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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Tom/Mutate on December 19, 2008, 05:02:20 AM
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Can you be worried about overcrowding, stretching of resources, lack of jobs etc, without being racist? Or should people always be for it, without raising concerns?
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Can you be worried about overcrowding, stretching of resources, lack of jobs etc, without being racist? Or should people always be for it, without raising concerns?
According to the commies and "liberals" all immigration criticism is Nazi propaganda.
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I think so but then again I don't like people in general of all races so when I like one that I meet I tend not to look at those things. As a purely statistical point to worry about your own economic conditions is normal as is the fear of change no matter how it is brought about either by dwindling resources or by the fact that you can't understand what the guy at the corner store says because of a language barrier.
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A serious immigration debate is impossible in Sweden.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg9D4uHjCXI
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I'd rather blame the government for letting too many in and giving them privileges over us, because they're afraid of being accused as racist. :wanker:
It's one of the factors why this country's gone into recession, along with over building and trying too fucking hard being some "sophisticated" place full of organic eco warrior wank.
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Get the Poles out! :zoinks:
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Without borders, there could be more of a flow each way...
Peasants go to big smoke, start working hard towards being rich.
Rich people move to poorer areas, become super rich as their money stretches further.
That was a silly idea I realised as I was typing.
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It's not racist to be concerned about immigration; it's just a topic that many racists obsess about. Scotland has benefited from immigration in the past; a large number of Irish families, including my dad's family, immigrated to Scotland in the past and became productive members of Scottish society (not so much in my dad's case, admittedly, and it gave rise to a fair bit of sectarian violence), providing labour that fueled an expansion of heavy industry. Later on, Indian and Pakistani immigrants came, filling up a post-war labour shortage and opening a huge number of small convenience shops and takeaways, expanding the rather limited culinary horizons of the native Scots and sending their children to university to become doctors, engineers and other valuable specialists.
Now, however, the nature of immigration has changed. Instead of relatively educated, hard-working people coming, getting jobs, raising families and integrating into society, we're getting asylum seekers and seasonal workers. The asylum seekers come from oppressive or war-torn shitholes that have often traumatised and brutalised them, they often remain on benefits, instead of integrating, they tend to form enclaves, holding onto cultural practices that are incompatible with native values (forced marriage, honor killings etc) and are vastly more likely to be convicted of a crime than the natives. Seasonal workers are better, and are particularly useful to agriculture where time-sensitive crops like strawberries require a large temporary workforce to harvest them, but much of their wages go back home with them instead of returning to the local economy.
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the simple answer is "no", and the first bit of peter's post is spot on. (i found the second para, whilst true, to lean slightly toward the "they're a drain on our resources" argument, without making more of the "they've come from oppressive regimes and so deserve a life" bit. not a criticism, peter, just an observation/interpretation).
According to the commies and "liberals" all immigration criticism is Nazi propaganda.
gracious - does that mean i'm not a commie or a liberal anymore?
::)
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You're still a :moomin: :hahaha:
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You're still a :moomin: :hahaha:
indeed. your point?
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Does one have to need a point here? I haven't seen it from the superior draft dodging knows-best-"liberal" admin.
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Does one have to need a point here? I haven't seen it from the superior draft dodging knows-best-"liberal" admin.
do you always look to odeon to provide you with your points of argument?
how sad. :hahaha:
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Can you be worried about overcrowding, stretching of resources, lack of jobs etc, without being racist? Or should people always be for it, without raising concerns?
It certainly doesn't make you a racist. Racism is about something else.
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Sweden's third largest city being enriched on this very day. You don't have to understand Swedish, just play the movies.
http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/artikel_2224451.svd
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Can you be worried about overcrowding, stretching of resources, lack of jobs etc, without being racist? Or should people always be for it, without raising concerns?
It certainly doesn't make you a racist. Racism is about something else.
But if you want to know what a racist is like, read Lit's posts.
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Can you be worried about overcrowding, stretching of resources, lack of jobs etc, without being racist? Or should people always be for it, without raising concerns?
It certainly doesn't make you a racist. Racism is about something else.
But if you want to know what a racist is like, read Lit's posts.
QFT.
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Sweden's third largest city being enriched on this very day. You don't have to understand Swedish, just play the movies.
http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/artikel_2224451.svd
Well its not racist to be against a culture, or a religion.
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Sweden's third largest city being enriched on this very day. You don't have to understand Swedish, just play the movies.
http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/artikel_2224451.svd
Well its not racist to be against a culture, or a religion.
No, but that is not what Lit is doing:
racism
n 1: the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically
superior to members of other races
2: discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of
another race [syn: racialism, racial discrimination]
I'd say both apply.
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Sweden's third largest city being enriched on this very day. You don't have to understand Swedish, just play the movies.
http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/artikel_2224451.svd
Well its not racist to be against a culture, or a religion.
No, but that is not what Lit is doing:
racism
n 1: the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically
superior to members of other races
2: discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of
another race [syn: racialism, racial discrimination]
I'd say both apply.
Depends how you define race - would a certain race having a predisposition to a certain culture or religion and discriminating against those cultures or religions be racist?
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Sweden's third largest city being enriched on this very day. You don't have to understand Swedish, just play the movies.
http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/artikel_2224451.svd
Well its not racist to be against a culture, or a religion.
No, but that is not what Lit is doing:
racism
n 1: the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically
superior to members of other races
2: discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of
another race [syn: racialism, racial discrimination]
I'd say both apply.
So ethnical Swedes started those fires?
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Sweden's third largest city being enriched on this very day. You don't have to understand Swedish, just play the movies.
http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/artikel_2224451.svd
Well its not racist to be against a culture, or a religion.
No, but that is not what Lit is doing:
racism
n 1: the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically
superior to members of other races
2: discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of
another race [syn: racialism, racial discrimination]
I'd say both apply.
So ethnical Swedes started those fires?
You're being irrelevant, as usual.
