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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Scrapheap on May 12, 2010, 09:11:27 PM
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As I continue to work on my Anarcho-Syndicalist Libertarian philosopy, I rembered one of the things that I liked about life on a military base. We always had "Hobby Shops" usually automotive and woodworking. At the auto hobby shop, you could rent out a typical auto repair stall complete with a hoist and compressed air hook ups. There was even access to 4 wheel alignment machines, Exhaust gas analyzers and other diagnostic equipment. They had everything there you needed to do almost any kind of car work, including engine rebuilding. The wood hobby shop had a couple of table saws, a planer, a jointer, a table mounted router and a couple of drill presses. You could build your own furniture there if you wanted.
Now take this idea and expand it a bit. Throw in a Machine shop, sheet metal shop, and a few other "hobby shops" and you could have a largely self-sufficient community where people, instead of having to buy things they need, can make or repair them themselves. This would make the average person much less dependent on corporations and keep the ability to live a comfortable, high-tech lifestyle within a community. These could also be community education centers where all the different trades are taught localy, so there's always a good talent pool for any given profession. This could also be incorporated with "green" technology and other "new economy" ideas.
OK, here comes the part where you tell me that I'm just smoking cheap crack cocaine. :stoned: ::)
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Problems to overcome:
Skills need time to be learned. If I need my car A/C fixed I can't afford to spend 3 weeks learning how to fix it. Also I may never need that skill again.
Some repairs don't lend themselves to being brought to a workshop - refrigerators, washers & dryers, central air & heat for example.
Sometimes it's cheaper to pay someone to repair something if your hourly earnings are high enough. I can't see a lawyer adjusting the headlights on his car when he can earn in the hiigh 3 firgures in the same amount of time and only pay $30 to have them adjusted.
You've focused on "masculine" skills. Both sexes should have access to sewing machines and be taught skills such as mending, knitting (socks) and sewing.
What's the insurance cost on this? Who will cover the damages from poor repairs - the brakes that fail because of a mistake made in the repair? The washing machine that catches fire?
End of a poor post it's after midnight and I'm off to dream about lovely things.
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My dad can make most devices in his garage. He can repair almost anything on anything with an engine in it. He also built most of the house himself.
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I would like to learn to do practical stuff, like fixing A/C units and basic auto repair. I used to be fairly handy with certain tools (soldering irons, pliers, screwdrivers, etc.) but my skills have atrophied due to lack of use.
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I'm good at fireworky and I'm an autodidact. :viking:
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My dad was great with tools and explosives. When he was in high school he made a Tesla coil and a thermite bomb. He wasn't trying to blow up the school; he was just curious. For the same reason, he and some friends took a tank of ether from the school lab and tried some. They soaked paper towels iwith the ether but it evaporated so quickly that they didn't get high.
Mind you, this was 1939. VERY different times.
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When my dad was a kid, some old geezer cut up his and his mates' football for no reason, so they made a bomb and put in the geezer's mailbox, which was outside the door of his flat. The box was completely wiped out and all the staircase windows blew out.
I think they got away with paying the windows and the mailbox. The geezer got the shock of his life.
Today the security police would have come if you blew up a bomb in a house in the middle of a city.
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I think it;s a good idea and it could be expanded to many things like computers , electronics and as the previous poster suggested some less guy things. It would teach people a lot of independence. The thing is lots of people would probably never go. Many don't seem to want to do things like this anymore :-\ I am amazed what I find at estate sales the tools, books, and partial projects people started in the 1950's people fixed so much more themselves back then. There still are a lot of people who do but it seems to be declining but they are there. The trick would be finding them and having it in a place they could all go. I already have a sort of lending library of tools and such people I know borrow all the time. Another thing would be money the insurance alone would be astronomical in these sue happy days.
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I might not go, simply because I am a bit :dunce: in certain areas
and wouldn't trust myself to learn the skills without breaking things in the process!
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I learned how to make fireworks, and I invented an improvised black powder press. :zoinks:
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Most of the things I do are all self taught also. You don't start with grand projects just simple ones to learn the basics.
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So you're basically saying you want to live like the Amish?
I see some problems with this though.
- Certain parts (ie. electrical equipment) cannot be made by hand, or if it can needs expensive machinery and clean rooms. You'll have to buy a lot from the BIG BAD CORPORATIONS and thus destroy the whole point of your semi-Amish lifestyle. If you want hi-tech, then this to me is sadly the only way. You cannot make DNS servers to allow internet access without bothering those bigwigs you hate so much, for example.
