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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Pyraxis on July 01, 2013, 06:05:48 PM
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Source (http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/06/police-taser-naked-autistic-11-year-old-found-wandering-highway-2-2698138.html)
In Oregon, police found a naked and very confused 11-year-old girl wandering on the highway along the I-5 corridor. Instead of offering her a ride home, they decided to taser her.
The young girl was autistic.
Adam Bednar, a cab driver, saw the naked girl on Sunday morning. When he drove up to the seemingly confused girl, she gave him a smile, indicating that she was not fully aware of her surroundings or what she was doing.
Bednar said, “I thought she was drugged. I thought she was on bath salts, too much meth, something.”
The cab driver called the police, as he drove alongside her.
The trooper who showed up on the scene told the girl to stop walking. After she didn’t respond, he threatened to taser her twice. Two little red dots appeared on the small girl’s back, and then metal barbs.
“She seized up, then she just fell face first on the ground. Just face first on the ground,” said Bednar.
The Oregon State Police defended the officer’s decision to taser the 11-year-old, saying it was necessary to prevent her from wandering further and “putting herself in danger.”
Bednar, on the other hand, says this explanation isn’t good enough. “She wasn’t going off the road, she was set on walking down the freeway,” he said. “And I think that, had [the trooper] waited for back up, they could have gotten her without the Taser.”
The girl’s father says the local news reportage also wasn’t fair. His daughter was referred to as a “young woman,” a “woman,” and a “juvenile.” The report refused to give her age.
The father said, “They keep calling her a ‘woman’ …she is 11 years old. Since when is an 11-year-old kid with the mind of a 3-year-old a ‘woman’? She is very gentle and non combative. If the police cannot apprehend a child who is cooperative without Tasing then what would be the alternative? Shooting her?”
This entire situation is an absurd case of a police power-grab. Tasers are only to be used in emergency situations, as a last resort before lethal force.
The local media coverage of the events also illuminates a problematic relationship between media and police. There was no attempt to question the trooper’s decision to taser the 11-year-old with autism. Instead, they called the 11-year-old a “woman,” and presented their story to the public as if it were unbiased and fair.
Another news report (http://www.kdrv.com/taser-used-on-naked-i-5-wanderer/)
So sick of this shit.
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Source (http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/06/police-taser-naked-autistic-11-year-old-found-wandering-highway-2-2698138.html)
In Oregon, police found a naked and very confused 11-year-old girl wandering on the highway along the I-5 corridor. Instead of offering her a ride home, they decided to taser her.
The young girl was autistic.
Adam Bednar, a cab driver, saw the naked girl on Sunday morning. When he drove up to the seemingly confused girl, she gave him a smile, indicating that she was not fully aware of her surroundings or what she was doing.
Bednar said, “I thought she was drugged. I thought she was on bath salts, too much meth, something.”
The cab driver called the police, as he drove alongside her.
The trooper who showed up on the scene told the girl to stop walking. After she didn’t respond, he threatened to taser her twice. Two little red dots appeared on the small girl’s back, and then metal barbs.
“She seized up, then she just fell face first on the ground. Just face first on the ground,” said Bednar.
The Oregon State Police defended the officer’s decision to taser the 11-year-old, saying it was necessary to prevent her from wandering further and “putting herself in danger.”
Bednar, on the other hand, says this explanation isn’t good enough. “She wasn’t going off the road, she was set on walking down the freeway,” he said. “And I think that, had [the trooper] waited for back up, they could have gotten her without the Taser.”
The girl’s father says the local news reportage also wasn’t fair. His daughter was referred to as a “young woman,” a “woman,” and a “juvenile.” The report refused to give her age.
The father said, “They keep calling her a ‘woman’ …she is 11 years old. Since when is an 11-year-old kid with the mind of a 3-year-old a ‘woman’? She is very gentle and non combative. If the police cannot apprehend a child who is cooperative without Tasing then what would be the alternative? Shooting her?”
This entire situation is an absurd case of a police power-grab. Tasers are only to be used in emergency situations, as a last resort before lethal force.
The local media coverage of the events also illuminates a problematic relationship between media and police. There was no attempt to question the trooper’s decision to taser the 11-year-old with autism. Instead, they called the 11-year-old a “woman,” and presented their story to the public as if it were unbiased and fair.
Another news report (http://www.kdrv.com/taser-used-on-naked-i-5-wanderer/)
So sick of this shit.
Dont understand why the officer didnt pick her up and put her in his car
Should have been easy to see that she wasnt armed
He could have put her in his car and given her a blanket or something
She is also lucky that a child molester didnt pick her up
shame on that officer
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I swear- they are even worse with those tasers. Just give them guns and let the statistics pile up on them so the corruption is blatantly obvious.
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Imagine if people just decided to lynch the cops. Imagine seeing them lying in big pools of their own blood. :angel:
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Couldn't agree more; lit. If a pig, an adult pig (even if only this on the physical growth side of things) If I had kids treated like that by pigs? fuckers better quit their job and look for a job in some tiny, secluded foreign monastery.
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Sickening.
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If the trooper doesn't think he did anything wrong, he should be happy to have his name released. :grrr:
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Okay, time for an unpopular stance.
We don't know how big or mature looking this girl was. Kids are getting bigger younger. It was late at night.
Wouldn't you assume that someone walking at night, nude could be dangerous? Quote from the rescuer, "Bednar said, “I thought she was drugged. I thought she was on bath salts, too much meth, something.” This had probably been communicated to the dispatcher. The officer was approaching the girl with that possibility in mind. It's probably a lot safer to handle someone who may be on drugs if you can avoid the possibility of a physical fight.
She was walking on a freeway. Yes, the taxi cab driver (did) or police officer could have driven beside her until other help arrived, but that in itself is dangerous. I don't remember the term for it, but drivers focus on the police vehicle and plow into it. Also, what happens if she makes a run for the woods or even into traffic? There may not be any traffic then, but what about it a minute or two? Would you like to be wrestling with a nude person on an interstate at night?
We don't know how long back-up would be in arriving to help out at the scene.
Tough, scary choice. At least she's alive.
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Cops should die, no matter what :thumbdn:
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It is a tough call, if the danger to her was imminent perhaps it was for the best but I have seen them close down I95 one of the busiest interstates in the country in the middle of the day because of a dog on the road
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Cops should die, no matter what :thumbdn:
I disagree with that, I am glad we have cops for protection against some things. I just don't like the taser-happy,
trigger-happy ones. I guess times and practices have changed. My brother's godfather was a career police officer
who never even drew his gun. Very scary to think tasering a confused wanderer is excused not because she
threatened the officer or became violent, but because she didn't respond when spoken to.
