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Do you suppose any psychologists that treat the deeply delusional are ever subtley afraid one of their patients might be right.... and they don't know which one?
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Do you suppose any psychologists that treat the deeply delusional are ever subtley afraid one of their patients might be right.... and they don't know which one?
Oh sure. I forced a psychologist to ban me from his forums because he was afraid I was right.
I was talking about Israeli World Domination. He said I was delusional. Then I started posting proof. After a few days of me proving and proving and proving, he said I had something against Israelis and banned me.
Actually he was afraid I was right. There were 4 or 5 other things he was afraid I was right about to. Masturbation will make you blind and crippled. There is such a thing as telepathy. There is such a thing as possession. There is such a thing as human beings having energy.
He tried for literally 1 month to dissuade me. The arrogant fool actually said "I am going to study you Happeh". Like he thought he was going to cure me.
In the end, my utterly unshakeable confidence in everything I say forced him to ban me. I sometimes wonder if I got thru to him. I told him to come out from behind his desk into the real world and learn what the rest of us know is reality. I told him he was delusional. That was very satisfying. ;)
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Do you suppose any psychologists that treat the deeply delusional are ever subtley afraid one of their patients might be right.... and they don't know which one?
probably they would just recognize that is a passing, paranoid and irrational thought, the sort of thing everyone gets every-so-often, nothing to be concerned with and they go about their business
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In the end, my utterly unshakeable confidence in everything I say forced him to ban me. I sometimes wonder if I got thru to him. I told him to come out from behind his desk into the real world and learn what the rest of us know is reality. I told him he was delusional. That was very satisfying. Wink
Yep, you sure showed him ::)
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I find amusing the mental image of a doctor walking up and down the halls of a clinic looking over the cases, and them thinking to themself: "Jesus christ, i hope that guy isn't right."
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A story my clinical psych prof told: One of his earliest foresnic psychology cases was when one child in a family was accused of molesting another child. He spoke with many people in this case inclding the mother of the child, who said that the people who were invesitgating this were just after her brother. Sounded pretty nutty and paranoid. Well, the kid was found to not have done anything wrong (but was trauamtized by the investiagtion), and social services let it go- but added that they now "had somethign against the brother" which they wanted. My prof was like, wow.
So it depends on how wild the "delusions" are. Sometimes a delusion-sounding statement may hold a grain of truth.
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My very goal seems to be to achieve a delusional state.
It's funny, because unlike those who seem truly afflicted
by such things, I neither fully believe that they are possible,
nor desire help in combating against such things. I know that
life can become mundane again.
I've been noticing that I can simulate alcohol intoxication
recently. Some simple physical tricks, and something very
similar to a drunken state comes upon me. Before, I could
only modify what I saw slightly.
Are the waves of change real? Or do I convince myself
that they are? And, of course, does it even matter?
There are two ways to change one's situation. To actually
change the world, or to change ones perception. So, for example,
if one is bothered by homeless people, one could seek out a solution,
and act upon it. On the other hand, one could just change one's taste
to enjoy such things.
So, what about the middle road? Accepting one's perceptions as the underlying
reality, and changing them. More or less what I'm trying. Tried before though, and
failed. Never could maintain the force of will. Back in a time when I thought much
less grandious thunks, and merely sought to put myself into a permanent catatonic
state of dreams. By redefining reality, this all becomes more noble. A shift of perspective.
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My very goal seems to be to achieve a delusional state.
It's funny, because unlike those who seem truly afflicted
by such things, I neither fully believe that they are possible,
nor desire help in combating against such things. I know that
life can become mundane again.
I've been noticing that I can simulate alcohol intoxication
recently. Some simple physical tricks, and something very
similar to a drunken state comes upon me. Before, I could
only modify what I saw slightly.
Are the waves of change real? Or do I convince myself
that they are? And, of course, does it even matter?
There are two ways to change one's situation. To actually
change the world, or to change ones perception. So, for example,
if one is bothered by homeless people, one could seek out a solution,
and act upon it. On the other hand, one could just change one's taste
to enjoy such things.
So, what about the middle road? Accepting one's perceptions as the underlying
reality, and changing them. More or less what I'm trying. Tried before though, and
failed. Never could maintain the force of will. Back in a time when I thought much
less grandious thunks, and merely sought to put myself into a permanent catatonic
state of dreams. By redefining reality, this all becomes more noble. A shift of perspective.
you are right when you state that we do not think alike.
this post makes no sense to me. i choose to live.
