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DirtDawg, I'm calling you out you commie

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Minister Of Silly Walks:
For the purposes of this callout, DirtDawg must argue in favour of severe restrictions on ownership of guns, and I will argue in favour of the "right to bear arms".

Others may chip in with their opinions and comments, only DD and myself are required to stay "in character" throughout.

This is just a bit of fun rather than a competition.

Minister Of Silly Walks:
To kick things off, where I believe that those in favour of individual gun rights go wrong is that they pick the wrong arguments.

I don't care about stats from Singapore or Taiwan or Australia. Your stats don't mean that my rights go away.

Those stats don't matter when I'm staring down the barrel of someone else's gun and I don't have my own gun to defend myself with because "Singapore has less murders, man".

When those in favour of the right to own and carry firearms start trying to support their case with stats, all they are doing is allowing the opponents of freedom and the proponents of a state monopoly on violence to present their own stats. And the argument isn't about stats and it's never been about stats so why even go there?

DirtDawg:

Guns kill people. No reason to own one unless you plan to kill people. Statistics support this. You do not need to strap on a gun to pop over to the deli for a sub and some suds.
Just get rid of them. No reason to stare down the barrel of anything.

As far as stats go, you should just listen and stop trying to cloud things up with figures and math. So, Yeah, do not even go there.

Besides, your Second Amendment thinking is about two hundred and forty years old.

Since you people are all such "What Would Jesus Do?" types, maybe you should ask yourself what kind of gun Jesus needed.

Minister Of Silly Walks:
What would Jesus do?

Jesus would turn the other cheek and end up nailed to a crucifix by the government.

Jesus is a really good argument for what happens if you are not equipped to defend your life when push comes to shove.

As for the 2nd amendment being 240 years old, I'm old too and if anyone tries to throw me out on that basis I'll shoot them.

As for not needing a gun for a trip to the deli, what happens if I'm on my way to the deli and I encounter someone who "looks" like he might be a burglar? How am I going to shoot him if I don't have a gun?

As for stats, yeah. All the stats in the world don't change my right to shoot people who look like burglars or to protect myself and my family.

You would have us live in a world where our only line of defense is to hide under the bed and call the police and hope that they aren't in a donut coma or busy shooting journalists in the head with rubber bullets. That's not how free citizens should live.

Minister Of Silly Walks:
It also pays to remember that, even if you live in a relatively peaceful place and the police will come and save you if you call them while you are hiding under your bed and whimpering, that your sense of peace and stability is largely an illusion.

History is scattered with the debris of civilizations that got lazy and abrogated their right to defend themselves with deadly force to the police or to the military. Because when it all comes crumbling down, and people are hungry and afraid, you gotta be prepared to use deadly force to defend those you care about and your 4,000 cans of baked beans and 500 rolls of dunny paper.

Because the day when the state says to you "you don't have the right to defend yourself, we will defend you, trust us" is the day you gotta start worrying.

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