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Sweden's third largest city being enriched on this very day. You don't have to understand Swedish, just play the movies.
http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/artikel_2224451.svd
Well its not racist to be against a culture, or a religion.
No, but that is not what Lit is doing:
racism
n 1: the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically
superior to members of other races
2: discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of
another race [syn: racialism, racial discrimination]
I'd say both apply.
So ethnical Swedes started those fires?
You're being irrelevant, as usual.
So ethnical Swedes attack firemen and ambulance personnel doing their jobs? Ever?
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Yes. Why?
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Race is a boring concept - they're all human, just in different flavours. That said, I normally dislike humans. :zoinks:
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Yes. Why?
When? Where in Sweden? I have heard and seen them attacking cops but never firemen and ambulance people.
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Race is a boring concept - they're all human, just in different flavours. That said, I normally dislike humans. :zoinks:
Most humans are disgusting, though Muslims are more disgusting than the average human.
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Race is a boring concept - they're all human, just in different flavours. That said, I normally dislike humans. :zoinks:
Too bad they can be very tasty if prepared right >:D
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Race is a boring concept - they're all human, just in different flavours. That said, I normally dislike humans. :zoinks:
Too bad they can be very tasty if prepared right >:D
Oi, shush Hannibal.
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Race is a boring concept - they're all human, just in different flavours. That said, I normally dislike humans. :zoinks:
Too bad they can be very tasty if prepared right >:D
I guess "BRAVE" swedes like lit can be tasty if you put 'em over the barbecue, marinated in spicy sauce. Yum.
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I'm sexy and eat healthy food and stuff. Of course I'd be tasty. 8)
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it's about culture, not race. i don't have a problem with people moving to a country if they are willing to adapt. if your culture is to be gross and threatening and violent, that's not cool. i don't give a shit what race you are i will kick your ass. --unless you are cute and hot of course. :P
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Race is a boring concept - they're all human, just in different flavours. That said, I normally dislike humans. :zoinks:
:indeed:
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it's about culture, not race. i don't have a problem with people moving to a country if they are willing to adapt. if your culture is to be gross and threatening and violent, that's not cool. i don't give a shit what race you are i will kick your ass. --unless you are cute and hot of course. :P
Totally agreed with bolded section. I'm not automatically prejudiced against members of any particular groups - in the most self-isolated communities you find individuals who accept that they have come to live in a country which has its OWN culture and traditions - which while nobody is expecting migrants to become carbon copies, I think its key to successfully integrating into the wider host community that incomers make an effort to understand how we do things here, and accept it. If I moved to say, Dubai, I would do myself a favour and show respect to my hosts by refraining from flouting their cultural taboos in public, learning a little about their culture (Arabic being the most useful start - I believe agreeing to learn English should be a prerequisite for granting citizenship), and accepting that while I might find some aspects of their society distasteful I am a guest. If I don't like it there, I should go back home to my own culture. Also some long established immigrant communities here still choose to isolate and segregate themselves from the wider community - which isn't healthy IMO, and has caused much damage and mutual mistrust in many Northern towns and cities. Anyone who denies this as a fact is wearing blinkers. I have had Muslim friends, neighbours, co-workers, classmates and get on well with most of em - I've been helped out many times by local Asians and generally prefer to break down in (most) Asian areas than a mainly white one, because in all likelihood I end up being helped by a growing assortment of locals. But a lot of folk wouldn't see the good in the 'weird' folk who keep to themselves unless they're delivering your takeaway or on the till at Morrisons - without more integration folk on either side of the divide don't actually get to know each other well, weakening the community. Which allows poisoned worldviews like the BNP's and Lit's to take hold, particularly among the ignorant.
Does that make sense?
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I forgot to add - I would support deportation of migrants who commit serious offences. We have enough arseholes of our own in England without looking after anyone else's. And if that's not PC enough you can kiss my arse.
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Does that make sense?
perfect sense, and it's bang on. :clap:
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I forgot to add - I would support deportation of migrants who commit serious offences. We have enough arseholes of our own in England without looking after anyone else's. And if that's not PC enough you can kiss my arse.
"PC" is a poison, if you ask me. and i agree with you.
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it's about culture, not race. i don't have a problem with people moving to a country if they are willing to adapt. if your culture is to be gross and threatening and violent, that's not cool. i don't give a shit what race you are i will kick your ass. --unless you are cute and hot of course. :P
Totally agreed with bolded section. I'm not automatically prejudiced against members of any particular groups - in the most self-isolated communities you find individuals who accept that they have come to live in a country which has its OWN culture and traditions - which while nobody is expecting migrants to become carbon copies, I think its key to successfully integrating into the wider host community that incomers make an effort to understand how we do things here, and accept it. If I moved to say, Dubai, I would do myself a favour and show respect to my hosts by refraining from flouting their cultural taboos in public, learning a little about their culture (Arabic being the most useful start - I believe agreeing to learn English should be a prerequisite for granting citizenship), and accepting that while I might find some aspects of their society distasteful I am a guest. If I don't like it there, I should go back home to my own culture. Also some long established immigrant communities here still choose to isolate and segregate themselves from the wider community - which isn't healthy IMO, and has caused much damage and mutual mistrust in many Northern towns and cities. Anyone who denies this as a fact is wearing blinkers. I have had Muslim friends, neighbours, co-workers, classmates and get on well with most of em - I've been helped out many times by local Asians and generally prefer to break down in (most) Asian areas than a mainly white one, because in all likelihood I end up being helped by a growing assortment of locals. But a lot of folk wouldn't see the good in the 'weird' folk who keep to themselves unless they're delivering your takeaway or on the till at Morrisons - without more integration folk on either side of the divide don't actually get to know each other well, weakening the community. Which allows poisoned worldviews like the BNP's and Lit's to take hold, particularly among the ignorant.
Does that make sense?
It makes perfect sense to me.
I think that many people have problems when a group moves into an area as an enclave and makes no efforts to accept and assimilate into the culture they moved into.
That is why I think the Mormons were driven in their migration toward Utah, and I think the Mormons would serve as an example of cultural differences without racial differences.
