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Re: Nelson Mandela has died at the age of 95
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2013, 05:18:25 PM »
I'm sorry I have to be such a grouch on this, guys. I do think that Nelson accomplished quite a bit of good. I also think that he tortured people to death in public in his younger days. I do not like how the media is casting him as a person who is identical in his achievements to Ghandi. The media is flat out lying here in America, portraying him as a jesus or something. I mean the guy actually lit people on fire in public. That is not the quality of some sort of perfect human being.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing

(His wife actually made a statement about burning people. Something about making the world a better place one match at a time or something. Pretty sure the ANC publically denounced this crap. If i'm wrong on that, correct me.)

I don't like lies. Why not celebrate the man for being a human being who managed to accomplish some good things along with some scary things? I know we shouldn't all sit in the darkest corner of the room, wringing our hands and feeling guilty about the worst things we've ever done. I'm just saying, lets live in reality.
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Re: Nelson Mandela has died at the age of 95
« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2013, 05:20:23 PM »
He was black. Ergo the media pretends that he was a saint.

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Re: Nelson Mandela has died at the age of 95
« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2013, 07:10:04 PM »
I dislike the way people tend to 'big up' people once they are dead.  It happens a lot. 

but that is not what is going on here.

Mandela was a hero figure to lots of people while he was alive.  He didn't just win The Nobel Peace Prize - he had hundreds of honours.

The reason, i believe, for his global popularity comes from the fact that he was just a human being with flaws.  He made mistakes but he came good.  He did good. 

His early life was full of fuck ups.  He flunked a degree.  He was also a bit of a ladies man.  He put it about - a bit like JFK.  He was connected with communism and then Marxism and he would also be known as a socialist.  He was many things in his 95 years.

I think you must have got mixed up about the necklace thing.  Mandela was no thug.  He was a founder of the military wing of the ANC and he masterminded several sabotage attacks on government buildings.  Bombings.  They were all night time operations to avoid civilian casualties.  He was jailed for this in 1962 and he had no contact with anyone whom he could organise more activities.

It was Winnie Mandela who is linked to those necklace murders.  He learned she had become a leader of her own gang and about her violence while in prison.   However, he did not divorce her until she was found guilty in court.  He distanced himself from her, though and if you check on the dates of those murders you will see he was in prison anyway.

In prison he was a peaceful man.  He entered as the lowest rank and just before his release he was staying in the warders house.  Why? because he was well liked.  He helped a lot of the angry uprising youth that were jailed after him.   The rest is history.  Made possible by him.  No he wasn't a saint, or a mesiah, just a very ordinary man who accomplished some extraordinary stuff.

And he hugged the spice girls  :tard:

 
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Re: Nelson Mandela has died at the age of 95
« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2013, 08:51:01 PM »
He was black. Ergo the media pretends that he was a saint.

DO not know about him being a saint, but a man of conviction, you can not deny.

Peaceful thinkers often come with blood on their coats and swords.

The blood on his coat was often his own.  I say let him rest in peace. His sacrifices led to positive changes in an entire nation and some other possible beneficial outcomes across the globe, no matter his skin color.


... then we sit back and watch the revisionists re-write the history we actually lived through.












Besides, Tig, WTF are you on about with skin color again, Dude?    :dunno:
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Re: Nelson Mandela has died at the age of 95
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2013, 01:08:49 AM »
No, no, no, I just pointed out the fact that the media always treat minority people like they were saints, well except for people with a diagnosis that is.

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Re: Nelson Mandela has died at the age of 95
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2013, 04:18:14 AM »
One fact is true:  He would have been released sooner had it not been for the political pressure put forward by Thatcher and Regan.

Ha... I am so glad he outlived both of them and died in peace with the respect of many.  :thumbup:
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Re: Nelson Mandela has died at the age of 95
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2013, 05:12:19 AM »
One fact is true:  He would have been released sooner had it not been for the political pressure put forward by Thatcher and Regan.

