reason he hasn't fronted up to Les in this thread.

Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on August 03, 2008, 01:28:56 AM
Quote
Quote from: Ozymandias
Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of these forum battles spilling over into other innocent  forums.  Sir_Les went after Timelord on AspergianPride from a feud on AI.  I smacked that down on AI and warned Bonnie on AP about what she was dealing with.

Ahhh, so someone else has noticed Les's nasty behaviour.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 03, 2008, 01:34:54 AM
And I think you need to pull your head out of your arse, and stop breathing the methane you seem to be getting high on.

OK, Einstein; given that you seem to be the 'fount' of all wisdom (and not just another glove-puppet for the intellectually impared such as Nocturnalist the night cart driver), could you elucidate on how my source is a sockpuppet. I mean, given that you know about all this shit. Hey, you've probably been a sockpuppet for a few right wankers in your time? A right internet franger? Go on, Bob, give us an insight into that fetid swamp of a mind of yours.

Given that I actually know her PERSONALLY, fucktard, I can say that she'd be pretty much right. Which is more than I can say for some dickwad waving his willy in front of the screen. My guess is if I ran into you in a pub, I'd recognise you easily by the hairy palms, rusty zipper and yellow boots. Now crawl back under the rock you came out from like the rock-spider you are, and leave the fight to the big boys. I've taken on tougher than you, arsewipe, and they never came back for seconds.

Bob, it seems to me that you and your other half ar really the only ones here who give a shit about this poor retarded little nobody named TheZach. You are obviously the most pathetic, whiny annoying kid (and I mean that, you must be what, 10?) to have ever posted in a forum. Who do you masquerade as in AFF, some other loser as well, I'm sure. No, wait, you probably never joined and are just making it all up as you are going along. Pity, really, I would have loved to have met the dickhead behind the name; then I could have really had a good laugh. Now go off and play with your Barbie dolls and blocks and leave the electronic gizmos to those that know how to use them, eh? There's a good boy.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on August 03, 2008, 01:37:08 AM
 Les' quote
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Glad no one saw. This way I can talk it up without having to back myself with evidence.

Les to a T. You're good at talking yourself up aren't you Les. You are so full of bullshit. Without having to back yourself up with evidence,  ::) ::) you are a liar. You twist and turn your words to make it seem you're a saint, and in the process you hurt innocent people with your lies.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 03, 2008, 01:37:38 AM
You did tell me that you had removed the thread or whatever and said you understood the points and were OK with that but I had been a little too severe (or words to that effect).

I removed it temporarilly and then edited it so that the good points were left and the personal attack was removed. You did make some very good points in that post.

Regarding the thread here. I don't care whether it continues or if it fizzles out. I posted in this thread because I had been mentioned in this thread prior to my joining I2. I have absolutely no problem with this thread, outside of the fact I dislike mobs and am glad Zach hasn't come here. I dislike people getting torn apart.

I posted in reply to what The_Chosen_One had posted in this thread. I knew there was a chance you would respond, but otherwise I'd have left you in peace here - OK I may have been sharp had we bumped heads because I certainly dislike you now, but generally my intention was to be how it was in my Intro thread here.

Bobs nothing to do with me. First time I encountered Bob was in this thread. My intention here was to post by myself and take whatever the members of I2 saw fit to hurl at me. I must admit, I feel more unscathed than I expected.

I see your perspective and I hope you might now understand mine.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Callaway on August 03, 2008, 01:43:00 AM
Quote
Quote from: Ozymandias
Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of these forum battles spilling over into other innocent  forums.  Sir_Les went after Timelord on AspergianPride from a feud on AI.  I smacked that down on AI and warned Bonnie on AP about what she was dealing with.

Ahhh, so someone else has noticed Les's nasty behaviour.


Unfortunately, Aspergian Island is down now, but IIRC, Timelord said some pretty nasty things about Sir Les there, so I don't think that it was all  just one-sided.  It's just that neither Aspergian Island nor AspergianPride were an appropriate place to have a fiery discussion.  Intensity is, if both participants are willing and 18 or older.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on August 03, 2008, 01:50:49 AM
Thanks for allowing me the opportunity to express my opinions Callaway.
Very much appreciated. :worship: :grouphug:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 03, 2008, 01:52:04 AM
Not to say that you are wrong or misrepresenting whether I knew that Zach was writing shit about me and being an arsehole and therefore ought not to be so defended by the ASDGestalt Lion BUT..............

Yeah I know him. He is 22 going on 8. He is a little punk. He needs an arse-kicking and my size 10s need a workout.

This was an AFF thread where he got all butthurt. I still do not know what he was saying I did or why I am the cause of him having to pull his site down.

http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=13606&page=1

THis is what he put on his blog about me:

http://www.aspieweb.net/what-you-can-do-and-thanks/

This is his sole contribution to Zomgaspies:

http://www.zomgaspies.com/hey-idiots-t15196.html

Now he is lurking here.




OK, I read the thread on AFF and the blog on Aspie web, but I was unable to see the ZOMG link.

I liked the letter you sent and I could find no problem at all with it. 

Anbuend, of course, gave good advice.  I really like her a lot.

I can't believe he actually took his own website down because of what you said in that thread.

The only thing that I can figure, since I don't know him, is that he must have been under a lot of stress because of the Autism Squeaks situation and he took it out on you because you were the closest "safe" target.  You know, kind of like when your kid is really good for his teacher in kindergarten, but takes his frustration out on his parents when he gets home because he has to let off steam somewhere?[/b]

Now I know you have issue with me glossing over things BUT....


Gestalt - 3:02am = 2nd ever post - Ambiguous humour at the expense of Zach in Zach's intro thread.[/b]

Want to quote the post here and see how "ambiguous it is and how a reasonable, rational, unbiased person NOT looking for a troll in his territory might view it? I(That actually means this lot. Show it around and see who may take offense) The irony is that I was "trying" to be respectful and defuse a situation with Zach and me and with Zach and Sophist with humour. Despite what is on here I tend to use this kind of humour on the net.



Gestalt - 3:22am = My 2nd PM to Sir_Les insistant that Sir_Les should not be giving Zach exclusive attention, and saying that I will edit his Sir_Les' first post to remove the personal comments.
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Maybe that may be your summary. Maybe you think your post was not going to have anything I may be shitty towards on there. Post it here like you did your breakdown of where I was when. I don't mind if you don't. See if others think they might have told you to go get fucked too.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 03, 2008, 01:58:12 AM
Unfortunately, Aspergian Island is down now, but IIRC, Timelord said some pretty nasty things about Sir Les there, so I don't think that it was all  just one-sided.

I came across Timelord's Wiki http://philsworld.a.wiki-site.com/index.php/Gareth_Nelson and I thought he was a bit of a twerp frankly, especially when discribing himself as a 'valuable ally' and threatening war on Gareth. :roflol:

Had this guy come to Gestalt looking for a fight with Sir_Les, regardless of the way I feel about Sir_Les, I would respond the same way as I did with how Sir_Les posted at Zach. I would try and head it off before it became trouble.

However, here, on I2... its always open season. I appreciate that, and have done so in this thread. :roses:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 03, 2008, 02:02:57 AM
Les' quote
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Glad no one saw. This way I can talk it up without having to back myself with evidence.

Les to a T. You're good at talking yourself up aren't you Les. You are so full of bullshit. Without having to back yourself up with evidence,  ::) ::) you are a liar. You twist and turn your words to make it seem you're a saint, and in the process you hurt innocent people with your lies.

Hey Dickhead, if you are reading this, people HAD seen it. Parts had and I think Pyraxis. I was just dismissing it out of hand not because I was lying or because I "had no evidence" because the "him talking shit about me and me calling him to rights" did not happened and I was trying to wave it all off as a bit of a loss. I am HAPPY for everyone else to see the copy, shit-for-brains. If AFF comes up I will post the link to the comment I placed on there otherwise get the unedited version off Nocti.

God you are an annoying little fuckwit.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 03, 2008, 02:05:32 AM
Les' quote
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Glad no one saw. This way I can talk it up without having to back myself with evidence.

Les to a T. You're good at talking yourself up aren't you Les. You are so full of bullshit. Without having to back yourself up with evidence,  ::) ::) you are a liar. You twist and turn your words to make it seem you're a saint, and in the process you hurt innocent people with your lies.

Bob, I've said it before and I'll say it again. I just don't give a shit. You seem to be obsessed with seeing Zach as some sort of victim and Sir Les as a villain. Even when the facts are handed to you, you go off on some whiny little rant about him being a bully and how your mate was attacked. If your brain was dynamite, as someone once said, you'd have trouble blowing your nose. You actually remind me of some of those retards over at Wankplanet, who can't wait to report any scandalous behaviour to the mods. If that's the case, then why troll here? You obviously need something to keep your hands busy rather than the incessant wanking that fills your every other waking moment. So before you run off at the keys and post some more shit about who is the victim, I have better things to be doing than wasting my time reading reams of endless drivel from a braindead tosser whose only attempt at gaining an iota of respect was trying to take someone down on a forum. Really, so pathetic. Get a life, moron.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 03, 2008, 02:17:58 AM
You did tell me that you had removed the thread or whatever and said you understood the points and were OK with that but I had been a little too severe (or words to that effect).

I removed it temporarilly and then edited it so that the good points were left and the personal attack was removed. You did make some very good points in that post.

Regarding the thread here. I don't care whether it continues or if it fizzles out. I posted in this thread because I had been mentioned in this thread prior to my joining I2. I have absolutely no problem with this thread, outside of the fact I dislike mobs and am glad Zach hasn't come here. I dislike people getting torn apart.

I posted in reply to what The_Chosen_One had posted in this thread. I knew there was a chance you would respond, but otherwise I'd have left you in peace here - OK I may have been sharp had we bumped heads because I certainly dislike you now, but generally my intention was to be how it was in my Intro thread here.

Bobs nothing to do with me. First time I encountered Bob was in this thread. My intention here was to post by myself and take whatever the members of I2 saw fit to hurl at me. I must admit, I feel more unscathed than I expected.

I see your perspective and I hope you might now understand mine.

Nocti I am and have been taking your lead.
If you had not have posted that second PM at me about a harmless and light-hearted joke, I would not have had a go at you......but you did.
If you had not asked me to take it up with Sophist, I wouldn't have.................but you did.
If you had not been a part of an Admin that sought to judge my first post on ASD Gestalt for the third bloody time, I would not have asked them to have a pow-wow on you..............But you were
Every post you made here I have responded to, if you did not make them I would not have............but you did.

Why would I2 members necessarily give a shit about you Nocti?

Oh for the record I don't like you much either. This is not likely to be much of a surprise to you or anyone else. I tend to be pretty honest and direct. How you have come to the understanding otherwise I honestly still don't know. I blame my inferior IQ. (See self-depreciating modesty just don't work)

As for appreciating your perspective, in all honesty I have not tried. I see you say <x,y and z> and then think fuck him and his opinions. As far as I can see, you had a lot of fanciful notions about who I was and what I was doing and have clung onto it and touted your opinions as facts and over the course of too many posts have come to realisae that I do not fit so neatly into that box and after making an ass of yourself now try to take a bow.  :clap: Well done Nocti.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 03, 2008, 02:27:47 AM
Now I know you have issue with me glossing over things BUT....


Gestalt - 3:02am = 2nd ever post - Ambiguous humour at the expense of Zach in Zach's intro thread.

Want to quote the post here and see how "ambiguous it is and how a reasonable, rational, unbiased person NOT looking for a troll in his territory might view it?

It was your timing, Sir_Les not the words which were as deliberately ambiguous as you were careful not to greet Zach - though the idea of Sophist bathing Zach like a dog didn't seem appropriate in his welcome thread by somebody who had just admitted to me in PM that he didn't like Zach - why the heck was your next post in Zach's welcome thread then! I've seen this sort of thing often before. In my PM I made it clear that you should not be giving Zach exclusive attention, I did not criticise the words you used at all in my PM... but the timing and that you seemed fixated on Zach.

I'm not glossing over things in that map of events... the timing is the point.

I printed this here in the hope that it will help you to understand my perspective in the matter. You might think my understanding faulty, but perhaps you can get an inkling of how it all looked to me, and still looks.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 03, 2008, 02:49:26 AM
If you had not asked me to take it up with Sophist, I wouldn't have.................but you did.

I did not ask you to take it up with Sophist. I carried out my duty in advising you what to do IF you felt you had a complaint against an Admin.

Quote from: A 3rd PM from me to Sir_Les
If you have any complaint about a member of the Administration team or a fellow poster, please feel free to contact another member of the Administration team about it or the Site owner, Sophist...

...I will welcome you approaching Sophist regarding this matter if you feel you have been mistreated by me.

I wasn't asking you to contact Sophist. I was instructing you what to do IF you felt I had mistreated you - its the CLEAR condition of the sentence. So you toddled off to whine because you thought you had been mistreated. Come on, surely you can read English. If you didn't feel mistreated by me, then why did you complain, or was it just to cause trouble.

I find it hard to believe you did it because I told you to. That's a pretty pathetic excuse for yourself... and unlikely given your attitude towards me.

If you had not been a part of an Admin that sought to judge my first post on ASD Gestalt for the third bloody time, I would not have asked them to have a pow-wow on you..............But you were...

No. I voted against the Retrospective. I stated to the other admin that I was opposed to it.

You took it completely upon yourself to make the second complaint purely out of a wish to make trouble.

When it didn't go your way you suggested all the Admin were hypocrites for not agreeing with you.

Why would I2 members necessarily give a shit about you Nocti?

Why do you think they would give two hoots about your personal vendetta on Zach? You posted this thread, Sir_Les.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 03, 2008, 02:52:04 AM
So, you would have preferred that he wait 10 weeks and 5000 posts before he was entitled to even mention him? Come off the grass, it seems pretty damn pissweak that a known troublemaker like him (Zach) should receive such protection from a group of supposedly more higher functioning forum-dwellers. I mentioned in my post earlier about you doing a Wankplanet on Sitr Les, well, that is exactly how their mods treat people who don't play the game of the cliques and the protected. The mods get stuck into those that have the balls to want soomething better than a whiny emo bunch of dickwads ruling the place. And you say you didn't want ASDGestalt to go down that path..... By the sound of it, it's pretty much a carbon copy, with you as the MrMark leading the way. God help them.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 03, 2008, 02:59:59 AM
Come off the grass, it seems pretty damn pissweak that a known troublemaker like him (Zach) should receive such protection from a group of supposedly more higher functioning forum-dwellers.

Zach is relatively new at Gestalt and hasn't made trouble there. It doesn't matter that the target was him or anybody else. I would have done the same had it been anybody else.

For somebody so keen that I don't tell I2 how to run a forum... you seem keen to say how other fora should be run :zzz:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 03, 2008, 03:14:01 AM
Come off the grass, it seems pretty damn pissweak that a known troublemaker like him (Zach) should receive such protection from a group of supposedly more higher functioning forum-dwellers.

Zach is relatively new at Gestalt and hasn't made trouble there. It doesn't matter that the target was him or anybody else. I would have done the same had it been anybody else.

For somebody so keen that I don't tell I2 how to run a forum... you seem keen to say how other fora should be run :zzz:

No, I am merely pointing out that for someone to be running off about your rose-coloured glasses viewpoint of Zach is all well and above board and then castrating someone who wants to make sure that he can either contact him to square things up or check on his wellbeing seems a bit well, hypocritical. You call it bullying, I don't. A forum is a forum is a forum, you can paint it technicolour if you want, but basically that's what it comes down to. Sir Les didn't fit your mould, and you didn't like it. Now do you see why I wouldn't have anything to do with you either? Given that I don't suffer fools gladly, I'd probably be made to feel as welcome as a hemorrhoid on an astronaut there. Whcih doesn't worry me in the slightest. I'm used to bullshit like that; considering it's the same pathetic crap that they pulled at the site you didn't want Gestalt to become.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 03, 2008, 03:23:10 AM
...then castrating someone who wants to make sure that he can either contact him to square things up or check on his wellbeing seems a bit well, hypocritical. You call it bullying, I don't.