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It's funny, because it was heavily directed at
you, as an attempt to explain that I'm not
entirely out of your 'real' world yet. Nor
am I convinced that my path is correct.
But, it feels better.
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It's funny, because it was heavily directed at
you, as an attempt to explain that I'm not
entirely out of your 'real' world yet. Nor
am I convinced that my path is correct.
But, it feels better.
:laugh:
that is funny.
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People who eventually get really bad schizophrenia do sometimes go through a stage where they realize beliefs they strongly possess are unrealistic or impossible. Or they go through waves of delusion and sanity and later recognize beliefs they were having were absurd.
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It's funny, because it was heavily directed at
you, as an attempt to explain that I'm not
entirely out of your 'real' world yet. Nor
am I convinced that my path is correct.
But, it feels better.
Most people try to avoid confirmation bias, you seem like you're trying to achieve it.
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People who eventually get really bad schizophrenia do sometimes go through a stage where they realize beliefs they strongly possess are unrealistic or impossible. Or they go through waves of delusion and sanity and later recognize beliefs they were having were absurd.
Right. But it's as though I'm attempting to
achieve the delusions. I can't manage them
fully.
It's funny, because it was heavily directed at
you, as an attempt to explain that I'm not
entirely out of your 'real' world yet. Nor
am I convinced that my path is correct.
But, it feels better.
Most people try to avoid confirmation bias, you seem like you're trying to achieve it.
I'm a skeptic at heart. And I want certainty,
but can't have it.
The thing which really worries me, is
that I'd be able to do a half-assed job,
and no more. Which is to say that I'd
slip in and out of delusions, and never
fully be able to control them. Without
control, and without them being absolute,
it just becomes another world like this one,
but with even more inconsistencies to make
it seem unreal.
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i was just telling someone the other day that i am a well trianed pessimist.
but i am hopeful that i am wrong.
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I'm a skeptic at heart. And I want certainty,
but can't have it.
The thing which really worries me, is
that I'd be able to do a half-assed job,
and no more. Which is to say that I'd
slip in and out of delusions, and never
fully be able to control them. Without
control, and without them being absolute,
it just becomes another world like this one,
but with even more inconsistencies to make
it seem unreal.
This sounds like the plotline to the comic book "The Maxx" they had a cartoon version of it on MTV about 10 years ago... did you ever see it??
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I'm a skeptic at heart. And I want certainty,
but can't have it.
The thing which really worries me, is
that I'd be able to do a half-assed job,
and no more. Which is to say that I'd
slip in and out of delusions, and never
fully be able to control them. Without
control, and without them being absolute,
it just becomes another world like this one,
but with even more inconsistencies to make
it seem unreal.
This sounds like the plotline to the comic book "The Maxx" they had a cartoon version of it on MTV about 10 years ago... did you ever see it??
No. And I've believed these things since I can remember
(say 9yrs old).
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If you want to increase your delusions all you have to do is what delusions do naturally: attempt to rationalize them. Genuinely crazy people have a edge on you, so you gotta start thinking creatively to make up the difference. You are looking for premises which cannot be proven or disproven. Like people who use god exists as a premise, or that good and evil exist as a premise. If they accept those things as truths then they can support any argument they like. Happeh took as his premises that any quality in a picture he looked at, and he wanted to, was a disfiguration. Plus he posited that people do masturbate, and since the statistics show that that is quite common, near universal for men, and due to our societies privacy values concerning it, there is no way that any subject he selected could be proven or disproven to have been masturbating. Using those undisprovable premises, he could support any argument he liked. It isn't scientific, but logical arguments dont need to be scientific, and using logical arguments to build ideas you form working models to base sense and knowledge with.
It is impossible to prove gravity exists, but people accept that it does, and based on other premises like that people have formed the study of physics and all of its principles and workings.
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If you want to increase your delusions all you have to do is what delusions do naturally: attempt to rationalize them. Genuinely crazy people have a edge on you, so you gotta start thinking creatively to make up the difference. You are looking for premises which cannot be proven or disproven. Like people who use god exists as a premise, or that good and evil exist as a premise. If they accept those things as truths then they can support any argument they like. Happeh took as his premises that any quality in a picture he looked at, and he wanted to, was a disfiguration. Plus he posited that people do masturbate, and since the statistics show that that is quite common, near universal for men, and due to our societies privacy values concerning it, there is no way that any subject he selected could be proven or disproven to have been masturbating. Using those undisprovable premises, he could support any argument he liked. It isn't scientific, but logical arguments dont need to be scientific, and using logical arguments to build ideas you form working models to base sense and knowledge with.