Full disclosure: About 6 weeks ago I too became lost while walking and ended up on the interstate. Apparently someone
reported me, because a police car pulled over next to me. The officer said something I didn't hear. I assumed he was telling me
to get off the interstate, and I agitatedly said OK and started to turn back to retrace my steps toward the city street I had left.
He said something like "No, wait a minute," and I did stop, and he told me to get in the car and he would drive me to where
I was going. He did so. He didn't want me getting hit by a car, that was all. But I am a heavyset middle-aged adult and I was
initially uncooperative due to embarrassment/agitation/not hearing what the officer said. My lack of common sense could have
registered, in his mind, as evidence of drug use, mental disturbance, or some other state that might have made me dangerous.
My point is, this officer handled the situation without tasering me. I will be watching for updates on this story, to see what the
Oregon trooper found so menacing about this girl. :(
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Okay, time for an unpopular stance.
We don't know how big or mature looking this girl was. Kids are getting bigger younger. It was late at night.
Wouldn't you assume that someone walking at night, nude could be dangerous? Quote from the rescuer, "Bednar said, “I thought she was drugged. I thought she was on bath salts, too much meth, something.” This had probably been communicated to the dispatcher. The officer was approaching the girl with that possibility in mind. It's probably a lot safer to handle someone who may be on drugs if you can avoid the possibility of a physical fight.
She was walking on a freeway. Yes, the taxi cab driver (did) or police officer could have driven beside her until other help arrived, but that in itself is dangerous. I don't remember the term for it, but drivers focus on the police vehicle and plow into it. Also, what happens if she makes a run for the woods or even into traffic? There may not be any traffic then, but what about it a minute or two? Would you like to be wrestling with a nude person on an interstate at night?
We don't know how long back-up would be in arriving to help out at the scene.
Tough, scary choice. At least she's alive.
I read somewhere (I'll look for it again if I need to) that it was at 4am and they closed off the traffic in both directions before approaching her.
Cops are trained to take down armed and practiced grown men. Even a mature 11-year-old is unlikely to be a serious physical threat.
No, I think the biggest threat in the cops' minds was likely lawsuit. Wrestling a naked and possibly drugged female child?
So I think they were protecting their own asses at the expense of the girl.
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I thiunk the cops were arseholes and behaved like arseholes and are backed in being the arseholes they are
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Aye............Very good point. If this pig truly has nothing to fear, then his name (and address) shouldnt be a problem at all, for public knowledge.
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Here is the official statement from the Oregon State Police.
Oregon State Police Statement Regarding June 16, 2013 Taser Use-Of-Force Incident on Interstate 5 near Ashland
June 21, 2013
On June 16, 2013 at approximately 4:15 a.m., OSP was dispatched to a report of a person walking naked along Interstate 5 north of Ashland. The lone trooper on duty in the area arrived on scene and saw an unidentified female walking in darkness southbound with her back to traffic on the fog line in an unlit area. Without backup available, the female trooper tried to get the female’s attention to get her to come to the car but was met with no verbal response or cooperation. When a passing motorist stopped at the scene, the female moved out into the traffic lanes and as the trooper followed she didn’t get any response or show of cooperation. As the situation continued to quickly unfold, the trooper used a Taser to keep the female from continuing to move into a position on the freeway, where others may suddently drive upon the scene with no reasonable expectation of pedestrians on the roadway, that would put her or others at risk.
After checking the female for any injury and finding none, the trooper placed the resistive female in the patrol car and took her to an area hospital. After arrival, the female continued to be unresponsive to questions and was resistant to medical staff’s help. Her behavior and physical development led medical staff and the trooper to think she was in her late teens to early 20’s. At that time they also started thinking she may be autistic.
While at the hospital, OSP sent a news release to area media asking for help to identify the female for which there was no information explaining how and why she was along the freeway. With the help of the local 9-1-1 center, she was identified and contact made with a family member. It was only at this time that her actual age (11) was learned. Once in contact with her family, OSP shared details of what happened and will update her family as needed.
OSP understands that this incident has caused concern while many parts of the story were being reported and picked up on social media. Per policy, OSP reviews all use-of-force incidents involving our troopers. We are grateful the girl was identified quickly and reunited with family that morning after being checked out at the hospital.
In June 2012, OSP began equipping all troopers assigned to the Patrol Services Division and Fish & Wildlife Division with Taser X2 electronic control devices (ECD). OSP troopers go through 8 hours of mandatory training to handle potential use of force situations with an appropriate level of response to minimize possible injury to our troopers and persons they are contacting. Ninety (90) percent of U.S. law enforcement agencies use ECD equipment as a safe use-of-force option compared to traditional use-of-force tools. The Taser is an alternative to deadly force, impact weapons (baton) and physical resistance which may involve fighting with people, often leading to injuries to the officer and/or person.
During the last few years on average, OSP troopers were annually involved in over 250,000 calls resulting in contacts with people. During 2012, OSP troopers reported 125 use-of-force incidents - approximately .05% of OSP contacts. Preliminary information indicates use-of-force incidents are trending down since OSP troopers been carrying Tasers in late 2012, possibly because the displaying of a Taser during a potential use-of-force situation is known to diffuse resistance and gain compliance.
### www.oregon.gov/OSP (http://www.oregon.gov/OSP) ###
And from her father: “She warned my daughter twice, who doesn’t respond verbally at all, and then tased her,” said Aram Hampson, the victim’s father.
Hampson says he daughter’s case of autism is so severe, she cannot carry a conversation and she often runs away from home.
And, on top of that, she doesn’t look like your average girl, which is why her dad thinks she was mistaken for a woman.
“She’s kind of you know, husky,” Hampson said.
While tazing an 11-year-old disabled child sounds extreme, state police say the move most likely saved her life.
They claim the girl was actually running across both lanes of the freeway in the wee hours of the morning. And for what it’s worth, they didn’t know she was 11
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I'm pretty sure that if you saw an 11 year old naked, you would be able to tell if she was a mature woman or a girl.
Just saying...even if she was sprouting breasts - and furthermore, her father says she was functioning at a much younger level. Clearly not a threat- the taser is LAST resort, but cops are content to use it as first resort, or even just to have fun.
First resort would be to walk up to her, say something, and escort her to the cop car.
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I hate cops with a passion. Just like Lestat says, they are filthy pigs.
Everyone killing a cop is a hero IMHO.
Lars here is BRAVE! He shot a cop with seven rounds from a .44. He got lifetime, but if just enough people killed cops there would be no cops left to arrest them :eyelash:
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I'm pretty sure that if you saw an 11 year old naked, you would be able to tell if she was a mature woman or a girl.
