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Start here => What's your crime? Basic Discussion => Topic started by: Trigger 11 on August 05, 2010, 10:02:40 PM
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Some asshole followed me into a parking lot and started yelling obscenities at me and saying he was kick to my ass. I got of my car and walked out of my way to avoid him and he continued. I started to yell back over my shoulder, continuing to walk away and into the store and he pulled out in his can to get parallel with me again and kept threatening. I yelled to "Fuck off and leave me alone!" ad continued to walk towards the entrance of the store. All of a sudden a cop car pulls up, nearly hitting me in the crosswalk and a cop gets out and steps in front of me, telling me to hold it right there. The other guy takes off in his van, but was chased down by the cop still in the car. I was charged with "Curse and Abuse" a Class 3 Misdemeanor.
It's bullshit as I tried to avoid the guy and hi threats and never stopped walking away. Just because I finally had enough and yelled back at him, I had to get arrested and now must go to court. I could lose my clearance and thus my job.
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Have you talked to a lawyer yet? You definitely need a lawyer because although this is bullshit that you got arrested, if you could lose your clearance over a misdemeanor conviction, you need all the help you can get.
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"Curse and Abuse" WTF
You did the right thing avoiding a fight only to be charged with this. I hope they charged the other guy with fight on top of what you got. Time to move back north
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"Curse and Abuse" ::)
I'd like to see them enforce something that stupid around here. :laugh:
I would definately pursue legal help though, too much at stake. :P
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I don't know what to say except, WTF? I don't really understand not being able to curse in public. Isn't there freedom of speech or something like that in our Constitution (being facetious now)?
Definitely get some legal advice and hopefully you can get it quashed before trial.
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Something stupid like that the ACLU might even be interested
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Something stupid like that the ACLU might even be interested
The ACLU doesn't usually (if ever) get involved in cases outside the US, and I can't imagine their being a "Curse and abuse" law on the books anywhere in the US.
The right to tell someone to fuck off is one of the founding principals of the USA and is protected by the constitution.
The right to kick someone's ass isn't protected, but that wouldn't stop me if I were in that situation.
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As much as it sounds like something like that could never happen in America, Trigger lives in the US.
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Shit Trigger, hope you get out of this OK. Getting a lawyer seems like a good idea indeed.
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I'm sure your constant need to drive at 10mph pissed him off.
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That's terrible. Good luck.
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I hope it works out. Incredibly stupid law if it holds water.
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That is a gay fucking charge. The cop must have been having a shitty day, or he may be one of those "God died and left me in charge" kind of full time fucktards.
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Maybe there is a journalist in your community who would be interested in this story. :chin:
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Something stupid like that the ACLU might even be interested
The right to tell someone to fuck off is one of the founding principals of the USA and is protected by the constitution.
Hilarious. I lol'd :plus:
It seems like craziness in a country that has some pretty generous gun laws, that mouthing off to protect yourself is punishable by law?
Surely once you see a lawyer Trigger and tell them that you were being abused by someone driving past and were scared (tell them you were shit scared, regardless of whether you were or weren't), you will be fine.
You need to move to my state in Australia;
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/7941065/swearing-at-police-okay-queensland-magistrate
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It seems like craziness in a country that has some pretty generous gun laws, that mouthing off to protect yourself is punishable by law?
The Penis mightier conundrum.
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It seems like craziness in a country that has some pretty generous gun laws, that mouthing off to protect yourself is punishable by law?
The Penis mightier conundrum.
I wonder if that "cursing and abuse" thing is some statute from 1756 or somewhere thereabouts that's never been taken off the books. :thumbdn:
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I looked at Trigger11's profile, but have no clue where he's from so the application of the law is murky to me.
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I looked at Trigger11's profile, but have no clue where he's from so the application of the law is murky to me.
Callaway says upthread that he lives right here in the U.S.! I can't believe telling some harassing creep to fuck off is a punishable offense! :facepalm2:
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It seems like craziness in a country that has some pretty generous gun laws, that mouthing off to protect yourself is punishable by law?
The Penis mightier conundrum.
I'm more interested in a man's oral skills than his gun.
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I looked at Trigger11's profile, but have no clue where he's from so the application of the law is murky to me.
Callaway says upthread that he lives right here in the U.S.! I can't believe telling some harassing creep to fuck off is a punishable offense! :facepalm2:
He lives South of the Mason Dixion line where there are lots of religious nuts that need a crackin'
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It seems like craziness in a country that has some pretty generous gun laws, that mouthing off to protect yourself is punishable by law?
The Penis mightier conundrum.
I'm more interested in a man's oral skills than his gun.
The Curious Case Of The Cunning Linguist. Holmes lost to a Frenchman.
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I tend to look at both sides here:
Trigger11 is a self-confessed anal-retentive, so his over-morality and over-adherence to speed limits etc. WILL piss off a fair few people. Even though the guy giving abuse may be an arsehole, it was most likely caused by trigger11's urge to drive slow.
Policemen are usually bored fuckers, especially if they're in a quiet spot. Just because they've the power of authority does not mean they're instantly true and just. As they are human, they are suspectible to the same human nature as the rest of us. This guy making up bullshit as an excuse to arrest is an example of that.
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I tend to look at both sides here:
Trigger11 is a self-confessed anal-retentive, so his over-morality and over-adherence to speed limits etc. WILL piss off a fair few people. Even though the guy giving abuse may be an arsehole, it was most likely caused by trigger11's urge to drive slow.
Policemen are usually bored fuckers, especially if they're in a quiet spot. Just because they've the power of authority does not mean they're instantly true and just. As they are human, they are suspectible to the same human nature as the rest of us. This guy making up bullshit as an excuse to arrest is an example of that.
Where does Trigger say he is anal attentive?