It is impossible to prove gravity exists, but people accept that it does, and based on other premises like that people have formed the study of physics and all of its principles and workings.
Doesn't seem like enough though. I mean, say I want to
negate gravity. I can certainly make some argument up
that I could convince myself of, but it doesn't mean that
my perceptions would change enough to walk on air. Nor
am I quite stupid enough to believe my faith.
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You can constitute some other explanation for gravity. Just take something unprovable that shows that you aren't bound by gravity, and it only appears like you do because other peoples perceptions are flawed. Seriously, be creative and you can make up anything you care to.
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No doubt. It's not the explanations that I want
to change, but the perceptions which cause them.
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Well if you cant systematically cause yourself to believe anything you want, then there is one sure fire way of becoming delusional. Crystal meth.
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Well if you cant systematically cause yourself to believe anything you want, then there is one sure fire way of becoming delusional. Crystal meth.
Meth users still seem to interact with
reality as though it is mostly there.
I doubt that they have either the
kind of control, or the absolute
changes that I desire.
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Trust me, it is called amphetamine psychosis. The longer you use it, the crazier you will become.
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I'm unwilling to let go, all on faith.
I pretty much want it all now, or
nothing. How I am about most things.
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This is not a matter of faith. Look at the evidence, the statistics, fuck your stupid personal opinions about meth users. Crystal meth is one of the biggest red lights for therapists who find out their patients use it as their drug of choice. If you smoke crystal meth, you are GOING to go insane.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphetamine_psychosis
The fastest way to go nuts is to get CRYSTAL meth, not just meth pills. You consume it by putting the crystals in a pipe and vaporizing them with a lighter and inhaling the vaporized gas. Crystal meth is the most intense and powerful version of it, and will make you get delusions and hallucinations the fastest.
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Seductive, but I still don't have the faith that
I'd have the control. Or the purity. Plus, people
would say it's why I spam.
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http://www.acnp.org/g4/GN401000166/Default.htm
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http://rnceus.com/meth/methpsych.html
Hanna capps has mild amphetamine psychosis, she has posted here before.
Ever seen requiem for a dream? Sara goldfarb had amphetamine psychosis.
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Way too weak. Not what I want.
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The only way you can not be using this is if you dont actually want to be crazy and you are just saying you do for some other reason. Ask any doctor about crystal meth and you will get an earful of warnings about getting symptoms like paranoid schizophrenia.
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Crystal meth is THE drug for this. You can display psychotic symptoms using any drug from alcohol to coffee, but amphetamines are THE drug for permenant psychosis.
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Seriously. Ask PMS Elle, ask Superkuh, anybody else wanna confirm to candale that it will drive him insane? Want me to get a letter signed by all the psychology professors and biology professors in my college before you'll listen to me?
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Don't you realize that the insanity that it
offers just isn't enough? It's exactly what
I fear that I might come to, if my experiments
half-succeed. This kind of half real existence
would be worse than what I have now.
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Calandale. You wont half succede. You will go completely insane. Chronic usage of meth amphetamine has results which vary from Immediate psychosis, to completely batshit insane.
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What you are calling completely insane
strikes me as half-success. It does not
seem like the ascension that I seek.
Something which led quickly to catatonia
would be more promising, but I still couldn't
assure myself of control or a better reality.
This is why I stopped playing with hallucinogens,
what little that I did.
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Well obviously you dont actually want what you are asking for because you are literally asking for crystal meth.
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Well obviously you dont actually want what you are asking for because you are literally asking for crystal meth.
Or you're not reading the meaning of what I'm
asking for. 'Tis closer to religion than to such
mild drugs as you espouse.
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What no attention for me?
No one going to poke fun at me?
I don't give a fuck if you do anyway. Feel so wonderful, may just be inclined to laugh.
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meanwhile, back on the home planet.....
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Hey, at least Nomaken's trying to be
helpful.
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How so? Trying to confuse the confused?
Just trying to do that!
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How so? Trying to confuse the confused?
Just trying to do that!
The exploration is where the value might
well be.
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What no attention for me?
No one going to poke fun at me?
I don't give a fuck if you do anyway. Feel so wonderful, may just be inclined to laugh.
You aren't delusional, you are autistic and have bipolar.
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Keep up the good work Nomaken. :thumbup:
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Keep up the good work Nomaken. :thumbup:
nomaken is no longer your enemy??
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Anything that both distracts the spam bot,
and harasses flo is McJ's friend, it gives him
more time to make his tremendously
relevant posts
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Me and mcjagger aren't enemies. We're just critics of each other. And critism isn't necessarily an insult.