- What happens if certain machinery etc. breaks down? I highly doubt they can be fixed on their own, especially with such small and complex electrical equipment inside. The parts for such machinery are sourced from factories pretty much all over the world.
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So you're basically saying you want to live like the Amish?
I see some problems with this though.
- Certain parts (ie. electrical equipment) cannot be made by hand, or if it can needs expensive machinery and clean rooms. You'll have to buy a lot from the BIG BAD CORPORATIONS and thus destroy the whole point of your semi-Amish lifestyle. If you want hi-tech, then this to me is sadly the only way. You cannot make DNS servers to allow internet access without bothering those bigwigs you hate so much, for example.
- What happens if certain machinery etc. breaks down? I highly doubt they can be fixed on their own, especially with such small and complex electrical equipment inside. The parts for such machinery are sourced from factories pretty much all over the world.
I would not say the Amish but nobody fixes or makes things themselves today. Sure there are things you have to buy but there are many you don't and it's a hobby shop not meant to replace stores or garages. It would not be every bodies type of thing anyway. I for one enjoy fixing things and working with my hands I find it relaxing. Many people I know don't know shit about fixing things and just throw the stuff away and buy a new one even for just a fuse which is a big waste
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I would love something like that, although I basically have all the tools I need. Alot of people aren't interested in learning stuff like that though. It's basically a disposable society anymore, something breaks, out to the curb it goes and they're off to the store to buy a new one.
So much waste. :zombiefuck:
Not that I'm really complaining a whole awful lot though, all the better for the curbside shoppers. :zoinks:
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I would love something like that, although I basically have all the tools I need. Alot of people aren't interested in learning stuff like that though. It's basically a disposable society anymore, something breaks, out to the curb it goes and they're off to the store to buy a new one.
So much waste. :zombiefuck:
Not that I'm really complaining a whole awful lot though, all the better for the curbside shoppers. :zoinks:
Thought of you today when I saw about a dozen vacuums out in the piles I already have my fill of them :laugh:
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It would be an ideal setup for me because I could go in @ anytime of day or night, I wouldn't have to adhere to a class schedule, and the learning method would be trial and error, which I prefer. Plus I just plain dig working with tools, esp. if well-made and -maintained.
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So you're basically saying you want to live like the Amish?
I see some problems with this though.
- Certain parts (ie. electrical equipment) cannot be made by hand, or if it can needs expensive machinery and clean rooms. You'll have to buy a lot from the BIG BAD CORPORATIONS and thus destroy the whole point of your semi-Amish lifestyle. If you want hi-tech, then this to me is sadly the only way. You cannot make DNS servers to allow internet access without bothering those bigwigs you hate so much, for example.
- What happens if certain machinery etc. breaks down? I highly doubt they can be fixed on their own, especially with such small and complex electrical equipment inside. The parts for such machinery are sourced from factories pretty much all over the world.
I would not say the Amish but nobody fixes or makes things themselves today. Sure there are things you have to buy but there are many you don't and it's a hobby shop not meant to replace stores or garages. It would not be every bodies type of thing anyway. I for one enjoy fixing things and working with my hands I find it relaxing. Many people I know don't know shit about fixing things and just throw the stuff away and buy a new one even for just a fuse which is a big waste
I can change a lightbulb AND I can tighten a loose screw with a butter knife! :soph:
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CBD - could you tighten randytheglowworm up? I think he's got a lot of loose screws, and nuts and bolts, and...
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CBD - could you tighten randytheglowworm up? I think he's got a lot of loose screws, and nuts and bolts, and...
Still busy working on my own loose screws! :2thumbsup:
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Problems to overcome:
Skills need time to be learned. If I need my car A/C fixed I can't afford to spend 3 weeks learning how to fix it. Also I may never need that skill again.
Obviously, people would either already have to know what they're doing, or take the appropriate classes.
Some repairs don't lend themselves to being brought to a workshop - refrigerators, washers & dryers, central air & heat for example.
You'd be suprised. Some of those things are easier to fix than you realize.
Sometimes it's cheaper to pay someone to repair something if your hourly earnings are high enough. I can't see a lawyer adjusting the headlights on his car when he can earn in the hiigh 3 firgures in the same amount of time and only pay $30 to have them adjusted.
Then the lawyer can pay someone else to do ther work for him at the hobby shop.
You've focused on "masculine" skills. Both sexes should have access to sewing machines and be taught skills such as mending, knitting (socks) and sewing.
