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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Natalia Evans on November 10, 2008, 12:48:21 PM
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I have been wanting to post this:
When Obama won, some people threw a fit because they wanted McCain to win.
http://abdlstoryforum.myfastforum.org/ftopic1745-0-asc-20.php
A guy named Todd (someone I have known for 5 years now) threw a fit about it. Started a drama all right.
And he did it at the other forum too but there was no drama this time.
http://wohrock.com/IABDL/index.php?topic=397.msg1918#new
One of my online friends told me last night his parents threw a fit about it but then they got over it. I remember throwing a fit when Bush won again but this year I had decided I wasn't going to throw another fit if McCain wins. I said on WP I would flee off to London if he does which is doubt I will do. Ratime started a poll on there asking if he should flee off to Australia if Obama wins. Todd said the same thing he would do that if he had the capital (whatever that means). God what is it with Australia? What about Canada or the UK?
So does anyone know anyone or heard about anyone throwing a fit about Obama winning?
I know Trigger11 mentioned about it in the "Just One Quick Bitch" thread.
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I would have preferred Hillary Clinton, but I did not throw a fit about it. I wish she had been Obama's running mate instead of Joe Biden, because I think she would have done a better job fixing health care.
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Somehow I am getting the feeling even Bush wanted Obama to win. After all he did make it all possible.
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http://www.theonion.com/content/video/obama_win_causes_obsessive
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Throwing a fit doesn't change what happened, might as well adapt to it, look on the bright side.
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what bright side ?
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We lived through the rest of them we will survive Obama as we would have survived McCain.
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what bright side ?
Obama is almost certainly going to go down in the history books up with Abe Lincoln. He will be an amazing president.
We lived through the rest of them we will survive Obama as we would have survived McCain.
Survive? Obama will do more than that for America - he will bring the nation so far forward.
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what bright side ?
Obama is almost certainly going to go down in the history books up with Abe Lincoln. He will be an amazing president.
We lived through the rest of them we will survive Obama as we would have survived McCain.
Survive? Obama will do more than that for America - he will bring the nation so far forward.
I am glad he won but we have yet to see how he will do. My hopes are that he will, my expectations are it will be Washington as usual, my fears are losing more rights and paying more taxes
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what bright side ?
Obama is almost certainly going to go down in the history books up with Abe Lincoln. He will be an amazing president.
We lived through the rest of them we will survive Obama as we would have survived McCain.
Survive? Obama will do more than that for America - he will bring the nation so far forward.
:agreed: :indeed: :headbang2:
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what bright side ?
Obama is almost certainly going to go down in the history books up with Abe Lincoln. He will be an amazing president.
We lived through the rest of them we will survive Obama as we would have survived McCain.
Survive? Obama will do more than that for America - he will bring the nation so far forward.
I am glad he won but we have yet to see how he will do. My hopes are that he will, my expectations are it will be Washington as usual, my fears are losing more rights and paying more taxes
Paying more taxes isn't necessarily a bad thing imo and some of these "rights" really shouldn't be there at all. I would love to see the US become socialist.
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abe Lincoln ?
another civil war wouldn't surprise me at all as the red states get tired of being taxed up the ass by the going bankrupt blue states and the body count is sure to exceed Lincolns slaughter.
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what bright side ?
Obama is almost certainly going to go down in the history books up with Abe Lincoln. He will be an amazing president.
We lived through the rest of them we will survive Obama as we would have survived McCain.
Survive? Obama will do more than that for America - he will bring the nation so far forward.
I am glad he won but we have yet to see how he will do. My hopes are that he will, my expectations are it will be Washington as usual, my fears are losing more rights and paying more taxes
Paying more taxes isn't necessarily a bad thing imo and some of these "rights" really shouldn't be there at all. I would love to see the US become socialist.
EKK
you don't live here.. WE DON"T WANT THAT..
Come on johnny help with this one
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abe Lincoln ?
another civil war wouldn't surprise me at all as the red states get tired of being taxed up the ass by the going bankrupt blue states and the body count is sure to exceed Lincolns slaughter.
A good cull of evangelical "Christian" Republican supporters would be brilliant - it should have happened decades ago.
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what bright side ?
Obama is almost certainly going to go down in the history books up with Abe Lincoln. He will be an amazing president.
We lived through the rest of them we will survive Obama as we would have survived McCain.
Survive? Obama will do more than that for America - he will bring the nation so far forward.
I am glad he won but we have yet to see how he will do. My hopes are that he will, my expectations are it will be Washington as usual, my fears are losing more rights and paying more taxes
Paying more taxes isn't necessarily a bad thing imo and some of these "rights" really shouldn't be there at all. I would love to see the US become socialist.
EKK
you don't live here.. WE DON"T WANT THAT..
Come on johnny help with this one
I live in the rest of the world - who want the US to get its act together and stop destroying the global economy and other countries. Plus most of my irl American friends agree with me on this.
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exactly. america affects all of us in the world.
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abe Lincoln ?
another civil war wouldn't surprise me at all as the red states get tired of being taxed up the ass by the going bankrupt blue states and the body count is sure to exceed Lincolns slaughter.
A good cull of evangelical "Christian" Republican supporters would be brilliant - it should have happened decades ago.
I agree on this with you on one
what bright side ?
Obama is almost certainly going to go down in the history books up with Abe Lincoln. He will be an amazing president.
We lived through the rest of them we will survive Obama as we would have survived McCain.
Survive? Obama will do more than that for America - he will bring the nation so far forward.
I am glad he won but we have yet to see how he will do. My hopes are that he will, my expectations are it will be Washington as usual, my fears are losing more rights and paying more taxes
Paying more taxes isn't necessarily a bad thing imo and some of these "rights" really shouldn't be there at all. I would love to see the US become socialist.
EKK
you don't live here.. WE DON"T WANT THAT..
Come on johnny help with this one
I live in the rest of the world - who want the US to get its act together and stop destroying the global economy and other countries. Plus most of my irl American friends agree with me on this.
well they are a minority. I'd like them to get there act together and move to a more libertarian form of government
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abe Lincoln ?
another civil war wouldn't surprise me at all as the red states get tired of being taxed up the ass by the going bankrupt blue states and the body count is sure to exceed Lincolns slaughter.
A good cull of evangelical "Christian" Republican supporters would be brilliant - it should have happened decades ago.
I agree on this with you on one
what bright side ?
Obama is almost certainly going to go down in the history books up with Abe Lincoln. He will be an amazing president.
We lived through the rest of them we will survive Obama as we would have survived McCain.
Survive? Obama will do more than that for America - he will bring the nation so far forward.
I am glad he won but we have yet to see how he will do. My hopes are that he will, my expectations are it will be Washington as usual, my fears are losing more rights and paying more taxes
Paying more taxes isn't necessarily a bad thing imo and some of these "rights" really shouldn't be there at all. I would love to see the US become socialist.
EKK
you don't live here.. WE DON"T WANT THAT..
Come on johnny help with this one
I live in the rest of the world - who want the US to get its act together and stop destroying the global economy and other countries. Plus most of my irl American friends agree with me on this.
well they are a minority. I'd like them to get there act together and move to a more libertarian form of government
Nah - you want a safety net if either you or your children fall ill. Libertarianism is just leaving everyone to fend for themselves - which is no good for most Aspies.
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what bright side ?
Obama is almost certainly going to go down in the history books up with Abe Lincoln. He will be an amazing president.
We lived through the rest of them we will survive Obama as we would have survived McCain.
Survive? Obama will do more than that for America - he will bring the nation so far forward.
I am glad he won but we have yet to see how he will do. My hopes are that he will, my expectations are it will be Washington as usual, my fears are losing more rights and paying more taxes
Paying more taxes isn't necessarily a bad thing imo and some of these "rights" really shouldn't be there at all. I would love to see the US become socialist.
:LMAO:
... at every part of that bullshit.
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abe Lincoln ?
another civil war wouldn't surprise me at all as the red states get tired of being taxed up the ass by the going bankrupt blue states and the body count is sure to exceed Lincolns slaughter.
A good cull of evangelical "Christian" Republican supporters would be brilliant - it should have happened decades ago.
I agree on this with you on one
what bright side ?
Obama is almost certainly going to go down in the history books up with Abe Lincoln. He will be an amazing president.
We lived through the rest of them we will survive Obama as we would have survived McCain.
Survive? Obama will do more than that for America - he will bring the nation so far forward.
I am glad he won but we have yet to see how he will do. My hopes are that he will, my expectations are it will be Washington as usual, my fears are losing more rights and paying more taxes
Paying more taxes isn't necessarily a bad thing imo and some of these "rights" really shouldn't be there at all. I would love to see the US become socialist.
EKK
you don't live here.. WE DON"T WANT THAT..
Come on johnny help with this one
I live in the rest of the world - who want the US to get its act together and stop destroying the global economy and other countries. Plus most of my irl American friends agree with me on this.
well they are a minority. I'd like them to get there act together and move to a more libertarian form of government
Nah - you want a safety net if either you or your children fall ill. Libertarianism is just leaving everyone to fend for themselves - which is no good for most Aspies.
I would prefer that safety net not be government controlled they fuck up everything. People should be more responsible and help when they can I do. Letting the government control everything just gets them too much into everyone lives
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what bright side ?
Obama is almost certainly going to go down in the history books up with Abe Lincoln. He will be an amazing president.
We lived through the rest of them we will survive Obama as we would have survived McCain.
Survive? Obama will do more than that for America - he will bring the nation so far forward.
I am glad he won but we have yet to see how he will do. My hopes are that he will, my expectations are it will be Washington as usual, my fears are losing more rights and paying more taxes
Paying more taxes isn't necessarily a bad thing imo and some of these "rights" really shouldn't be there at all. I would love to see the US become socialist.
:LMAO:
... at every part of that bullshit.
You kind of wonder why European societies have few people in poverty, don't have their ceo's earning 500-1000 times as much as the average worker and so on. The fact is - you, the average US citizen would be so much better off under a socialist system than the current one. Do you want your kids to have good healthcare, education and opportunities or not?
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abe Lincoln ?
another civil war wouldn't surprise me at all as the red states get tired of being taxed up the ass by the going bankrupt blue states and the body count is sure to exceed Lincolns slaughter.
A good cull of evangelical "Christian" Republican supporters would be brilliant - it should have happened decades ago.
I agree on this with you on one
what bright side ?
Obama is almost certainly going to go down in the history books up with Abe Lincoln. He will be an amazing president.
We lived through the rest of them we will survive Obama as we would have survived McCain.
Survive? Obama will do more than that for America - he will bring the nation so far forward.
I am glad he won but we have yet to see how he will do. My hopes are that he will, my expectations are it will be Washington as usual, my fears are losing more rights and paying more taxes
Paying more taxes isn't necessarily a bad thing imo and some of these "rights" really shouldn't be there at all. I would love to see the US become socialist.