Oh, so had Zach come over, this thread would have suddenly turned reasonable, would it? This thread would have Squared up nothing in this business with Zach and Sir_Les was hardly checking up on his well being. Sir_Les joined Gestalt to get at Zach... clearly for no other reason on that day. He sent off his PM but didn't simply leave it at that. He posted attacking Zach and posted the link over here for an audience to see the sport he thought would follow.

So I've castrated Sir_Les now have I... wow. I wonder if Sir_Les knows this - lol :lol:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 03, 2008, 03:38:56 AM
...then castrating someone who wants to make sure that he can either contact him to square things up or check on his wellbeing seems a bit well, hypocritical. You call it bullying, I don't.

Oh, so had Zach come over, this thread would have suddenly turned reasonable, would it? This thread would have Squared up nothing in this business with Zach and Sir_Les was hardly checking up on his well being. Sir_Les joined Gestalt to get at Zach... clearly for no other reason on that day. He sent off his PM but didn't simply leave it at that. He posted attacking Zach and posted the link over here for an audience to see the sport he thought would follow.

So I've castrated Sir_Les now have I... wow. I wonder if Sir_Les knows this - lol :lol:

As far as your girlie forum is concerned, well, maybe. But I doubt Les gives a shit. Back to Zach. What does it matter if he did come here and the war of words continued? If he was the type to do some harm to himself, then obviously he should never have had access to the net in the first place. But seeing as he started this shit way back on AFF, and didn't have the balls to work it out whichever way, then defending the little milksop is only making you look like an even bigger dickhead. As I've said, and I'll say it again for you seeing as you maybe a little deaf, you can protect the little faggot all you want over there, but don't try and justify it here where there ain't no boundaries, becasue in the end, your site is as relevent here as a dose of the clap is to someone taking penicillin. A pain in the arse, but one that will go away. You, on the other hand, with your constant harping on it are about as welcome as dose of genital herpes. Maybe one day a cure could be found, but until then, the itch lingers....

And by the way, that was a metaphor, son; a metaphor.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 03, 2008, 04:58:01 AM
What does it matter if he did come here and the war of words continued?

And what does it matter to you if he doesn't! :razz:

You are an unbelievably thick individual. I'm not here to defend Zach... I'm in this thread because Sir_Les mentioned me here before I joined I2 and then you posted some nonsence in reply about me. So I came to this thread and said 'here I am'... though you were slow as usual to appear. :bunny:

When are you going to give me your best shot? I'm still waiting :hahaha:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 03, 2008, 05:00:30 AM
And by the way, that was a metaphor, son; a metaphor.

Duh of course. I did not exactly think I'd castrated him actually. :hahaha:

I do not think it a suitable metaphor since, at Gestalt, I only edited a few lines from his first post and told him not to focus his attentions exclusively on Zach ::) Hardly a castration, even a metaphorical one :lol:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 03, 2008, 05:53:12 AM
Now I know you have issue with me glossing over things BUT....


Gestalt - 3:02am = 2nd ever post - Ambiguous humour at the expense of Zach in Zach's intro thread.

Want to quote the post here and see how "ambiguous it is and how a reasonable, rational, unbiased person NOT looking for a troll in his territory might view it?

It was your timing, Sir_Les not the words which were as deliberately ambiguous as you were careful not to greet Zach - though the idea of Sophist bathing Zach like a dog didn't seem appropriate in his welcome thread by somebody who had just admitted to me in PM that he didn't like Zach - why the heck was your next post in Zach's welcome thread then! I've seen this sort of thing often before. In my PM I made it clear that you should not be giving Zach exclusive attention, I did not criticise the words you used at all in my PM... but the timing and that you seemed fixated on Zach.

I'm not glossing over things in that map of events... the timing is the point.

I printed this here in the hope that it will help you to understand my perspective in the matter. You might think my understanding faulty, but perhaps you can get an inkling of how it all looked to me, and still looks.

I already explained that to you  but....

You asked me to go and do an intro. I did not know what to say and I normally don't do intros. I did not here or at well any of the forums I've been at. I did here after a week or two and someone else (Renaeden?) set it up for me. So how to find out what to say? Look what other's have put. Who is the last intro post.....C'mon Nocti you know who the last member before me was who wanted to introduce themselves. Starts with "The" and ends with "Zach". Was his intro helpful? No I think off memory he said fuck all, which was no help. Now YOU think I ought to have welcomed to Gestalt a guy who I don't like. That is a little bit hypocritical and dishonest and I think stupid. I am not like that.

Though there was a little bit of gentle banter there that I did participate in. The punchline was very silly and though I had not read the post explaining The Zach's dealings with Sophist, I saw that he had also causes some angst there too . I thought it was a way of lightening the mood. See she was asking whether he was pissed off with her, he said something like "No but my dogs are pissed off at me because I bathed them". She asked whether she would be OK...what was my ambiguous words here Nocti....go on what was the nasty context? I think I said something ambiguous and nasty and poor timed like.............""Unless you give him a bath". That was about it wasn't it Nocti. Not word for word but that was it.

So ought I have been pissed off with your response? Yup! Ought I have told you where to go? Yup. In the context of what I had done was it over-reaction and were you (and have you been) looking for a projecting, bullying, troll to hang your misdirected assumptions on? Yup. Did you get it right? Nope. Were you looking really hard for me to be "that guy"? Yup. Why? Because you were biased, over-reactive and for"all the best intentions, saw only what you wanted to see and acted untoward on the basis of that.

Your reaction had a flow on effect. You think I had a problem with you? Yup. You were obviously not wanting to discuss it and said "You got a problem about what I said go see Sophist. I did. You have some issue with it? Wonder why that is?

I was starting trouble.? No mate. You were instrumental in each step of the proceedings. Oh the Retrospective decisions. I did not (of course) know it was retrospective or whether or how you voted but I would always react to the third such judgement on the same iissue the way I did. Why? I did not like the way you were conducting yourself. I had no problem with anyone else so........................(a) I dislike you, (b) I have no "particular" issue with the other Admins, (c) I am pissed off about being group judged over the post after being told twice it was not on (I thought it a bit much) (d) I see the group consult over problems is how things are decided on, (e) I have a problem - What am I going to do?

It was not whining and I was not expecting anything less than the decision that was handed down. I was always going to say that it was a stupid position.
YOU volunteered that if you were found to be biased and untoward that you would quit. I never for a moment thought it was likely the decision would come back saying you were. (Between you and me though mate. If they had have said that  - I would have asked you to fulfill your promise. Do you know why? Because amoung other things, I am petty like that  :evillaugh: )

Hope this "fills in a few more blanks".  :asthing:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 03, 2008, 05:58:19 AM

Why would I2 members necessarily give a shit about you Nocti?

Why do you think they would give two hoots about your personal vendetta on Zach? You posted this thread, Sir_Les.

Because Sherlock it was a call out. They get to have popcorn and beers in the Peanut Gallery and watch two internerds fight. It is fun. They can pass comment there on the proceedings and they don't REALLY care who theZach  or isn't apart from the fact that he is a piece of fresh meat that is going up against another member. That is the interest level. It is curiousity without concern.

Why they would not then necessarily give a shit about you, maybe they have other more interesting things to think about, like......anything really
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on August 03, 2008, 06:14:38 AM
:popcorn:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: thepeaguy on August 03, 2008, 06:22:26 AM

The only thing you seem to be impressed with are Sir_Les' allegedly hairy stones and what passes for your own wit. You seem very easilly impressed with both yourself and him... mind you I suppose its necessary to be easilly impressed if the pair of you are to appreciate one another :evillaugh:

Stop regurgitating phrases from boring philosophers and passing it off as your own wit. I'm not impressed.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: thepeaguy on August 03, 2008, 06:29:09 AM

I read that you volunteer in a charity shop to raise funds for hospices.

I haven't volunteered since I've left the organisation in Feb.

I want money.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 03, 2008, 06:44:49 AM
Nocturnalist, i see you haven't given up. Still the same old boring fart that you were when you started. And maybe that's the problem with Gestalt - too many boring old farts like you running around. You know, the pseudo intellectual dickheads who claim to have degrees up the wazoo and drink chardonnay etc etc..... What these wankers seem to forget is that while they are conducting their tugfests in their cosy little slices of heaven, people outside are actually contributing to forums where people actually give a shit. I mean, what would your membership consist of, compared to the average membership anywhere else, and how many of them whould be people who would be the shit shovellers, the people with the arse out of their tweeds. Probably not many, because like you my friend, they would be all stuck up gits looking down on the rest of us because we don't fit your criteria. Your attitude here speaks volumes on that. Now I've never been one for cliques or private wank sessions, but as far as I'm concerned, if you want to play trouser-snake shakey with the dickheads like Zach and the rest of his ilk, then you are welcome. Just remember to wash your hands before leaving the toilet.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 03, 2008, 09:17:53 AM
YOU volunteered that if you were found to be biased and untoward that you would quit... ...If they had have said that  - I would have asked you to fulfill your promise. Do you know why? Because amoung other things, I am petty like that...

Yes, I've noticed. Even though Sophist didn't find me biased against you, you already kept suggesting I resign. :yawn:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 03, 2008, 09:19:15 AM
Because Sherlock it was a call out.

Big ruddy deal. :yawn:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 03, 2008, 09:22:33 AM
I'm not impressed.

Like I could give two hoots :yawn:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 03, 2008, 09:25:08 AM
Nocturnalist, i see you haven't given up.

Oh right. :yawn:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 03, 2008, 09:59:55 AM
Well, if there is no further business beyond simple name-calling, if the threesome find that fun then they are welcome to continue it, I'll not bother unless I have something I wish to add. :yawn:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: thepeaguy on August 03, 2008, 10:03:07 AM
I'm not impressed.

Like I could give two hoots. :yawn:

You wanted me to care though, so you could drop the bombshell on me and hurt my precious feelings.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Phlexor on August 03, 2008, 11:25:57 AM
I'm not impressed.

Like I could give two hoots. :yawn:

You wanted me to care though, so you could drop the bombshell on me and hurt my precious feelings.

When the fuck did you go and get 'precious feelings'?

 ;)
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Phlexor on August 03, 2008, 11:26:51 AM
Is it just me, or does this bob character sound like one of Timelords deluded so-called followers?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: thepeaguy on August 03, 2008, 11:51:21 AM
I'm not impressed.

Like I could give two hoots. :yawn:

You wanted me to care though, so you could drop the bombshell on me and hurt my precious feelings.

When the fuck did you go and get 'precious feelings'?

 ;)

I'm going to murder you someday.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on August 03, 2008, 12:08:00 PM
This isn't popcorn-worthy anymore. Sorry.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Phlexor on August 03, 2008, 12:23:21 PM
I'm not impressed.

Like I could give two hoots. :yawn:

You wanted me to care though, so you could drop the bombshell on me and hurt my precious feelings.

When the fuck did you go and get 'precious feelings'?

 ;)

I'm going to murder you someday.

Aw, you say the nicest things.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 03, 2008, 03:28:38 PM
Well, if there is no further business beyond simple name-calling, if the threesome find that fun then they are welcome to continue it, I'll not bother unless I have something I wish to add. :yawn:


Now most of what you wrote is gibberish peppered with emoticons, "diddums", pathetic put downs and asking whether I felt bad. So in answer to all of that. "No, not really, but I do think you are dribbling a load of bullshit and I would love you to keep making an ass of yourself."

Is that it? Has it come down to..."I don't like you and think you are X,Y,Z, and I wanna call you names"
OK. Well done Nocturnalist. Hope you achieved whatever end result you were chasing. I think you may have proved you are an oxygen thief.

Or was there more.....drum roll..............







Good to see you are now with the program you ass.  :clap: :clap: :clap: :asthing: :asthing: :asthing:
See I knew with a large IQ like yours the Lion of Gestalt would (what's that phrase?) "connect the dots"

Big hand for Nocti everyone  :clap: a clever, clever man male and a wonderful human being
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 03, 2008, 04:49:45 PM
And HE called me slow. Shit, if we were in a greyhound race, I'd have passed the finish line before he got out of the gate. As I said, closet intellectuals; too busy finding their way out of the overcoats at the back to notice that things are progressing in the real world. He's like a sloth on the verge of becomeing a newt... he'll get better, but don't hold your breath waiting. I bet his last 'conquest' just lay back and smoked a pack of Pall Malls while he was cracking a fat. Couldn't get satisfied, so he (because I doubt Nocti would be chasing skirt) decided to tug off. Took his 'conquest' about 20 orgasms before Nocti got to the pre-cum stage, then Nocti lost his fat and gave up in a blubbering heap. His 'conquest' was later seen leaving Nocti's flat, and when viewed up closely, it seemed that it was... wait for it... TheZach. No wonder Nocti was here trying to justify his protection of him on Gaystalt. Yes, Gestalt, the 'Blue Oyster' of the internet, where men are men and the sheep are nervous as hell. I hear they back up better if you use a cliff......
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The Member Formerly Known As Sophist on August 03, 2008, 05:32:52 PM
Hmm, has anybody else noticed how similar these two statements are? 

Quote from: Michael Savage
Autism -- everybody has an illness. If I behaved like a fool, my father called me a fool. And he said to me, "Don't behave like a fool." The worst thing he said -- "Don't behave like a fool. Don't be anybody's dummy. Don't sound like an idiot. Don't act like a girl. Don't cry." That's what I was raised with. That's what you should raise your children with. Stop with the sensitivity training. You're turning your son into a girl, and you're turning your nation into a nation of losers and beaten men. That's why we have the politicians we have.

Quote from: The Chosen One
Oh, and Crocturdnalist, no, I haven't started yet. I'm only getting warmed up. You, however, are fading into obscurity like the pissweak little whining prat you are. Did your dad ever smack you for givbing him the shits while he was checking the form guide? No? Oh, that's right, you fairies don't believe in discipline such as corporal punishment. Maybe a good clip around the ear-hole would have knocked some sense into that addled brain of yours. But then again, I guess maybe that might not even work, given that we'd have trouble finding a brain inside that cavernous skull of yours.

Just smack those kids around a bit more :slap: that'll learn 'em. Seems to have done wonders for both Savage and Chosen One.  ::)
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 03, 2008, 05:40:40 PM
Hmm, has anybody else noticed how similar these two statements are? 

Quote from: Michael Savage
Autism -- everybody has an illness. If I behaved like a fool, my father called me a fool. And he said to me, "Don't behave like a fool." The worst thing he said -- "Don't behave like a fool. Don't be anybody's dummy. Don't sound like an idiot. Don't act like a girl. Don't cry." That's what I was raised with. That's what you should raise your children with. Stop with the sensitivity training. You're turning your son into a girl, and you're turning your nation into a nation of losers and beaten men. That's why we have the politicians we have.

Quote from: The Chosen One
Oh, and Crocturdnalist, no, I haven't started yet. I'm only getting warmed up. You, however, are fading into obscurity like the pissweak little whining prat you are. Did your dad ever smack you for givbing him the shits while he was checking the form guide? No? Oh, that's right, you fairies don't believe in discipline such as corporal punishment. Maybe a good clip around the ear-hole would have knocked some sense into that addled brain of yours. But then again, I guess maybe that might not even work, given that we'd have trouble finding a brain inside that cavernous skull of yours.


Just smack those kids around a bit more :slap: that'll learn 'em. Seems to have done wonders for both Savage and Chosen One.  ::)

Except I rarely needed it. And as for this Savage bloke (Lily's brother, maybe?); never heard of him before seeing his name on Wankplanet. Now I happen to believe in a bit of corporal punishment (as opposed to beating the shit out of kids), and I believe that the more discipline people have when they are younger, the less they are likely to become fuckwits and morons in adult life. Obviously Nocti had the run of the house......
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The Member Formerly Known As Sophist on August 03, 2008, 06:44:07 PM
There's a difference between discipline and aggression. Which is the entire reason there's such an anti-physical punishment movement amongst parents nowadays, like spanking, etc., mainly because many individuals in the past didn't comprehend that difference and beat the shit outta kids in the guise of "discipline". --So it's the rubberband effect where parents are prone to give too little discpline.

