Hey Americans!

[ZEGH8578]

Soon you'll have to come over here again :0
NATO and all that :0
Allies :0
Sure we hate your fucking guts, but hey! Europa + America is like = Our guns suddenly multiplied with four.
That's a good deal, regardless of your goddamn, hopeless retardedness, borderline-analphabetism, fascist tendencies, racism, colonialism and corrupt world exploitation!

It is seeming more and more likely Russia will invade Finland at least within our all timeline. Finland is not a NATO nation, but is increasingly tempted to join, something that a Russian envoy described as pretty much a disastrous choice for Finland and Europe as well.
Finland is to be incorporated peacefully into Russia, according to Russian unofficial global-politic theories.
Therefore, if Finland is allied with a major military alliance, according to the Russian envoy - this woudl equal "Another full-out war in Europe", was what he said.

Finland connecting with Europe - equals a war across Europe.
Nice, Russia. That's... nice!

At the end of that, he described "russophobia", and basically did the whole "Stop looking at me like that or I'll punch you" to someone not even looking. He added that rampant "russophobia" in Finland would provoke this situation untill there is no turning back, and that the 2nd worst "russophobe" country after Finland, was Sweden.

This is dick-swinging of course, but very specific. This type of dick-swinging can be an attempt at "softening the shock" - remember, this isn't meant so much for US, its not a warning to EUROPE! It is a message to RUSSIA!
It is a Russian envoy - telling the Russian people: "SO! I went to Finland, and told them to stop murdering Russian babies! They told me they didn't know what I was talking about! I TRIED!"

Same shit as the Americans were doing about Arabs and terrorists and such. Finns apparently hate Russians "for deyr freedom", and as such, Russia "will be forced" to invade.

[ZEGH8578]

Also, this isn't about "Lol Russia vs Finland, deyre gonna lose!"

Times have changed.
In 1939 Russia attacked with Central Asian cossacks, in a war-hardened Finland (Civil war prior). Finnish veterans, relishing in their own winter, had a "field day" with Russian conscripts.

This is different. 1, they're not gonna repeat themselves. 2. Finnish boys play playstation all day. 3. Russia is ripe with blood-thirsty war-veterans, from conflicts all over Caucasus.

["couldbecousin"]

  America must get involved!  We must protect the Moomins! 

[ZEGH8578]

That is of course the lil paradox here
If Finland stands alone, their prospects are a peaceful reincorporation into Russia
If Finland decides to accept American help, Russia seems prepared to take on NATO. That, in particular may not seem all too likely. We've spent the past 20 years laughing at Russian military technology.
But
Feet back on the ground, back to reality, the world's 2nd or 3rd biggest military is no laughing matter, and their technology IS NOT stone-age stuff. It is in fact modern, contemporary technology. The idea that their shit is vastly outdated IS FALSE It is propaganda!

[Pyraxis]

That is kind of scary.

I think the USA should keep their noses out of it. It is not their business.

But if I were in Finland I would be wanting to join the EU.

[Semicolon]

America, fuck yeah! Wait, is there oil in Finland?

I think that you underestimated how many guns America has.

[Pyraxis]

Me? What does the number of guns in the USA have to do with politics on the other side of the world? Handguns cannot shoot that far. 

[Semicolon]

Me? What does the number of guns in the USA have to do with politics on the other side of the world? Handguns cannot shoot that far. 

ZEGH had mentioned it.

[ZEGH8578]

As a pragmatic man, I have no choice but to hope Finland will stay unaligned, and that they'll take the brunt of that on their own shoulders

I do wonder tho, if my eager aspie friend, military-enthusiast, will travel to Finland, to help them fight!
"FEAR NOT FINNS! I HAVE ARRIVED! :O"

[Semicolon]

As a pragmatic man, I have no choice but to hope Finland will stay unaligned, and that they'll take the brunt of that on their own shoulders

I do wonder tho, if my eager aspie friend, military-enthusiast, will travel to Finland, to help them fight!
"FEAR NOT FINNS! I HAVE ARRIVED! :O"

You say that as if Russia is a match for NATO by itself.

