One of the extremely unfortunate results of feminism.

[McGiver]

Sploosh

possum, I think one of the unfortunate side effects of feminism is free love.  And that has lead to an explosion of teen pregnancy.  What do you think?

I think it is time for proper sex-education in schools. All should learn never to have their hands under the covers in bed. To always shower with a bathingsuit on too.

and that gay love is just as legitimate as heterosexual sexual love.

['andersom']

Sploosh

possum, I think one of the unfortunate side effects of feminism is free love.  And that has lead to an explosion of teen pregnancy.  What do you think?

I think it is time for proper sex-education in schools. All should learn never to have their hands under the covers in bed. To always shower with a bathingsuit on too.

and that gay love is just as legitimate as heterosexual sexual love.

Indeed. And sex is only for those who are married and who pray before the deed, and praise afterwards.

['andersom']

I really do think sex-education should be informative, fun, and elaborate, in secondary schools. Kids need to know how they can have fun together. They need to know how they can communicate. They need to know how to prevent STD's and pregnancies. And they need to know there is nothing wrong with being straight, gay, bi, asexual.

If parents are not willing to educate their kids. Schools have to fill the gap. It will pay off. The more kids know, the less teen pregnancies.

[McGiver]

The day my oldest daughter go her first period we sat both girls own for a talk.
Let them know that teenage boys turn into animals and everybody gets curious about sex. If they get curious, talk to us first so we an get them on the pill or talk about other methods of birth control.

[DirtDawg]

Unfortunately the old tools have passed their manifesto on to the next generation which now includes males as well, even thought the mainstream feminist movement refuses to identify males as feminists. They have a separate term for male "feminists", likely because they hate men so much they can't bear to include them in any aspect of their ideology.

Pro-feminism

Main article: Pro-feminism

Pro-feminism is the support of feminism without implying that the supporter is a member of the feminist movement. The term is most often used in reference to men who are actively supportive of feminism. The activities of pro-feminist men's groups include anti-violence work with boys and young men in schools, offering sexual harassment workshops in workplaces, running community education campaigns, and counseling male perpetrators of violence. Pro-feminist men also are involved in men's health, activism against pornography including anti-pornography legislation, men's studies, and the development of gender equity curricula in schools. This work is sometimes in collaboration with feminists and women's services, such as domestic violence and rape crisis centers.[211][212]

You can't make this kind of shit up.

I am amazed at how much time you put into that last post.

There is so much there that I have not actually finished reading all of it, but I will, soon.


Is there an opposing perspective that we should know about?

I want to read that as well!

['andersom']

The day my oldest daughter go her first period we sat both girls own for a talk.
Let them know that teenage boys turn into animals and everybody gets curious about sex. If they get curious, talk to us first so we an get them on the pill or talk about other methods of birth control.

Indeed. I told mine it was probably wise to explore on her own what she liked first. Bit of confidence about your own body and longings does not harm at all.

[McGiver]

The day my oldest daughter go her first period we sat both girls own for a talk.
Let them know that teenage boys turn into animals and everybody gets curious about sex. If they get curious, talk to us first so we an get them on the pill or talk about other methods of birth control.

Indeed. I told mine it was probably wise to explore on her own what she liked first. Bit of confidence about your own body and longings does not harm at all.

right.  That part will leave up to wife.  I'm not going to tell my daughters about masturbation.

[RageBeoulve]

Unfortunately the old tools have passed their manifesto on to the next generation which now includes males as well, even thought the mainstream feminist movement refuses to identify males as feminists. They have a separate term for male "feminists", likely because they hate men so much they can't bear to include them in any aspect of their ideology.

Pro-feminism

Main article: Pro-feminism

Pro-feminism is the support of feminism without implying that the supporter is a member of the feminist movement. The term is most often used in reference to men who are actively supportive of feminism. The activities of pro-feminist men's groups include anti-violence work with boys and young men in schools, offering sexual harassment workshops in workplaces, running community education campaigns, and counseling male perpetrators of violence. Pro-feminist men also are involved in men's health, activism against pornography including anti-pornography legislation, men's studies, and the development of gender equity curricula in schools. This work is sometimes in collaboration with feminists and women's services, such as domestic violence and rape crisis centers.[211][212]

You can't make this kind of shit up.