By all means, things like that should be included too.
What's the insurance cost on this? Who will cover the damages from poor repairs - the brakes that fail because of a mistake made in the repair? The washing machine that catches fire?
That's perhaps the biggest stumbling block I can think of. I wish there was an easy solution. Perhaps waivers of some kind??
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My dad can make most devices in his garage. He can repair almost anything on anything with an engine in it. He also built most of the house himself.
My ideal, is to create comminities of people more like your dad. :thumbup:
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I think it;s a good idea and it could be expanded to many things like computers , electronics and as the previous poster suggested some less guy things. It would teach people a lot of independence. The thing is lots of people would probably never go. Many don't seem to want to do things like this anymore :-\ I am amazed what I find at estate sales the tools, books, and partial projects people started in the 1950's people fixed so much more themselves back then. There still are a lot of people who do but it seems to be declining but they are there. The trick would be finding them and having it in a place they could all go.
Thats part of the problem were fighting. A alzy consumerist society that knows the cost of everything, but the value of nothing.
Another thing would be money the insurance alone would be astronomical in these sue happy days.
Yeah, that's a bit of a problem. The only solution I can think of is some kind of legal waiver.
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I see some problems with this though.
- Certain parts (ie. electrical equipment) cannot be made by hand, or if it can needs expensive machinery and clean rooms. You'll have to buy a lot from the BIG BAD CORPORATIONS and thus destroy the whole point of your semi-Amish lifestyle. If you want hi-tech, then this to me is sadly the only way. You cannot make DNS servers to allow internet access without bothering those bigwigs you hate so much, for example.
Yes, this hobby shop idea would do nothing to address high-tech corporations. I think the best way to deal with them is to push for stricter corporate laws, while passing laws to encourage the creation of manufacturing syndicates. Basically, the workers would take over ownership of the corporations and they would be run in a more equitable/democratic fashion.
- What happens if certain machinery etc. breaks down? I highly doubt they can be fixed on their own, especially with such small and complex electrical equipment inside. The parts for such machinery are sourced from factories pretty much all over the world.
I have other ideas to address this. These complex electronics could be made to be more repairable, and generic so that they could be sourced mrom many suppliers.
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Many people I know don't know shit about fixing things and just throw the stuff away and buy a new one even for just a fuse which is a big waste
That's a big problem of our modern culture. Consumerist mentality leads to dependence on corporations and governments.
What I'm envisioning here is a world in which the average person has power over his posessions. In the case of most people, their possesions have power over them.
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I lived in a town, long time ago, where one of the bicycle shops offered space for clients to tinker on their own bicycles using the materials of the shop. They were not expensive, you got access to all the tools for free. And if you got stuck, they would help out for a very reasonable fee. Lots of the parts you could need they had in a second hand version in store too.
It just was fun to go there and work on a bicycle. They would still be able to make enough money to live from. And, it was the best advertising a shop could get. If I remember well some talented tinkerers found a job there too.
Ahhh, that town, only place in my life that ever managed to get me 'homesick'.
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I've been thinking about an idea to build a "DIY shop". The idea is to get a huge warehouse-style building real close to a large metropolitan city and fill it with every type of shop equipment you can find. I'm thinking a complete automotive shop, a complete wood shop with industrial equipment, a complete metalworking shop, etc. The idea would be to charge people to go in and do their own work on whatever they want. Training classes could be held and for safety (and insurance) there could be a policy that for each power tool, you need to take the training class to be able to use it (both to teach how to use it properly, and to make sure everybody actually knows what they're doing.
I've been to video arcades where you buy a card and swipe it in all the machines and the credits are automatically deducted from the card. This same method could be used where you have a card that you pay for, and that card won't let you turn on certain machines until you've proven that you can use them safely.
Basically the idea is that people in the city can have access to tools and equipment that they can't have in their apartments.
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As I continue to work on my Anarcho-Syndicalist Libertarian philosopy, I rembered one of the things that I liked about life on a military base. We always had "Hobby Shops" usually automotive and woodworking. At the auto hobby shop, you could rent out a typical auto repair stall complete with a hoist and compressed air hook ups. There was even access to 4 wheel alignment machines, Exhaust gas analyzers and other diagnostic equipment. They had everything there you needed to do almost any kind of car work, including engine rebuilding. The wood hobby shop had a couple of table saws, a planer, a jointer, a table mounted router and a couple of drill presses. You could build your own furniture there if you wanted.