Setting boundaries, making limits, being the parent (as opposed to the child's "best friend"), and enforcing consequences are all possible without taking out the razor strap-- or, might I add, clipping a kid about the ear.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 03, 2008, 08:10:57 PM
There's a difference between discipline and aggression. Which is the entire reason there's such an anti-physical punishment movement amongst parents nowadays, like spanking, etc., mainly because many individuals in the past didn't comprehend that difference and beat the shit outta kids in the guise of "discipline". --So it's the rubberband effect where parents are prone to give too little discpline.

Setting boundaries, making limits, being the parent (as opposed to the child's "best friend"), and enforcing consequences are all possible without taking out the razor strap-- or, might I add, clipping a kid about the ear.

Which is total bullshit, because the kids in today's society run rampant and laugh at authority. Had we still had the discipline of the 60s and earlier, like the strap at school and a clip across the ear now and then, then there would be less violence in the schoolground, and less violence on the streets. It's protectionist nanny pseudo-intellectuals who know fuck all about raising kids while writing books on the subject who have fucked things up entirely. Time-outs don't work for kids when they have all the luxuriies in their rooms. Setting boundaries does fuck all when the kid says 'no, fuck that. I'll do what I want! And you can't stop me!' The crap on about so called rights. The only rights they should have are the rights that their parents give them, and the authorities that set the rules. The day that 'spare the rod and spoil the child' went out the window was the first step to the bullshit we have in the school system and the gang violence we have on the streets. Generation Y is a direct result of Nanny state discipline, and have a lot to answer for.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 03, 2008, 10:09:15 PM
Well, if there is no further business beyond simple name-calling, if the threesome find that fun then they are welcome to continue it, I'll not bother unless I have something I wish to add. :yawn:

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Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Pyraxis on August 03, 2008, 10:39:17 PM
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Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 04, 2008, 12:53:30 AM
I think he meant something smells to high heaven. Probably Nocturnalist's feet. Or his breath. Or both.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 04, 2008, 04:23:35 AM
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 :pwned:

No. FAIL.

Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 04, 2008, 04:28:46 AM
 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Nocti, have you been advertising again?

 :pwned: well ans truly.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The Member Formerly Known As Sophist on August 04, 2008, 07:48:30 AM
There's a difference between discipline and aggression. Which is the entire reason there's such an anti-physical punishment movement amongst parents nowadays, like spanking, etc., mainly because many individuals in the past didn't comprehend that difference and beat the shit outta kids in the guise of "discipline". --So it's the rubberband effect where parents are prone to give too little discpline.

Setting boundaries, making limits, being the parent (as opposed to the child's "best friend"), and enforcing consequences are all possible without taking out the razor strap-- or, might I add, clipping a kid about the ear.

Which is total bullshit, because the kids in today's society run rampant and laugh at authority. Had we still had the discipline of the 60s and earlier, like the strap at school and a clip across the ear now and then, then there would be less violence in the schoolground, and less violence on the streets. It's protectionist nanny pseudo-intellectuals who know fuck all about raising kids while writing books on the subject who have fucked things up entirely. Time-outs don't work for kids when they have all the luxuriies in their rooms. Setting boundaries does fuck all when the kid says 'no, fuck that. I'll do what I want! And you can't stop me!' The crap on about so called rights. The only rights they should have are the rights that their parents give them, and the authorities that set the rules. The day that 'spare the rod and spoil the child' went out the window was the first step to the bullshit we have in the school system and the gang violence we have on the streets. Generation Y is a direct result of Nanny state discipline, and have a lot to answer for.

Once again, clearly you are not comprehending the differences between:

1. this so-called sensitivity training and being the kid's "friend"
2. true discipline with well-defined parent/child roles and appropriate boundaries
3. beating the fuck out of your kid

Gosh, gee, I know the differences are so SUBTLE, Chosen One, so let me explain a little further. The first option lets the child run amok (one which it sounds like the both of us thinks is a crock of shit, no?); the second is where physical means are usually not used but discipline and consequences are still properly enforced-- at the same time the child doesn't fear getting the crap beat out of him for doing something wrong; and third, your option, is where the answer is physical. So in your alternative, the child only learns to avoid certain things just out of fear... so once the parent is no longer in the picture to clip the person about the ear (like say when the kid grows up), then they're more prone to revert to doing what they like.

Is fear an unuseful motivator? No, absolutely not. Should it be the answer to a child's development? I hope not.

In 1 and 3, the person remains the moral equivalent of a 3 yo who fears getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Ideally, the 2nd option instills responsibility in the child, something they can take with them through life, since it is more of a cooperative relationship rather than the parent beating the shit out of the child and the child just submitting to avoid further pain.

I know it's subtle, but...  ::)
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 04, 2008, 08:31:26 AM
There's a difference between discipline and aggression. Which is the entire reason there's such an anti-physical punishment movement amongst parents nowadays, like spanking, etc., mainly because many individuals in the past didn't comprehend that difference and beat the shit outta kids in the guise of "discipline". --So it's the rubberband effect where parents are prone to give too little discpline.

Setting boundaries, making limits, being the parent (as opposed to the child's "best friend"), and enforcing consequences are all possible without taking out the razor strap-- or, might I add, clipping a kid about the ear.

Which is total bullshit, because the kids in today's society run rampant and laugh at authority. Had we still had the discipline of the 60s and earlier, like the strap at school and a clip across the ear now and then, then there would be less violence in the schoolground, and less violence on the streets. It's protectionist nanny pseudo-intellectuals who know fuck all about raising kids while writing books on the subject who have fucked things up entirely. Time-outs don't work for kids when they have all the luxuriies in their rooms. Setting boundaries does fuck all when the kid says 'no, fuck that. I'll do what I want! And you can't stop me!' The crap on about so called rights. The only rights they should have are the rights that their parents give them, and the authorities that set the rules. The day that 'spare the rod and spoil the child' went out the window was the first step to the bullshit we have in the school system and the gang violence we have on the streets. Generation Y is a direct result of Nanny state discipline, and have a lot to answer for.

Once again, clearly you are not comprehending the differences between:

1. this so-called sensitivity training and being the kid's "friend"
2. true discipline with well-defined parent/child roles and appropriate boundaries
3. beating the fuck out of your kid

Gosh, gee, I know the differences are so SUBTLE, Chosen One, so let me explain a little further. The first option lets the child run amok (one which it sounds like the both of us thinks is a crock of shit, no?); the second is where physical means are usually not used but discipline and consequences are still properly enforced-- at the same time the child doesn't fear getting the crap beat out of him for doing something wrong; and third, your option, is where the answer is physical. So in your alternative, the child only learns to avoid certain things just out of fear... so once the parent is no longer in the picture to clip the person about the ear (like say when the kid grows up), then they're more prone to revert to doing what they like.

Is fear an unuseful motivator? No, absolutely not. Should it be the answer to a child's development? I hope not.

In 1 and 3, the person remains the moral equivalent of a 3 yo who fears getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Ideally, the 2nd option instills responsibility in the child, something they can take with them through life, since it is more of a cooperative relationship rather than the parent beating the shit out of the child and the child just submitting to avoid further pain.

I know it's subtle, but...  ::)

Yes and no Sophist. I think that, and I am not arguing rights or wrongs here, a kid (or adult) "doing what they like when the parent is not there to clip them under the ear" is not nearly a foregone conclusion and I think you know that. It is simplifying the argument. Much in the way our fears or "self-imposed" values, desires, and hopes as adults ARE precisely because when the parent stops giving ourselves a hard time we become the parents and the inhibitors to our growth and pleasure.
The parent may be dead and buried yet the psychological modification on an impressionable mind runs deep impressions in the values of the adult mind.
THis is not to say that the "fear " is still there but the unpalatableness of a behaviour or the desire to avert a set behaviour may remain. The mind has matured and the adult has their own mores and values yet there are certain things.....

But look at me gibbering about psychology to someone who is trained in psychology and probably unleash a Pandora's Box of psychological-analytical kick-arsery on me. :o It is 12:30am I ought to be in bed. Night.  :asthing:
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Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 04, 2008, 04:55:56 PM
But thie thing is Sophist, you clearly have missed the point, as all psychologists before seem to have. Years ago here, if a cop ran across a kid fucking around, he would give them a good kick in the arse and forcibly take the kid home and tell his/her parents what they'd been up to. Authority was respected then, because the kid also copped a hiding from his/her parents and never fucked up again. Compare that to today, where the soft approach is taken by people who know nothing about raising kids at all, and those kids run amok, spraying graffiti, stealing radios, assaulting and robbing old people, and even toting guns at school (Columbine). They are told by counsellors and psychologists they they have the right to report abuse (which these pseudo intellectuals have told them spanking is), and thus think they can get away with murder. Have you raised children or been in a position to see what children are like growing up? No? Then obviously you know nothing about what you are talking about. I benefitted from discipline at school and home, and if I fucked up, i knew the consequences of my actions. It's called TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR ONES ACTIONS. You don't have proper discipline or authority, you get chaos, which is what we have today. Now you think I might be a bit harsh on the psychological fraternity, but since I haven't seen anything of value come out of them in the way of child rearing and behaviour, I feel that anything they say is likely to be a crock of shit.
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Post by: ApotheosisIV on August 04, 2008, 06:07:50 PM

-- block of text probably mentioning how WP sucks badly


whatever
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The Member Formerly Known As Sophist on August 04, 2008, 07:04:06 PM
There's a difference between discipline and aggression. Which is the entire reason there's such an anti-physical punishment movement amongst parents nowadays, like spanking, etc., mainly because many individuals in the past didn't comprehend that difference and beat the shit outta kids in the guise of "discipline". --So it's the rubberband effect where parents are prone to give too little discpline.

Setting boundaries, making limits, being the parent (as opposed to the child's "best friend"), and enforcing consequences are all possible without taking out the razor strap-- or, might I add, clipping a kid about the ear.

Which is total bullshit, because the kids in today's society run rampant and laugh at authority. Had we still had the discipline of the 60s and earlier, like the strap at school and a clip across the ear now and then, then there would be less violence in the schoolground, and less violence on the streets. It's protectionist nanny pseudo-intellectuals who know fuck all about raising kids while writing books on the subject who have fucked things up entirely. Time-outs don't work for kids when they have all the luxuriies in their rooms. Setting boundaries does fuck all when the kid says 'no, fuck that. I'll do what I want! And you can't stop me!' The crap on about so called rights. The only rights they should have are the rights that their parents give them, and the authorities that set the rules. The day that 'spare the rod and spoil the child' went out the window was the first step to the bullshit we have in the school system and the gang violence we have on the streets. Generation Y is a direct result of Nanny state discipline, and have a lot to answer for.

Once again, clearly you are not comprehending the differences between:

1. this so-called sensitivity training and being the kid's "friend"
2. true discipline with well-defined parent/child roles and appropriate boundaries
3. beating the fuck out of your kid

Gosh, gee, I know the differences are so SUBTLE, Chosen One, so let me explain a little further. The first option lets the child run amok (one which it sounds like the both of us thinks is a crock of shit, no?); the second is where physical means are usually not used but discipline and consequences are still properly enforced-- at the same time the child doesn't fear getting the crap beat out of him for doing something wrong; and third, your option, is where the answer is physical. So in your alternative, the child only learns to avoid certain things just out of fear... so once the parent is no longer in the picture to clip the person about the ear (like say when the kid grows up), then they're more prone to revert to doing what they like.

Is fear an unuseful motivator? No, absolutely not. Should it be the answer to a child's development? I hope not.

In 1 and 3, the person remains the moral equivalent of a 3 yo who fears getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Ideally, the 2nd option instills responsibility in the child, something they can take with them through life, since it is more of a cooperative relationship rather than the parent beating the shit out of the child and the child just submitting to avoid further pain.

I know it's subtle, but...  ::)

Yes and no Sophist. I think that, and I am not arguing rights or wrongs here, a kid (or adult) "doing what they like when the parent is not there to clip them under the ear" is not nearly a foregone conclusion and I think you know that. It is simplifying the argument. Much in the way our fears or "self-imposed" values, desires, and hopes as adults ARE precisely because when the parent stops giving ourselves a hard time we become the parents and the inhibitors to our growth and pleasure.
The parent may be dead and buried yet the psychological modification on an impressionable mind runs deep impressions in the values of the adult mind.
THis is not to say that the "fear " is still there but the unpalatableness of a behaviour or the desire to avert a set behaviour may remain. The mind has matured and the adult has their own mores and values yet there are certain things.....

But look at me gibbering about psychology to someone who is trained in psychology and probably unleash a Pandora's Box of psychological-analytical kick-arsery on me. :o It is 12:30am I ought to be in bed. Night.  :asthing:

I just think that while fear and desire of avoidance of physical pain are the only disciplines utilized on a child, then s/he will less likely to grow up having internalized those mores and "internal parent" than those children who were taught mental discipline. Am I simplifying this? Yes, I agree with you, I think I am-- merely for the sake of theoretical discussion.

But I feel that physical discipline teaches fear and pain avoidance-- and when one disciplines a child, one is indeed teaching. Using mental discipline teaches self-inhibition and respect.

And, Chosen One, no I am not a parent. I suspect I would make a good parent-- and not the be-your-child's-friend type of parent. Nor, I suspect, would I be the slap-your-child-around-till-he-does-what-you-want sort either. And you use a flawed argument, implying that by my not being a parent, that I cannot possibly speak knowledgeably about parenting and discipline. There will inevitably be experiences which I won't have should I continue to choose not to have children. But that doesn't mean I shouldn't proffer my opinion and that those opinions might not be good. What's more, I have been a child on the receiving end of the type of discipline I am promoting. My mother was not my "friend", she didn't pamper me, and she set boundaries which, because I respected her and she had worked hard to instill that respect, I did not often cross: she did not lay a hand on me. And if I do end up having any children, it is the type of discipline I will use with them, because it utilizes cooperation and fosters respect rather than distance and fear.

If the child doesn't do what you want, that doesn't mean you scream louder and hit harder. That means you use another approach.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 04, 2008, 07:52:34 PM
Yes, I'll give you that one, but what I am referring to is not abuse, it is the once in awhile spanking for misbehaviour that was used quite effectively to instill discipline when I was a kid. I don't have kids either, but I can see from those in society today that the total disregard they have for authority and parents is that they don't fear them. Discipline is meant to be a form of punishment (as well as a way of obeying rules etc), and spanking every now and then doesn't cause any physical harm. Or mental, for that fact. What causes the permanent damage is when you get people beating their kids just for the sake of it, and not really using any form of discipline at all. That is abuse, not a punishment for fucking up or wrongdoing. So if, for eg the kid down the street was getting beaten every day for just the littlest thing, then that would be classed as abuse. But if that same kid only got the strap every now and then for fucking up, and learned by that that he shouldn't do it again, then that is proper dicipline. As I said, time-outs don't work when kids have computers and TVs etc in their rooms; they probably spend most of their time in there anyway; whereas when I was a kid, if I got told to 'go to my room', because I didn't have much in the way of luxuries then, it obviously was meant more in the way of a punishment.

Now do you see the point?
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Post by: Pyraxis on August 04, 2008, 08:24:15 PM
IMO, for discipline to be effective, whether or not physical force is used, the kid has to understand what they did wrong and how not to do it again. If there's mental damage, it comes from the chaos of arbitrary and impossible expectations. When combined with physical force, that would become physical abuse; without the physical force, it would be emotional abuse.