Ha... I am so glad he outlived both of them and died in peace with the respect of many.  :thumbup:
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That's a perspective I had not seen yet.

The whole discussion about ANC being allowed to use violence or not, I remember it from the 80-ies. Massive discussions between ANC students from South Africa and students with a very idyllic idea of how to reach peace. Can't imagine any new things popping up.
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Re: Nelson Mandela has died at the age of 95
« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2013, 06:28:49 AM »
Thatcher famously 'did not negotiate with terrorists' which is why she failed at making any peace in Northern Ireland.   

She was either too up herself or not wise enough to see the bigger picture.

Ooooh don't get me started on Thatcher!  :zoinks:
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Re: Nelson Mandela has died at the age of 95
« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2013, 06:37:24 AM »
Thatcher famously 'did not negotiate with terrorists' which is why she failed at making any peace in Northern Ireland.   

She was either too up herself or not wise enough to see the bigger picture.

Ooooh don't get me started on Thatcher!  :zoinks:
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Wonder what Thatcher thought about internal dialogue. I guess she was dead against it.
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Re: Nelson Mandela has died at the age of 95
« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2013, 07:01:46 AM »
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I wonder about poor Dennis ? 

Was he told to be present on such a date and at such a time in order to produce 2 children

the mind boggles
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Re: Nelson Mandela has died at the age of 95
« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2013, 07:03:31 AM »
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I wonder about poor Dennis ? 

Was he told to be present on such a date and at such a time in order to produce 2 children

the mind boggles

For his sake, I hope it was test-tube impregnation. But who knows, maybe she was a tiger in bed.
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Re: Nelson Mandela has died at the age of 95
« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2013, 07:14:55 AM »
If she ever touched his private parts  :zombiefuck:  I bet she wore surgical gloves.

For that, he was probably grateful.  I bet she had cold hands.



It may be a surprise but I really really hated that woman.  Real hate.
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Re: Nelson Mandela has died at the age of 95
« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2013, 08:06:02 AM »
If she ever touched his private parts  :zombiefuck:  I bet she wore surgical gloves.

For that, he was probably grateful.  I bet she had cold hands.



It may be a surprise but I really really hated that woman.  Real hate.

I know,

I read "The Century's Daughter" by Pat Barker a while ago. It oozed Thatcher regime. Almost could smell it. Great book btw. I strongly recommend it.
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Re: Nelson Mandela has died at the age of 95
« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2013, 08:58:16 AM »
He was black. Ergo the media pretends that he was a saint.

DO not know about him being a saint, but a man of conviction, you can not deny.

Peaceful thinkers often come with blood on their coats and swords.

The blood on his coat was often his own.  I say let him rest in peace. His sacrifices led to positive changes in an entire nation and some other possible beneficial outcomes across the globe, no matter his skin color.


... then we sit back and watch the revisionists re-write the history we actually lived through.












Besides, Tig, WTF are you on about with skin color again, Dude?    :dunno:

Excactly. A 100% peaceful person may be able to bring about change in a fantasy world, but Mr. Mandela was definitely not spouting flowers and lambs. I'm tired of the lying media disillusioning the youth.

Again, I am not trying to say his achievements are invalid. I'm just saying telling the truth is better than lying.
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Re: Nelson Mandela has died at the age of 95
« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2013, 10:17:58 AM »
If she ever touched his private parts  :zombiefuck:  I bet she wore surgical gloves.

For that, he was probably grateful.  I bet she had cold hands.



It may be a surprise but I really really hated that woman.  Real hate.

I know,

I read "The Century's Daughter" by Pat Barker a while ago. It oozed Thatcher regime. Almost could smell it. Great book btw. I strongly recommend it.

Did it cover the Bobby Sands and the dirty protest?  also there was a woman who leaned into her car and said "you're a monster not a mother" while the TV camera's were filming.  Was any of that in the book?

And did it show a caring, maternal side that perhaps I missed? :zoinks:
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