Adherence to speed limits doesn't mean that people deserve to be abused. And the limits in a car park are understandable, given that small children and pedestrians are in the vicinity.
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Where does Trigger say he is anal attentive?
He mentioned it here and on ZOMG a few times. Along with his obsession with everything being eco-friendly and sofourth. Trigger has issues before with people due to his awkward aspie manner of abiding laws etc.
An example was when he refused to sell cigarettes to a customer "due to moral reasons" in his past.
Adherence to speed limits doesn't mean that people deserve to be abused. And the limits in a car park are understandable, given that small children and pedestrians are in the vicinity.
The abuse obviously was ignited before trigger arrived to the car park, because the other guy was behind him on the road (followed me into a parking lot). This leads to question if the actual reason of the guy getting pissed off was due to trigger's slow driving on the road (possibly slower than the limit), the rage caused by something most drivers get at various degrees: road rage. :laugh:
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Where does Trigger say he is anal attentive?
He mentioned it here and on ZOMG a few times. Along with his obsession with everything being eco-friendly and sofourth. Trigger has issues before with people due to his awkward aspie manner of abiding laws etc.
An example was when he refused to sell cigarettes to a customer "due to moral reasons" in his past.
Adherence to speed limits doesn't mean that people deserve to be abused. And the limits in a car park are understandable, given that small children and pedestrians are in the vicinity.
The abuse obviously was ignited before trigger arrived to the car park, because the other guy was behind him on the road (followed me into a parking lot). This leads to question if the actual reason of the guy getting pissed off was due to trigger's slow driving on the road (possibly slower than the limit), the rage caused by something most drivers get at various degrees: road rage. :laugh:
So, are you going to provide a link to these said observations of Trigger?
I think you are assuming a lot about what led to the altercation. And if Trigger was driving at the limit and someone got pissed off....WTF does that have to do with AS? As you say 'his awkward Aspie manner of abiding laws'....ah, I don't think it's just people with AS who abide laws.
I just don't see your point in calling out someone as having awkward AS traits because they abide by the law. I think most people are expected to abide by the law.
Besides, your assumption of the story is all heresay.
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Well, they were hardly flying before they got to the carpark. Maybe they were sailing? Or walking with cars attached to them? That isn't heresay that they were driving on the road first, that's common sense.
Also, there's a major difference between law abiding and "awkward Aspie manner of abiding laws". The former can do it without pissing many people off. The latter takes the laws literally and awkwardly abides them, causing more harm than good. For example, going 20mph on a 60mph motorway because they see that as a sure fire way to not get in trouble. Another example would be to not download stuff off torrent websites because they see it as "strictly against the law", even though it's extremely hard to enforce piracy laws online.
I'm sure Trigger will explain, so we will see if my assumption that it was caused by his slow driving is correct. As for links, look them up yourself.
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As for links, look them up yourself.
As you will see the premise of this site is;
" There are no boundaries here over what may be said, save for one rule - be prepared to back up your words. "
Too lazy to back them up?
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At any rate, being busted for swearing is a load of bullshit. Are people really that trivially motivated, to even care about such superficial concepts like swearing in public? I think there are far worse things going on right now that need more attention, I mean please.
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This leads to question if the actual reason of the guy getting pissed
Who cares if a terrorist feels provoked? Have experienced being followed in the car by an angry stranger, home in fact. Who is the more offensive one? Sometimes people are really creepy.
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As for links, look them up yourself.
As you will see the premise of this site is;
" There are no boundaries here over what may be said, save for one rule - be prepared to back up your words. "
Too lazy to back them up?
The words are there, but I'm letting you look for them.
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This leads to question if the actual reason of the guy getting pissed
Who cares if a terrorist feels provoked? Have experienced being followed in the car by an angry stranger, home in fact. Who is the more offensive one? Sometimes people are really creepy.
It seems more likely it's caused by frustration. I have yet to see someone threaten violence on the road for absolutely no reason apart from road rage.
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As for links, look them up yourself.
As you will see the premise of this site is;
" There are no boundaries here over what may be said, save for one rule - be prepared to back up your words. "
Too lazy to back them up?
The words are there, but I'm letting you look for them.
They are there no time now to look but I can assure you they are. Will look later
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It seems more likely it's caused by frustration. I have yet to see someone threaten violence on the road for absolutely no reason apart from road rage.
Maybe he just got fired. Maybe his old lady is cheating on him. Maybe he had a bad hemorrhoid. Stalking and threats of violence have no excuse. Trigger's first action to protect himself from his own charges should be to press charges against his creepy offender.
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It seems more likely it's caused by frustration. I have yet to see someone threaten violence on the road for absolutely no reason apart from road rage.
Maybe he just got fired. Maybe his old lady is cheating on him. Maybe he had a bad hemorrhoid. Stalking and threats of violence have no excuse. Trigger's first action to protect himself from his own charges should be to press charges against his creepy offender.
Yes, but what would *trigger* him to go like that towards Trigger? Trigger must have been doing something to make him snap. This is why I believe it's the cause of Trigger driving slowly.
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Maybe we are having a conversation about two different things. My point makes the question moot. You might as well ask why Tigger drives slowly.
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Trigger already admitted he likes to drive fairly slow. Rather than spend hours looking for something to prove a silly internet argument, i'll let you look it up or wait until Trigger himself says it.
As for the over-morality (not letting people buy cigs etc.), that was typed on ZOMG. Sadly ZOMG is gone now.
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Someone about to explode can do that for any reason. If the smile of Trigger reminded him of his boss, that could have been enough.
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Trigger already admitted he likes to drive fairly slow. Rather than spend hours looking for someone to prove a silly internet argument, i'll let you look it up or wait until Trigger himself says it.
As for the over-morality, that was typed on ZOMG. Sadly ZOMG is gone now.