Unfortunately, parents of kids on the spectrum who either don't realize their kid is autistic, or don't understand autism well enough, end up punishing the kids for things which are no fault of their own - like a sensory-induced meltdown in a public place. Or they don't know how to communicate well enough with the kid to tell them what they did wrong, so to the kid it seems to come out of nowhere.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 04, 2008, 09:19:17 PM
Yeah, the reinforcement that why they are being punished in such a way must be upheld as well. If little Johnny has done something wrong, and he was spanked for it, he must have it explained to him, and told that if he fucks up again, that he may receive the same punishment. Abuse of the other hand, is where they continually get beaten for no real reason other than to get beaten.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The Member Formerly Known As Sophist on August 04, 2008, 09:47:32 PM
Yeah, the reinforcement that why they are being punished in such a way must be upheld as well. If little Johnny has done something wrong, and he was spanked for it, he must have it explained to him, and told that if he fucks up again, that he may receive the same punishment. Abuse of the other hand, is where they continually get beaten for no real reason other than to get beaten.

At the same time, just telling the child what they've done wrong and why they're being punished doesn't guarantee the kid will actually "get it". I mean, particularly for younger ages, sometimes they just won't be able to understand. So coming at it from an adult perspective of understanding can create problems.

In which case, having some understanding of neurocognitive developmental stages throughout the lifespan (gasp, Psychology!!!) can be helpful.  :eyebrows:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 04, 2008, 10:24:50 PM
True there, how easy is it to reason with a 2 year old? When you are in a shopping center, and you have a kid that is screaming that they want something, and you don't particualrly want to give in, what can be the first reaction? If used properly, physical discipline can work fine. But when it becomes abusive (which too many people tend to get confused with), then the physical harm happens, and the damage is done. I don't think it is an adult's right to abuse their kids, but I do think that they should be able to use whatever means WITHIN REASON at their disposal to discipline and raise their children.
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Post by: Callaway on August 05, 2008, 12:20:12 AM
Yes, I'll give you that one, but what I am referring to is not abuse, it is the once in awhile spanking for misbehaviour that was used quite effectively to instill discipline when I was a kid. I don't have kids either, but I can see from those in society today that the total disregard they have for authority and parents is that they don't fear them. Discipline is meant to be a form of punishment (as well as a way of obeying rules etc), and spanking every now and then doesn't cause any physical harm. Or mental, for that fact. What causes the permanent damage is when you get people beating their kids just for the sake of it, and not really using any form of discipline at all. That is abuse, not a punishment for fucking up or wrongdoing. So if, for eg the kid down the street was getting beaten every day for just the littlest thing, then that would be classed as abuse. But if that same kid only got the strap every now and then for fucking up, and learned by that that he shouldn't do it again, then that is proper dicipline. As I said, time-outs don't work when kids have computers and TVs etc in their rooms; they probably spend most of their time in there anyway; whereas when I was a kid, if I got told to 'go to my room', because I didn't have much in the way of luxuries then, it obviously was meant more in the way of a punishment.

Now do you see the point?

I think that I see what you are saying, The Chosen One.  I think you are saying that parents should have the right to physically discipline their children if the parents think that is the most appropriate way to deal with certain types of behaviors, assuming that they don't become abusive. 

I was raised sort of like you were and I have spanked my daughter myself a few times, but I think that time outs or other non-physical punishments (such as logical consequences) work better for her for most issues that happen at home and that physical punishment should be more like a last resort rather than the first disciplinary tool for a parent to think of.  The root of discipline is the same as disciple and it means to teach someone.  I think that when a parent sends their child to her room, it does not necessarily have to be extremely punitive for it to be effective.  My daughter does not have a television or computer or any sort of video games in her bedroom, but the point of sending her to her room is usually for her to gain some control over herself, so if she picks up a book and reads it, I don't think that is counterproductive to that purpose.

My first reaction to her screaming for something in a store would not be to smack her.  I would probably take her out of the store, and she would never get the thing she was screaming for.  She really didn't do a lot of that, though.  She might melt down in a store, but not because she wanted something she didn't get. 

Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 05, 2008, 12:50:34 AM
Thank you Callaway.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 05, 2008, 02:55:43 AM
 :indeed:

As little kids the smack bottom was the prime motivation for my kids to stop indulging in "naughty" behaviour. As they got older the "count to three" was implemented. They then got a "choice" of whether or not they wanted to "push it". They also saw right away that what they are doing is wrong and ave an opportunity to stop and work towards resolution. This has been replaced by me holding up fingers. I don't think I have smacked my kids bottom for .....maybe 4 or five years. I don't know if they take the threat seriously anymore. What I do know is that they have excellent manners but when they slip up they do acknowledge their flaw and apologise. They are lovely kids with great values. They police their own behaviour and now what is expected and acceptable.

I have big issues with the PC police and of psychology in general as being shown as anything more than educated guesses and studies on educated guesses.

Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 05, 2008, 07:15:20 AM
:indeed:

As little kids the smack bottom was the prime motivation for my kids to stop indulging in "naughty" behaviour. As they got older the "count to three" was implemented. They then got a "choice" of whether or not they wanted to "push it". They also saw right away that what they are doing is wrong and ave an opportunity to stop and work towards resolution. This has been replaced by me holding up fingers. I don't think I have smacked my kids bottom for .....maybe 4 or five years. I don't know if they take the threat seriously anymore. What I do know is that they have excellent manners but when they slip up they do acknowledge their flaw and apologise. They are lovely kids with great values. They police their own behaviour and now what is expected and acceptable.

I have big issues with the PC police and of psychology in general as being shown as anything more than educated guesses and studies on educated guesses.


Yeah, and I know a number of parents who said they would "never smack their kids". The resolution usually lasted until the first one hit the terrible twos. Time-outs work with older kids (sometimes) but a quick swat speaks volumes. Once a kid realises that stacking on a turn leads to a smacked bum AND not getting what they want, most catch on pretty darned quickly.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The Member Formerly Known As Sophist on August 05, 2008, 08:35:30 AM
but I do think that they should be able to use whatever means WITHIN REASON at their disposal to discipline and raise their children.

I do as well, I just think that using physical means is an unwieldy tool that even the best of parents could let it get away from them. Therefore, should generally be avoided. With such a tool, there can be a blurry line between discipline and abuse and it's too easy to cross over because parents aren't perfect.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Natalia Evans on August 05, 2008, 12:31:39 PM
I was spanked a lot when I was a kid. It was also because my mother would lose her temper for something I did and hit me for it. She said she had to work on it really hard not spank us kids because it was something done to her as a child. She certainly didn't want to do it to her own kids. She believes when a child gets to Kindergarten, they are too old for spankings, it is now done when they are really really naughty. She also believes you warn the child first before you spank them. You tell them not to do something and if they keep disobeying you, you ask them "Do you want a spanking?" If you spank them for no reason, they are not going to understand what they did wrong so therefore they will not learn.


But unfortunately it taught me it was okay to hit, so here I was hitting my own brothers and slapping their mouths and doing the same to my friends but I never did it in school because "it wasn't school behavior." Hitting was not allowed in school but at home it was allowed. I was ten when my mother finally told me only parents can spank their kids, kids cannot spank other kids because it is not their job.
I even treated my own brothers like they were my sons too. I copied my mother's behavior. Another funny thing, I would do the same to her like the time I said when I was six "If you say that again I will slap your mouth." She sent me to my room and I didn't know why.
My shrink said when I was 17 I took it all literal and my boyfriend said the same too. How do other children know on their own only parents can do that, not them?

Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ApotheosisIV on August 05, 2008, 01:37:57 PM
More children should be beaten.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Lucifer on August 05, 2008, 03:48:22 PM
More children should be beaten.

can we start with the 12 year old fucktard next door?  we could all take turns - the one who delivers the killing blow will be my friend for life.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on August 05, 2008, 04:36:18 PM

Sir_Les, you misread me, I like you with a degree of respect, but, I don't see your points a lot of the time.  So, I'll keep my piehole shut in regards  to your opinions in the future.

Have a good life!

Peace

Hey Ozy. Wasn't having a go at you. Quite the opposite. I thought it was quite funny to see Nocti lap up the attention and try to impress you with his troll hunting story. It sounded brave but humble and made him sound strong yet almost.......human.  :wanker:

When I say "have a good life", it means your gone from mine .................PERMANENTLY (semi).   The doors not completely shut, hell, I forgave the guys who raped and abused me.  It just means I will not waste precious brain cells on trivial shit and individuals.   As time goes on and I see worthwhile reasons to change my mind I will do so.  Pragmatism and moderation are my life philosophies.  I just need a reason to do so! 
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Post by: ozymandias on August 05, 2008, 04:45:45 PM
Quote
Quote from: Ozymandias
Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of these forum battles spilling over into other innocent  forums.  Sir_Les went after Timelord on AspergianPride from a feud on AI.  I smacked that down on AI and warned Bonnie on AP about what she was dealing with.

Ahhh, so someone else has noticed Les's nasty behaviour.


I am not calling Sir Les's behavior "nasty".  But, TimeLord needed a "smackdown" and I was fully prepared to smack down everybody else involved.  Bonnie on AP deserved to be warned on what she was dealing with as I consider her a friend and worthy of my loyalty. 
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Post by: ozymandias on August 05, 2008, 04:49:37 PM
This isn't popcorn-worthy anymore. Sorry.

Agreed! :yawn:
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Post by: DirtDawg on August 05, 2008, 05:14:10 PM
May I have the popcorn for my compost heap?
I am Teh CompostK9
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 05, 2008, 05:19:20 PM
No, we were going to lace it with cyanide and use it as a suppository on Nocti. Given that he has taken it up the arse here, he should be used to it.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 06, 2008, 05:13:47 AM

Sir_Les, you misread me, I like you with a degree of respect, but, I don't see your points a lot of the time.  So, I'll keep my piehole shut in regards  to your opinions in the future.

Have a good life!

Peace

Hey Ozy. Wasn't having a go at you. Quite the opposite. I thought it was quite funny to see Nocti lap up the attention and try to impress you with his troll hunting story. It sounded brave but humble and made him sound strong yet almost.......human.  :wanker:

When I say "have a good life", it means your gone from mine .................PERMANENTLY (semi).   The doors not completely shut, hell, I forgave the guys who raped and abused me.  It just means I will not waste precious brain cells on trivial shit and individuals.   As time goes on and I see worthwhile reasons to change my mind I will do so.  Pragmatism and moderation are my life philosophies.  I just need a reason to do so! 

Very melodramatic Ozy. No seriously.
Whatis it you are wanting or expecting here Ozy? That after inferring that though you are forgiving of people that sexually assaulted you that I am "hard-pushed" to earn "your forgiveness?". No Oz. Not only have I done nothing to you but I don't play those games, even if I had.
I won't tell you to go fuck yourself, but get over yourself and when you feel like being reasonable, my Pm is open and I will be reasonable in return.
I like you Ozy and I think it is a shame you seem to have lost it.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on August 06, 2008, 10:18:09 AM

Sir_Les, you misread me, I like you with a degree of respect, but, I don't see your points a lot of the time.  So, I'll keep my piehole shut in regards  to your opinions in the future.

Have a good life!

Peace

Hey Ozy. Wasn't having a go at you. Quite the opposite. I thought it was quite funny to see Nocti lap up the attention and try to impress you with his troll hunting story. It sounded brave but humble and made him sound strong yet almost.......human.  :wanker:

When I say "have a good life", it means your gone from mine .................PERMANENTLY (semi).   The doors not completely shut, hell, I forgave the guys who raped and abused me.  It just means I will not waste precious brain cells on trivial shit and individuals.   As time goes on and I see worthwhile reasons to change my mind I will do so.  Pragmatism and moderation are my life philosophies.  I just need a reason to do so! 

Very melodramatic Ozy. No seriously.
Whatis it you are wanting or expecting here Ozy? That after inferring that though you are forgiving of people that sexually assaulted you that I am "hard-pushed" to earn "your forgiveness?". No Oz. Not only have I done nothing to you but I don't play those games, even if I had.
I won't tell you to go fuck yourself, but get over yourself and when you feel like being reasonable, my Pm is open and I will be reasonable in return.
I like you Ozy and I think it is a shame you seem to have lost it.

<sigh>  I guess, I'm not very good at making myself clear when I get frazzled and such.  No, you haven't done anything to me and I was referring to other times and events.  At the moment, I am feeling frustrated with the weather, tasks unable to complete, multiple long distance driving events, etc, etc, etc.   :violin:  It's not a game, it's just stuff overflowing in the emo range and it seems I have lost it.  If there is a male version of PMS or Menopause, I think I'm knee deep in the hoopla.   HELL, I'm having serious pains and stiffness in my shoulders and hips,  (where's the old geezer emoticon?)  I am in need of "serious" fun and distraction and/or solitude.  I can't wait to get the results of my psych evaluation.   ::)  Life sucks somedays!
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The Member Formerly Known As Sophist on August 06, 2008, 11:13:32 AM
No, we were going to lace it with cyanide and use it as a suppository on Nocti. Given that he has taken it up the arse here, he should be used to it.

Sorry, there's no more popcorn left. odeon ate it all.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: DirtDawg on August 06, 2008, 01:33:01 PM
No, we were going to lace it with cyanide and use it as a suppository on Nocti. Given that he has taken it up the arse here, he should be used to it.

Sorry, there's no more popcorn left. odeon ate it all.

Oh, I see.

Well, I don't want it, NOW. He can keep it.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The Member Formerly Known As Sophist on August 06, 2008, 01:50:49 PM
No, we were going to lace it with cyanide and use it as a suppository on Nocti. Given that he has taken it up the arse here, he should be used to it.

Sorry, there's no more popcorn left. odeon ate it all.

Oh, I see.

Well, I don't want it, NOW. He can keep it.

Ya never know, he might be willing to give it back. :LOL:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: DirtDawg on August 06, 2008, 02:31:34 PM
No, we were going to lace it with cyanide and use it as a suppository on Nocti. Given that he has taken it up the arse here, he should be used to it.

Sorry, there's no more popcorn left. odeon ate it all.

Oh, I see.

Well, I don't want it, NOW. He can keep it.

Ya never know, he might be willing to give it back. :LOL:

Not at all worried about the inclusion of cyanides, because an active population of various healthy bacterial colonies will break down most toxins into harmless compounds. In fact I actually put plant materials into the compost heap which are heavy with cyanides, such as laurels. Millipedes, which feed on the woody parts, speeding up the processes, also exude cyanide naturally as a deterrent to predators.  No problem!
Human waste, on the other hand, is very dangerous due to viral and bacterial pathogens which are still quite active and still quite dangerous to humans.
I don't want the popcorn back, even if he might be willing to share.

:D
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Post by: odeon on August 06, 2008, 02:33:22 PM
May I have the popcorn for my compost heap?
I am Teh CompostK9

Sure. Happy to.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Lucifer on August 06, 2008, 03:35:42 PM
No, we were going to lace it with cyanide and use it as a suppository on Nocti. Given that he has taken it up the arse here, he should be used to it.

Sorry, there's no more popcorn left. odeon ate it all.

Oh, I see.

Well, I don't want it, NOW. He can keep it.

he doesn't like popcorn, so you'd be quite safe: it won't have been handled, let alone ingested.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on August 06, 2008, 03:36:37 PM
I'm a weird kind of projectionist, me.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Lucifer on August 06, 2008, 04:12:42 PM
I'm a weird kind of projectionist, me.

but you should see what he can do with his projection.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on August 06, 2008, 05:16:46 PM
I'm a weird kind of projectionist, me.

but you should see what he can do with his projection.

 :pinocchio:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 06, 2008, 05:41:58 PM
Hey, that reminds me of that Steve Martin flick.'Roxanne'. Bet he could sniff out all sorts of crevices with that....  :evillaugh:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: punkdrew on August 06, 2008, 06:04:25 PM
Hmm, has anybody else noticed how similar these two statements are? 