EKK
you don't live here.. WE DON"T WANT THAT..
Come on johnny help with this one
I live in the rest of the world - who want the US to get its act together and stop destroying the global economy and other countries. Plus most of my irl American friends agree with me on this.
well they are a minority. I'd like them to get there act together and move to a more libertarian form of government
Nah - you want a safety net if either you or your children fall ill. Libertarianism is just leaving everyone to fend for themselves - which is no good for most Aspies.
I would prefer that safety net not be government controlled they fuck up everything. People should be more responsible and help when they can I do. Letting the government control everything just gets them too much into everyone lives
If your fellow citizens voted in a democratic majority in the senate time after time - then eventually you would get a government for the people who would not screw everything up. The other option is to move to Denmark I guess...
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what bright side ?
Obama is almost certainly going to go down in the history books up with Abe Lincoln. He will be an amazing president.
We lived through the rest of them we will survive Obama as we would have survived McCain.
Survive? Obama will do more than that for America - he will bring the nation so far forward.
I am glad he won but we have yet to see how he will do. My hopes are that he will, my expectations are it will be Washington as usual, my fears are losing more rights and paying more taxes
Paying more taxes isn't necessarily a bad thing imo and some of these "rights" really shouldn't be there at all. I would love to see the US become socialist.
EKK
you don't live here.. WE DON"T WANT THAT..
Come on johnny help with this one
Teen pregnancy rates remain high in the U.S. despite a steady decline since 1991. Three out of every 40 teenagers become pregnant before the age of 20.[1] Pregnancy affects minority women disproportionately: African American/black and Latina women experience rates that are up to 2.8 times higher than that of white women.[1] In fact, 58% of black women and half of all Latina women become pregnant at least once before the age of 20.[2,3] These figures indicate that teen pregnancy remains a serious problem, especially for young women in these two groups.
Teen mothers account for 11% of all births in the US.
US teen pregnancy rates are higher than those of other developed countries.
US rates are twice as high as in England and Wales or Canada, and eight times as high as in the Netherlands or Japan.
We The People are tired of supporting the morons an their off spring for decades who probably account for most of the so called poverty in the country.
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what bright side ?
Obama is almost certainly going to go down in the history books up with Abe Lincoln. He will be an amazing president.
We lived through the rest of them we will survive Obama as we would have survived McCain.
Survive? Obama will do more than that for America - he will bring the nation so far forward.
I am glad he won but we have yet to see how he will do. My hopes are that he will, my expectations are it will be Washington as usual, my fears are losing more rights and paying more taxes
Paying more taxes isn't necessarily a bad thing imo and some of these "rights" really shouldn't be there at all. I would love to see the US become socialist.
:LMAO:
... at every part of that bullshit.
You kind of wonder why European societies have few people in poverty, don't have their ceo's earning 500-1000 times as much as the average worker and so on. The fact is - you, the average US citizen would be so much better off under a socialist system than the current one. Do you want your kids to have good healthcare, education and opportunities or not?
what people in poverty ? with the housing vouchers, food vouchers, health care vouches and everything else they are only listed as living below the poverty level because of the size of their paycheck which doesn't account for all the handouts.
It's as stupid as saying a millionaires kids is living in poverty because he has no money and ignoring the fact his parents take care of him. The so called poor in this country have Uncle Sugar supplying the food & shelter & medical care so aren't poor by any means, just dysfunctional an unable to manage their own life and we pay the overhead for the army of government babysitters that run their lives because they are too lazy too.
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what bright side ?
Obama is almost certainly going to go down in the history books up with Abe Lincoln. He will be an amazing president.
We lived through the rest of them we will survive Obama as we would have survived McCain.
Survive? Obama will do more than that for America - he will bring the nation so far forward.
I am glad he won but we have yet to see how he will do. My hopes are that he will, my expectations are it will be Washington as usual, my fears are losing more rights and paying more taxes
Paying more taxes isn't necessarily a bad thing imo and some of these "rights" really shouldn't be there at all. I would love to see the US become socialist.
:LMAO:
... at every part of that bullshit.
You kind of wonder why European societies have few people in poverty, don't have their ceo's earning 500-1000 times as much as the average worker and so on. The fact is - you, the average US citizen would be so much better off under a socialist system than the current one. Do you want your kids to have good healthcare, education and opportunities or not?
what people in poverty ? with the housing vouchers, food vouchers, health care vouches and everything else they are only listed as living below the poverty level because of the size of their paycheck which doesn't account for all the handouts.
Go and live that lifestyle if it is so good. Thought not? But if you want an example of your own social injustice - look how much every person is expected to spend on their college education. How about you ask Tesla about his recent $5000 medical bill. It would never happen in Europe.
It's as stupid as saying a millionaires kids is living in poverty because he has no money and ignoring the fact his parents take care of him. The so called poor in this country have Uncle Sugar supplying the food & shelter & medical care so aren't poor by any means, just dysfunctional an unable to manage their own life and we pay the overhead for the army of government babysitters that run their lives because they are too lazy too.
So basically if people get sick - leave them to rot? What if the same were to happen to you. Its time you all quit dreaming about that Horatio Alger myth and collectively gained some humanity as a nation. With Obama in charge - hopefully your nation might take a step in the right direction.
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what bright side ?
Obama is almost certainly going to go down in the history books up with Abe Lincoln. He will be an amazing president.
We lived through the rest of them we will survive Obama as we would have survived McCain.
Survive? Obama will do more than that for America - he will bring the nation so far forward.
I am glad he won but we have yet to see how he will do. My hopes are that he will, my expectations are it will be Washington as usual, my fears are losing more rights and paying more taxes
Paying more taxes isn't necessarily a bad thing imo and some of these "rights" really shouldn't be there at all. I would love to see the US become socialist.
:LMAO:
... at every part of that bullshit.
You kind of wonder why European societies have few people in poverty, don't have their ceo's earning 500-1000 times as much as the average worker and so on. The fact is - you, the average US citizen would be so much better off under a socialist system than the current one. Do you want your kids to have good healthcare, education and opportunities or not?
what people in poverty ? with the housing vouchers, food vouchers, health care vouches and everything else they are only listed as living below the poverty level because of the size of their paycheck which doesn't account for all the handouts.
Go and live that lifestyle if it is so good. Thought not? But if you want an example of your own social injustice - look how much every person is expected to spend on their college education. How about you ask Tesla about his recent $5000 medical bill. It would never happen in Europe.
It's as stupid as saying a millionaires kids is living in poverty because he has no money and ignoring the fact his parents take care of him. The so called poor in this country have Uncle Sugar supplying the food & shelter & medical care so aren't poor by any means, just dysfunctional an unable to manage their own life and we pay the overhead for the army of government babysitters that run their lives because they are too lazy too.
So basically if people get sick - leave them to rot? What if the same were to happen to you. Its time you all quit dreaming about that Horatio Alger myth and collectively gained some humanity as a nation. With Obama in charge - hopefully your nation might take a step in the right direction.
it would never happen in europe because you don't have a culture of dysfunctional people like the USA does. They don't even try to make a go of it, just cry they are victims making life harder on everyone else.
11% of birth are to teenage mothers plus all the early 20's girls who aren't established in life having babies creates a giant class of mooches to support.
The morons uncivilized kids create problems for the school systems adding cost to it and many of the kids end up in trouble with the law costing the US taxpayers more money, it's just a snowball effect of dysfunction causing everyone to pay and suffer because of it.
we got people in this country who think just like you do and compare the USA to europe and say why don't we do what they do ,it's because of the moron single mothers popping out babies they are too young to take care of on their own. They don't get established in life prior to having children so they aren't a burden on society.
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Feel free to leave our country.
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what bright side ?
Obama is almost certainly going to go down in the history books up with Abe Lincoln. He will be an amazing president.
We lived through the rest of them we will survive Obama as we would have survived McCain.
Survive? Obama will do more than that for America - he will bring the nation so far forward.
I am glad he won but we have yet to see how he will do. My hopes are that he will, my expectations are it will be Washington as usual, my fears are losing more rights and paying more taxes
Paying more taxes isn't necessarily a bad thing imo and some of these "rights" really shouldn't be there at all. I would love to see the US become socialist.
:LMAO:
... at every part of that bullshit.
You kind of wonder why European societies have few people in poverty, don't have their ceo's earning 500-1000 times as much as the average worker and so on. The fact is - you, the average US citizen would be so much better off under a socialist system than the current one. Do you want your kids to have good healthcare, education and opportunities or not?
I'm not going to post my financial statement, but I will tell you once again that you're full of shit and I already know what would happen to those of us in our income range, under a socialist rule. We would be fucked.
Don't feel bad, though. A large percentage of school kids in this country are socialist, just like you are, holding their empty palms out at those of us who have already worked our whole lives (thank you), so they can take away what we have earned the hard way. I don't want my great country to turn into a euro-style country. No thanks.
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what bright side ?
Obama is almost certainly going to go down in the history books up with Abe Lincoln. He will be an amazing president.
We lived through the rest of them we will survive Obama as we would have survived McCain.
Survive? Obama will do more than that for America - he will bring the nation so far forward.
I am glad he won but we have yet to see how he will do. My hopes are that he will, my expectations are it will be Washington as usual, my fears are losing more rights and paying more taxes
Paying more taxes isn't necessarily a bad thing imo and some of these "rights" really shouldn't be there at all. I would love to see the US become socialist.
:LMAO:
... at every part of that bullshit.
You kind of wonder why European societies have few people in poverty, don't have their ceo's earning 500-1000 times as much as the average worker and so on. The fact is - you, the average US citizen would be so much better off under a socialist system than the current one. Do you want your kids to have good healthcare, education and opportunities or not?
I'm not going to post my financial statement, but I will tell you once again that you're full of shit and I already know what would happen to those of us in our income range, under a socialist rule. We would be fucked.
Don't feel bad, though. A large percentage of school kids in this country are socialist, just like you are, holding their empty palms out at those of us who have already worked our whole lives (thank you), so they can take away what we have earned the hard way. I don't want my great country to turn into a euro-style country. No thanks.
:agreed:
I wouldn't mind health care becoming more socialized, but not everything else.
I don't want someone to "redistribute the wealth" because by the time they make us all equal, we will all be equally poor.
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Have you heard that there is movement to "socialize" the IRA accounts by forcing government management?
I'm still researching this for the facts, but it is one of the California Congressmen, who is involved. One of our Indiana Representatives is butting heads over it, already.
Sorry, it's the brainchild of Democratic Representative George Miller of California, to take away some of the benefits allowed under present IRA schemes and hand the management of them over to the Social Security Administration.
