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Title: Presidential debate
Post by: Adam on October 03, 2012, 07:18:31 PM
Mitt Romney is such a sleezy fucking sleezebag

twat
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: "couldbecousin" on October 03, 2012, 07:20:50 PM
  I shan't be voting for him.  :M
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: Adam on October 03, 2012, 07:22:38 PM
Obama seems kind of hesitant tonight though, don't you think? He's doing well, but Romney's speaking better
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: Adam on October 03, 2012, 07:22:53 PM
Like a used car salesman
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: "couldbecousin" on October 03, 2012, 07:24:56 PM
Like a used car salesman

  I believe Tom Cruise (can't stand him either) would use the word  "glib."   :yarly:
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: Queen Victoria on October 03, 2012, 08:41:48 PM
Managed to catch the last 45 minutes or so. 

President Obama shouldn't have nodded his head as if agreeing with Governor Romney.  Governor Romney should not have wiped his lip with the handkerchief.

I think these two couldn't agree what time sunrise is.
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: Trigger 11 on October 03, 2012, 08:43:32 PM
Subliminal mindfuck America!
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: Jesse on October 23, 2012, 08:53:23 AM
 I've become sick of politics. Its the same guys saying the same thing, Obama has done alot of good things for this country like getting rid of DADT, and making shure the economy didnt go off of the cliff. But I'm still not voting this year, I cant be fuckerd to. but everyone in my family exept one of my sisters is voting for obama
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: renaeden on October 24, 2012, 04:30:32 AM
What is DADT?

I find it weird that you don't have to vote over there if you don't want to. Here, we get fined if we don't vote. Only time I have gotten out of voting was when I was in hospital.

If I were American, I would vote for Obama. From what I have seen of him, he seems pretty decent and straight-talking.
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: ProfessorFarnsworth on October 24, 2012, 04:53:11 AM
Mitt Romney is such a sleezy fucking sleezebag

twat

He's worse than that, he actually poses a threat in starting a world war with his ridiculous, ignorant and aggressive stance on foreign policy. Hell, I even will dare to go as far as saying he's the male equivalent of Sarah Palin (okay, maybe too far that remark).

That's not to say Obama is any better, but at least his stance is less bullrushing blindly into another war and more willing to stand up against Israel's not-so-subtle demands to dictate U.S foreign policy. Unfortunately, I feel that only buys time, it doesn't mean Obama won't give in.

But I can't help feeling this will all go the same way as the election in 2000, Obama will appear to win, but suddenly it'll reveal Romney actually won due to disputed votes in a swing state (likely Florida, again). So yeah basically, we're fucked. Hope not.
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: TheoK on October 24, 2012, 05:21:39 AM
In principle there are no good politicians, just less bad ones  :thumbdn:
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: Jesse on October 24, 2012, 09:30:04 AM
What is DADT?

I find it weird that you don't have to vote over there if you don't want to. Here, we get fined if we don't vote. Only time I have gotten out of voting was when I was in hospital.
Dont Ask, Dont Tell. It was a policy implamented by the armed forces to not disclose ones sexuality. Now LGBT people can openly serve in the military, It would make me upset if I was fined because I didnt vote. That kind of defeats the whole purpose of freedom in my opinion
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: Adam on October 24, 2012, 07:43:25 PM
Transgender people still can't. But yeh, gay people now can, which is a good thing

Republicans are fucking insane. We have our own Nasty Party here (tories), but they're no way near as crazy as rrepublicans. One of the things I don't get about american politics is the religion.
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: Bastet on October 24, 2012, 07:51:54 PM
I voted Obama. Wrongney can eat my ass.
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: Adam on October 24, 2012, 07:56:54 PM
I would vote obama too if I was american. I can't understand how anyone except really rich and heartless religious fundamentalists could even consider voting for Mittens
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: "couldbecousin" on October 24, 2012, 07:57:07 PM
Transgender people still can't. But yeh, gay people now can, which is a good thing

Republicans are fucking insane. We have our own Nasty Party here (tories), but they're no way near as crazy as rrepublicans.  One of the things I don't get about american politics is the religion.

    :agreed:   I vote Democrat because I don't want to be governed by fundie Christians.
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: renaeden on October 25, 2012, 06:14:04 AM
Mittens lol.

Yeah, one thing I have noticed about American politics is how religion is such a large part of it. It is almost absent from Australia's politics.
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: Jesse on October 25, 2012, 08:31:14 AM
Flip Flopney.  :laugh:

 I didnt know Transgender people still werent allowed to serve, that sucks
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: Callaway on October 25, 2012, 08:39:33 AM
Flip Flopney.  :laugh:

 I didnt know Transgender people still werent allowed to serve, that sucks

I think anyone who takes almost any regular medication except for birth control pills wouldn't be allowed to serve in the military.  I'm not sure what the logic is but maybe it could have something to do with what if the person was captured and no longer had access to their medication, what would happen to them?
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: renaeden on October 25, 2012, 09:11:15 AM
^Yes I think this is the reason why asthmatics are not allowed in Australia's army/navy/air force..
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: "couldbecousin" on October 25, 2012, 11:03:04 AM
Flip Flopney.  :laugh:

 I didnt know Transgender people still werent allowed to serve, that sucks

I think anyone who takes almost any regular medication except for birth control pills wouldn't be allowed to serve in the military.  I'm not sure what the logic is but maybe it could have something to do with what if the person was captured and no longer had access to their medication, what would happen to them?

  If I were captured and had no access to my Strattera, I'd be very ditzy.  :P
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: Adam on October 25, 2012, 12:42:27 PM
Flip Flopney.  :laugh:

 I didnt know Transgender people still werent allowed to serve, that sucks

I think anyone who takes almost any regular medication except for birth control pills wouldn't be allowed to serve in the military.  I'm not sure what the logic is but maybe it could have something to do with what if the person was captured and no longer had access to their medication, what would happen to them?

No. it's because they view it as a mental illness which leaves them unfit to serve
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: Dexter Morgan on October 25, 2012, 10:30:48 PM
I voted for Romney because I am a racist.
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: ProfessorFarnsworth on October 25, 2012, 11:15:13 PM
As much as I hate him, I'd vote for Romney just to troll the world. :orly:
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: TA on October 26, 2012, 12:03:09 AM
I'm taking door #3 because I cannot stand behind either party. Obama failed to deliver on healthcare after he and half his party were presumably bought by the Insurance Industry. As for Romney, i'll be damned if i'm going to cast a vote that would let Mormon power brokers in Utah run this country.
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: Beardy McFuckface on October 26, 2012, 01:31:44 AM
So, who will you choose? A douche or a turd sandwhich?

(http://speaklittlesaymuch.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/giant-douche-and-turd-sandwich.jpg)
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: midlifeaspie on October 26, 2012, 09:38:47 AM
Obama failed to deliver on healthcare

Details please
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: TA on October 26, 2012, 01:20:25 PM
Obama failed to deliver on healthcare

Details please

Congress was partially at fault as well. The AHCFAA passed but there was no Public Option, and then there is the Mandate. Seems like no real change to me and more like business as usual in disguise.
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: midlifeaspie on October 26, 2012, 01:42:42 PM
Obama failed to deliver on healthcare

Details please

Congress was partially at fault as well. The AHCFAA passed but there was no Public Option, and then there is the Mandate. Seems like no real change to me and more like business as usual in disguise.

Congress was "partially at fault" for not passing something only they could pass?  When you look at how difficult it was to get anything passed at all, I give him an A for doing what he did.
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: TA on October 26, 2012, 01:55:50 PM
Obama failed to deliver on healthcare

Details please

Congress was partially at fault as well. The AHCFAA passed but there was no Public Option, and then there is the Mandate. Seems like no real change to me and more like business as usual in disguise.

Congress was "partially at fault" for not passing something only they could pass?  When you look at how difficult it was to get anything passed at all, I give him an A for doing what he did.

You are forgetting the power of veto. Why sign a bill into law that you know is not going to really change anything?
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: midlifeaspie on October 26, 2012, 02:13:24 PM
Obama failed to deliver on healthcare

Details please

Congress was partially at fault as well. The AHCFAA passed but there was no Public Option, and then there is the Mandate. Seems like no real change to me and more like business as usual in disguise.

Congress was "partially at fault" for not passing something only they could pass?  When you look at how difficult it was to get anything passed at all, I give him an A for doing what he did.

You are forgetting the power of veto. Why sign a bill into law that you know is not going to really change anything?

If you think the Affordable Care Act didn't "change anything" then I can't debate the topic any further with you as you are woefully misinformed or intentionally ignorant.
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: TA on October 26, 2012, 03:32:00 PM
Obama failed to deliver on healthcare

Details please

Congress was partially at fault as well. The AHCFAA passed but there was no Public Option, and then there is the Mandate. Seems like no real change to me and more like business as usual in disguise.

Congress was "partially at fault" for not passing something only they could pass?  When you look at how difficult it was to get anything passed at all, I give him an A for doing what he did.

You are forgetting the power of veto. Why sign a bill into law that you know is not going to really change anything?

If you think the Affordable Care Act didn't "change anything" then I can't debate the topic any further with you as you are woefully misinformed or intentionally ignorant.

Tell me, what did it change? What did it do other than giving the Insurance companies more power?
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: Adam on October 26, 2012, 04:00:19 PM
I understand not being happy with either candidate in a two party state, but isn't a vote for the little guy a vote for Romney?

Surely it's best to vote for Obama anyway, if only to keep out the lunatic?

Even aside from politics, I believe Obama is a decent guy (as decent as a politician can get :P ) and he's clearly more intelligent than Romney and most Republicans (I hesitate to say ALL republicans). Actually fuck it, he's clearly more intelligent than any Republicans.

Romney makes me squirm. I just can;t stand the guy at all. Personally I don't see how anyone could ever think of voting Republican. I can't see how anyone would ever vote Tory over here, and the Republicans are way worse than the Tories
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: TheoK on October 26, 2012, 04:01:27 PM
Anarchy ftw  :viking:
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: midlifeaspie on October 27, 2012, 09:33:29 AM
Obama failed to deliver on healthcare

Details please

Congress was partially at fault as well. The AHCFAA passed but there was no Public Option, and then there is the Mandate. Seems like no real change to me and more like business as usual in disguise.

Congress was "partially at fault" for not passing something only they could pass?  When you look at how difficult it was to get anything passed at all, I give him an A for doing what he did.

You are forgetting the power of veto. Why sign a bill into law that you know is not going to really change anything?

If you think the Affordable Care Act didn't "change anything" then I can't debate the topic any further with you as you are woefully misinformed or intentionally ignorant.

Tell me, what did it change? What did it do other than giving the Insurance companies more power?

I'm not getting into what this legislation does, how it works, or why the opposition is so up in arms about it that they are now running their third election season based primarily on opposing or repealing it.  The information is out there if you want to look it up yourself.  I simply don't have it in me any more to educate yet another person on this issue.

Suffice it to say that as an insurance executive and a law student, hearing someone way that this law doesn't "do anything" only reinforces my opinion that the general voting public are so ignorant that we are all doomed.
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: midlifeaspie on October 27, 2012, 09:35:23 AM
I understand not being happy with either candidate in a two party state, but isn't a vote for the little guy a vote for Romney?

I don't follow.  Might be another language barrier thing :)

Here, the "little guy" is the opposite of the "big business".  A vote for Romney is a vote to take money and services away from the "little guy" so the "big business" can ship more American jobs to China and get a tax break for doing it.
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: TheoK on October 27, 2012, 09:41:18 AM
The dilemma with the capitalism being is that it is state capitalism and not true capitalism. That's why most "small guys" are being "robbed".
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: Adam on October 27, 2012, 02:45:51 PM
I understand not being happy with either candidate in a two party state, but isn't a vote for the little guy a vote for Romney?

I don't follow.  Might be another language barrier thing :)

Here, the "little guy" is the opposite of the "big business".  A vote for Romney is a vote to take money and services away from the "little guy" so the "big business" can ship more American jobs to China and get a tax break for doing it.

"the little guy" usually means the same thing here if talking about small shops compareed to supermarkets etc. I didn't mean in business terms tho there - I meant one of the random non Dem/Rep candidates no one in the rest of the world has heard of

Basically surely the only real options are romney or obama. In which case you need to vote for Obama even if only to keep the lunatic out
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: bodie on October 27, 2012, 04:07:06 PM
 :nerdy: I won't pretend to know a fat lot about American politics.

I think i can safely say,  from the ickle bit of knowledge i have digested, that i would be voting for Obama.

Even if i had no knowledge whatsoever i could never vote for Romney.  He just looks like a used car salesman i once knew.   :zoinks:
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: TA on October 27, 2012, 04:13:51 PM
Obama failed to deliver on healthcare

Details please

Congress was partially at fault as well. The AHCFAA passed but there was no Public Option, and then there is the Mandate. Seems like no real change to me and more like business as usual in disguise.

Congress was "partially at fault" for not passing something only they could pass?  When you look at how difficult it was to get anything passed at all, I give him an A for doing what he did.

You are forgetting the power of veto. Why sign a bill into law that you know is not going to really change anything?

If you think the Affordable Care Act didn't "change anything" then I can't debate the topic any further with you as you are woefully misinformed or intentionally ignorant.

Tell me, what did it change? What did it do other than giving the Insurance companies more power?

I'm not getting into what this legislation does, how it works, or why the opposition is so up in arms about it that they are now running their third election season based primarily on opposing or repealing it.  The information is out there if you want to look it up yourself.  I simply don't have it in me any more to educate yet another person on this issue.

Suffice it to say that as an insurance executive and a law student, hearing someone way that this law doesn't "do anything" only reinforces my opinion that the general voting public are so ignorant that we are all doomed.

It does not do anything that will make a real difference and I know most of the provisions of the law.  With that being said, the only thing that will make a real difference is completely socialized medicine modeled after the NHS of the UK.
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: "couldbecousin" on October 27, 2012, 05:18:40 PM
I understand not being happy with either candidate in a two party state, but isn't a vote for the little guy a vote for Romney?

I don't follow.  Might be another language barrier thing :)

Here, the "little guy" is the opposite of the "big business".  A vote for Romney is a vote to take money and services away from the "little guy" so the "big business" can ship more American jobs to China and get a tax break for doing it.

"the little guy" usually means the same thing here if talking about small shops compareed to supermarkets etc. I didn't mean in business terms tho there - I meant one of the random non Dem/Rep candidates no one in the rest of the world has heard of

Basically surely the only real options are romney or obama. In which case you need to vote for Obama even if only to keep the lunatic out

  :agreed:    I vote Democrat because their candidates have the best chance of
  keeping the right-wing Christians out of office, and that is important to me.
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: Adam on October 28, 2012, 03:32:06 PM
I would do the same too

I'm a Labour Party supporter here. Theyre not perfect, but they're the best of a bad bunch, by far. you're not gonna find a party who agrees with you on every single point, are you? So you may as well go with the most decent one that  stands a chance of making a difference
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: Al Swearegen on October 28, 2012, 03:41:24 PM
What ever happened to Ron Paul?
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: Parts on October 28, 2012, 03:44:07 PM
What ever happened to Ron Paul?
He was running as a Republican and did not do so well.  He could have made a go at running as a third party but did not.
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: TA on October 28, 2012, 04:46:04 PM
What ever happened to Ron Paul?

He was screwed by the Romney morons.

(Not a Paultard)
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: midlifeaspie on October 29, 2012, 09:28:14 AM
What ever happened to Ron Paul?

He finally retired.  He never had a chance of winning, but used the campaign every 4 years to bring attention to things that need attention to be brought.
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: Dexter Morgan on November 03, 2012, 12:01:24 AM
Ron Paul: I don't believe in evolution (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JyvkjSKMLw#)
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: odeon on November 03, 2012, 04:16:12 AM
What a fucking moron.
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: Adam on November 03, 2012, 11:49:54 AM
:agreed:
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: TheoK on November 03, 2012, 12:04:16 PM
They all are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAiV6jk9Pl4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAiV6jk9Pl4)
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: Adam on November 03, 2012, 01:33:06 PM
There are intelligent people in govt. There are no intelligent Republicans though
Title: Re: Presidential debate
Post by: TA on November 03, 2012, 10:24:52 PM
 :M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXCKSBU2k4Y&feature=g-u-u (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXCKSBU2k4Y#ws)