I was going to suggest thewaybackmachine, but apparently there's bugger all of ZOMG archived (only a few pages around 2007 and 2008 were archived).
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I really can't be arsed though. I know what I read. Trigger claims to never lie so I'll leave it up to him.
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Trigger already admitted he likes to drive fairly slow. Rather than spend hours looking for something to prove a silly internet argument, i'll let you look it up or wait until Trigger himself says it.
As for the over-morality (not letting people buy cigs etc.), that was typed on ZOMG. Sadly ZOMG is gone now.
Not denying your truthfulness or that this encounter may have had some aspect of predetermination, but rather claiming chain of events to be irrelevant and certain thing lack good excuse.
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Sorry about talking about you in third person, Trigger. That's rude. Will stop now.
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Someone about to explode can do that for any reason. If the smile of Trigger reminded him of his boss, that could have been enough.
Actually, staring at someone will usually do that. People usually don't lash out at someone unless provocation occurred, even in the smallest way. It could be as simple as looking at the person and making eye contact. Besides I doubt someone will threaten to kick your ass if your smile reminds them of something negative; usually they'll tell you to fuck off, provoke you or throw a tirade of insults at you until you leave. Of course, this doesn't apply if you're dealing with a psychopath, as anything could set them off.
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Yes, but both were driving before it happened. There could be countless reasons on why the guy was pissed off (might be late for something etc.), but ultimately it was triggered by something. That something could be Trigger's driving. If the guy was late for something important and Trigger's need to drive slow made him miss it, that could have caused him to follow him to the car park and give threats. There was no word if Trigger knew the guy before or anything.
If it was the case that the person is a psycopath, then I don't know. But it seems unlikely in this case.
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but ultimately it was triggered by something.
Everything has a chain of events leading up to it from the beginning of time. Blame the big bang, or God, whichever preferred. Morality and philosophy don't always mix well. Then, maybe blame isn't the point being made, and separate discussions was a correct guess.
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I tend to look at both sides here:
Trigger11 is a self-confessed anal-retentive, so his over-morality and over-adherence to speed limits etc. WILL piss off a fair few people. Even though the guy giving abuse may be an arsehole, it was most likely caused by trigger11's urge to drive slow.
Policemen are usually bored fuckers, especially if they're in a quiet spot. Just because they've the power of authority does not mean they're instantly true and just. As they are human, they are suspectible to the same human nature as the rest of us. This guy making up bullshit as an excuse to arrest is an example of that.
Where does Trigger say he is anal attentive?
Adherence to speed limits doesn't mean that people deserve to be abused. And the limits in a car park are understandable, given that small children and pedestrians are in the vicinity.
OMFG I just realised I wrote 'anal attentive'.... :LMAO:
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I tend to look at both sides here:
Trigger11 is a self-confessed anal-retentive, so his over-morality and over-adherence to speed limits etc. WILL piss off a fair few people. Even though the guy giving abuse may be an arsehole, it was most likely caused by trigger11's urge to drive slow.
Policemen are usually bored fuckers, especially if they're in a quiet spot. Just because they've the power of authority does not mean they're instantly true and just. As they are human, they are suspectible to the same human nature as the rest of us. This guy making up bullshit as an excuse to arrest is an example of that.
Where does Trigger say he is anal attentive?
Adherence to speed limits doesn't mean that people deserve to be abused. And the limits in a car park are understandable, given that small children and pedestrians are in the vicinity.
OMFG I just realised I wrote 'anal attentive'.... :LMAO:
Aha! Where did THAT come from? :evillaugh:
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I tend to look at both sides here:
Trigger11 is a self-confessed anal-retentive, so his over-morality and over-adherence to speed limits etc. WILL piss off a fair few people. Even though the guy giving abuse may be an arsehole, it was most likely caused by trigger11's urge to drive slow.
Policemen are usually bored fuckers, especially if they're in a quiet spot. Just because they've the power of authority does not mean they're instantly true and just. As they are human, they are suspectible to the same human nature as the rest of us. This guy making up bullshit as an excuse to arrest is an example of that.
Where does Trigger say he is anal attentive?
Adherence to speed limits doesn't mean that people deserve to be abused. And the limits in a car park are understandable, given that small children and pedestrians are in the vicinity.
OMFG I just realised I wrote 'anal attentive'.... :LMAO:
Aha! Where did THAT come from? :evillaugh:
I think it snuck up on her from behind. :evillaugh:
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I tend to look at both sides here:
Trigger11 is a self-confessed anal-retentive, so his over-morality and over-adherence to speed limits etc. WILL piss off a fair few people. Even though the guy giving abuse may be an arsehole, it was most likely caused by trigger11's urge to drive slow.
Policemen are usually bored fuckers, especially if they're in a quiet spot. Just because they've the power of authority does not mean they're instantly true and just. As they are human, they are suspectible to the same human nature as the rest of us. This guy making up bullshit as an excuse to arrest is an example of that.
Where does Trigger say he is anal attentive?
Adherence to speed limits doesn't mean that people deserve to be abused. And the limits in a car park are understandable, given that small children and pedestrians are in the vicinity.
OMFG I just realised I wrote 'anal attentive'.... :LMAO:
Aha! Where did THAT come from? :evillaugh:
I think it snuck up on her from behind. :evillaugh:
:plus: Weakling, you are OFFICIALLY too much! :rofl:
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Re: Trigger's slow driving- I agree that slow drivers are irritating as fuck to some drivers, but that's not an excuse for speed demons to verbally or physically assault them. If you're stuck behind someone who's driving too slowly, suck it up, or swear at them from inside your car with the windows rolled up. Going beyond that is pretty much retarded and pointless, and will make you even later than you already are, if you are.
