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Re: I would like to know the simple facts why everyone hates Alex Plank
« Reply #120 on: February 23, 2008, 02:34:01 PM »
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Thanks for posting all this, Monastic.

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Don't quote the whole damned thing!  :laugh:

What's even worse, I quoted "the whole damned thing" in the Member's Choice Awards as well, because I hope that this brilliance never gets lost.

http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?topic=7868.0

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Do I win the Award for the Longest Posting?   :1st:    I Can Haz Badge?

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Re: I would like to know the simple facts why everyone hates Alex Plank
« Reply #121 on: February 23, 2008, 02:35:06 PM »
Fuckin hell... someone read all of that?
I came to this world with nothing
and I leave with nothing but love,
everything else is just borrowed.

Fuck it, we'll do it live.

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Re: I would like to know the simple facts why everyone hates Alex Plank
« Reply #122 on: February 23, 2008, 02:37:06 PM »
Fuckin hell... someone read all of that?

What?

Reading is a problem?
Jimi Hendrix: When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. 

Ghandi: Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever.

The end result of life's daily pain and suffering, trials and failures, tears and laughter, readings and listenings is an accumulation of wisdom in its purest form.

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Re: I would like to know the simple facts why everyone hates Alex Plank
« Reply #123 on: February 23, 2008, 02:37:42 PM »
Fuckin hell... someone read all of that?

I read every single word of that.

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Re: I would like to know the simple facts why everyone hates Alex Plank
« Reply #124 on: February 23, 2008, 02:39:57 PM »
It wouldn't be such a problem, except that it has such poor formatting.
I came to this world with nothing
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everything else is just borrowed.

Fuck it, we'll do it live.

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Re: I would like to know the simple facts why everyone hates Alex Plank
« Reply #125 on: February 23, 2008, 02:44:02 PM »
can someone please highlight the intresting parts in the longest post ever. :P :laugh:

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Re: I would like to know the simple facts why everyone hates Alex Plank
« Reply #126 on: February 23, 2008, 02:45:27 PM »
can someone please highlight the intresting parts in the longest post ever. :P :laugh:

You have short attention span too?

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Re: I would like to know the simple facts why everyone hates Alex Plank
« Reply #127 on: February 23, 2008, 03:21:03 PM »
Do I win the Award for the Longest Posting?   :1st:    I Can Haz Badge?

you can certainly has badge.  8)

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Re: I would like to know the simple facts why everyone hates Alex Plank
« Reply #128 on: February 23, 2008, 04:14:50 PM »
can someone please highlight the intresting parts in the longest post ever. :P :laugh:
You have short attention span too?
is it fucking midnight were you live yet?

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Re: I would like to know the simple facts why everyone hates Alex Plank
« Reply #129 on: February 23, 2008, 06:05:01 PM »
Do I win the Award for the Longest Posting?   :1st:    I Can Haz Badge?

Not quite sure, I think that "honor" goes to atomikpsicko, BUT, that was pure gibberish by a non member.  Monastic's post was a REAL post by a REAL member.  So it gets the longest LEGITIMATE post award!   :thumbup:  :indeed:

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Re: I would like to know the simple facts why everyone hates Alex Plank
« Reply #130 on: February 23, 2008, 06:57:30 PM »
i guess it was just one of those "you had to have been there moments :(

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Re: I would like to know the simple facts why everyone hates Alex Plank
« Reply #131 on: February 24, 2008, 01:46:55 AM »
can someone please highlight the intresting parts in the longest post ever. :P :laugh:

I will try to summarize it:

Will Freund wrote a suicidal post on WP on October 4, 2005:

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Buhaha Useing the info from on the bust stop, also known as ash and Geo Stones Book I have found a simple and painless way to kill myself!All Im asking Before I do this, and threaten many websites.
Things Id like to have
Free money, Trouble getting jobs,and even in and out cant afford my expensive tastes, im a compulsive buyer now since theres nothing to do, I finish things to quickly.
Instant Friends
Ive always been a caregiver and A Volunteer But nobody wants to be my friend or after a conversation its so ackward I would say the average person lasts 3 days.Never had a friend my entire life and have no one on my cell phone besides my parents...had my cellphone since I was 16,I am 19 now.
My own residence with help getting cheap medication
Cant afford to live on my own,but having some place to live away from my onvercontroling abusive dad will be a positive to my life.

I absolutly hate anomity , but at the same time hate talking to people,anxiety.
I dont know im gona see where this goes its a dumb idea, im sure alot of people have tried it, thus this is why ytou dont see it


There had been lots of people just before then writing "suicidal posts" just to troll, so some people answered like they thought that Will Freund was trolling, saying things like "knock yourself out."