Quote from: Michael Savage
Autism -- everybody has an illness. If I behaved like a fool, my father called me a fool. And he said to me, "Don't behave like a fool." The worst thing he said -- "Don't behave like a fool. Don't be anybody's dummy. Don't sound like an idiot. Don't act like a girl. Don't cry." That's what I was raised with. That's what you should raise your children with. Stop with the sensitivity training. You're turning your son into a girl, and you're turning your nation into a nation of losers and beaten men. That's why we have the politicians we have.

Quote from: The Chosen One
Oh, and Crocturdnalist, no, I haven't started yet. I'm only getting warmed up. You, however, are fading into obscurity like the pissweak little whining prat you are. Did your dad ever smack you for givbing him the shits while he was checking the form guide? No? Oh, that's right, you fairies don't believe in discipline such as corporal punishment. Maybe a good clip around the ear-hole would have knocked some sense into that addled brain of yours. But then again, I guess maybe that might not even work, given that we'd have trouble finding a brain inside that cavernous skull of yours.


Just smack those kids around a bit more :slap: that'll learn 'em. Seems to have done wonders for both Savage and Chosen One.  ::)

Except I rarely needed it. And as for this Savage bloke (Lily's brother, maybe?); never heard of him before seeing his name on Wankplanet. Now I happen to believe in a bit of corporal punishment (as opposed to beating the shit out of kids), and I believe that the more discipline people have when they are younger, the less they are likely to become fuckwits and morons in adult life. Obviously Nocti had the run of the house......

Sounds like a quote from a certain neocon author. The Savage quote, I mean. Can't say sure--it's so hard to tell those neocon fucktards apart just from their rhetoric.

Well, this thread wasn't very interesting, and with the non-participation of the Zack, even less so. So like Odeon, I will take my popcorn and go elsewhere.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on August 06, 2008, 08:06:55 PM
Hmm, has anybody else noticed how similar these two statements are? 

Quote from: Michael Savage
Autism -- everybody has an illness. If I behaved like a fool, my father called me a fool. And he said to me, "Don't behave like a fool." The worst thing he said -- "Don't behave like a fool. Don't be anybody's dummy. Don't sound like an idiot. Don't act like a girl. Don't cry." That's what I was raised with. That's what you should raise your children with. Stop with the sensitivity training. You're turning your son into a girl, and you're turning your nation into a nation of losers and beaten men. That's why we have the politicians we have.

Quote from: The Chosen One
Oh, and Crocturdnalist, no, I haven't started yet. I'm only getting warmed up. You, however, are fading into obscurity like the pissweak little whining prat you are. Did your dad ever smack you for givbing him the shits while he was checking the form guide? No? Oh, that's right, you fairies don't believe in discipline such as corporal punishment. Maybe a good clip around the ear-hole would have knocked some sense into that addled brain of yours. But then again, I guess maybe that might not even work, given that we'd have trouble finding a brain inside that cavernous skull of yours.


Just smack those kids around a bit more :slap: that'll learn 'em. Seems to have done wonders for both Savage and Chosen One.  ::)

Except I rarely needed it. And as for this Savage bloke (Lily's brother, maybe?); never heard of him before seeing his name on Wankplanet. Now I happen to believe in a bit of corporal punishment (as opposed to beating the shit out of kids), and I believe that the more discipline people have when they are younger, the less they are likely to become fuckwits and morons in adult life. Obviously Nocti had the run of the house......

Sounds like a quote from a certain neocon author. The Savage quote, I mean. Can't say sure--it's so hard to tell those neocon fucktards apart just from their rhetoric.

Well, this thread wasn't very interesting, and with the non-participation of the Zack, even less so. So like Odeon, I will take my popcorn and go elsewhere.

I find the popcorn tastes better watching good shit, rather than watching the endless emo drama llama.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Lucifer on August 07, 2008, 02:20:10 AM
Hey, that reminds me of that Steve Martin flick.'Roxanne'. Bet he could sniff out all sorts of crevices with that....  :evillaugh:

it reminds me of lindsay kemp's film version of "a midsummer night's dream."  now there's a film to give you ideas...
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 28, 2008, 04:41:05 AM
I have it on good authority that the Zach is annoying the people on AFF with  :wanker:y comments.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 29, 2008, 08:08:04 AM
Yeah it is true. He keeps posting shit and the other people on the forum call him out for it and the Admins delete his comments or lock his threads. Same shit - same arguments and he will get bored and leave or they will ban him. I want him to stay because I like responding to him but he is pissing off the rest of the board.
Having said that however I think I and the rest of the people at AFF may be biased and Nocturnalist may be able to sing TheZach's graces. I mean TheZach was his prime motivation coming here.............. :lol:
I think it is time for bed.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 29, 2008, 09:54:39 AM
...Nocturnalist may be able to sing TheZach's graces. I mean TheZach was his prime motivation coming here.............. :lol:

I do not believe I have ever sung Zach's praises here or anywhere on the net... perhaps you'd like to point me to a post where you think I have so that I can see what you mean and perhaps clarify or apologise for my forgetfulness. I may have responded positively to an individual post of his on Gestalt or said he should not be bullied, but that is not the same as me singing his praises as a person.

Zach also was not my prime motivation for coming to I2 either - I couldn't give two hoots about you attacking Zach, so long as you don't start a fight with him on Gestalt, or he with you. Initially I checked I2 out because of your complaint about me over at Gestalt... so I came over to check this thread and work out a sequence of events to double check whether I had been unfair to you or not (nothing to do with Zach except he was the person you were targetting when you first joined Gestalt). The thread convinced me that I had not been unfair to you in the least - I think it makes your motivations for joining Gestalt perfectly clear. I then joined I2 basically because I wanted to save myself the bother of having to work out the English times you posted to this thread and I felt uncomfortable about just lurking and thought it perhaps a cowardly thing to do without joining.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on August 29, 2008, 11:13:24 AM
When I saw TimeLord banned at AFF, I felt considerably less guilty for banning him from AI.   8)
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 29, 2008, 07:36:45 PM
Hope the Daleks get him.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 30, 2008, 05:22:50 AM
...Nocturnalist may be able to sing TheZach's graces. I mean TheZach was his prime motivation coming here.............. :lol:

I do not believe I have ever sung Zach's praises here or anywhere on the net... perhaps you'd like to point me to a post where you think I have so that I can see what you mean and perhaps clarify or apologise for my forgetfulness. I may have responded positively to an individual post of his on Gestalt or said he should not be bullied, but that is not the same as me singing his praises as a person.

Zach also was not my prime motivation for coming to I2 either - I couldn't give two hoots about you attacking Zach, so long as you don't start a fight with him on Gestalt, or he with you. Initially I checked I2 out because of your complaint about me over at Gestalt... so I came over to check this thread and work out a sequence of events to double check whether I had been unfair to you or not (nothing to do with Zach except he was the person you were targetting when you first joined Gestalt). The thread convinced me that I had not been unfair to you in the least - I think it makes your motivations for joining Gestalt perfectly clear. I then joined I2 basically because I wanted to save myself the bother of having to work out the English times you posted to this thread and I felt uncomfortable about just lurking and thought it perhaps a cowardly thing to do without joining.

You know I think you almost even convince yourself of this, you ass.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 30, 2008, 05:31:33 AM
When I saw TimeLord banned at AFF, I felt considerably less guilty for banning him from AI.   8)

Don't feel at all sorry for him. Ask Callaway, the guy is not a nice bloke. I have court action against him next month. Hopefully it all goes well.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Callaway on August 30, 2008, 06:02:02 AM
...Nocturnalist may be able to sing TheZach's graces. I mean TheZach was his prime motivation coming here.............. :lol:

I do not believe I have ever sung Zach's praises here or anywhere on the net... perhaps you'd like to point me to a post where you think I have so that I can see what you mean and perhaps clarify or apologise for my forgetfulness. I may have responded positively to an individual post of his on Gestalt or said he should not be bullied, but that is not the same as me singing his praises as a person.

Zach also was not my prime motivation for coming to I2 either - I couldn't give two hoots about you attacking Zach, so long as you don't start a fight with him on Gestalt, or he with you. Initially I checked I2 out because of your complaint about me over at Gestalt... so I came over to check this thread and work out a sequence of events to double check whether I had been unfair to you or not (nothing to do with Zach except he was the person you were targetting when you first joined Gestalt). The thread convinced me that I had not been unfair to you in the least - I think it makes your motivations for joining Gestalt perfectly clear. I then joined I2 basically because I wanted to save myself the bother of having to work out the English times you posted to this thread and I felt uncomfortable about just lurking and thought it perhaps a cowardly thing to do without joining.

You know I think you almost even convince yourself of this, you ass.

I would think that Nocturnalist is in a better position to know his reasons for joining Intensity than anyone else would be, just like you are in a better position to know your reasons for joining Gestalt.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Callaway on August 30, 2008, 06:03:33 AM
When I saw TimeLord banned at AFF, I felt considerably less guilty for banning him from AI.   8)

Don't feel at all sorry for him. Ask Callaway, the guy is not a nice bloke. I have court action against him next month. Hopefully it all goes well.

Are you suing him?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 30, 2008, 06:23:06 AM
...Nocturnalist may be able to sing TheZach's graces. I mean TheZach was his prime motivation coming here.............. :lol:

I do not believe I have ever sung Zach's praises here or anywhere on the net... perhaps you'd like to point me to a post where you think I have so that I can see what you mean and perhaps clarify or apologise for my forgetfulness. I may have responded positively to an individual post of his on Gestalt or said he should not be bullied, but that is not the same as me singing his praises as a person.

Zach also was not my prime motivation for coming to I2 either - I couldn't give two hoots about you attacking Zach, so long as you don't start a fight with him on Gestalt, or he with you. Initially I checked I2 out because of your complaint about me over at Gestalt... so I came over to check this thread and work out a sequence of events to double check whether I had been unfair to you or not (nothing to do with Zach except he was the person you were targetting when you first joined Gestalt). The thread convinced me that I had not been unfair to you in the least - I think it makes your motivations for joining Gestalt perfectly clear. I then joined I2 basically because I wanted to save myself the bother of having to work out the English times you posted to this thread and I felt uncomfortable about just lurking and thought it perhaps a cowardly thing to do without joining.

You know I think you almost even convince yourself of this, you ass.

I would think that Nocturnalist is in a better position to know his reasons for joining Intensity than anyone else would be, just like you are in a better position to know your reasons for joining Gestalt.

I don't dispute that Callaway. I think he "knows" his reasons and I think the reasons above sound like good reasons. I don't think they are the reasons he joined as convincing as they are. I think he would like them to be the reasons and would like to have others believe them and furthermore I think he is trying in vain to convince himself. Pure speculation on my part. I think he is an ass.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on August 30, 2008, 06:27:17 AM
When I saw TimeLord banned at AFF, I felt considerably less guilty for banning him from AI.   8)

Don't feel at all sorry for him. Ask Callaway, the guy is not a nice bloke. I have court action against him next month. Hopefully it all goes well.

I had a vague feeling at the back of my mind about that, especially when I read his blog spot that pissed off LordPhlexor.  But, I felt guilty for banning anyone, even StupidJerk, but, if push comes to shove, I did what I had to do.  Sometimes, people just don't give me a choice in the matter.  And thats what it all boiled down to, TimeLord gave me no choice!  

Of course now that the Island is gone, the point is moot and better left on the rubbish heap of internet history.  

Good luck with the court case, btw.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 30, 2008, 09:04:00 AM
Same here. Just hope the little fucktard doesn't try to sic someone like Galbally onto you, but i doubt even he would want anything to do with him. David Galbally does have taste, and I doubt defending a prat like that Gallifreyan prick would be worth even getting out of his chair. Obviously vexatious litigants like Timelord and Zach think the courts have nothing better to do than pander to their whims, so as far as this one is concerned, I'd say he hasn't got a hope. But you just never can tell what an imbecile is likely to do. If justice were to be truly served, the judge or magistrate would tell him to fuck off and have him jailed for contempt.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 30, 2008, 05:31:36 PM
...Nocturnalist may be able to sing TheZach's graces. I mean TheZach was his prime motivation coming here.............. :lol:
I do not believe I have ever sung Zach's praises here or anywhere on the net... perhaps you'd like to point me to a post where you think I have so that I can see what you mean and perhaps clarify or apologise for my forgetfulness. I may have responded positively to an individual post of his on Gestalt or said he should not be bullied, but that is not the same as me singing his praises as a person.
You know I think you almost even convince yourself of this, you ass.

Still waiting...
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 30, 2008, 07:59:25 PM
The  :wanker: Zach was still annoying people on AFF yesterday.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 31, 2008, 08:50:07 AM
When I saw TimeLord banned at AFF, I felt considerably less guilty for banning him from AI.   8)

Don't feel at all sorry for him. Ask Callaway, the guy is not a nice bloke. I have court action against him next month. Hopefully it all goes well.

I had a vague feeling at the back of my mind about that, especially when I read his blog spot that pissed off LordPhlexor.  But, I felt guilty for banning anyone, even StupidJerk, but, if push comes to shove, I did what I had to do.  Sometimes, people just don't give me a choice in the matter.  And thats what it all boiled down to, TimeLord gave me no choice! 

Of course now that the Island is gone, the point is moot and better left on the rubbish heap of internet history. 


Good luck with the court case, btw.

Honestly don't feel bad.
This is what he looks like http://dontdatehimgirl.com/posts/137796/
Nice photo huh?
Yeah pretty sick. That is what I found looking for anything he may have written in wrestling forum . (I Googled the moniker "Lucky Phil Lewis" that I got off his website.)
Dunno if it is true but I am going to contact the police and welfare agencies either way.
Don't feel bad about banning him. Not the only allegation I have heard about this behaviour - again don't know if other claims are true or not)
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 31, 2008, 08:57:56 AM
...Nocturnalist may be able to sing TheZach's graces. I mean TheZach was his prime motivation coming here.............. :lol:
I do not believe I have ever sung Zach's praises here or anywhere on the net... perhaps you'd like to point me to a post where you think I have so that I can see what you mean and perhaps clarify or apologise for my forgetfulness. I may have responded positively to an individual post of his on Gestalt or said he should not be bullied, but that is not the same as me singing his praises as a person.
You know I think you almost even convince yourself of this, you ass.

Still waiting...

Ah...OK. So "assuming" tht I made reference to you having already sung TheZach's praise and not that you would (or may) due to the assumption that fighting his callout and worrying that he will get ripped to shreds and promoting how brave and unscathed you were in jumping in here, .....you what? Are so emotionally invested that you are waiting for me to hunt through 367 posts of yours to prove a point only you understand for a purpose that I don't give a shit about? You really are an ass aren't ya Nocti.  :hahaha: Don't change Nocti. Maybe your magnificent IQ will kick in soon and you will make an intelligent point. Lion of Gestalt.  :lol: Ass of Gestalt.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 31, 2008, 09:13:32 AM
Tried clicking on the link, but it was taking too long. Maybe they were too scared to post what he looked like. And if he really is that bad to be on there, maybe he is so ugly that if I was gay, I'd immediately turn straight.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Callaway on August 31, 2008, 10:10:31 AM
Tried clicking on the link, but it was taking too long. Maybe they were too scared to post what he looked like. And if he really is that bad to be on there, maybe he is so ugly that if I was gay, I'd immediately turn straight.

I saw a very serious allegation there a woman he is supposed to have dated made about his deviant conduct with her four year old son, as well as his claim that there was nothing wrong with his actions because he has Asperger Syndrome.  She cautions other women to hide their children away from this man.

Attached is the picture displayed there that is supposed to be of Timelord:

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Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on August 31, 2008, 11:17:51 AM
When I saw TimeLord banned at AFF, I felt considerably less guilty for banning him from AI.   8)

Don't feel at all sorry for him. Ask Callaway, the guy is not a nice bloke. I have court action against him next month. Hopefully it all goes well.

I had a vague feeling at the back of my mind about that, especially when I read his blog spot that pissed off LordPhlexor.  But, I felt guilty for banning anyone, even StupidJerk, but, if push comes to shove, I did what I had to do.  Sometimes, people just don't give me a choice in the matter.  And thats what it all boiled down to, TimeLord gave me no choice! 