Now take this idea and expand it a bit. Throw in a Machine shop, sheet metal shop, and a few other "hobby shops" and you could have a largely self-sufficient community where people, instead of having to buy things they need, can make or repair them themselves. This would make the average person much less dependent on corporations and keep the ability to live a comfortable, high-tech lifestyle within a community. These could also be community education centers where all the different trades are taught localy, so there's always a good talent pool for any given profession. This could also be incorporated with "green" technology and other "new economy" ideas.
OK, here comes the part where you tell me that I'm just smoking cheap crack cocaine. :stoned: ::)
You are, but it's still a good idea.
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I've been thinking about an idea to build a "DIY shop". The idea is to get a huge warehouse-style building real close to a large metropolitan city and fill it with every type of shop equipment you can find. I'm thinking a complete automotive shop, a complete wood shop with industrial equipment, a complete metalworking shop, etc. The idea would be to charge people to go in and do their own work on whatever they want. Training classes could be held and for safety (and insurance) there could be a policy that for each power tool, you need to take the training class to be able to use it (both to teach how to use it properly, and to make sure everybody actually knows what they're doing.
I've been to video arcades where you buy a card and swipe it in all the machines and the credits are automatically deducted from the card. This same method could be used where you have a card that you pay for, and that card won't let you turn on certain machines until you've proven that you can use them safely.
Basically the idea is that people in the city can have access to tools and equipment that they can't have in their apartments.
I have seen something similar for artists on some show but I can't remember where it was :-\ They had welders and a wood shop and some other things too. I like the idea and could have used a Jointer but made it by with a power plane
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As I continue to work on my Anarcho-Syndicalist Libertarian philosopy, I rembered one of the things that I liked about life on a military base. We always had "Hobby Shops" usually automotive and woodworking. At the auto hobby shop, you could rent out a typical auto repair stall complete with a hoist and compressed air hook ups. There was even access to 4 wheel alignment machines, Exhaust gas analyzers and other diagnostic equipment. They had everything there you needed to do almost any kind of car work, including engine rebuilding. The wood hobby shop had a couple of table saws, a planer, a jointer, a table mounted router and a couple of drill presses. You could build your own furniture there if you wanted.
Now take this idea and expand it a bit. Throw in a Machine shop, sheet metal shop, and a few other "hobby shops" and you could have a largely self-sufficient community where people, instead of having to buy things they need, can make or repair them themselves. This would make the average person much less dependent on corporations and keep the ability to live a comfortable, high-tech lifestyle within a community. These could also be community education centers where all the different trades are taught localy, so there's always a good talent pool for any given profession. This could also be incorporated with "green" technology and other "new economy" ideas.
OK, here comes the part where you tell me that I'm just smoking cheap crack cocaine. :stoned: ::)
I think it's a great idea. My husband built a desk at the woodworking shop that was on the base where he worked.
I think that you're right that some sort of waiver would need to be signed and maybe there could be classes in the safe use of the tools if people don't already know how to use them.
I could teach a sewing class.
I don't think it would be like the Amish since we would be using power tools.
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As I continue to work on my Anarcho-Syndicalist Libertarian philosopy, I rembered one of the things that I liked about life on a military base. We always had "Hobby Shops" usually automotive and woodworking. At the auto hobby shop, you could rent out a typical auto repair stall complete with a hoist and compressed air hook ups. There was even access to 4 wheel alignment machines, Exhaust gas analyzers and other diagnostic equipment. They had everything there you needed to do almost any kind of car work, including engine rebuilding. The wood hobby shop had a couple of table saws, a planer, a jointer, a table mounted router and a couple of drill presses. You could build your own furniture there if you wanted.
Now take this idea and expand it a bit. Throw in a Machine shop, sheet metal shop, and a few other "hobby shops" and you could have a largely self-sufficient community where people, instead of having to buy things they need, can make or repair them themselves. This would make the average person much less dependent on corporations and keep the ability to live a comfortable, high-tech lifestyle within a community. These could also be community education centers where all the different trades are taught localy, so there's always a good talent pool for any given profession. This could also be incorporated with "green" technology and other "new economy" ideas.
OK, here comes the part where you tell me that I'm just smoking cheap crack cocaine. :stoned: ::)
I think it's a great idea. My husband built a desk at the woodworking shop that was on the base where he worked.
I think that you're right that some sort of waiver would need to be signed and maybe there could be classes in the safe use of the tools if people don't already know how to use them.
I could teach a sewing class.
I don't think it would be like the Amish since we would be using power tools.