As a side note, I usually don't assume that slow drivers are adhering to the law because thye're interpreting it too literally. I usually check for gray hair, and if that isn't present, assume they're probably drunk and/or high and don't want to get pulled over because they know they'll be in deep shit if they are. :laugh:
Re: Trigger's original post: Get legal representation. The charge sounds absolutely bogus, but you can't trust that the legal system will act in a sane manner. Shit, you can't trust that the legal system will act in a legal manner.
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Where is he, anyway? Maybe he's been arrested again?!
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Cops are stupid.
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Cops are stupid.
Usually they are not stupid. Some of them are irritating fucking megalomaniacs but very few of them are stupid IMO.
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As my father advised me, "Do what the cop says. You can always sue the bastards later." And he was an auxiliary (voluntary) policeman for about 10 years.
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As my father advised me, "Do what the cop says. You can always sue the bastards later." And he was an auxiliary (voluntary) policeman for about 10 years.
Good advise hard sometimes but it works :thumbup:
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So have the charges been dropped Trigger?
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Well, as an update, I went to court and asked if I could sit outside the courtroom, because you aren't allowed to wear hats and sunglasses and my light sensitivity just exacerbates my anxiety, as any of my sensory issues would. They complied and took my name down and said they would come get me when it was my time. Almost 7 hours later, I went back in and at a recess I asked if they were going to call me. Apparently they forgot I was outside and I was found guilty in absentia. The other bailiff was cool and went back to talk to the judge, so when the recess was over he called me up and we talked about the issue. He couldn't judge on the charges because the deputy was long gone, so he gave me a continuance until 29 September 2010.
To summarize, it was cool they were understanding of my issues, but then again they forgot all about me and I sat there all day with no sense of time because I left my phone in my car and there was no clock. I literally sat on a hard bench and never got up the whole time. Ultimately, the judge seems to be pretty reasonable, so I am confident when I return that I can reason with him. I have a clean record, so I am not a menace to society...yet! ;p
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Well, as an update, I went to court and asked if I could sit outside the courtroom, because you aren't allowed to wear hats and sunglasses and my light sensitivity just exacerbates my anxiety, as any of my sensory issues would. They complied and took my name down and said they would come get me when it was my time. Almost 7 hours later, I went back in and at a recess I asked if they were going to call me. Apparently they forgot I was outside and I was found guilty in absentia. The other bailiff was cool and went back to talk to the judge, so when the recess was over he called me up and we talked about the issue. He couldn't judge on the charges because the deputy was long gone, so he gave me a continuance until 29 September 2010.
To summarize, it was cool they were understanding of my issues, but then again they forgot all about me and I sat there all day with no sense of time because I left my phone in my car and there was no clock. I literally sat on a hard bench and never got up the whole time. Ultimately, the judge seems to be pretty reasonable, so I am confident when I return that I can reason with him. I have a clean record, so I am not a menace to society...yet! ;p
Seems like a stupid waste of everybody's time.
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Well, as an update, I went to court and asked if I could sit outside the courtroom, because you aren't allowed to wear hats and sunglasses and my light sensitivity just exacerbates my anxiety, as any of my sensory issues would. They complied and took my name down and said they would come get me when it was my time. Almost 7 hours later, I went back in and at a recess I asked if they were going to call me. Apparently they forgot I was outside and I was found guilty in absentia. The other bailiff was cool and went back to talk to the judge, so when the recess was over he called me up and we talked about the issue. He couldn't judge on the charges because the deputy was long gone, so he gave me a continuance until 29 September 2010.
To summarize, it was cool they were understanding of my issues, but then again they forgot all about me and I sat there all day with no sense of time because I left my phone in my car and there was no clock. I literally sat on a hard bench and never got up the whole time. Ultimately, the judge seems to be pretty reasonable, so I am confident when I return that I can reason with him. I have a clean record, so I am not a menace to society...yet! ;p
Be sure to be in Court next time. Affronting a Judge's ego is a big deal.
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I'm sure your constant need to drive at 10mph pissed him off.
I actually have a bit of a lead foot and speed, but not excessively, on highways and interstates. I do, however, take 35 mph and less zones very literally as they are so low for the reasons of pedestrians and, more importantly, kids.
To more thoroughly explain what happened, I cam around a bend and was in the merge lane. He was on the road I was merging onto, and he had the right of way. I came around the bend at the speed limit of 45 mph and found myself dead even with him. I had a car in front of, who merged in front of this guy, and a car behind me, whom I lost sight of coming around the bend. I could not speed up to merge in front of him, as there was not enough acceleration lane to do so and it would have been dick of me anyway. I couldn't do a hard slowdown to get behind him, because of that car behind me. I had a couple of seconds of lane left at that speed and put my car in neutral and naturally slowed down to let the guy get ahead of me, but not screw the car behind me, who may or may not be trying to speed up for the merge. I merged behind the guy at the very end of the merge lane, with about five feet between us. I continued to slow down as I merged, so as to put distance between us and not be tailgating. As I did so, I realized the left lane was completely clear, so I put my signal on and safely merged into the left lane, where I could accelerate back up to the speed limit and passed the guy. As I passed him he flipped me off and said, "Fuck you asshole!" He then followed me into the parking lot, parked near me, and continued to yell at me, including the threats of kicking my ass.
I can only guess that he was set off by one or both of the following:
1) I came around the bend in the merge lane and was right alongside of him for a couple of seconds.
2) By slowly merging over at the end of the lane, I cut the distance close from my front end and his bumper.
As a physicist and mathematician, I calculated everything precisely in my mind to do as safe a merge as possible, given all of the variables. I still had to worry about the car behind me that was momentarily out of my rearview mirror. I didn't have time to relocate that car, so I chose the easing off the gas and going into neutral method, rather than a quicker application of the brakes. You'd have to ask him, but he must have thought this was offensive in some way.