Of course now that the Island is gone, the point is moot and better left on the rubbish heap of internet history. 


Good luck with the court case, btw.

Honestly don't feel bad.
This is what he looks like http://dontdatehimgirl.com/posts/137796/
Nice photo huh?
Yeah pretty sick. That is what I found looking for anything he may have written in wrestling forum . (I Googled the moniker "Lucky Phil Lewis" that I got off his website.)
Dunno if it is true but I am going to contact the police and welfare agencies either way.
Don't feel bad about banning him. Not the only allegation I have heard about this behaviour - again don't know if other claims are true or not)

The part about him claiming he does nothing wrong, in anything, certainly rings true.   Whatever, I don't have to deal with him anymore.  In fact it's nice NOT being an admin. anywhere.  :green:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on August 31, 2008, 11:21:10 AM
Tried clicking on the link, but it was taking too long. Maybe they were too scared to post what he looked like. And if he really is that bad to be on there, maybe he is so ugly that if I was gay, I'd immediately turn straight.

I saw a very serious allegation there a woman he is supposed to have dated made about his deviant conduct with her four year old son, as well as his claim that there was nothing wrong with his actions because he has Asperger Syndrome.  She cautions other women to hide their children away from this man.

Attached is the picture displayed there that is supposed to be of Timelord:

He has said he works as a referee in Australian Rugby or whatever it's called Down Under.  I invited him to come here when his battle with LordPhlexor was reaching it's peak on the Island.  But, he refused saying some pretty flimsy excuses why he didn't want to take the fight here.   ::)  I can't remember what exactly, but, I felt it was a flimsy reason. 
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 31, 2008, 01:49:52 PM
...that I don't give a shit about?

Well, you were the one who brought it up. ::)

You don't seem very able-minded when put on the spot about the assertions you make, are you Les. Especially when it comes to your own behaviour.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on August 31, 2008, 03:10:10 PM
Tried clicking on the link, but it was taking too long. Maybe they were too scared to post what he looked like. And if he really is that bad to be on there, maybe he is so ugly that if I was gay, I'd immediately turn straight.

I think you have to log on to see the picture.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 31, 2008, 03:29:00 PM
...that I don't give a shit about?

Well, you were the one who brought it up. ::)

You don't seem very able-minded when put on the spot about the assertions you make, are you Les. Especially when it comes to your own behaviour.

Sure am and I like stirring you up which is why I bought it up. No big deal. Just like you.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 31, 2008, 05:17:20 PM
Timelord, or Lucky Phil looks suspiciously like this dude:

http://www.bergbland.info/

lau from Wankplanet.  You have to click the link 'what an I looking at' on the right. But given lau is from England, and Timelord is supposed to be from Oz, it seems doubtful....

But then again, this is the net, and who believes everything that you see on it.....
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on August 31, 2008, 05:21:26 PM
Timelord, or Lucky Phil looks suspiciously like this dude:

http://www.bergbland.info/

lau from Wankplanet.  You have to click the link 'what an I looking at' on the right. But given lau is from England, and Timelord is supposed to be from Oz, it seems doubtful....

But then again, this is the net, and who believes everything that you see on it.....

Lau is not all she seems to be, .  That is if she is "lau-Lashire" or the equivalent. 
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 31, 2008, 05:32:46 PM
The email is

l@bergbland.info

and given Lewis begins with an l........

it makes you wonder.

Besides, lau is meant to be the only tech dude amonsgst the mods on Wankplanet, and his command of English is shite. And as far as Timelor'd umpiring, well rugby and wrestling are pretty much similar, considering the scrums and king-hits.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on August 31, 2008, 05:49:58 PM
The email is

l@bergbland.info

and given Lewis begins with an l........

it makes you wonder.

Besides, lau is meant to be the only tech dude amonsgst the mods on Wankplanet, and his command of English is shite. And as far as Timelor'd umpiring, well rugby and wrestling are pretty much similar, considering the scrums and king-hits.

The thing is "Laui-Lashire" is also the alternate user name of "Tiger Lily" a 40 y/o woman from TheNeurolands and AspergianElders.  She is a nurse supervisor from Hawaii and it sounds pretty suspicious that the same name is used by a teenager AND a 40 y/o woman.  on separate forums.   

Not that I really care, but, my aspie senses are tingling at the coinkydinces of it all.   ::)
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on August 31, 2008, 05:51:45 PM
The email is

l@bergbland.info

and given Lewis begins with an l........

it makes you wonder.

Besides, lau is meant to be the only tech dude amonsgst the mods on Wankplanet, and his command of English is shite. And as far as Timelor'd umpiring, well rugby and wrestling are pretty much similar, considering the scrums and king-hits.

Rugby players eat their dead!  :P
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 31, 2008, 06:02:42 PM
And given the look of Willy Mason and Brett Kimmorley, they must be the cud that was chewed for desert.

Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Natalia Evans on August 31, 2008, 06:52:42 PM
Tried clicking on the link, but it was taking too long. Maybe they were too scared to post what he looked like. And if he really is that bad to be on there, maybe he is so ugly that if I was gay, I'd immediately turn straight.

I saw a very serious allegation there a woman he is supposed to have dated made about his deviant conduct with her four year old son, as well as his claim that there was nothing wrong with his actions because he has Asperger Syndrome.  She cautions other women to hide their children away from this man.

Attached is the picture displayed there that is supposed to be of Timelord:


Ha I knew it, he does use his AS as an excuse. Those people piss me off.  :wanker:


Didn't she press any charges against him or did the judge let him off because he has AS? That guy should be in jail.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 31, 2008, 07:01:53 PM
I grabbed Timelord's website addy from DDHG:

http://philsworld.a.wiki-site.com/index.php/Who_Knows?

There may be some interesting stuff in there, or bullshit. Let's just see....

Thought so, like his mind and his challenges - fucking empty.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on September 04, 2008, 03:36:30 PM


Ha I knew it, he does use his AS as an excuse. Those people piss me off.  :wanker:


Didn't she press any charges against him or did the judge let him off because he has AS? That guy should be in jail.

You are very gullible.

Why would you want to believe someone like Les?

Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Parts on September 04, 2008, 04:01:36 PM


Ha I knew it, he does use his AS as an excuse. Those people piss me off.  :wanker:


Didn't she press any charges against him or did the judge let him off because he has AS? That guy should be in jail.

You are very gullible.

Why would you want to believe someone like Les?



Bob posts :o
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on September 04, 2008, 06:05:25 PM
Nothing of substance. As usual.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Natalia Evans on September 04, 2008, 06:43:44 PM


Ha I knew it, he does use his AS as an excuse. Those people piss me off.  :wanker:


Didn't she press any charges against him or did the judge let him off because he has AS? That guy should be in jail.

You are very gullible.

Why would you want to believe someone like Les?




I'm not the only one on here who believes it. Say that to the others.

Did you happen to be Natalie on The truth About Timelord?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on September 04, 2008, 06:54:43 PM
SG: bob is Lucie1 from AFF. Trish the loser, in other words. She is afyer Zach cos he's the only bugger who pays her any respect.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Natalia Evans on September 04, 2008, 07:40:46 PM
I know it's her. I have read her posts and the thread by Sir Les and I have read the whole drama thread with her in it on AFF and then she got banned. She comes off as a deluded woman to my perspective. I never finished reading all her posts on AFF unfortunately. I have been preoccupied with other things is why. I will admit I don't know much about her, only by other people.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on September 04, 2008, 07:46:23 PM
AFF itself suffered a spak attack itself, and it's rumoured Amy has gone bananas. Several people have been thrown off for whatever reason, and the site has gone through some dramas.

Ho hum, like shit through a strainer, so are the Days on the Net.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on September 04, 2008, 08:15:58 PM
Nothing of substance. As usual.

Are you guilty of substance abuse!?????   :P
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on September 04, 2008, 08:19:09 PM
I just checked and saw Max the Bear and Rossco (Sir-Les) were banned!  WTF is going on?? ???
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on September 04, 2008, 08:36:42 PM
I know it's her. I have read her posts and the thread by Sir Les and I have read the whole drama thread with her in it on AFF and then she got banned. She comes off as a deluded woman to my perspective. I never finished reading all her posts on AFF unfortunately. I have been preoccupied with other things is why. I will admit I don't know much about her, only by other people.

You are the person who is deluded - deluded by idiots.

You admit you don't know much about me, only by other people. Perhaps it would be wise to admit that you don't know Timelord - and what you do know is hearsay, written by very nasty people who do not know him either.

Hiya Parts - love you lots  :thumbup: bob
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on September 04, 2008, 08:38:32 PM
Nothing of substance. As usual.

indulging in your usual garbage I see.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on September 04, 2008, 08:55:06 PM
Nothing of substance. As usual.

indulging in your usual garbage I see.

Just another periodical rant by a bitch with PMT. Go have a Bex and a good lie down.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on September 04, 2008, 08:57:54 PM
Nice to make your acquaintance again Chosen one  :) good to see you in fine form as usual.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on September 04, 2008, 09:02:16 PM
Pity I can't same the same for you, but as a hooker from St Kilda I might run into you one night. But then again, I might not.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: bob on September 04, 2008, 09:07:02 PM
Do you frequent the area chosen one  :-*
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Natalia Evans on September 04, 2008, 09:49:45 PM
AFF itself suffered a spak attack itself, and it's rumoured Amy has gone bananas. Several people have been thrown off for whatever reason, and the site has gone through some dramas.

Ho hum, like shit through a strainer, so are the Days on the Net.


The place has changed over the last two years. I can remember it was content and there was a lot less attacks on there and about everyone on there was friendly. Then it all turned into a drama site and there was attacks going on there and people being accused of being a bully. I think I had figured out the bully defintion to Amy and Gareth. If you disagree with them or even go creating your own site, you are a bully. I just read a post over there by EvilZakkie and I didn't see any bullying in his post but Amy went ahead and called him one. I bet telling another person to apologize or they should isn't even bullying and they say it is. I no longer saw it as a support site and I figured out just by reading the more post counts you have, the more superior you become and the less post counts you have the less superior you are and you get crap for it. To my perspective, there seemed to be special treatment there. Now the mods have locked the site, no one can post. Also I have noticed people are getting banned. Even Sir less has been banned. If you join another forum that is a spin off from AFF and you talk bad about AFF, they ban you. I saw it happening to three members because Amy or Gareth made a post about it. Good thing I wasn't very active there. I was at first when I first joined and then I lost interest in going there daily because I was preoccupied with WP and other places I went to.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on September 04, 2008, 09:57:28 PM
Yeah, I copped a spray from someone called CouldBeCousin about referring to someones' comments as being of a KKK mentality. This person accused me of saying they belonged to them, and all I said was their racist views were similar to those held by that group. Pointless argument over nothing.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ApotheosisIV on September 05, 2008, 08:18:54 AM
Yeah, I copped a spray from someone called CouldBeCousin about referring to someones' comments as being of a KKK mentality. This person accused me of saying they belonged to them, and all I said was their racist views were similar to those held by that group. Pointless argument over nothing.
:hahaha:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on September 05, 2008, 08:30:58 AM
Yeah, I copped a spray from someone called CouldBeCousin about referring to someones' comments as being of a KKK mentality. This person accused me of saying they belonged to them, and all I said was their racist views were similar to those held by that group. Pointless argument over nothing.
:hahaha:

Your needle's stuck. Push the fucking thing in and overdose, you drugged out ponce.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on September 05, 2008, 08:35:08 AM
Do you frequent the area chosen one  :-*

Do you frequent mortuaries in the hope of a stiff with a stiff and satisfied necrophiliac fantasies?

What? Just asking?   :angel:


"Bob the butt plug Can we fist it....Yes we can!" Sung gratefully by Nocti (Castrato)
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on September 05, 2008, 08:40:30 AM
Do you frequent the area chosen one  :-*

Do you frequent mortuaries in the hope of a stiff with a stiff and satisfied necrophiliac fantasies?

What? Just asking?   :angel:


"Bob the butt plug Can we fist it....Yes we can!" Sung gratefully by Nocti (Castrato)

With girlie choir supplied by Kosmo, Hardon, dunc, Go Getter, peabrain, Shleed and others of no ability.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on September 05, 2008, 09:33:01 AM
"Bob the butt plug Can we fist it....Yes we can!" Sung gratefully by Nocti (Castrato)

Giving us more 'time of day' eh?  :hahaha:

Best wishes for your op on Wednesday :green:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on September 05, 2008, 09:55:42 AM
Mindlessly Spamming on someone I don't like if that is what you are crapping on about and thanks for the good wishes Nocti. All goes well I will be spamming you up come Friday night.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on September 05, 2008, 09:57:40 AM
Mindlessly...

Yep... so very very very true. :hahaha:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on September 05, 2008, 10:24:15 AM
Mindlessly...

Yep... so very very very true. :hahaha:

I know I said it. Why waste thought on you?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Nocturnalist! on September 05, 2008, 10:26:42 AM
Why waste thought on you?

Only you can answer for yourself on that issue :lol:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on September 05, 2008, 01:29:16 PM
The drama, the drama... ::)



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Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Parts on September 05, 2008, 01:47:39 PM
32 pages and he hasn't posted once he must be popular :o
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on September 05, 2008, 01:49:40 PM
Others joined as a result. Not bad, all in all.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Lucifer on September 05, 2008, 01:51:20 PM
er, who is the zach, exactly?   ???
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on September 05, 2008, 01:55:00 PM
er, who is the zach, exactly?   ???

Some Aspie Sir Les can't stand.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Callaway on September 05, 2008, 02:03:47 PM
er, who is the zach, exactly?   ???

He is someone on AFF who threw a fit (http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=13606) because Zazzle took down the T-shirt he designed and he claimed that Autism Speaks had "pulled a legal attack on him":

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I just received a legal notice from the big bad bully Autism Speaks because I designed a t-shirt that says “Autism Speaks Can Go Away.”  It appears Autism Speaks is now using legal threats to shut up Autistic people that disagree with there stance on Autism.

The only notice he got came from Zazzle.

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Support (Nancy) - 06/18/2008 09:39 AM     

Dear Zazzler,

Thank you for your interest in Zazzle.com, and thank you for publishing products on Zazzle.  Unfortunately, it appears that your product, “Autism Speaks Can Go Away”, is in violation of Zazzle’s Copyright policies.  Specifically, your product contains a copyright protected design of Autism Speaks Inc.

We will be removing this product from the Zazzle galleries shortly. 

A detailed description of Zazzle’s content policies is available at: http://zazzle.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/zazzle.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=143


 
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Lucifer on September 05, 2008, 02:30:54 PM
i cannot tell you how glad i am i asked...

::)

;)
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: DirtDawg on September 05, 2008, 02:38:36 PM
er, who is the zach, exactly?   ???

He is someone on AFF who threw a fit (http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=13606) because Zazzle took down the T-shirt he designed and he claimed that Autism Speaks had "pulled a legal attack on him":

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I just received a legal notice from the big bad bully Autism Speaks because I designed a t-shirt that says “Autism Speaks Can Go Away.”  It appears Autism Speaks is now using legal threats to shut up Autistic people that disagree with there stance on Autism.

The only notice he got came from Zazzle.

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Support (Nancy) - 06/18/2008 09:39 AM     

Dear Zazzler,

Thank you for your interest in Zazzle.com, and thank you for publishing products on Zazzle.  Unfortunately, it appears that your product, “Autism Speaks Can Go Away”, is in violation of Zazzle’s Copyright policies.  Specifically, your product contains a copyright protected design of Autism Speaks Inc.

We will be removing this product from the Zazzle galleries shortly. 

A detailed description of Zazzle’s content policies is available at: http://zazzle.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/zazzle.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=143


 


I may have an advantage, due to having read volumes of copyright law in the past, but he just sounds like an idiot if he used copyrighted graphic material without written permission.