When the Mormons moved from place to place in the middle 1800's, they were "persecuted" because of their distinctive religious beliefs, which included polygamy and claims of divine favor, but also because they moved into areas as an enclave and did not assimilate into their communities, then their numbers grew rapidly and they voted in blocks to vote their religious leaders into office, which would change the secular communities into which they moved into Mormon communities. This angered their neighbors, who became hostile and violent toward them. Then the Mormons would move somewhere else, and the cycle repeated until finally Brigham Young, the new leader of the church after the murder of Joseph Smith, said that he had gotten divine inspiration to move the Mormons to Utah, which at that time was beyond the Western frontier of the US.
For the most part, the Mormons did not commit crimes, so if you have groups who form enclaves and voting blocks and some of them commit violent crimes against the residents of the communities they move into, that's even worse for the community and I can see how groups like the BNP are able to gain followers.
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The rioting Muslims in Sweden this week got support from the "Anti Fascist Action". That was good for the media, because they could avoid being "racist" and blame the violence on the AFA instead. ::)
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Add to that the creeping poison of political correctness, with barmy councils suppressing expressions of our own culture while subsidising facilities for those who don't seem interested in integrating with us and you have a recipe for unrest. Which in many Northern cities is exactly what has happened, Burnley and Oldham being two of the worst affected areas. Bradford is also a tinderbox - it has a reputation for welcoming waves of newcomers, which it did, dating back to the Irish diaspora and the German merchant quarter, to the post-war settlement of Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Hungarians, Poles and Italians in many areas of the city, and a huge influx of (mainly Kashmiri) Pakistanis and to a lesser extent Indian, Bangladeshi, African and West Indian migrants in the fifties and sixties. Of these, the largest and most problematic group to integrate has been the Kashmiris, for reasons too numerous to go into. Actually getting to know each other and set some 'rules of engagement' in the early days before they were 100,000 strong may have helped avoid the segregation we see in the city today, and the toadyism/appeasement and resentments. It might also have helped avoid the periodic rioting. >:(
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"Anti fascists" in Gothenburg in June 2001:
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Yes. Why?
When? Where in Sweden? I have heard and seen them attacking cops but never firemen and ambulance people.
A mate of mine used to work at Larmtjänst (the people that answer the phone when you call 112, the Swedish equivalent of 911) and told me of several incidents, from domestic disturbances to nazi fuckwits such as yourself causing trouble.
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it's about culture, not race. i don't have a problem with people moving to a country if they are willing to adapt. if your culture is to be gross and threatening and violent, that's not cool. i don't give a shit what race you are i will kick your ass. --unless you are cute and hot of course. :P
And the same holds true with those fellow countrymen who are unwilling to adapt--plenty of morons there.
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it's about culture, not race. i don't have a problem with people moving to a country if they are willing to adapt. if your culture is to be gross and threatening and violent, that's not cool. i don't give a shit what race you are i will kick your ass. --unless you are cute and hot of course. :P
Totally agreed with bolded section. I'm not automatically prejudiced against members of any particular groups - in the most self-isolated communities you find individuals who accept that they have come to live in a country which has its OWN culture and traditions - which while nobody is expecting migrants to become carbon copies, I think its key to successfully integrating into the wider host community that incomers make an effort to understand how we do things here, and accept it. If I moved to say, Dubai, I would do myself a favour and show respect to my hosts by refraining from flouting their cultural taboos in public, learning a little about their culture (Arabic being the most useful start - I believe agreeing to learn English should be a prerequisite for granting citizenship), and accepting that while I might find some aspects of their society distasteful I am a guest. If I don't like it there, I should go back home to my own culture. Also some long established immigrant communities here still choose to isolate and segregate themselves from the wider community - which isn't healthy IMO, and has caused much damage and mutual mistrust in many Northern towns and cities. Anyone who denies this as a fact is wearing blinkers. I have had Muslim friends, neighbours, co-workers, classmates and get on well with most of em - I've been helped out many times by local Asians and generally prefer to break down in (most) Asian areas than a mainly white one, because in all likelihood I end up being helped by a growing assortment of locals. But a lot of folk wouldn't see the good in the 'weird' folk who keep to themselves unless they're delivering your takeaway or on the till at Morrisons - without more integration folk on either side of the divide don't actually get to know each other well, weakening the community. Which allows poisoned worldviews like the BNP's and Lit's to take hold, particularly among the ignorant.
Does that make sense?
A lot of sense.
Some of my former countrymen chose to isolate themselves after moving from Finland to Sweden. After 30 odd years, they still don't speak the language well enough to get by.
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it's about culture, not race. i don't have a problem with people moving to a country if they are willing to adapt. if your culture is to be gross and threatening and violent, that's not cool. i don't give a shit what race you are i will kick your ass. --unless you are cute and hot of course. :P
Actually I would say it goes further than that - the boundaries are in essence more on civilisation lines. Needless to say though, we should only have immigrate here those who we integrate. Clearly what is going off in Sweden is immigration gone too far with the wrong groups of people - hence riots.
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:agreed:
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it's about culture, not race. i don't have a problem with people moving to a country if they are willing to adapt. if your culture is to be gross and threatening and violent, that's not cool. i don't give a shit what race you are i will kick your ass. --unless you are cute and hot of course. :P
Actually I would say it goes further than that - the boundaries are in essence more on civilisation lines. Needless to say though, we should only have immigrate here those who we integrate. Clearly what is going off in Sweden is immigration gone too far with the wrong groups of people - hence riots.
"Clearly"? You must have studied this in detail. Do enlighten us with an in-depth analysis, please.
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it's about culture, not race. i don't have a problem with people moving to a country if they are willing to adapt. if your culture is to be gross and threatening and violent, that's not cool. i don't give a shit what race you are i will kick your ass. --unless you are cute and hot of course. :P
Actually I would say it goes further than that - the boundaries are in essence more on civilisation lines. Needless to say though, we should only have immigrate here those who we integrate. Clearly what is going off in Sweden is immigration gone too far with the wrong groups of people - hence riots.