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Well, as an update, I went to court and asked if I could sit outside the courtroom, because you aren't allowed to wear hats and sunglasses and my light sensitivity just exacerbates my anxiety, as any of my sensory issues would. They complied and took my name down and said they would come get me when it was my time. Almost 7 hours later, I went back in and at a recess I asked if they were going to call me. Apparently they forgot I was outside and I was found guilty in absentia. The other bailiff was cool and went back to talk to the judge, so when the recess was over he called me up and we talked about the issue. He couldn't judge on the charges because the deputy was long gone, so he gave me a continuance until 29 September 2010.
To summarize, it was cool they were understanding of my issues, but then again they forgot all about me and I sat there all day with no sense of time because I left my phone in my car and there was no clock. I literally sat on a hard bench and never got up the whole time. Ultimately, the judge seems to be pretty reasonable, so I am confident when I return that I can reason with him. I have a clean record, so I am not a menace to society...yet! ;p
:plus: for staying calm enough to talk to the bailiff and judge after discovering that you had been found guilty in absentia through no fault of your own.
If that had happened to me, it would probably have taken all my strength not to start :bigcry: !
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Well, as an update, I went to court and asked if I could sit outside the courtroom, because you aren't allowed to wear hats and sunglasses and my light sensitivity just exacerbates my anxiety, as any of my sensory issues would. They complied and took my name down and said they would come get me when it was my time. Almost 7 hours later, I went back in and at a recess I asked if they were going to call me. Apparently they forgot I was outside and I was found guilty in absentia. The other bailiff was cool and went back to talk to the judge, so when the recess was over he called me up and we talked about the issue. He couldn't judge on the charges because the deputy was long gone, so he gave me a continuance until 29 September 2010.
To summarize, it was cool they were understanding of my issues, but then again they forgot all about me and I sat there all day with no sense of time because I left my phone in my car and there was no clock. I literally sat on a hard bench and never got up the whole time. Ultimately, the judge seems to be pretty reasonable, so I am confident when I return that I can reason with him. I have a clean record, so I am not a menace to society...yet! ;p
:plus: for staying calm enough to talk to the bailiff and judge after discovering that you had been found guilty in absentia through no fault of your own.
If that had happened to me, it would probably have taken all my strength not to start :bigcry: !
Thanks, but the Xanax XR deserves the credit. It was wearing down and after talking to the bailiff, but before getting to talk to the judge, I sat down and put my head down and cried. I did get my composure back, though. That was a long and tiring day emotionally and physically, and now I have to do it again. Yay! :thumbdn:
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Don't worry. If worse comes to worse, we'll make couldbecousin use her virtually untouched oven to bake you a cake with a file in it.
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Well, as an update, I went to court and asked if I could sit outside the courtroom, because you aren't allowed to wear hats and sunglasses and my light sensitivity just exacerbates my anxiety, as any of my sensory issues would. They complied and took my name down and said they would come get me when it was my time. Almost 7 hours later, I went back in and at a recess I asked if they were going to call me. Apparently they forgot I was outside and I was found guilty in absentia. The other bailiff was cool and went back to talk to the judge, so when the recess was over he called me up and we talked about the issue. He couldn't judge on the charges because the deputy was long gone, so he gave me a continuance until 29 September 2010.
To summarize, it was cool they were understanding of my issues, but then again they forgot all about me and I sat there all day with no sense of time because I left my phone in my car and there was no clock. I literally sat on a hard bench and never got up the whole time. Ultimately, the judge seems to be pretty reasonable, so I am confident when I return that I can reason with him. I have a clean record, so I am not a menace to society...yet! ;p
:plus: for staying calm enough to talk to the bailiff and judge after discovering that you had been found guilty in absentia through no fault of your own.
If that had happened to me, it would probably have taken all my strength not to start :bigcry: !
Thanks, but the Xanax XR deserves the credit. It was wearing down and after talking to the bailiff, but before getting to talk to the judge, I sat down and put my head down and cried. I did get my composure back, though. That was a long and tiring day emotionally and physically, and now I have to do it again. Yay! :thumbdn:
With any luck the second time will go a little easier. They aren't likely to forget you twice, right? :viking:
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Don't worry. If worse comes to worse, we'll make couldbecousin use her virtually untouched oven to bake you a cake with a file in it.
I actually bake a really good cake, will have to ask my sister for the recipe though. Then the file... :evillaugh:
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With any luck the second time will go a little easier. They aren't likely to forget you twice, right? :viking:
Maybe since they made the exception to sit outside the first time, they will just allow the sunglasses inside the second. A pair of wire frame sunglasses with small lenses would look just like regluar glasses but dark, and maybe acceptable.
I actually bake a really good cake, will have to ask my sister for the recipe though. Then the file... :evillaugh:
Wonder if people really did that, or if it's just history created by television.
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Why aren't dark glasses acceptable in court? It seems like a silly rule.
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Why aren't dark glasses acceptable in court? It seems like a silly rule.
People that wear dark glasses are dodgy. :zoinks:
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Also, it's considered bad manners in the US, along with men wearing hats indoors. BTW, women can wear hats indoors as long as they aren't casual hats like baseball caps.
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Also, it's considered bad manners in the US, along with men wearing hats indoors. BTW, women can wear hats indoors as long as they aren't casual hats like baseball caps.
It's considered bad manners here too, but it's not forbidden.
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Why aren't dark glasses acceptable in court? It seems like a silly rule.
People that wear dark glasses are dodgy. :zoinks:
Yes. Your point being...? ;D
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Why aren't dark glasses acceptable in court? It seems like a silly rule.
People that wear dark glasses are dodgy. :zoinks:
Yes. Your point being...? ;D
Nothing, as usual. :laugh:
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Why aren't dark glasses acceptable in court? It seems like a silly rule.
