TheZach stop lurking around and step into the ring.

[Phlexor]

I'm not impressed.

Like I could give two hoots.

You wanted me to care though, so you could drop the bombshell on me and hurt my precious feelings.

When the fuck did you go and get 'precious feelings'?

 

I'm going to murder you someday.

Aw, you say the nicest things.

[Al Swearegen]

Well, if there is no further business beyond simple name-calling, if the threesome find that fun then they are welcome to continue it, I'll not bother unless I have something I wish to add.

Now most of what you wrote is gibberish peppered with emoticons, "diddums", pathetic put downs and asking whether I felt bad. So in answer to all of that. "No, not really, but I do think you are dribbling a load of bullshit and I would love you to keep making an ass of yourself."

Is that it? Has it come down to..."I don't like you and think you are X,Y,Z, and I wanna call you names"
OK. Well done Nocturnalist. Hope you achieved whatever end result you were chasing. I think you may have proved you are an oxygen thief.

Or was there more.....drum roll..............

Good to see you are now with the program you ass. 
See I knew with a large IQ like yours the Lion of Gestalt would (what's that phrase?) "connect the dots"

Big hand for Nocti everyone  a clever, clever man male and a wonderful human being

[The_Chosen_One]

And HE called me slow. Shit, if we were in a greyhound race, I'd have passed the finish line before he got out of the gate. As I said, closet intellectuals; too busy finding their way out of the overcoats at the back to notice that things are progressing in the real world. He's like a sloth on the verge of becomeing a newt... he'll get better, but don't hold your breath waiting. I bet his last 'conquest' just lay back and smoked a pack of Pall Malls while he was cracking a fat. Couldn't get satisfied, so he (because I doubt Nocti would be chasing skirt) decided to tug off. Took his 'conquest' about 20 orgasms before Nocti got to the pre-cum stage, then Nocti lost his fat and gave up in a blubbering heap. His 'conquest' was later seen leaving Nocti's flat, and when viewed up closely, it seemed that it was... wait for it... TheZach. No wonder Nocti was here trying to justify his protection of him on Gaystalt. Yes, Gestalt, the 'Blue Oyster' of the internet, where men are men and the sheep are nervous as hell. I hear they back up better if you use a cliff......

[The Member Formerly Known As Sophist]

Hmm, has anybody else noticed how similar these two statements are? 

Autism -- everybody has an illness. If I behaved like a fool, my father called me a fool. And he said to me, "Don't behave like a fool." The worst thing he said -- "Don't behave like a fool. Don't be anybody's dummy. Don't sound like an idiot. Don't act like a girl. Don't cry." That's what I was raised with. That's what you should raise your children with. Stop with the sensitivity training. You're turning your son into a girl, and you're turning your nation into a nation of losers and beaten men. That's why we have the politicians we have.

Oh, and Crocturdnalist, no, I haven't started yet. I'm only getting warmed up. You, however, are fading into obscurity like the pissweak little whining prat you are. Did your dad ever smack you for givbing him the shits while he was checking the form guide? No? Oh, that's right, you fairies don't believe in discipline such as corporal punishment. Maybe a good clip around the ear-hole would have knocked some sense into that addled brain of yours. But then again, I guess maybe that might not even work, given that we'd have trouble finding a brain inside that cavernous skull of yours.

Just smack those kids around a bit more that'll learn 'em. Seems to have done wonders for both Savage and Chosen One. 

[The_Chosen_One]

Hmm, has anybody else noticed how similar these two statements are? 

Autism -- everybody has an illness. If I behaved like a fool, my father called me a fool. And he said to me, "Don't behave like a fool." The worst thing he said -- "Don't behave like a fool. Don't be anybody's dummy. Don't sound like an idiot. Don't act like a girl. Don't cry." That's what I was raised with. That's what you should raise your children with. Stop with the sensitivity training. You're turning your son into a girl, and you're turning your nation into a nation of losers and beaten men. That's why we have the politicians we have.

Oh, and Crocturdnalist, no, I haven't started yet. I'm only getting warmed up. You, however, are fading into obscurity like the pissweak little whining prat you are. Did your dad ever smack you for givbing him the shits while he was checking the form guide? No? Oh, that's right, you fairies don't believe in discipline such as corporal punishment. Maybe a good clip around the ear-hole would have knocked some sense into that addled brain of yours. But then again, I guess maybe that might not even work, given that we'd have trouble finding a brain inside that cavernous skull of yours.

Just smack those kids around a bit more that'll learn 'em. Seems to have done wonders for both Savage and Chosen One. 

Except I rarely needed it. And as for this Savage bloke (Lily's brother, maybe?); never heard of him before seeing his name on Wankplanet. Now I happen to believe in a bit of corporal punishment (as opposed to beating the shit out of kids), and I believe that the more discipline people have when they are younger, the less they are likely to become fuckwits and morons in adult life. Obviously Nocti had the run of the house......