Just saying...even if she was sprouting breasts - and furthermore, her father says she was functioning at a much younger level. Clearly not a threat- the taser is LAST resort, but cops are content to use it as first resort, or even just to have fun.
First resort would be to walk up to her, say something, and escort her to the cop car.
But she wasn't wearing a sign or a tattoo that said I AM AUTISTIC AND CANNOT SPEAK. I FUNCTION AT A 3 YEAR OLD LEVEL. You don't expect to find a non-verbal 11 year old on the interstate at 4 in the morning.
I'm just thankful that nothing happened to her (hit by a car, picked up by a pervert) and that the powers that be aren't investigating the parents.
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Here is the official statement from the Oregon State Police.
Interesting. So there was some serious sensationalism going on. Not a single news article I saw said the cop who tasered her was female or that she didn't have a partner with her.
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But paula deen said nigger thirty years ago guys. Pay attention to the -real- news. Huehue.
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Well I saw an impartial observer with no invested interest say that she was walking along happily and not walking out on the road, and then the police report that she walked across two lanes.
I saw it said in the report that she appeared in her teens or early twenties.
11 mistaken for wary 20's? Really?
Why not call it what it is? Lies
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I FUNCTION AT A 3 YEAR OLD LEVEL.
I was going to reply with something witty and snarky...but then I re-read it (in sheer disbelief) and realized that you must have still been referring to the hypothetical tattoo.
:tard:
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Here is the official statement from the Oregon State Police.
Interesting. So there was some serious sensationalism going on. Not a single news article I saw said the cop who tasered her was female or that she didn't have a partner with her.
The sensationalism part should be apparent simply by reading the headlines. No matter what the truth is, you can always count on the media.
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:tard: And here I thought I was being all smart to ask if they were worried about being sued.
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Well I saw an impartial observer with no invested interest say that she was walking along happily and not walking out on the road, and then the police report that she walked across two lanes.
I saw it said in the report that she appeared in her teens or early twenties.
11 mistaken for wary 20's? Really?
Why not call it what it is? Lies
And this is why I hate cops and wish them death and misery. They are psychopathic sadists and cowardly liers. :thumbdn:
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Well I saw an impartial observer with no invested interest say that she was walking along happily and not walking out on the road, and then the police report that she walked across two lanes.
I saw it said in the report that she appeared in her teens or early twenties.
11 mistaken for wary 20's? Really?
Why not call it what it is? Lies
And this is why I hate cops and wish them death and misery. They are psychopathic sadists and cowardly liers. :thumbdn:
What do you do if you find a morally good policeman?
Shoot him before he turns bad
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Well I saw an impartial observer with no invested interest say that she was walking along happily and not walking out on the road, and then the police report that she walked across two lanes.
I saw it said in the report that she appeared in her teens or early twenties.
11 mistaken for wary 20's? Really?
Why not call it what it is? Lies
And this is why I hate cops and wish them death and misery. They are psychopathic sadists and cowardly liers. :thumbdn:
What do you do if you find a morally good policeman?
Shoot him before he turns bad
:green: :plus: :viking:
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Even the hospital personnel thought she was a lot older than 11.
How much "disobedience" of a police officer's orders should an officer take before turning up the response level?
The 911 caller said she might be on some type of drug because of her behavior. That would/should make the officer more wary about possible actions by the walker.
Every police call can be second-guessed. IMO, it was unfortunate, but it could have gone down a hell of a lot worse.
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I think this could have been handled a lot better than it was, tasering her, even if he mistook her for an adult seems excessive.
...but as for the age mistake...I really can't say "he should have known". All the hormones in our food and water anymore aren't helping, puberty used to begin around 12, now they consider 9 or 8 even in the "normal" range.
Son has a friend that looks every inch of 16 or older, (she's a size D)... and way taller than I am (which isn't too difficult I guess :apondering:)...she'll be 12 in a few weeks.
Precocious Puberty (in that case)...has some girls starting as young as 5 or 6.
Not saying this is the case here, just saying mistaking her for being older...I would say "possible".
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About the age, IQ and VQ are right, 11 year olds can look very mature. Size D for 12 year olds isn't a big exception any more.
Don't understand the tasering though. Why not wait with using the taser till there is actual threat of physical abuse by the person approached by the police. Why start with the assumption the girl is up to no good, when they could have started with the assumption the girl could be in need of help. Drugged naked woman could easily be a rape case too.
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...imagine the pig in a big pool of his own blood.
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And this is why I hate cops and wish them death and misery. They are psychopathic sadists and cowardly liers. :thumbdn:
liars :thumbup:
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And this is why I hate cops and wish them death and misery. They are psychopathic sadists and cowardly liers. :thumbdn:
liars :thumbup:
I bet a cop viewing this
would say
"They all say these things about us, until they need us."
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About the age, IQ and VQ are right, 11 year olds can look very mature. Size D for 12 year olds isn't a big exception any more.
Don't understand the tasering though. Why not wait with using the taser till there is actual threat of physical abuse by the person approached by the police. Why start with the assumption the girl is up to no good, when they could have started with the assumption the girl could be in need of help. Drugged naked woman could easily be a rape case too.
I have to wonder if the naked guy high on bath salts in Florida? that ate the other guys face off has everyone fucked up in the head now. :facepalm2:
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And this is why I hate cops and wish them death and misery. They are psychopathic sadists and cowardly liers. :thumbdn:
liars :thumbup:
I bet a cop viewing this
would say
"They all say these things about us, until they need us."
But I don't need them. I have a rifle and a shotgun. I've been trained by the military to use weapons and take down an aggressive person without them.
Some people -do- need them though, and they constantly pull shit like this. Just the other day I read about some cop shooting a bunch of kittens in front of some little kids, telling them he was "sending them to kitty heaven". yeeeeah. There needs to be some kind of accountability for these knuckleheads, but how would we go about doing that? What or who do law enforcement branches report to? The state?
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And this is why I hate cops and wish them death and misery. They are psychopathic sadists and cowardly liers. :thumbdn:
liars :thumbup:
I bet a cop viewing this
would say
"They all say these things about us, until they need us."
But I don't need them. I have a rifle and a shotgun. I've been trained by the military to use weapons and take down an aggressive person without them.
Some people -do- need them though, and they constantly pull shit like this. Just the other day I read about some cop shooting a bunch of kittens in front of some little kids, telling them he was "sending them to kitty heaven". yeeeeah. There needs to be some kind of accountability for these knuckleheads, but how would we go about doing that? What or who do law enforcement branches report to? The state?
That cop was a criminal
As are many others.
The last time a deputy walked in my door
He came in with weapon drawn (was not requested to my place of business).
For no reason, other than they know I am armed.
That was 3 years ago.