I would start simple, with NON-power tools! :poke:
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My family must really think I enjoy fixing their shit, because they normally bring it to me. I end up borrowing tools from my dad or grandfather to get the job done though.
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A form of this idea exists already in the Khyber Pass region between Afghanistan and Pakistan. They make what are known as Khyber Pass Copy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khyber_Pass_Copy) guns. I'd love to make AK's here in California just to stick it to the Sacramento politicians!!! :arrr::arrr::arrr:
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A form of this idea exists already in the Khyber Pass region between Afghanistan and Pakistan. They make what are known as Khyber Pass Copy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khyber_Pass_Copy) guns. I'd love to make AK's here in California just to stick it to the Sacramento politicians!!! :arrr::arrr::arrr:
I read about them in an article some time ago very interesting
My family must really think I enjoy fixing their shit, because they normally bring it to me. I end up borrowing tools from my dad or grandfather to get the job done though.
I do like fixing things and everyone we know brings stuff over and even at time just gives me the stuff
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A form of this idea exists already in the Khyber Pass region between Afghanistan and Pakistan. They make what are known as Khyber Pass Copy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khyber_Pass_Copy) guns. I'd love to make AK's here in California just to stick it to the Sacramento politicians!!! :arrr::arrr::arrr:
Killing politicians is :viking:
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My family must really think I enjoy fixing their shit, because they normally bring it to me. I end up borrowing tools from my dad or grandfather to get the job done though.
My dad and brother were like that. They could fix pretty much anything but they both had their own tools.
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My family must really think I enjoy fixing their shit, because they normally bring it to me. I end up borrowing tools from my dad or grandfather to get the job done though.
My dad and brother were like that. They could fix pretty much anything but they both had their own tools.
My dad has accumulated plenty of tools over the years, but he can hardly fix anything. He has been dependent on me for such things for the past 15 years or so. If something breaks or he needs something assembled, he asks me to do it (instead of calling someone else). Before that, my mother problem called my grandfather to fix stuff, because my father is inept as far as working with his hands goes. When he does attempt to make a repair he often ends up breaking shit to the point that it makes it more difficult for me or someone else to fix.
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My family must really think I enjoy fixing their shit, because they normally bring it to me. I end up borrowing tools from my dad or grandfather to get the job done though.
My dad and brother were like that. They could fix pretty much anything but they both had their own tools.
My dad has accumulated plenty of tools over the years, but he can hardly fix anything. He has been dependent on me for such things for the past 15 years or so. If something breaks or he needs something assembled, he asks me to do it (instead of calling someone else). Before that, my mother problem called my grandfather to fix stuff, because my father is inept as far as working with his hands goes. When he does attempt to make a repair he often ends up breaking shit to the point that it makes it more difficult for me or someone else to fix.
If your dad is so bad at fixing things, did your grandfather teach you?
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My family must really think I enjoy fixing their shit, because they normally bring it to me. I end up borrowing tools from my dad or grandfather to get the job done though.
My dad and brother were like that. They could fix pretty much anything but they both had their own tools.
My dad has accumulated plenty of tools over the years, but he can hardly fix anything. He has been dependent on me for such things for the past 15 years or so. If something breaks or he needs something assembled, he asks me to do it (instead of calling someone else). Before that, my mother problem called my grandfather to fix stuff, because my father is inept as far as working with his hands goes. When he does attempt to make a repair he often ends up breaking shit to the point that it makes it more difficult for me or someone else to fix.
Oy, your dad sounds like me. I mean well, but I break stuff. :emb:
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My family must really think I enjoy fixing their shit, because they normally bring it to me. I end up borrowing tools from my dad or grandfather to get the job done though.
My dad and brother were like that. They could fix pretty much anything but they both had their own tools.
My dad has accumulated plenty of tools over the years, but he can hardly fix anything. He has been dependent on me for such things for the past 15 years or so. If something breaks or he needs something assembled, he asks me to do it (instead of calling someone else). Before that, my mother problem called my grandfather to fix stuff, because my father is inept as far as working with his hands goes. When he does attempt to make a repair he often ends up breaking shit to the point that it makes it more difficult for me or someone else to fix.
If your dad is so bad at fixing things, did your grandfather teach you?
Yes, every time my dad fucked something up my grandfather would get called in by my mother to fix it. I sat there watching my grandfather usually, and so did my dad. I respect my grandfather more than any human being I know. He is awesome, and I would be really proud of myself if I ended up being as great a person as him one day. Now if my grandfather needs help putting something together or moving stuff, he calls me. I think he can still handle it himself sometimes, it is just that he likes having me there with him. All of his friends are dead (including his older brother who I am named after), so I should try to spend more time with him.