"Clearly"? You must have studied this in detail. Do enlighten us with an in-depth analysis, please.
Nice statistic if you scroll along this table - 56% Swedish respondents agreed with the statement that "Islamic fundamentalism is a serious threat for our country". See, even your country men agree with you. In fact Islamic immigration is so out of control that they have seen fit to issue a list of demands - including many good quotables:
http://www.sr.se/Diverse/AppData/Isidor/files/83/2113.pdf
All local authorities should arrange an evening of the week will be a women's evening and men in evening
gym och simhallen. gym and swimming pool. Hela hallen ska då vara öppen bara för kvinnor eller män medan övriga kväller är för The whole hall will be open only for women or men, while the other nights are for
båda könen. both sexes. I detta fall handlar det bland annat om att unga flickor från muslimska länder ska få This case is among other things, that young girls from Muslim countries will be
möjligheten att delta i simundervisning och därmed få godkänt betyg i gymnastik. the opportunity to participate in swimming and thereby obtain passing grades in gymnastics. Förutsättningar är att det Condition is that it
inte finns unga pojkar eller vuxna män i simhallen. are not young boys or adult men in the swimming pool.
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it's about culture, not race. i don't have a problem with people moving to a country if they are willing to adapt. if your culture is to be gross and threatening and violent, that's not cool. i don't give a shit what race you are i will kick your ass. --unless you are cute and hot of course. :P
Actually I would say it goes further than that - the boundaries are in essence more on civilisation lines. Needless to say though, we should only have immigrate here those who we integrate. Clearly what is going off in Sweden is immigration gone too far with the wrong groups of people - hence riots.
"Clearly"? You must have studied this in detail. Do enlighten us with an in-depth analysis, please.
Nice statistic if you scroll along this table - 56% Swedish respondents agreed with the statement that "Islamic fundamentalism is a serious threat for our country". See, even your country men agree with you. In fact Islamic immigration is so out of control that they have seen fit to issue a list of demands - including many good quotables:
http://www.sr.se/Diverse/AppData/Isidor/files/83/2113.pdf
All local authorities should arrange an evening of the week will be a women's evening and men in evening
gym och simhallen. gym and swimming pool. Hela hallen ska då vara öppen bara för kvinnor eller män medan övriga kväller är för The whole hall will be open only for women or men, while the other nights are for
båda könen. both sexes. I detta fall handlar det bland annat om att unga flickor från muslimska länder ska få This case is among other things, that young girls from Muslim countries will be
möjligheten att delta i simundervisning och därmed få godkänt betyg i gymnastik. the opportunity to participate in swimming and thereby obtain passing grades in gymnastics. Förutsättningar är att det Condition is that it
inte finns unga pojkar eller vuxna män i simhallen. are not young boys or adult men in the swimming pool.
odeon is a "liberal". He's blind when it comes to what the Swede on the street thinks about immigration. ::)
Well, the Nazis have a seat in many towns and communities and will most probably get into the parliament in 2010, at least the quasi-Nazi SD party.
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it's about culture, not race. i don't have a problem with people moving to a country if they are willing to adapt. if your culture is to be gross and threatening and violent, that's not cool. i don't give a shit what race you are i will kick your ass. --unless you are cute and hot of course. :P
Actually I would say it goes further than that - the boundaries are in essence more on civilisation lines. Needless to say though, we should only have immigrate here those who we integrate. Clearly what is going off in Sweden is immigration gone too far with the wrong groups of people - hence riots.
"Clearly"? You must have studied this in detail. Do enlighten us with an in-depth analysis, please.
Nice statistic if you scroll along this table - 56% Swedish respondents agreed with the statement that "Islamic fundamentalism is a serious threat for our country". See, even your country men agree with you. In fact Islamic immigration is so out of control that they have seen fit to issue a list of demands - including many good quotables:
http://www.sr.se/Diverse/AppData/Isidor/files/83/2113.pdf
All local authorities should arrange an evening of the week will be a women's evening and men in evening
gym och simhallen. gym and swimming pool. Hela hallen ska då vara öppen bara för kvinnor eller män medan övriga kväller är för The whole hall will be open only for women or men, while the other nights are for
båda könen. both sexes. I detta fall handlar det bland annat om att unga flickor från muslimska länder ska få This case is among other things, that young girls from Muslim countries will be
möjligheten att delta i simundervisning och därmed få godkänt betyg i gymnastik. the opportunity to participate in swimming and thereby obtain passing grades in gymnastics. Förutsättningar är att det Condition is that it
inte finns unga pojkar eller vuxna män i simhallen. are not young boys or adult men in the swimming pool.
odeon is a "liberal". He's blind when it comes to what the Swede on the street thinks about immigration. ::)
Yep - one of those who is quite happy to restrict the majorities freedoms so he can be subservient to a majority.
Well, the Nazis have a seat in many towns and communities and will most probably get into the parliament in 2010, at least the quasi-Nazi SD party.
Scary stuff really - the Nazi parties tend to be full of incredibly dim people blindly and abjectly subscribing to a poor choice of ideology. In a way themselves and the vast majority of the worlds Muslims have that in common.
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Not interested in this forum, then? Look at their smilies and custom titles, by the way. :green:
Nordisk.nu (http://www.nordisk.nu/index.php?langid=1)
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Not interested in this forum, then? Look at their smilies and custom titles, by the way. :green:
Nordisk.nu (http://www.nordisk.nu/index.php?langid=1)
My lack of language skills might put me off for one...
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There is some introduction in English. They have titles like "Supermoderator", "Knight", "Squire", "Reichsmarshall" and so on and smilies with German helmets. 8)
(http://www.nordisk.nu/images/smilies/soldat/soldiersmile.gif)
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There is some introduction in English. They have titles like "Supermoderator", "Knight", "Squire", "Reichsmarshall" and so on and smilies with German helmets. 8)
(http://www.nordisk.nu/images/smilies/soldat/soldiersmile.gif)
Since when has being Nordic meant being a Nazi...