I will never call for Law enforcement as long as I am treated criminal by them
For owning weapons
Like you,
I will take care of business on my own.
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Yeah. Exactly. Nothing gets fixed unless someone does something to fix things though. Lets start a petition or something. But first things first, who do we petition to? What do police departments report to, so we know who to demand more accountability from?
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Yeah. Exactly. Nothing gets fixed unless someone does something to fix things though. Lets start a petition or something. But first things first, who do we petition to? What do police departments report to, so we know who to demand more accountability from?
There is an Law Enforcement group in my county
Made up of officers from city, county and state groups
Called the Multi-Jurisdictional Task Force
Who are responsible to no one
I swear they are not even responsible to the state
They do mostly drug and gang cases
You dont want to see those guys coming
I do have two of them as clients
Wont save my ass though
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Yeah. Exactly. Nothing gets fixed unless someone does something to fix things though. Lets start a petition or something. But first things first, who do we petition to? What do police departments report to, so we know who to demand more accountability from?
There is an Law Enforcement group in my county
Made up of officers from city, county and state groups
Called the Multi-Jurisdictional Task Force
Who are responsible to no one
I swear they are not even responsible to the state
They do mostly drug and gang cases
You dont want to see those guys coming
I do have two of them as clients
Wont save my ass though
I swear they are not even responsible to the state
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I figured it was something like that. I'm going to do something about this. That's completely un-American. Everyone here answers to SOMEONE for crissakes. :o
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Thank the Patriot Act and Homeland
They should be held accountable by at least the Governor or the states Attorney General
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This shit is going to change. Garaunteed.
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It's going to change but I'm not sure you'll like the result.
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I was just going to post the same. It's going to change to what it is like in Europe.
In Europe you can't protect yourself with a gun you own legally except in the Czech Republic and maybe Switzerland. You can't legally carry it publically or have it at your workplace. The only way to protect yourself with a gun is in your home, and even there it is questionable if you won't get prosecuted yourself, since you must have the gun locked up unloaded in a safe. In Sweden the circumstances must be very extreme for a court judging that you had a legal right to defend yourself with a gun.
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Well, I wasn't going to post that.
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:orly:
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IMO if you need to shoot someone, shoot a journalist. You can always count on the media to twist the facts. Any facts.
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:agreed: :plus: :viking:
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They are the really dangerous ones because they claim to be on your side, exposing the politicians and corporate crooks and whatnot, but they only do it to sell.
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I know. They are lousy creeps :thumbdn:
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Crooked cops and crooked journalists are both pretty damn dangerous.
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Off with their heads! :arrr:
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I was just going to post the same. It's going to change to what it is like in Europe.
In Europe you can't protect yourself with a gun you own legally except in the Czech Republic and maybe Switzerland. You can't legally carry it publically or have it at your workplace. The only way to protect yourself with a gun is in your home, and even there it is questionable if you won't get prosecuted yourself, since you must have the gun locked up unloaded in a safe. In Sweden the circumstances must be very extreme for a court judging that you had a legal right to defend yourself with a gun.
No. Its not. The aggression about that stupid stuff here has reached a fever pitch.
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A New Orleans policeman was killed last night. He was in an accident on the interstate and stepped from his car to exchange information. A passing car did a hit and run on him.
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In general, journalists in this country can go fuck themselves
We have some of the worst newspapers in the world
A girl who worked in the office here for a year or so has recently gone off to accept a journalism job though, and she was nice. Also met one or two nice journalists who've come round about the cat. If you write primarily for the Daily Mail or the Daily Telegraph or the Sun though, you should probably be hung drawn and quartered
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And this is why I hate cops and wish them death and misery. They are psychopathic sadists and cowardly liers. :thumbdn:
liars :thumbup:
I bet a cop viewing this
would say
"They all say these things about us, until they need us."
But I don't need them. I have a rifle and a shotgun. I've been trained by the military to use weapons and take down an aggressive person without them.
Some people -do- need them though, and they constantly pull shit like this. Just the other day I read about some cop shooting a bunch of kittens in front of some little kids, telling them he was "sending them to kitty heaven". yeeeeah. There needs to be some kind of accountability for these knuckleheads, but how would we go about doing that? What or who do law enforcement branches report to? The state?
Internal Affairs :zoinks:
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In general, journalists in this country can go fuck themselves
We have some of the worst newspapers in the world
A girl who worked in the office here for a year or so has recently gone off to accept a journalism job though, and she was nice. Also met one or two nice journalists who've come round about the cat. If you write primarily for the Daily Mail or the Daily Telegraph or the Sun though, you should probably be hung drawn and quartered
And yet in the US we have to trust The Guardian to tell us what's actually going down with our government.
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The NSA has discovered this thread.
:violin:
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In general, journalists in this country can go fuck themselves
We have some of the worst newspapers in the world
A girl who worked in the office here for a year or so has recently gone off to accept a journalism job though, and she was nice. Also met one or two nice journalists who've come round about the cat. If you write primarily for the Daily Mail or the Daily Telegraph or the Sun though, you should probably be hung drawn and quartered
And yet in the US we have to trust The Guardian to tell us what's actually going down with our government.
You're lucky to have someone to tell you what's going on.
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In general, journalists in this country can go fuck themselves
We have some of the worst newspapers in the world
A girl who worked in the office here for a year or so has recently gone off to accept a journalism job though, and she was nice. Also met one or two nice journalists who've come round about the cat. If you write primarily for the Daily Mail or the Daily Telegraph or the Sun though, you should probably be hung drawn and quartered
And yet in the US we have to trust The Guardian to tell us what's actually going down with our government.
You're lucky to have someone to tell you what's going on.
God only knows how accurate even that shit is
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In general, journalists in this country can go fuck themselves
We have some of the worst newspapers in the world
A girl who worked in the office here for a year or so has recently gone off to accept a journalism job though, and she was nice. Also met one or two nice journalists who've come round about the cat. If you write primarily for the Daily Mail or the Daily Telegraph or the Sun though, you should probably be hung drawn and quartered
And yet in the US we have to trust The Guardian to tell us what's actually going down with our government.
You're lucky to have someone to tell you what's going on.
God only knows how accurate even that shit is
YEah, but that'll be gone soon too, if something isn't done quick.
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Why? The media, for the most part, are useful for the government. They spend their time fabricating drama from facts, but only a precious few of those facts are a problem for the government.
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Why? The media, for the most part, are useful for the government. They spend their time fabricating drama from facts, but only a precious few of those facts are a problem for the government.
Too bad you are right.
