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Arena for the Competitive => Main Event Callouts => Topic started by: Al Swearegen on August 11, 2008, 05:11:59 AM
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For those of you wondering who Bob is I will fill you in quickly.
Bob is a female. Bob is not happy. A big part of the reason is that Bob was banned from AFF.
Bob has a history now of being banned from Autistic support sites. Why? Because she is deceptive, manipulating, dishonest, shit-stirring dumb bitch. Apart from that she is an arsehole.
She tried to infer a familiarity here with me that she doesn't have. I did not think for a moment that she was anything but a stupid internet bastard with a grudge. I tried to think who it might be on the internet but to be honest there are more than a few who might have an issue or two with me. I looked at her MO and figured it to be Trish (AKA Lucie1 from AFF). From there on I just wanted her confirmation that she was "playing tough and anonymous". I wanted her to confirm that despite donning a male username and trying to pretend she knew me from other places, that she was the same stupid Lucie1. She was and is.
I know I was instrumental in throwing her out of AFF, hence her dislike of me. I know I have not been overly welcoming of Bob the Bush Pig, BUT.....the way I look at it, she is ALL PROFIT from here. She can hardly be taken seriously. She is too stupid to be embarrassed and I guarantee, here where she is unlikely to hurt anyone, is likely to be hours of fun. I would love to see her stay.
Oh Fuck it is a callout....ummm......
Bob you ugly retarded bitch can you explain to the good people how you know me in real life?
Bob can you explain to us why, for someone supposedly studying at Master's level at Uni, you come across as such a brainless and useless arsehole?
Any reason in particular you wanted to come here and stalk it up? (Thank God she doe not know where in NZ Halle Bopp is)
Is it true you get many "pats on the head" by your family mistaking you for the family pet dog, or is that just a nasty rumour someone is trying to circulate (or start and circulate)?
Can you tell us how you lost your job and why?
Can you tell us - just for laughs - what your plan was in coming here and what you wanted to achieve? Now for a bigger laugh........how do you think you went, you moron?
Ah.....I think that just about does it. (Fuck it can't go any worse than my other callouts. I truly do suck at this kinda thing. :-[ :asthing:)
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/me pops popper and throws streamers.
It's a party!
Oh yeah this is gonna be fun :D
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I like to be nice to my enemies every now and then. Keeps them confused and 1 step closer to emotional breakdown.
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In the fine tradition of the Great Black Adder, any woman with the name "Bob" gets a :plus: in my book. :thumbup:
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A Bob without a knob.
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... she is deceptive, manipulating, dishonest, shit-stirring dumb bitch. Apart from that she is an arsehole.
should fit in here beautifully, then. :laugh:
In the fine tradition of the Great Black Adder, any woman with the name "Bob" gets a :plus: in my book. :thumbup:
i think that, every time i see a post by bob. :LMAO:
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Triste had a sex change?
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Oh damn, I thought this would be a SubGenius thread. Oh well... :yawn:
/wanders off to see who's in shoutbox
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When Sir Les told me who it was, I wasn't surprised. Given that she has no balls in real life, she had to adopt a male persona to get respect. And only a bitch like her could truly fuck things up; you only have to look at Germaine Greer and Maggie Thatcher for prime examples of what bitches on heat will do when they have too much testosterone flooding their systems. Maybe Trish should get a sew on dick and finish the job off; i'ts quite possible she wears the pants in her family, cos her husband is probably as gay as Ricky Martin and Dick Emery combined. Hell, maybe she already has a dick, and her husband carried her rtarded son and gave birth. Either way Trish is one stupid bitch, and the definite proof was her defense of that tosser Zach.
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Bob? Was it something I said? :'(
Come back and let me laugh at you. ;D
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For those of you wondering who Bob is I will fill you in quickly.
Bob is a female. Bob is not happy. A big part of the reason is that Bob was banned from AFF.
Bob has a history now of being banned from Autistic support sites. Why? Because she is deceptive, manipulating, dishonest, shit-stirring dumb bitch. Apart from that she is an arsehole.
She tried to infer a familiarity here with me that she doesn't have. I did not think for a moment that she was anything but a stupid internet bastard with a grudge. I tried to think who it might be on the internet but to be honest there are more than a few who might have an issue or two with me. I looked at her MO and figured it to be Trish (AKA Lucie1 from AFF). From there on I just wanted her confirmation that she was "playing tough and anonymous". I wanted her to confirm that despite donning a male username and trying to pretend she knew me from other places, that she was the same stupid Lucie1. She was and is.
I know I was instrumental in throwing her out of AFF, hence her dislike of me. I know I have not been overly welcoming of Bob the Bush Pig, BUT.....the way I look at it, she is ALL PROFIT from here. She can hardly be taken seriously. She is too stupid to be embarrassed and I guarantee, here where she is unlikely to hurt anyone, is likely to be hours of fun. I would love to see her stay.
Oh Fuck it is a callout....ummm......
Bob you ugly retarded bitch can you explain to the good people how you know me in real life?
Bob can you explain to us why, for someone supposedly studying at Master's level at Uni, you come across as such a brainless and useless arsehole?
Any reason in particular you wanted to come here and stalk it up? (Thank God she doe not know where in NZ Halle Bopp is)
Is it true you get many "pats on the head" by your family mistaking you for the family pet dog, or is that just a nasty rumour someone is trying to circulate (or start and circulate)?
Can you tell us how you lost your job and why?
Can you tell us - just for laughs - what your plan was in coming here and what you wanted to achieve? Now for a bigger laugh........how do you think you went, you moron?
Ah.....I think that just about does it. (Fuck it can't go any worse than my other callouts. I truly do suck at this kinda thing. :-[ :asthing:)
Yes, but is there any reason you don't like Bob? :P
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/dies.
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:soapbox: :hair: :flamer: :litigious: :flames: :wanker: :hahaha: :pwned: :'( :kapow:
I think that sums up Trish entirely/
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Maybe Bob forgot an "o" in her name...
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Yes, but is there any reason you don't like Bob? :P
No not really. >:D
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We have a Bob now? I hadn't noticed.
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Maybe Bob forgot an "o" in her name...
Or maybe the lack of that extra "o" signifies something. :laugh:
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Maybe Bob forgot an "o" in her name...
Or maybe the lack of that extra "o" signifies something. :laugh:
What, like maybe with a "B" tattooed on each butt cheek, he can just moon everyone to introduce himself?