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Keep up the good work Nomaken. :thumbup:
nomaken is no longer your enemy??
i don't have enemies...just challengers.
i jusy think that Nomaken has done a great job in this thread. Nomakens efforts here have helped me to understand Calandale better.three times i had it figured out, and three times i have forgotten what i had concluded
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Keep up the good work Nomaken. :thumbup:
nomaken is no longer your enemy??
i don't have enemies...just challengers.
i jusy think that Nomaken has done a great job in this thread. Nomakens efforts here have helped me to understand Calandale better.three times i had it figured out, and three times i have forgotten what i had concluded
That I'm a waste of reading time?
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Keep up the good work Nomaken. :thumbup:
nomaken is no longer your enemy??
i don't have enemies...just challengers.
i jusy think that Nomaken has done a great job in this thread. Nomakens efforts here have helped me to understand Calandale better.three times i had it figured out, and three times i have forgotten what i had concluded
That I'm a waste of reading time?
dunno.
i can't remember
i think it had to do with an unconsidered life isn't worth living and you were looking for the opposite.
like i said, i can't remember.
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i think it had to do with an unconsidered life isn't worth living and you were looking for the opposite.
like i said, i can't remember.
The trouble is, is that he has hinted in both directions therefore you can't pin him down to one position or the other.
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i think it had to do with an unconsidered life isn't worth living and you were looking for the opposite.
like i said, i can't remember.
The trouble is, is that he has hinted in both directions therefore you can't pin him down to one position or the other.
Of course not. According to you, I'm always lying.
Look, sometimes it's hard to discern what one's views
are. I'm constantly exploring and refining my thinking.
Deal with it.
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calandale, would you rather fall deep into dillusion, or would you rather figure it all out?
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The trouble with amphetamine psychosis is that Calendale wouldn't be able to pick and choose his delusions.
And along the lines of people's ability to come up with bullshit theories about anything, here's a web site that points out how easy that is to do, as a jab at holocaust deniers: http://www.revisionism.nl/Moon/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm
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calandale, would you rather fall deep into dillusion, or would you rather figure it all out?
Hard to tell. Presuming an objective reality (which I don't), it would seem that
"figuring it all out" is impossible. If reality is entirely subjective, then the route
to the delusions that I seek seems to require figuring quite a bit out.
I suspect I'd just rather not be though.
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calandale, would you rather fall deep into dillusion, or would you rather figure it all out?
Hard to tell. Presuming an objective reality (which I don't), it would seem that
"figuring it all out" is impossible. If reality is entirely subjective, then the route
to the delusions that I seek seems to require figuring quite a bit out.
I suspect I'd just rather not be though.
Actually, even if subjective realuty exists, if you came to perfect self-knowledge, you would then know how to make yourself delusional. You just might no longer have such motivation.
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calandale, would you rather fall deep into dillusion, or would you rather figure it all out?
Hard to tell. Presuming an objective reality (which I don't), it would seem that
"figuring it all out" is impossible. If reality is entirely subjective, then the route
to the delusions that I seek seems to require figuring quite a bit out.
I suspect I'd just rather not be though.
Actually, even if subjective realuty exists, if you came to perfect self-knowledge, you would then know how to make yourself delusional. You just might no longer have such motivation.
If reality is truly subjective though, it's no longer a delusion.
Still might not want to change things, but that's a completely
different issue from the one which you're looking at.
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*meant if objective reality exists, although what I said is probably true anyway.
Granny PMS's brain is going down the shitter. Someone fetch her her trifocals and her South Beach Diet approved ribbon candy.
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You want Me to mail You My bifocals.
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You want Me to mail You My bifocals.
Eh? You're going to maul the locals? What did they do to deserve that?
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You want Me to mail You My bifocals.
Eh? You're going to maul the locals? What did they do to deserve that?
cute.
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You want Me to mail You My bifocals.
Eh? You're going to maul the locals? What did they do to deserve that?
Groan. ::)
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*meant if objective reality exists, although what I said is probably true anyway.
Granny PMS's brain is going down the shitter. Someone fetch her her trifocals and her South Beach Diet approved ribbon candy.
It was a joke.You want Me to mail You My bifocals.
Eh? You're going to maul the locals? What did they do to deserve that?
So this is why a said what I said.
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Do you suppose any psychologists that treat the deeply delusional are ever subtley afraid one of their patients might be right
not psychologists, psychiatrists. the only psycologist i met was extremely nice, the other two psychiatrists were rude as hell