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There is some introduction in English. They have titles like "Supermoderator", "Knight", "Squire", "Reichsmarshall" and so on and smilies with German helmets. 8)
(http://www.nordisk.nu/images/smilies/soldat/soldiersmile.gif)
Since when has being Nordic meant being a Nazi...
Nordic peoples are the "Aryans". We are ze Master Race. 8)
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Where did the gingers come from then? :zoinks:
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They're Neanderthals still alive. 8)
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Can you be worried about overcrowding, stretching of resources, lack of jobs etc, without being racist? Or should people always be for it, without raising concerns?
Well, if you are against immigration for these reasons and are not just picking out people who are non-white then I don't think you could justifiably be accused of racism.
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It's only common sens
it's about culture, not race. i don't have a problem with people moving to a country if they are willing to adapt. if your culture is to be gross and threatening and violent, that's not cool. i don't give a shit what race you are i will kick your ass. --unless you are cute and hot of course. :P
Totally agreed with bolded section. I'm not automatically prejudiced against members of any particular groups - in the most self-isolated communities you find individuals who accept that they have come to live in a country which has its OWN culture and traditions - which while nobody is expecting migrants to become carbon copies, I think its key to successfully integrating into the wider host community that incomers make an effort to understand how we do things here, and accept it. If I moved to say, Dubai, I would do myself a favour and show respect to my hosts by refraining from flouting their cultural taboos in public, learning a little about their culture (Arabic being the most useful start - I believe agreeing to learn English should be a prerequisite for granting citizenship), and accepting that while I might find some aspects of their society distasteful I am a guest. If I don't like it there, I should go back home to my own culture. Also some long established immigrant communities here still choose to isolate and segregate themselves from the wider community - which isn't healthy IMO, and has caused much damage and mutual mistrust in many Northern towns and cities. Anyone who denies this as a fact is wearing blinkers. I have had Muslim friends, neighbours, co-workers, classmates and get on well with most of em - I've been helped out many times by local Asians and generally prefer to break down in (most) Asian areas than a mainly white one, because in all likelihood I end up being helped by a growing assortment of locals. But a lot of folk wouldn't see the good in the 'weird' folk who keep to themselves unless they're delivering your takeaway or on the till at Morrisons - without more integration folk on either side of the divide don't actually get to know each other well, weakening the community. Which allows poisoned worldviews like the BNP's and Lit's to take hold, particularly among the ignorant.
Does that make sense?
A lot of sense.
Some of my former countrymen chose to isolate themselves after moving from Finland to Sweden. After 30 odd years, they still don't speak the language well enough to get by.
It's only commonsense to at least try and learn the language in your adopted country - at least enough to get by.
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it's about culture, not race. i don't have a problem with people moving to a country if they are willing to adapt. if your culture is to be gross and threatening and violent, that's not cool. i don't give a shit what race you are i will kick your ass. --unless you are cute and hot of course. :P
Actually I would say it goes further than that - the boundaries are in essence more on civilisation lines. Needless to say though, we should only have immigrate here those who we integrate. Clearly what is going off in Sweden is immigration gone too far with the wrong groups of people - hence riots.
"Clearly"? You must have studied this in detail. Do enlighten us with an in-depth analysis, please.
Nice statistic if you scroll along this table - 56% Swedish respondents agreed with the statement that "Islamic fundamentalism is a serious threat for our country". See, even your country men agree with you. In fact Islamic immigration is so out of control that they have seen fit to issue a list of demands - including many good quotables:
http://www.sr.se/Diverse/AppData/Isidor/files/83/2113.pdf
Apart form everything else, what does this have to do with the situation at Rosengård? I was asking for your enlightened in-depth analysis, not some googled PDF that, while quotable, is largely irrelevant.
All local authorities should arrange an evening of the week will be a women's evening and men in evening
gym och simhallen. gym and swimming pool. Hela hallen ska då vara öppen bara för kvinnor eller män medan övriga kväller är för The whole hall will be open only for women or men, while the other nights are for
båda könen. both sexes. I detta fall handlar det bland annat om att unga flickor från muslimska länder ska få This case is among other things, that young girls from Muslim countries will be
möjligheten att delta i simundervisning och därmed få godkänt betyg i gymnastik. the opportunity to participate in swimming and thereby obtain passing grades in gymnastics. Förutsättningar är att det Condition is that it
inte finns unga pojkar eller vuxna män i simhallen. are not young boys or adult men in the swimming pool.
Do you know *anything* about Rosengård, Hadron? Anything at all?
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it's about culture, not race. i don't have a problem with people moving to a country if they are willing to adapt. if your culture is to be gross and threatening and violent, that's not cool. i don't give a shit what race you are i will kick your ass. --unless you are cute and hot of course. :P
Actually I would say it goes further than that - the boundaries are in essence more on civilisation lines. Needless to say though, we should only have immigrate here those who we integrate. Clearly what is going off in Sweden is immigration gone too far with the wrong groups of people - hence riots.
"Clearly"? You must have studied this in detail. Do enlighten us with an in-depth analysis, please.
Nice statistic if you scroll along this table - 56% Swedish respondents agreed with the statement that "Islamic fundamentalism is a serious threat for our country". See, even your country men agree with you. In fact Islamic immigration is so out of control that they have seen fit to issue a list of demands - including many good quotables:
http://www.sr.se/Diverse/AppData/Isidor/files/83/2113.pdf
All local authorities should arrange an evening of the week will be a women's evening and men in evening
gym och simhallen. gym and swimming pool. Hela hallen ska då vara öppen bara för kvinnor eller män medan övriga kväller är för The whole hall will be open only for women or men, while the other nights are for
båda könen. both sexes. I detta fall handlar det bland annat om att unga flickor från muslimska länder ska få This case is among other things, that young girls from Muslim countries will be
möjligheten att delta i simundervisning och därmed få godkänt betyg i gymnastik. the opportunity to participate in swimming and thereby obtain passing grades in gymnastics. Förutsättningar är att det Condition is that it
inte finns unga pojkar eller vuxna män i simhallen. are not young boys or adult men in the swimming pool.
odeon is a "liberal". He's blind when it comes to what the Swede on the street thinks about immigration. ::)
You're the blind one, Lit. Unfortunately you'll be just about the last to realise it. ::)
Well, the Nazis have a seat in many towns and communities and will most probably get into the parliament in 2010, at least the quasi-Nazi SD party.