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Maybe Bob forgot an "o" in her name...
Or maybe the lack of that extra "o" signifies something. :laugh:
What, like maybe with a "B" tattooed on each butt cheek, he can just moon everyone to introduce himself?
That's "BB". :P
None of you spazzes can spell. ;)
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Maybe Bob forgot an "o" in her name...
Or maybe the lack of that extra "o" signifies something. :laugh:
What, like maybe with a "B" tattooed on each butt cheek, he can just moon everyone to introduce himself?
That's "BB". :P
None of you spazzes can spell. ;)
*takes a giant black Magic Marker, sets the "B"s in place, shows Odeon the full moon*
OK, OK, so it actually looks like B o B
(So what if I squeak Proud Mary when I fart.)
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:LMAO:
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Maybe Bob forgot an "o" in her name...
Or maybe the lack of that extra "o" signifies something. :laugh:
What, like maybe with a "B" tattooed on each butt cheek, he can just moon everyone to introduce himself?
That's "BB". :P
None of you spazzes can spell. ;)
*takes a giant black Magic Marker, sets the "B"s in place, shows Odeon the full moon*
OK, OK, so it actually looks like B o B
(So what if I squeak Proud Mary when I fart.)
that is some accomplishment, dawg!
/me is IMPRESSED!
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Maybe Bob forgot an "o" in her name...
Or maybe the lack of that extra "o" signifies something. :laugh:
What, like maybe with a "B" tattooed on each butt cheek, he can just moon everyone to introduce himself?
That's "BB". :P
None of you spazzes can spell. ;)
*takes a giant black Magic Marker, sets the "B"s in place, shows Odeon the full moon*
OK, OK, so it actually looks like B o B
(So what if I squeak Proud Mary when I fart.)
that is some accomplishment, dawg!
/me is IMPRESSED!
*bows, maintains continence*
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*runs away, squeaks, "OH, say can you see ..."*
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** my eyes, if you can then my hair's too short **
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Where's Annie? :bangbang: Where's Annie? :bangbang:
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she's gone to get her gun.
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She's gone to Oakleigh to find it. Trouble is, she took a wrong turn at Caulfield and was last seen heading out toward Frankston.
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she's gone to get her gun.
Rocket launcher, more like. :P
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She's gone to Oakleigh to find it. Trouble is, she took a wrong turn at Caulfield and was last seen heading out toward Frankston.
Hey! I used to live in Frankston.
Erm I'll just be moving along now... :-[
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Ah, shit!
So now that I find out that Bob is female, I see how my joke does not work.
Big "B"s tattoed on her ass would not work, because when she moons us, to introduce HERself, it would actually look like ...
B i B
... not Bob!
Nevermind!
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:laugh:
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:laugh:
OK, enough sarcasm.
Do we know Bob from before?
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:laugh:
OK, enough sarcasm.
Do we know Bob from before?
No, not from what Sir Les said about Bob.
Apparently, Bob and Sir Les posted on AFF together.
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she's gone to get her gun.
Rocket launcher, more like. :P
"If I had a rocket Launcher
some sonovabitch would die" Bruce Cockburn
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** my eyes, if you can then my hair's too short **
Cowsills rule......................NOT :plus:
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Trish, Trish, aren't you coming out to play? I mean, you were willing to flash your golden-bronze around here before. Or has the pussy got your tampon.... :hahaha:
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Where's Annie? :bangbang: Where's Annie? :bangbang:
Geez. HAs EVERYONE forgotten about "Twin Peaks?" ::)
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Twin What's? Oh HER'S. Seen much better in a training bra.
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Where's Annie? :bangbang: Where's Annie? :bangbang:
Geez. HAs EVERYONE forgotten about "Twin Peaks?" ::)
Apparently so.
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Where's Annie? :bangbang: Where's Annie? :bangbang:
Geez. HAs EVERYONE forgotten about "Twin Peaks?" ::)
What does that mean?
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:laugh:
OK, enough sarcasm.
Do we know Bob from before?
No, not from what Sir Les said about Bob.
Apparently, Bob and Sir Les posted on AFF together.
... and she goes by Trish over there?
It seems that I remember a Trish but possibly she was from another site.
Dunno.
OK, Trish. You can be Bob. Let's play.
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"Bob" loves you. Especially if you send 50 bucks to the Church of the Subgenius in Dallas, TX, care of Rev. Ivan Stang.
Remember:
Jesus Is Our Bob.
Bob Is Our Hope.
Jesus Is Bob Hope.
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Where's Annie? :bangbang: Where's Annie? :bangbang:
Geez. HAs EVERYONE forgotten about "Twin Peaks?" ::)
Never saw the show to begin with. :P
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Where's Annie? :bangbang: Where's Annie? :bangbang:
Geez. HAs EVERYONE forgotten about "Twin Peaks?" ::)
Never saw the show to begin with. :P
Had to wkik. I reven saw it either. I've been off off television for a good while
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** my eyes, if you can then my hair's too short **
Cowsills rule......................NOT :plus:
I was actually thinking of the Original Cast Recording. But yeah, I prefer the Shaggs myself.
/waits for Ozzy to make obvious joke here
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** my eyes, if you can then my hair's too short **
Cowsills rule......................NOT :plus:
I was actually thinking of the Original Cast Recording. But yeah, I prefer the Shaggs myself.
/waits for Ozzy to make obvious joke here
Brain too tired, can't hold out much longer, need sleep, need to crawl into.........................wtf, wife is beckoning me into her boudoir, blood pumping surging thru my veins, feel petrification in strategic location,............later dudes! :eyebrows:
A shagging I wil go, A shagging I will go hi ho the derry O, A shagging I will go!
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Thanks, Ozzy. Isn't he swell, folks! :clap:
We'll be here all week. Please tip your waitresses, and then right them again. Especially Darlene--she's due to give birth this month.
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Thanks, Ozzy. Isn't he swell, folks! :clap:
We'll be here all week. Please tip your waitresses, and then right them again. Especially Darlene--she's due to give brith this month.
Here's a tip for the waitresses: Show more cleavage! :boobs:
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:D
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Another tip: Don't chop onions; get a blender.
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Thanks, Ozzy. Isn't he swell, folks! :clap:
We'll be here all week. Please tip your waitresses, and then right them again. Especially Darlene--she's due to give brith this month.
Thank you, :roses: thank you, your a wonderful audience. :happydance: :peace: :toporly:
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I'd like to say thank you on behalf of the group ourselves, and I hope we passed the audition....
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Where's Annie? :bangbang: Where's Annie? :bangbang:
Geez. HAs EVERYONE forgotten about "Twin Peaks?" ::)
I've been TRYING TO. :P
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:laugh:
OK, enough sarcasm.
Do we know Bob from before?
No, not from what Sir Les said about Bob.
Apparently, Bob and Sir Les posted on AFF together.
I'm told she caused a lot of trouble on a site called AspergerInfo and then after she was banned from there, she went to wreak further havoc upon the good folks of AFF. It might not have been so bad had she confined her depredations to the bad folks. :evillaugh:
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:laugh:
OK, enough sarcasm.
Do we know Bob from before?
No, not from what Sir Les said about Bob.
Apparently, Bob and Sir Les posted on AFF together.
I'm told she caused a lot of trouble on a site called AspergerInfo and then after she was banned from there, she went to wreak further havoc upon the good folks of AFF. It might not have been so bad had she confined her depredations to the bad folks. :evillaugh:
Spot on. We weren't so much posting together as posting at each other. :).
Bob targeted a critically ill woman on AFF for most of her venom but liked to side with anyone who could cause trouble there and even to the extant of coaching someone by Pm to ring this ill lady on another continent, after vaguely piecing together where she was. Apart from that she was an arsehole of the highest order and she hated me because I pretty much called her out on her shit and went to great lengths to get her thrown out on her arse and her supporters too.
That is basically it. Much of what you would hear from Bob in addressing this is either to dismiss it entirely as a lie (but she knows I have and will post proof to confirm this) or to justify her mentality. At the end of the day she is a bitch and I think gets off on being an oxygen theif.
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Maybe we should substitute CO2 for oxygen during her sleep and polish the bitch off once and for all. And while we're at it, we can polish off Timelord as well.
Or we could put both of them in the same room, pump the oxygen out and watch them strangle trying to breathe. I wouldn't be surprised if she put Timelord up to suing AFF, just to get some revenge due to her PMS.
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Actually they make the perfect couple. He is arrogant, righteous and looking for sycophants to ingratiate themselves on him like they do on his site and she is a scheming bitch would loves others to cause trouble for her lulz. She is extremely sycophantic to arseholes if there is a hint of dissent in them. See why those two couldn't not get along?
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:clap:Hey, maybe she and Kosmo would be a match made in heaven. I don't think Kosmo would put up with too much bs though and she might get bored after a while.
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TL actually has my calling him a sexually frustrated tosser on his Wiki - and he didn't reference that it was me. I'm going to sue him for using my words without permission. I'm impressed his wife doesn't mind having a Brillo pad making love to her every night so I may let it slide cuz I'm sure they have enough issues to deal with.
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TL actually has my calling him a sexually frustrated tosser on his Wiki - and he didn't reference that it was me. I'm going to sue him for using my words without permission. I'm impressed his wife doesn't mind having a Brillo pad making love to her every night so I may let it slide cuz I'm sure they have enough issues to deal with.
He seems to be one of those people who love to take posts from other sites and such and mock them. Pretty brave to mock people on a blog spot without fear of getting hit back. ::)
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But this is the internet, where even the weakest fuckwit cna be Mr Universe.
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"We're going to pump you up!"
(old saturday night live skit) :P
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This is the surfing police. Come on. Let's go surfing now. Everybody show you now. Come on a safari with us.
Or something like that.
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"SURF'S UP" :green:
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oh wow!!!!!!!!!!!! five pages devoted to bob ---- thanks guys :asthing:
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Pity you weren't actually worth it.
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Pity you weren't actually worth it.
And yet you wasted your time on her/him/it...
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Pity you weren't actually worth it.
And yet you wasted your time on her/him/it...
:plus:
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And so did both of you, so that makes you just as big fucktards.....
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gotta love ya :lol:
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oh wow!!!!!!!!!!!! five pages devoted to bob ---- thanks guys :asthing:
And I still don't know who you are :green:
Now I expect a full ten page essay on who you are for tomorrow ;)
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And so did both of you, so that makes you just as big fucktards.....
I've never said Bob was a waste of time herself. I think she is wasting her time on certain posters here and I wish she'd be more involved in the rest of the forum ;)
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margined, spellchecked and punctuated. But given she is only periodically here, like the average menstual flow, I wouldn't expect much more than gibberish.
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oh wow!!!!!!!!!!!! five pages devoted to bob ---- thanks guys :asthing:
And I still don't know who you are :green:
Now I expect a full ten page essay on who you are for tomorrow ;)
no - I don't have many words --- and as others have noticed- I'm not clever or witty with them. I'm just me - bob. Nice to know you parts. :eyelash: ;)
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...I wouldn't expect much more than gibberish.
If that is the case... then she'll fit right in :green:
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gosh - we are all here :green: I feel like I am home amongst friends. :angel:
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margined, spellchecked and punctuated. But given she is only periodically here, like the average menstual flow, I wouldn't expect much more than gibberish.
You're such a sweetie :eyelash:
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And so did both of you, so that makes you just as big fucktards.....
I've never said Bob was a waste of time herself. I think she is wasting her time on certain posters here and I wish she'd be more involved in the rest of the forum ;)
And given that most of AFF thought she was a waste of space, they can't be all that wrong. But seeing as we only see the bullshit mask that is bob, who knows how much bullshit lies underneath?
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And given that most of AFF thought she was a waste of space...
Personally, I came to the conclusion a few years ago that much of AFF is itself a waste of space. :P I'm not keen on their judgements.
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oh wow!!!!!!!!!!!! five pages devoted to bob ---- thanks guys :asthing:
And I still don't know who you are :green:
Now I expect a full ten page essay on who you are for tomorrow ;)
no - I don't have many words --- and as others have noticed- I'm not clever or witty with them. I'm just me - bob. Nice to know you parts. :eyelash: ;)
Nice to know you too :zoinks:
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^^ agreed - they hated me - well not everyone at Aff I guess -- just the mob. such is life. I served a purpose there though - I was the scapegoat - after I left the turned on each other, and now the forum is archived.
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...I wouldn't expect much more than gibberish.
If that is the case... then she'll fit right in :green:
Well she just took a Karma point off me... so I guess Bob didn't understand I wasn't being rude about her in that post - but rude about her detractors. Ah well ::) Its amazing how many people miss the word 'If' :o
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oops - sorry nocturnalist - it is good to see your words again. I didn't mean to take a karma point off you. It was nice to see you posting here still - I meant to add to your karma.
I will give two karma points to make up for my mistake. Are your wife and family okay?
I wish you well.
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Are your wife and family okay?
They're fine :)
Don't worry about the Karma stuff... its of little consequence :green:
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And so did both of you, so that makes you just as big fucktards.....
I've never said Bob was a waste of time herself. I think she is wasting her time on certain posters here and I wish she'd be more involved in the rest of the forum ;)
And given that most of AFF thought she was a waste of space, they can't be all that wrong. But seeing as we only see the bullshit mask that is bob, who knows how much bullshit lies underneath?
Assumptions based on false logic. Not just the AFF thing, but assuming because you think someone is a waste of time, then everyone should think it.
On the AFF thing, let me remind you that Christianity is believed by billions...surely they all can't be wrong in their belief of zombie jesus saving their souls... (even if they bible mentions nothing of the sort).
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^^I remember reading a post where the chosen one was upset - and he said to someone "you leave my fu***ing karma alone" - made me laugh.
Is it really of no consequence .... I think it is a subtle and effective way to moderate a forum.
On a second look of your post - I see you said "of little consequence" ..... I agree.
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Is it really of no consequence...
OK it has some amusement value :green:
I think TCO attaches more importance to it though - but that's fine, no slight to him on that :)
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yeah - it's a bit of fun :agreed:
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And so did both of you, so that makes you just as big fucktards.....
I've never said Bob was a waste of time herself. I think she is wasting her time on certain posters here and I wish she'd be more involved in the rest of the forum ;)
And given that most of AFF thought she was a waste of space, they can't be all that wrong. But seeing as we only see the bullshit mask that is bob, who knows how much bullshit lies underneath?
Assumptions based on false logic. Not just the AFF thing, but assuming because you think someone is a waste of time, then everyone should think it.
On the AFF thing, let me remind you that Christianity is believed by billions...surely they all can't be wrong in their belief of zombie jesus saving their souls... (even if they bible mentions nothing of the sort).
The only reason they follow that shit is cos they are all mindless sheep who can't think for themselves. Much like most internet forums, when you come down to it. Christians would much rather follow a bullshit belief system than see reality and what it has in store for them. There is no god, there is no hereafter. You die, and that's it. Pffft. Like the internet, once a network ceases, or the thing goes down, Pffft. Nothing. So it doesn't suprise me that a lot of fucktards posting on forums believe in God and follow Christianity, afterall, religion and the internet are both built on misinformation, lies and bullying.
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And so did both of you, so that makes you just as big fucktards.....
I've never said Bob was a waste of time herself. I think she is wasting her time on certain posters here and I wish she'd be more involved in the rest of the forum ;)
And given that most of AFF thought she was a waste of space, they can't be all that wrong. But seeing as we only see the bullshit mask that is bob, who knows how much bullshit lies underneath?
Assumptions based on false logic. Not just the AFF thing, but assuming because you think someone is a waste of time, then everyone should think it.
On the AFF thing, let me remind you that Christianity is believed by billions...surely they all can't be wrong in their belief of zombie jesus saving their souls... (even if they bible mentions nothing of the sort).
The only reason they follow that shit is cos they are all mindless sheep who can't think for themselves. Much like most internet forums, when you come down to it. Christians would much rather follow a bullshit belief system than see reality and what it has in store for them. There is no god, there is no hereafter. You die, and that's it. Pffft. Like the internet, once a network ceases, or the thing goes down, Pffft. Nothing. So it doesn't suprise me that a lot of fucktards posting on forums believe in God and follow Christianity, afterall, religion and the internet are both built on misinformation, lies and bullying.
So they're all wrong? Just like AFF could be?
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Everywhere, son. Everywhere. Christianity is fucked, the internet is fucked. There are exceptions, such as bob. But basically, all of Christianity are deluded fucks believing in some shit that ain't real. Look at here, for eample. You are all sheep as well, blindly following the herd. When some cunt like dunc says jump, you say how high. so like Christainity, you are doomed to behaving like a group of wankers expecting an eternal life in heaven.
It don't exist for either. there is nothing, nada, zip, zilch. The big goose egg. It's all bullshit, and everyone has been conned.
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Everywhere, son. Everywhere. Christianity is fucked, the internet is fucked. There are exceptions, such as bob. But basically, all of Christianity are deluded fucks believing in some shit that ain't real. Look at here, for eample. You are all sheep as well, blindly following the herd. When some cunt like dunc says jump, you say how high. so like Christainity, you are doomed to behaving like a group of wankers expecting an eternal life in heaven.
It don't exist for either. there is nothing, nada, zip, zilch. The big goose egg. It's all bullshit, and everyone has been conned.
So dunc is GOD :o
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Well, considering god is a man-made concept, and a figurehead, you people have given him that title. In reality he is no more god than I am. And in reality, he is just another person wasting his time on a forum. Just another tosser in the salad of cyberspace. If it weren't for Bill Gates and Microsoft, dunc wouldn't have an existence at all, as none of you would be here. So in essence, you could say Bill Gates is god. But that's even bullshit too, because he was just another jerk with money who created some bullshit program. Just another geek.
As far as gods and figureheads and shit go, if you want to waste your time lauding them and believing in them, then psychoanalysis is the only answer.
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You fools I am GOD
" And God shall walk among you and his name will be PARTS" Book of Parts 34:2:4
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And so did both of you, so that makes you just as big fucktards.....
I've never said Bob was a waste of time herself. I think she is wasting her time on certain posters here and I wish she'd be more involved in the rest of the forum ;)
And given that most of AFF thought she was a waste of space, they can't be all that wrong. But seeing as we only see the bullshit mask that is bob, who knows how much bullshit lies underneath?
By that logic, Sir Les would also be a waste of space, since he was also banned by Amy and/or Gareth in AFF's most recent banning spree, The Chosen One.
I don't consider the people on AFF to be good judges of anything.
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You fools I am GOD
" And God shall walk among you and his name will be PARTS" Book of Parts 34:2:4
:respect:
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You fools I am GOD
O RLY? :orly:
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Given that Trish is a troublemaker wherever she goes, and given she spits her venom at whoever stands in her way when she doesn't get what she wants, on this occasion they were right. Amy did go off her tree and fucked it up for everyone else, though. But the rot would have started with TheZach, Lucie1 and Timelord.
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You really do need to get life chosen. There must be better things to do than sit here all day making nasty comments.
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Face it bitch, it is true. Everyone I know who has come accross you concurs. They think you are the nastiest person they have come accross, and think that you are the prime reason thing s at certain sites have been fucked up. I wonder if all this venom goes back to your childhood. Were you abused? Were you raped as a teenager? Were you tortured by authority at school? Were you just plain bitter to begin with? All that bullshit had to come from somewhere, and given that your alliances with TheZach and Timelord were completely misplaced, means you fucked yourself yet again. Vexatious litigants like those 2 cause no end of trouble for the court system, and the fact that both of them joined with each other to bully others (John Best for eg) proves that your association with them has tainted you for good. You say you don't know TL, but it's guilt by association, as you are supporting Zach when it's obvious Sir Les and the rest are right. And the funny thing is, TL even turned on Zach, and the rumour was he tried to get him committed (as TL is from here it was bullshit, but Zach still shit himself). Now both of them are all over the net throwing lawsuits around, and here you are sticking up for them again. Hell, maybe you egged them on, given your vile drivel that you inflict on others who cross your path. Now why don't you go back to reading your copy of New Idea and have a cup of tea and a good lie down before you give us another PMS rant?
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I think that AFF is messed up because of Gareth and Amy. Just look at what they have done lately.
I read this announcement there:
Locked and archived
The forum is now temporarily locked and archived. To those who created this situation and wanted to cause so much trouble: well done, you've won. Those who did not want this, we'll leave this mess alone for a while and hopefully things will not persist like this.
Apparently if you don't kowtow to Gareth and Amy, they ban you.
If people become upset with them after a big banning spree, they pack up their marbles and go home. I guess that it is their forum so they get to choose to do that.
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AFF=WP with a different smell. And vice versa.
No, that's not really true. WP tries to be a support site for AS and kin. AFF is militant.
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You have to have millitancy to a certain extent, becuase otherwise people walk all over you. Here ther is a trend amongst some to hound others who don't fit in with their idea on what a person should post. there are some good people here too, but the ones practicing the bullying are making it bad for everyone else. If you don't stand up for yourself, you are fucked. If you toe the line, you become a sheep and get walked over. Even though AFF has fucked up with it's attitude recently, I'd much prefer their way to Alex's bullshit at WP. But saying that, if you were to compare here to any other site, like Soph's, zOMG doesn't seem to have people wanting to target others and make them feel unwlecome. They throw shit, same as here, but in the end everyone seems to get on.
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There's a difference between being strong of will and being militant. A big difference.
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If you aren't millitant, you get your arse kicked. You have to buck the system now and then to show that you aren't just another cog in the machine. But in certain circumstances authority still has to be obeyed. It must always be questioned, but obeyed. I don't really count internet authority as being much in the way of being something that must be obeyed without question, because the internet isn't real life. In AFF's case, even though they were a group who would slap down people who didn't toe the line, some exceptions had to be made. As with Trish. She had made trouble with people on that site, such as Woman From Mars, Tigger, Max The Bear, as well as other. She also fucked it up for Mark Winter at Asperger Info by telling others to STFU if they didn't agree with her, and she'd threaten people by PM. She'd also set others against each other by starting fights and saying 'what, moi?', Then she'd deny anything of the sort. That is her way when she doesn't get what she wants, so Sir Les and anyone else who disagrees with her is bound to cop shit from her. Fortunately for me, I can see through all this bravaddo and bullshit and I can truly see what a nasty piece of work she is.
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I'd rather be Xavier than Magneto.
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You fools I am GOD
" And God shall walk among you and his name will be PARTS" Book of Parts 34:2:4
So much for Connecticut being a glorified suburb of New York City! :P
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Fuck all this talk of other sites constantly talk about something fresh and remember I am GOD you must obey
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Nocti is a big ass. Bob has big man hands.
If that is the case... then she'll fit right in :green:
Bob the butt plug. ;D Welcome back Bob!
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oh wow!!!!!!!!!!!! five pages devoted to bob ---- thanks guys :asthing:
No we were mindlessly spamming on I2 and it happened to be on a titled devoted to you. The posts had nothing to do with you. Of course being a brainiac you would know this by reading the posts.....rigggghhhhtt!!!
Don't worry Trish. If you need something devoted to you, I have an upset stomach and will devote..... :poop:
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Funny, I had a Trish before earlier too. Felt better out than in, being as she is one great pain in the quoit.
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Funny, I had a Trish before earlier too. Felt better out than in, being as she is one great pain in the quoit.
:hahaha: :wanker: :-*
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Funny, I had a Trish before earlier too. Felt better out than in, being as she is one great pain in the quoit.
:hahaha: :wanker: :-*
I was thinking of you at the time, Kosmo.
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Funny, I had a Trish before earlier too. Felt better out than in, being as she is one great pain in the quoit.
:hahaha: :wanker: :-*
I was thinking of you at the time, Kosmo.
:hahaha:
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Funny, I had a Trish before earlier too. Felt better out than in, being as she is one great pain in the quoit.
:hahaha: :wanker: :-*
I was thinking of you at the time, Kosmo.
:hahaha:
:gotowp: :penis: :fos:
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And in reality, he is just another person wasting his time on a forum. Just another tosser in the salad of cyberspace.
610 bring us to this point. Will TCO make 610 posts more... or is he calling it a day? Mmmm, I wonder :lol:
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You really do need to get life chosen. There must be better things to do than sit here all day making nasty comments.
He likes to toss the salad of cyberspace :lol:
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In AFF's case, even though they were a group who would slap down people who didn't toe the line, some exceptions had to be made. As with Trish. She had made trouble with people on that site, such as Woman From Mars, Tigger, Max The Bear, as well as other. She also fucked it up for Mark Winter at Asperger Info by telling others to STFU if they didn't agree with her, and she'd threaten people by PM. She'd also set others against each other by starting fights and saying 'what, moi?', Then she'd deny anything of the sort. That is her way when she doesn't get what she wants, so Sir Les and anyone else who disagrees with her is bound to cop shit from her.
Um... but you just said the Internet wasn't real. So if the medium is not real, how can all that be real. I do not think it is necessarilly delusion, but you, TCO, keeps stating that you do - and yet you get so very upset about it all ::)
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You really do need to get life chosen. There must be better things to do than sit here all day making nasty comments.
He likes to toss the salad of cyberspace :lol:
I am glad you two have reunited. It is a love story for the ages....."Nocti & Bob - When Ass meets Fist". Oh I am such a romantic. :-*
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In AFF's case, even though they were a group who would slap down people who didn't toe the line, some exceptions had to be made. As with Trish. She had made trouble with people on that site, such as Woman From Mars, Tigger, Max The Bear, as well as other. She also fucked it up for Mark Winter at Asperger Info by telling others to STFU if they didn't agree with her, and she'd threaten people by PM. She'd also set others against each other by starting fights and saying 'what, moi?', Then she'd deny anything of the sort. That is her way when she doesn't get what she wants, so Sir Les and anyone else who disagrees with her is bound to cop shit from her.
Um... but you just said the Internet wasn't real. So if the medium is not real, how can all that be real. I do not think it is necessarilly delusion, but you, TCO, keeps stating that you do - and yet you get so very upset about it all ::)
Despite the high IQ you believe you have, that thinking thing you try on occasion, don't do it. You really aren't that good at it and you embarass youself
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I am glad you two have reunited. It is a love story for the ages....."Nocti & Bob - When Ass meets Fist". Oh I am such a romantic. :-*
You're just crippled with envy :eyebrows:
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You really do need to get life chosen. There must be better things to do than sit here all day making nasty comments.
He likes to toss the salad of cyberspace :lol:
I am glad you two have reunited. It is a love story for the ages....."Nocti & Bob - When Ass meets Fist". Oh I am such a romantic. :-*
Not meaning to derail the love in going on here. But, Sir_Les, what happened over at AFF?? ???
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Near as I can say Amy did an Amy. Was called to rights and asked to explain herself and apologise and did not like it. She tried getting authoritarian about it and in the intervening discussion in which a couple of posters disagreed actively against her, she tried every responsibility dodge for her actions before accusing them of bullying and banning about 7 members. approx 60 more have walked out in disgust and set up another forum and she has locked down the forum and is in the process of "editing" posts and deleting posts to re-write history.
Another year or two it will be like no-one joining will know there are bodies in the backyard but the year old plants flourish well in certain parts of the garden ;D
That is provided that there is enough activity to sustain AFF.
I think they will be OK.
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Near as I can say Amy did an Amy. Was called to rights and asked to explain herself and apologise and did not like it. She tried getting authoritarian about it and in the intervening discussion in which a couple of posters disagreed actively against her, she tried every responsibility dodge for her actions before accusing them of bullying and banning about 7 members. approx 60 more have walked out in disgust and set up another forum and she has locked down the forum and is in the process of "editing" posts and deleting posts to re-write history.
Another year or two it will be like no-one joining will know there are bodies in the backyard but the year old plants flourish well in certain parts of the garden ;D
That is provided that there is enough activity to sustain AFF.
I think they will be OK.
My, my, I wonder what they thought of my "Goodbye AFF thread? Oh well, I talked to my daughter about AFF and she is just NOT interested in going there. Like me, she's at a point where she has numerous other interests and AS forums don't fill a need for her.
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Near as I can say Amy did an Amy. Was called to rights and asked to explain herself and apologise and did not like it. She tried getting authoritarian about it and in the intervening discussion in which a couple of posters disagreed actively against her, she tried every responsibility dodge for her actions before accusing them of bullying and banning about 7 members. approx 60 more have walked out in disgust and set up another forum and she has locked down the forum and is in the process of "editing" posts and deleting posts to re-write history.
You are so full of bullshit and exaggeration les :thumbdn:
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:yawn:
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You really do need to get life chosen. There must be better things to do than sit here all day making nasty comments.
He likes to toss the salad of cyberspace :lol:
I am glad you two have reunited. It is a love story for the ages....."Nocti & Bob - When Ass meets Fist". Oh I am such a romantic. :-*
Not meaning to derail the love in going on here. But, Sir_Les, what happened over at AFF?? ???
Amy was always a force on that forum, but most of her work went on behind the scenes. AFF was set up with good intentions.
A mob have held quite powerful influence on AFF for too long.
The mob didn't like it when Amy banned one of their members for 48 hours. This lead to the mob bullying the admin. and working against the interests of forum, (but of course they continued to use the AFF forum while they did this ::)).
Les had been PMing other members to leave AFF and go to another forum started by evilzakkie. Amy banned 3 of the ringleaders max, les and Pika. About 10 people, left to go to the other forum, not 60 as stated by Les.
You portray Sir Les very well rossco. Sir Les Patterson, alterego of Dame Edna was as much a slimeball as you are.
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You really do need to get life chosen. There must be better things to do than sit here all day making nasty comments.
He likes to toss the salad of cyberspace :lol:
I am glad you two have reunited. It is a love story for the ages....."Nocti & Bob - When Ass meets Fist". Oh I am such a romantic. :-*
Not meaning to derail the love in going on here. But, Sir_Les, what happened over at AFF?? ???
Amy was always a force on that forum, but most of her work went on behind the scenes. AFF was set up with good intentions.
A mob have held quite powerful influence on AFF for too long.
The mob didn't like it when Amy banned one of their members for 48 hours. This lead to the mob bullying the admin. and working against the interests of forum, (but of course they continued to use the AFF forum while they did this ::)).
Les had been PMing other members to leave AFF and go to another forum started by evilzakkie. Amy banned 3 of the ringleaders max, les and Pika. About 10 people, left to go to the other forum, not 60 as stated by Les.
You portray Sir Les very well rossco. Sir Les Patterson, alterego of Dame Edna was as much a slimeball as you are.
Just so we understand each other...I have nothing but, good feelings towards Amy and Gareth, though I may have my issues with some of their viewpoints. I, in no way advocate any harm to the site. I am neutral! And I still see evilzakkie as a member in full standing there. So whatever is happening, did not influence my saying good bye on AFF. Many people I consider friends from that and other old time sites, have left AFF and never returned. My reasons for leaving there are clear and concise and mine and mine alone.
This is my opinion on each and every site out there. And AFF is as good an example as I can come up with. AFF BELONGS and is the PROPERTY of Amy and Gareth, pure and simple, it's not a democracy nor a constitutional monarchy. Anybody who goes there has to realize, that when you enter someone else's "property" you , must abide by THEIR rules and wishes. I don't always agree with those rules and wishes, BUT, it is my choice to enter or NOT to enter, or for that matter to leave. Amy and Gareth have been fair to me and my daughter, but, somethings there I can't agree with or no longer feel that it is a place for me and her to hang around in. No animosity or ill feeling is part of my decision.
Aspiechaos belongs to calandale, if I were to go there, the same thought applies. WP belongs to Alex, ditto, TheNeurolands belongs to the Neuroman, etc, etc, etc.
I seem to be friends with people on both sides of the issues, why I don't know and I don't care. I simply am. I like TCO, Sir_Les, Nocturnalist, Amy, CouldbeCousin, and many others who seem to be on polarizing opposite sides of issues. So, I'll just sit here and watch the drama unfold and form my own opinions and do what I feel needs to be done.
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You really do need to get life chosen. There must be better things to do than sit here all day making nasty comments.
He likes to toss the salad of cyberspace :lol:
I am glad you two have reunited. It is a love story for the ages....."Nocti & Bob - When Ass meets Fist". Oh I am such a romantic. :-*
Not meaning to derail the love in going on here. But, Sir_Les, what happened over at AFF?? ???
Amy was always a force on that forum, but most of her work went on behind the scenes. AFF was set up with good intentions.
A mob have held quite powerful influence on AFF for too long.
The mob didn't like it when Amy banned one of their members for 48 hours. This lead to the mob bullying the admin. and working against the interests of forum, (but of course they continued to use the AFF forum while they did this ::)).
Les had been PMing other members to leave AFF and go to another forum started by evilzakkie. Amy banned 3 of the ringleaders max, les and Pika. About 10 people, left to go to the other forum, not 60 as stated by Les.
You portray Sir Les very well rossco. Sir Les Patterson, alterego of Dame Edna was as much a slimeball as you are.
Actually that is not correct either Lucie.Are you making this up as you go? You were banned well before I.
Who was banned? Well me, Max, Korrigan, PikaJedi, Bardwolf, MicGrace and EvilZakkie (I haven't really kept up with it too well. There maybe more)
Amy had not been behind the scenes, Amy was raising a baby and devoted what little time she had to spare to litesims.com. Gareth on the other hand was almost completely involved in the litesims project and admitted this.
Many trolls in the meantime latched onto this loose moderation (as the main power of moderation was with the Admins - Gareth and Amy) and little with the mods. You will know this is true Bob, you were one of them. You were eventually banned for it so take a bow. You were also probably the most hated person who ever came to that site.
We became self-governing and had to form our own values, culture and means of governing outside of the tradition Admin functions.
Gareth came back and even though I bumped heads a few times over things I still believed he was a decent man and he did seek to do the right thing bye the members and the forum. He came back and started making contact with the forum and getting involved again. He gave CBC and EvilZakkie Admin status.
Evil Zakkie set up the back up forum on one of a spate of my downtimes at AFF over a short period in time. Basically it was to keep the community together. I thin by the time a week or two later that AFF was up the forum had about 30 members. It was kept in case the AFF went down again.
Basically Amy rejoined the forum and presented herself as agitated School Mistress with a big stick wanting to patronise or punish those around and made references to bullying (nothing specific but allusion nonetheless). It was "generally"ignored. A couple of us did get a warning after she swore at a member and Caps locks half her reply. (It was me she was shouting at)
The thread was where she basically said AA was bullshit and a member who was wanting to give up drinking and go to AA took this advise and left the thread. Others had experience direct or otherwise with alcoholism and/or AA.
Amy was not prepared to put her hand up and apologise. She was happy banning a member over fuck all. She was prepared to snipe, delete posts, edit posts and being in general a righteous, arrogant despot. I called her to rights. Everything I though she did or said wrong I called her on and she was incensed by it instead of taking any responsibility for it. It became everyone else's problem. Whilst I was doing this other incensed members were doing things like posting gagged avatars in protest of her unreasonable and out of control censorship and history re-writing. She banned a little 15 yr old member and many members walked out. I came home from work saw the member was banned and no one on the board during prime time and not knowing what had happen had thought they had left in disgust or being banned (It was a staged 48 hr walk out). I took issue with her and Gareth. They accused me in turn on spamming everyone with PM's telling them to leave. I had nothing to hide (In fact I was told about an hour before my banning by a member on site - but I had figured I had missed the boat and that it was too late.) I advised them to take a stickybeak themselves. They said it was physically impossible which I disbelieve. I then offered to forward all the PM's I had sent in the last week. Again their foundation of belief tested, they banned me and thus my access to prove on way or another and made that the official reason.
Pretty piss weak all in all but whatever they were hoping, the other forum has pretty much all the actively involved posters (about 70) and AFF has locked its doors. Would have been eassy and advised God only knows how many times for them just to say, "Sorry brainfart, we were a little out of line. Tis is what we are wanting, envisage, hope for this site, we have lost track of what this site has evolved into, I want you guys to help us get there. Who is in?" I would have backed them.
Not of course wishing to say that you have any reason to be biased as to what occured there and not that you were even on board whilst this happened, hey "BOB". (BiB - LOL)
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So what and where is this new forum??
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Bob: shove a tampon back in, you're bleeding all over the forum as usual. Stinks like your usual flow as well.
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I think that AFF is messed up because of Gareth and Amy. Just look at what they have done lately.
I read this announcement there:
Locked and archived
The forum is now temporarily locked and archived. To those who created this situation and wanted to cause so much trouble: well done, you've won. Those who did not want this, we'll leave this mess alone for a while and hopefully things will not persist like this.
Apparently if you don't kowtow to Gareth and Amy, they ban you.
If people become upset with them after a big banning spree, they pack up their marbles and go home. I guess that it is their forum so they get to choose to do that.
I'm going to agree with you there. They seem to ban people for no reason. Amy posted a thread about rules, someone pointed out to her she broke one of her own rules and she took it as an attack and banned that person.
EvilZakkie made his own forum as a back up for AFF when it was down and Amy saw it and took it as he was plotting against them or a scheme as Joker tells it.
Also they allowed bullying there and they seem to have a weird view on bullying. If you tell other members they owe someone an apology or they need to apologize, they view that as bullying. Also the fact if you create you own forum, they see that as bullying. I saw what happened with EZ.
They even had a problem with Timelord creating his site and use the same name as theirs except it was called real aspies for freedom.
That's my point of view.
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Pretty right. By banning members and editing and deleting posts, which they are doing, and censor all voices of disagreement, you effectively re-write history. Those that are still there but not very active will know something is not right but will be unable to tell or find posts to explain it, new members will be ignorant of any of it and any questions posed will be in line with the false history.
That is what will happen
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Korrigan was part of mob. The manner in which she spoke to Joanna was unacceptable and it was just the tip of the iceberg. Too many people made the mistake of following Max and Rossco / Les. They couldn't see through their nastiness, and too many people believed their lies.
Korrigan enjoyed the drama. Socially skillful, but not nice. Max was another one with pretty good social skills, he knew how to charm. Neither Max nor Korrigan had AS nor did they have a family member diagnosed with aspergers. Anyone who challenged or threatened Max's standing in that community, became a target for ongoing harassment and lies.
Amy decided to make a stand. Korrigan was banned for two days. As Amy stated - there had being a mob mentality on that forum for too long.
Korrigan was an NT in her thirties, she was part of a mob in AFF and she was engaging in bullying behaviour with a fifteen year old aspie.
I wasn't banned --- look to Lucie on that forum and you will see I was not banned.
Look to max and grumpy and you will see the words banned through their names.
Amy was always actively involved on that forum. But .... although she sought to do things right... forum moderation isn't easy, mistakes were made.
TCO - I have just realised your age - Are you sad? What drives your wish to hurt and insult. Honest question here.
Ozmandias - your post reflects an attitude of honour and respect towards others - shame there couldn't have been more of this on AFF.
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Pretty right. By banning members and editing and deleting posts, which they are doing, and censor all voices of disagreement, you effectively re-write history. Those that are still there but not very active will know something is not right but will be unable to tell or find posts to explain it, new members will be ignorant of any of it and any questions posed will be in line with the false history.
That is what will happen
So what --- what difference will it make. You think your crap qualifies as history - what a joke.
You used that forum for a long time - you made use of the forum set up by Amy and Gareth - and now you spread lies and insult.
You would do better to shut your mouth.
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:yawn:
QFT.
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Pretty right. By banning members and editing and deleting posts, which they are doing, and censor all voices of disagreement, you effectively re-write history. Those that are still there but not very active will know something is not right but will be unable to tell or find posts to explain it, new members will be ignorant of any of it and any questions posed will be in line with the false history.
That is what will happen
So what --- what difference will it make. You think your crap qualifies as history - what a joke.
You used that forum for a long time - you made use of the forum set up by Amy and Gareth - and now you spread lies and insult.
You would do better to shut your mouth.
So what,what difference does it make. You think your crap qualifies as the truth - what a joke.
You fucked up that forum for a long time - you made use of the forum to bully everyone else - and now you spread lies and insult.
You would do better to STFU and die.
Fixed.
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Pretty right. By banning members and editing and deleting posts, which they are doing, and censor all voices of disagreement, you effectively re-write history. Those that are still there but not very active will know something is not right but will be unable to tell or find posts to explain it, new members will be ignorant of any of it and any questions posed will be in line with the false history.
That is what will happen
So what --- what difference will it make. You think your crap qualifies as history - what a joke.
What is printed unedited is history. A series different of perspectives. Not an edited constructed history to fit in with an egocentric righteous mindset. But Trish you are brainy. You are doing Master's level Uni in New Zealand. Surely you are not too stupid too realise this. See another fella around here states his exceptional IQ and says dumb shit like this too. His name here is Nocturnalist. I think I have found your commonality.
You used that forum for a long time - you made use of the forum set up by Amy and Gareth - and now you spread lies and insult.
Have not spread any lies or deceit. You on the other hand got someone to ring up WFM at her home and then denied it to the forum at the time and later, then I showed the PM that the you sent to the member reqesting him to do that. You are a lying and manipulative bitch and you know it. I suspect you are probably a bit of a drinker too. So let's not go the truth telling road because you are that dishonest you can't lie straight in bed.
You would do better to shut your mouth.
Really? How about having an industrial strength cup of "Shut the Fuck Up" you demented Harpy or have another drink and pass out, Cheers! :fiveshots:
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Here you go:
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff129/Cowboys-07/NiceBigCupofSTFU.jpg)
Sugar with that?
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Lucie's Mother not only wears Army boots....but a helmet....and she also disguises the fact that she is drinking alcohol by drinking out of a coffee mug :asthing:
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:lol: :plus: :clap: :thumbup: :indeed:so that's where Lucie got her looks from. :evillaugh:
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Come back "Joyous" :lol:
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this thread should be titled: where is bob.
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this thread should be titled: where is bob.
Bob is a Lurker. Cowardly poor excuse for a Harpy...I mean human. :thumbup:
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She was here not long ago.
Saw her in the karma stats.
Plussing TCO.
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She was here not long ago.
Saw her in the karma stats.
Plussing TCO.
Oh TCO...you poor bastard.
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She was here not long ago.
Saw her in the karma stats.
Plussing TCO.
Oh TCO...you poor bastard.
:rofl:
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I remember this huge drama over there. Now I hardly remember it and since then the forum seems to be slower ever since. People left is why.
But I didn't go to the forum much back then so that could be why I'd have six pages or so of unread posts when I drop by.
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Welcome back.
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:angel:
Hi Jack.
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Hi, bob. :)
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(http://cdn.wl.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Bob-Barker.gif)
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Hi, bob.
In California, bob is bottom of basket.
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Is "Bob without a knob", back?
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Hi Bob :green:
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Salve, bob! Esne :viking: ?
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Hi, bob.
In California, bob is bottom of basket.
In the Netherlands Bob is the one not drinking at a night out, so the others can be driven home safely, by Bob.
"Who is the Bob?" is the slogan they try to promotes bobs with.
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Hello Bob. :santa:
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Bob, are you going to post?
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Hi, bob.
In California, bob is bottom of basket.
In the Netherlands Bob is the one not drinking at a night out, so the others can be driven home safely, by Bob.
"Who is the Bob?" is the slogan they try to promotes bobs with.
McJagger: What basket?
Hyke: Does that cause confusion at a bar if one of the drinkers is named Bob?
Bob, are you going to post?
Bob is here to stay. ;)
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In the Netherlands Bob is the one not drinking at a night out, so the others can be driven home safely, by Bob.
"Who is the Bob?" is the slogan they try to promotes bobs with.
Hyke: Does that cause confusion at a bar if one of the drinkers is named Bob?
Nah, I think people deny being Bob, or try to avoid being Bob.
I can't recall any kids being called Bob since they started that campaign. :lol1:
I guess it sucks to be Bob.
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Grocery basket.
They have pins, "did you check B.O.B.?"
It reminds them to charge for hat case if water.