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One of the few bright spots in my life recently is that I fixed my printer/scanner/copier. I don't use it as a printer anymore, but I have family documents that need to be scanned and didn't have the $ to take it to a shop. So I didn't pay anything and got a lot of satisfaction from fixing it. :thumbup:
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somebody just planted a community garden in my neighbourhood but i doubt anyone will eat any vegtables out of it. would you? most community anything is cheap and tastes like shit just buy your vegtables and your furniture already
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I know of a bunch of Anarchists near by who get together to share commonly sought-after skills; those which are usually the domain of white hetero men.
The skills are taught specifically to those who aren't.
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somebody just planted a community garden in my neighbourhood but i doubt anyone will eat any vegtables out of it. would you? most community anything is cheap and tastes like shit just buy your vegtables and your furniture already
I have to say, I much prefer garden tomatoes to the store-bought ones. :chin:
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I like the idea of fucking with tools and materials that I haven't used before.
I might not go, simply because I am a bit :dunce: in certain areas
and wouldn't trust myself to learn the skills without breaking things in the process!
Breaking shit can be a valuable part of the learning process.
Killing politicians is :viking:
:agreed:
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I would start simple, with NON-power tools! :poke:
Say you're working on a big project, like cabinetry or something, there's nothing simple about only using hand tools. Say you want to cut a perfectly straight line, you can slice a sheet of plywood in about 15 seconds on a table saw, but using a hand saw will take a few minutes and you have to be able to keep it perfectly on the line.
Try driving a screw into wood, if you use a screw driver, it will take a lot longer, and you risk splitting the wood as well as stripping the head of the screw. Even self-tapping screws can still split the wood if you're using a regular screw driver. But if you use a power drill to pre-tap the hole, then swap the drill bit out with a screwdriver bit, you can do 5 minutes worth of work in less than a minute and it will come out better. Even if you don't pre-drill the hole, you can still set the torque setting on the drill to avoid the risk of overtightening.
Try cutting a piece of sheet metal with a hack saw and tell me that's simpler than using a plasma cutter.
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I would start simple, with NON-power tools! :poke:
Say you're working on a big project, like cabinetry or something, there's nothing simple about only using hand tools. Say you want to cut a perfectly straight line, you can slice a sheet of plywood in about 15 seconds on a table saw, but using a hand saw will take a few minutes and you have to be able to keep it perfectly on the line.
Try driving a screw into wood, if you use a screw driver, it will take a lot longer, and you risk splitting the wood as well as stripping the head of the screw. Even self-tapping screws can still split the wood if you're using a regular screw driver. But if you use a power drill to pre-tap the hole, then swap the drill bit out with a screwdriver bit, you can do 5 minutes worth of work in less than a minute and it will come out better. Even if you don't pre-drill the hole, you can still set the torque setting on the drill to avoid the risk of overtightening.
Try cutting a piece of sheet metal with a hack saw and tell me that's simpler than using a plasma cutter.
I can't tell you anything, because I don't know anything about tools, obviously I am even more ignorant than I realized.
I just would feel safer, being a clumsy nOOb, using things that didn't involve electricity and rapidly whirring blades! :o
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Non powered hand tools must be much sharper to work also so even though they are not powered you can really cut yourself
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Non powered hand tools must be much sharper to work also so even though they are not powered you can really cut yourself
In that case, I think I'll stay out of the community hobby shop altogether! It'll be better for everyone if I do! :2thumbsup:
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Non powered hand tools must be much sharper to work also so even though they are not powered you can really cut yourself
In that case, I think I'll stay out of the community hobby shop altogether! It'll be better for everyone if I do! :2thumbsup:
You can be in the community kitchen then.
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Non powered hand tools must be much sharper to work also so even though they are not powered you can really cut yourself
In that case, I think I'll stay out of the community hobby shop altogether! It'll be better for everyone if I do! :2thumbsup:
You can be in the community kitchen then.
Of course! I'll be peeling, chopping, steaming things in the big steamer, and making sure everything is clean and sanitary! :idea:
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Non powered hand tools must be much sharper to work also so even though they are not powered you can really cut yourself
In that case, I think I'll stay out of the community hobby shop altogether! It'll be better for everyone if I do! :2thumbsup:
You can be in the community kitchen then.