Another cop beating a person who isn't violent. OK, this guy had done some things before, but he isn't violent when she beats the crap out of him, he just says incredibly stupid things like "I'm gonna blow up the street" and such :facepalm2:
http://www.dn.se/sthlm/har-slar-polisen-berusad-man/ (http://www.dn.se/sthlm/har-slar-polisen-berusad-man/)
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Why? The media, for the most part, are useful for the government. They spend their time fabricating drama from facts, but only a precious few of those facts are a problem for the government.
What I mean is, only piddling drama will be observed in the future, and any truth that might bleed through would be held back.
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Why? The media, for the most part, are useful for the government. They spend their time fabricating drama from facts, but only a precious few of those facts are a problem for the government.
What I mean is, only piddling drama will be observed in the future, and any truth that might bleed through would be held back.
Yes. Isn't it wonderful?
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Why? The media, for the most part, are useful for the government. They spend their time fabricating drama from facts, but only a precious few of those facts are a problem for the government.
What I mean is, only piddling drama will be observed in the future, and any truth that might bleed through would be held back.
Yes. Isn't it wonderful?
No. Want to know why? Read this.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsustainabledevelopment.un.org%2Fcontent%2Fdocuments%2FAgenda21.pdf&ei=zpzgUerlLY-xygHuz4GYBQ&usg=AFQjCNGrFwO5tpcz-HujCdmLdjbKwCOGMQ&sig2=lsiAVsCAhkdJ608VhVZ42w&bvm=bv.48705608,d.aWc (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsustainabledevelopment.un.org%2Fcontent%2Fdocuments%2FAgenda21.pdf&ei=zpzgUerlLY-xygHuz4GYBQ&usg=AFQjCNGrFwO5tpcz-HujCdmLdjbKwCOGMQ&sig2=lsiAVsCAhkdJ608VhVZ42w&bvm=bv.48705608,d.aWc)
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Why? The media, for the most part, are useful for the government. They spend their time fabricating drama from facts, but only a precious few of those facts are a problem for the government.
What I mean is, only piddling drama will be observed in the future, and any truth that might bleed through would be held back.
Yes. Isn't it wonderful?
No. Want to know why? Read this.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsustainabledevelopment.un.org%2Fcontent%2Fdocuments%2FAgenda21.pdf&ei=zpzgUerlLY-xygHuz4GYBQ&usg=AFQjCNGrFwO5tpcz-HujCdmLdjbKwCOGMQ&sig2=lsiAVsCAhkdJ608VhVZ42w&bvm=bv.48705608,d.aWc (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsustainabledevelopment.un.org%2Fcontent%2Fdocuments%2FAgenda21.pdf&ei=zpzgUerlLY-xygHuz4GYBQ&usg=AFQjCNGrFwO5tpcz-HujCdmLdjbKwCOGMQ&sig2=lsiAVsCAhkdJ608VhVZ42w&bvm=bv.48705608,d.aWc)
why didn't you post that link some place more obvious like the thread you posted about agenda 21 in?
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Why? The media, for the most part, are useful for the government. They spend their time fabricating drama from facts, but only a precious few of those facts are a problem for the government.
What I mean is, only piddling drama will be observed in the future, and any truth that might bleed through would be held back.
Yes. Isn't it wonderful?
No. Want to know why? Read this.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsustainabledevelopment.un.org%2Fcontent%2Fdocuments%2FAgenda21.pdf&ei=zpzgUerlLY-xygHuz4GYBQ&usg=AFQjCNGrFwO5tpcz-HujCdmLdjbKwCOGMQ&sig2=lsiAVsCAhkdJ608VhVZ42w&bvm=bv.48705608,d.aWc (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsustainabledevelopment.un.org%2Fcontent%2Fdocuments%2FAgenda21.pdf&ei=zpzgUerlLY-xygHuz4GYBQ&usg=AFQjCNGrFwO5tpcz-HujCdmLdjbKwCOGMQ&sig2=lsiAVsCAhkdJ608VhVZ42w&bvm=bv.48705608,d.aWc)
why didn't you post that link some place more obvious like the thread you posted about agenda 21 in?
Because I figured something this nightmarish would be common knowledge. This is not just America's problem. Its GLOBAL.
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You are being paranoid, Rage.
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Though it's serious enough with this NSA shit, the EUSSR etc.
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It helps to have at least some kind of evidence, though. Agenda 21 is a product by a body that lacks the governing power that is needed to implement it. The US and many other members routinely ignore the UN when they disagree with its agendas.
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True. I also find conspiracy "theories" boring. They also help in covering up real conspiracies.
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Mainly, yes. I suspect nothing pleases a government with something to hide as a conspiracy nutter going off on an irrelevant tangent. Gives them something to do.
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You are being paranoid, Rage.
I almost feel like we at intensitysquared may be getting the fascinating privilege of watching Rage's mania get ever more severe.
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He might become a new Francis E. Dec :toporly:
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Idiots. You can lead an ass to water... ::)
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THE SKY IS FALLING
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THE SKY IS FALLING
No it isn't. That's impossible.
Civil liberties are falling quicker than your boxers would fall around your ankles in jail though, guy. And I blame it on elite banking greedy fucktards. If you thought I was so stupid and my points so irrelevant, you wouldn't follow me around the forum like a little puppydog every time I showed up, licking my nuts over it. Its bugging you, cause I have a point.
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Thank you for pointing out the obvious of liberties being eroded. However, my main issue is your speculations of why they are.
I'm enjoying this because I know it bugs you when someone does not agree with you.
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Thank you for pointing out the obvious of liberties being eroded. However, my main issue is your speculations of why they are.
I'm enjoying this because I know it bugs you when someone does not agree with you.
Actually I just feel sorry for you. Civil liberties are being eroded, because people like you are not willing to accept anything uncomfortable, or leave their little pot and drum circles.
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I accept the uncomfortable, just not the far-fetched and blatant bullshit.
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I accept the uncomfortable, just not the far-fetched and blatant bullshit.
Burden of proof, etc. Prove my claims are far fetched. I've cited lots of sources regarding my stuff. All you do is share your "feelings" on the matter. As the critical thinker you claim to be, you should know about what feelings amount to right?
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I looked into them and found nothing that supported your claims. That isn't a "feeling", that's my conclusion.
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I looked into them and found nothing that supported your claims. That isn't a "feeling", that's my conclusion.
Here is the most damning proof of my current argument, Schleed. Can you tell me what my claims are? I am quite confident you don't even have any idea.
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It's like talking to a brick wall. :facepalm2:
You claim this can be enforced, despite evidence showing that governments do not care for the environment. In reality it's more likely to be a massive financial drain to enforce such things. There has been many attempts to push similar things before, but nothing stopped rising carbon emissions etc.