[ZEGH8578]

As a pragmatic man, I have no choice but to hope Finland will stay unaligned, and that they'll take the brunt of that on their own shoulders

I do wonder tho, if my eager aspie friend, military-enthusiast, will travel to Finland, to help them fight!
"FEAR NOT FINNS! I HAVE ARRIVED! :O"

You say that as if Russia is a match for NATO by itself.

It's not so much about "who will completely destroy the other", none of the NATO countries have any interest in getting themselves "bogged down in Russia", and Russia knows that NATO countries have much more to lose than Russia itself.
They have studied psychology, mass-psychology, and it is very obvious that todays westerners are very unwilling to fight for anything, and the military capacity of the West may not be as great as we believe.

For example, in the 1930s, Norwegian liberals travelled to Spain to fight and die for OTHER people! For "likeminded people", when the war in Finland begun in 39, Norwegians once again travelled to fight and die, this time for "brother-folk".
This kind of strong determination no longer exists, at least not in Norway, we have too much to lose, people be like "Who's gonna watch over my X-Box while I'm gone!? D:"
Russia knows this

It's not that they think it's gonna be easy, they just realize it's probably gonna be just easy enough to risk it.

Again, this isn't about all or nothing, so I'm not saying Russia would "pwn" NATO or anything, far from it, but this is not the first time the ruskis have seem themselves as technically ready to take on Europe (with the aim of focusing their force only on certain regions, be it Finland, the Baltics, etc)

[odeon]

That is kind of scary.

I think the USA should keep their noses out of it. It is not their business.

But if I were in Finland I would be wanting to join the EU.

Finland did join the EU, almost 20 years ago now.

I do think Finland should join NATO, too. Its proximity to Russia makes it a target, and while I don't share Zegh's views of the Finnish boys of today, the nation is just too small.

Also, I think that both Sweden and Finland should possess nuclear weapons. They should make it clear to anyone even thinking about invading that yes, the respective armies probably won't be able to put up a fight for long, but the invader should be prepared to lose its capital at the first sign of attack.

[odeon]

BTW, Zegh, while you may want to take what you call a pragmatic view and accept a "peaceful incorporation of Finland into Russia", I doubt the rest of the world would, and that includes Finland. There would be nothing peaceful about it. The same, I suspect, is true for the Baltics. Any such action would trigger WW3.

[Parts]

That is kind of scary.

I think the USA should keep their noses out of it. It is not their business.

But if I were in Finland I would be wanting to join the EU.

Finland did join the EU, almost 20 years ago now.

I do think Finland should join NATO, too. Its proximity to Russia makes it a target, and while I don't share Zegh's views of the Finnish boys of today, the nation is just too small.

Also, I think that both Sweden and Finland should possess nuclear weapons. They should make it clear to anyone even thinking about invading that yes, the respective armies probably won't be able to put up a fight for long, but the invader should be prepared to lose its capital at the first sign of attack.

Well a bit surprised hearing you say that,  what is the feelings of your fellow countrymen on that point?  Sweden could have easily had nukes if they hadn't shut their weapons program down in 72.

[ZEGH8578]

BTW, Zegh, while you may want to take what you call a pragmatic view and accept a "peaceful incorporation of Finland into Russia", I doubt the rest of the world would, and that includes Finland. There would be nothing peaceful about it. The same, I suspect, is true for the Baltics. Any such action would trigger WW3.

I meant that as a very cold and blunt way of saying "Rather Finland than all of Scandinavia/Europe", in no way was I saying that I would be fine with Russia incorporating Finland, and by "peaceful" I refered to the Russian "version of it", the same way Crimea was peaceful (as in no traditional warfare flaring up, due to intense intimidation).

It's like saying, I'd rather my neighbors be mugged, tied up, and killed by insane robbers - than me. But it doesn't mean I'll accept, be happy, or wish for it happening to my neighbors, I'm not a psychopath

I actually agree with you about nukes. When countries are under pressure, any means should be taken to alleviate the pressure, without causing more damage.