Here are a couple of related articles:
http://www.workforce.com/section/00/article/25/83/58.php (http://www.workforce.com/section/00/article/25/83/58.php)
http://www.publicradio.org/columns/marketplace/gettingpersonal/2008/10/nationalizing_401k_assets.html (http://www.publicradio.org/columns/marketplace/gettingpersonal/2008/10/nationalizing_401k_assets.html)
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2008/10/23/would-obama-dems-kill-401k-plans.html (http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2008/10/23/would-obama-dems-kill-401k-plans.html)
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Here's an article on this IRA talk from the right:
401(k)s and IRAs to be nationalized? (http://www.wendymcelroy.com/news.php?extend.2039)
"The Carolina Journal reports,
Democrats in the U.S. House have been conducting hearings on proposals to confiscate workers’ personal retirement accounts — including 401(k)s and IRAs — and convert them to accounts managed by the Social Security Administration. Triggered by the financial crisis the past two months, the hearings reportedly were meant to stem losses incurred by many workers and retirees whose 401(k) and IRA balances have been shrinking rapidly. The testimony of Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of economic policy analysis at the New School for Social Research in New York, in hearings Oct. 7 drew the most attention and criticism. Testifying for the House Committee on Education and Labor, Ghilarducci proposed that the government eliminate tax breaks for 401(k) and similar retirement accounts, such as IRAs, and confiscate workers’ retirement plan accounts and convert them to universal Guaranteed Retirement Accounts (GRAs) managed by the Social Security Administration."
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If it gets further I will take the tax penalty and pull my money out and buy gold
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If it gets further I will take the tax penalty and pull my money out and buy gold
One of the reasons this discussion is being pressed, RIGHT NOW, is that just the talk will cause many people to become anxious/worried, panic, take out their IRAs, and pay out billions of dollars in tax revenue. The taxes will come mostly from the middle class.
That would be a double hit, though, because Wall Street is down, still. It's a very bad time to cash in investments. Wise investors are buying stocks, right now.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20081114/cm_csm/yhoyle;_ylt=AmxTVM0WK9uaT3Q__GwuFDas0NUE
Obama's impact on 'Generation We'
give it a few months and they will change the channel :thumbup:
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what bright side ?
Obama is almost certainly going to go down in the history books up with Abe Lincoln. He will be an amazing president.
We lived through the rest of them we will survive Obama as we would have survived McCain.
Survive? Obama will do more than that for America - he will bring the nation so far forward.
I am glad he won but we have yet to see how he will do. My hopes are that he will, my expectations are it will be Washington as usual, my fears are losing more rights and paying more taxes
Paying more taxes isn't necessarily a bad thing imo and some of these "rights" really shouldn't be there at all. I would love to see the US become socialist.
:LMAO:
... at every part of that bullshit.
You kind of wonder why European societies have few people in poverty, don't have their ceo's earning 500-1000 times as much as the average worker and so on. The fact is - you, the average US citizen would be so much better off under a socialist system than the current one. Do you want your kids to have good healthcare, education and opportunities or not?
what people in poverty ? with the housing vouchers, food vouchers, health care vouches and everything else they are only listed as living below the poverty level because of the size of their paycheck which doesn't account for all the handouts.
Go and live that lifestyle if it is so good. Thought not? But if you want an example of your own social injustice - look how much every person is expected to spend on their college education. How about you ask Tesla about his recent $5000 medical bill. It would never happen in Europe.
It's as stupid as saying a millionaires kids is living in poverty because he has no money and ignoring the fact his parents take care of him. The so called poor in this country have Uncle Sugar supplying the food & shelter & medical care so aren't poor by any means, just dysfunctional an unable to manage their own life and we pay the overhead for the army of government babysitters that run their lives because they are too lazy too.
So basically if people get sick - leave them to rot? What if the same were to happen to you. Its time you all quit dreaming about that Horatio Alger myth and collectively gained some humanity as a nation. With Obama in charge - hopefully your nation might take a step in the right direction.
it would never happen in europe because you don't have a culture of dysfunctional people like the USA does. They don't even try to make a go of it, just cry they are victims making life harder on everyone else.
11% of birth are to teenage mothers plus all the early 20's girls who aren't established in life having babies creates a giant class of mooches to support.
The morons uncivilized kids create problems for the school systems adding cost to it and many of the kids end up in trouble with the law costing the US taxpayers more money, it's just a snowball effect of dysfunction causing everyone to pay and suffer because of it.
we got people in this country who think just like you do and compare the USA to europe and say why don't we do what they do ,it's because of the moron single mothers popping out babies they are too young to take care of on their own. They don't get established in life prior to having children so they aren't a burden on society.
If you had a proper education system (like on continental Europe - we in the UK have a quite a problem with single mothers atm) - how many of these dysfunctional people would be having children? Education is the only way to break the cycle - but you need to do so with both parent and child at the same time.
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what bright side ?
Obama is almost certainly going to go down in the history books up with Abe Lincoln. He will be an amazing president.
We lived through the rest of them we will survive Obama as we would have survived McCain.
Survive? Obama will do more than that for America - he will bring the nation so far forward.
I am glad he won but we have yet to see how he will do. My hopes are that he will, my expectations are it will be Washington as usual, my fears are losing more rights and paying more taxes
Paying more taxes isn't necessarily a bad thing imo and some of these "rights" really shouldn't be there at all. I would love to see the US become socialist.
:LMAO:
... at every part of that bullshit.
You kind of wonder why European societies have few people in poverty, don't have their ceo's earning 500-1000 times as much as the average worker and so on. The fact is - you, the average US citizen would be so much better off under a socialist system than the current one. Do you want your kids to have good healthcare, education and opportunities or not?
I'm not going to post my financial statement, but I will tell you once again that you're full of shit and I already know what would happen to those of us in our income range, under a socialist rule. We would be fucked.
Don't feel bad, though. A large percentage of school kids in this country are socialist, just like you are, holding their empty palms out at those of us who have already worked our whole lives (thank you), so they can take away what we have earned the hard way. I don't want my great country to turn into a euro-style country. No thanks.
Your income range? Under a more socialist society I doubt you would be working in Walmart to tell the truth, but lets say you were (so lets say you take home $40,000 a year and lived in GB). The amount of tax credits, pension, health and education benefits (thats right you could even go back to school if you wanted - subsidised) you and your family would be way better off. Its only the top 10% that lose out.
PS: We also have a greater GDP per person whilst at it :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita
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Here's an article on this IRA talk from the right:
401(k)s and IRAs to be nationalized? (http://www.wendymcelroy.com/news.php?extend.2039)
"The Carolina Journal reports,
Democrats in the U.S. House have been conducting hearings on proposals to confiscate workers’ personal retirement accounts — including 401(k)s and IRAs — and convert them to accounts managed by the Social Security Administration. Triggered by the financial crisis the past two months, the hearings reportedly were meant to stem losses incurred by many workers and retirees whose 401(k) and IRA balances have been shrinking rapidly. The testimony of Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of economic policy analysis at the New School for Social Research in New York, in hearings Oct. 7 drew the most attention and criticism. Testifying for the House Committee on Education and Labor, Ghilarducci proposed that the government eliminate tax breaks for 401(k) and similar retirement accounts, such as IRAs, and confiscate workers’ retirement plan accounts and convert them to universal Guaranteed Retirement Accounts (GRAs) managed by the Social Security Administration."
Seems like a brilliant idea to me. You know - actually ensuring that workers have a pension to retire on. Shame it wasn't done a few years ago to tell the truth.
Over here we get guaranteed payouts - and most people are very happy with them. The richer can choose to put their money in an ISA - but any employer backed scheme tends to be better.
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what bright side ?
Obama is almost certainly going to go down in the history books up with Abe Lincoln. He will be an amazing president.
We lived through the rest of them we will survive Obama as we would have survived McCain.
Survive? Obama will do more than that for America - he will bring the nation so far forward.
I am glad he won but we have yet to see how he will do. My hopes are that he will, my expectations are it will be Washington as usual, my fears are losing more rights and paying more taxes
Paying more taxes isn't necessarily a bad thing imo and some of these "rights" really shouldn't be there at all. I would love to see the US become socialist.
:LMAO:
... at every part of that bullshit.
You kind of wonder why European societies have few people in poverty, don't have their ceo's earning 500-1000 times as much as the average worker and so on. The fact is - you, the average US citizen would be so much better off under a socialist system than the current one. Do you want your kids to have good healthcare, education and opportunities or not?
what people in poverty ? with the housing vouchers, food vouchers, health care vouches and everything else they are only listed as living below the poverty level because of the size of their paycheck which doesn't account for all the handouts.
Go and live that lifestyle if it is so good. Thought not? But if you want an example of your own social injustice - look how much every person is expected to spend on their college education. How about you ask Tesla about his recent $5000 medical bill. It would never happen in Europe.
It's as stupid as saying a millionaires kids is living in poverty because he has no money and ignoring the fact his parents take care of him. The so called poor in this country have Uncle Sugar supplying the food & shelter & medical care so aren't poor by any means, just dysfunctional an unable to manage their own life and we pay the overhead for the army of government babysitters that run their lives because they are too lazy too.
So basically if people get sick - leave them to rot? What if the same were to happen to you. Its time you all quit dreaming about that Horatio Alger myth and collectively gained some humanity as a nation. With Obama in charge - hopefully your nation might take a step in the right direction.
it would never happen in europe because you don't have a culture of dysfunctional people like the USA does. They don't even try to make a go of it, just cry they are victims making life harder on everyone else.
11% of birth are to teenage mothers plus all the early 20's girls who aren't established in life having babies creates a giant class of mooches to support.
The morons uncivilized kids create problems for the school systems adding cost to it and many of the kids end up in trouble with the law costing the US taxpayers more money, it's just a snowball effect of dysfunction causing everyone to pay and suffer because of it.
we got people in this country who think just like you do and compare the USA to europe and say why don't we do what they do ,it's because of the moron single mothers popping out babies they are too young to take care of on their own. They don't get established in life prior to having children so they aren't a burden on society.
If you had a proper education system (like on continental Europe - we in the UK have a quite a problem with single mothers atm) - how many of these dysfunctional people would be having children? Education is the only way to break the cycle - but you need to do so with both parent and child at the same time.
There is no educating people who refuse to be educated.
We have these creatures from another planet called school teachers who roll into ghetto school yards in their jaguar's and are looked at as people from another planet because to the ghetto kids they are. We have two societies and no positive roll models in the ghetto's the kids can connect with.
America has a caste system in place with jobs tied to who's crotch somebody got yanked out of and the ethnic group they are part of. It's one big good old boy system with no admittance into the inner circle without an invitation which is only extended to people they can use for something and who will put up with being used hoping to be accepted. Pretty woman do it trying to get into the inner circle and really smart guys do it trying to get into the inner circle.