Of course! I'll be peeling, chopping, steaming things in the big steamer, and making sure everything is clean and sanitary! :idea:
As if that is a harmless place. (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,11818.0.html) :zombiefuck:
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Non powered hand tools must be much sharper to work also so even though they are not powered you can really cut yourself
In that case, I think I'll stay out of the community hobby shop altogether! It'll be better for everyone if I do! :2thumbsup:
You can be in the community kitchen then.
Of course! I'll be peeling, chopping, steaming things in the big steamer, and making sure everything is clean and sanitary! :idea:
As if that is a harmless place. (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,11818.0.html) :zombiefuck:
True, but I've worked in one for 22 years, so at least I sort of know how to keep myself safe! :laugh:
For one thing, don't try to do too many things in a kitchen at one time! :multitask:
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YESSSS!!!! This is the topic I was digging for!!!
As it turns out, some people here in Bend had the same idea and I might get involved with their organization.
http://www.diycave.com/
There's also 2 others doing this in town although I can't find their websites.
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Oooo that looks good. :orly:
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They have started with some of this sort of thing around here geared mostly toward artists. My nephew is taking a blacksmithing class at an art cooperative but it's almost an hours drive from where I live as are the few other places I have heard about.
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In fairness, CBC, while its true that hand tools need to be kept nice and sharp, to be easier to use, a cut from a hand saw might leave you with a scratched or nicked hand,
Same thing with an industrial bandsaw like my dad's old one he used to have, slipping could easily have taken the hand OFF, at least with that fucker. No guards or anything, to
allow for hand-guided free and accurate cutting, used it a fair few times as a kid when he still had the workshop, and believe you me it wouldn't 'scratch or nick' you had one fucked up. I used it. and his planer (this was a big, heavy floor mounted job, nearly as big as a small car, like a smartcar or mini, and fast, powerful as all hell) to make a longbow
once, starting from a big, thick, long plank. That bandsaw went through about 5 inch thick planks as though holding a heated kitchen knife to soft butter, just slides right through in moments. And quite capable of taking hands off if someone DID slip. I never did, I was always really careful with it. The one concession to safety was a small plastic
shield you could flip down to stop bits of sawdust spraying back up at the user's face. Took maybe 1-2 minutes to slice DOWN through, lengthways, that big plank, which was almost as, or as tall as I am, that damn thing was a BEAST, power-wise.
Electronics don't always need a cleanroom, my old man manages perfectly fine with the shed for making PCBs starting from bare boards, drilling the tiny holes as needs be with a set of nigh hair-fine microdrills in a bench drillpress. Even a separate cleaner room to the shed full of his oscilloscopes, soldering stations, racks and racks of electrical components. Stuff like getting my stirplate (hotplate with a magnetic part that rotates internally allowing one to use a teflon-coated magnetic bar in one's lab glass and stir things internally without ever needing to open your work to the atmosphere, other of course than to load the flasks etc in the first place.) fixed when it broke down isn't anything more than trivial, theres a WWII or older era metal lathe, we each have our own bench grinder, the mounted type with a pair of wheels, one rougher one finer mounted one each side, bench-mounted routers, blowtorches, more powerful torches fed by big gas tanks, you name it its probably somewhere in there and if it isn't, its in the my own lab, which of course has a very different focus and set of hardware, things like dessicators, vac pump (a birthday gift from my dad, he got me a new rotary vane pump for my lab:))
an autoclave, glovebox etc for working with things that REALLY don't ever need to go near a human you don't want hurt, like ME:P and all my glass, benchtop to work at, torches, hotplates and some shelves and cupboards for all my reagents to be kept on and in.
All things considered, between our two personal grottoes of technophilia there isn't all THAT much we can't do. Its rocks being able to just pop to one or the other should one need anything from metal parts making on the lathe, to an angle grinder, blowtorch or a big drum of acid or jug of solvents of all shapes, sizes and varieties. Not perfect, but
between us both, we ARE pretty well kitted out for making and cooking things. Well, he isn't a chemist so that side gets left to me, but if ever he did need something like that I'd either have it it or be able to summon some up from those who supply my...well...supplies, then its not going to get in the way of progress and getting whatever it might be made.
I like the idea of community hobby shops. add some facilities like vac manifolds and pumps, some good set of glass, provide reagents at a fair price, acting as an intemediary people could request things and order things through they wished to use, some stuff like electrophoresis chambers, incubators, fermentation tanks and what have ye' for those who want to do chemistry, bio, physics, or genetics work and that would be totally kick arse. Of course users would have to pay for the consumables, but having the glassware and other hardware there, it could be free to use after its put there.