[The Member Formerly Known As Sophist]

There's a difference between discipline and aggression. Which is the entire reason there's such an anti-physical punishment movement amongst parents nowadays, like spanking, etc., mainly because many individuals in the past didn't comprehend that difference and beat the shit outta kids in the guise of "discipline". --So it's the rubberband effect where parents are prone to give too little discpline.

Setting boundaries, making limits, being the parent (as opposed to the child's "best friend"), and enforcing consequences are all possible without taking out the razor strap-- or, might I add, clipping a kid about the ear.

[The_Chosen_One]

There's a difference between discipline and aggression. Which is the entire reason there's such an anti-physical punishment movement amongst parents nowadays, like spanking, etc., mainly because many individuals in the past didn't comprehend that difference and beat the shit outta kids in the guise of "discipline". --So it's the rubberband effect where parents are prone to give too little discpline.

Setting boundaries, making limits, being the parent (as opposed to the child's "best friend"), and enforcing consequences are all possible without taking out the razor strap-- or, might I add, clipping a kid about the ear.

Which is total bullshit, because the kids in today's society run rampant and laugh at authority. Had we still had the discipline of the 60s and earlier, like the strap at school and a clip across the ear now and then, then there would be less violence in the schoolground, and less violence on the streets. It's protectionist nanny pseudo-intellectuals who know fuck all about raising kids while writing books on the subject who have fucked things up entirely. Time-outs don't work for kids when they have all the luxuriies in their rooms. Setting boundaries does fuck all when the kid says 'no, fuck that. I'll do what I want! And you can't stop me!' The crap on about so called rights. The only rights they should have are the rights that their parents give them, and the authorities that set the rules. The day that 'spare the rod and spoil the child' went out the window was the first step to the bullshit we have in the school system and the gang violence we have on the streets. Generation Y is a direct result of Nanny state discipline, and have a lot to answer for.

[Al Swearegen]

Well, if there is no further business beyond simple name-calling, if the threesome find that fun then they are welcome to continue it, I'll not bother unless I have something I wish to add.

[Pyraxis]

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[The_Chosen_One]

I think he meant something smells to high heaven. Probably Nocturnalist's feet. Or his breath. Or both.

[Al Swearegen]

 

No. FAIL.

[The_Chosen_One]

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Nocti, have you been advertising again?

  well ans truly.

[The Member Formerly Known As Sophist]

There's a difference between discipline and aggression. Which is the entire reason there's such an anti-physical punishment movement amongst parents nowadays, like spanking, etc., mainly because many individuals in the past didn't comprehend that difference and beat the shit outta kids in the guise of "discipline". --So it's the rubberband effect where parents are prone to give too little discpline.

Setting boundaries, making limits, being the parent (as opposed to the child's "best friend"), and enforcing consequences are all possible without taking out the razor strap-- or, might I add, clipping a kid about the ear.

Which is total bullshit, because the kids in today's society run rampant and laugh at authority. Had we still had the discipline of the 60s and earlier, like the strap at school and a clip across the ear now and then, then there would be less violence in the schoolground, and less violence on the streets. It's protectionist nanny pseudo-intellectuals who know fuck all about raising kids while writing books on the subject who have fucked things up entirely. Time-outs don't work for kids when they have all the luxuriies in their rooms. Setting boundaries does fuck all when the kid says 'no, fuck that. I'll do what I want! And you can't stop me!' The crap on about so called rights. The only rights they should have are the rights that their parents give them, and the authorities that set the rules. The day that 'spare the rod and spoil the child' went out the window was the first step to the bullshit we have in the school system and the gang violence we have on the streets. Generation Y is a direct result of Nanny state discipline, and have a lot to answer for.

Once again, clearly you are not comprehending the differences between:

1. this so-called sensitivity training and being the kid's "friend"
2. true discipline with well-defined parent/child roles and appropriate boundaries
3. beating the fuck out of your kid

Gosh, gee, I know the differences are so SUBTLE, Chosen One, so let me explain a little further. The first option lets the child run amok (one which it sounds like the both of us thinks is a crock of shit, no?); the second is where physical means are usually not used but discipline and consequences are still properly enforced-- at the same time the child doesn't fear getting the crap beat out of him for doing something wrong; and third, your option, is where the answer is physical. So in your alternative, the child only learns to avoid certain things just out of fear... so once the parent is no longer in the picture to clip the person about the ear (like say when the kid grows up), then they're more prone to revert to doing what they like.

Is fear an unuseful motivator? No, absolutely not. Should it be the answer to a child's development? I hope not.