Our politics is nothing more than the born right ( Bush) on one side against the other side which is nothing more then Revenge of The Nerds ( Obama) The libtards don't care about helping the little people, just taking out revenge against the pretty people born right who weren't ejected from the inner circle for being goobers ( al gore, nancy pelosi )
People like Obama quickly figure out where they stand in places like harvard and the private work force, they stand behind the born right bunch and always will so instead of playing second string to Richie Rich's kid for life they seek out revenge against the rich bastards.
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what bright side ?
Obama is almost certainly going to go down in the history books up with Abe Lincoln. He will be an amazing president.
We lived through the rest of them we will survive Obama as we would have survived McCain.
Survive? Obama will do more than that for America - he will bring the nation so far forward.
I am glad he won but we have yet to see how he will do. My hopes are that he will, my expectations are it will be Washington as usual, my fears are losing more rights and paying more taxes
Paying more taxes isn't necessarily a bad thing imo and some of these "rights" really shouldn't be there at all. I would love to see the US become socialist.
:LMAO:
... at every part of that bullshit.
You kind of wonder why European societies have few people in poverty, don't have their ceo's earning 500-1000 times as much as the average worker and so on. The fact is - you, the average US citizen would be so much better off under a socialist system than the current one. Do you want your kids to have good healthcare, education and opportunities or not?
what people in poverty ? with the housing vouchers, food vouchers, health care vouches and everything else they are only listed as living below the poverty level because of the size of their paycheck which doesn't account for all the handouts.
Go and live that lifestyle if it is so good. Thought not? But if you want an example of your own social injustice - look how much every person is expected to spend on their college education. How about you ask Tesla about his recent $5000 medical bill. It would never happen in Europe.
It's as stupid as saying a millionaires kids is living in poverty because he has no money and ignoring the fact his parents take care of him. The so called poor in this country have Uncle Sugar supplying the food & shelter & medical care so aren't poor by any means, just dysfunctional an unable to manage their own life and we pay the overhead for the army of government babysitters that run their lives because they are too lazy too.
So basically if people get sick - leave them to rot? What if the same were to happen to you. Its time you all quit dreaming about that Horatio Alger myth and collectively gained some humanity as a nation. With Obama in charge - hopefully your nation might take a step in the right direction.
it would never happen in europe because you don't have a culture of dysfunctional people like the USA does. They don't even try to make a go of it, just cry they are victims making life harder on everyone else.
11% of birth are to teenage mothers plus all the early 20's girls who aren't established in life having babies creates a giant class of mooches to support.
The morons uncivilized kids create problems for the school systems adding cost to it and many of the kids end up in trouble with the law costing the US taxpayers more money, it's just a snowball effect of dysfunction causing everyone to pay and suffer because of it.
we got people in this country who think just like you do and compare the USA to europe and say why don't we do what they do ,it's because of the moron single mothers popping out babies they are too young to take care of on their own. They don't get established in life prior to having children so they aren't a burden on society.
If you had a proper education system (like on continental Europe - we in the UK have a quite a problem with single mothers atm) - how many of these dysfunctional people would be having children? Education is the only way to break the cycle - but you need to do so with both parent and child at the same time.
There is no educating people who refuse to be educated.
Children cannot refuse to be educated. Parents could have their benefits controlled / restricted if they refused to attend certain classes, or even have their kids taken into care.
We have these creatures from another planet called school teachers who roll into ghetto school yards in their jaguar's and are looked at as people from another planet because to the ghetto kids they are. We have two societies and no positive roll models in the ghetto's the kids can connect with.
If these school districts had enough money on the other hand - they could retain people that could relate to these people. In fact Obama makes the point in his book (I really encourage you read it before you pass judgement on the man - hell if you guys don't want him we will gladly have him)
America has a caste system in place with jobs tied to who's crotch somebody got yanked out of and the ethnic group they are part of. It's one big good old boy system with no admittance into the inner circle without an invitation which is only extended to people they can use for something and who will put up with being used hoping to be accepted. Pretty woman do it trying to get into the inner circle and really smart guys do it trying to get into the inner circle.
If people voted the Democrats in on a landslide then the politics would move so fast in the right direction. If Obama can keep his momentum up and get past the 60 seat barrier in the Senate in two years time then you might see the change go through as I am talking about.
Btw - we have the same problem over here (all the born brats seem to show up at my uni), but it is possible to break through a lot more compared to your country.
Our politics is nothing more than the born right ( Bush) on one side against the other side which is nothing more then Revenge of The Nerds ( Obama) The libtards don't care about helping the little people, just taking out revenge against the pretty people born right who weren't ejected from the inner circle for being goobers ( al gore, nancy pelosi )
People like Obama quickly figure out where they stand in places like harvard and the private work force, they stand behind the born right bunch and always will so instead of playing second string to Richie Rich's kid for life they seek out revenge against the rich bastards.
Again - please go and read Obama's book with an open mind, it would really save me writing a bloody thesis here. The other thing with politicians is they will say one thing publicly (so they can get a smidgen of what they believe in through) and actually believe something a lot better privately. The only way you can really see this for yourself is to join the Democratic party and ask your local representative if you can go campaigning with them. Soon enough in most cases you should see what they actually stand for.
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Obama is a rich kid, just not at the same level as the super rich. He is upper middle class.
The guy is no different than the upper middle class white woman driving into the ghetto in her jaguar to teach school, clueless because they have never had to deal with life on the wrong side of the tracks.
There is theory and than there is reality
I could almost write a book about how to fix trucking, it would sound great and in reality implimenting it and getting everyone to do their part is another thing so in theory it would look good, in reality it would never happen.
My guess is you can't even comprehend where I'm coming from because it's an abstraction to you if you are from a stable middle class or upper middle class family.
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Here's an article on this IRA talk from the right:
401(k)s and IRAs to be nationalized? (http://www.wendymcelroy.com/news.php?extend.2039)
"The Carolina Journal reports,
Democrats in the U.S. House have been conducting hearings on proposals to confiscate workers’ personal retirement accounts — including 401(k)s and IRAs — and convert them to accounts managed by the Social Security Administration. Triggered by the financial crisis the past two months, the hearings reportedly were meant to stem losses incurred by many workers and retirees whose 401(k) and IRA balances have been shrinking rapidly. The testimony of Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of economic policy analysis at the New School for Social Research in New York, in hearings Oct. 7 drew the most attention and criticism. Testifying for the House Committee on Education and Labor, Ghilarducci proposed that the government eliminate tax breaks for 401(k) and similar retirement accounts, such as IRAs, and confiscate workers’ retirement plan accounts and convert them to universal Guaranteed Retirement Accounts (GRAs) managed by the Social Security Administration."
Seems like a brilliant idea to me. You know - actually ensuring that workers have a pension to retire on. Shame it wasn't done a few years ago to tell the truth.
Over here we get guaranteed payouts - and most people are very happy with them. The richer can choose to put their money in an ISA - but any employer backed scheme tends to be better.
You are too stupid to get any of this, aren't you. It has been done, already, promised to be a certain way, then changed, then changed, again. Social Security is a bankrupt failure. Pumping it up with the monies that were "guaranteed" to be secure (and personally controllable) is not going to fix it. It doesn't work.
The employers' pension burdens are being removed, BTW. This is a classic leftist money grab, nothing more.
Read it, idiot!
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If it gets further I will take the tax penalty and pull my money out and buy gold
One of the reasons this discussion is being pressed, RIGHT NOW, is that just the talk will cause many people to become anxious/worried, panic, take out their IRAs, and pay out billions of dollars in tax revenue. The taxes will come mostly from the middle class.
That would be a double hit, though, because Wall Street is down, still. It's a very bad time to cash in investments. Wise investors are buying stocks, right now.
They might be buying stocks but I done want he Gov. doing for me. Let them take there hit I want none of my money in something like that. If they leave it alone I will leave it there till I retire otherwise I want it
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If it gets further I will take the tax penalty and pull my money out and buy gold
One of the reasons this discussion is being pressed, RIGHT NOW, is that just the talk will cause many people to become anxious/worried, panic, take out their IRAs, and pay out billions of dollars in tax revenue. The taxes will come mostly from the middle class.
That would be a double hit, though, because Wall Street is down, still. It's a very bad time to cash in investments. Wise investors are buying stocks, right now.
They might be buying stocks but I done want he Gov. doing for me. Let them take there hit I want none of my money in something like that. If they leave it alone I will leave it there till I retire otherwise I want it
I just meant that where your stocks are invested has already taken a huge hit, on average. Most people who are jumping out are losing ten to twelve year's growth. If you have actually managed to tread the waters staying even, then you are unique. Most of the IRAs which depend heavily on investments in the stock market are way down, surprisingly further than you may expect.
Don't DO IT, yet!
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O won't do it unless I here that they are going to take it over otherwise it just sits there
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what people in poverty ? with the housing vouchers, food vouchers, health care vouches and everything else they are only listed as living below the poverty level because of the size of their paycheck which doesn't account for all the handouts.
It's as stupid as saying a millionaires kids is living in poverty because he has no money and ignoring the fact his parents take care of him. The so called poor in this country have Uncle Sugar supplying the food & shelter & medical care so aren't poor by any means, just dysfunctional an unable to manage their own life and we pay the overhead for the army of government babysitters that run their lives because they are too lazy too.
The ones in Detroit, for example, the ones with their water turned off because they are out of work and cannot pay their bills. That's the kind of poverty I assume you're ignoring here.
For the record, I'm not agreeing with Hadron about socialism, but I think you're making a terrible mistake by not acknowledging that there is real poverty in the US. You ignoring them will not make them go away.
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what people in poverty ? with the housing vouchers, food vouchers, health care vouches and everything else they are only listed as living below the poverty level because of the size of their paycheck which doesn't account for all the handouts.
It's as stupid as saying a millionaires kids is living in poverty because he has no money and ignoring the fact his parents take care of him. The so called poor in this country have Uncle Sugar supplying the food & shelter & medical care so aren't poor by any means, just dysfunctional an unable to manage their own life and we pay the overhead for the army of government babysitters that run their lives because they are too lazy too.
The ones in Detroit, for example, the ones with their water turned off because they are out of work and cannot pay their bills. That's the kind of poverty I assume you're ignoring here.
For the record, I'm not agreeing with Hadron about socialism, but I think you're making a terrible mistake by not acknowledging that there is real poverty in the US. You ignoring them will not make them go away.
True.
There are small pockets of destitute, hourly wager earners-out of work and immigrants (legal and otherwise) in every major city. We can't ignore them forever and they don't just die gracefully and disappear. Something will have to be done to get them back on their feet, short term, then it's up to them. The notion that a permanent fix is possible is like looking at the sky and seeing pie. There will always be a new influx of poor.