I find that very unlikely, but seeing how it is your wet dream, keep on dreaming.
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Not interested in this forum, then? Look at their smilies and custom titles, by the way. :green:
Nordisk.nu (http://www.nordisk.nu/index.php?langid=1)
Do that for us, please. Make a short list of those you hate to start.
Mine first. Which titles are you against?
BTW, you are showing again your naivete if you think that the Nazis are not among the card players in all our governments.
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it's about culture, not race. i don't have a problem with people moving to a country if they are willing to adapt. if your culture is to be gross and threatening and violent, that's not cool. i don't give a shit what race you are i will kick your ass. --unless you are cute and hot of course. :P
Actually I would say it goes further than that - the boundaries are in essence more on civilisation lines. Needless to say though, we should only have immigrate here those who we integrate. Clearly what is going off in Sweden is immigration gone too far with the wrong groups of people - hence riots.
"Clearly"? You must have studied this in detail. Do enlighten us with an in-depth analysis, please.
Nice statistic if you scroll along this table - 56% Swedish respondents agreed with the statement that "Islamic fundamentalism is a serious threat for our country". See, even your country men agree with you. In fact Islamic immigration is so out of control that they have seen fit to issue a list of demands - including many good quotables:
http://www.sr.se/Diverse/AppData/Isidor/files/83/2113.pdf
Apart form everything else, what does this have to do with the situation at Rosengård? I was asking for your enlightened in-depth analysis, not some googled PDF that, while quotable, is largely irrelevant.
All local authorities should arrange an evening of the week will be a women's evening and men in evening
gym och simhallen. gym and swimming pool. Hela hallen ska då vara öppen bara för kvinnor eller män medan övriga kväller är för The whole hall will be open only for women or men, while the other nights are for
båda könen. both sexes. I detta fall handlar det bland annat om att unga flickor från muslimska länder ska få This case is among other things, that young girls from Muslim countries will be
möjligheten att delta i simundervisning och därmed få godkänt betyg i gymnastik. the opportunity to participate in swimming and thereby obtain passing grades in gymnastics. Förutsättningar är att det Condition is that it
inte finns unga pojkar eller vuxna män i simhallen. are not young boys or adult men in the swimming pool.
Do you know *anything* about Rosengård, Hadron? Anything at all?
You miss the point as ever. It happens in one place in a nation then spreads - but asides I know the situation there. Asides - I found the PDF through JSTOR :)
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it's about culture, not race. i don't have a problem with people moving to a country if they are willing to adapt. if your culture is to be gross and threatening and violent, that's not cool. i don't give a shit what race you are i will kick your ass. --unless you are cute and hot of course. :P
Actually I would say it goes further than that - the boundaries are in essence more on civilisation lines. Needless to say though, we should only have immigrate here those who we integrate. Clearly what is going off in Sweden is immigration gone too far with the wrong groups of people - hence riots.
"Clearly"? You must have studied this in detail. Do enlighten us with an in-depth analysis, please.
Nice statistic if you scroll along this table - 56% Swedish respondents agreed with the statement that "Islamic fundamentalism is a serious threat for our country". See, even your country men agree with you. In fact Islamic immigration is so out of control that they have seen fit to issue a list of demands - including many good quotables:
http://www.sr.se/Diverse/AppData/Isidor/files/83/2113.pdf
Apart form everything else, what does this have to do with the situation at Rosengård? I was asking for your enlightened in-depth analysis, not some googled PDF that, while quotable, is largely irrelevant.
All local authorities should arrange an evening of the week will be a women's evening and men in evening
gym och simhallen. gym and swimming pool. Hela hallen ska då vara öppen bara för kvinnor eller män medan övriga kväller är för The whole hall will be open only for women or men, while the other nights are for
båda könen. both sexes. I detta fall handlar det bland annat om att unga flickor från muslimska länder ska få This case is among other things, that young girls from Muslim countries will be
möjligheten att delta i simundervisning och därmed få godkänt betyg i gymnastik. the opportunity to participate in swimming and thereby obtain passing grades in gymnastics. Förutsättningar är att det Condition is that it
inte finns unga pojkar eller vuxna män i simhallen. are not young boys or adult men in the swimming pool.
Do you know *anything* about Rosengård, Hadron? Anything at all?
You miss the point as ever. It happens in one place in a nation then spreads - but asides I know the situation there. Asides - I found the PDF through JSTOR :)
In other words, you don't know. I was not referring to just the current situation but what has preceded it, as well as a place called Rosengård. This did not happen over night, you know. (No, I guess you probably don't.)
Your quote, above, makes my point clear to anyone who actually knows--or is prepared to do his homework.
I'm wasting my time with you.
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it's about culture, not race. i don't have a problem with people moving to a country if they are willing to adapt. if your culture is to be gross and threatening and violent, that's not cool. i don't give a shit what race you are i will kick your ass. --unless you are cute and hot of course. :P
Actually I would say it goes further than that - the boundaries are in essence more on civilisation lines. Needless to say though, we should only have immigrate here those who we integrate. Clearly what is going off in Sweden is immigration gone too far with the wrong groups of people - hence riots.
"Clearly"? You must have studied this in detail. Do enlighten us with an in-depth analysis, please.
Nice statistic if you scroll along this table - 56% Swedish respondents agreed with the statement that "Islamic fundamentalism is a serious threat for our country". See, even your country men agree with you. In fact Islamic immigration is so out of control that they have seen fit to issue a list of demands - including many good quotables:
http://www.sr.se/Diverse/AppData/Isidor/files/83/2113.pdf
Apart form everything else, what does this have to do with the situation at Rosengård? I was asking for your enlightened in-depth analysis, not some googled PDF that, while quotable, is largely irrelevant.