People that wear dark glasses are dodgy. :zoinks:
Yes. Your point being...? ;D
Nothing, as usual. :laugh:
That should be good news to millions of wearers of dark glasses the world over! :coolguy: :checkout: 8)
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You might be a redneck if you got arrested yesterday. Just sayin'... ::)
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Why aren't dark glasses acceptable in court? It seems like a silly rule.
Because the judge wants to look at your eyes to see if you are telling the truth.
There are several tell-tale movements of the eyes when processing certain types of information, which could give the judge a clue as to the witness' veracity.
I thought that when someone wore sunglasses for medical reasons, they were allowed, however.
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Why aren't dark glasses acceptable in court? It seems like a silly rule.
Because the judge wants to look at your eyes to see if you are telling the truth.
There are several tell-tale movements of the eyes when processing certain types of information, which could give the judge a clue as to the witness' veracity.
I thought that when someone wore sunglasses for medical reasons, they were allowed, however.
Yes, that should be allowed, I wonder what they say to elderly witnesses who wear those wraparound sunglasses after treatment for cataracts (?).
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Why aren't dark glasses acceptable in court? It seems like a silly rule.
Because the judge wants to look at your eyes to see if you are telling the truth.
There are several tell-tale movements of the eyes when processing certain types of information, which could give the judge a clue as to the witness' veracity.
I thought that when someone wore sunglasses for medical reasons, they were allowed, however.
Yes, that should be allowed, I wonder what they say to elderly witnesses who wear those wraparound sunglasses after treatment for cataracts (?).
Probably need a doctor's note.
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Why aren't dark glasses acceptable in court? It seems like a silly rule.
Because the judge wants to look at your eyes to see if you are telling the truth.
There are several tell-tale movements of the eyes when processing certain types of information, which could give the judge a clue as to the witness' veracity.
I thought that when someone wore sunglasses for medical reasons, they were allowed, however.
Yes, that should be allowed, I wonder what they say to elderly witnesses who wear those wraparound sunglasses after treatment for cataracts (?).
Probably need a doctor's note.
Maybe Trigger11 can get one! :idea:
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Why aren't dark glasses acceptable in court? It seems like a silly rule.
Because the judge wants to look at your eyes to see if you are telling the truth.
There are several tell-tale movements of the eyes when processing certain types of information, which could give the judge a clue as to the witness' veracity.
I thought that when someone wore sunglasses for medical reasons, they were allowed, however.
Yes, that should be allowed, I wonder what they say to elderly witnesses who wear those wraparound sunglasses after treatment for cataracts (?).
I would have them arrested. >:D
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Why aren't dark glasses acceptable in court? It seems like a silly rule.
Because the judge wants to look at your eyes to see if you are telling the truth.
There are several tell-tale movements of the eyes when processing certain types of information, which could give the judge a clue as to the witness' veracity.
I thought that when someone wore sunglasses for medical reasons, they were allowed, however.
Yes, that should be allowed, I wonder what they say to elderly witnesses who wear those wraparound sunglasses after treatment for cataracts (?).
I would have them arrested. >:D
Hey! Nothing wrong with them shades. They let us check out the hot youngsters without looking like the pervs we are. ;) ::) :o
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Why aren't dark glasses acceptable in court? It seems like a silly rule.
Because the judge wants to look at your eyes to see if you are telling the truth.
There are several tell-tale movements of the eyes when processing certain types of information, which could give the judge a clue as to the witness' veracity.
I thought that when someone wore sunglasses for medical reasons, they were allowed, however.
Yes, that should be allowed, I wonder what they say to elderly witnesses who wear those wraparound sunglasses after treatment for cataracts (?).
I would have them arrested. >:D
Hey! Nothing wrong with them shades. They let us check out the hot youngsters without looking like the pervs we are. ;) ::) :o
On that basis I would reconsider my earlier ruling.
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Why aren't dark glasses acceptable in court? It seems like a silly rule.
Because the judge wants to look at your eyes to see if you are telling the truth.
There are several tell-tale movements of the eyes when processing certain types of information, which could give the judge a clue as to the witness' veracity.
I thought that when someone wore sunglasses for medical reasons, they were allowed, however.
Yes, that should be allowed, I wonder what they say to elderly witnesses who wear those wraparound sunglasses after treatment for cataracts (?).
I would have them arrested. >:D
Hey! Nothing wrong with them shades. They let us check out the hot youngsters without looking like the pervs we are. ;) ::) :o
On that basis I would reconsider my earlier ruling.
Good call. :checkout:
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Why aren't dark glasses acceptable in court? It seems like a silly rule.
Because the judge wants to look at your eyes to see if you are telling the truth.
There are several tell-tale movements of the eyes when processing certain types of information, which could give the judge a clue as to the witness' veracity.
I thought that when someone wore sunglasses for medical reasons, they were allowed, however.
Yes, that should be allowed, I wonder what they say to elderly witnesses who wear those wraparound sunglasses after treatment for cataracts (?).
I would have them arrested. >:D
Hey! Nothing wrong with them shades. They let us check out the hot youngsters without looking like the pervs we are. ;) ::) :o
Shhh! Don't let them know the truth! :zoinks:
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Now you'll never be able to pass a little old lady wearing those glasses without wondering if she's looking you over.
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Now you'll never be able to pass a little old lady wearing those glasses without wondering if she's looking you over.
Hint: She is! :eyebrows:
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Why aren't dark glasses acceptable in court? It seems like a silly rule.
People that wear dark glasses are dodgy. :zoinks:
Yes. Your point being...? ;D
Nothing, as usual. :laugh:
That should be good news to millions of wearers of dark glasses the world over! :coolguy: :checkout: 8)
I'm very sensitive to light so I usually wear dark glasses. Then, of course, I *am* dodgy too. :zoinks:
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Why aren't dark glasses acceptable in court? It seems like a silly rule.
Because the judge wants to look at your eyes to see if you are telling the truth.
