Abortion

[Scrapheap]

I certainly hope you're not implying people in foster care are destined to become psychopaths.

No, they're not DESTINED, just more likely. The stats proved it.

[El]

You know much more about foster care than I do, but even I know that there are some very good foster homes and some very bad ones.  Some people who do it because they really love the kids and others who just want the money.  I read about a two or three year old boy who was beaten to death by his foster father because he soiled himself.  I read about another little boy who was beaten to death by his foster mother with a wooden spoon because he would not mind her.  In another state, one little boy was taken from his mother because he was overweight and his foster parents made him chop wood with an axe and mow their lawn with a gasoline powered lawn mower.  He was just eight years old.  His mother had to jump through all sorts of hoops with social services to get him back home and it took months, but she could not do anything about the dangerous things his foster parents were making him do in the meantime.  There are biological parents who do horrible things to their children too, but I have read some truly horrible things that have happened to children in foster care, which is especially surprising to me because foster parents and homes have to be certified by social services.   How are these social service people so easily fooled by foster parents, yet they take children from their loving biological parents and put them into abusive or dangerous situations?  I think they view biological parents very negatively and they view foster parents very positively and their bias warps their judgement.

I personally think there's too much of a bias to keep families TOGETHER.  Just because someone gave birth to a child doesn't give them any qualifications to being able to raise him or her.

In my experience, there's good, bad, and ugly, just like with biological parents.  I've seen people who are loving and really want to help, I've seen people who really want to help but were actually fucking all of us up horrifically (but still probably less than the bio parents of the main family who was there- long story), and one psychotic bitch who wasn't in it for the money but rather because she wanted the chance to raise kids who DIDN'T turn out like her alcoholic son, who later trashed their house.  (She was a psychotic bitch for other reasons, too.)

It's not specifically foster care that's fucked up.  It's humanity.

[ozymandias]

+ for Serissa   Who puts it in a perfectly sized nutshell.

[jonathan79]

i suspect that he meant that it depemded on the care given by the care givers.

Yep

I certainly hope you're not implying people in foster care are destined to become psychopaths.

No, they're not DESTINED, just more likely. The stats proved it.

Exactly

Yes, there are some good foster parents out there.  But, if abortion gets outlawed, the system will probably skew towards those that are in it for the money.  We will need millions more of these good foster parents should abortion be outlawed, yet I don´t believe that these millions are out there.  Those who truly, truly want to help are most likely in the game already. 

No, giving birth doesn´t qualify someone as a good parent, but outlawing abortions is a sure way to bring in parents who are gauranteed to not want their children.  After all, they wouldn´t be considering abortion in the first place if they wanted to raise a child. 

[Calandale]

Yes, there are some good foster parents out there.  But, if abortion gets outlawed, the system will probably skew towards those that are in it for the money. 

or the food, or sex toys.

[Scrapheap]

I just can not understand the Christian point of view.

Now, if a baby is aborted, it has no change to sin, thus it will automatically go to heaven (using religious logic).  Therefore, all aborted babies go to heaven, using that logic.

Well, any parent would want their children to go to heaven, right?  And what better method of insuring that then making sure they never have the chance to sin in the first place?

How can anyone believe in heaven, that sin prevents one from reaching heaven, and allow their children the change to be born (and to sin)?

So, using that logic, only a monster would not abort their children.  And good Christian would send their children to heaven before hey are born.

http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=7041&start=240

[Eclair]

I don't agree with abortion in one sense because it can have long lasting emotional damage to some...then again, so can having an unwanted child...

I particularly detest it when abortion is illegal.  It used to illegal in the state I live in and basically people had to fly interstate to have them.

Just wish the extreme pro lifers wouldn't protest out the front of legal clinics...they just add to the emotional trauma to the people concerned.  What would be more productive is to dedicate their lives to unwanted children or educating the community on parenting...I don't know, but I just think protesting is not going to make a couple walk away from the clinic and say, 'oh thank God those people saved us from making the biggest mistake of our lives'. 

[Calandale]

I just wish that the extreme pro-deathers would organize
and work harder for mandatory abortion.

[Eclair]

I just wish that the extreme pro-deathers would organize
and work harder for mandatory abortion.

Mandatory?  As in - abort ALL babies?

[Calandale]

I just wish that the extreme pro-deathers would organize
and work harder for mandatory abortion.

Mandatory?  As in - abort ALL babies?

Don't think small. We can do better.
Postnatal too.

[Eclair]

I just wish that the extreme pro-deathers would organize
and work harder for mandatory abortion.

Mandatory?  As in - abort ALL babies?

Don't think small. We can do better.
Postnatal too.

No, I reckon keep at least some of the babies...abort the parents...that's what the problem is.  The idiots bringing them up.

[Calandale]

Sure. Kill ALL those who are viable, and let the little buggers
fend for themselves. Seems a little crueler than my solution,
but whatever gets the job done. A little bit of suffering in
order to reduce the potentiality for more.

[McGiver]

Sure. Kill ALL those who are viable, and let the little buggers
fend for themselves. Seems a little crueler than my solution,
but whatever gets the job done. A little bit of suffering in
order to reduce the potentiality for more.

in essence:

you fear competition for the limited resources that you desire.

[Calandale]

Sure. Kill ALL those who are viable, and let the little buggers
fend for themselves. Seems a little crueler than my solution,
but whatever gets the job done. A little bit of suffering in
order to reduce the potentiality for more.

in essence:

you fear competition for the limited resources that you desire.

I counted myself (perhaps foolishly) amongst the viable.
Pretty much anything that is mobile.

[rjgwood]

If the religious right had its way, all abortions would be declared unlawful, and those who performed them and those who had them would be subject to prosecution for murder, and there would be no statute of limitations.

Rhonda