All local authorities should arrange an evening of the week will be a women's evening and men in evening
gym och simhallen. gym and swimming pool. Hela hallen ska då vara öppen bara för kvinnor eller män medan övriga kväller är för The whole hall will be open only for women or men, while the other nights are for
båda könen. both sexes. I detta fall handlar det bland annat om att unga flickor från muslimska länder ska få This case is among other things, that young girls from Muslim countries will be
möjligheten att delta i simundervisning och därmed få godkänt betyg i gymnastik. the opportunity to participate in swimming and thereby obtain passing grades in gymnastics. Förutsättningar är att det Condition is that it
inte finns unga pojkar eller vuxna män i simhallen. are not young boys or adult men in the swimming pool.
Do you know *anything* about Rosengård, Hadron? Anything at all?
You miss the point as ever. It happens in one place in a nation then spreads - but asides I know the situation there. Asides - I found the PDF through JSTOR :)
In other words, you don't know. I was not referring to just the current situation but what has preceded it, as well as a place called Rosengård. This did not happen over night, you know. (No, I guess you probably don't.)
No - but the changes have happened at a rapid rate.
Your quote, above, makes my point clear to anyone who actually knows--or is prepared to do his homework.
I'm wasting my time with you.
::)
Yes I have had to descend to your style (or lack of it) - not exactly a good use of time is it?
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No - but the changes have happened at a rapid rate.
In other words, you don't know anything about Rosengård and just admitted as much.
You're doing the "dim" part very well, you know.
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No - but the changes have happened at a rapid rate.
In other words, you don't know anything about Rosengård and just admitted as much.
You're doing the "dim" part very well, you know.
I don't need to know about exact examples to see the general mess you have.
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No - but the changes have happened at a rapid rate.
In other words, you don't know anything about Rosengård and just admitted as much.
You're doing the "dim" part very well, you know.
I don't need to know very much about anything to spout off as though i do.
fixed.
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No - but the changes have happened at a rapid rate.
In other words, you don't know anything about Rosengård and just admitted as much.
You're doing the "dim" part very well, you know.
What does he have to know except what he can see for himself? That the place has the ironic name "Rose Garden" in Swedish and that it's a pus pool of dirt from the shittiest part of Europe and, above all, the Middle East, and a caliphate-to-be on Swedish soil if no-one stops it?
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it's about culture, not race. i don't have a problem with people moving to a country if they are willing to adapt. if your culture is to be gross and threatening and violent, that's not cool. i don't give a shit what race you are i will kick your ass. --unless you are cute and hot of course. :P
Actually I would say it goes further than that - the boundaries are in essence more on civilisation lines. Needless to say though, we should only have immigrate here those who we integrate. Clearly what is going off in Sweden is immigration gone too far with the wrong groups of people - hence riots.
"Clearly"? You must have studied this in detail. Do enlighten us with an in-depth analysis, please.
Nice statistic if you scroll along this table - 56% Swedish respondents agreed with the statement that "Islamic fundamentalism is a serious threat for our country". See, even your country men agree with you. In fact Islamic immigration is so out of control that they have seen fit to issue a list of demands - including many good quotables:
http://www.sr.se/Diverse/AppData/Isidor/files/83/2113.pdf
Apart form everything else, what does this have to do with the situation at Rosengård? I was asking for your enlightened in-depth analysis, not some googled PDF that, while quotable, is largely irrelevant.
All local authorities should arrange an evening of the week will be a women's evening and men in evening
gym och simhallen. gym and swimming pool. Hela hallen ska då vara öppen bara för kvinnor eller män medan övriga kväller är för The whole hall will be open only for women or men, while the other nights are for
båda könen. both sexes. I detta fall handlar det bland annat om att unga flickor från muslimska länder ska få This case is among other things, that young girls from Muslim countries will be
möjligheten att delta i simundervisning och därmed få godkänt betyg i gymnastik. the opportunity to participate in swimming and thereby obtain passing grades in gymnastics. Förutsättningar är att det Condition is that it
inte finns unga pojkar eller vuxna män i simhallen. are not young boys or adult men in the swimming pool.
Do you know *anything* about Rosengård, Hadron? Anything at all?
You miss the point as ever. It happens in one place in a nation then spreads - but asides I know the situation there. Asides - I found the PDF through JSTOR :)
In other words, you don't know. I was not referring to just the current situation but what has preceded it, as well as a place called Rosengård. This did not happen over night, you know. (No, I guess you probably don't.)
Your quote, above, makes my point clear to anyone who actually knows--or is prepared to do his homework.
I'm wasting my time with you.
This happened because Swedish governments for over 30 years dragged tens of thousands of foreigners to Sweden, in the latest years up to 100000/year, without asking the Swedish people if we wanted it or not and without considering the consequences.
Unfortunately this far just one high Swedish politician has gotten what she deserved for this policy, but hopefully the Muslims will attack the parliament building and government residence when they have grown many enough and feel confident enough.
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We thank our beloved politicians for the lovely enrichment of dull Sweden. A nice mosque in Rosengård instead of those boring churches.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Mosque_Malm%C3%B6.jpg)
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Ours looks better; your one looks like it was built in a bombing range. This one is on the bus route I take to get into the city centre.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_Central_Mosque
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Edinburgh has an even nicer one.
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Congratulations. "Your" mosques really look like the ones in Saudi Arabia.
And I found that "bombing range" comment hilarious. :green:
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The construction of the Edinburgh one was 90% funded by the kind of Saudi Arabia.
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I'm not surprised. Allah akbar!
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We need a nice one, too, like the one in Edinburgh.
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We need a nice one, too, like the one in Edinburgh.
or we could just visit edinburgh, eh? :eyelash:
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We need a nice one, too, like the one in Edinburgh.
or we could just visit edinburgh, eh? :eyelash:
Aye, that we could. ;D
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We need a nice one, too, like the one in Edinburgh.
or we could just visit edinburgh, eh? :eyelash:
Aye, that we could. ;D
:laugh:
race you!
(oooh, what an apt thing to say in this thread! :LMAO: )
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:laugh: :plus:
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mosques are much prettier than churches.
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mosques are much prettier than churches.
I my opinion not much beats a nice Gothic church. Also mosques because of where they are from seem to love stucco which i hate
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mosques are much prettier than churches.
Many older churches are very nice. I don't care for most of the modern ones.
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mosques are much prettier than churches.
Inside them or outside them?
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mosques are much prettier than churches.
Inside them or outside them?
Modern churches? Both, I'd say.
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mosques are much prettier than churches.
Inside them or outside them?
Modern churches? Both, I'd say.
Modern churches force only one strong emotional response in me.
:puke:
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mosques are much prettier than churches.
Inside them or outside them?
Modern churches? Both, I'd say.
Modern churches force only one strong emotional response in me.
:puke:
you're never closer to the divine than when in a warehouse full of happy-clappers.
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mosques are much prettier than churches.
Inside them or outside them?
Modern churches? Both, I'd say.
Modern churches force only one strong emotional response in me.
:puke:
you're never closer to the divine than when in a warehouse full of happy-clappers.
QFT
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The church in Lysekil, not very far from me, built around 1900 by drawings from Adrian Petterson; the Cathedral in Lund, built in the 11th Century; the church in Old Uppsala, built in the 12 Century on a place where the early Swedes worshipped Odin and Tor. I have had sex against its wall. 8)
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The one in Uppsala is fabulous.
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The church in Lysekil, not very far from me, built around 1900 by drawings from Adrian Petterson; the Cathedral in Lund, built in the 11th Century; the church in Old Uppsala, built in the 12 Century on a place where the early Swedes worshipped Odin and Tor. I have had sex against its wall. 8)
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=10401.0;attach=7832;image
gorgeous.
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Maybe its a cultural thing, but mosques usually leave me cold.
Anyway, here's Bradford Cathedral - the current building is 16th century, but parts date back to the 7th:
(http://www.picturesofengland.com/img/L/1008210.jpg)
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/138/322526801_65c07ae57f.jpg?v=0)
And York Minster:
(http://www.pictures-of-york.com/york-minster/york-minster.jpg)
(http://www.freefoto.com/images/1051/43/1051_43_60---Rose-Window--York-Minster_web.jpg)
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i think the colorfulonion tops are pretty.
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The cathedral in Cologne. It's BRAVE. 8)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/0/07/20080802055114!K%C3%B6lner_Dom_um_1900.jpg)
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It's a gothic masterpiece.
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I forgot to add - I would support deportation of migrants who commit serious offences. We have enough arseholes of our own in England without looking after anyone else's. And if that's not PC enough you can kiss my arse.
"PC" is a poison, if you ask me. and i agree with you.
:orly:
I hade no idea that Lucifer was this woke.
Perhaps we can get her posting again. :apondering:
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I'd prefer avoiding that.
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I forgot to add - I would support deportation of migrants who commit serious offences. We have enough arseholes of our own in England without looking after anyone else's. And if that's not PC enough you can kiss my arse.
"PC" is a poison, if you ask me. and i agree with you.
:orly:
I hade no idea that Lucifer was this woke.
Perhaps we can get her posting again. :apondering:
do her and duncvis still have a forum anywhere?
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I forgot to add - I would support deportation of migrants who commit serious offences. We have enough arseholes of our own in England without looking after anyone else's. And if that's not PC enough you can kiss my arse.
"PC" is a poison, if you ask me. and i agree with you.
:orly:
I hade no idea that Lucifer was this woke.
Perhaps we can get her posting again. :apondering:
do her and duncvis still have a forum anywhere?
Dunc ended the Drivel a few years ago.
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I forgot to add - I would support deportation of migrants who commit serious offences. We have enough arseholes of our own in England without looking after anyone else's. And if that's not PC enough you can kiss my arse.
"PC" is a poison, if you ask me. and i agree with you.
:orly:
I hade no idea that Lucifer was this woke.
Perhaps we can get her posting again. :apondering:
do her and duncvis still have a forum anywhere?
You might be confusing her with PurposefulInsanity, who is Dunc's wife.
Lucifer was odeon's extra-marital fling. He lied to and manipulated her which incensed Peaguy because he considered her a friend.
Peaguy responded by sending a letter to oden's wife telling her of the affair.
The rest is I^2 history. :M
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I remember who they are - I didn't mean that Lucifer owned the site, just that there was a group of old WP friends together, and Dunc, Mel and Lucifer are the only names I can remember of that group. Yes, Drivel was the one. I'd love to see that bunch again somewhere. I'd forgotton how peaguy sent the letter. I actually ran into Pea again on the troll forum Kiwi Farms, last year.
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Dunc and Mel are ok, last I heard on FB. Not that long ago!
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I remember who they are - I didn't mean that Lucifer owned the site, just that there was a group of old WP friends together, and Dunc, Mel and Lucifer are the only names I can remember of that group. Yes, Drivel was the one. I'd love to see that bunch again somewhere. I'd forgotton how peaguy sent the letter. I actually ran into Pea again on the troll forum Kiwi Farms, last year.
I keep in semi-regular contact with Pea. I have not been in contact with Mel or Lucifer for years. Duncs visited her for a while but has left again. Duncs Drivel was good.
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I remember who they are - I didn't mean that Lucifer owned the site, just that there was a group of old WP friends together, and Dunc, Mel and Lucifer are the only names I can remember of that group. Yes, Drivel was the one. I'd love to see that bunch again somewhere. I'd forgotton how peaguy sent the letter. I actually ran into Pea again on the troll forum Kiwi Farms, last year.
I keep in semi-regular contact with Pea. I have not been in contact with Mel or Lucifer for years. Duncs visited her for a while but has left again. Duncs Drivel was good.
Yeah, the Drivel was a great place. I am in contact with Pea and Lucifer. Mel, is spotty on FB and so is Dunc!