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Brexit omelette with ham and cheese.
Minister Of Silly Walks:
--- Quote from: Yuri Bezmenov on September 09, 2020, 09:32:30 PM ---What part of "Disrupt" did you guys miss??
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I read the whole paragraph that contained the word "disrupt" rather than looking at a single word and drawing implications from that.
Minister Of Silly Walks:
--- Quote from: Shledge on September 09, 2020, 06:54:02 AM ---
--- Quote from: Minister Of Silly Walks on September 08, 2020, 06:41:19 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shledge on September 08, 2020, 03:20:44 PM ---People on the left voting for brexit are just as stupid, IMO.
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Putting it down to stupidity, though, is papering over a LOT of issues that have led us to where we are.
Huge numbers of people are misinformed and terrified of leftists in general. The conservatives and the right know exactly what they are doing and they are extremely well funded and they know how to get into people's heads.
And the reality is that the working class and, increasingly, much of the middle class has been progressively getting screwed over for decades. They know that they are getting screwed over, they just don't know the mechanics of it. Many are buying the portrayal of leftists as "globalists" and blame the left for offshoring of manufacturing and service jobs, and immigration programs designed to undercut the rights and conditions of the working class and some professions. Immigration is not inherently a problem, immigration as a tool of neoliberalism IS inherently bad.
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It was stupid in terms of the referendum (they could have gave multiple options rather than a simple yes/no, as there is on single agreed upon kind of brexit), and I do think the people who voted for it, regardless of their justification, are also stupid for thinking it was a good idea.
Regardless if you did it for some misguided aim to have a socialist utopia or not, it will fuck the country up. Hard. We're already seeing the effects of this (even before covid), and brexit hasn't even fully happened yet. I spent 4 years battling with mental health issues... purely because of it. It's fucking crazy.
This is why, as a leftist, I get annoyed at some other leftists - no concept of pragmatism at all. All they care about is ideological purity rather than the wellbeing of people.
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But did the majority of people who voted for brexit do so because they weighed up the expert opinions and made an informed decision? Or did they vote for brexit because they were pissed off with the status quo, and had every right to be pissed off with the status quo?
This may come as a shock, but most people are neither smart nor well-informed. But they know when they are being screwed.
The mainstream left is no longer appealing to most people who should be leftists.
Walkie:
--- Quote from: Minister Of Silly Walks on September 09, 2020, 09:49:34 PM ---
--- Quote from: Yuri Bezmenov on September 09, 2020, 09:32:30 PM ---What part of "Disrupt" did you guys miss??
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I read the whole paragraph that contained the word "disrupt" rather than looking at a single word and drawing implications from that.
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ditto
--- Quote from: Minister Of Silly Walks on September 09, 2020, 09:59:30 PM ---
But did the majority of people who voted for brexit do so because they weighed up the expert opinions and made an informed decision? Or did they vote for brexit because they were pissed off with the status quo, and had every right to be pissed off with the status quo?
This may come as a shock, but most people are neither smart nor well-informed. But they know when they are being screwed.
The mainstream left is no longer appealing to most people who should be leftists.
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Every time I set out to respond to this thread, some other thing distracts me.
Well, NVM, Gotta thank you. profusely Mo, for making many of the points I wanted to make :plus: :plus: :plus:
BTW, you forgot to say thats álmost entirely because the "mainstream left " are not actually Left. And neither is the EU. People are not that daft, but the word ""left" has become so corrupted that folk fail to find a word for what's lacking.
Dirty Big Yoke:
--- Quote from: Yuri Bezmenov on September 09, 2020, 09:32:30 PM ---What part of "Disrupt" did you guys miss??
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What, are you annoyed that we didn't come to the same conclusion? I've read your link, and I'm not reggie, so my reading comprehension skills are pretty good.
The whole point of it all is to allow people to do whatever they want in terms of families without being shamed by current societal norms (which at the moment, puts nuclear families on a weird pedestal). Nuclear? Go for it. Single parenting? Sure! Extended families? Away you go!
As someone who deems themselves a libertarian, shouldn't you be fine with this?
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