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You claim this can be enforced,
Oh yeah? News to me! :green:
I do claim that it COULD be enforced, which could offer more ways to manipulate and take advantage of the people. But you know, i'm RageBeoulve, so go ahead and ASSume, man.
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likely to be a massive financial drain
Yep. We agree here, that's for sure.
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You claim this can be enforced,
Oh yeah? News to me! :green:
I do claim that it COULD be enforced, which could offer more ways to manipulate and take advantage of the people. But you know, i'm RageBeoulve, so go ahead and ASSume, man.
How the fuck am I assuming if you basically said it right there?!? :LMAO:
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You claim this can be enforced,
Oh yeah? News to me! :green:
I do claim that it COULD be enforced, which could offer more ways to manipulate and take advantage of the people. But you know, i'm RageBeoulve, so go ahead and ASSume, man.
How the fuck am I assuming if you basically said it right there?!? :LMAO:
You're dense. Theres a difference between saying this *could be* done, and this *will be* done. I know you're an assbuger dude, but so am I. Get with the program.
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Where did I say "will be done"?
You said it can be done. I'm saying it can't.
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Where did I say "will be done"?
You said it can be done. I'm saying it can't.
HAH! Then we disagree. There is no such thing as can't, especially when you own half the world's resources. If the people i'm talking about really wanted to, they could put a dog's head on your body, surgically. Don't give me that.
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It's like talking to a brick wall. :facepalm2:
Well that's your fault. That's what if usually feels like when you walk into a room in the middle of a conversation and start asserting your viewpoints without knowing any background. Yeah, its about like talking to a brick wall, because you yourself have no idea what you're even arguing with.
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Anyway, NEXT. ::)
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It helps to have at least some kind of evidence, though. Agenda 21 is a product by a body that lacks the governing power that is needed to implement it. The US and many other members routinely ignore the UN when they disagree with its agendas.
this
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It helps to have at least some kind of evidence, though. Agenda 21 is a product by a body that lacks the governing power that is needed to implement it. The US and many other members routinely ignore the UN when they disagree with its agendas.
this
This is true, but aspects of agenda 21 are being implemented, and have been for years. I do not trust this movement, and I will challenge it. Repeatedly. Aloud.
If its so nice, it should hold up to scrutiny no?
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"Scrutiny" means a lot more than comparing them to Nazis.
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"Scrutiny" means a lot more than comparing them to Nazis.
It sure does. Like asking how certain parts of the document will be prevented from being used to abuse people and establish a Nazi Germany situation in the future. Asking directly regarding those parts, and asking in regards to every possible scenario where abuse could occur. If no defense against abuse can be offered, then the movement should be thrown away. If this line of reasoning is refused, there should be dire consequences.
This is how freedom is defended from tyrants, Odeon. People with money and power will always try to take advantage of those who do not have it. Its simply human nature. I really don't think you're cut out for this gig.
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Again, the document is not binding. It was produced by an organisation without any kind of power to enforce it. Your government may or may not be able to enforce it, should it wish to do so, but not because of anything in that document.
They could just as well be enforcing The Bible, Harry Potter or The Little Engine That Could.
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Again, the document is not binding. It was produced by an organisation without any kind of power to enforce it. Your government may or may not be able to enforce it, should it wish to do so, but not because of anything in that document.
They could just as well be enforcing The Bible, Harry Potter or The Little Engine That Could.
Again, the document is not binding.
Man. Some people are pretty easy. Because someone rich writes something, they aren't liars, EVER.
http://presscore.ca/2012/vaticans-nazi-german-fourth-reich-established-under-the-guise-of-the-european-union.html (http://presscore.ca/2012/vaticans-nazi-german-fourth-reich-established-under-the-guise-of-the-european-union.html)
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But that doesn't have anything to do with Agenda 21.
I also doubt that the founders of the EG/EU were true Nazis, although I consider their "democracy" the true fascism.
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But that doesn't have anything to do with Agenda 21.
I also doubt that the founders of the EG/EU were true Nazis, although I consider their "democracy" the true fascism.
Agenda 21 came from The UN. I'm automatically going to fire all cylinders attacking it, unless there is a reasonable defense for it. I don't trust it.
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The fact that it is ten years old and has had zero effect on your life up to this point doesn't calm your fears? I know that combating poverty and deforestation is fascist, but since they can't actually do anything about it can't we all agree that it's pointless?
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zero effect on your life up to this point
It would if that was true. But it has not had zero effect.
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Again, the document is not binding. It was produced by an organisation without any kind of power to enforce it. Your government may or may not be able to enforce it, should it wish to do so, but not because of anything in that document.
They could just as well be enforcing The Bible, Harry Potter or The Little Engine That Could.
Again, the document is not binding.
Man. Some people are pretty easy. Because someone rich writes something, they aren't liars, EVER.
http://presscore.ca/2012/vaticans-nazi-german-fourth-reich-established-under-the-guise-of-the-european-union.html (http://presscore.ca/2012/vaticans-nazi-german-fourth-reich-established-under-the-guise-of-the-european-union.html)
Shouldn't you at least try to discuss the same organisation? Or one that is somewhat similar to the organisation we are discussing?
Lulzworthy site, btw. Cancer cures, Nazis... what else do you need from a site?
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Again, the document is not binding. It was produced by an organisation without any kind of power to enforce it. Your government may or may not be able to enforce it, should it wish to do so, but not because of anything in that document.
They could just as well be enforcing The Bible, Harry Potter or The Little Engine That Could.
Again, the document is not binding.
Man. Some people are pretty easy. Because someone rich writes something, they aren't liars, EVER.
http://presscore.ca/2012/vaticans-nazi-german-fourth-reich-established-under-the-guise-of-the-european-union.html (http://presscore.ca/2012/vaticans-nazi-german-fourth-reich-established-under-the-guise-of-the-european-union.html)
Shouldn't you at least try to discuss the same organisation? Or one that is somewhat similar to the organisation we are discussing?
Lulzworthy site, btw. Cancer cures, Nazis... what else do you need from a site?
Lulzworthy point of view btw. Some unrelated articles completely discount that one for you. That's like looking at a plate of food. One of your favorites is one one side, something you hate is on the other. You won't eat any of it though. Something you don't like is on the plate.
This is why I won't discuss more serious matters with you, Odeon. Your bias is overwhelming.
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Again, the document is not binding. It was produced by an organisation without any kind of power to enforce it. Your government may or may not be able to enforce it, should it wish to do so, but not because of anything in that document.
They could just as well be enforcing The Bible, Harry Potter or The Little Engine That Could.
Again, the document is not binding.
