Father-Daugther incestous couple have come out

[Calandale]

There's no clear evidence that gender is a social construct?

Uhm...THAT would be a complete redefinition.
Exactly why I object.

I've studied this at university
Gender IS a social construct, whether you like it or not

1. Ah, and that makes you an expert in etymology?

2. The point is this, JUST those whom you've studied it
from are the ones who have redefined the word. There are
people who teach and study eubonics as a language. Doesn't
make it so. There are probably people who study the 'Mideast'
when it's really the Near East.

[Calandale]

You won't be getting any lesbians anyway

probably not. Never know though.
I've tended to appeal.

[Persona]

You appeal to my bi side 

There's no clear evidence that gender is a social construct?

Uhm...THAT would be a complete redefinition.
Exactly why I object.

I've studied this at university
Gender IS a social construct, whether you like it or not

1. Ah, and that makes you an expert in etymology?

2. The point is this, JUST those whom you've studied it
from are the ones who have redefined the word. There are
people who teach and study eubonics as a language. Doesn't
make it so. There are probably people who study the 'Mideast'
when it's really the Near East.

But what makes you so sure that YOU are right?

[Teejay]

I've studied this at university
Gender IS a social construct, whether you like it or not

Do not automatically believe in academic theories like that.

In our brains there is wiring if you call that that determines if we identify ourselves as male or female and even determines our behavior to an extent. This wiring matches a person's biological sex, however in transgender people the wiring is of the opposite sex than biological one. While a transsexual woman for example is biologically male, mentally she is female.

[Calandale]

You appeal to my bi side 

?

But what makes you so sure that YOU are right?

Fair question, and not much, except having been
around when it didn't mean what soph claims. When
there were arguments that sex was the wrong thing to
ask on forms, because the division is gender.

[Calandale]

In our brains there is wiring if you call that that determines if we identify ourselves as male or female and even determines our behavior to an extent. This wiring matches a person's biological sex, however in transgender people the wiring is of the opposite sex than biological one. While a transsexual woman for example is biologically male, mentally she is female.

Is this 'wiring' proven? I've seen nothing to indicate
that it is. If so, I'd be more willing to accept that
gender need have nothing to do with sex.

[Sophgay]

There have been studies which have shown the brains of transsexual women (MTF) are more similar to those of biological females

[Teejay]

Is this 'wiring' proven? I've seen nothing to indicate
that it is. If so, I'd be more willing to accept that
gender need have nothing to do with sex.

It is difficult to generalize typical male and female behaviors, but they are there because they were shaped by mating strategies. For instance males are much more likely to engage in risky behavior because that is linked to the male impulse to impregnate as many females as possible.

[Calandale]

There have been studies which have shown the brains of transsexual women (MTF) are more similar to those of biological females

I'm aware of these. I don't believe that it's been accepted
as conclusive however. And, it's those who use the word as
a social construct whom I really oppose. That's not the meaning.

They should've come up with some new word.

It's like if I started calling dogs wolves. It just doesn't work.

[Persona]

You appeal to my bi side 

?

But what makes you so sure that YOU are right?

Fair question, and not much, except having been
around when it didn't mean what soph claims. When
there were arguments that sex was the wrong thing to
ask on forms, because the division is gender.

You know, I don't like anal 

Arguments change over time, due to more research.

[Calandale]

Is this 'wiring' proven? I've seen nothing to indicate
that it is. If so, I'd be more willing to accept that
gender need have nothing to do with sex.

It is difficult to generalize typical male and female behaviors, but they are there because they were shaped by mating strategies. For instance males are much more likely to engage in risky behavior because that is linked to the male impulse to impregnate as many females as possible.

Wow. As soon as you get into sexual selection, you enter a murky
ground between pure biology and something more ephemeral.

Though, it seems obvious that something is odd as to 'mating strategies' with
homosexual activity. 

Brings up an interesting idea.

[Calandale]

You know, I don't like anal 

How you gonna take me then? 

Arguments change over time, due to more research.

Yeah, but this is a matter of the argument being made obsolete,
due to a redefinition of the word. Something which I don't think
should have happened.

[Sophgay]

Why does it matter to you that gender is now considered to be a social construct? what do you want it to be defined as?

[Mr Smith]

All I can say is it's wrong to bring a child into it.

Is it wrong to bring a child into a bum-loving gay couple?

Gays aren't as "taboo" as incest. I'm sure the child would get less shit at school if it had gay parents.

So people should only have kids if those kids will fit in at school?  Once upon a time, gays were very much taboo, and a kid with gay parents could count on a tough childhood.  Does that mean it used to be wrong for gays to have kids, but it's ok now?

I have nothing against Gays and incest people having kids in a moral way. I just think it's unfair on the kid.  Less so for gay couples though.  Having a hard childhood myself makes me consider the childs feelings more than the issue "is it wrong for them to have kids".

[Calandale]

I have nothing against Gays and incest people having kids in a moral way. I just think it's unfair on the kid.  Less so for gay couples though.  Having a hard childhood myself makes me consider the childs feelings more than the issue "is it wrong for them to have kids".

I agree. And think it's even more unfair for those who suffer
from depression to have children - for they are liable to suffer
their whole life