There are several tell-tale movements of the eyes when processing certain types of information, which could give the judge a clue as to the witness' veracity.
I thought that when someone wore sunglasses for medical reasons, they were allowed, however.
But you'd have to have some kind of proof of the medical condition, I assume?!
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=( GL, Trig.
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I wear Irlen lenses and they are dark enough so that when I had my driver's licence photo taken, I had to take them off. Same for my uni ID. I wonder what would happen if I had to go to court. I can't see very well without my glasses and I don't have clear lenses.
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It's a silly rule.
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Here's the latest development.
Because of the nature of my job, I had to report the incident, so I reported it to my department security representative, but I left it very generic. He asked for more information, but I didn't respond...partially due to my conflict avoidance and partially due to my belief that sharing personal information at work has been nothing but detrimental to my career, if you can call it that, and will only be used against me. So yesterday I get an e-mail from Division Head, who is my supervisor's boss and the one who has made it clear she wants me gone and I will not be promoted, given a raise, or anything as long as she is on that position, asking me for more details. The problem is, she should not have known about this. The security representative had no right to share this information with management. Now she has more ammo against me in her quest to get me fired. Today, I went to HR and discussed the implications and meet later this week with the counselor to determine if I should file a formal grievance or not. I also went down to our Command's security office and officially reported the incident to them, bypassing my department. They said this will not affect my clearance. Worst case, when my clearance comes up for review, I might get interviewed again to clarify what happened. But that will only happen if convicted and I am anticipating this getting thrown out.
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Here's the latest development.
Because of the nature of my job, I had to report the incident, so I reported it to my department security representative, but I left it very generic. He asked for more information, but I didn't respond...partially due to my conflict avoidance and partially due to my belief that sharing personal information at work has been nothing but detrimental to my career, if you can call it that, and will only be used against me. So yesterday I get an e-mail from Division Head, who is my supervisor's boss and the one who has made it clear she wants me gone and I will not be promoted, given a raise, or anything as long as she is on that position, asking me for more details. The problem is, she should not have known about this. The security representative had no right to share this information with management. Now she has more ammo against me in her quest to get me fired. Today, I went to HR and discussed the implications and meet later this week with the counselor to determine if I should file a formal grievance or not. I also went down to our Command's security office and officially reported the incident to them, bypassing my department. They said this will not affect my clearance. Worst case, when my clearance comes up for review, I might get interviewed again to clarify what happened. But that will only happen if convicted and I am anticipating this getting thrown out.
I hope it works out well. Good for you for standing up for yourself. :viking:
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Holy crap
As others have said in this thread , that IS a stupid law.
Sorry you're going through this :(
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Here's the latest development.
Because of the nature of my job, I had to report the incident, so I reported it to my department security representative, but I left it very generic. He asked for more information, but I didn't respond...partially due to my conflict avoidance and partially due to my belief that sharing personal information at work has been nothing but detrimental to my career, if you can call it that, and will only be used against me. So yesterday I get an e-mail from Division Head, who is my supervisor's boss and the one who has made it clear she wants me gone and I will not be promoted, given a raise, or anything as long as she is on that position, asking me for more details. The problem is, she should not have known about this. The security representative had no right to share this information with management. Now she has more ammo against me in her quest to get me fired. Today, I went to HR and discussed the implications and meet later this week with the counselor to determine if I should file a formal grievance or not. I also went down to our Command's security office and officially reported the incident to them, bypassing my department. They said this will not affect my clearance. Worst case, when my clearance comes up for review, I might get interviewed again to clarify what happened. But that will only happen if convicted and I am anticipating this getting thrown out.
I hope you're going to be OK and division head can't use this as ammo against you. I'm glad you found out that it won't affect your security clearance.
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Damn. Division Head sounds like a total fucking BITCH.
For the most part, I tend to have some faith in the good intentions and general "niceness" of most people, but then I hear about Management in the business sector and am reminded why religions invented the concept of Hell...
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Court in the morning! Wish me luck...or not! :hahaha:
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Good luck. :)
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Court in the morning! Wish me luck...or not! :hahaha:
Go get 'em! :headbang2:
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GOOD LUCK!!! :thumbup:
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Good luck.
:crossed:
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Seriously, good luck since I know it affects your job.
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Goodluck Trigger11
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goood luck from me too dude
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Good luck!!!
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Good Luck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Court in the morning! Wish me luck...or not! :hahaha:
Thinking of you and hoping it all goes ok x
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GUILTY! :finger:
Had to pay a $25 fine, which was good considering it was up to $500. Still leaves a bad taste in my mouth and is confusing. When asked to raise my hand I pointed out I couldn't do the whole deity thing and I was allowed to 'affirm' I would tell the truth. Don't want to go to work though now. Mind is racing.
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That is fucked mate. Sorry to hear it.
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GUILTY! :finger:
Had to pay a $25 fine, which was good considering it was up to $500. Still leaves a bad taste in my mouth and is confusing. When asked to raise my hand I pointed out I couldn't do the whole deity thing and I was allowed to 'affirm' I would tell the truth. Don't want to go to work though now. Mind is racing.
That is so fucked up.
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Watch what you say or you might get arrested for cursng!
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Can't believe it would end like that. What options do you have in the land of the brave and the free?
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It's one of those things I bet if you had enough money and time you could get the law overturned but it would take so much of both
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I'm going to look into it with the ACLU, but if you look it up online the courts generally won't take cases involving stuff like this. In CA you can wear a shirt that says fuck the courts or whatever, but in podunk VA you can't even say, "Fuck Off!"
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Fucked up. :grrr:
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Move out of the South
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I am sorry to hear that. I'm glad the fine was only $25, but how the hell do they expect people to defend themselves against aggression,
in moments of fear with adrenaline pumping, without possibly blurting out a curseword? And whose tender virgin ears are they protecting
with that law anyway? Somebody please remind them what century this is... :facepalm2:
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Sorry to hear Trigger.