 :hahaha:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on September 05, 2008, 02:44:52 PM
It's ridiculous to have something like "autism speaks" copyrighted.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: DirtDawg on September 05, 2008, 02:51:41 PM
It's ridiculous to have something like "autism speaks" copyrighted.

But, it's a business name and they use a specific puzzle piece graphic in their logo.

Anyone who believes that it is a non-profit organization is full of shit.


... and look how conveniently they were able to leverage against something derogatory using copyrights.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on September 05, 2008, 03:34:54 PM
It's ridiculous to have something like "autism speaks" copyrighted.

But, it's a business name and they use a specific puzzle piece graphic in their logo.

Anyone who believes that it is a non-profit organization is full of shit.


... and look how conveniently they were able to leverage against something derogatory using copyrights.

 :indeed:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ozymandias on September 05, 2008, 05:05:23 PM
The drama, the drama... ::)



And what would I2 be without it!   :P
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on September 05, 2008, 10:53:23 PM
His design did not infringe copyright, because it only had the words 'AUTISM SPEAKS CAN GO AWAY' and then in smaller type somthing like 'I can speak for myself'. There was no puzzle piece and no breach of copyright. The guy is a fucktard, just like everyone who joined in his little tug fest. Hell, anyone here could have produced the shirt with no problem, and he could have distributed it at markets. I know of at least one Queensland company in Townsville that could have done it - Cueldee.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on September 19, 2008, 09:05:55 AM
Why waste thought on you?

Only you can answer for yourself on that issue :lol:

Boredom mainly and the hope for cheap laughs.  :-\ Sigh!
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Squidusa on September 23, 2010, 03:12:43 PM
sorry for the massive necro-bump but......

Looky what I found  :zoinks:

(http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx15/violetstarbubble/D.png)

I wonder ;)
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on September 23, 2010, 04:52:30 PM
sorry for the massive necro-bump but......

Looky what I found  :zoinks:

(http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx15/violetstarbubble/D.png)

I wonder ;)

Yeah, we get these perverts from time to time.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Squidusa on September 23, 2010, 05:00:14 PM
Yeah, we get these perverts from time to time.

Damn and I was hoping he'd finally grown some balls and was going to take ross on  :-\
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on September 23, 2010, 05:35:20 PM
Yeah, we get these perverts from time to time.

Damn and I was hoping he'd finally grown some balls and was going to take ross on  :-\

After the hissy fit he had when rossco tried to help him 2 years ago?

That's the reason for the callout, and the arsehole never even fronted for that.

Maybe him and Judy should get together. Or are they one in the same?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Squidusa on September 23, 2010, 06:40:51 PM
Yeah, we get these perverts from time to time.

Damn and I was hoping he'd finally grown some balls and was going to take ross on  :-\

After the hissy fit he had when rossco tried to help him 2 years ago?

That's the reason for the callout, and the arsehole never even fronted for that.

Maybe him and Judy should get together. Or are they one in the same?


nah as much of an arsehole he is TheZach is quite good looking ;)
(beauty is only skin deep yes I know)
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on September 23, 2010, 06:47:42 PM
He would not be at risk of being slapped stupid. He is as dumb as they come.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: richard on September 23, 2010, 07:45:51 PM
personally i think its unfair to continue to bother this guy, its quite apparent hes got issues. like serious ones, maybe he feels like a abused dog backed into the corner and thats why he acts like a tard online?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on September 23, 2010, 07:59:09 PM
personally i think its unfair to continue to bother this guy, its quite apparent hes got issues. like serious ones, maybe he feels like a abused dog backed into the corner and thats why he acts like a tard online?

Probably has got issues. Most of us have.
I am not going to his blog and harassing him and he has not come here to back himself so who is bothering who exactly?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Callaway on September 23, 2010, 09:13:54 PM
personally i think its unfair to continue to bother this guy, its quite apparent hes got issues. like serious ones, maybe he feels like a abused dog backed into the corner and thats why he acts like a tard online?

I think you're right that he has serious issues.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ProfessorFarnsworth on September 24, 2010, 12:14:36 PM
Why hello guest, back again so soon? :toporly:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Natalia Evans on September 24, 2010, 01:00:59 PM
On WP alex said he got a email from him telling him he is checking into a mental hospital. If that is true, good for him to take responsibility by getting himself some help like a responsible adult would when they knowledge they have problems they need to fix and they can't do it alone.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: richard on September 24, 2010, 02:09:05 PM
sir_les i have you blocked. and you will remain that way, because i think you like to cause trouble. one only has to look at your recent attempts to become a wp moderator. im shure everyone knows that alex doesnt take care of his site the way it should be, but thats just probably because communication is one of the problems associated with AS. in any reguards, i think you know that youre efforts would have gone nowhere so it was like one gigantic turd crashing into earth. same thing here, thezach obviously needs medical attention and not someone poking him with a stick like what you did to him in this thread: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postxf136297-0-60.html

rossc wrote:
Oh he is funny and rages when provoked which is more funny. The fact that he is serious in how he views himself is hysterical.

and now im just waiting for your intensity buddies to flame me for my opinion,  :wanker:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on September 24, 2010, 11:35:35 PM
sir_les i have you blocked. and you will remain that way, because i think you like to cause trouble. one only has to look at your recent attempts to become a wp moderator. im shure everyone knows that alex doesnt take care of his site the way it should be, but thats just probably because communication is one of the problems associated with AS. in any reguards, i think you know that youre efforts would have gone nowhere so it was like one gigantic turd crashing into earth. same thing here, thezach obviously needs medical attention and not someone poking him with a stick like what you did to him in this thread: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postxf136297-0-60.html

rossc wrote:
Oh he is funny and rages when provoked which is more funny. The fact that he is serious in how he views himself is hysterical.

and now im just waiting for your intensity buddies to flame me for my opinion,  :wanker:

Hilarious.
May have been a half-decent point, were it not for the fact that....The Zach had been banned before I posted that.
Oh and stop sucking up to Alex on the issue. Alex is a money grubbing arsehole and you are a mindless sycophant with delusions of relevance.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: richard on September 24, 2010, 11:42:10 PM
i sent alex my last donation on the 7th of september. (monday was a holiday here, labour day. no mail) right around the same time i got my new computer. before i found out what a scammer he was, and everything else. so you can really go back and see if thats true or not.

 and my point is you are a trouble maker reguardless
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: skyblue1 on September 25, 2010, 08:45:03 AM
Yeah, we get these perverts from time to time.

Damn and I was hoping he'd finally grown some balls and was going to take ross on  :-\

After the hissy fit he had when rossco tried to help him 2 years ago?

That's the reason for the callout, and the arsehole never even fronted for that.

Maybe him and Judy should get together. Or are they one in the same?


nah as much of an arsehole he is TheZach is quite good looking ;)
(beauty is only skin deep yes I know)
has a nice dog too
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: skyblue1 on September 25, 2010, 08:48:26 AM
i sent alex my last donation on the 7th of september. (monday was a holiday here, labour day. no mail) right around the same time i got my new computer. before i found out what a scammer he was, and everything else. so you can really go back and see if thats true or not.

 and my point is you are a trouble maker reguardless
I kinda like Sir Les as an asshole, he makes a lot of sense. Also lives up to the reputation of his avatar
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on September 25, 2010, 09:03:56 AM
i sent alex my last donation on the 7th of september. (monday was a holiday here, labour day. no mail) right around the same time i got my new computer. before i found out what a scammer he was, and everything else. so you can really go back and see if thats true or not.

 and my point is you are a trouble maker reguardless

The point is that you don't make good points.
The point about when you gave what to Alex when and whether you got a new computer is case in point. You get my point?

Oh and thanks Skyblue  :plus:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: richard on September 25, 2010, 11:05:22 AM
i do make good points, clearly anyone with a brain can see that.
 you have nothing to say is a case in point because everything ive said is true
hopefully your blood pressure isnt elevated reading this. i wouldnt want you to have another gallstone attack
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Adam on September 25, 2010, 11:07:30 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on September 25, 2010, 11:34:45 AM
i do make good points, clearly anyone with a brain can see that.
 you have nothing to say is a case in point because everything ive said is true
hopefully your blood pressure isnt elevated reading this. i wouldnt want you to have another gallstone attack


Well you need not fear so Richard. My Gallbladder is out and therefore no more gallstone attacks for me. I am sure there is a relationship between blood pressure and gallstones but I don't know it.
Yes I don't doubt when you bought a computer or gave money to a forum or last went to the toilet. Why would I? It may all be true but it is superfluous and irrelevant. It is not important, so why ought I entertain it? Or try to derive some secret meaning?
So what exactly is your good points? That I am what?

Continually bothering this guy? Fail.

That I like causing trouble? That was not a good point that was an incontestably obvious one. I know I do and I find it fun.

Alex takes care of his site the "way he should"? Fail (He has associated all members through his actions with Autism Speaks)

You have blocked me? Fail (You replied to this)

I was poking TheZach with a stick, in that thread you mentioned? Fail. (His account was banned before I got to replying there)

You make good points? Fail (^^^^ Proof)

Everything you say is true? Fail (For all the above)

My blood pressure raised? Fail (Over what? A Failtard like Richard failing is supposed to stress me out? What are you on?)

Gallstone attack? Fail. (No gall bladder in which to have one and it has nothing to do with high blood pressure)


So you are full of yourself Richard and full of shit at the same time. Well done.
If it is any consolation Soph thinks something is funny. No idea what.


Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: richard on September 25, 2010, 11:59:19 AM
and i dont like repeating myself, anyone who isnt biased can see what the truth is
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on September 25, 2010, 07:46:45 PM
and i dont like repeating myself, anyone who isnt biased can see what the truth is


Yes don't repeat yourself twice. Keep your silliness limited to one outburst at a time.  ;)
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on September 25, 2010, 07:53:24 PM
richtard: calm down and stick to the subject you know best - your rocks. Otherwise you are going to get worked up into a right royal tizzy, and somebody would have to clean the place up. And at the moment, we don't have enough Bon Ami for that.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Natalia Evans on September 25, 2010, 10:17:27 PM
i sent alex my last donation on the 7th of september. (monday was a holiday here, labour day. no mail) right around the same time i got my new computer. before i found out what a scammer he was, and everything else. so you can really go back and see if thats true or not.

 and my point is you are a trouble maker reguardless
I kinda like Sir Les as an asshole, he makes a lot of sense. Also lives up to the reputation of his avatar


I should also add he scared an NT off another forum and off WP too. Go figure.

Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on September 25, 2010, 10:23:54 PM
i sent alex my last donation on the 7th of september. (monday was a holiday here, labour day. no mail) right around the same time i got my new computer. before i found out what a scammer he was, and everything else. so you can really go back and see if thats true or not.

 and my point is you are a trouble maker reguardless
I kinda like Sir Les as an asshole, he makes a lot of sense. Also lives up to the reputation of his avatar


I should also add he scared an NT off another forum and off WP too. Go figure.



Maybe Zach and Lucie1 were shagging each other behind the bike-sheds.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Natalia Evans on September 25, 2010, 10:50:52 PM
I was talking about another NT.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on September 25, 2010, 10:58:13 PM
I was talking about another NT.

Well, given TheZach and Lucie1 were 2 of the biggest fuckers around. :eyebrows:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on September 26, 2010, 07:05:12 AM
I scared off a NT? Really? Little old me? Which NT and was that a good or a bad thing Kit?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: richard on September 26, 2010, 11:07:40 AM
why are you suprised? your a trouble maker. this isnt a cold case, if you were on the first 48 you'd be in prison serving a life sentence
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: "couldbecousin" on September 26, 2010, 11:16:34 AM
why are you suprised? your a trouble maker. this isnt a cold case, if you were on the first 48 you'd be in prison serving a life sentence

Nobody does life in prison for quarreling with somebody online.  :orly:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Natalia Evans on September 26, 2010, 11:17:58 AM
I scared off a NT? Really? Little old me? Which NT and was that a good or a bad thing Kit?

Remember Granatelli?

Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: 'andersom' on September 26, 2010, 12:24:35 PM
I scared off a NT? Really? Little old me? Which NT and was that a good or a bad thing Kit?

Remember Granatelli?



LOL.

IIRC half of the people on the spectrum on that forum had issues with how condemning Granatelli was of all people on the spectrum. Most positive remark he could make was that some on the spectrum could make brilliant speeches on physics, but they still would be the weirdo with the fly open, delivering that speech.

And Sir_Les was the one who left. If Granatelli left too later, that's Granatelli's choice.

You were the one bitching about Granatelli cross-forum btw.

Didn't even know Granatelli had left for good.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Natalia Evans on September 26, 2010, 12:57:38 PM
When was I bitching about him? I don't ever recall.

Granatelli left because sir les brought the issue back and then others stepped in saying how they were bothered by his comments, I stepped in too and then he decided to leave. I felt sorry for him and didn't know what to say when he said nobody likes him and he is unwanted there. All I could say is sorry he feels that way. He lurked for two months and then I haven't seen him since. If anyone leaves over an incident, I see it as scaring them off. I can say others scared Sir Les off because they didn't like his behavior. I say some of us scared BruceCM off because we caught him with his sockpuppet.

If anyone wants to see the links, I'll be glad to post them here where the drama occurred. Then others can judge for themselves.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Adam on September 26, 2010, 01:03:56 PM
(http://i53.tinypic.com/vzar5v.jpg)
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Natalia Evans on September 26, 2010, 01:05:28 PM
I think I may have started something. Oh shit. Why must I be good at these things when it's not my intention?

But thank goodness this is I2.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Natalia Evans on September 26, 2010, 01:19:53 PM
When was I bitching about him? I don't ever recall.

Oh you mean the Things That Piss Me off thread? That was nothing.

I just did research and I saw nothing was ever said about him except for his name being mentioned.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: 'andersom' on September 26, 2010, 01:57:38 PM
When was I bitching about him? I don't ever recall.

Oh you mean the Things That Piss Me off thread? That was nothing.

I just did research and I saw nothing was ever said about him except for his name being mentioned.

True.

Don't think that what happened on that forum was about chasing away an NT though.
It was about questioning the validity of people on the spectrum.

Granatelli left for a while for private reasons, and he knew all the questions would still be there when he returned.
That it was Sir_Les making the first move in bringing it up again was no surprise. But it would have been brought back to life anyway. Touched the heart of the forum, the matter of how valuable people on the spectrum are when compared to non ASD people.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on September 26, 2010, 10:10:40 PM
why are you suprised? your a trouble maker. this isnt a cold case, if you were on the first 48 you'd be in prison serving a life sentence

Richard take your meds, have a wank and a lie down. You will fell better in the morning.

Fucking melodramatic idiot.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on September 26, 2010, 10:50:53 PM
I scared off a NT? Really? Little old me? Which NT and was that a good or a bad thing Kit?

Remember Granatelli?



When was I bitching about him? I don't ever recall.

Granatelli left because sir les brought the issue back and then others stepped in saying how they were bothered by his comments, I stepped in too and then he decided to leave. I felt sorry for him and didn't know what to say when he said nobody likes him and he is unwanted there. All I could say is sorry he feels that way. He lurked for two months and then I haven't seen him since. If anyone leaves over an incident, I see it as scaring them off. I can say others scared Sir Les off because they didn't like his behavior. I say some of us scared BruceCM off because we caught him with his sockpuppet.

If anyone wants to see the links, I'll be glad to post them here where the drama occurred. Then others can judge for themselves.

I think I may have started something. Oh shit. Why must I be good at these things when it's not my intention?

But thank goodness this is I2.

OK Kit you are right.
It is I2 and that maxim "BE PREPARED TO BACK UP YOUR WORDS" is very true. You demand this off me and all good. No issue. But I will certainly do no less of you. In fact moreso.
Your intention is VERY clear Kit don't play it down. You love drama and want to back a shitty point of Richard's and I am going to go gunning for you on this one. See I call it like it is and don't try to dress it down.
No-one scared me off. I thought the stand they were taking was not much to my liking and I had other forums which were giving me far more joy.