I am amazed at how much time you put into that last post.

There is so much there that I have not actually finished reading all of it, but I will, soon.


Is there an opposing perspective that we should know about?

I want to read that as well!

This thread is filled with the opposing perspective. Despite everything I've presented supporting that modern feminism is harmful and even the polar opposite on an equality movement, people seem bewitched by the propaganda and word of mouth promising equality and safety for women.

Although Schleed and I disagree about the severity of the problem I rather like his idea of changing the name of feminism to a more inclusive term. I think that the actual word, "feminism" sends a subconscious message of female superiority to feminists which negatively impacts boys and men. Sometimes even homosexuals.

TL;dr- I think feminism is complete bullshit, and keeps none of its promises anymore.

[RageBeoulve]

That's exactly what I'm saying.  Based upon this biased example most divorced men should be facing jail.
I'm saying it doesn't make sense. And this is not commonplace.

ITs more common than you might think, and its trending. You're okay with that?

[RageBeoulve]

I'm with Schleed. Feminism is a wide terminology. It covers man hating groups, it covers women hating groups. Most of it is mainstream though. And, they do make a lot of sense. Not all of them. Really, feminists are just humans. But what I see in mainstream feminism is not only focusing on rights for women. Schleed has a point that by now mainstream feminism would be better off defining themselves as a gender movement. Because that is what the goal is, nowadays. They look at things from a gender perspective. And, then see that, the way things are, women, or men, can be at a disadvantage. And they want to address that. Mainstream feminism as I know it is not focused on rights of women only.

Radical feminism? Sure, there are idiots to be found. And prominent ones too. Just like there are idiots that make it to be prominent politicians. Politicians claiming pregnancies after rape prove the rape wasn't real rape and such. (Sorry, we had a politician like that in my country too, it jumped to mind)


And for things like childsupport being unfair, as Al pointed out. That is a bureaucratic system, probably once made to treat every man equal. After finding too many women without child-support. But, in creating this, the system became abusive in itself. By taking men as the target to get the money from. Is there no option of men taking care of the kids, and the women to pay alimony? And then by treating all men equal. Not all men are equal. There are men very willing to participate financially and physically in the upbringing of their kids. And there are men wanting to run away from that responsibility. Treating those two types of men equally is not fair. I see it as a bureaucratic failure.
Of course, a state collection system for alimony can be a good thing, if other options don't work. But, it should not be used by default.

Bureaucracy will make more failures, under the disguise of some freedom or right. A council not too far away from me wants to force single mothers who have not disclosed the name of the fathers to name them. Or they will lose part of their income. A plan to make this a default thing is going to be disastrous. It will help some men, who want to be part of the lives of their kids, but who are kept from their kids because of the whim of the mother. It happens. But, it will also put women and kids at risk, when the relationship was a very violent one. It is the default idea, complete with forced DNA testing they are thinking of, that makes it so dangerous. Tackling people by default ideas, telling it is good for the child, but in fact caring about money only, is not going to bring justice to anyone. This is not a feministic idea btw. It is a council, wanting to economise.

And Rage. Too many threads about how bad feminism is, and I just skip them. Only now and then, I decide to read one of them. And then I will probably react. But, may sigh and skip that option too.

Well that's alright. Its up to you whether or not you read my stuff, but i'm a square dealing guy and I hate lies. When I see lies and logical fallacies like this garner so much clout, I move against them soley on principle.

[Al Swearegen]

I stil say that Feminism is pro-women and is not inclusive nor working towards gender equality. Never was. Never will.