It is really fucked up indeed.
Is it at least a fine without a record?
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Nope! I am now a common criminal according to the state of VA!
I'd love to not live in the 'south' but have three kids I ain't leaving. Plus, VA is supposed to be more inline with more moderate states and is really part of the mid-Atlantic, sans the southwestern part of the state. Due to the government and more specifically the military, the state is filled with people from the northeast and midwest.
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I can't believe they found you guilty.
I'm so sorry, Trigger.
At least it's a misdemeanor and won't affect your security clearance.
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you know what that reminds me. when i was at the arizona cardinals training camp a few years ago
after it was a hard thing to do to get emmit smiths autograph, outside a security guard almost called the cops because i was using foul language about how hard it was to get his auto.
doesnt suprise me. cops want to get you for anything
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My Uncle was recently charged for inciting "racial hatred" by his black neighbours, even though there was substantial evidence proving the opposite. I'm suck of these cunts playing the race card to pervert justice into some grand form of white guilt.
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Watch what you say or you might get arrested for cursng!
yep. a few years ago a security guard almost 'citizen' arrested me because i was displeased about how emmit smith wasnt signing autographs, of course i was using the F word and N word discribing my discust :zoinks:
i think the guy thought i was going to get physical with the star athlete. wich is hilarious, because im very non violent
people these days are too jumpy about fucking everything
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Holy crap! On my way home from work, some bitch pulls out from the light we were stopped at and all of sudden slows down and almost stops, even though the speed limit is 45 mph and turns to 55 mph in less than 100 feet. I was several car lengths behind her when she started to slow down. Naturally I got closer to her as she slowed and then she started to pump her brakes in front of me real hard. At this point I am about 10 feet behind her and she finally slides into the left turn lane. Not: She did not use a proper turn signal, giving no indication as to what her intent was. As I then accelerated past her, she screams out, "Fuck you, asshole!"
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME??!!??!!??
I just proceeded on even though two thoughts were prevalent in my head. One was to pull over and punch her in the face. But I am a pacifist and would never hit someone else. The other thought was to politely pull over, turn the recorder on on my iPhone, and get her to go on to a tirade of profanity and call the cops and have her arrested.
WHAT IS FUCKING WRONG WITH PEOPLE??!!??!!??
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I just proceeded on even though two thoughts were prevalent in my head. One was to pull over and punch her in the face. But I am a pacifist and would never hit someone else. The other thought was to politely pull over, turn the recorder on on my iPhone, and get her to go on to a tirade of profanity and call the cops and have her arrested.
WHAT IS FUCKING WRONG WITH PEOPLE??????????????
aww here dude have some karma. :plus:
and people are people. thats whats wrong with them
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So why should it be you and I would get along so awfully?
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i dunno? i like you as a person though, did we have an awful time here that i dont remember of?
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i dunno? i like you as a person though, did we have an awful time here that i dont remember of?
It's a Depeche Mode lyric! 8)
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i dunno? i like you as a person though, did we have an awful time here that i dont remember of?
It's a Depeche Mode lyric! 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRPi0l_6aQc
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i dunno? i like you as a person though, did we have an awful time here that I don't remember of?
Sorry! That is one of my favorite songs and I kind of have an obsession with music and lyrics and quote them often.
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oh ok i get it now, no worries! :) :hug:
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oh ok i get it now, no worries! :) :hug:
It's a great song, let's dance!
:notes: :dance: :happydance: :soph: :happydance: :dance: :notes:
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am i the only one here who gets arrested for stuff ive actually done!? :/
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Holy crap! On my way home from work, some bitch pulls out from the light we were stopped at and all of sudden slows down and almost stops, even though the speed limit is 45 mph and turns to 55 mph in less than 100 feet. I was several car lengths behind her when she started to slow down. Naturally I got closer to her as she slowed and then she started to pump her brakes in front of me real hard. At this point I am about 10 feet behind her and she finally slides into the left turn lane. Not: She did not use a proper turn signal, giving no indication as to what her intent was. As I then accelerated past her, she screams out, "Fuck you, asshole!"
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME??!!??!!??
I just proceeded on even though two thoughts were prevalent in my head. One was to pull over and punch her in the face. But I am a pacifist and would never hit someone else. The other thought was to politely pull over, turn the recorder on on my iPhone, and get her to go on to a tirade of profanity and call the cops and have her arrested.
WHAT IS FUCKING WRONG WITH PEOPLE??!!??!!??
I have a Velcro mount for a camera on my dash for these things I just push a button and there is the evidence just opps hit her then turn in the tape
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am i the only one here who gets arrested for stuff ive actually done!? :/
holy shit nigger just what have you done?
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am i the only one here who gets arrested for stuff ive actually done!? :/
holy shit nigger just what have you done?
you know, smoking weed, running from the cops
the usual shit
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am i the only one here who gets arrested for stuff ive actually done!? :/
Probably not.
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I wonder what ever happened with this. :dunno:
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:dunno:
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Read through this for the first time, and it all seems resolved.
Can't believe this shit happened in the US actually.
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Read through this for the first time, and it all seems resolved.
Can't believe this shit happened in the US actually.
You're telling me. I have a criminal record now.
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Read through this for the first time, and it all seems resolved.
Can't believe this shit happened in the US actually.
You're telling me. I have a criminal record now.
That is no good. It could be worse though, could have happened to me. That would have been worse
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Read through this for the first time, and it all seems resolved.
Can't believe this shit happened in the US actually.
You're telling me. I have a criminal record now.
Your misdemeanor make you look like a badass. :zoinks:
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It's been 8 years. As long as you have no more arrests, you may be able to have it expunged.