And LOL about blowing that guy's mailbox up and windows out.
Thermite is fun too, although useful as well, I find it a very expedient way to demand elemental metals from oxides that don't otherwise wish to part with them, so to speak, if its something whereby a compound is available to me, yet the element itself, may not be, or which is difficult to process or expensive to buy. Just add magnesium or aluminium dust and stick a bit of Mg or lithium foil in the top, light the end and away it goes. I remember the time at my old home of doing a lead oxide based thermite for the heck of it, on the garden path. I'd not be surprised in the least if that (now set solid of course) oozing puddle of molten lead never did get removed, and remained there.
Here's a tip for you: ever tried copper oxide thermite? THAT is lively stuff, it actually explodes with a fair bit of violence, rather than burns.
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I like the idea of community hobby shops. add some facilities like vac manifolds and pumps, some good set of glass, provide reagents at a fair price, acting as an intemediary people could request things and order things through they wished to use, some stuff like electrophoresis chambers, incubators, fermentation tanks and what have ye' for those who want to do chemistry, bio, physics, or genetics work and that would be totally kick arse. Of course users would have to pay for the consumables, but having the glassware and other hardware there, it could be free to use after its put there.
Here in central Oregon there are very strong "buy local" cultures that exist and the DIY cave and places like that fit in very well with the attitude. There's also the leftover pioneer cultures of self-reliance and local communities helping one another out. Those cultures are being somewhat diluted with the large influx of former Californians like me but in my case I have the same attitudes as the local culture so I fit in fairly well here.
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Sadly I've never seen anything like that here. Would be great if there was something of that kind, where equipment could be communally available for use on-site, of course the likes of machine shops, but scientific kit too, that could maybe allowfor the availability of (or even building by, and for the community of users), of the kind of equipment that would otherwise be really difficult for an individual tech-head to afford, like sensitive analytical chemistry and genetics equipment (mainly thinking the likes of gas chromatograph/mass spec, UV-vis, IR spectrophotometers (although the latter two aren't out of the realms of being reasonable in price enough that one can be picked up on ebay, been trying to save a little money together so I can afford a UV spec of my own for my ergot project especially, assuming I can manage to mutate my wildtypes to a decent productive strain or group of strains, and keep 'em stable (ergot tends after so many subcultures and fermentation runs to run to seed, figuratively speaking (nowt to do with condiation whatsoever, I mean, it goes senescent, and can degenerate, to a point where alkaloid yield drops like a stone; although on another forum I'm a member of, there are quite a few working on this, I'm pleased to say) The fungi produce, if one is persistent and not a little bit fortunate, enough to isolate a cell line thats productive the end result is a complicated mixture of lysergic acid derivatives of peptidic nature, clavines, which are lysergic acid metabolic precursors produced as intermediate stages between the initial formation of dimethylallyltryptophan, the beginning building block to lysergic acid (or in the case of Claviceps paspali, paspalic acid, which spontaneously isomerises to lysergic acid, or if it doesn't do so quickly and sufficiently enough it can easily be made to occur once one has paspalic acid itself) and the ergopeptides, ergopeptines and ergopeptams etc, as well as in some species of ergot, and host-dependent sometimes, then various other mycotoxins such as the loline alkaloids, lolitrems, peramine, and various other, none-useful metabolites that need both careful identification,then separation, so one can then hydrolyse the lysergic acid precursors without all the garbage, and the ergolines are well known for fluorescence at varying UV excitation wavelengths, just the thing.
But for some of the really advanced analytical equipment, like mass spectrometers, induction-coupled plasma/M-S (used for isotope identification), HPLC (high pressure liquid chromatography, used in place of GCs, when dealing with either heat-sensitive or nonvolatile analytes, so they are analyzed in liquid form, as a solution in a suitable solvent or solvent mixture as the mobile phase) machines, its the kind of kit that really would break the bank all too easily. Or machinery of that nature that if it could be built, would nevertheless be too BIG, bulky and unwieldy to for most individual's labs at home, stuff like an electron microscope of one sort or another, a communal facility could result in aside from simply space to put things, but communal maintainance could allow for the availability of more labor and/or upkeep intensive kit.
Would have to keep the towelheads away from any project of that nature of course, to discourage every tom, dick and allah from switching from growing E.coli to anthrax, Y.pestis
or worse yet, a nidus of pestilent little dune coon spawn in the community fermentation vats.