Man. Some people are pretty easy. Because someone rich writes something, they aren't liars, EVER.
http://presscore.ca/2012/vaticans-nazi-german-fourth-reich-established-under-the-guise-of-the-european-union.html (http://presscore.ca/2012/vaticans-nazi-german-fourth-reich-established-under-the-guise-of-the-european-union.html)
Shouldn't you at least try to discuss the same organisation? Or one that is somewhat similar to the organisation we are discussing?
Lulzworthy site, btw. Cancer cures, Nazis... what else do you need from a site?
Lulzworthy point of view btw. Some unrelated articles completely discount that one for you. That's like looking at a plate of food. One of your favorites is one one side, something you hate is on the other. You won't eat any of it though. Something you don't like is on the plate.
This is why I won't discuss more serious matters with you, Odeon. Your bias is overwhelming.
I've highlighted what discount the site for me. THEN I lol'd at the rest of the site.
As for discussing serious matters, when do you plan on starting? :zoinks:
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Again, the document is not binding. It was produced by an organisation without any kind of power to enforce it. Your government may or may not be able to enforce it, should it wish to do so, but not because of anything in that document.
They could just as well be enforcing The Bible, Harry Potter or The Little Engine That Could.
Again, the document is not binding.
Man. Some people are pretty easy. Because someone rich writes something, they aren't liars, EVER.
http://presscore.ca/2012/vaticans-nazi-german-fourth-reich-established-under-the-guise-of-the-european-union.html (http://presscore.ca/2012/vaticans-nazi-german-fourth-reich-established-under-the-guise-of-the-european-union.html)
Shouldn't you at least try to discuss the same organisation? Or one that is somewhat similar to the organisation we are discussing?
Lulzworthy site, btw. Cancer cures, Nazis... what else do you need from a site?
Lulzworthy point of view btw. Some unrelated articles completely discount that one for you. That's like looking at a plate of food. One of your favorites is one one side, something you hate is on the other. You won't eat any of it though. Something you don't like is on the plate.
This is why I won't discuss more serious matters with you, Odeon. Your bias is overwhelming.
I've highlighted what discount the site for me. THEN I lol'd at the rest of the site.
As for discussing serious matters, when do you plan on starting? :zoinks:
Its current leadership. They're all the same assholes to me at this point, man.
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In general, journalists in this country can go fuck themselves
We have some of the worst newspapers in the world
A girl who worked in the office here for a year or so has recently gone off to accept a journalism job though, and she was nice. Also met one or two nice journalists who've come round about the cat. If you write primarily for the Daily Mail or the Daily Telegraph or the Sun though, you should probably be hung drawn and quartered
And yet in the US we have to trust The Guardian to tell us what's actually going down with our government.
You're lucky to have someone to tell you what's going on.
God only knows how accurate even that shit is
Oh the Guardian are pretty good (incidentally, we have someone coming round to interview my mum about the cat next week - for the Guardian lol).
As are the Independent (good I mean, not coming round about the cat)
http://www.independent.co.uk/ (http://www.independent.co.uk/)
Other than the Guardian and the Independent though, our newspapers are absolute trash and I despise the lot of them
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I'm glad we have a few decent newspapers here, and a few decent TV journalists too. People who really try to gather information, not copy what has already been said before.
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Your biggest threat of america becoming Nazi-ish is your fucked up crazy republican party and their voters.
It's not gonna happen though. Nazism was... unique.
I don't mean totalitarianism or fucked up asshole countries are unique, I mean National Socialism itself was unique. If you're gonna compare this to some terrible regime, Nazi germany isn't the best one to pick
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Also you're doing the same thing Milla did (sorry to bring her up again, but it reminds me of her) by accusing everyone who doesn't agree with you of being a mindless sheep who just accepts everything they're told.
Schleed for example is about as far away from fitting that description as you're gonna find here.
I think I am too.
But there's a difference between not blindly believing everything you're told and going to the extreme like you are.
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Your biggest threat of america becoming Nazi-ish is your fucked up crazy republican party and their voters.
It's not gonna happen though. Nazism was... unique.
I don't mean totalitarianism or fucked up asshole countries are unique, I mean National Socialism itself was unique. If you're gonna compare this to some terrible regime, Nazi germany isn't the best one to pick
Republicans and democrats. LOL. I'm not going to argue with you over meaningless political parties, man. What I will say, is that i'm not falling for the socialist trick on some kind of faith. I have no faith at all in Obama at this point. He's lied so many times, I would not believe a thing he said.
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Socialist trick?
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Also you're doing the same thing Milla did (sorry to bring her up again, but it reminds me of her) by accusing everyone who doesn't agree with you of being a mindless sheep who just accepts everything they're told.
Schleed for example is about as far away from fitting that description as you're gonna find here.
I think I am too.
But there's a difference between not blindly believing everything you're told and going to the extreme like you are.
I didn't call you a sheep. And I had a private talk with schleed. I think you two may be quite mislead about President Obama. I would like to know why you think that liar and traitor is so good for my country.
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Socialist trick?
Socialist trick. There are many reasons why I say its a trick, and disagree with the entire concept. I'll tell you all about it on Monday in chat.
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Like I said, I don't think Obama is perfect. But he's the best you're gonna get til you change your attitude towards socialism and atheism
Left wing, secular governments are always the best option. And Obama one of the closest you're gonna get to that, in reality
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Like I said, I don't think Obama is perfect. But he's the best you're gonna get til you change your attitude towards socialism and atheism
Left wing, secular governments are always the best option. And Obama one of the closest you're gonna get to that, in reality
I don't have a bad opinion of atheism. I do have a bad opinion of socialism.
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I know you don't personally, but it's obviously a big thing in america
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I know you don't personally, but it's obviously a big thing in america
That I agree with.
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http://www.theonion.com/articles/insecure-frustrated-bully-with-something-to-prove,33427/ (http://www.theonion.com/articles/insecure-frustrated-bully-with-something-to-prove,33427/)
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http://www.theonion.com/articles/insecure-frustrated-bully-with-something-to-prove,33427/ (http://www.theonion.com/articles/insecure-frustrated-bully-with-something-to-prove,33427/)
The average cop in a nutshell.
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u have the rit tou remain silen
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Police force of today is a bight on the societies that have to have them.
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Yes. Yes it is. Such an honorable profession originally having been turned into a Nazi storm trooper just breaks my heart.
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Not everyone who is a police is a nazi storm trooper.
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They are being progressively militarized, though. And it's not just the people who happen to be police. It's our whole culture. Everything we're opposed to is a war of some sort.
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They are being progressively militarized, though. And it's not just the people who happen to be police. It's our whole culture. Everything we're opposed to is a war of some sort.
That's an interesting argument, although I don't know if that's different from how things used to be.
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They are being progressively militarized, though. And it's not just the people who happen to be police. It's our whole culture. Everything we're opposed to is a war of some sort.
That's an interesting argument, although I don't know if that's different from how things used to be.
Well, broadly, we've been at war for more than half of our history as an independent country. Every generation has had some kind of actual war to fight. But (according to The Young Turks anyway) since the beginning of the drug war, the police have been granted increasingly military-style training, and more and more military style weapons. Military style raids are increasing compared to more civilian-style searches.
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Less than 100 years ago cops usually didn't have firearms, not even in the US, except for the western and southern states.
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Here is the official statement from the Oregon State Police.
Oregon State Police Statement Regarding June 16, 2013 Taser Use-Of-Force Incident on Interstate 5 near Ashland
June 21, 2013
On June 16, 2013 at approximately 4:15 a.m., OSP was dispatched to a report of a person walking naked along Interstate 5 north of Ashland. The lone trooper on duty in the area arrived on scene and saw an unidentified female walking in darkness southbound with her back to traffic on the fog line in an unlit area. Without backup available, the female trooper tried to get the female’s attention to get her to come to the car but was met with no verbal response or cooperation. When a passing motorist stopped at the scene, the female moved out into the traffic lanes and as the trooper followed she didn’t get any response or show of cooperation. As the situation continued to quickly unfold, the trooper used a Taser to keep the female from continuing to move into a position on the freeway, where others may suddently drive upon the scene with no reasonable expectation of pedestrians on the roadway, that would put her or others at risk.
After checking the female for any injury and finding none, the trooper placed the resistive female in the patrol car and took her to an area hospital. After arrival, the female continued to be unresponsive to questions and was resistant to medical staff’s help. Her behavior and physical development led medical staff and the trooper to think she was in her late teens to early 20’s. At that time they also started thinking she may be autistic.
While at the hospital, OSP sent a news release to area media asking for help to identify the female for which there was no information explaining how and why she was along the freeway. With the help of the local 9-1-1 center, she was identified and contact made with a family member. It was only at this time that her actual age (11) was learned. Once in contact with her family, OSP shared details of what happened and will update her family as needed.
OSP understands that this incident has caused concern while many parts of the story were being reported and picked up on social media. Per policy, OSP reviews all use-of-force incidents involving our troopers. We are grateful the girl was identified quickly and reunited with family that morning after being checked out at the hospital.
In June 2012, OSP began equipping all troopers assigned to the Patrol Services Division and Fish & Wildlife Division with Taser X2 electronic control devices (ECD). OSP troopers go through 8 hours of mandatory training to handle potential use of force situations with an appropriate level of response to minimize possible injury to our troopers and persons they are contacting. Ninety (90) percent of U.S. law enforcement agencies use ECD equipment as a safe use-of-force option compared to traditional use-of-force tools. The Taser is an alternative to deadly force, impact weapons (baton) and physical resistance which may involve fighting with people, often leading to injuries to the officer and/or person.
During the last few years on average, OSP troopers were annually involved in over 250,000 calls resulting in contacts with people. During 2012, OSP troopers reported 125 use-of-force incidents - approximately .05% of OSP contacts. Preliminary information indicates use-of-force incidents are trending down since OSP troopers been carrying Tasers in late 2012, possibly because the displaying of a Taser during a potential use-of-force situation is known to diffuse resistance and gain compliance.
### www.oregon.gov/OSP (http://www.oregon.gov/OSP) ###
And from her father: “She warned my daughter twice, who doesn’t respond verbally at all, and then tased her,” said Aram Hampson, the victim’s father.
Hampson says he daughter’s case of autism is so severe, she cannot carry a conversation and she often runs away from home.
And, on top of that, she doesn’t look like your average girl, which is why her dad thinks she was mistaken for a woman.
“She’s kind of you know, husky,” Hampson said.
While tazing an 11-year-old disabled child sounds extreme, state police say the move most likely saved her life.
They claim the girl was actually running across both lanes of the freeway in the wee hours of the morning. And for what it’s worth, they didn’t know she was 11
If your kid runs away from home like that, then maybe it's better for her to be in a group home for disabled children unless you are able and willing to secure your home so that this girl cannot escape.
But I can kinda see why the girl was tased: To prevent her from running into oncoming freeway traffic and being hit and killed by an oncoming car.
I do wonder if tasers have multiple power settings and if they do, they cops should ALWAYS use the lowest effective power for a child rather than an adult.
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Source (http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/06/police-taser-naked-autistic-11-year-old-found-wandering-highway-2-2698138.html)
In Oregon, police found a naked and very confused 11-year-old girl wandering on the highway along the I-5 corridor. Instead of offering her a ride home, they decided to taser her.
The young girl was autistic.
Adam Bednar, a cab driver, saw the naked girl on Sunday morning. When he drove up to the seemingly confused girl, she gave him a smile, indicating that she was not fully aware of her surroundings or what she was doing.
Bednar said, “I thought she was drugged. I thought she was on bath salts, too much meth, something.”
The cab driver called the police, as he drove alongside her.
The trooper who showed up on the scene told the girl to stop walking. After she didn’t respond, he threatened to taser her twice. Two little red dots appeared on the small girl’s back, and then metal barbs.
“She seized up, then she just fell face first on the ground. Just face first on the ground,” said Bednar.
The Oregon State Police defended the officer’s decision to taser the 11-year-old, saying it was necessary to prevent her from wandering further and “putting herself in danger.”
Bednar, on the other hand, says this explanation isn’t good enough. “She wasn’t going off the road, she was set on walking down the freeway,” he said. “And I think that, had [the trooper] waited for back up, they could have gotten her without the Taser.”
The girl’s father says the local news reportage also wasn’t fair. His daughter was referred to as a “young woman,” a “woman,” and a “juvenile.” The report refused to give her age.
The father said, “They keep calling her a ‘woman’ …she is 11 years old. Since when is an 11-year-old kid with the mind of a 3-year-old a ‘woman’? She is very gentle and non combative. If the police cannot apprehend a child who is cooperative without Tasing then what would be the alternative? Shooting her?”
This entire situation is an absurd case of a police power-grab. Tasers are only to be used in emergency situations, as a last resort before lethal force.
The local media coverage of the events also illuminates a problematic relationship between media and police. There was no attempt to question the trooper’s decision to taser the 11-year-old with autism. Instead, they called the 11-year-old a “woman,” and presented their story to the public as if it were unbiased and fair.
Another news report (http://www.kdrv.com/taser-used-on-naked-i-5-wanderer/)
So sick of this shit.
I find this odd after having experienced the Oregon State Troopers firsthand.
Although I generally hate cops, the troopers seem very professional and level headed.
I wonder what went wrong in this case? :dunno:
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Oregon police are the worst