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Limits of free speech
« on: July 12, 2007, 06:20:22 PM »
A topic that has been on my mind for a while here is how do we deal with the grey areas that border free speech and criminal activity.

A prime example is these videos that are popular with kids where they go out on the streets, find a random victim, and beat them near to death, and post the video online.

If someone was to post a video like that here how would you feel about having it on our site??

Personally, I'd feel a bit like an accomplice by giving the perpertrators the attention they crave especially if the video was presented in a glorifying manner. The only exception I could see to this is if the video was presented in a documentary type manner to simply point out the facts of what happened.

What are your thoughts on this??

PS please vote twice, once for your opinion, and one if we should vote on it in the WC.
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Re: Limits of free speech
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2007, 06:49:01 PM »
this should be talked about in the WC.
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Re: Limits of free speech
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2007, 07:14:11 PM »
I'm all for free speech...but I can see where the videos would be a form of condoning the activity.
the LAST thing people who are that disturbed need, is encouragement.

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Re: Limits of free speech
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2007, 07:15:30 PM »
Quote from: willow on July 12, 2007, 07:14:11 PM
I'm all for free speech...but I can see where the videos would be a form of condoning the activity.
the LAST thing people who are that disturbed need, is encouragement.


someone should be allowed to post them.  and if the members are outraged by them, then they will call them out.
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Re: Limits of free speech
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2007, 07:17:02 PM »
Quote from: McJagger on July 12, 2007, 07:15:30 PM
Quote from: willow on July 12, 2007, 07:14:11 PM
I'm all for free speech...but I can see where the videos would be a form of condoning the activity.
the LAST thing people who are that disturbed need, is encouragement.


someone should be allowed to post them.  and if the members are outraged by them, then they will call them out.

<Nods> I voted that they should be looked at on a case by case basis, rather than policed.

it is hard to balance what *should* be, when you are thinking of four 12 year olds beating a homeless person
for the sake of you tube. ugh.
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Re: Limits of free speech
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2007, 07:19:52 PM »
let you tube police themselves.

we have an 18 or older policy here.  anything goes.  if people are upset by the content, then they start flaming the a-hole.  i think that we have done a pretty damn good job in the past policing ourselves as a community....without rules or moderation.
i think it just becomes a slippery slope if you begin to pre-define everything for its morality.
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Re: Limits of free speech
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2007, 08:21:15 PM »
Quote from: willow on July 12, 2007, 07:14:11 PM
I'm all for free speech...but I can see where the videos would be a form of condoning the activity.
the LAST thing people who are that disturbed need, is encouragement.



I agree.  But how much of a problem has it been?  Can the WC vote on a case-by-case basis?
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Re: Limits of free speech
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2007, 08:24:01 PM »
i'm dead against such videos being posted, we're not allowed to post kitty porn, this is no different in the end.
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Re: Limits of free speech
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2007, 02:54:58 AM »
depends on the legality, i'd say.  that's what we did about the porn stuff, a million years ago, or whenever it was.
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Re: Limits of free speech
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2007, 04:42:50 AM »
Kiddie porn and other clearly illegal stuff shouldn't be allowed because they jeopardize the whole site (apart from the moral implications all of which I'm purposefully avoiding here). Practically speaking, the limits should be set by our host.
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Re: Limits of free speech
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2007, 05:33:46 AM »
yep - that's what i meant.

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Re: Limits of free speech
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2007, 05:40:10 AM »
I think we should rape your asshole until
you see the light. Or choke up some blood.
Whichever comes first.
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Re: Limits of free speech
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2007, 05:46:29 AM »
is that supposed to be amusing, shocking or merely your fantasy?

none of which worked for me, incidentally.   :yawn:
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Re: Limits of free speech
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2007, 05:54:48 AM »
Damn. Too drunk to quote the statement I was
responding to.

Still, better than you could manage, sorry.
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Re: Limits of free speech
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2007, 05:55:54 AM »
excuses.  pathetic.
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