In 1 and 3, the person remains the moral equivalent of a 3 yo who fears getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Ideally, the 2nd option instills responsibility in the child, something they can take with them through life, since it is more of a cooperative relationship rather than the parent beating the shit out of the child and the child just submitting to avoid further pain.

I know it's subtle, but... 

[Al Swearegen]

There's a difference between discipline and aggression. Which is the entire reason there's such an anti-physical punishment movement amongst parents nowadays, like spanking, etc., mainly because many individuals in the past didn't comprehend that difference and beat the shit outta kids in the guise of "discipline". --So it's the rubberband effect where parents are prone to give too little discpline.

Setting boundaries, making limits, being the parent (as opposed to the child's "best friend"), and enforcing consequences are all possible without taking out the razor strap-- or, might I add, clipping a kid about the ear.

Which is total bullshit, because the kids in today's society run rampant and laugh at authority. Had we still had the discipline of the 60s and earlier, like the strap at school and a clip across the ear now and then, then there would be less violence in the schoolground, and less violence on the streets. It's protectionist nanny pseudo-intellectuals who know fuck all about raising kids while writing books on the subject who have fucked things up entirely. Time-outs don't work for kids when they have all the luxuriies in their rooms. Setting boundaries does fuck all when the kid says 'no, fuck that. I'll do what I want! And you can't stop me!' The crap on about so called rights. The only rights they should have are the rights that their parents give them, and the authorities that set the rules. The day that 'spare the rod and spoil the child' went out the window was the first step to the bullshit we have in the school system and the gang violence we have on the streets. Generation Y is a direct result of Nanny state discipline, and have a lot to answer for.

Once again, clearly you are not comprehending the differences between:

1. this so-called sensitivity training and being the kid's "friend"
2. true discipline with well-defined parent/child roles and appropriate boundaries
3. beating the fuck out of your kid

Gosh, gee, I know the differences are so SUBTLE, Chosen One, so let me explain a little further. The first option lets the child run amok (one which it sounds like the both of us thinks is a crock of shit, no?); the second is where physical means are usually not used but discipline and consequences are still properly enforced-- at the same time the child doesn't fear getting the crap beat out of him for doing something wrong; and third, your option, is where the answer is physical. So in your alternative, the child only learns to avoid certain things just out of fear... so once the parent is no longer in the picture to clip the person about the ear (like say when the kid grows up), then they're more prone to revert to doing what they like.

Is fear an unuseful motivator? No, absolutely not. Should it be the answer to a child's development? I hope not.

In 1 and 3, the person remains the moral equivalent of a 3 yo who fears getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Ideally, the 2nd option instills responsibility in the child, something they can take with them through life, since it is more of a cooperative relationship rather than the parent beating the shit out of the child and the child just submitting to avoid further pain.

I know it's subtle, but... 

Yes and no Sophist. I think that, and I am not arguing rights or wrongs here, a kid (or adult) "doing what they like when the parent is not there to clip them under the ear" is not nearly a foregone conclusion and I think you know that. It is simplifying the argument. Much in the way our fears or "self-imposed" values, desires, and hopes as adults ARE precisely because when the parent stops giving ourselves a hard time we become the parents and the inhibitors to our growth and pleasure.
The parent may be dead and buried yet the psychological modification on an impressionable mind runs deep impressions in the values of the adult mind.
THis is not to say that the "fear " is still there but the unpalatableness of a behaviour or the desire to avert a set behaviour may remain. The mind has matured and the adult has their own mores and values yet there are certain things.....

But look at me gibbering about psychology to someone who is trained in psychology and probably unleash a Pandora's Box of psychological-analytical kick-arsery on me. It is 12:30am I ought to be in bed. Night. 

[The_Chosen_One]

But thie thing is Sophist, you clearly have missed the point, as all psychologists before seem to have. Years ago here, if a cop ran across a kid fucking around, he would give them a good kick in the arse and forcibly take the kid home and tell his/her parents what they'd been up to. Authority was respected then, because the kid also copped a hiding from his/her parents and never fucked up again. Compare that to today, where the soft approach is taken by people who know nothing about raising kids at all, and those kids run amok, spraying graffiti, stealing radios, assaulting and robbing old people, and even toting guns at school (Columbine). They are told by counsellors and psychologists they they have the right to report abuse (which these pseudo intellectuals have told them spanking is), and thus think they can get away with murder. Have you raised children or been in a position to see what children are like growing up? No? Then obviously you know nothing about what you are talking about. I benefitted from discipline at school and home, and if I fucked up, i knew the consequences of my actions. It's called TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR ONES ACTIONS. You don't have proper discipline or authority, you get chaos, which is what we have today. Now you think I might be a bit harsh on the psychological fraternity, but since I haven't seen anything of value come out of them in the way of child rearing and behaviour, I feel that anything they say is likely to be a crock of shit.