Animal testing

[TheoK]

I know that

I mean instead

Wouldn't come in question today except for in countries like North Korea.

[Callaway]

I know that

I mean instead

If we had relied on strictly human testing of new medications instead of also allowing animal testing, we wouldn't have drugs like insulin now and people like Eris would have died within a few years of becoming a diabetic.

I remember reading that insulin was discovered by someone named Banting because of dogs and it was tested on dogs first.  I like dogs but many diabetic dogs and cats are alive because of insulin, in addition to many diabetic people.

[midlifeaspie]

I know that

I mean instead

Wouldn't come in question today except for in countries like North Korea.

The last group of people who performed wide-scale medical testing on people instead of animals were the Nazis. 

[bodie]

 
signed the petition
am dead against using animals to test on cosmetics and
luxury items.


Not sure about the life saving drugs.  In theory i agree a far
more suitable  ginnea pig sits in segregated nonce cells in our prisons.

But then, as Semicolon points out,  they still have rights, and how
would you feel to discover a miscarriage of justice and maybe some
one innocent died horribly?

saying that, no matter  how logical it is and no matter how
beneficial to humans and medicine
i just can't bring myself to fully 'ok' it... it just doesn't seem
right to do that shit to an innocent animal.  I think we fuck about
with nature too much anyway so i am inclined to say  'leave the
fucking animals alone'

I know it's a pathetic answer,  and a bit too 'on the fence' but i
am afraid that is just how i feel about it

[bodie]

I know that

I mean instead

If we had relied on strictly human testing of new medications instead of also allowing animal testing, we wouldn't have drugs like insulin now and people like Eris would have died within a few years of becoming a diabetic.

I remember reading that insulin was discovered by someone named Banting because of dogs and it was tested on dogs first.  I like dogs but many diabetic dogs and cats are alive because of insulin, in addition to many diabetic people.

That is a good point

I know that

I mean instead

Wouldn't come in question today except for in countries like North Korea.

The last group of people who performed wide-scale medical testing on people instead of animals were the Nazis. 

and that too.  I agree with both of you,  but i just can't file it off in my damn brain as ok

[TheoK]

I know that

I mean instead

Wouldn't come in question today except for in countries like North Korea.

The last group of people who performed wide-scale medical testing on people instead of animals were the Nazis. 

I know 

[Adam]

Difference with the Nazis though is I'm talkign about volunteers

Well I did say child abusers as well, but that wasn't really 100% serious. It kind of was, but I know it would never work as there will always be a minority of cases where they were actually innocent. As for rights though, what about the death penalty? If you're going to kill them anyway then why not test a few thigns on them as well? It doesn't have to harm them if you do it while they're unconscious

[Semicolon]

Difference with the Nazis though is I'm talkign about volunteers

Well I did say child abusers as well, but that wasn't really 100% serious. It kind of was, but I know it would never work as there will always be a minority of cases where they were actually innocent. As for rights though, what about the death penalty? If you're going to kill them anyway then why not test a few thigns on them as well? It doesn't have to harm them if you do it while they're unconscious

I've heard that this does happen with volunteers. However, there is always the chance that a prisoner will receive a stay of execution at the last minute. Prisoners have a right to due process.

[Adam]

hadn't thought of that

[bodie]

My vet always says to me never give your dog human meds and vice versa.  Also some drugs you can give to cats but not to dogs etc.
If this is the case i don't understand why we test human meds on animals???

We are genetically very different from say a rat, so how is judging the rats response going to help?

Am i being thick here?  it doesn't make sense

[Al Swearegen]

My vet always says to me never give your dog human meds and vice versa.  Also some drugs you can give to cats but not to dogs etc.
If this is the case i don't understand why we test human meds on animals???

We are genetically very different from say a rat, so how is judging the rats response going to help?

Am i being thick here?  it doesn't make sense

I dunno? For the lulz?




(I did not just think that. Is this the forum I can blame it on Semicolon )

["couldbecousin"]

My vet always says to me never give your dog human meds and vice versa.  Also some drugs you can give to cats but not to dogs etc.
If this is the case i don't understand why we test human meds on animals???

We are genetically very different from say a rat, so how is judging the rats response going to help?

Am i being thick here?  it doesn't make sense

I dunno? For the lulz?




(I did not just think that. Is this the forum I can blame it on Semicolon )

 No, that would be My Way or the Highway. 

[Al Swearegen]

My vet always says to me never give your dog human meds and vice versa.  Also some drugs you can give to cats but not to dogs etc.
If this is the case i don't understand why we test human meds on animals???

We are genetically very different from say a rat, so how is judging the rats response going to help?

Am i being thick here?  it doesn't make sense

I dunno? For the lulz?




(I did not just think that. Is this the forum I can blame it on Semicolon )

 No, that would be My Way or the Highway. 

Oooppppsss 

[eris]

I think that humans should test on animals for the benefit of medicinal science, and only for that one reason. I do not agree with cosmetic or agricultural testing.

Callaway is right. I would be dead without it and so would millions of people. We wouldn't have the scientific breakthroughs in medicine without animal testing.

['andersom']

Difference with the Nazis though is I'm talkign about volunteers

Well I did say child abusers as well, but that wasn't really 100% serious. It kind of was, but I know it would never work as there will always be a minority of cases where they were actually innocent. As for rights though, what about the death penalty? If you're going to kill them anyway then why not test a few thigns on them as well? It doesn't have to harm them if you do it while they're unconscious

I've heard that this does happen with volunteers. However, there is always the chance that a prisoner will receive a stay of execution at the last minute. Prisoners have a right to due process.

Last stage of testing is done on humans.

A friend of mine did that to make money. Another friend of mine worked freelance at a company who did testing like that, not as a testee. She told me that if I ever needed money, she'd rather give me a grand than see me go into that testing. This final testing is where the differences between reaction of animal and human on the meds become clear.

Animal testing. I dislike it. I disapprove fully when it is about cosmetics, and most cosmetics in the cheaper range are without animal testing by now.
For medicines? I'm not liking it. But, would not know alternatives. The invention of insulin is a great good indeed.

Is it true what I heard, that progress in AIDS research is also being used to understand FelineAids better?

What MLA told about pet food is just too weird. Guess that that is what happens when you want the absolute best for your pet.  We do live in the world wanting perfection and seem to barely have moral limits to get there.





So, and lets discuss bio-industry now too. A whole bunch of animals could benefit if people were prepared to pay more for their meat. Animals could have more space and more of a life, and they would taste a lot better because of that, if people were prepared to pay for it.