I think that "Feminists" (as in those that follow the Feminist principles and mindset) are pro-women and not gender inclusive.
I DO think there are people that are sensible and call themselves "Feminists". (For what it is worth, I very much am in support of people who are into gender equality as I am a believer of fair. If people are being decent and fair and supporting the things that matter they could call themselves Feminists, Vulcans, Neo Nazis, Marxists, or whatever, it would not matter their personal identification but rather the behaviours and opinions they vouch)
To me it is like a Sicilian community club calling themselves "La Casa Nostra". Sure maybe you could find some very base ideals and class specific things about the Club and the Mafia but the differences between the two is too big to serious entertain that they are the same. 

[McGiver]

That's exactly what I'm saying.  Based upon this biased example most divorced men should be facing jail.
I'm saying it doesn't make sense. And this is not commonplace.

ITs more common than you might think, and its trending. You're okay with that?

ok. I have your word. That's good..
Durrr!  It does not make sense.  There is no way this is commonplace.  And if I is, one must suspect there is more to this particular kind of story.

['andersom']

The day my oldest daughter go her first period we sat both girls own for a talk.
Let them know that teenage boys turn into animals and everybody gets curious about sex. If they get curious, talk to us first so we an get them on the pill or talk about other methods of birth control.

Indeed. I told mine it was probably wise to explore on her own what she liked first. Bit of confidence about your own body and longings does not harm at all.

right.  That part will leave up to wife.  I'm not going to tell my daughters about masturbation.

Oh, I did not explain the details. Kids are smart enough to find out that themselves. Like I told them that I would not be telling details of my bedroom life either. None of their business. And that goes both ways.

[Bastet]

The day my oldest daughter go her first period we sat both girls own for a talk.
Let them know that teenage boys turn into animals and everybody gets curious about sex. If they get curious, talk to us first so we an get them on the pill or talk about other methods of birth control.

Indeed. I told mine it was probably wise to explore on her own what she liked first. Bit of confidence about your own body and longings does not harm at all.

right.  That part will leave up to wife.  I'm not going to tell my daughters about masturbation.

Oh, I did not explain the details. Kids are smart enough to find out that themselves. Like I told them that I would not be telling details of my bedroom life either. None of their business. And that goes both ways.

My surrogate mom says her daughters weren't allowed to have sex until they knew how to give themselves orgasms.

['andersom']

Unfortunately the old tools have passed their manifesto on to the next generation which now includes males as well, even thought the mainstream feminist movement refuses to identify males as feminists. They have a separate term for male "feminists", likely because they hate men so much they can't bear to include them in any aspect of their ideology.

Pro-feminism

Main article: Pro-feminism

Pro-feminism is the support of feminism without implying that the supporter is a member of the feminist movement. The term is most often used in reference to men who are actively supportive of feminism. The activities of pro-feminist men's groups include anti-violence work with boys and young men in schools, offering sexual harassment workshops in workplaces, running community education campaigns, and counseling male perpetrators of violence. Pro-feminist men also are involved in men's health, activism against pornography including anti-pornography legislation, men's studies, and the development of gender equity curricula in schools. This work is sometimes in collaboration with feminists and women's services, such as domestic violence and rape crisis centers.[211][212]

You can't make this kind of shit up.

I am amazed at how much time you put into that last post.

There is so much there that I have not actually finished reading all of it, but I will, soon.


Is there an opposing perspective that we should know about?

I want to read that as well!

This thread is filled with the opposing perspective. Despite everything I've presented supporting that modern feminism is harmful and even the polar opposite on an equality movement, people seem bewitched by the propaganda and word of mouth promising equality and safety for women.

Although Schleed and I disagree about the severity of the problem I rather like his idea of changing the name of feminism to a more inclusive term. I think that the actual word, "feminism" sends a subconscious message of female superiority to feminists which negatively impacts boys and men. Sometimes even homosexuals.

TL;dr- I think feminism is complete bullshit, and keeps none of its promises anymore.

You see it, I don't. Could be a cultural thing. Everything does seem to be bigger in the USA. And the Dutch are poldermodelling all the time. And your word, vs what I see is not going to make me change what I see.

I will not agree with the extremists, when I find them on my path in life.