Taking away the upper middle class's future will not stop it though. The first politician to lay all his assets at the foot of the starving homeless will get some attention, for sure, but asking me to lay mine down while they keep theirs will lead to a fight.
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What gets me about these poor is the fact that they live near one of the largest (if not THE largest) freshwater reservoirs in the world, yet somebody turns off their water. that be.
I'm not saying that society should pay for them for all eternity, but why is it that I so often see people like Johnny assuming that it's their own fault? These people were so ashamed by this--they, too, somehow assumed it was their fault--that they wanted the cameras to be turned off and wouldn't answer any questions until assured that the TV spot would be transmitted half a globe away. The American Dream turning a nightmare?
I hope there will be change.
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what people in poverty ? with the housing vouchers, food vouchers, health care vouches and everything else they are only listed as living below the poverty level because of the size of their paycheck which doesn't account for all the handouts.
It's as stupid as saying a millionaires kids is living in poverty because he has no money and ignoring the fact his parents take care of him. The so called poor in this country have Uncle Sugar supplying the food & shelter & medical care so aren't poor by any means, just dysfunctional an unable to manage their own life and we pay the overhead for the army of government babysitters that run their lives because they are too lazy too.
The ones in Detroit, for example, the ones with their water turned off because they are out of work and cannot pay their bills. That's the kind of poverty I assume you're ignoring here.
For the record, I'm not agreeing with Hadron about socialism, but I think you're making a terrible mistake by not acknowledging that there is real poverty in the US. You ignoring them will not make them go away.
we have an estimated 20 million ghosts living in the country who manage to find places to live and pay their bills even though they aren't even legally supposed to be in the country. They do it by working any job they can find and sharing dwellings.
http://www.freep.com/
all sorts of jobs in the detriot area and with the amount of cheap housing easy enough for a few adults to work some McJobs and come up with the rent & utility money every month if they share a place.
maybe you think people are ENTITLED to have their own place, but there is no such requirement over here or restriction on moving to someplace with better oppertunities. The illegal immigrants seems to manage to travel to find work so I'm sure if somebody in detriot got off their sorry butt they might manage to do it same as their parents or grandparents managed to get to michigan looking for work they can manage to get out of there to find work.
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Obama is a rich kid, just not at the same level as the super rich. He is upper middle class.
Not really - he didn't even pay off his college loan until about 4 years ago. What a rich kid...
The guy is no different than the upper middle class white woman driving into the ghetto in her jaguar to teach school, clueless because they have never had to deal with life on the wrong side of the tracks.
Obama has had to deal with life on that side ffs - go and read up on his life story.
There is theory and than there is reality
I could almost write a book about how to fix trucking, it would sound great and in reality implimenting it and getting everyone to do their part is another thing so in theory it would look good, in reality it would never happen.
My guess is you can't even comprehend where I'm coming from because it's an abstraction to you if you are from a stable middle class or upper middle class family.
Abstraction? All you are repeating is the same ridiculous conservative spiel - you know all the wonderful theories about tax cuts trickling down onto ordinary people and all that nonsense. If you want to see practise - take a look at Europe (hint, hint - most of you might want to buy a passport for that). A walk beyond your closed borders might just do you some good.
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Here's an article on this IRA talk from the right:
401(k)s and IRAs to be nationalized? (http://www.wendymcelroy.com/news.php?extend.2039)
"The Carolina Journal reports,
Democrats in the U.S. House have been conducting hearings on proposals to confiscate workers’ personal retirement accounts — including 401(k)s and IRAs — and convert them to accounts managed by the Social Security Administration. Triggered by the financial crisis the past two months, the hearings reportedly were meant to stem losses incurred by many workers and retirees whose 401(k) and IRA balances have been shrinking rapidly. The testimony of Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of economic policy analysis at the New School for Social Research in New York, in hearings Oct. 7 drew the most attention and criticism. Testifying for the House Committee on Education and Labor, Ghilarducci proposed that the government eliminate tax breaks for 401(k) and similar retirement accounts, such as IRAs, and confiscate workers’ retirement plan accounts and convert them to universal Guaranteed Retirement Accounts (GRAs) managed by the Social Security Administration."
Seems like a brilliant idea to me. You know - actually ensuring that workers have a pension to retire on. Shame it wasn't done a few years ago to tell the truth.
Over here we get guaranteed payouts - and most people are very happy with them. The richer can choose to put their money in an ISA - but any employer backed scheme tends to be better.
You are too stupid to get any of this, aren't you. It has been done, already, promised to be a certain way, then changed, then changed, again.
Yes I remember the Bill Clinton "with this pen I will sign..." speech. He would have signed it - if the American people were not stupid enough to elect more than 40 Republican Senators. This is not stupidity on my part - all these systems work pretty well in Europe. Surely the nation that prides itself at being "#1" can manage a pension system. Or am I expecting too much.
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Social Security is a bankrupt failure. Pumping it up with the monies that were "guaranteed" to be secure (and personally controllable) is not going to fix it. It doesn't work.
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Don't re-elect the Republicans then! If Bill Clinton's spending plans were followed - you would have had the money to fill the black hole about 5 or so times over.
The employers' pension burdens are being removed, BTW. This is a classic leftist money grab, nothing more.
Read it, idiot!
Get a passport and look beyond your own borders. Hell if you can't afford a passport - at least head to Canada and get an inkling.
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what people in poverty ? with the housing vouchers, food vouchers, health care vouches and everything else they are only listed as living below the poverty level because of the size of their paycheck which doesn't account for all the handouts.
It's as stupid as saying a millionaires kids is living in poverty because he has no money and ignoring the fact his parents take care of him. The so called poor in this country have Uncle Sugar supplying the food & shelter & medical care so aren't poor by any means, just dysfunctional an unable to manage their own life and we pay the overhead for the army of government babysitters that run their lives because they are too lazy too.
The ones in Detroit, for example, the ones with their water turned off because they are out of work and cannot pay their bills. That's the kind of poverty I assume you're ignoring here.
For the record, I'm not agreeing with Hadron about socialism, but I think you're making a terrible mistake by not acknowledging that there is real poverty in the US. You ignoring them will not make them go away.
we have an estimated 20 million ghosts living in the country who manage to find places to live and pay their bills even though they aren't even legally supposed to be in the country. They do it by working any job they can find and sharing dwellings.
http://www.freep.com/
all sorts of jobs in the detriot area and with the amount of cheap housing easy enough for a few adults to work some McJobs and come up with the rent & utility money every month if they share a place.
maybe you think people are ENTITLED to have their own place, but there is no such requirement over here or restriction on moving to someplace with better oppertunities. The illegal immigrants seems to manage to travel to find work so I'm sure if somebody in detriot got off their sorry butt they might manage to do it same as their parents or grandparents managed to get to michigan looking for work they can manage to get out of there to find work.
Yeah because paying someone $1 an hour is the mark of a developed civilised nation. What happened to humanity.
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i fucking love you Had. ;D
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i fucking love you Had. ;D
I do, too. I've been in hundreds of these types of discussions with teeanage, pie-eyed know-it-alls when I was in photography work.
They go around in circles, saying the same thing, because that's really all they know to do.
The best part is watching them change and grow.
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Obama is a rich kid, just not at the same level as the super rich. He is upper middle class.
Not really - he didn't even pay off his college loan until about 4 years ago. What a rich kid...
The guy is no different than the upper middle class white woman driving into the ghetto in her jaguar to teach school, clueless because they have never had to deal with life on the wrong side of the tracks.
Obama has had to deal with life on that side ffs - go and read up on his life story.
There is theory and than there is reality
I could almost write a book about how to fix trucking, it would sound great and in reality implimenting it and getting everyone to do their part is another thing so in theory it would look good, in reality it would never happen.
My guess is you can't even comprehend where I'm coming from because it's an abstraction to you if you are from a stable middle class or upper middle class family.
Abstraction? All you are repeating is the same ridiculous conservative spiel - you know all the wonderful theories about tax cuts trickling down onto ordinary people and all that nonsense. If you want to see practise - take a look at Europe (hint, hint - most of you might want to buy a passport for that). A walk beyond your closed borders might just do you some good.
Obama's life story, wealthy grandparents. Just not a bottomless pit or willing to pay all his bills to teach him some responsablity.
His mother was 18 when he was born and made a career out of going to college and playing peace corp volunteer type while her parents sent her child to private school. Filthy rich family,no. But surely not hurting at all.
I have no clue what (( ffs ) code stands for.
Reagan's trickle down was blown to hell because of Ted Kennedy gutting the mid 1980's immigration bill of employer penalties for hiring illegal immigrants. Labor is basic supply and demand, increase the supply of labor and it's hard to demand a living wage.
Why should I go to europe, I'm not sticking my nose in those peoples business, you should come here and see first hand what you are blowing off at the mouth about and than maybe you might have a clue what you are ranting about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWbZEiVJuVs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8Rmc1l4wLQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYLownDCnhc&feature=related
you think better government can help them ROFLMFAO
I can't even watch much more than a minute of them and they live like that thinking it's normal.
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Welfare isn't even necessarily a socialist mean. The first welfare state in Europe wasn't Sweden or the UK but imperial Germany. Bismarck was the first to introduce minimum wages, workers' rights and pensions at about the same time slavery was abolished in the USA. ::)
Our European welfare systems are undermined through low native birth rates in combination with almost unlimited immigration of unskilled refugees and criminals from the Balkans, Middle East and Africa. The systems themselves are very good. To literally end up on the street in a western or northern European country you must really avoid contact with the welfare authorities.
As an Aspie I get 94% of my rent paid by the state, for instance. I also got my study loan debt cancelled just by an attest by my doctor; it was about US$ 35000... And every Swede gets free dental care by the county until s/he is 20 years old...Even private kindergartens and schools are financed by the state. A chief surgeon at a hospital doesn't earn more than about 5 times what a fully paid nurse earns.
I never pay more than US$125/ year for health care paid by the county. A similar system goes for medication. Visiting my shrink, who is a chief psychiatrician, costs about US$ 40. My mum works as an official and thus gets all her health care and medication paid by the state. X-ray examinations and STD examinations are free for everyone, since they're a matter of national health.
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i fucking love you Had. ;D
I do, too. I've been in hundreds of these types of discussions with teeanage, pie-eyed know-it-alls when I was in photography work.
They go around in circles, saying the same thing, because that's really all they know to do.
The best part is watching them change and grow.
So you guys wouldn't mind if I printed some of these responses off and gave them out in my tutorial presentation (on nothing other than equality). I think the reaction might be interesting.
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What reaction do you think they would get?
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Obama is a rich kid, just not at the same level as the super rich. He is upper middle class.
Not really - he didn't even pay off his college loan until about 4 years ago. What a rich kid...
The guy is no different than the upper middle class white woman driving into the ghetto in her jaguar to teach school, clueless because they have never had to deal with life on the wrong side of the tracks.
Obama has had to deal with life on that side ffs - go and read up on his life story.
There is theory and than there is reality
I could almost write a book about how to fix trucking, it would sound great and in reality implimenting it and getting everyone to do their part is another thing so in theory it would look good, in reality it would never happen.
My guess is you can't even comprehend where I'm coming from because it's an abstraction to you if you are from a stable middle class or upper middle class family.
Abstraction? All you are repeating is the same ridiculous conservative spiel - you know all the wonderful theories about tax cuts trickling down onto ordinary people and all that nonsense. If you want to see practise - take a look at Europe (hint, hint - most of you might want to buy a passport for that). A walk beyond your closed borders might just do you some good.
Obama's life story, wealthy grandparents. Just not a bottomless pit or willing to pay all his bills to teach him some responsablity.
His mother was 18 when he was born and made a career out of going to college and playing peace corp volunteer type while her parents sent her child to private school. Filthy rich family,no. But surely not hurting at all.
You missed off the fair few years when Obama was in Indonesia that's for sure....
I have no clue what (( ffs ) code stands for.
Ask nicely and you might find out.
Reagan's trickle down was blown to hell because of Ted Kennedy gutting the mid 1980's immigration bill of employer penalties for hiring illegal immigrants. Labor is basic supply and demand, increase the supply of labor and it's hard to demand a living wage.
I was referring to the Bush tax cut actually in this case, but Reaganomics was little better. Putting everyone on a minimum wage might cost you a few billion dollars - well worth the benefits. Obama would be doing it on his opening day if your idiotic countrymen hadn't voted the Republicans in.
Why should I go to europe, I'm not sticking my nose in those peoples business, you should come here and see first hand what you are blowing off at the mouth about and than maybe you might have a clue what you are ranting about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWbZEiVJuVs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8Rmc1l4wLQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYLownDCnhc&feature=related
you think better government can help them ROFLMFAO
I can't even watch much more than a minute of them and they live like that thinking it's normal.
Niggers - is that what you mean by "them"? I thought your governments solution was to lock them up on mass. Over here we are a little more progressive and treat them (rightfully) as equals.
Btw - I have visited the US. Isn't it time you paid a return visit? Or are you agoraphobic?
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What reaction do you think they would get?
Well the 2-3 rahs who have descended from the steps of their parents country home to spend time with mere mortals might back them - but even in my ridiculous (disgustingly conservative) university I doubt many are going to disagree with me. Bear in mind I tend to be a pariah normally in tutorials - not wanting to lick David Cameron's arse.
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Welfare isn't even necessarily a socialist mean. The first welfare state in Europe wasn't Sweden or the UK but imperial Germany. Bismarck was the first to introduce minimum wages, workers' rights and pensions at about the same time slavery was abolished in the USA. ::)
Socialism is a very broad area of the political spectrum - really its split into several categories (including for instance Social Democracy and Communism). The welfare state is primarily a leftest thing - or at least very interconnected with it.
Our European welfare systems are undermined through low native birth rates in combination with almost unlimited immigration of unskilled refugees and criminals from the Balkans, Middle East and Africa. The systems themselves are very good. To literally end up on the street in a western or northern European country you must really avoid contact with the welfare authorities.
Britain hasn't done too badly out of immigration really - though now we are beginning to cut down.
As an Aspie I get 94% of my rent paid by the state, for instance. I also got my study loan debt cancelled just by an attest by my doctor; it was about US$ 35000... And every Swede gets free dental care by the county until s/he is 20 years old...Even private kindergartens and schools are financed by the state. A chief surgeon at a hospital doesn't earn more than about 5 times what a fully paid nurse earns.
Just wondering - are you currently employed yourself, and would that make much difference in terms of what benefit you get?
I never pay more than US$125/ year for health care paid by the county. A similar system goes for medication. Visiting my shrink, who is a chief psychiatrician, costs about US$ 40. My mum works as an official and thus gets all her health care and medication paid by the state. X-ray examinations and STD examinations are free for everyone, since they're a matter of national health.
Have you seen Sicko yet? Aspie's in the US can't even get health insurance.
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Niggers - is that what you mean by "them"? I thought your governments solution was to lock them up on mass. Over here we are a little more progressive and treat them (rightfully) as equals.
Btw - I have visited the US. Isn't it time you paid a return visit? Or are you agoraphobic?
"them"
if you had a clue you would know most people on government aid are white trash and it's evident how your mind works because you saw a few blacks faces an assumed it was something racial.
did you visit tourist areas ?
here's what you didn't visit
My tax rate on first $16,000 is 20% than jumps to 30% and at around $40,000 it's 40%
Under clinton I was paying 47.8% tax on every dollar I made over about $30,000 a year
$8 tillion of personal income was reported to the federal government.
$4 trillion was collected in taxes by the state,local & federal government and we are building up future promises daily we aren't putting a cent aside to pay for and not even collecting enough in taxes to pay the day to day cost of government, just going deeper into debt.
and you think this country should spend even more money it doesn't have to support more liberal programs when it can't even afford to pay for the ones it currently has.
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Btw - I have visited the US. Isn't it time you paid a return visit? Or are you agoraphobic?
my relatives left the place and probably for a good reason so why go back to someplace they left for good. I used to drive a truck all over the country so don't think agoraphobic applies.
If you are happy living in a no fail society have at it, many americans like to stand on their own two feet and enjoy a sense of personal achievement and want no part of the hive animal mentality you enjoy living under the Queen. We like being independant creatures like an Eagle, if you people like being ants or bee's enjoy.
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Niggers - is that what you mean by "them"? I thought your governments solution was to lock them up on mass. Over here we are a little more progressive and treat them (rightfully) as equals.
Btw - I have visited the US. Isn't it time you paid a return visit? Or are you agoraphobic?
"them"
if you had a clue you would know most people on government aid are white trash and it's evident how your mind works because you saw a few blacks faces an assumed it was something racial.
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Nah - I just know the ridiculous way your society still treats people on the grounds of the colour of their skin.
Oh btw - statistics please, I didn't know "white trash" was a category used typically in research. Plus I think you should look up the amount spent of welfare - my suspicions are that it won't be a massive amount.
did you visit tourist areas ?
here's what you didn't visit
My tax rate on first $16,000 is 20% than jumps to 30% and at around $40,000 it's 40%
Under clinton I was paying 47.8% tax on every dollar I made over about $30,000 a year
Ha - we pay less tax over here and actually get a health and education system. Just shows how thick the average American really is.
Well if you Americans would tax the rich properly...
$8 tillion of personal income was reported to the federal government.
$4 trillion was collected in taxes by the state,local & federal government and we are building up future promises daily we aren't putting a cent aside to pay for and not even collecting enough in taxes to pay the day to day cost of government, just going deeper into debt.
and you think this country should spend even more money it doesn't have to support more liberal programs when it can't even afford to pay for the ones it currently has.
No - all it needs to do is stop private companies making a profit out of the government. Like HMO's for instance. In Europe the government doesn't take that percentage of income in - and look at what we get.
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Btw - I have visited the US. Isn't it time you paid a return visit? Or are you agoraphobic?
my relatives left the place and probably for a good reason so why go back to someplace they left for good. I used to drive a truck all over the country so don't think agoraphobic applies.
If you are happy living in a no fail society have at it, many americans like to stand on their own two feet and enjoy a sense of personal achievement and want no part of the hive animal mentality you enjoy living under the Queen. We like being independant creatures like an Eagle, if you people like being ants or bee's enjoy.
Quite a lot of your compatriots in the meantime have been marrying Canadians so they can have some healthcare benefits. As for agoraphobic - yes you are. Otherwise you would realise there is a lot better world out there.
They do have you well brainwashed with Horiatio Alger though...
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Niggers - is that what you mean by "them"? I thought your governments solution was to lock them up on mass. Over here we are a little more progressive and treat them (rightfully) as equals.
Btw - I have visited the US. Isn't it time you paid a return visit? Or are you agoraphobic?
"them"
if you had a clue you would know most people on government aid are white trash and it's evident how your mind works because you saw a few blacks faces an assumed it was something racial.
Nah - I just know the ridiculous way your society still treats people on the grounds of the colour of their skin.
Oh btw - statistics please, I didn't know "white trash" was a category used typically in research. Plus I think you should look up the amount spent of welfare - my suspicions are that it won't be a massive amount.
did you visit tourist areas ?
here's what you didn't visit
My tax rate on first $16,000 is 20% than jumps to 30% and at around $40,000 it's 40%
Under clinton I was paying 47.8% tax on every dollar I made over about $30,000 a year
Ha - we pay less tax over here and actually get a health and education system. Just shows how thick the average American really is.
Well if you Americans would tax the rich properly...
$8 tillion of personal income was reported to the federal government.
$4 trillion was collected in taxes by the state,local & federal government and we are building up future promises daily we aren't putting a cent aside to pay for and not even collecting enough in taxes to pay the day to day cost of government, just going deeper into debt.
and you think this country should spend even more money it doesn't have to support more liberal programs when it can't even afford to pay for the ones it currently has.
No - all it needs to do is stop private companies making a profit out of the government. Like HMO's for instance. In Europe the government doesn't take that percentage of income in - and look at what we get.
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companies remit their profits to the people who own shares in them, they aren't some alien life form from another planet that rapes the country and leaves with the profits besides the creature called Toyota and a few others who haul boat loads of money out of here. Our corporations will turn the tables soon, we are just in a rut and will get back to pillaging & plundering the world, we are good at it. :thumbup:
this country doesn't treat black people much different than white people, a good man or woman will do just fine, a self destructive idiot won't do well. Many black people are self destructive, there is no plot against them.
Plus I think you should look up the amount spent of welfare - my suspicions are that it won't be a massive amount.
where exactly to you believe a lot of the $4 trillion spent by the government goes ?
I could mine for the numbers again and hand them to you, but I've already done my homework, you haven't done yours have you if you don't know if it's a massive amount or not.
http://www.cbo.gov/budget/data/historical.pdf
http://vteh.org/content/slideshow
it's the weekend so the government computers are down for updates and shit like that.
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Btw - I have visited the US. Isn't it time you paid a return visit? Or are you agoraphobic?
my relatives left the place and probably for a good reason so why go back to someplace they left for good. I used to drive a truck all over the country so don't think agoraphobic applies.
If you are happy living in a no fail society have at it, many americans like to stand on their own two feet and enjoy a sense of personal achievement and want no part of the hive animal mentality you enjoy living under the Queen. We like being independant creatures like an Eagle, if you people like being ants or bee's enjoy.
Quite a lot of your compatriots in the meantime have been marrying Canadians so they can have some healthcare benefits. As for agoraphobic - yes you are. Otherwise you would realise there is a lot better world out there.
They do have you well brainwashed with Horiatio Alger though...
I live on a country road in vermont, retired at 45 , have health insurance and overall got it made and you believe i should look to europe for the good life ? you are cracking me up :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Btw - I have visited the US. Isn't it time you paid a return visit? Or are you agoraphobic?
my relatives left the place and probably for a good reason so why go back to someplace they left for good. I used to drive a truck all over the country so don't think agoraphobic applies.
If you are happy living in a no fail society have at it, many americans like to stand on their own two feet and enjoy a sense of personal achievement and want no part of the hive animal mentality you enjoy living under the Queen. We like being independant creatures like an Eagle, if you people like being ants or bee's enjoy.
Quite a lot of your compatriots in the meantime have been marrying Canadians so they can have some healthcare benefits. As for agoraphobic - yes you are. Otherwise you would realise there is a lot better world out there.
They do have you well brainwashed with Horiatio Alger though...
I live on a country road in vermont, retired at 45 , have health insurance and overall got it made and you believe i should look to europe for the good life ? you are cracking me up :lol: :lol: :lol:
I could do similar at age 35 if I wanted to - assuming I don't make the expensive investment of having children (which you clearly haven't made).
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Socialism is a very broad area of the political spectrum - really its split into several categories (including for instance Social Democracy and Communism). The welfare state is primarily a leftest thing - or at least very interconnected with it.
Though Bismarck was hardly a socialist. Nazi Germany was also a welfare state for those who were wanted there...
Britain hasn't done too badly out of immigration really - though now we are beginning to cut down.
We are over 9 millions in Sweden, but less than 8 millions are ethnical Swedes. All parties in the parliament are for almost unrestricted immigration. 30000-50000 a year get PUT, "permanent right to stay". Immigrants throw away their passports and claim that they are political refugees and are allowed to stay...
Just wondering - are you currently employed yourself, and would that make much difference in terms of what benefit you get?
I'm unemployed. I would have less rent benefit if I had an employment, but the other things would be the same. More than 50% of the Swedish Aspies are unemployed. A friend of mine has two degrees, one as a university engineer and one as a professional film maker. He still is unemployed...
Have you seen Sicko yet? Aspie's in the US can't even get health insurance.
Nope, haven't watched it.
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Btw - I have visited the US. Isn't it time you paid a return visit? Or are you agoraphobic?
my relatives left the place and probably for a good reason so why go back to someplace they left for good. I used to drive a truck all over the country so don't think agoraphobic applies.
If you are happy living in a no fail society have at it, many americans like to stand on their own two feet and enjoy a sense of personal achievement and want no part of the hive animal mentality you enjoy living under the Queen. We like being independant creatures like an Eagle, if you people like being ants or bee's enjoy.
Quite a lot of your compatriots in the meantime have been marrying Canadians so they can have some healthcare benefits. As for agoraphobic - yes you are. Otherwise you would realise there is a lot better world out there.
They do have you well brainwashed with Horiatio Alger though...
I live on a country road in vermont, retired at 45 , have health insurance and overall got it made and you believe i should look to europe for the good life ? you are cracking me up :lol: :lol: :lol:
I just envy you the gun law and that Vermont probably is pretty free from towelheads/sandniggers...or real niggers for that matter...
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Socialism is a very broad area of the political spectrum - really its split into several categories (including for instance Social Democracy and Communism). The welfare state is primarily a leftest thing - or at least very interconnected with it.
Though Bismarck was hardly a socialist. Nazi Germany was also a welfare state for those who were wanted there...
Nazism was literally Nationalist Socialism - just Hitler gave it a really bad name by going after the Jews and others.
Britain hasn't done too badly out of immigration really - though now we are beginning to cut down.
We are over 9 millions in Sweden, but less than 8 millions are ethnical Swedes. All parties in the parliament are for almost unrestricted immigration. 30000-50000 a year get PUT, "permanent right to stay". Immigrants throw away their passports and claim that they are political refugees and are allowed to stay...
I would have no idea how many people over here are ethnic British around here. What I do know is the nationalists have started campaigning hard.
Just wondering - are you currently employed yourself, and would that make much difference in terms of what benefit you get?
I'm unemployed. I would have less rent benefit if I had an employment, but the other things would be the same. More than 50% of the Swedish Aspies are unemployed. A friend of mine has two degrees, one as a university engineer and one as a professional film maker. He still is unemployed...
Can't you guys train as teachers or something. Its my plan if everything goes to pot - I already know of a few who have done just that.
Have you seen Sicko yet? Aspie's in the US can't even get health insurance.
Nope, haven't watched it.
Its worth a watch. Here is a link if you need it:
http://www.warez-bb.org/viewtopic.php?t=1424130&highlight=
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Nazism was literally Nationalist Socialism - just Hitler gave it a really bad name by going after the Jews and others.
If Hitler saw Europe today I think he would change from anti-Semitism to anti-Islamism in less than 5 minutes. The British "Führer" Oswald Mosley made a very interesting speech many years after the war on how after-war European "co-operation" (the later EU) was merely a fraud that the capitalists pushed onto the masses.
I would have no idea how many people over here are ethnic British around here. What I do know is the nationalists have started campaigning hard.
Until the end of WWII Sweden was to about 99% ethnically Swedish. There is a total consensus among the establishment that "we" shall take in as many immigrants from the 3rd world as possible. Only the Nazis and semi-Nazis oppose it. The government, parliament and media don't give a fuck what the Swedish citizens think of this policy. Every criticism is branded as "racism", even if it comes out of the authorities' own statistics, like the statistics for immigrant-related crimes for instance. I vote for the National Democrats myself.
Can't you guys train as teachers or something. Its my plan if everything goes to pot - I already know of a few who have done just that.
I prefer unemployment to some degrading "training". All my time is my own.
Its worth a watch. Here is a link if you need it:
http://www.warez-bb.org/viewtopic.php?t=1424130&highlight=
You need to register. I'll do that later. ;)
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Btw - I have visited the US. Isn't it time you paid a return visit? Or are you agoraphobic?
my relatives left the place and probably for a good reason so why go back to someplace they left for good. I used to drive a truck all over the country so don't think agoraphobic applies.
If you are happy living in a no fail society have at it, many americans like to stand on their own two feet and enjoy a sense of personal achievement and want no part of the hive animal mentality you enjoy living under the Queen. We like being independant creatures like an Eagle, if you people like being ants or bee's enjoy.
Quite a lot of your compatriots in the meantime have been marrying Canadians so they can have some healthcare benefits. As for agoraphobic - yes you are. Otherwise you would realise there is a lot better world out there.
They do have you well brainwashed with Horiatio Alger though...
I live on a country road in vermont, retired at 45 , have health insurance and overall got it made and you believe i should look to europe for the good life ? you are cracking me up :lol: :lol: :lol:
I could do similar at age 35 if I wanted to - assuming I don't make the expensive investment of having children (which you clearly haven't made).
I would have it made married with children also because people that apply themselves are allowed to get ahead inspite of all the mooches best efforts to drag everyone down to their level of misery.
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I have free health insurance. Thanks to being on SSI. I also get it from work too except it's not free so I have two health insurances. So of course aspies can get health insurance. Be on social security or have a job that has health insurance. In Montana, anyone can have Medicare if they have low income. Someone else at my old job had it too because she had low income.
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I would have no idea how many people over here are ethnic British around here.
easy answer: none.
honestly, hadron, wake up: there's no such thing as "ethnic british". we're nearly as much of a melting pot as the americans, made up from jutes, angles, saxons, celts (who came from what is now germany, probably originally from asia), picts, britons, normans, hugenots, romans, blah, blah, blah.
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I would have no idea how many people over here are ethnic British around here.
easy answer: none.
honestly, hadron, wake up: there's no such thing as "ethnic british". we're nearly as much of a melting pot as the americans, made up from jutes, angles, saxons, celts (who came from what is now germany, probably originally from asia), picts, britons, normans, hugenots, romans, blah, blah, blah.
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Where does bitch fit in, because you are one :wanker: :-* :-*
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Nazism was literally Nationalist Socialism - just Hitler gave it a really bad name by going after the Jews and others.
If Hitler saw Europe today I think he would change from anti-Semitism to anti-Islamism in less than 5 minutes. The British "Führer" Oswald Mosley made a very interesting speech many years after the war on how after-war European "co-operation" (the later EU) was merely a fraud that the capitalists pushed onto the masses.
Nah the Muslim's are not wealthy - the Jews were an easy target because they had a disproportionate amount of the nations wealth.
I would have no idea how many people over here are ethnic British around here. What I do know is the nationalists have started campaigning hard.
Until the end of WWII Sweden was to about 99% ethnically Swedish. There is a total consensus among the establishment that "we" shall take in as many immigrants from the 3rd world as possible. Only the Nazis and semi-Nazis oppose it. The government, parliament and media don't give a fuck what the Swedish citizens think of this policy. Every criticism is branded as "racism", even if it comes out of the authorities' own statistics, like the statistics for immigrant-related crimes for instance. I vote for the National Democrats myself.
I think that is more to do with the EU and its own immigration policies - correct me if I am wrong. The majority of Swedes don't seem to agree with you - your party managed nationally only about 3000 votes.
Can't you guys train as teachers or something. Its my plan if everything goes to pot - I already know of a few who have done just that.
I prefer unemployment to some degrading "training". All my time is my own.
Since when has teacher training been degrading? Its another year bumming around at uni as far as I am concerned. Plus I get a healthy salary for not too much work along with very secure job prospects.
Its worth a watch. Here is a link if you need it:
http://www.warez-bb.org/viewtopic.php?t=1424130&highlight=
You need to register. I'll do that later. ;)
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Enjoy :)
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I would have no idea how many people over here are ethnic British around here.
easy answer: none.
honestly, hadron, wake up: there's no such thing as "ethnic british". we're nearly as much of a melting pot as the americans, made up from jutes, angles, saxons, celts (who came from what is now germany, probably originally from asia), picts, britons, normans, hugenots, romans, blah, blah, blah.
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Yes I am aware if it, just as I am sure if you stretch back 1000 years it would be a similar case in Sweden. Though to compare like for like with Lit we would be looking at immigration post WWII
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Nah the Muslim's are not wealthy - the Jews were an easy target because they had a disproportionate amount of the nations wealth.
There are other reasons to hate them...
I think that is more to do with the EU and its own immigration policies - correct me if I am wrong. The majority of Swedes don't seem to agree with you - your party managed nationally only about 3000 votes.
The Swedes are naïve. They simply can't get it that the "decent" politicians are lying to them and destroying our country on purpose for the sake of PC. They think the thing will solve itself. The Swedes also usually don't understand that the Arabs in Israel are the aggressors...The SD got more votes, but they are cowards who don't dare to speak out their racism in an honest way.
Since when has teacher training been degrading? Its another year bumming around at uni as far as I am concerned. Plus I get a healthy salary for not too much work along with very secure job prospects.
Considering that I have an IQ higher than 98% of the entire Earth's population, they should come and respectfully ask me what work I could consider decent and worthy...
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Nah the Muslim's are not wealthy - the Jews were an easy target because they had a disproportionate amount of the nations wealth.
There are other reasons to hate them...
I know a couple who are very likeable.
I think that is more to do with the EU and its own immigration policies - correct me if I am wrong. The majority of Swedes don't seem to agree with you - your party managed nationally only about 3000 votes.
The Swedes are naïve. They simply can't get it that the "decent" politicians are lying to them and destroying our country on purpose for the sake of PC. They think the thing will solve itself. The Swedes also usually don't understand that the Arabs in Israel are the aggressors...The SD got more votes, but they are cowards who don't dare to speak out their racism in an honest way.
Same with all political systems - politicians main jobs these days are getting re-elected.
Since when has teacher training been degrading? Its another year bumming around at uni as far as I am concerned. Plus I get a healthy salary for not too much work along with very secure job prospects.
Considering that I have an IQ higher than 98% of the entire Earth's population, they should come and respectfully ask me what work I could consider decent and worthy...
I know how you feel - society should come to us. Though I don't personally mind teaching for 20 hours a weeks and getting paid a load for it. Then I can spend the rest of my time sleeping and other more productive things.
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Btw - I have visited the US. Isn't it time you paid a return visit? Or are you agoraphobic?
my relatives left the place and probably for a good reason so why go back to someplace they left for good. I used to drive a truck all over the country so don't think agoraphobic applies.
If you are happy living in a no fail society have at it, many americans like to stand on their own two feet and enjoy a sense of personal achievement and want no part of the hive animal mentality you enjoy living under the Queen. We like being independant creatures like an Eagle, if you people like being ants or bee's enjoy.
Quite a lot of your compatriots in the meantime have been marrying Canadians so they can have some healthcare benefits. As for agoraphobic - yes you are. Otherwise you would realise there is a lot better world out there.
They do have you well brainwashed with Horiatio Alger though...
I live on a country road in vermont, retired at 45 , have health insurance and overall got it made and you believe i should look to europe for the good life ? you are cracking me up :lol: :lol: :lol:
Good for you. I'm sure those people in Detroit are happy for you, too.
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Good for you. I'm sure those people in Detroit are happy for you, too.
I'm sure they could care less and as far as Michigan goes they blew all their wealth like it would never end and didn't save for a rainy day. Sort of like the whole country has wasted it's wealth on entertainment while importing everything.
What you should be concerned about is everyone in the USA saying damn we got to go back to work and doing just that and ramping up industrial production. All it would take is some changes in our tax laws to make investing in production the best place to put money and changing the trucking regulations to move the production and we could once again kick ass.
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i fucking love you Had. ;D
I do, too. I've been in hundreds of these types of discussions with teeanage, pie-eyed know-it-alls when I was in photography work.
They go around in circles, saying the same thing, because that's really all they know to do.
The best part is watching them change and grow.
So you guys wouldn't mind if I printed some of these responses off and gave them out in my tutorial presentation (on nothing other than equality). I think the reaction might be interesting.
Nah, I don't care.
You live in a world devoid of personal responsibility, asking for all those you CAN to DO for you.
If it makes you feel more enabled to make fun of those who DO, then go for it. Your abilities will hit the wall at some point and you will look to those who actually have tried and failed, tried again and failed, but finally come to a balance with life's challenges.
We won't allow your Utopian nonsense to affect our daily lives, without a fight that you will lose.
BTW, I know exactly what your peers' responses will be. I've seen it too many times, already. You will have three or four who are smart enough to see ahead and hundreds more who have sucked full cheek deep into the dick of socialist promises and still expect that the nature of humans in power to be benign in their dealing with the "expecting."
Try not to be so expecting of finding a path well traveled worth pursuing and make your own damn way.
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i fucking love you Had. ;D
I do, too. I've been in hundreds of these types of discussions with teeanage, pie-eyed know-it-alls when I was in photography work.
They go around in circles, saying the same thing, because that's really all they know to do.
The best part is watching them change and grow.
So you guys wouldn't mind if I printed some of these responses off and gave them out in my tutorial presentation (on nothing other than equality). I think the reaction might be interesting.
Nah, I don't care.
You live in a world devoid of personal responsibility, asking for all those you CAN to DO for you.
If it makes you feel more enabled to make fun of those who DO, then go for it. Your abilities will hit the wall at some point and you will look to those who actually have tried and failed, tried again and failed, but finally come to a balance with life's challenges.
I prefer to see to look at people who hit a few brick walls before eventually breaking them down myself.
We won't allow your Utopian nonsense to affect our daily lives, without a fight that you will lose.
Better shoot Obama quickly. Before he takes the oath...
BTW, I know exactly what your peers' responses will be. I've seen it too many times, already. You will have three or four who are smart enough to see ahead and hundreds more who have sucked full cheek deep into the dick of socialist promises and still expect that the nature of humans in power to be benign in their dealing with the "expecting."
Try not to be so expecting of finding a path well traveled worth pursuing and make your own damn way.
I can tell you that I am probably the only socialist student in the room (there are one or two quiet ones who could end up being on my side). The rest are disgustingly conservative - but even they I doubt would be so quick to attack European values.
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be damned if I can figure out how I fucked your quoptes.
try again after some cooffee.
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i fucking love you Had. ;D
I do, too. I've been in hundreds of these types of discussions with teeanage, pie-eyed know-it-alls when I was in photography work.
They go around in circles, saying the same thing, because that's really all they know to do.
The best part is watching them change and grow.
So you guys wouldn't mind if I printed some of these responses off and gave them out in my tutorial presentation (on nothing other than equality). I think the reaction might be interesting.
Nah, I don't care.
You live in a world devoid of personal responsibility, asking for all those you CAN to DO for you.
If it makes you feel more enabled to make fun of those who DO, then go for it. Your abilities will hit the wall at some point and you will look to those who actually have tried and failed, tried again and failed, but finally come to a balance with life's challenges.
I prefer to see to look at people who hit a few brick walls before eventually breaking them down myself.
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Then why act as if you are too ignorant to see the eventualities of what you propose?
We won't allow your Utopian nonsense to affect our daily lives, without a fight that you will lose.
Better shoot Obama quickly. Before he takes the oath...
Nonsense, right?
I am standing beside my president. I have a fear that he will take some things tooo far, but the things that need changing, right fucking NOW(!) will call him to courage, from what little we have seen of him. My hopes are high, but my confidence is not quite so high, him being so charismatic and all.
BTW, I know exactly what your peers' responses will be. I've seen it too many times, already. You will have three or four who are smart enough to see ahead and hundreds more who have sucked full cheek deep into the dick of socialist promises and still expect that the nature of humans in power to be benign in their dealing with the "expecting."
Try not to be so expecting of finding a path well traveled worth pursuing and make your own damn way.
I can tell you that I am probably the only socialist student in the room (there are one or two quiet ones who could end up being on my side). The rest are disgustingly conservative - but even they I doubt would be so quick to attack European values.
It is not the values I would attack so much. It is the implementation at the expense of freedoms, that I would defend against. Don't forget, our ways are based on the freedoms and rights which you have already said we should not even have in the first place.
:violin:
Freedom to fuck one another over is what these "freedoms" and "rights" amount too - or at least the ones I am referring to. Actually I am sure you could find a couple of backers in the room - some like shooting their pheasants too much.
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not sure I got the pheasants reference
sorry I fucked up the quotes. need cofffee
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not sure I got the pheasants reference
sorry I fucked up the quotes. need cofffee
Its an English pastime that certain richer people do - they would agree with you on some of these freedoms, but for a different (and horrible) set of reasons - as in they want to freedom to lord it over the working class kind of thing.
Don't worry about the quotes - I am pretty shoddy myself at times.
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i fucking love you Had. ;D
I do, too. I've been in hundreds of these types of discussions with teeanage, pie-eyed know-it-alls when I was in photography work.
They go around in circles, saying the same thing, because that's really all they know to do.
The best part is watching them change and grow.
So you guys wouldn't mind if I printed some of these responses off and gave them out in my tutorial presentation (on nothing other than equality). I think the reaction might be interesting.
Nah, I don't care.
You live in a world devoid of personal responsibility, asking for all those you CAN to DO for you.
If it makes you feel more enabled to make fun of those who DO, then go for it. Your abilities will hit the wall at some point and you will look to those who actually have tried and failed, tried again and failed, but finally come to a balance with life's challenges.
I prefer to see to look at people who hit a few brick walls before eventually breaking them down myself.
Then why act as if you are too ignorant to see the eventualities of what you propose?
We won't allow your Utopian nonsense to affect our daily lives, without a fight that you will lose.
Better shoot Obama quickly. Before he takes the oath...
Nonsense, right?
I am standing beside my president. I have a fear that he will take some things tooo far, but the things that need changing, right fucking NOW(!) will call him to courage, from what little we have seen of him. My hopes are high, but my confidence is not quite so high, him being so charismatic and all.
BTW, I know exactly what your peers' responses will be. I've seen it too many times, already. You will have three or four who are smart enough to see ahead and hundreds more who have sucked full cheek deep into the dick of socialist promises and still expect that the nature of humans in power to be benign in their dealing with the "expecting."
Try not to be so expecting of finding a path well traveled worth pursuing and make your own damn way.
I can tell you that I am probably the only socialist student in the room (there are one or two quiet ones who could end up being on my side). The rest are disgustingly conservative - but even they I doubt would be so quick to attack European values.
It is not the values I would attack so much. It is the implementation at the expense of freedoms, that I would defend against. Don't forget, our ways are based on the freedoms and rights which you have already said we should not even have in the first place.
:violin:
Freedom to fuck one another over is what these "freedoms" and "rights" amount too - or at least the ones I am referring to. Actually I am sure you could find a couple of backers in the room - some like shooting their pheasants too much.
I hope this fixes the quotes, DirtDawg. One of the slashes went the wrong way on the [\quote].
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Wow I'm rich I've been pheasant hunting and I'm not even English
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My brother in law....er my boyfriend's brother told me their uncle threw a tantrum about Obama winning but he is racist.
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Wow I'm rich I've been pheasant hunting and I'm not even English
In Europe it's a "sport" for rich people and nobility. The average English or Swedish hunter doesn't hunt pheasants. That's for businessmen, Lords, Barons and Counts...and they don't hunt for the meat, like ordinary people do.