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Re: By what metric do you measure social decay??
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2016, 08:12:24 PM »
I was drinking and thinking last night, what causes societies to decay and the best answer I could come up with is a breakdown of parenting culture.

If you look at the sorry state that blacks in America are in, it can easily be explained by over 75% of black babies being born to single mothers, often with multiple baby dadys. I've seen some of these mothers in action. They invest very little effort into their kids and mostly let them grow up like weeds. The results are predictable.

Now this is happening in white society too, since feminism told us in the 70's that women should dump their kids off at day care and go have careers just like their husbands, the quality of their kids is in decline too.

I'm thinking at this point that you could draw a chart between the amount of time that mothers spend investing in the raising of their kids and the health of society. As parenting declines, so does society as a whole.

The problem I have is coming up with a metric to show the results of declining parenting culture producing a decline in society. What would be the most accurate result to measure??

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The premise in the opening remarks to this thread are flawed, racist, and sexist. Fathers should have a key role in raising their children as well and creating a society where all people not only have an equal chance and share, but where parents don't have to slave away at jobs away from their kids 5+ days a week wouldn't hurt either. We have really made a shite system. The rich have almost all of the world's wealth and the rest of us are like indentured servants beholden to a society that makes a work well past the time our bodies are healthy to do so. Capitalism is BULLSHIT! Money is BULLSHIT! Humans, as a species, are MORONS!
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Re: By what metric do you measure social decay??
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2016, 08:20:29 PM »
Off topic (slightly), but I don't ever recall seeing a male cashier at Wal-mart, K-mart, Target, etc.  There have been some at the grocery chains.
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Re: By what metric do you measure social decay??
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2016, 09:38:35 AM »
The premise in the opening remarks to this thread are flawed, racist, and sexist.

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Re: By what metric do you measure social decay??
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2016, 09:49:10 AM »
The premise in the opening remarks to this thread are flawed, racist, and sexist.

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Re: By what metric do you measure social decay??
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2016, 06:29:31 PM »
I aspire for a Star Trek-like utopia where there is no hunger, no want or need, and everyone can aspire to be what they want and not be beholden to the nonsense humans have created, so knock that all you want...I am proud that I look past the stupid labels you all want to put on me and my belefs. Shows how closed-minded, arrogant, and egotistical you both are.
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Re: By what metric do you measure social decay??
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2016, 06:46:52 PM »
I aspire for a Star Trek-like utopia where there is no hunger, no want or need

These are the very things that push people forward to strive and succeed. Get rid of these things and you will have a world of lazy entitled cry babies.

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Re: By what metric do you measure social decay??
« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2016, 06:53:36 PM »
I aspire for a Star Trek-like utopia where there is no hunger, no want or need

These are the very things that push people forward to strive and succeed. Get rid of these things and you will have a world of lazy entitled cry babies.

You seriously think hunger is a good thing?

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Re: By what metric do you measure social decay??
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2016, 07:13:20 PM »
There's no such possible thing as a world without need; humans simply have needs. Though considering a scenario where basic human needs are adequately met for everyone without striving for those needs to be met, will agree with Pappy that a world without want would be highly problematic. Desire is what drives people to aspire, and a world without want is a world of complacency.

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Re: By what metric do you measure social decay??
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2016, 07:27:32 PM »
I aspire for a Star Trek-like utopia where there is no hunger, no want or need

These are the very things that push people forward to strive and succeed. Get rid of these things and you will have a world of lazy entitled cry babies.

You seriously think hunger is a good thing?

Humans have the capacity to be and do so much more. It is sad that so many people are so closed off or complacent and thus incapable of thinking outside the narrow box that has been placed around society et al like shackles. No child should be hungry or not have proper health care. There should be no war, no poverty, no hate, no labels (race, nationality, etc.), and so on. We COULD achieve all of this and so much more, but those in power, who make their living off of being in control, keep the masses under the influence of a corrupt and flawed system that deteriorates our environment and our minds, pitting humans against each other so the masses don't rise up and say, "ENOUGH!" Sadly, I do think there will be a major uprising within the next century, but when it does come, things will be so bad it will be a massive and deadly "reset" rather than a peaceful transition to a better world and society for all. Greed is so powerful, which is why Capitalism is so flawed. Great minds, thinkers, inventors, etc. would still strive to do their things. I am a theoretical physicist. I don't do what I do for money. I do it for the intellectual challenge, as do most scientists. You take away the shackles from money and absolutely we would all achieve more. We've been in this messed up system for so long, that there is too much complacency. Especially in the US, where kids are brainwashed into the sole thinking that Capitalism is great and Socialism, Communism, or anything else is terrible without even understanding what they really are. Communism, as it was written by Karl Marx, was supposed to be a utopian society where everyone was equal and the government provided for all. He also recognized how it was difficult to achieve (hasn't yet been done, because those that get the power don't want to give it up and be equal) and that there would be a transitional period that wasn't ideal. But you know...'Murica!
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Re: By what metric do you measure social decay??
« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2016, 08:05:03 PM »
a utopian society where everyone was equal
One of the reasons societies tend to thrive on capitalism may be that humans don't really want to be equal, much less to not be allowed to be anything more than equal. Personally think the human ego is an important element in human survival, and people have a fundamental desire to be special or important in some way; to be better than. The human ego is the one thing that keeps humanity from falling completely into the harsh reality of existential nihilism and simply offing themselves.

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Re: By what metric do you measure social decay??
« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2016, 09:15:56 PM »
a utopian society where everyone was equal
One of the reasons societies tend to thrive on capitalism may be that humans don't really want to be equal, much less to not be allowed to be anything more than equal. Personally think the human ego is an important element in human survival, and people have a fundamental desire to be special or important in some way; to be better than. The human ego is the one thing that keeps humanity from falling completely into the harsh reality of existential nihilism and simply offing themselves.

There is some truth to that, but I think it is more driven from a baser survival element from evolution and the idea of ego really comes about as a more artificial construct of the societal systems we have constructed.

I am an idealist, but also a realist. We can be better. We should be better. It sickens me listening to the political rhetoric, especially from the right. They have created such a divide with their propaganda for so long that this is why we have what we have here in the coming election. They didn't have a single, remotely viable candidate. Their platform is one of hate, discrimination, and lining the pockets of the wealthy. The left is corrupt too and boned it up by fixing the nomination and not allowing for the candidate that was likely an easy win be the nominee.
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Re: By what metric do you measure social decay??
« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2016, 11:04:32 PM »
The USA right and left both seem to be becoming increasingly polarized and contemptuous of each other.
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Re: By what metric do you measure social decay??
« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2016, 11:48:57 PM »
The USA right and left both seem to be becoming increasingly polarized and contemptuous of each other.

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Re: By what metric do you measure social decay??
« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2016, 04:48:39 PM »
The USA right and left both seem to be becoming increasingly polarized and contemptuous of each other.

I think the progressives are divisive and the root cause. Conservatives and classical liberals no pro, just different opinions
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Re: By what metric do you measure social decay??
« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2016, 10:34:42 PM »
The USA right and left both seem to be becoming increasingly polarized and contemptuous of each other.

That is a fair assessment.
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