Monastic was very concerned that Will Freund was seriously suicidal, as were several moderators, so they thought that people should not be responding like that to Will Freund if he was actually suicidal. 

She posted this in the Mod forum on WP:

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I was worried about a member on WrongPlanet.  I addressed this when I wrote this thread on the moderators only forum;
(me, writing to the other moderators)
"I think this thread should be watched carefully;
http://www.wrongplanet.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&
I'm not sure if this person is being upfront with a threat of suicide or if it is just another of those goofy "tests" that has been posted lately and then is said to be "all in the name of fun & games"

For ________ to tell them to knock themselves out is truly inappropriate I feel (even as a joke) but what I feel is inappropriate is not usually what the majority feels so I thought I'd ask all of you.
(at this time I had just been challenged and called names for making a call on a post that I thought was inappropriate for the general forum.  I felt the post should be moved to a mature forum and there was opposition regarding this action) 
I went on to say;

I don't think suicide scares are something to be treated lightly (or to be done as a joke, for that matter). If someone follows through with suicide, it could backfire on WP to be seen as a site where members replied to the victim, "knock yourself out...lol""
(At the time, I didn't realize how prophetic this post would become)

They had a long discussion about it. 

Will Freund made more posts that sounded suicidal, Monastic was trying to talk to him by PM and several moderators were trying everything that they could think of to figure out who Will Freund was and how to get him some help IRL, but Alex Plank did nothing until after Will Freund killed a neighbor and himself, then he seemed primarily interested in milking the publicity.

Some people were angry at the moderators, saying that they should have done more, but they did the best they could at the time with what they had:

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On October 30th, one of the administrators posted this in the mods only forum;
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"a heads up, people:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=6849

if this is willfreund, we need to keep an eye on the thread, to see how people respond - feelings might run high, especially confusion, shock, maybe even guilt (have had to deal with stuff like this before). with any luck, it won't happen, but just in case.

and we need to be absolutely clear that no-one here is in any way accountable or responsible for anything which has happened. any feelings of "if only i'd/we'd done x..." are normal, but there isn't anything anyone could have done to prevent this."
_________
One Admin. wrote;
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"OK,

I am guessing that this is Willfreund1 for a couple of reasons. One, the story is true. I verified it with the LA Times. Two, his IP links had oc in them. It could mean either Orange County (or Oklahoma City for all we know).

In either case, we have to act for when the witch hunt gets underway."



....and a witch hunt it was.  I feel under the circumstances and being who we were, we did the best we could with the abilities we had.  Only ALEX PLANK had the ability to ban Will or turn him in to the authorities and he kept silent when he should have taken action.
The experience has changed me forever.  I was at least "coming out of my shell" a bit more, at least online and now, it's everything I can do to force myself to speak to others online, I mostly lurk.  I doubt myself alot and my advice & can't help but feel responsible even though in my heart I really doubt we could have changed Will's mind on his suicide - I just wish we could have prevented others from being killed. 

I believe the wrong medications and parents/doctors not listening to Will when he tried to let them know that he was taking something that wasn't working was the ultimate reason things went so terribly wrong.  He had decided on suicide long before he came to WrongPlanet, I believe.  He just hadn't worked out the time or the details, yet.

So, I'm sure you have your own feelings on what should have, would have, could have been.  It's been years since this tragic day but still I think of what could have happened, what we could have done that could have changed the course of  history for these poor people and one very troubled young man.   All ALEX PLANK could think of with a sort of Sick-Enjoyment, was how many people would visit WrongPlanet after this tragic event.  I will forever remember this about Alex. 




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Re: I would like to know the simple facts why everyone hates Alex Plank
« Reply #132 on: February 24, 2008, 01:56:05 AM »
Fuckin hell... someone read all of that?


I read most of it.

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Re: I would like to know the simple facts why everyone hates Alex Plank
« Reply #133 on: February 24, 2008, 02:01:45 AM »
I think I heard about him when I first joined WP. I can remember WP got sued because they failed to report it. The article about the place being sued was on AFF and I reposted the link on WP and there was a discussion there as well and the link was removed from my message and I was baffled by it when I saw it wasn't there but now I know it was removed by one of the mods. 

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Re: I would like to know the simple facts why everyone hates Alex Plank
« Reply #134 on: February 24, 2008, 02:04:52 AM »
my stuff used to suspiciously disappear as well