You can try to gloss over what happen in trying to spin things one way or another but I will call it true to rights and I have no issue and then I will get you in light of the facts to explain what you have said.

So yes, I remember Grantanelli. I remember exactly what happened there and yes I am prepared to take a lead pipe to your premise. Then I will get to your intention after. You did chose this Kit.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: The_Chosen_One on September 27, 2010, 01:01:11 AM
Granatelli sounds like a sook and a poof to me, but then again I don't know him.

And richtard, if you are prepared to make such stupid comments, make sure you have Judy's balls of ahem steel to back you up.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Al Swearegen on September 27, 2010, 07:23:24 AM
OK Kit you got your drama. Let's see how you back lies and insinuation

HERE

http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,14819.0.html

I will be happy to oblige you.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: P7PSP on October 16, 2011, 10:06:56 AM
Actually, Pandora told him to be a man and to take his petty squabble over to I2 so he could get a real dressing down. Told him to be a man andto stop behaving like the little cry-baby that he is. You know how I know this? Cos I typed the message.....  >:D :lol:
Positive proof from the horse's ass himself that Craving The Rod and Pandora are both flat out fucking lying about Craving The Rod's use of Pandora's account.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: eris on October 16, 2011, 10:10:43 AM
craving the rod :rofl:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ProfessorFarnsworth on October 16, 2011, 10:14:09 AM
Whoops. But seriously I lol'd, what a coincidence this thread contained that very relevant quote. :laugh:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Squidusa on October 16, 2011, 10:26:08 AM
:rofl:

Whoops. But seriously I lol'd, what a coincidence this thread contained that very relevant quote. :laugh:

I saw it before , but I forgot about it.

So thank you farnsworth.  :zoinks:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Osensitive1 on October 16, 2011, 11:11:12 AM
Yeah, I copped a spray from someone called CouldBeCousin about referring to someones' comments as being of a KKK mentality. This person accused me of saying they belonged to them, and all I said was their racist views were similar to those held by that group. Pointless argument over nothing.
:laugh:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Binty on October 16, 2011, 11:16:44 AM
I was gonna post that :P
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Osensitive1 on October 16, 2011, 11:17:51 AM
She's such a bully with her spray, that one.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: P7PSP on October 16, 2011, 04:00:27 PM
Yeah, I copped a spray from someone called CouldBeCousin about referring to someones' comments as being of a KKK mentality. This person accused me of saying they belonged to them, and all I said was their racist views were similar to those held by that group. Pointless argument over nothing.
Did she hurt your feewings Craving The Rod? She scares me too.  :'(
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: 'Butterflies' on October 16, 2011, 04:04:25 PM
Yeah, I copped a spray from someone called CouldBeCousin about referring to someones' comments as being of a KKK mentality. This person accused me of saying they belonged to them, and all I said was their racist views were similar to those held by that group. Pointless argument over nothing.
Did she hurt your feewings Craving The Rod? She scares me too.  :'(

Someone needs to take the Evil Weeble down :swords: :cbc:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Osensitive1 on October 16, 2011, 04:06:11 PM
Your tiny ninja is no match for the weeble.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: "couldbecousin" on October 16, 2011, 04:07:24 PM
She's such a bully with her spray, that one.

 I know!  Say it, don't spray it!   :autism:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: "couldbecousin" on October 16, 2011, 04:09:22 PM
Yeah, I copped a spray from someone called CouldBeCousin about referring to someones' comments as being of a KKK mentality. This person accused me of saying they belonged to them, and all I said was their racist views were similar to those held by that group. Pointless argument over nothing.
:laugh:

 That's too funny, I remember seeing that quote but thought it was TheZach who said it!  :laugh:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: "couldbecousin" on October 16, 2011, 04:10:06 PM
I was gonna post that :P

 Jack is a fast-moving fleur, she beat you to it!  :laugh:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Osensitive1 on October 16, 2011, 04:10:55 PM
Yeah, I copped a spray from someone called CouldBeCousin about referring to someones' comments as being of a KKK mentality. This person accused me of saying they belonged to them, and all I said was their racist views were similar to those held by that group. Pointless argument over nothing.
:laugh:

 That's too funny, I remember seeing that quote but thought it was TheZach who said it!  :laugh:
Did that happen here or on AFF?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: "couldbecousin" on October 16, 2011, 04:11:49 PM
Yeah, I copped a spray from someone called CouldBeCousin about referring to someones' comments as being of a KKK mentality. This person accused me of saying they belonged to them, and all I said was their racist views were similar to those held by that group. Pointless argument over nothing.
Did she hurt your feewings Craving The Rod? She scares me too.  :'(

 STFU, you!  Stop bitching about me in public!   :hitler:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: "couldbecousin" on October 16, 2011, 04:13:10 PM
Your tiny ninja is no match for the weeble.

 Indeed not, i'll just roll right over that little punk with one mighty wobble!  >:D
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: "couldbecousin" on October 16, 2011, 04:14:49 PM
Yeah, I copped a spray from someone called CouldBeCousin about referring to someones' comments as being of a KKK mentality. This person accused me of saying they belonged to them, and all I said was their racist views were similar to those held by that group. Pointless argument over nothing.
:laugh:

 That's too funny, I remember seeing that quote but thought it was TheZach who said it!  :laugh:
Did that happen here or on AFF?

 On AFF, in my modding days!  I was trying to keep order in my prissy way.  :laugh:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: 'andersom' on October 16, 2011, 04:20:01 PM
Yeah, I copped a spray from someone called CouldBeCousin about referring to someones' comments as being of a KKK mentality. This person accused me of saying they belonged to them, and all I said was their racist views were similar to those held by that group. Pointless argument over nothing.
:laugh:

 That's too funny, I remember seeing that quote but thought it was TheZach who said it!  :laugh:
Did that happen here or on AFF?

 On AFF, in my modding days!  I was trying to keep order in my prissy way.  :laugh:

You were terrifying, you.  :zombiefuck:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Osensitive1 on October 16, 2011, 04:22:46 PM
Yeah, I copped a spray from someone called CouldBeCousin about referring to someones' comments as being of a KKK mentality. This person accused me of saying they belonged to them, and all I said was their racist views were similar to those held by that group. Pointless argument over nothing.
:laugh:

 That's too funny, I remember seeing that quote but thought it was TheZach who said it!  :laugh:
Did that happen here or on AFF?

 On AFF, in my modding days!  I was trying to keep order in my prissy way.  :laugh:
Didn't know he was on AFF too. Was he the chosen one there too or some other name?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: "couldbecousin" on October 16, 2011, 04:22:56 PM
Yeah, I copped a spray from someone called CouldBeCousin about referring to someones' comments as being of a KKK mentality. This person accused me of saying they belonged to them, and all I said was their racist views were similar to those held by that group. Pointless argument over nothing.
:laugh:

 That's too funny, I remember seeing that quote but thought it was TheZach who said it!  :laugh:
Did that happen here or on AFF?

 On AFF, in my modding days!  I was trying to keep order in my prissy way.  :laugh:

You were terrifying, you.  :zombiefuck:

 The little nun from hell!  :laugh:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Squidusa on October 16, 2011, 04:29:10 PM
Yeah, I copped a spray from someone called CouldBeCousin about referring to someones' comments as being of a KKK mentality. This person accused me of saying they belonged to them, and all I said was their racist views were similar to those held by that group. Pointless argument over nothing.
:laugh:

 That's too funny, I remember seeing that quote but thought it was TheZach who said it!  :laugh:
Did that happen here or on AFF?

 On AFF, in my modding days!  I was trying to keep order in my prissy way.  :laugh:

You were terrifying, you.  :zombiefuck:

 :indeed:

I bet the evil weeble banne dus on Amy's behalf too! CONSPIRICAAAAAAAAH! :pirateship

 :laugh:

Yeah, I copped a spray from someone called CouldBeCousin about referring to someones' comments as being of a KKK mentality. This person accused me of saying they belonged to them, and all I said was their racist views were similar to those held by that group. Pointless argument over nothing.
:laugh:

 That's too funny, I remember seeing that quote but thought it was TheZach who said it!  :laugh:
Did that happen here or on AFF?

 On AFF, in my modding days!  I was trying to keep order in my prissy way.  :laugh:
Didn't know he was on AFF too. Was he the chosen one there too or some other name?

He was under the screen name The Chosen One.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Charlotte Quin on October 17, 2011, 07:32:46 PM
Wasn’t Zach the one who went crying to WP when Autism Speaks tried to get him to take down his t-shirts from Zazzle?

And then proceeded to thank Alex for helping him out by trying to get WP shut down?

And then came back to WP again and had the hide to use it as a channel of support when he was allegedly suicidal? (after he tried to take that same channel of support away from 50,000 people)

It was him? Ah well, fuck you Zach :finger: :finger:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ProfessorFarnsworth on October 17, 2011, 07:35:54 PM
Wasn’t Zach the one who went crying to WP when Autism Speaks tried to get him to take down his t-shirts from Zazzle?

And then proceeded to thank Alex for helping him out by trying to get WP shut down?

And then came back to WP again and had the hide to use it as a channel of support when he was allegedly suicidal? (after he tried to take that same channel of support away from 50,000 people)

It was him? Ah well, fuck you Zach :finger: :finger:

The very same. Yep I remember that he tried to threaten Alex with legal action too I think for republishing contents from his website. The document contained his full name and address online for all to see too. :orly:
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: eris on October 17, 2011, 07:41:43 PM
the_zach was one of the people on facebook that kept telling us to STFU
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Osensitive1 on October 17, 2011, 07:46:48 PM
Why doesn't he post here anymore?
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: eris on October 17, 2011, 08:03:52 PM
I don't think you would want him to post here. He is very big on morality and said we were bad people for swearing.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ProfessorFarnsworth on October 17, 2011, 08:22:47 PM
Why doesn't he post here anymore?

He never did, he only lurked like the cowardly faggot he is. :thumbdn:

I don't think you would want him to post here. He is very big on morality and said we were bad people for swearing.

And yet he's not exactly Mr. Nice either. He annoys me on the same level as Razor did.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Callaway on October 17, 2011, 09:49:02 PM
He got his mentally challenged girlfriend pregnant and they were pretty much forced to put the baby girl up for adoption because I guess they were both considered unfit to raise her, even before she was born.  She was adopted by kind people who include both him and his girlfriend in the baby's life, however.

The girlfriend recently won the right to have her legal guardian changed since she said that the previous guardian was controlling and abusive.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Natalia Evans on October 17, 2011, 10:40:47 PM
I don't think she is mentally challenged. She has FAS and Sensory Processing disorder. I found it sad they had their baby taken from them. I remember feeling nervous about mine being taken but was hoping it wouldn't happen because lot of autistic people have kids and raise them. Only thing that happened was CPS showing up and then they closed the case when they saw no signs of abuse or neglect. But it took them three months to get to me so it means they weren't all that worried and the lady that showed up said that is a good sign they showed up late because it means they weren't that worried. They have bigger things to worry about than worry about some parent on the spectrum with a baby.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Callaway on October 17, 2011, 11:11:58 PM
I don't think she is mentally challenged. She has FAS and Sensory Processing disorder. I found it sad they had their baby taken from them. I remember feeling nervous about mine being taken but was hoping it wouldn't happen because lot of autistic people have kids and raise them. Only thing that happened was CPS showing up and then they closed the case when they saw no signs of abuse or neglect. But it took them three months to get to me so it means they weren't all that worried and the lady that showed up said that is a good sign they showed up late because it means they weren't that worried. They have bigger things to worry about than worry about some parent on the spectrum with a baby.

I didn't realize that you and your husband had to deal with social services showing up to check out your and your husband's parenting skills.  How did you get onto their list in the first place?

I thought that Katelyn's Fetal Alcohol Syndrome came with some degree of mental challenge, based on how she writes.  I could be mistaken about that, however.

She also says that she has Borderline Personality Disorder in addition to the Fetal Alcohol Syndrome in her blog.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Natalia Evans on October 17, 2011, 11:19:37 PM
She never mentioned her IQ. I do realize some people with FAS have mental retardation.

People at the hospital were talking to me and I was saying how nervous I was about being a mother and they asked me if I feel comfortable to have someone come over. I didn't realize this was about CPS. I just thought it be someone who works for the county or something with the hospital. Plus they knew about my AS.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Callaway on October 17, 2011, 11:32:21 PM
She never mentioned her IQ. I do realize some people with FAS have mental retardation.

People at the hospital were talking to me and I was saying how nervous I was about being a mother and they asked me if I feel comfortable to have someone come over. I didn't realize this was about CPS. I just thought it be someone who works for the county or something with the hospital. Plus they knew about my AS.

I remember how nervous I was when the lady from the hospital came over to take blood from my daughter's heel for her PKU test.  We used an antique cradle for her that her great-grandfather made by hand in the late 1800's, and I was nervous that this lady would somehow object to us using it because I knew that she would also be judging our fitness as parents.

My fears turned out to be unfounded, since she explained to me that some parents used a laundry basket as a bassinet and she had no problems with that and she certainly had no problems with an antique cradle.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on October 18, 2011, 12:52:08 AM
I don't think you would want him to post here. He is very big on morality and said we were bad people for swearing.

I think it'd be... educating... to have him post here.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: V on October 18, 2011, 04:25:16 AM
I don't think you would want him to post here. He is very big on morality and said we were bad people for swearing.

I think it'd be... educating... to have him post here.
Educational for the members or for him?, that´s the question.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: odeon on October 18, 2011, 08:44:00 AM
I don't think you would want him to post here. He is very big on morality and said we were bad people for swearing.

I think it'd be... educating... to have him post here.
Educational for the members or for him?, that´s the question.

For him, of course. I am altruism defined.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Squidusa on October 18, 2011, 10:44:24 AM
I don't think you would want him to post here. He is very big on morality and said we were bad people for swearing.

I think it'd be... educating... to have him post here.

As long as I don't have to be nice , I'm all for it.

Can't stand the little fuck.

( I say little and he's about 10 years older than me  :laugh:)
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: renaeden on October 22, 2011, 01:34:15 AM
I don't think she is mentally challenged. She has FAS and Sensory Processing disorder. I found it sad they had their baby taken from them. I remember feeling nervous about mine being taken but was hoping it wouldn't happen because lot of autistic people have kids and raise them. Only thing that happened was CPS showing up and then they closed the case when they saw no signs of abuse or neglect. But it took them three months to get to me so it means they weren't all that worried and the lady that showed up said that is a good sign they showed up late because it means they weren't that worried. They have bigger things to worry about than worry about some parent on the spectrum with a baby.

I didn't realize that you and your husband had to deal with social services showing up to check out your and your husband's parenting skills.  How did you get onto their list in the first place?

I thought that Katelyn's Fetal Alcohol Syndrome came with some degree of mental challenge, based on how she writes.  I could be mistaken about that, however.

She also says that she has Borderline Personality Disorder in addition to the Fetal Alcohol Syndrome in her blog.
His writing is pretty bad in my view too.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: V on October 22, 2011, 01:37:57 AM
Recently mentioned this thread to him and asked him to speak up about this questions so that it didnt look like he was avoiding us(he was harassing some poor woman for posting a link to a competition so I figured he wouldnt mind) his response was that he has no desire to join this place at any time.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: Squidusa on October 22, 2011, 06:21:45 AM
Recently mentioned this thread to him and asked him to speak up about this questions so that it didnt look like he was avoiding us(he was harassing some poor woman for posting a link to a competition so I figured he wouldnt mind) his response was that he has no desire to join this place at any time.

He has a profile here , so he HAS joined - he's just a coward.
Title: Re: TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.
Post by: ProfessorFarnsworth on October 22, 2011, 07:45:43 AM
I still remember the time he came on ZOMG, pretty much got roasted off IIRC. :zoinks: