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Environmental group finds carcinogen in Pepsi
An environmental group said Wednesday that the caramel coloring used in Pepsi still contains a worrisome level of a carcinogen, even after the drink maker said it would change its formula.
In March, PepsiCo Inc. and Coca-Cola Co. both said they would adjust their formulas nationally after California passed a law mandating drinks containing a certain level of carcinogens come with a cancer warning label. The changes were made for drinks sold in California when the law passed.
The chemical is 4-methylimidazole, or 4-Mel, which can form during the cooking process and, as a result, may be found in trace amounts in many foods.
Watchdog group The Center for Environmental Health found via testing that while Coke products no longer test positive for the chemical, Pepsi products sold outside of California still do.
Pepsi said its caramel coloring suppliers are changing their manufacturing process to cut the amount of 4-Mel in its caramel. That process is complete in California and will be finished in February 2014 in the rest of the country. Pepsi said it will also be taken out globally, but did not indicate a timeline.
Meanwhile, the company said the FDA and other regulatory agencies around the world consider Pepsi's caramel coloring safe.
Coca-Cola said it has transitioned to using a modified caramel in U.S. markets beyond California that does not contain Mel-4, so it wouldn't have to have separate inventory of products for different locations. It also said all of its products, whether they have the modified caramel or not, are safe.
The watchdog group Center for Environmental Health said it commissioned Eurofins Analystical laboratory in Metairie, Louisiana, to test Coke and Pepsi products from California in May and from across the country in June.
The lab did not find the chemical in California products. And it found no 4-Mel in nine out of 10 Coke products outside of the state. But it found levels of 4-Mel that are 4 to 8 times higher than California safety levels in all 10 Pepsi products purchased outside California, according to the Center for Environmental Health.
Trace amounts of 4-Mel have not been linked to cancer in humans. The American Beverage Association said that California added the coloring to its list of carcinogens with no studies showing that it causes cancer in humans. It noted that the listing was based on a single study in lab mice and rats.
The Food and Drug Administration has also said that a consumer would have to drink more than 1,000 cans of soda a day to reach the doses administered that have shown links to cancer in rodents.
Coca-Cola and PepsiCo account for almost 90 percent of the soda market, according to industry tracker Beverage Digest.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/busi...i/2485643/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/busi...i/2485643/)
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Cherry Coke is great.
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I like lemonade.
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I wonder if something in my Vitamin Water will kill me?
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I wonder if something in my Vitamin Water will kill me?
Only the BPA in the bottle it came in
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I drink a lot of Coke so I read about this the other day. The chemical is found in trace amounts according to the article
The Food and Drug Administration has also said that a consumer would have to drink more than 1,000 cans of soda a day to reach the doses administered that have shown links to cancer in rodents.
So I am skeptical, they also had a warning about lead the danger to kids at Disney from the brass doorknobs
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I was drinking 1.5-2 ltrs of coke until last week.
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I was drinking 1.5-2 ltrs of coke until last week.
im skeptical.
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I was drinking 1.5-2 ltrs of coke until last week.
im skeptical.
OK. (No, not going to try to change your mind)
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I wonder if something in my Vitamin Water will kill me?
Only the BPA in the bottle it came in
Plastic toxins are old hat. The environmentalist have much more serious issues on their hands, like soady pop.
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I will keep drinking my cans of Coke Zero.
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Ego quoque Cocam-Colam bibam. Fortuna fortes adiuvat :viking:
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Cherry Coke is great.
Good reaction. :laugh:
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Bibisne Cocam-Colam, puella? :viking:
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I used to drink a lot of coke when I was younger, but I've not really liked it at all for a few years. I've gone completely off it.
I love Lucozade though. I have to make a conscious effort not to drink too much of it.
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So...i'll just add this to the "things that will kill you" flavor of the month list.
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Haven't had pepsi in years :P, every now and then I will crave a coke...but that's only a few times a year at most now.
Still drink ginger ale, not often though.
MIL and the old man are stuck on Mt. Dew, which I think is the nastiest crap ever.
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I am not convinced of there being a vast risk from pepsi, etc. from 4-Me-imidazole...
http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/index.cfm?objectid=9B956B07-F1F6-975E-79BBCDCCD57001C8 (http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/index.cfm?objectid=9B956B07-F1F6-975E-79BBCDCCD57001C8)
Study did find some evidence amongst the highest dosed rats, but at the same time, also studies (I think this one) found that there were also certain decreases in cancers that were statistically greater than allowed for by the decrease in body weight observed at the highest doses.
Bearing in mind also, that these studies used several hundred mg/kg of (rat/mouse) body weight. Average rat weighs between 7-800g-1kg or so (for a really big rat, top end)...whereas a can of the drinks in question, according to wikipedia may contain somewhat over 100mcg.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-Methylimidazole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-Methylimidazole)
Some of the pubmed articles make me tend to think this is overblown, and that the effects seen may even be species specific, rat hepatic metabolic pathways are somewhat different than those of primates. And without incubation with liver enzymes, seemingly 4-MI didn't appear to cause changes in rat or mouse bone marrow or erythrocytes. Studies (Salmonella typhimurium) for genotoxic properties came up negative.
IMO one would die of caffeine poisoning, or alternately, drowning in coke, LONG before they started to see ill effects from consumption of 4-methylimidazole.
And whats surprising about grumpy going through 1.5-2l of coke a day? granted its probably not HEALTHY but its not difficult to do. I practically live off fizzy crap and go through at LEAST one 2l bottle of fizzy shite a day, two when its hot. And I always have a couple of bottles beside my bed for when I get thirsty at night and don't fancy getting out of bed.
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you should weigh 300 lbs
I feel that more people die from diabetes
hastened by consuming too much soft drinks/sweet drinks of any type
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I can't have more than one can of soda per day without the acidity making my stomach hurt. It sucks because soda is tasty, but I'm glad I know and can avoid it.
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I can't have more than one can of soda per day without the acidity making my stomach hurt. It sucks because soda is tasty, but I'm glad I know and can avoid it.
Have to be careful too and try to abide by the one per day limit as well, battery acid in the urinary track. If it weren't so bad for me, would drink it constantly.
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Lol I don't weigh anything even close. There is next to no body fat on me, at least, next to nothing visible while unclothed.
Forgot what I weigh, but its probably not far over 110 or so. I don't seem to gain weight regardless of what I eat, although I'm still young enough to get away with that, without aquiring a middle-aged beer gut.
It does make some people rather envious, lol, when they realize I have a ridiculously sweet tooth. I probably spend way too much on candy too. £25 would dissappear down my neck in a few hours if I let it:P
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Lol I don't weigh anything even close. There is next to no body fat on me, at least, next to nothing visible while unclothed.
Forgot what I weigh, but its probably not far over 110 or so. I don't seem to gain weight regardless of what I eat, although I'm still young enough to get away with that, without aquiring a middle-aged beer gut.
It does make some people rather envious, lol, when they realize I have a ridiculously sweet tooth. I probably spend way too much on candy too. £25 would dissappear down my neck in a few hours if I let it:P
some metabolisms are just like that
I try to maintain at 140 -145 lbs
I do it by avoiding carbs
No sweet drinks at all other than grapefruit juice during the week
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Food-wise I do tend to prefer proteinaceous foodstuffs, lean meat, fish etc. But admittedly I do like a fair few rather unhealthy things, such as (pack of) bacon and (box of) fried egg sandwiches, with a full 12 pack of bacon, interlaced with fried eggs and sliced birds eye chillis, spicy brown sauce and tabasco; for instance. Yum.
The disadvantage of a really fast metabolism though, is it means getting hungry a lot quicker, I might start feeling hungry less than an hour after said sandwich, and two hours later, my insides will be trying to tell my brain that my throat is cut :P
And when I don't HAVE any food, that really blows if I end up going hungry for a week, when theres no money, no food, and nothing to fill my stomach and take away hunger pains but water, with a bit of sugar and a couple of drops of HCl or some citric acid to make at least not completely intolerable.
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Food-wise I do tend to prefer proteinaceous foodstuffs, lean meat, fish etc. But admittedly I do like a fair few rather unhealthy things, such as (pack of) bacon and (box of) fried egg sandwiches, with a full 12 pack of bacon, interlaced with fried eggs and sliced birds eye chillis, spicy brown sauce and tabasco; for instance. Yum.
The disadvantage of a really fast metabolism though, is it means getting hungry a lot quicker, I might start feeling hungry less than an hour after said sandwich, and two hours later, my insides will be trying to tell my brain that my throat is cut :P
And when I don't HAVE any food, that really blows if I end up going hungry for a week, when theres no money, no food, and nothing to fill my stomach and take away hunger pains but water, with a bit of sugar and a couple of drops of HCl or some citric acid to make at least not completely intolerable.
Watch the birds
good example of a fast matabolism
Especially the humming birds
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Things aren't good, at the moment, food-wise.
I'm worried I might have just lost my entire income. Fucking sack of shit dept. of work and pensions are demanding I come in for a medical assessment, yet haven't sent me the forms i need or anything.
Might end up having to go out hunting, if they do, while I wait for it to be reinstated. I'm down to my last can of tuna, a couple of tins of beans, and a few cheapshit, revolting, tasteless, own-brand pot noodle wannabes :(
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That stinks, Lestat. I wish I could make you a sandwich.
Do they have a physical office? I'd sit there and wait until someone produced the forms.
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Did you guys know that there are carcinogens in air? Also just by sitting here and typing I am being bombarded by cosmic rays and other shit that knocks pegs off my DNA which can also cause cancer. Also the process of digesting food can cause cancer. (no kidding) EXISTING CAN CAUSE CANCER. Jesus Christ man. People need to focus on things that actually make a difference.
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that sucks :(
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Just saying. This is wasted money. Wasted time. Same as extensive studies into whether or not removing guns would lower crime in America. At first people claimed some stupid binary study results PROVED THEIR POINT, but then others began doing more extensive shit and proved em wrong. Back and forth back and forth. Its not going to lower crime. Existing could give you cancer. There is no longer a fucking "patriarchy". Religion makes for bad politics and education. You're never going to bring world peace.
STOP IT WITH THE FUCKING FANTASY CRUSADES, YOU ANAL ANUSES. Lets focus on the problems we can solve first, at least, ok? Thanks.
(not directed at anyone in particular, just this idiotic behavior) /rant
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Its true that we are all slowly, in essence 'rusting' away, by virtue of continuously breathing oxygen.
No sense in hurrying that process up however. Although I'm not about to go and stop drinking coke, it tastes too good. Just like I know full well the likes of burgers, scampi, macdonalds (although I refuse to eat chicken nuggets, after finding out how they are made, and of what..ew..gross) are full of processed garbage they still have all those yummy reinforcing servings of glutamate, sugar, salt, fat and mechanically-reclaimed cow-parts that gives their burgers that delightfully addictive nature.
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I used to drink literally nothing but pepsi. As in not even water or anything, just a couple cans of pepsi a day.
Now I only have it occasionally when I get a non-alcoholic drink in a pub/bar, or if I order a take away.
I only get cravings for it occasionally too, while I used to want to drink it all the time.
Lucozade was another one I was "addicted" to too
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*munches contendedly upon a carcino-licious, nitrite-filled, but oh so tasty bacon, fried egg, devilled brown sauce and tabasco sandwich*
Wish there had been more than one pack of bacon left though. Still, 12 slices of bacon and half a box of eggs..filled a big hole at least. *burp*
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*munches contendedly upon a carcino-licious, nitrite-filled, but oh so tasty bacon, fried egg, devilled brown sauce and tabasco sandwich*
Wish there had been more than one pack of bacon left though. Still, 12 slices of bacon and half a box of eggs..filled a big hole at least. *burp*
Crispy bacon is my big weakness when it comes to carcinogens. Smokey bacon flavoured crisps as well, but I hardly eat them.
I only like my bacon cremated, so I have to make an effort to avoid having too many fry-ups.
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I never got the attraction of bacon
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Not a fan of bacon crisps, although I can eat them without suffering. Not a chosen foodstuff however.
Actual bacon, chewy, grilled thick juicy slices of deceased porcine, I can't resist.
Fried egg each side of the bread, bacon in the middle, folded up, wrapped in bacon, and wrapped in another couple of fried eggs, all covered in hot sauce, peppery boletus and black pepper, all wrapped up in butter-covered brown bread...yum!
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Its true that we are all slowly, in essence 'rusting' away, by virtue of continuously breathing oxygen.
No sense in hurrying that process up however. Although I'm not about to go and stop drinking coke, it tastes too good. Just like I know full well the likes of burgers, scampi, macdonalds (although I refuse to eat chicken nuggets, after finding out how they are made, and of what..ew..gross) are full of processed garbage they still have all those yummy reinforcing servings of glutamate, sugar, salt, fat and mechanically-reclaimed cow-parts that gives their burgers that delightfully addictive nature.
I was just pressing the fact that you only live once, and there are other problems to worry about. Problems that may actually have a solution. :lol1:
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Too right.
I couldn't eat it to begin with...but I wouldn't fancy eating nothing but rabbit food, even if I could live to 120 or more.
I like my big juicy slams of steaming, pan-fried steaks too much for that. Sure, I like eating fruit (can't eat veg, sensory worst nightmare...ew), but theres no beating a nice well-done piece of dead animal floating upon a lake of chilli sauce. (seriously...try a nice piece of lean fillet or rump beef steak, fried in tabasco sauce...its delish!)
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I am similar to you, except it is fruit, not vegetables that I avoid. Unless it is in those fruit cups that are available at the shops.
My weakness is cereal. I could eat it all day.
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Love fruit, can't get enough. I'm looking forward to the blackberries ripening, as there are absolutely MASSES of bushes all over the place within between 5 and 20 minutes walk. Can pick bin bags full in a good year, and they make the most fantastic pies.
Very little fruit I won't eat. Tomato, dragon fruit, pitahaya and horned melon are the only ones I can think of. Horned melon is fucking nasty...looks like loogie, tastes sort of like tomato, but worse.
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Both root beer and ginger beer have colouring.
I hate colouring, WHY does it even need colouring. Red bull looks like piss and ppl still drink it. No one gives a fuck about colouring.
Just stop colouring. Unnecessary.
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Love fruit, can't get enough. I'm looking forward to the blackberries ripening, as there are absolutely MASSES of bushes all over the place within between 5 and 20 minutes walk. Can pick bin bags full in a good year, and they make the most fantastic pies.
Very little fruit I won't eat. Tomato, dragon fruit, pitahaya and horned melon are the only ones I can think of. Horned melon is fucking nasty...looks like loogie, tastes sort of like tomato, but worse.
Have you tried durian?
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Once. Never again.
It tastes as bad as it smells. Forget all the shite you read about 'raspberry custard'. It stinks like hydrogen sulfide and rotting alliaceous vegables, leeks, onions, rotting garlic, with strong overtones of burning sulfur.
I forgot durian. Thanks a lot for reminding me..I don't think :P
Lol...I didn't finish eating it, i just couldn't. Used it to get revenge on the tutor whilst in some shitty govt mandated dead end 'college' course. She was a hatchet-faced old sourpuss and total weapons-grade hellbitch. Reduced some girl to tears, telling her she was dole scum. Lovely girl, really, really did absolutely nothing to deserve it, dead quiet, never caused any grief to anybody. So me and my friend daisy tossed a load of durian up in the airvents.
They evacuated the building thinking there was a gas leak (despite the building having no connection to a gas supply....wtf...)
It really did stink that bad, cleared a multi story office block out. And after it started decomposing up in the vents.....oh boy. Not pleasant.
Reminds me kind of the time I, or someone else walking with me, but probably me, somehow tracked stinkhorn spores inside the house, where they started growing on the carpet, behind the fridge. Had to call the gas man out thinking there was a leak (you can smell stinkhorns in the woods for miles, long, LONG before ever seeing them, like a mixture of the mercaptans that are used to stench gas lines, and rotting corpse)
Some people eat those in the egg stage too, although thats the only mushroom thats ever made me sick. Only tried one of the eggs (note-whilst they are by no means tempting fodder, do NOT eat any, repeat ANY mushroom egg, unless you are absolutely certain of its identity, confusion with the immature stages of various Amanita species would likely prove fatal, after much prolonged agony and suffering. The internal structure of Phallus spp, though is quite distinct when cut in cross-section, with any other fungus, other than other stinking phalloids.
It is eaten on the continent..but it made me sick as a fucking dog for a night. Stomach pains, severe nausea and vomiting, and sweating fucking bullets.
Never again.
Granted it was eaten, as a curiosity, that once, along with a dish of mixed waxcaps (Hygrocybe and Hygrophorus species...some are toxic, blackening ones in particular are to be avoided, but I was quite certain of the identification of the species eaten, and do not hold them responsible. But I won't be repeating the experiment with P.impudicus alone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phallus_impudicus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phallus_impudicus)
LOL.
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I drink a lot of Coke so I read about this the other day. The chemical is found in trace amounts according to the article
The Food and Drug Administration has also said that a consumer would have to drink more than 1,000 cans of soda a day to reach the doses administered that have shown links to cancer in rodents.
So I am skeptical, they also had a warning about lead the danger to kids at Disney from the brass doorknobs
That reminds me of the 1970s fuss about Red Dye #2. I was never allowed to have cereal with pretty colors in it. :'(
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Cherry Coke is great.
Good reaction. :laugh:
Jack is not easily frightened, she laughs in the face of danger! 8)
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Lol I don't weigh anything even close. There is next to no body fat on me, at least, next to nothing visible while unclothed.
Forgot what I weigh, but its probably not far over 110 or so. I don't seem to gain weight regardless of what I eat, although I'm still young enough to get away with that, without aquiring a middle-aged beer gut.
It does make some people rather envious, lol, when they realize I have a ridiculously sweet tooth. I probably spend way too much on candy too. £25 would dissappear down my neck in a few hours if I let it:P
some metabolisms are just like that
I try to maintain at 140 -145 lbs
I do it by avoiding carbs
No sweet drinks at all other than grapefruit juice during the week
I'd love to weigh 140-145 pounds, I'm going to attempt it this summer! :situp:
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Did you guys know that there are carcinogens in air? Also just by sitting here and typing I am being bombarded by cosmic rays and other shit that knocks pegs off my DNA which can also cause cancer. Also the process of digesting food can cause cancer. (no kidding) EXISTING CAN CAUSE CANCER. Jesus Christ man. People need to focus on things that actually make a difference.
Life on earth is 100% fatal. :GA:
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I never got the attraction of bacon
I think of coffee, steak, popcorn and :bacon: as foods that smell a lot better than they taste.
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Cherry Coke is great.
Good reaction. :laugh:
Jack is not easily frightened, she laughs in the face of danger! 8)
So do I, hahahaha! :: sips Coke Zero ::
Cool durian story, btw Lestat. I know someone who tried it and she said it tasted possibly like someone farted in her mouth. Then she had trouble getting rid of the rest of it by way of offering it to others.
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yeah, it tastes like rotting leeks, hydrogen sulfide, burning sulfur, badly decomposed garlic/onion stench, or what that would be like, rolled into one nasty package, if it crawled up a sewer rats arsehole and died there.
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but I wouldn't fancy eating nothing but rabbit food, even if I could live to 120 or more.
Actually that's like sentencing a male to a living hell. Pure vegan diets almost always include soy and other things which raises estrogen production by quite a bit. This causes really fucked up side effects in males. Maybe that's what was wrong with that retard, MLA. :P
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No need to insult those with MR, by comparing them to him. I've known/dated many, and they have all been good people.
MLA was just a bit of particularly noxious dinoflagellate alga encrusting on the side of the shit stained toilet bowl that represents his germ line.
Kind of like the catholic paedo priest jizz version of red tide.
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(http://Kind of like the catholic paedo priest jizz version of red tide)
Yeah! With skunks erupting worm infested anal fecal matter after having cannibalized several roadkill skunks the previous day.
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The Romans sweetend their wine with white lead oxide, but then again they were :viking: