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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: ZEGH8578 on December 30, 2014, 02:01:51 PM
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This is the third time this green-finger tree-hugging hippie love-plants friend of mine posts a neo-nazi article on her fb -.-
the article was just a bunch of "critical thinking!" encouragement, obviously laden with nazi agendas, but the AIRHEAD didn't notice, didn't see it, didn't catch the undertones of it.
"Important article! :O It's important to think independently"
yes. SIEG HEIL!!! SIEG HEIL!!! SIEG HEIL!!! SIEG HEIL!!!
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It always cracks me up how drugged up losers think they're the smartest people on earth. ::)
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"Lay your bets everyone...gather 'round"
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This is the third time this green-finger tree-hugging hippie love-plants friend of mine posts a neo-nazi article on her fb -.-
the article was just a bunch of "critical thinking!" encouragement, obviously laden with nazi agendas, but the AIRHEAD didn't notice, didn't see it, didn't catch the undertones of it.
"Important article! :O It's important to think independently"
yes. SIEG HEIL!!! SIEG HEIL!!! SIEG HEIL!!! SIEG HEIL!!!
Are you going to post the article or only bitch about it? :orly:
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Only bitch about it.
It's from a Norwegian language site, first of all, and secondly, I don't wanna give them any kind of promotion
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People are stupid, generally speaking, but neo nazis are even stupider, specifically.
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Since the OP violated Godwin's Law, is this thread over?? :autism:
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Scrappy, I am refering to a well known, well established neo nazi propaganda site.
By now, I simply do not know if you ASSUME this, and you're just being a dick, or if you CANNOT UNDERSTAND words, and I have to explain them to you.
Why do I explain things to you? I like to give you an oportunity to understand, with your head. Understand things. Words.
:)
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Only bitch about it.
It's from a Norwegian language site, first of all, and secondly, I don't wanna give them any kind of promotion
Okay, then I'm just going to assume the subtle undertones are figments of your paranoid imagination. :zoinks:
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Now I'm wondering if you guys know what I'm talking about
This isn't "totally nazi, like Fox News n shit!", these are actual known groups whos sites are often closed down, for their deliberate incitement of social disorder. One well known Norwegian site a few years back became famous as a homework-help site, and became discovered when kids history homework had a lot of veiled nazism in them. This site was closed down as soon as it became publicly known.
They aren't just "Pro Bush republican woho" sites that I hate cus I'm such a liberal...
Obviously, to dickweeds like Scrappy, the idea of re-counting the holocaust death toll, or re-evaluating if Hitler was "truly evil" or "a result of environment", are examples of totally deep, mind-expanding experiences of true investigation and free thinking. Just like any 12 year old, who just discovered that concepts often have deeper meanings.
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Now I'm wondering if you guys know what I'm talking about
Nope. I don't know. :zoinks:
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>:I
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:hahaha:
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:'(
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Now I'm wondering if you guys know what I'm talking about
This isn't "totally nazi, like Fox News n shit!", these are actual known groups whos sites are often closed down, for their deliberate incitement of social disorder. One well known Norwegian site a few years back became famous as a homework-help site, and became discovered when kids history homework had a lot of veiled nazism in them. This site was closed down as soon as it became publicly known.
They aren't just "Pro Bush republican woho" sites that I hate cus I'm such a liberal...
Obviously, to dickweeds like Scrappy, the idea of re-counting the holocaust death toll, or re-evaluating if Hitler was "truly evil" or "a result of environment", are examples of totally deep, mind-expanding experiences of true investigation and free thinking. Just like any 12 year old, who just discovered that concepts often have deeper meanings.
I know exactly what you're talking about. Its just one of the many annoying things about facebook, man. At least the GMO trend seems to have died off.
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:'(
Hey, whenever you're ready to share the undertones, man. :dunno:
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oh boy...well this is possibly why I don't have friends or know folks that are generally that idiotic :tard: I got off Facebook for that reason among many...I think I discussed it in one of the threads oh yes divert a Facebook post...I prefer the folks here as you all are real (being honest in how you feel your views etc.)
If someone does talk about anything remotely regarding that (it's been a while people figure out I am not listening just smiling and nodding to pacify them until they shut up)
But when it has happened my eyes glaze over and no lie I'd sleep with them open or zone out you all know :lol1:
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:'(
Hey, whenever you're ready to share the undertones, man. :dunno:
Of the actual article she posted?
The article was extremely generic, it was just a lesson/reminder in "thinking critically", and "subtly" used certain hand-picked examples, such as Holocaust fact reliability, and the actual meaning of the word "nazi" - sortof like "you thought it meant EVIL, but actually it means NAtional soCIalist! boy don't you feel dumb now!"
those were the most glaring examples, the rest was just "important to think for yourself!"
Hannah, these aren't people who actually talk about this stuff regularily. My friend is a tree-hugging hippie, she would never knowingly side with right wing extremes - but she keeps doing it accidentally, time and time again, and every time her FB fills with other airheads going "Good article! It IS important to ask twice how many jews were gassed, after all, it's important to be fair!" good, well meaning airheads, who have NO concept of HOW AND WHY these questions keep re-surfacing.
Then she will have 1-2 people trying their nicest to tell her to be a TINY bit more careful with her sources. Again, no news source is perfect, but avoid those with a big THORS HAMMER as a logo and stuff. Swastikas, fasces, you know, "88 Sieg Heil!" these are clues.
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Of the actual article she posted?
The article was extremely generic, it was just a lesson/reminder in "thinking critically", and "subtly" used certain hand-picked examples, such as Holocaust fact reliability, and the actual meaning of the word "nazi" - sortof like "you thought it meant EVIL, but actually it means NAtional soCIalist! boy don't you feel dumb now!"
those were the most glaring examples, the rest was just "important to think for yourself!"
Thanks, Zeg, and yeah, that doesn't really sound like some deeply hidden undertone. :thumbup:
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It might be Americans in general are more used to overt propaganda, since you have a much more direct approach to free speech and assembly. In Europe we have outright banned certain aspects of it, as "incitement of hate". This isn't about protecting people's feelings from hateful stuff, but the fact that perpetuated propaganda might incite actual violence. People are quick to react as if WW2 was almost fiction "LOL as if thatll ever happen again!" "LOL as if Rwanda is comparable to europe" "LOL as if 2000 georgians make a genocide LOOOL" but it just keeps happening, in all shapes and forms.
So, direct, overt propaganda, especially angled towards anything reminiscent of nazi stuff, is clamped down upon hard. Not that I mind at all. But that also means we are more alert to individual channels of propaganda, there will be news stories and stuff. You guys got the KKK and stuff, it's more in the open.
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On the same token, suppressing it just makes it sneaky, and intelligently designed to be sneaky with undertones easily denied as even existing.
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On the same token, suppressing it just makes it sneaky, and intelligently designed to be sneaky with undertones easily denied as even existing.
Yes, but at least it is contained a bit.
I keep suggesting to round them up and exterminate them, but that is apparently not good, and will make me "the same as they are", although I don't aggree with that.
So, untill that, then contain and supress. Everything can't be free. Example: Me. I should not be free to assemble and speek my mind as I please, and a lot of my socio-political opinions are harmful to society :D
I joke of course, I don't genuinely want genocides and stuff, but if I did, I'd keep it to myself. Private sphere.
This whole free-speech thing should be about common sense anyway.
It's about "discussing soundly" an idea.
Where does the line go?
What if I describe detailed texts, highly manipulative in nature, about how little time there is left, how we must act now, before it is too late, and drive all the outlanders away, by force if necesary? That was what Fjordland had been writing, freely, and he was openly credited by Breivik for being his driving force. Imagine how awkward Fjordland felt :D
But these things have real reprecussions.
We know it and we see it.
Freedom of expression has tons of little limitations that we take for granted anyway, copyright for example. I can't just decide to express something someone else has expressed, word by word, even if my expression is free. I also can't decide to express myself through fashion by dressing exactly as a uniformed police officer. And so on. Nitpicking now, but you get the point. Principles should end up being about something practical and common-sensy, not just being a rule.
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Even in the US, freedom of speech has it's limitations, though similar undercurrents exist even though those limitations are not the direct cause. People camouflage garbage with seemingly common sense ideals, and people don't necessarily realize they're supporting garbage because it's being discussed so soundly and rationally. It's not really contained, it's an illusion of being contained, but it's only hidden. Isn't that what this thread is about?
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Even in the US, freedom of speech has it's limitations, though similar undercurrents exist even though those limitations are not the direct cause. People camouflage garbage with seemingly common sense ideals, and people don't necessarily realize they're supporting garbage because it's being discussed so soundly and rationally. It's not really contained, it's an illusion of being contained, but it's only hidden. Isn't that what this thread is about?
Yes
For a marginalized group desperate for beefing up their ranks, camoflaging their material is essential. Being too open and honest will do them nothing good, since their message is often harsh and impersonal and cruel, and people simply don't respond well to that - at least not so openly.
By adding a bit of normalization, they legitimize themselves even more "nono, hating immigrants is only a small fraction of what we believe in. We also feel strongly about preserving the rare panda!" "GASP! Me too : O"
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So then we agree? Free speech shouldn't really be about only allowing people to speak soundly with common sense. If you genuinely wanted genocides and stuff, then I'm inclined to allow you to say that openly without hiding behind pandas, so I can at the very least be aware of who you are. :laugh:
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So then we agree? Free speech shouldn't really be about only allowing people to speak soundly with common sense. If you genuinely wanted genocides and stuff, then I'm inclined to allow you to say that openly without hiding behind pandas, so I can at the very least be aware of who you are. :laugh:
Here is the problem:
Society consists of smart people and dumb people.
The free-speech limitation, is in place to prevent smart people from REACHING dumb people.
So far, it works pretty well. All the numbnuts I know are busy doing numbnut stuff, like fixing cars, farting, laughing at dumb comedies. None of them are browsing nazi material.
The dumb is the target audience. So by containing, to best effort, aggressive propaganda, you can keep it from reaching the impressionable, and thus DELAY the slowly inevitable.
(as in, people are tempted by cruelty and destruction, especially the next-generation-after-the-previous-who-experienced-it, it has to do with the constant generational contrasts that are also responsible for changing the language "I'm different from my parents!!!" if parents were in war, then you are different by not being in war. If your parents are children of peace, then you don't want to be lame, and want to be a warrior! Very simplified, but often observable)
But yes, we agree, and I totally see your point - like I say, the ultimate effect is inevitable, because the propaganda is there, and seeps out, drop by drop. But I maintain that containment successfully delays this, and allows for a normal population to experience as many decades as possible of normalcy, before shit hits the fan.
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Will have to simply disagree then, because limitations make dumb people not realize what they're supporting, like your dumb friend who may not be browsing Nazi sites, but still unknowingly manages to spread and promote their cleverly limited propaganda. Also suppressing these things until the shit hits the fan creates extreme cases of civil unrest which can make the wrong people look like the bad guys, because they're the ones on a murderous rioting rampage in the streets attacking anything and everything. They don't even know their aggressor, so quiet and intelligently hidden, and then an oblivious society having experienced entirely too much normalcy is shocked and deeply frightened by the wrong thing.
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Will have to simply disagree then, because limitations make dumb people not realize what they're supporting, like your dumb friend who may not be browsing Nazi sites, but still unknowingly manages to spread and promote their cleverly limited propaganda. Also suppressing these things until the shit hits the fan creates extreme cases of civil unrest which can make the wrong people look like the bad guys, because they're the ones on a murderous rioting rampage in the streets attacking anything and everything. They don't even know their aggressor, so quiet and intelligently hidden, and then an oblivious society having experienced entirely too much normalcy is shocked and deeply frightened by the wrong thing.
I agree that this is the eventual outcome. We have to take into account things that allready are tho, for example, stability in immigrant-soaked western Europe for 50 years straight, despite so many voices against it. It is easy to form pogroms, and chase and harass. Why did this not happen all over the place?
We take long periods of stability for granted, and we credit our own selves for it "we're so awesome : )" but a lot of this is orchestrated and planned.
But I do see your points, and you are right, because what you are describing - is happening.
I'm seeing this as a problem without solution, only with an option to delay. The way I see it - a successful delay = mission accomplished.
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See it as the opposite, successful delay is mission failure. It's somewhat similar in the US, but only with political correctness as the driving force rather than actual laws. You recently made a comment about how people and societies hold on to these things forever, generations later still the same wounds exist for people who only read of real wounds in history books. It boils down to emotions, and emotions are never logical. People are made to feel uncomfortable and even legally unacceptable in expressing emotions without disguising their emotion as intelligently sensible or logical, and that's why societies wounds aren't allowed to heal. Not certain if it's a problem with a solution either, but do believe that suppressing a problem never leads to a solution.
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See it as the opposite, successful delay is mission failure. It's somewhat similar in the US, but only with political correctness as the driving force rather than actual laws. You recently made a comment about how people and societies hold on to these things forever, generations later still the same wounds exist for people who only read of real wounds in history books. It boils down to emotions, and emotions are never logical. People are made to feel uncomfortable and even legally unacceptable in expressing emotions without disguising their emotion as intelligently sensible or logical, and that's why societies wounds aren't allowed to heal. Not certain if it's a problem with a solution either, but do believe that suppressing a problem never leads to a solution.
You do make points, but in the end, retributional acts will be inevitable.
All human geopolitics are just large-scale waiting games anyway. What we percieve as anomalies, sudden, unexpected, are simply a continuation of the conquest-processes, economical or territorial conquests. The world map will continue to change, and those in power will do everything they can to drive towards the ultimate goal, the goal we all know, the domination of all the world :D
It is "the secret" driving force of all politics. That and pussy, pussy is like the God of everything, but it's a secret, nobody admits it
As long as it is inevitable, which I believe it is, uncurable, unfixable, then delaying the inevitable is the only solution.
If we "zoom out", we would be looking at a frequency scale:
[------------------------------------------------timeframe----------------------------------------------------]
[-----stability-----][chaos][-----stability-----][chaos][-----stability-----][chaos][-----stability-----][chaos] Suppressed, one less chaos, years of prosperity for innocent people.
[--stability--][chaos][--stability--][chaos][--stability--][chaos][--stability--][chaos][--stability--][chaos] Unsupressed, one more chaos, one more round of destruction.
It's not a solution, but maybe a mild remedy :I
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[------------------------------------------------timeframe----------------------------------------------------]
[-----stability-----][chaos][-----stability-----][chaos][-----stability-----][chaos][-----stability-----][chaos] Suppressed, one less chaos, years of prosperity for innocent people.
[--stability--][chaos][--stability--][chaos][--stability--][chaos][--stability--][chaos][--stability--][chaos] Unsupressed, one more chaos, one more round of destruction.
You're reminding me of something similar you and I once said to each other about this forum. :laugh:
You are all pricks, get over it! The bickering is what fucks this site up. I don't care if any of us get along, although orgies are welcome, but getting butthurt over what somebody posts on the interwebs is extremely immature and posting mean, vindictive shit about someone on the interwebs is also very immature.
The bickering is what keeps this site alive. The drama raises the number of people online. It gets dull, then spaz, evens out, dull again, then spaz,...
And every time, people think it's permament.
Reminds me when kids experience first winter snow - every year - and get heartbroken when it always rains away, "No snow for winter!? D':" yes you lil retard, but its gonna snow and rain away maybe 15 times before it settles. It does that _every year_.
Jack prefers Zeg's timeframe number 2, unsupressed, at least the chaos is no surprise; prefer it because it's honest and I can see it coming. :)
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All human geopolitics are just large-scale waiting games anyway. What we percieve as anomalies, sudden, unexpected, are simply a continuation of the conquest-processes, economical or territorial conquests. The world map will continue to change, and those in power will do everything they can to drive towards the ultimate goal, the goal we all know, the domination of all the world :D
It is "the secret" driving force of all politics.
Was thinking more about this, and yes you're right, and concede our difference of viewpoint probably only exist simply due to our living within different legal and social boundaries. It's easy to see the sensibility in your points of suppressing the offensive, until of course the government tries to suppress what I want to say. Still, I see the same ultimate goal you do, and realize it probably doesn't matter much either way in the end, and if I lived in a land where strict legal suppression of speech is a normality and considered as socially acceptable, I'd likely agree with you completely.
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I agree too! :M
Our governments are indeed starkly different as well, despite us belonging to the same camp, so to speak "the west", but "the west" can be anything from Iceland to Bulgaria to Mexico. From country to country, one will experience the role of the state as different. In Norway it has traditionally been very benevolent, even "gay" as Americans would put it. That seems to be changing now tho, with a lot more manlyness promoted in culture lately.
Let's just have a big bad war and get it over with.
I hope the Norwegian coast-line has less of a "strategic value" than it had the last shake-down :I
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So then we agree? Free speech shouldn't really be about only allowing people to speak soundly with common sense. If you genuinely wanted genocides and stuff, then I'm inclined to allow you to say that openly without hiding behind pandas, so I can at the very least be aware of who you are. :laugh:
Here is the problem:
Society consists of smart people and dumb people.
The free-speech limitation, is in place to prevent smart people from REACHING dumb people.
So far, it works pretty well. All the numbnuts I know are busy doing numbnut stuff, like fixing cars, farting, laughing at dumb comedies. None of them are browsing nazi material.
The dumb is the target audience. So by containing, to best effort, aggressive propaganda, you can keep it from reaching the impressionable, and thus DELAY the slowly inevitable.
(as in, people are tempted by cruelty and destruction, especially the next-generation-after-the-previous-who-experienced-it, it has to do with the constant generational contrasts that are also responsible for changing the language "I'm different from my parents!!!" if parents were in war, then you are different by not being in war. If your parents are children of peace, then you don't want to be lame, and want to be a warrior! Very simplified, but often observable)
But yes, we agree, and I totally see your point - like I say, the ultimate effect is inevitable, because the propaganda is there, and seeps out, drop by drop. But I maintain that containment successfully delays this, and allows for a normal population to experience as many decades as possible of normalcy, before shit hits the fan.
Oh ffs. Did you have to throw in a dig at blue collar workers?
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Oh ffs. Did you have to throw in a dig at blue collar workers?
Of course he does. Having spent his life doing a whole lot of nothing, he hates people who actually work. ;)
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Oh ffs. Did you have to throw in a dig at blue collar workers?
Of course he does. Having spent his life doing a whole lot of nothing, he hates people who actually work. ;)
Do you actually believe the things you say?
Do you believe the things you THINK? <---this may be one of the most important things you have ever asked yourself.
Edit: Oh dear, I forgot you need things thoroughly explained. Let me explain.
The attack on blue collar workers was _tongue in cheek_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongue-in-cheek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongue-in-cheek)
PMS Elle then "attacked" me, ironically, she does not believe I truly wish ill on "blue collar" workers, but replied in order to play with facetiousness.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/facetious (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/facetious)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony)
My reply to you, about "believe what you say" and "believe what you think" has to do with you saying things that are outlandishly dumb. For example, how can I "hate" people who fix cars? What's there to hate?
I wonder to myself if you ACTUALLY think I have time and energy to hate people for repairing cars. If you do really believe that, then your mind is seriously at risk. This is something truly absurd to seriously believe. What other absurdities are you prone to falling for?
"Believe what you think" comes in here. Are you religious? Are you in danger of entering religious cults? Are you often depressed?
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You should do a callout.
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Bombed out, jobless druggies aren't worth the effort. :elvis:
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You should do a callout.
It's much more secksy when they do it all over the place. :zoinks:
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/shrugs
Whatever. It might have been more entertaining if they had done a callout.
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Oh ffs. Did you have to throw in a dig at blue collar workers?
Of course he does. Having spent his life doing a whole lot of nothing, he hates people who actually work. ;)
Do you actually believe the things you say?
Do you believe the things you THINK? <---this may be one of the most important things you have ever asked yourself.
Edit: Oh dear, I forgot you need things thoroughly explained. Let me explain.
The attack on blue collar workers was _tongue in cheek_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongue-in-cheek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongue-in-cheek)
PMS Elle then "attacked" me, ironically, she does not believe I truly wish ill on "blue collar" workers, but replied in order to play with facetiousness.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/facetious (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/facetious)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony)
My reply to you, about "believe what you say" and "believe what you think" has to do with you saying things that are outlandishly dumb. For example, how can I "hate" people who fix cars? What's there to hate?
I wonder to myself if you ACTUALLY think I have time and energy to hate people for repairing cars. If you do really believe that, then your mind is seriously at risk. This is something truly absurd to seriously believe. What other absurdities are you prone to falling for?
"Believe what you think" comes in here. Are you religious? Are you in danger of entering religious cults? Are you often depressed?
Don't speak for me, please. I did not assume you were being tongue-in-cheek, and I was responding by calling you out on that aspect of what you said, because if it wasn't ironically meant, it was tacky and ignorant.
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Oh ffs. Did you have to throw in a dig at blue collar workers?
Of course he does. Having spent his life doing a whole lot of nothing, he hates people who actually work. ;)
Do you actually believe the things you say?
Do you believe the things you THINK? <---this may be one of the most important things you have ever asked yourself.
Edit: Oh dear, I forgot you need things thoroughly explained. Let me explain.
The attack on blue collar workers was _tongue in cheek_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongue-in-cheek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongue-in-cheek)
PMS Elle then "attacked" me, ironically, she does not believe I truly wish ill on "blue collar" workers, but replied in order to play with facetiousness.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/facetious (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/facetious)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony)
My reply to you, about "believe what you say" and "believe what you think" has to do with you saying things that are outlandishly dumb. For example, how can I "hate" people who fix cars? What's there to hate?
I wonder to myself if you ACTUALLY think I have time and energy to hate people for repairing cars. If you do really believe that, then your mind is seriously at risk. This is something truly absurd to seriously believe. What other absurdities are you prone to falling for?
"Believe what you think" comes in here. Are you religious? Are you in danger of entering religious cults? Are you often depressed?
Don't speak for me, please. I did not assume you were being tongue-in-cheek, and I was responding by calling you out on that aspect of what you said, because if it wasn't ironically meant, it was tacky and ignorant.
Well, then you're an idiot.
You made me call you idiot! And all for being too damn insecure to let ONE person "talk for you" ONCE.
I'm the "arch socialist" in here, after several years of it, and you seriously thought I needed to be confronted with my lack of respect for the poor and the less educated?
Go fuck yourself.
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Oh ffs. Did you have to throw in a dig at blue collar workers?
Of course he does. Having spent his life doing a whole lot of nothing, he hates people who actually work. ;)
Do you actually believe the things you say?
Do you believe the things you THINK? <---this may be one of the most important things you have ever asked yourself.
Edit: Oh dear, I forgot you need things thoroughly explained. Let me explain.
The attack on blue collar workers was _tongue in cheek_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongue-in-cheek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongue-in-cheek)
PMS Elle then "attacked" me, ironically, she does not believe I truly wish ill on "blue collar" workers, but replied in order to play with facetiousness.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/facetious (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/facetious)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony)
My reply to you, about "believe what you say" and "believe what you think" has to do with you saying things that are outlandishly dumb. For example, how can I "hate" people who fix cars? What's there to hate?
I wonder to myself if you ACTUALLY think I have time and energy to hate people for repairing cars. If you do really believe that, then your mind is seriously at risk. This is something truly absurd to seriously believe. What other absurdities are you prone to falling for?
"Believe what you think" comes in here. Are you religious? Are you in danger of entering religious cults? Are you often depressed?
Don't speak for me, please. I did not assume you were being tongue-in-cheek, and I was responding by calling you out on that aspect of what you said, because if it wasn't ironically meant, it was tacky and ignorant.
Well, then you're an idiot.
You made me call you idiot! And all for being too damn insecure to let ONE person "talk for you" ONCE.
I'm the "arch socialist" in here, after several years of it, and you seriously thought I needed to be confronted with my lack of respect for the poor and the less educated?
Go fuck yourself.
u mad bro? :orly:
Apparently I don't track who is the "arch socialist" or not. We have, to my recollection, minimally interacted in a direct fashion. Sometimes I read your posts, sometimes not. Seems a little bit grandiose for you to assume I must have you and your personality clearly etched into some kind of mental "who's who" roster.
I'm not sure why you think that my preference for having you not talk for me (when you mistranslated, at that) means I'm insecure. Please enlighten me.
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I'm not sure why you think that my preference for having you not talk for me (when you mistranslated, at that) means I'm insecure. Please enlighten me.
I know you couldn't know, but you could have allowed me some leeway, because you were watching me making some things clear, such as me not having any real antipathy against any kind of working class, quite the contrary. You opted to defend your own integrity, at the cost of my argument. Remember, you swung by solely to de-legitimize my entire argument, by "outing" me as some kind of upper class elitist. This is not only fodder for scrappy, but a delicacy for him, that you gave him, for no particular reason I can think of. You basically confirmed his whole "lefties, they're all talk!"-angle. This was the main source of my anger. When I saw that this had happened, you had the chance of siiilently allowing me to keep my own interpretation of it - no harm done, but you had to set records straight! "Don't speak for me, please. I did not assume"
Why could I not just keep my little peace, at the minimal cost of your integrity? By minimal cost I mean, people would go around thinking you made a joke-comment, when you didn't. Oh no, how could you live with yourself?
I'm no longer mad tho, cus I don't stay mad. I'm not even mad at scrappy, cus he's like a turtle or an iguana, they're not being so on purpose.
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I'm not sure why you think that my preference for having you not talk for me (when you mistranslated, at that) means I'm insecure. Please enlighten me.
I know you couldn't know, but you could have allowed me some leeway, because you were watching me making some things clear, such as me not having any real antipathy against any kind of working class, quite the contrary. You opted to defend your own integrity, at the cost of my argument. Remember, you swung by solely to de-legitimize my entire argument, by "outing" me as some kind of upper class elitist. This is not only fodder for scrappy, but a delicacy for him, that you gave him, for no particular reason I can think of. You basically confirmed his whole "lefties, they're all talk!"-angle. This was the main source of my anger. When I saw that this had happened, you had the chance of siiilently allowing me to keep my own interpretation of it - no harm done, but you had to set records straight! "Don't speak for me, please. I did not assume"
Why could I not just keep my little peace, at the minimal cost of your integrity? By minimal cost I mean, people would go around thinking you made a joke-comment, when you didn't. Oh no, how could you live with yourself?
I'm no longer mad tho, cus I don't stay mad. I'm not even mad at scrappy, cus he's like a turtle or an iguana, they're not being so on purpose.
I'm still not hearing an explanation of why you think my preference for having you not talk for me (when you mistranslated) means I'm insecure.
What I am hearing is that you felt butthurt that I called you out 1) on an initial, elitist-sounding comment and then 2) on mistranslating me.
What I'm also picking up on is that you seem to believe that I should, for some reason, be siding with you/backing you in your ongoing beef with Scrapheap. Or at least that that should be at the forefront of my considerations when I am responding to something you have said on a thread.
Am I in the ballpark?
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I'm not sure why you think that my preference for having you not talk for me (when you mistranslated, at that) means I'm insecure. Please enlighten me.
I know you couldn't know, but you could have allowed me some leeway, because you were watching me making some things clear, such as me not having any real antipathy against any kind of working class, quite the contrary. You opted to defend your own integrity, at the cost of my argument. Remember, you swung by solely to de-legitimize my entire argument, by "outing" me as some kind of upper class elitist. This is not only fodder for scrappy, but a delicacy for him, that you gave him, for no particular reason I can think of. You basically confirmed his whole "lefties, they're all talk!"-angle. This was the main source of my anger. When I saw that this had happened, you had the chance of siiilently allowing me to keep my own interpretation of it - no harm done, but you had to set records straight! "Don't speak for me, please. I did not assume"
Why could I not just keep my little peace, at the minimal cost of your integrity? By minimal cost I mean, people would go around thinking you made a joke-comment, when you didn't. Oh no, how could you live with yourself?
I'm no longer mad tho, cus I don't stay mad. I'm not even mad at scrappy, cus he's like a turtle or an iguana, they're not being so on purpose.
I'm still not hearing an explanation of why you think my preference for having you not talk for me (when you mistranslated) means I'm insecure.
What I am hearing is that you felt butthurt that I called you out 1) on an initial, elitist-sounding comment and then 2) on mistranslating me.
What I'm also picking up on is that you seem to believe that I should, for some reason, be siding with you/backing you in your ongoing beef with Scrapheap. Or at least that that should be at the forefront of my considerations when I am responding to something you have said on a thread.
Am I in the ballpark?
What's with this forum and the words "butthurt" and "call out"? Stop regurgitating those concepts non stop, this is what I mean by INSECURE.
It's always about some SHIELD and WAR and BATTLE and DEFENSE and CONFRONT
that was all I wanted - for you to not BATTLE and DEFEND and CONFRONT, and allow ONE... error on my part - to SLIDE.
"OVER MY DEAD BODY!!!"
fine. then be that way.
(and in case you decide to drudge on, confrontationally, on the questions i missed out on: of course I'm "butthurt", are you fucking blind? Can you not read? Does this look like a happy and pleasant Zegh? Stop asking stupid retarded confrontational rethorical questions just to promote your insecure self I2-style, and try to communicate in a productive manner instead. Your 2nd question - yes, are you fucking blind??? Yes, I mistranslated you (after you made a big angry point out of mistranslating me), that's why we are having this discussion. Jesus christ. Anything else you need SPOONFED?)
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SHIT DIGGING BUTTHURT BACK YOUR WORDS CALL OUT. :zoinks:
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I often do silly things.
I am often silly
I lose :(
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I still love you, Zeg. :-*
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*sniff* :)
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I'm not sure why you think that my preference for having you not talk for me (when you mistranslated, at that) means I'm insecure. Please enlighten me.
I know you couldn't know, but you could have allowed me some leeway, because you were watching me making some things clear, such as me not having any real antipathy against any kind of working class, quite the contrary. You opted to defend your own integrity, at the cost of my argument. Remember, you swung by solely to de-legitimize my entire argument, by "outing" me as some kind of upper class elitist. This is not only fodder for scrappy, but a delicacy for him, that you gave him, for no particular reason I can think of. You basically confirmed his whole "lefties, they're all talk!"-angle. This was the main source of my anger. When I saw that this had happened, you had the chance of siiilently allowing me to keep my own interpretation of it - no harm done, but you had to set records straight! "Don't speak for me, please. I did not assume"
Why could I not just keep my little peace, at the minimal cost of your integrity? By minimal cost I mean, people would go around thinking you made a joke-comment, when you didn't. Oh no, how could you live with yourself?
I'm no longer mad tho, cus I don't stay mad. I'm not even mad at scrappy, cus he's like a turtle or an iguana, they're not being so on purpose.
I'm still not hearing an explanation of why you think my preference for having you not talk for me (when you mistranslated) means I'm insecure.
What I am hearing is that you felt butthurt that I called you out 1) on an initial, elitist-sounding comment and then 2) on mistranslating me.
What I'm also picking up on is that you seem to believe that I should, for some reason, be siding with you/backing you in your ongoing beef with Scrapheap. Or at least that that should be at the forefront of my considerations when I am responding to something you have said on a thread.
Am I in the ballpark?
What's with this forum and the words "butthurt" and "call out"? Stop regurgitating those concepts non stop, this is what I mean by INSECURE.
It's always about some SHIELD and WAR and BATTLE and DEFENSE and CONFRONT
that was all I wanted - for you to not BATTLE and DEFEND and CONFRONT, and allow ONE... error on my part - to SLIDE.
"OVER MY DEAD BODY!!!"
fine. then be that way.
(and in case you decide to drudge on, confrontationally, on the questions i missed out on: of course I'm "butthurt", are you fucking blind? Can you not read? Does this look like a happy and pleasant Zegh? Stop asking stupid retarded confrontational rethorical questions just to promote your insecure self I2-style, and try to communicate in a productive manner instead. Your 2nd question - yes, are you fucking blind??? Yes, I mistranslated you (after you made a big angry point out of mistranslating me), that's why we are having this discussion. Jesus christ. Anything else you need SPOONFED?)
What would constitute communicating a productive manner, in your opinion?
I will say, on my end, I feel it's rather unreasonable for you to continue to have vitriolic tantrums at me in which you continue to attack me, and yet ask that I kowtow to your feelings. Is there a reason you feel you are entitled to more consideration and respect from me than you are giving to me?
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I'd hate to say "you started it", but you started it. Learn to detect sarcasm, and learn who the fucking fuck you talk to, before talking to them. If not, don't be surprised when they get offended at being misinterpreted, when you decide to vocally and loudly misinterpret them. This is boring. Make a call-out thread, and go hang out in it.
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Is there a reason you feel you are entitled to more consideration and respect from me than you are giving to me?
Are you asking this rhetorically, or are you unsure of the answer??
I would imagine that your education and work experience would've taught you about the mindset of drug addicts like Zegh.
I don't have half the education you do in psychology but chances are I have as much or more experience with former and current addicts.
The pompus attitude, lack of real life accomplishment compared to their peers and general narcissism are all typical of this type.
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^there you go, that is what you were validating Elle. For no good reason, other than to be a surprise-bitch.
REMIND YOURSELF that you misinterpreted my sarcasm, you came in here and attacked me, you didn't care to discover who I am, or what my intentions were, before deciding to butt in with strong opinions.
I hope this lame-ass argument goes on for ever.
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I'd hate to say "you started it", but you started it. Learn to detect sarcasm, and learn who the fucking fuck you talk to, before talking to them. If not, don't be surprised when they get offended at being misinterpreted, when you decide to vocally and loudly misinterpret them. This is boring. Make a call-out thread, and go hang out in it.
If you care to make a call-out thread, go ahead, but I'm fine with letting the conversation die. I was holding out hope that you would be willing to engage in some kind of real dialogue, but I no longer believe that may happen. You seem to be far more interested in tantrumming at small slights than in conversing or debating.
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I'd hate to say "you started it", but you started it. Learn to detect sarcasm, and learn who the fucking fuck you talk to, before talking to them. If not, don't be surprised when they get offended at being misinterpreted, when you decide to vocally and loudly misinterpret them. This is boring. Make a call-out thread, and go hang out in it.
If you care to make a call-out thread, go ahead, but I'm fine with letting the conversation die. I was holding out hope that you would be willing to engage in some kind of real dialogue, but I no longer believe that may happen. You seem to be far more interested in tantrumming at small slights than in conversing or debating.
You weren't hoping for squat. You came in believing you were putting-in-place an upper class elitist, and since then you have refused to concede even an inch. The first thing I did was to admit that I should not have expected you to know me, before butting in. I have evidently taken that back.
You and the angry deluded noob are fond of using the word "tantruming" when things don't go your way. Don't you have some gypsies to accuse of nazism or gays to accuse of homophobia? Fuck off. Get some confidence. Learn to admit an error.
If you knew me, then you would also know that I don't set foot in the call-out forum, because I find arena piss contests to be ridiculous, and for the desperately insecure :]
I was being sarcastic again :]
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I'd hate to say "you started it", but you started it. Learn to detect sarcasm, and learn who the fucking fuck you talk to, before talking to them. If not, don't be surprised when they get offended at being misinterpreted, when you decide to vocally and loudly misinterpret them. This is boring. Make a call-out thread, and go hang out in it.
If you care to make a call-out thread, go ahead, but I'm fine with letting the conversation die. I was holding out hope that you would be willing to engage in some kind of real dialogue, but I no longer believe that may happen. You seem to be far more interested in tantrumming at small slights than in conversing or debating.
You weren't hoping for squat. You came in believing you were putting-in-place an upper class elitist, and since then you have refused to concede even an inch. The first thing I did was to admit that I should not have expected you to know me, before butting in. I have evidently taken that back.
You and the angry deluded noob are fond of using the word "tantruming" when things don't go your way. Don't you have some gypsies to accuse of nazism or gays to accuse of homophobia? Fuck off. Get some confidence. Learn to admit an error.
If you knew me, then you would also know that I don't set foot in the call-out forum, because I find arena piss contests to be ridiculous, and for the desperately insecure :]
I was being sarcastic again :]
Don't speak for me, please.
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I'd hate to say "you started it", but you started it. Learn to detect sarcasm, and learn who the fucking fuck you talk to, before talking to them. If not, don't be surprised when they get offended at being misinterpreted, when you decide to vocally and loudly misinterpret them. This is boring. Make a call-out thread, and go hang out in it.
If you care to make a call-out thread, go ahead, but I'm fine with letting the conversation die. I was holding out hope that you would be willing to engage in some kind of real dialogue, but I no longer believe that may happen. You seem to be far more interested in tantrumming at small slights than in conversing or debating.
You weren't hoping for squat. You came in believing you were putting-in-place an upper class elitist, and since then you have refused to concede even an inch. The first thing I did was to admit that I should not have expected you to know me, before butting in. I have evidently taken that back.
You and the angry deluded noob are fond of using the word "tantruming" when things don't go your way. Don't you have some gypsies to accuse of nazism or gays to accuse of homophobia? Fuck off. Get some confidence. Learn to admit an error.
If you knew me, then you would also know that I don't set foot in the call-out forum, because I find arena piss contests to be ridiculous, and for the desperately insecure :]
I was being sarcastic again :]
Don't speak for me, please.
Problems with chronology?
(Spoonfeed time: Don't go around delegitimizing my arguments by making rushed assumptions. When you do, don't get all Magneto-master-mind "lol u get offended. u show weaknezz!" on me. That's I2 sandbox behavior, it's for children. You made a mistake, and you have refused and refused to admit it.)
You're the kind of person who slaps someone if the face for absolutely no reason - forgets about it the very next second, then makes a huge deal about how offensive their reaction is right afterwards.
There must be some medication you can take.
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Poor Zegh it must be so hard being the only intelligent life left on this planet. (emo)
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I'd hate to say "you started it", but you started it. Learn to detect sarcasm, and learn who the fucking fuck you talk to, before talking to them. If not, don't be surprised when they get offended at being misinterpreted, when you decide to vocally and loudly misinterpret them. This is boring. Make a call-out thread, and go hang out in it.
If you care to make a call-out thread, go ahead, but I'm fine with letting the conversation die. I was holding out hope that you would be willing to engage in some kind of real dialogue, but I no longer believe that may happen. You seem to be far more interested in tantrumming at small slights than in conversing or debating.
You weren't hoping for squat. You came in believing you were putting-in-place an upper class elitist, and since then you have refused to concede even an inch. The first thing I did was to admit that I should not have expected you to know me, before butting in. I have evidently taken that back.
You and the angry deluded noob are fond of using the word "tantruming" when things don't go your way. Don't you have some gypsies to accuse of nazism or gays to accuse of homophobia? Fuck off. Get some confidence. Learn to admit an error.
If you knew me, then you would also know that I don't set foot in the call-out forum, because I find arena piss contests to be ridiculous, and for the desperately insecure :]
I was being sarcastic again :]
Don't speak for me, please.
Problems with chronology?
(Spoonfeed time: Don't go around delegitimizing my arguments by making rushed assumptions. When you do, don't get all Magneto-master-mind "lol u get offended. u show weaknezz!" on me. That's I2 sandbox behavior, it's for children. You made a mistake, and you have refused and refused to admit it.)
You're the kind of person who slaps someone if the face for absolutely no reason - forgets about it the very next second, then makes a huge deal about how offensive their reaction is right afterwards.
There must be some medication you can take.
Godwin's Law :)
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Is there a reason you feel you are entitled to more consideration and respect from me than you are giving to me?
Are you asking this rhetorically, or are you unsure of the answer??
I would imagine that your education and work experience would've taught you about the mindset of drug addicts like Zegh.
I don't have half the education you do in psychology but chances are I have as much or more experience with former and current addicts.
The pompus attitude, lack of real life accomplishment compared to their peers and general narcissism are all typical of this type.
Bingo. You think he does more than just weed?
^there you go, that is what you were validating Elle. For no good reason, other than to be a surprise-bitch.
REMIND YOURSELF that you misinterpreted my sarcasm, you came in here and attacked me, you didn't care to discover who I am, or what my intentions were, before deciding to butt in with strong opinions.
I hope this lame-ass argument goes on for ever.
You're right. We need to validate you. Make you forget you live in a shitty basement.
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It always cracks me up how drugged up losers think they're the smartest people on earth. ::)
I think Zegh was the dumb friend perhaps?
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:indeed:
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(http://img.izismile.com/img/img4/20111123/640/funny_this_is_not_normal_meth_memes_640_28.jpg)
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:indeed:
(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/50/508f86597a69c79d5edae1cb61d9bed8fdc165ef3ac0e131a0e851eb618172de.jpg)
Aw, come on! That's faker than PandaLee's tits! ::)
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:indeed:
(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/50/508f86597a69c79d5edae1cb61d9bed8fdc165ef3ac0e131a0e851eb618172de.jpg)
Aw, come on! That's faker than PandaLee's tits! ::)
No it's not :M
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Yes it is. Obviously so around the eyes.